Bachelor Happy Hour - Nick Viall, Rachel’s Favorite Ex, Stops By

Episode Date: October 30, 2019

Krystal Nielson is back as Rachel’s guest co-host for the day. Plus, former Bachelor and Rachel’s favorite ex-boyfriend, Nick Viall, joins the ladies. Nick talks about the “civil war” he believes is brewing in the franchise, his thoughts on the newest Bachelor, Peter, and his one issue with “The Bachelor” alum Raven.Be sure to rate and subscribe so you never miss an episode.See omny.fm/listener for privacy information.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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We probably should have started recording before we actually started. But Crystal is with me again as a co-host. Hey guys, what's up? Love having you here, Crystal. Thanks, girl, love being here. And it's great because Crystal's here, but also because we've got none other. in the hot seat, then I don't know if I should call him an OG. I don't know if I should call him my favorite ex.

Am I giving hints? Do we know who it is at this point? I think we get. It is Nick Vile. Nick, welcome. Not Dean, your favorite ex. No, Dean's not my favorite ex. I've been recently told that Dean unfollowed me.

I guess I was a little too hard. Dean followed you? I don't pay attention to that kind of stuff. It's just been brought to my attention. Wait, why is Nick your favorite ex? Everyone, why you hate everyone? That's what they say, isn't it? That's what they say.

What do they say? But I want to know, why is Nick your favorite ex? Nick, Nick and I just had, that's a great question. Nick and I have this mutual respect for one another. That's true. I think from the beginning, we hit it off and we knew we would be friends. We knew probably that it wasn't going to be forever. We weren't going to get married.

Well, it snoozed to me. I didn't know if shit. Well. Surprise. I'm kidding. But we, from the moment I met Nick, I knew that we were. we're going to be really cool. And we've maintained a level of respect and friendship since we've been off the show,

which I don't think a lot of people, like I've been on next season. I don't think a lot of people say that about someone they've been on a season with. You know why? And to get more specific is that we are like minds in that way, is that Rachel and I are opinionated. We give our thoughts. I don't think, and I think a lot of people do in this world, and especially in Bachelor Nation, is that people equate criticism and giving an opinion. is whether you like me or don't like me.

And yeah, so. We're just getting it. Somebody turn Nick's mic up. So, yeah. I mean, I think Rachel respects thoughts and opinions. She's willing to give hers. I don't think Rachel is easily offended of someone that criticizes her.

And I think sometimes people make the mistake of when people share opinions to be offended and then be like, oh, my God, I don't like this person because they have an opinion. And I think we appreciate that about each other. And I think, Crystal, you're kind of like that, too, because you got a lot of criticism when you are on R.A. season. And that has not held you back by any means. Like, you just keep rolling with it. I think what you realize is that when you are in the public eye, there's opportunity for a lot of voice people to hear you and for you to have a voice.

And I remember getting this piece of advice when I was 24 years old and they go. well if people are hating at least they know who you are like you're doing something right and people don't booing nobody's you are doing something right and i remember hearing that i was like you know what you're right it's because i'm like busting my ass because i'm like i'm pushing forward because i'm ambitious and because i have something to say and if people want to hear they can hear and if people want to chirp then at least they're listening to what i'm saying can you say that in the voice that you used on our season just really quickly it's so hard for me to go back there just for all time's Like, let me go coach like 12,000 hours.

I mean, like, if you, if you're a little more sexy. Show up how it's done, Crystal. Oh my God. I don't even know if I could. Hi. That's very soft. She's back. You guys.

I love how everyone pretends. They don't listen to all these Bachelor podcasts, and they all listen to Bachelor podcast. And then they start talking shit. God, someone so doesn't like me. And the truth is, everyone just wants to be liked by everyone else. They do. They do. They totally do.

All you have to do is compliment someone and those people like, oh, my God, I love them. But if they like, they're like, well, I didn't like her hair in that episode. Be like that bitch, you know. Well, it's so true. I love my peers. I've even talked with some of the cast on this past season, on Colton season of The Bachelor. And it's, you know, I was talking with like, Kailin and Cassie recently. And we were just like, you know, like, when you are on a show.

show. Granted it is a reality TV show and granted it is who you are. That is your persona to, in essence, right? You are a character and people have opinions about that and you need to find where you can separate yourself and not take it so personally. And honestly, that's really how

I was able to come out of The Bachelor and have such success in Paradise because I saw it like okay, like where, if there's a lot of opinions about the same thing, clearly I should look at that and listen to that constructive of criticism and apply it and grow.

But, you know, it's when you're in the public eye, like, you just have to be open and know that people are going to be, have opinions about every single thing. That's not really just the public eye. I mean, now social media, we all have access to people's opinions who we shouldn't have. But I would say that social media is the public eye. See, that I don't think so. But like my mom has 300 followers. You know, actually, my mom has more than 300 followers.

And that's 300 people's opinions that she has no business hearing. But I think that that's what. what the problem is is that people think that the world is just social media and people start valuing their worth and likes and follows. And for some people, it's detrimental. For some people, it gives them a big head. But that's not necessarily the public opinion because it depends who's following you. It depends who's liking your stuff. And I think that that's the problem in a lot of it is that people value their worth based on social media. Well, and I think it goes even deeper than that I think one of the biggest needs that people experience is feeling worthy and that's

from other people's opinions of them and people feeling validated based on what people say and basing their self-worth on the opinions of others and I know I'm sure having all of us gone through this process of being on TV some more than others but uh Nick but I mean I mean really when you come out of it you're just like you need to you know be true to your own flag and wave that high and be proud of it. No, I agree with you. So before we get into the meet, even though we really already started, we're already there. Let's jump to segment three. I feel like there's a civil war brewing amongst Bachelor Nation cast. You got like, I just feel like, here's the thing. Is it the civil war? Because I know which side I'm on. Here's a thing. Here's a thing. Here's a thing.

The North? And it's all social media's fault. Like, you're like in the middle of it when I, like on Caitlin's season, it was kind of the beginning of them in social media heightened and then Jojo season. And now it like we're full blown to social media. And then it's also gotten younger. And then there's like, yeah, all the people, like the Jojo's and Caitlin's and Tanner and Jade and me. And like you're kind of in that. And then you have like, it's like Hannah and Colton started this new wave of cast members.

And there's just constantly. like it's high school and it's like the sharks and the jets just like it's an old g reference from uh the west side story and everyone's just like everyone's pretending to be friends everyone's just going after the same fat fit fun deals and and everyone's just like jocking for position and everyone's just kind of talking shit it's kind of fun and there's just going to be this big rivalry it's like it's like the marvel civil war movie like everyone's kind of friends like ray all kind of like each other i wish you guys can see nick right now he's moving around like he's a puppeteer.

Like, oh. So that was what I was going to ask you, because it does seem like things are changing in the Bouser franchise. Some may say for good, and some may say for bad. And you seem to thoroughly enjoy the way things are moving. And you also are... I just adapted the times. Well, I was going to ask

you that, you also are, I guess, from a different time, but at the same time you seem to relate to or be friendly with the newer cast of Bounser people. I'm not again, I like to adapt. I mean, again, as we're talking about four or five years

and I kind of a joke, but like, again, like I use that Marvel Civil War movie, Captain America movie, because like we are all friends. We all have common experiences, but there is, I quite bachelor, it's very high schoolish, and it can get really petty and things like that. And we all have been guilty of at times maybe being petty and kind of responding to our own securities of criticism,

et cetera, et cetera. And yeah, and so it is kind of like that. Some fan did that, like, equated us to all Marvel character. It was kind of fun, which would be kind of thinking of that. I mean, I was Iron Man. Who was I? I don't know. I didn't make the cut.

I don't know. He didn't make it. Yeah, where do you see yourself? You know, I'm slightly senior and snarky, and I think cereally. And Ben was Captain America. You were, I don't know, who are you? Who could you? Phoenix.

Dark Phoenix. Is that her name? Well, she's an X-Men. She's her in Marvel World, but not. Oh, she had the white-haired. and the lightning. I don't want to beat that. Storm. I'd want to be that person. So, Nick, where do you see yourself in this civil war that you speak of? But being someone who's been in half a decade with a bachelor franchise and now you're seeing this wave of social media

and seeing the power of influencers now. And we look at how young the contestants are getting and the rise of the influencers. Yeah, you guys need to, I'm going to have a producer sitting in this room and I know it's not necessarily her call or her fault, but you guys need to step it up of the age a little bit. It's going to a little young. But I like it. I mean, listen, I, I, I, I think it was, I think it was good that they did that. I think it was interesting. It makes it for great TV. I think they should skew a little bit older in the next few seasons. I think if they stay this young, I think it loses a little bit of credibility. I don't think it's an accident that you haven't had engagements the past two seasons.

I think it's harder to relate to people. I mean, society in general is getting, millennials are getting married married later in life relative to previous generations and then you have the show where you're getting younger and younger and then you're having people like getting engaged and married

and so that doesn't necessarily chive. So I think it's fun to watch. So do you think the last two seasons have hurt the franchise? No, I think it's helped the franchise. I think it's really good. I think they were incredible seasons. I just think if you keep doing that,

it will lose a little bit of it. I think because a little bit of it because I think the reason why the show has been successful for so long is because of love. And I think love wins and so to speak. And it's like people's one of belief in the traditional things about dating and love and engagement.

And I think you need that to keep the show going. And then, but this past year season has been really, they're great seasons. They're entertaining. They've been a lot of fun. They've been entertaining. I'd like to see them to get a little bit older. A little older. So what do you think makes a good lead in a bachelor or a bachelorette?

I think two very different seasons. I think it's very different. What makes a good bachelorette? I think a good bachelorette is very like which Rachel and Hannah and someone who can speak up and we love our bachelets very differently than we love our bachelors. Yes. Imagine if, like, why did we love Hannah, right? Because she would stand up for herself and she would speak back and she would call these guys for some of the bullshit they did. And if a bachelor did that, he would be an asshole.

Right. You can't do that. You can't be like, what the fuck are you guys doing? Like, this is bullshit. Like, why are you, you know, like, it's different. What was I when I spoke out? Well, I thought you were great. I think Hannah deserved the praise that she got.

I think sometimes you were criticized for doing the same thing. Thank you. And if I were to, and you asked me a question earlier about, like, being friends with the newer generations. Yeah. I don't, I think there's a lot of great people that they've cast in the new. I always love authenticity. My favorite people on the franchise are the people who I, in person, and when watching on TV, I feel like that's just who they are.

They're not, I want to be liked. I like being liked better than I liked being criticized as on the show. But you can just tell who's kind of full of shit. And you can kind of tell who people pretend to be a certain person. Who, you know, and it's like when, you know, I won't. When I had you in my podcast And we were talking about Fantasy Suites And I kind of mentioned that Raven

Might have totally talked shit about Vanessa For like a good 30 minutes in Fantasy Suite And then Raven chimed in on my Instagram And was like, oh my God I would never talk shit about someone And I'm like, all right, time out First of all, I thought that was great about you I quite like Raven

It's not about me criticizing Raven Because I don't like her I think she's great I think she's great in person I think sometimes the character She portrays herself to be on the TV show and on Instagram is totally full of shit

and lying and bullshit and I think she talks shit about people all the time and I think that's totally fine but I don't like how sometimes people pretend and not be a certain way I don't like pretending either

and I know and yes we did talk about that and I know you wanted to have her on the podcast and I actually encourage you I was like have her on have a discussion so you guys can hash it out because what I'm not a fan

of hashing things out in the comment section of a social media post I believe that you should have conversations about it well yeah face to face because things can be just so misconstrued via emojis and words.

That too, I just think, again, back to, you know, I think especially in this world, even fans, like I can say what I just said about Raven, right? And a lot of people, even Raven might listen to be like, oh my God, Nick hates me or why you mean to Raven, again, I think Raven's great. I quite liked her for the person I got to know, and that person was someone who was snarky and intelligent and had a bit of a dark side to her, and, you know, she could be manipulative and all those things and the whole picture of Raven

that was charming, you know, but the Ravens sometimes people got to see I don't think is Raven and, you know, don't go on my Instagram page and claim to be that person. What do you think about... I'm just trying to rile up, Rachel.

This is good, good luck. I just want to take a moment for the listeners to just feel the energy in this room right now. I'm just trying to get Raven and be like, tell us all what happened.

We want to know. We're all dying to know. They're at the top of the list. of wanting to know what's up. 100%. No, I know. I know. I don't know hiding it. Most people do.

I guess I want to ask you about there seems to be, and you said, you titled it this civil war that's brewing, and it just seems to keep going. And there just seems to be so much more drama than usual that's happening outside of the show than is happening on the show. Do you think that that's purposeful that people are trying to do it to, quote, unquote, stay relevant? do you think that it's real beef? Like, what's your take of it?

I don't think it's... Like, is it fluffy? It's insipid to me. I don't think it's real beef at all. Again, I think truly everyone just wants to be liked. I think it all comes from a place to insecurity. And I don't know if it's an attempt at relevancy, but I think it's a lot of people are diving into a world

that they don't understand. And I think for like me and the ashy eye and Caitlin's and you a little bit of the world, because you're kind of in between. we got to learn on the fly in terms of like having this opportunity to be on this show and having social media come out and they're like trying to figure out what is this opportunity that we have in front of us and then a lot of people made mistakes in terms of thinking they were too good for it or too popular or too great or they were above certain things and those people always kind

of burn out and then now you have this again we talked about it when you're on my show about this playbook yeah of like you know what is this like you go on this show now and everyone like listen the truth is everyone who goes on the show now is kind of full of shit you know you think okay listen they do like and in fairness to them in what way though because everyone who goes on the show knows that if you are top four top six you're going to have a following and like when i went on the show it's so funny now is that like seven years ago this whole notion when the show would be like are you here for the right reasons are you here for the right reasons are you here for right reasons truth is everyone

kind of was and they were all there because they got a call and it was like their family was like this would be a neat experience and you're like well I guess I'll just go and I'll see what happens and you didn't really know much more than that right and now you go and it's just like well if I go I'm going to have all these followers I'm going to be able to do all this and like you see some of us actually doing something with this opportunity and they try to replicate that and it's really hard to be not just disingenuous okay so we got a season this taping right now you got a bachelor season Peter our new bachelor I'm a huge fan of Peter

How do you feel about Peter? I like Peter I actually ran into Peter I like Peter a lot too I ran into Peter right before he was about to go into hiding and start filming the show and I told him listen

it is nothing against you and I explained to him why I was such a proponent for Mike and I really have no problems I actually think Peter is going to be good for the franchise I think Peter will fall in love I think Peter will get engaged he seems like such a lover

he wears his heart on his sleeve and we need that type of bachelor right now. So maybe Peter can give something that Mike couldn't give. Who knows? What do you think Mike couldn't give? No, I don't know. I mean, I wanted Mike. I'm just saying, I wasn't in the decision room to pick Peter,

so I'm saying maybe that's why he was chosen. When I was watching Paradise, because as we know, like, Nick, when you became The Bachelor, it was your time on Paradise that got you that opportunity, you know, for us to see a different side of you. And I think for Mike, I think there was an opportunity for him. And that was when Hannah came down to the beach of paradise. And there was, just like we saw it with Colton and Becca, season five when I was there.

Oh, gosh. I had this huge reaction to Becca coming down. And it was a whole episode. And I think that Mike had an opportunity to show a different side of him. Coffron. With, yeah, Becca Cufferin. Mike had an opportunity. Mike met Becca Coofer.

No, I'm talking about season five. Colton was down in Paradise with Tia and Becca Coofran came down. and it evoked like he saw a ghost and was heartbroken all the past feelings. I don't buy that for a second. That was like an acting. Well, whether you feel it was true or not. I know firsthand that Colton wasn't into that back on. Let me tell you how it played out on TV.

All right. He became The Bachelor. That is now why I began the Bachelor. I'm just, I'm saying there was, well, there's a lot of multi-dimensional, you know, opportunities that Colton brought to the table. Well, and I think I think, I think, I think, absolutely. But I think that Mike had an opportunity and we didn't see a lot of, of that, that we didn't see a lot of that side of him.

I heard, I heard you and Chris, I heard you and Chris say that before on an interview that Mike should have had a better reaction when Hannah came down. And the comparison was to Colton. Well, the reason I didn't agree with that is because I share the same sentiment as Nick that I did not believe that reaction because when Tia went home, there was not, I, like, I didn't see a tear shed. I mean, it was just, it was just very, seemed to be very, um, performance. you know for it just it just didn't seem genuine with Mike it's like okay maybe you didn't get what you wanted but maybe that was his actual genuine reaction when it came to Hannah he had moved on I don't think you needed to see tears for him to be a good bachelor that was just an opportunity where

there could have been a reaction but I think ultimately what it was was Mike and I say it in the essence of we only really saw a happy side of him we didn't really get to see some deeper some deeper layers so there's a playbook absolutely and there's a bachelor I a good bachelor, you just can't be happy and optimistic all the time. And even friends that are like that, you're just like, come on, just have like, have a bad day. Like, show me a different side of you. Show me like a deep, dark side of you. I, you know, I didn't see that with me though. You didn't see me have a dark side on, I said you didn't see it. I wasn't about to say that. I think, I think typically they don't want their, it's interesting enough,

I don't think you want your bachelor to have a dark side. You want your bachelor to be Captain America. I think I was an outlier in that regard. I do think, I think, think you want your bachelorette to have to be saved but also have that kind of defiant attitude a little bit i do i mean i think again you were unfairly judged i don't think before i don't think jojo had a defiant attitude jojo's a little yeah i don't i don't show her strengths at time but like katelyn and andy and all like but but i mean defiance is different they're like i don't need a man sure but i'm just saying i'm just saying typically you want your bachelor to be just grateful and humbled

to be there in Captain America. You're right. And the women are supposed to be in a position even though they're the lead of the show, they are set up in a position to be safe. Sure, but also they want to be able to show strength. Yeah. I think it's moving towards that.

Let me look at your past Bat Shrette's. How many of them were just demure and just kind of grateful to be there? No, yeah. I mean, they may not be as strong as you, Rachel, but like, it's like, She's like, no comment over here. Listen, you weren't appreciated the way that you should be.

And I would have some baggage, too. I have my own baggage. I have my own baggage. I want to ask you, Nick, do you have any regrets from your experience in time with The Bachelor franchise? No, overall. I mean, my biggest regret, and I kind of joke, but also playful, is that when it came on the show, I'm a team player. It is a TV show. I want a good TV show.

I wanted to find love. That was my most important thing. When I was asked to be The Bachelor, I was the only thing I cared about were the women in terms of when I was talking to the producers. Like, I just want to, I want this to work. I really, I didn't care about the money or whatever. I wanted to meet someone.

And I was also like a team player. Like the Korean Bouncy Castle House, I wish I would have lived that. I really hated that moment. And I was mad. And I was, I was, and I reluctantly went along with it. And I just kind of did it. And I just think that made me look kind of

douchey and kind of... I don't think so. That was like the whipped cream with Corinne. I just was like, I just kind of went along with all that because I don't want to make her feel like, you know. And I just, again, keep in mind, I was the guy who was like, you know, Liz comes out of a limo, like, we had sex, you know, on Andy. I was too much about sex was attached to me.

And, you know, like, of course is Nick is going to whip liquid cream, you know, Nick's bouncing a bouncy castle with the child of the cast. It's just like, I just don't think that did me any favors. I thought that that reflected more on... on her than it did on you, to be honest with you. I would agree. I really, I mean, I'm sure you got some criticism, and you probably see more of what you got than Crystal and I saw. But just to be honest, I really didn't think that that reflected on you. Yeah, I agree. Keep in mind, I mean, that's not a, I don't have a lot of overall regrets, but if I were to pick one, that would be it.

But I do think the Bachelor and the Bachelor, Bachelorette and the Bachelor, both similarly, are always judged for their perceived choices of what they bring along. Yes. And that's sometimes, you know, sometimes we take a bullet. I actually think that's the one criticism that I did not get. I don't think I got a lot of flack about who I brought along. I think people understood. Until the end. I'm saying my ultimate decision, yes.

But as far as like, why is this person still here? That's the one thing that I don't think people really put on me. But I do want to ask you something you said about the new cast members coming on and how people kind of know there's this playbook and you make it to a, you know, top four or whatever, you're going to have a certain following. Even really before that, you're going to have a following. So when it comes to Peter's girls, first of all, do you...

I'm Peter. I feel sorry for Peter. Do you look at spoilers? I don't. I have no idea what's going on. Okay, see, I don't like to look at that kind of stuff either. It's almost inevitable these days. But have you, Rachel. No, no.

I truly have it. Unfortunately, because of who you follow, certain things pop up, so I know certain things, but I don't know who's left. I don't know how far and I really try to not to pay attention to that. To your point, by the time it's like by the time the finale airs,

it's impossible for some of us not to like find out or be spoiled. Yeah. Yeah. But I have no idea what's going on. So why do you feel sorry? I feel sorry for Peter. Why? I think it, I think,

I feel sorry for every lead going forward because of the perceived playbook because every lead and they make this part of the show too. Like are you guys here for the right reasons? I think, again, now more than ever, that question is more valid. I think now more than ever, especially, Peter's what, 26, 27? He's 28? 28. He's 28.

And he has a career. I don't know how old these women are, but the younger they are, the more, like, I would be like, of course you're not ready. You know, like, you're 22. I would want some more Instagram followers and a bunch of teeth waiting ads, too. Okay, but to play devil's advocate, can somebody come on and say, you know what? like I'm just I'm just trying to escape I'm just trying to you know grow my social media presence but then

they start dating Peter and they're like you know what I actually like you mean like Jed? That's exactly what happened with Jed. I think it could totally work. I know Jed always was coming just for music. I can totally work I'm just saying for Peter I feel sorry for him because it's impossible and I'm not saying Peter could easily fall in love Peter easily can be an amazing woman and it could be the most

successful batch I'm not saying but if I'm Peter that fear is more valid to have. It's actually real. It's actually like, you know, it's like, man, you guys really are full of shit. So do you have any advice for Peter? I mean, I don't know. Ron? Yeah, I mean, it all depends.

He's filming now. I don't know, like, I haven't really studied the women on a season yet or like their bios or things like that. I hope for Peter. Sure. A woman he's really into was cast. Really into him back. Is really into them back?

And that's the hope because it is a crapshoot. And the advice for Peter is, you know, like hopefully you're lucky enough to meet her and protect that relationship. Is Peter too much like Ben Higgins? No. I think that's the perception. Please explain. I think it's inaccurate. I bet.

I bet Peter's more like me. Oh, two, too. No, I just mean like, again, it won't be showed that way. And Peter had more of a Ben Higgins edit. And I don't know Peter. I spent a little time with Peter But listen, you know he fucks in windmills Here's the thing

I've said this, it was on our dear friends The Toasters, their bachelor recap Is that on my season Liz showed up And Liz showed up and everyone And listen, the producers obviously knew That I had sex with Liz At Jaden Tanner's wedding

And no other season Would they have brought Liz on Especially, I mean they've certainly not Ben Higgins season I mean, Ben Higgins, it's like, this is our, we found Captain America. Right. By the way, Ben's Captain America in the Marvel Civil War. And so, like, listen, we all assumed that Ben wasn't a virgin because he didn't proclaim he was.

But, like, we don't talk about it, you know? So it's like every season, you know, how many seasons we had and no one has sex, right? You don't talk about it. And so, like, the idea is, Ben didn't fuck, you know, kind of thing. And so on my season, everyone knew I. sex. Everyone knew like the handy thing. Obviously the whole Kate and you were the sexual bachelor, you know, and it was just because it was not. It was just talked about that I had sex, right? So when Liz, we didn't have sex in the fantasies. We did not. Um, and so everyone knew I had sex. So when, when the producers have this opportunity to have someone, clearly a compelling storyline, but like ultimately the producers want the bachelor, the bachelorette to look overall good, right? So they're going to think about this. And with me, it's a couple of compelling storyline. But like, ultimately the producers want the bachelor, the bachelorette to look overall good, right? Right. So they're going to think about this. And with me, it's, it's Simple as it is done as as everyone knew I fucked.

So when Liz shows up and says, oh yeah, I hooked up a nick at a wedding, no one cared. Bachelor nation didn't care. No one really, it was like interesting but no one judged me for it. No one's like, oh my God. No.

Had Ben hooked up with a girl at a wedding and showed up, everyone would be like, wait, what, Ben? Oh my God, I thought Ben, he's not Captain America. And they, you know what I'm saying? Like, we know Pete fucks. He fucks four times in a windmill.

And what I'm saying is if there's an opportunity for the producers to, the producers to, like, talk about that, it'll come up. And I hope it does. Because I think Peter is someone who has condoms in his car. And he's like, Peter, and think it's a little thing, but Peter didn't go out of his way to make sure he didn't have a condom in his car. And, like, he was, I've heard from multiple people that Peter has swag and that he's charming. And they're like, you know, he's like, there's a reason why Peter was the guy who had sex with Hannah in a windmill. Because he's like, you get him in a closed room. He's just like, he's going to throw it down.

Well, it's not that he had sex. I remember seeing him throw Hannah down on that pool table, and I was like, he knows what he's doing. He knows what he's doing. And I think to that regard, I don't think Peter's as safe as you think he is. I love Ben. Ben's not a big risk taker, especially on camera. He's very, you know. Let me get into this because you said, I said, do you think Peter is like Ben Higgins?

And you said that as the perception. So a lot of times we've seen this. And we've actually had people come on this podcast and say, man, I've met the lead outside. of the show, and they're totally different. Like, they're trying to play into this role. Do you feel like that's what Peter's going to do? That's a good question. That I don't know.

Because as a Bachelor, and I hear this more about Bachelors than I do about Bachelettes, do you feel like a lot of times Leeds try to be somebody that they think they're supposed to be rather than just being themselves. 100%. I think who doesn't do that when you're on TV especially in that public eye? 100% did not. I don't think Rachel did. I don't think I'm a bitch.

I will say this about Ben. I think Ben is that person. Ben is a genuine... That is who Ben is in person. Yeah, I've been around him. He is. And I think that's why Ben was great because it was authentic.

I like Colton. Do I think he played into what he thought he should say often? Yes. Doesn't mean I don't like Colton? I think Colin Ellis is a very nice guy, but he is definitely more thoughtful in that regard.

But yes, I do think I think the bachelors are more guilty of that than the women. And I think part of it is

because I think the bachelets have a little bit more freedom. Every bachelor is worried about being a dick. Okay.

I mean, that's fair. I mean, they just are. It's just like, I don't want to be a dick. I don't want them to think of a dick

to the women, you know, and like, I don't want to be a dick. And like, the bachelets can kind of be dicks and everyone kind of loves them

for it. You're right. We can, yes, that is very true And so there is a little bit of that Well I'm excited to see What's going to happen with Peter

I feel like he's going to really I think initially he might want to be a little softer And I think that Over the show and with the process I think he's going to open up And I'm just going to say I'm anticipating a lot of win mill jokes on night one Sure

God I hope not And I've said this before If I'm one of the girls that makes it to the fantasy suite And he does not fuck me at least five times I'm going to be upset I mean, it's become such a storyline. I'm going to be like, one, okay, two, go re-up. But there's got to be so much pressure with him now that he's like, I mean, with now these

expectations, these high expectations, I wonder if with social media, with the influencer, with all the opportunities which make you critical of, hey, are you here for the right reasons? Is the lead here for the right reasons? With that comes all these high, this high pressure of performing. I mean, again, I was a sexual bachelor. So like going in, I knew I was only going to sleep with Vanessa. everyone kind of knows that. And I remember, like, my first reaction to Rachel and Raven when I kind of was like,

I'm not asleep with anyone. And I go. Rachel laughs in my face. And then I fell asleep. Then she fell asleep. I was like, do you want a massage? You can you always pass out because we've been drinking all night. Nick saved me.

He gave me Tylenol. I was like the sweetest thing. I gave a glass of water. I carried her upstairs. It was like I got her water in the morning. Raven put up more of a fight. It was the sweetest thing. Okay, I want to ask you moving forward where you are right now.

We know we've seen you on The Bachelor. You've dated publicly. You've dated some famous people. You've dated privately. You may be dating now. I don't know. But I want to know what's the biggest difference in what you're looking for now versus what you were looking for when you first appeared on The Bachelorette. When America first met you.

Not much. I mean, again, I'm not like 22 anymore. So, like, my, it's only different in the fact that I value safety more than I ever did. Do you mean like safe sex or do you mean? No, but like my, you know, it's people say, well, can you dating a normal person? Yeah, I've been out with nurses and teachers and whatever, but sometimes on those types of dates, that's why people date people that can relate to. You want to be able to feel safe and trust around them.

You want to be yourself and not have them that information. You know, like you want to feel safe. You want to feel like they get you. They're not trying to get you. And sometimes people try to relate to people on dates. And if people, obviously, I've had a very unique. unique experiences the past five years. And I think sometimes people who can't relate in some way, it makes those dates harder.

It's why you see a lot of bachelor nation people line up together. Some of it is because they want to get more Instagram ads and some of it is because they know that that person can relate to them. That's a shared mutual experience. I mean, you and the goose. I mean, you guys have, you can relate. I mean, there is value in that. There's people all over the world, marry for those reasons.

And so I think that, it's harder for me to find someone I really. relate to, but I also don't want to date someone in a Bachelor Nation, it makes my life harder. Are you currently dating anyone now? I don't really define my relationships on podcasts right now. Maybe, maybe not. Nothing serious, but he's dating, for sure. Oh, oh, okay.

I really don't know. Would you ever go on a Bachelor show again? Not to find love, but you know, I'm always happy to support my bachelor's... He's like, if Chris Harrison wants to take a step down, it's more than a step in that role. They're already going to ask that, it's fine. I know. you should i know i know i know i'm no ben higgins

okay but can i just say something chris harrison is a very sarcastic funny like direct oh great individual and you you have a lot of the same characteristics as head and i think that chris and i have a lot of similar personalities so you could play a role too i'm just saying they're gonna go with ben but chris is also chris is doing a great job he's still young he's not going anywhere we don't need to be talking about chris's retirement i'm just saying maybe he wants a change. I was just saying if, if we're speaking of hypotheticals. Why would you ever not want to do

that job? Right. That's the best job. It's the best job. Why would you ever not want to do it? If they ever want to go with a female, I'd put my name in the hat for sure. They actually, they actually, as they probably should, as they probably should, 2019. You know it's funny though, Ellen, Ellen, dear friend, friend of show, Ellen DeGeneres, a show called comedians in cars. And if you're not familiar with it, Jerry Seinfeld interviews, all these other comedians and he, had Ellen on. And Jerry was like, why did you want to be a comedian? And Ellen goes, I just wanted to be famous. That's all I cared about. I remember listening to that. That's

funny, because I only say that because in Batchination, it's this criticism. Like, oh, you're just here to be famous and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And here's Ellen's like, yeah, I just want to be famous. And again, I only say that because, like, I didn't have any expectations of doing what I'm doing, and I kind of fell into it and there wasn't a playbook. Am I going to pretend I don't like attention? Am I going to pretend that, like, we all talk about, we all, everyone in Bachelors Nation jokes about their relevancy fading away and what they might be willing to do to keep it going. It's a joke, but everyone talks about it. I think the reason the criticism comes sometimes with Bachelorses is because people don't

come in with, it's almost like what people say about the Kardashians. You don't have a talent. You didn't come in with anything. This is a job before. So you're using it to find something. Whereas opposed to the people who do come in with a career or a job, get a little bit more, I don't people are a little bit more lenient to them because they have something to fall back on whereas the person who did. And I think that's why people are so critical because a lot of times people say,

oh, people come on the Bachelors Nation, they don't have a job. They just want to be something. There is that, but people forget. They do have a job, and it's not the job that they want to have. And I have to say for anyone who goes on any capacity of a TV show,

once fame it. Like, once fame, period. They certainly don't hate attention. And there could be for different... It's very true. And it could be for different reasons. Like if someone could just be Um, maybe someone wants to be an actor, work as an influencer, be a host, and maybe there are those

elements or maybe just someone just really wants to prove something. God knows that's what I need. If I got to hear one more time, I'm just here for love. I swear I got, I'm going to stab myself in the eye. Everybody has different reasons, but I think at the end of the day, you're all open to love. You're there for the experience. You guys know I'm always on the road and I'm always traveling, but that does not mean that I do not know how to spruce up my apartment and have it looking absolutely delightful.

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Right now, it's October, and we have a very big, one of my, actually, one of my favorite holidays. Some might not call it a holiday, but it's one of mine. We've got Halloween coming up, and so in the spirit of Halloween, we want to do something fun and we want to do something festive. And since we have you here, Nick, we're going to do it with you. So we're going to play a little bit of this or that. and it's the Bachelor Halloween edition. So are you up for it? You don't really have a choice.

I played this or that with Andy on Andy's season. Okay. Was it this or was it that? I don't know. It was in Brussels, Belgium. In a moment I thought I was going to win and then she broke my heart. Oh, okay.

Well, it should be good. And with that. So let's play. Let's play. All right, here we go. This or that, Bachelor Halloween edition. Here we go. Champagne flavored candy or rosé flavor.

flavored cocktails. God, I guess the rosé flavored cocktails? All right. Yeah, I would go with that one too. Yes.

All right. If it were to get trick or treaters, if you were to get trick or treaters at the Bachelor Mansion, would you give out candy or condoms?

To the contestants? Just trick or treaters. Candy, I guess. It depends if they want a trick-or-treat. How old are we talking here? Are they tricking? Are these high school students not letting you go of the charm of trick or cheating?

Because like that's an important age to learn about safe sex. Well, there you go. Condoms it is. So in the face of a zombie apocalypse, in the face of a zombie apocalypse, oh my God, why can I say this? In the face of a zombie apocalypse, who would you want? Is this fuck Mary Kell? I've been drinking wine. In the face of a zombie apocalypse, who would you want with you?

Dean or Demi? this is actually tough because it depends what you want out of it right do you want dean the master of survival who knows how to rough it out or like i mean it's the end of the world i mean like i want to have sex with somebody so like i don't want to say like i mean if we're talking about the end of the world dimmy might not want it from you that's true that's entirely possible um anyways um i'm just saying like we're talking about the end of the world yeah and when people get asked a question about like the end of the world Depends how you want to go out right So is saying Demi But Dean if it's not the end of the world If there's a chance of survival

I'm picking Dean Okay good Next question Who would plan a better Halloween party Ashley and Jared Or Jaden Tanner 100% Ashley and Jared Their wedding was phenomenal

It was beautifully planned And really well done That's what I heard It looked beautiful Were you there? Oh I was It looked beautiful From what I can tell, Jay, it's not actually much of the planner.

It's more Tanner. And if it doesn't include fantasy football, I don't, you know. Wouldn't be much of a party? Yeah. I was about to say something else, but I'm sorry. I think you should say it. Hey, Rachel, there's one thing you wouldn't shut up when you're on my season is how much you kept it 100. So I feel like whatever we were about to say, you should say.

Well, I was just going to say something about Tanner. You said when it comes to planning fantasy football or I was like or just like talking shit about somebody from another season or, you know. I mean, Tanner, before Tanner was ever on the show, he was a Bachelor super fan, and he will admit to that. Was he really? Oh, hardcore. Yeah, he's always giving his opinion where, speaking of people giving their opinions on posts and likes and where they don't belong, Tanner. Would you rather find out that one of your suitors is on a missing persons list or has a nanny? Both of which have happened on the bachelor just for our listeners.

I mean, as an adult. As an adult as a adult. Danny didn't get her not. I mean. How was Raquel? Was she lovely? Lovely human being.

Really delightful. Krin's entire family was really quite sweet. That's cute. Okay. Next question. Would you rather go on a date to a graveyard or a haunted house? I hate haunted houses. They're so stupid.

What? I love haunted house. So my God, there's a person behind a corner in a mask and a jump out and go, boo. The point is that you fake, like you're scared. You go on a date and you think like, You got to be the strong guy to the girl to hold on to. I'm so scared.

Hold me. Love me. No, a graveyard. Graveyard. Okay, who would you rather see cover the monster mash? Chris Harrison or Wells? Chris Harrison. Yeah, for sure.

I feel like Wells has probably already done the monster mash somewhere. Chris Harrison. Nick, it's definitely been a pleasure. It has been a pleasure. I hate to see you go because you're definitely into having the conversations, maybe that people are too afraid to talk about. Yeah, let's shake it up. Shameless plug, vile files for, you know, more authentic, not more.

I was about to correct you. Sorry, Rachel. But, yeah, check us out. Also, if you ever want to come on my show and just spill the tea about what happened with Raven, I just want you to know it's a safe place. And again, I'm Team Raven. I like Raven. I know you do.

But I do think sometimes Raven is not who she pretends to be. I like the actual Raven more than the Raven she pretends to be. I think a lot, I think people, that's just a general thing what people say about the Bachelor and Bachelorette is that people like, people like real versions of people rather than what they see on TV. I can't wait to that Reddit thread that like Raven curates about, you know. I think as you go through the process, you know, you uncover. You uncover the layers. Okay, Nick, I have one last question before you go. Any words of wisdom for Hannah on Dancing with the Stars as she enters this final phase.

of competition. I don't think Hannah needs my advice. I mean, she's going to go farther than I went. How far did you go? Top five? Me and Nancy Kerrigan went home the same week, so like whether I was fifth or six or vice versa, but it was top five or six.

Hannah's going to be in the finals for sure. I would be shot. She's going to be top three for sure. That's what I said. I think she's going to top three. Yeah, I don't think she needs my advice at all. She did do whatever she's doing. Okay, girls killing it. Yeah, no, no. killing it. Well, Nick, definitely

been a pleasure. Thanks for having. I can't wait to I read my comments after this episode drops on Instagram. Reddit's going to be popping. Woo! Love you Reddit. Yeah. No, but seriously, thank you for coming on and having just such good, refreshing conversation. If you want to come back,

I can do the favor. I definitely can come back to Vile Files, and you should come back on this podcast too. Of course, Crystal, thank you so much for being here as well. And Bassor Nation, we love you. Thank you so much for listening to us. Wait, before we go, I just want to say what the... He wants to come back.

No, wait, what the fuck? When you had Jed on your podcast, I got to say, you... Was that too nice? To Jed? Yes. Also, bigger criticism, when Jed had a little hissy fit about me, you egged them on and you're like, I know you were leading the witness counselor. This is fair.

I thought you would have my back a little bit more you did. And Allie was, was a little more team Nick. I was listening to this thing and I was just like, what the fuck? I knew what you were doing, but I got to say... Please keep this because I, you have always had my back and I actually hate the way that came out. And in my defense, I was cut off,

not by production, but the podcast was moving and I would have gone into it way more so it left off on my leading question. I mean, granted, to be honest, when he said it, I thought, my God, this is a headline. Okay. But I wanted to get into it a little bit more. And recently that was done to me as well

On somebody else's podcast And I did not appreciate that So I do apologize because that is And I know that's not what you were looking for But I would have gone into that way All I know was when I was listening to that I thought to myself If I had gentlemen podcast

And he brought you up in the same way I would have lit his ass up And defended your ass for his little bitchy bullshit I wanted to get more into it I wanted him to spell it out And then I wanted to go at it I also wasn't there in person But no you are totally in the right

to call me out on that. All right. Thanks for having me. All right. I just want to thank Nick so much for coming on the podcast. Always a good time to talk to my favorite ex-boyfriend. And next week, we have coming up my favorite jeweler. Your favorite jeweler.

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