Bachelor Happy Hour - Olumide on Helping Michelle Feel Seen

Episode Date: November 10, 2021

Olumide visits “Bachelor Happy Hour” to catch up with Becca and Tayshia and offers his take on all the drama from this week’s episode of “The Bachelorette” and his Bachelorette journey so far. Olumide opens up about his feelings on getting a meaningful group date rose this week, shares his thoughts on “doughboy” Peter, and weighs in on what Chris S. was thinking when he made that speech at the cocktail party. Olumide also reveals why he got emotional about Michelle’s poem and the reason her speech at the after-party resonated with him so much. Then, Olumide shares his thoughts on some of the other men while playing Bachelorette Superlatives. Plus, Becca and Tayshia discuss other memorable moments from the episode, including that simple yet powerful one-on-one with Rick, and what their women’s intuition is telling them about Martin. “Bachelor Happy Hour” has exclusive interviews every week. Watch “The Bachelorette” on ABC and listen to “Bachelor Happy Hour” the next morning.  Don’t forget to rate and subscribe so you never miss an episode. See omny.fm/listener for privacy information.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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What is up, Bachelor, Happy Hour listeners? Thanks for joining us again this week. And thanks Tasha for joining me again. It's good to see you. That's right, honey. I ain't going nowhere. I'm running this thing to the end. What's up?

How are you? I'm great. Speaking of running, before we get into anything from last night's episode, you had a big week. you just ran the New York Marathon. Please tell us all about it because I just saw you struggle to walk about five feet. So I know that your body is sore, but you crushed it.

I'm so proud of you. But I want to hear more from your experience. Yeah. It was absolutely incredible. I don't think I realized what I signed up for until, honestly, seconds before we started running, I started hyperventilating and freaking out and truly trying to figure out. how I can run out of the stands. But, you know, I have to say it was the most incredible experience.

And I was doing, I was, I surprised myself with like how well I was doing. It wasn't until like mile like 18, 19 where I was like, okay, hold on a second. You're trying to tell me I still got like seven to eight more to go. Like I was like starting to tap out. Like my body started to like cramp up, if you will. Mm-hmm. Um, but I will say Bachelor nation, y'all are some crazy ass fans. And I love you because you guys help me get through all of that all over New York City. Everyone was cheering and just like ultimate MVPs. And it was the craziest experience of my life. It was the crazy experience of my life. I loved it so much. I can't wait till next year. Yes, I'm already talking about next year. Um, with this. year I trained, but I didn't train how I would normally, you know, expect to train for a

marathon, but next year it's freaking on. I'm very proud of my time this year, but it's on next year. I'm just proud of you for doing it in general, for signing up in general, coming from somebody who I can maybe run three miles and then I'm like, F this, I'm bored, I'm in my brain, like I don't want to keep thinking so much. Like, I just, I'm not a runner. So I so admire anyone who runs not only like a full marathon that's crazy enough but even half marathon like tisha i've never even done a 5k which this year i mean well we'll add it to january for my new year's resolutions that might be one of them just to start a 5k but i'm so proud of you i'm so proud of there was actually a lot of people from bachelor nation who ran um obviously zach was with you i saw pilot p did it i

think tyler did it dr jo like just so many people it's incredible to see I'm, I just, and like you said, the fans, I mean, I was, I was seeing everything online in different news articles on Instagram, taking everyone. I have to imagine, like, is that kind of what helped get you through with the fellow runners, like, probably the hype and just like that adrenaline and just like that bonding with the other runners and the fans? Like, did that kind of help get you through? Oh, yeah. It was almost like bad to the point where I was like exerting so much energy freaking out over. everybody else i was like okay hold on a second i have to like pull back so like for a couple miles like i i had to just like stick my headphones in just like kind of put my head to the ground

and just run because it's like everyone i'm telling you if you guys could feel the energy it was the most insane thing in the world i encourage you if you can't run a mile or can't run the marathon if you have the opportunity to definitely be a cheerleader on the sidelines because those runners need it more than anything and it's so rewarding to yourself it's so emotional to watch It's just incredible. It's awesome. Well, I will be on the sidelines cheering you on next year. I, uh, you know, I don't, I, I don't think I can do that many miles.

I don't have it in me, but I can cheer loud. We're doing a 5K together. Okay. Yes, yes. I would love that. We should actually, okay, everyone, whole is accountable. Absolutely. Let's do it when it's like not too hot, not too cold, like a happy medium.

Uh, we'll get it going. You can train me. You can train me. Oh, I love that. I love that. But hopefully you have the rest of the day to, you know, now we'll gossip. you can relax a little bit but just take care of yourself maybe get a massage treat yourself girl um i'm so proud of you i'm so proud of you uh thank you let's get into last night's episode because

i can't believe we're already a few weeks in like i know i was just thinking that too it's going by fast it's going by really fast and i feel like we're really starting to see these guys um and a lot of them are starting to open up and be extremely vulnerable. In fact, we have a guest this week. We have Olamide, aka Swaloo, is in the house who's going to be with us today. But I think everyone's starting to really fall in love with this season. I have some favorites, obviously. How about you? How are you feeling? I'm feeling good. There's always that weird point, like the first couple of weeks where there's still so many men that I'm like, who is that and who is this guy? Like, you don't get to see a lot of not that I like when people go home, but I just like when it kind of dwindles down so you get to know

people more. And that's actually why I will say I'm excited to have Olomide on today and why we saw more of him because he was someone the first couple weeks that you really didn't see too much of, you know, he was more out of the drama. This week he really stepped up and and shined in Michelle's eyes and in the viewer's eyes. So I'm excited to pick his brain a bit more on everything that we saw go down. One thing that really stuck out to me is Michelle was very open. open the entire episode about not feeling seen. And this is something that you had mentioned just on our podcast. I don't know if it was last week or two weeks ago of something to come. So watching it back now, like take me back to, you know, because you were there for her throughout the season. Like,

where was she at that point? Like, was she really down and low? And you and Caitlin were just trying to be mentors and give her advice and get through it. Or like, you know, what was that emotion like? You know, this was probably I don't know the most emotion and actually I'll say this this is probably where I felt Michelle feeling like kind of lost

the most I feel like that date was extremely emotional for her and I think it put a lot of things like a lot of almost a little bit of doubt in her mind like is this actually going to work like are they actually into me like my fears are actually starting to creep in and it kind of took her over

You actually definitely see that in the episode where she's just kind of in her head. She's thinking about everything. She's feeling extremely emotional. And I don't like using the word to hear, but is this going to work for her? And that date was really tough. The teddy bear date when we were there at the Bella Twins, as fun as it was, I think that we definitely saw the guys having like this massive bromance. And they kind of just get carried away with themselves. and at the end of the day,

like you know how nerve-wracking it is going on these group dates. Like, you feel kind of like, you know, anxious and like antsy to see certain people and they're on that group date. You can't wait to talk to them. But like, you don't want to be the one constantly pulling them.

Like, you want to feel pursued. Like, you want to feel them kind of reach out to you. And when that doesn't happen, it's like, okay, so wait, are they not feeling the same way as me? Mm-hmm. You know, am I a priority? And I think that she really experienced this on that date. I feel like there was a couple.

of guys that she you know um felt like a really strong interest in just like she expressed later on in the night and they weren't taking the initiative and i think for her it was kind of like real fear was creeping in like i don't feel as though i'm standing out at all there's no other girls here and i still don't even feel like i'm standing out and that's her biggest our biggest insecurity. And it was really tough to watch her. I think Caitlin and I, you know, we wanted to talk to her right then there and the date, but like so much was happening. And obviously we ended up pulling her aside. I mean, definitely see the conversation that she had with Caitlin. But it was really hard. And I'm so happy that she had a date with Rick afterwards because

I feel like that's exactly what she needed. That kind of pulled her out of the funk. I will say too, I'm glad that because at the first part of that group date, she was on her own with all the men. And she was really feeling everything. And you could even tell by her facial expressions and just her body language. Like she was feeling it seemed very defeated. I'm really glad that you and Caitlin were able to go in and actually watch the rest of the date with her. I feel like that helped her kind of get out of her mind and lift her spirits a bit. And but when she said, like, I'm not going to cry. I don't want to cry right now. Like we've all been there. Like I guarantee everyone listening has felt that that moment where like you feel the pressure built in your chest

and you feel like those tears are going to come and you just like still want to put on a brave face and hold it down and you just feel so like stuck in you know like kind of in your chest and and and I could see that and I could feel it and I felt for her I'm very glad she was able to confront the men that night and get all on the table and I'm glad like she again her maturity levels just always show I think because she did it. she didn't want to bring it up during the daytime and you know kind of kill the vibe if you will like she was she was feeling it but i don't think she wanted to ruin the entire day and bring it up then um you know because it was still a very lighthearted date like they're their freaking pajamas teddy bear

fighting for goodness sake but i mean i'll tell you something watching them those guys you would think that they like someone like stole their like lunch money and like you know try to like take them down like they were fighting those bears were literally ripped to shreds at the time they were done that day okay it was so intense yeah um but i have to say like just like how you said like Michelle's like maturity really just like continues to show and how vulnerable did she have to be in order to pull those guys aside and actually tell them how she was feeling like I feel like you're not interested and you're not coming to talk to me and the reason why I'm telling you this is because like I'm into you like we don't do that generally you know what I mean we kind of bottle it up and we get insecure in our

head and just create these like little stories but um the fact that she was able to do that I think only helps her and has these guys like put them in a check you know what I mean totally she's actually vocalizing what she needs fast forward to the rose ceremony and the cocktail party before that, obviously we see Chris S still bring that up and talk about it and say, you know, like some of these guys aren't here for you and are just too confident and like didn't bring you out of that funk, which was very strange to me because he wasn't on the night portion of that date. So I was thinking like, where the hell is he coming from with all this so-called knowledge and info if he wasn't even there for half of it. But that's the problem. That's the problem because

these guys aren't there, but they hear tidbits. You know, Like when the guys go back that night and then the next morning they go, I'll go, like, eat breakfast and they're talking a little bit about it, they have no idea, like what the context was. And if it was received well. And if the guys actually stepped up and, you know, were able to comfort her. And I don't know what the purpose of that all was. I was kind of shocked seeing all that. But, you know, this is also the time where you kind of see like guys trying to like stand out a little bit more. TV time. It doesn't ever benefit you to go talk shit about people. Stay in your damn lane. I don't know why that message has not been received yet. There's always a point at, you know, in every season where you either know you have a really strong connection with the lead.

Yeah. Or you kind of don't and you are falling back. But a lot of guys, I mean, there's always like one to several on each season that at that point kind of i think know that and they just want to get the tv time they want to make the screen time to call it a bachelor in paradise edition whatever it might be and that's like right when i saw christian that i'm like oh buddy stop it's not it's not good um yeah so going but she did have some other good dates she had two one-on-one she had one with martin and one with rick what oh my god are you let's be honest go say it because i have things to say mart there's something about martin i don't know

i can't pinpoint it and i can't put it into words there's just something a little bit off like i think i think he's trying to schmooze her in a way that there's just something there's something there's something there that i'm like you know they had this conversation about him not you know growing up with the greatest communication skills he didn't see that from his family i understand that, but I don't know what it is. But something, he rubbed me the wrong way and I'm like, I don't know, Mr. Martin, how I'm feeling about you. Listen, and I mean with this with all of my heart, like, he was actually a really cool

guy to be around, but I feel the same exact way. For some reason, that date felt like, I think if I was on it, my walls would have gone up immediately and then like, I don't think I'm feeling this. I don't know. That was the one date that I think that I was. have been taken aback by this entire season last far

there was something about it where it didn't feel safe and Michelle kind of felt that too and listen like and it's not even for the fact he's so got a rose yeah well I will say this

like he did a decent job of trying to explain his actions from earlier in the day where she brought it to his attention about like him not necessarily like backing up her opinion or her choices whatever it might be like

so i understand her still being keeping those guards up but not fully being ready to send him home because i mean think about it the week before he was one of the only guys during the maverick playing date where he pulled her aside to check in on her like he's he has actions in the past but i think she just needs to really get to that point kind of like she did with jamie and with Ryan on night one where she's just like I got to this point there's no going forward I don't trust you goodbye and I don't and she's I think she's like teetering on that edge a little bit but she decided to you know see where it could potentially go um yeah like I said he's a great guy I just there was just something I as being like a spectator mm-hmm that felt a little off to me yeah same and maybe

it's just like a woman's intuition I don't know but but talk about somebody who didn't give me that vibe, Mr. Rick. I mean. Okay. I've been a Rick fan since night one since he came on as the entree. He just seems sweet to me. Like he just seems genuinely kind. Like he really just wants to find a partner in life. And I really appreciated.

I mean, they didn't do anything like majorly wild for that, for their day portion of the day. You know, they went hiking. and it was cute but that night he opened up so much about his family i honestly like i kind of started crying as i was watching it because i can't imagine sorry i'm like i don't know why i'm so much sure right now having a parent pass away in the way that he did um and like still feeling that guilt for that that rick had said he felt um for kind of breaking up his parents marriage um i felt for him. I know. I cried. I felt for him, but I think it was, I'm glad that he was able to share that

with Michelle, because obviously that's such a huge part of him. But he just, I don't know, I just, I'm such a Rick fan. There's just something about him. So I want to see where it goes. If it doesn't work between Rick and Michelle, I want to find him a really great girl one day. I know. There's something about him that was so incredibly genuine and like, You can't help, but, like, want to root for him and, like, want him to find, like, sweet, genuine love. There's some, honestly, there's, that is, there's, it's, it's guys like that that make you want to. I mean, I was watching it with my best friend. She's like, I mean, is he single?

Because, like, I would, I would say yes if he proposed to me. I was like, relax. But, um, it was just like, there's something about him that it's just, there's no hidden agenda. He is who he is. He has a very pure heart. And I feel like he just wants someone just to love him and see him just like how he sees her. And that's the one thing that I loved about Michelle, like what she had said at the beginning of their day is like Rick said he has seen me since day one. And that's something that's like they're both looking for.

I feel like everyone's looking for in a relationship. And I feel like having that genuine connection is something you can't fabricate or like try to grow. It gets just there. Right. Well, she even called it too. I mean, because Michelle, I will give her this. she's got a good sense of just trusting her gut and her intuition. And she said Rick is here for the right reasons.

And I think he's somebody who, like you said, makes this show worthwhile and makes me still believe, like, it works because there's good genuine guys. Of course, there's some guys who are there to be on TV and stir the pot and cause drama and make a name for themselves. But guys like Rick, like, that's really what the show is all about. And they have such a good relationship band. enter like he he came out with his head on a platter for goodness sake like the first night so like come on he's a favorite since the beginning yeah he's like funny and he can be lighthearted but he still has like this intense attention for her and like really does i think genuinely care about her and her feelings and where she's at each and every day in this journey and i think that's really

special so oh rick but i'm even more of a we're rick fans okay we're rick fans man um and you know who else we are fans of is Olu Mide because he stepped up last night and you know, we can keep talking about last night's episode but I would rather just bring him on right now and hear his side of things because he had a big week. He got the group date

Rose. So let's just chat with him right now, shall we? Perfect. All right. Welcome to Bachelor. Happy hour, Olimite. Thank you for joining us today. How the heck are you? Thank you. I'm great. You know, I'm feeling good. It's happy hour.

sipping on my honey. I like your style. We got to do cheers, you know. I'm only drinking coffee right now, but I'll cheers you. Ready? One, two, three. Cheers. Cheers.

Hey. I should sink some Bailey's in this bit, bad boy. Allumidae, thank you for joining us. I want to hear how the heck you are, but I also want to hear how you got on this crazy show. Yes, yes. I'm doing really good today. I just thank God I'm alive and breathing, so it's just another day. But how did I end up on this crazy adventure?

Wow. So, yeah, this producer that I met a while back in Cali, she reached out to me for this opportunity. She asked me if, do I want to find love? And I looked at her crazy, like, what? Love? Are you hitting on me right now? What? Love with you?

or with somebody else? Exactly. So, yeah, I'm like, yeah, I mean, I've been single for a long time. You know, I think it's about time for me to settle down. So she's like, hey, there's an opportunity for the Bachelorette. So I'm like, okay. So I applied and went through a whole casting process and boom, I'm here. Wow.

So are you based in California? So I was actually in Cali for vacay. and just me being just a networking type of guy ran into some people exchange IGs and this was just a DM, a random DM, hey, do you want to find love on The Bachelorette? And I'm like, yeah, why not? You know, and honestly, I didn't know who the Bachelorette was,

honestly, until like maybe halfway through the process. You know, then I was just like curious, okay, let me do my extensive research and boom, see, it's Michelle. I'm like, wow, this is a beautiful black woman. So, you know, I'm happy. I'm happy. Happy to be here. You got a good one. Top tier right there. Well, the journey has been crazy as we've been watching. But this week was a big week, I feel. Well, we were saying we feel it's like a big week for you. What was a vibe going into the dates this week? How are you feeling going into that group date? Yeah, the vibes, vibes going into the group date was dope. Honestly, I didn't

know what to expect. And then boom, I see the date was a slumber party. And I actually have my fit here for the slumber party. I have the romper. I don't have the time. I ain't going to lie. Like, I wore it when I got back from filming. I wore this once. Like, you know, because, you know, I gave, yeah, you know, I have Michelle smell in here. So I don't even know if I watched Well, you didn't even get it dirty because you didn't even wear it half the time. So you're good. Yeah, we saw. But had the energy in the house changed after Jamie had left?

Oh, definitely. Jamie leaving was just like a breath of fresh air. You know, the house just been problematic and just situations just emerging. and, you know, just Jamie leaving and just, you know, me and the guys, we honestly felt that, you know, all problems are out the door and we could just focus on the show. Before we get into the group day, were you really shown? And we got to know a bit more about you.

Take me back to when everything was really escalating with the entire Jamie situation. I'm assuming you weren't super close with him just from what it sounds. What were your thoughts on that? What were your thoughts when you and the rest of the men found out that it was actually him who had brought up these weird rumors to Michelle? Yeah. Honestly, I wasn't even completely shocked when I found out that it was Jamie. You know, a lot of the guys in the house, they kind of like looked up to Jamie.

They saw him as like, this idol, this God, you know? And at me, I'm just sitting back like, too many people are giving. this guy too much respect by guys in the house asking him for advice and you know it's like why are you going to do that like you know we're fighting for for love you're gonna you know stoop down and ask this man for advice you know like he's your father so um but yeah I was just you know I was I wasn't too shocked that was it was Jamie spreading the rumors you know I kind of suspected him seemed like a little like a little rat. Interesting.

I was just going to say, like, what was it about that? What was it about him? Like, was it just like the energy you got and just like the vibe? And you just kind of like, we're on, you know, on guard? Yeah, definitely. He was just super, super positive, you know? Like, I'm very good at reading people. I trust my intuition.

He was just super positive, you know, like, nothing got under his skin. And I'm just like, I'm like, hmm, I was just. question, you know? Yeah. It's like nothing, nothing faced them at all. So, you know, I just kept my guard up. You know, I didn't really communicate with him too much, but, you know, I always knew to keep keeping eye on them. You knew. You could tell. We were actually, before you got on, we were talking about women's intuition and how Michelle has a very good sense when it comes to that. And, you know, when she feels something off, she's very quick at being decisive. And, you know, as we saw, I got rid of Jamie. She got rid of Ryan Knight 1. Yeah. Yeah. But,

But, okay, so this week we saw two one-on-one dates, obviously Rick had one, but then also Martin had one, who we find out on that date. Martin and Jamie had been very close in the house. How did you feel seeing him get that one-on-one? Yeah, honestly, I was kind of pissed, you know? I was pissed that every guy got there one-on-one. But Martin receiving a one-on-one, you know, honestly, I didn't want to question Michelle. You know, you know, she's a woman who she feels like, you know, she felt like, you know, she had a strong connection with Maureen and that he deserved that one-on-one.

So, you know, I was kind of pissed, but at the same time, you know, I trust her judgment. And, you know, it's just me patiently waiting for my opportunity, my time. Look at that smile as you say it. I have a feeling it's coming. It's coming. You did say, though, like, you're like, I'm a little nervous because he was best friends with Jamie. So, and then watching that back, obviously, they obviously had a conversation about that. But he ended up getting your rose at the end, and he continued to stay.

But going on to you, you were on the slumber party group date. Yes, yes. At any point during the group date, did you have any idea how Michelle was feeling? And because watching it back, I'm sure you were kind of, let me say. take it back a second. I just jumped. You're on this on my party, group date. How do you feel getting those pajamas? Did you think you guys were going to pay?

Let's see. What was it? Rumble, tumble with bears? Teddy bear pillow fight. Do y'all not see these rompers? Like, honestly, I'm just, I'm happy. I'm happy I don't have the little flat on the back. You know, I think Romeo had it.

When we all got the pajamas, you know, everyone's face was just like in complete disbelief. like, Lord, what in the world are we wearing? You know, I was honestly tripping for wearing their rompers. I'm not a huge fan of rompers, but, hey, you know, I guess, Michelle. They're hard when you have to go to the bathroom. I don't blame you. They suck a lot of times.

Oh, yeah. Well, I guess if you're a dude, it's different. Yeah, it's very different. Yeah, yeah. I think's easy for you guys. Yeah. What was, did you like that date? It was, I mean, like, for me, I would,

would have had such a blast because I like cheesy, corny things like that. But, you know, you're eating cotton candy and you have your pajamas on and you're, you have the teddy bears. And it's just like, it seems like a, well, the beginning, seems like a pretty relaxing chill date. So when Michelle opened up those doors and you said the Bella twins and, you know, that you had to get in that ring and fight with the teddy bears, what were you thinking? Oh, man. So yeah, let's, I guess let's start with the build a bear date. Yeah. So initially I walk in, I see a builder bear and stuff animals. And I'm like, is this really the date we're doing?

So, I mean, the first thing I do is, you know, I go by the pedicare station, start, you know, soaking my toes. And I do like a facial too. And I think me and Romeo were like feeding each other with cucumbers. I don't know. But yeah. So, yeah, I'm honestly thinking like this is the only date. And next thing you know, they open the doors and boom, I see the bellow twins in the ring. And I'm like tripping like, because I'm a huge WWE fan.

So I knew who they were. I am. Long time fan. You know, me and my father, you know, we've gone to WWE matches at Prudential Center. And yeah, I'm just, I'm a big, I'm a big time fan. Yeah. Long time. enjoyed that part of the date.

Definitely. Definitely. So, yeah, as soon as I saw them, I'm like, oh, shit, it's about to get real. Like, am I going to have to like 619 someone or, you know, choke slam somebody? So I want to ask you a question, though, because, like, watching it back, you guys look like you guys were having the best time. Like you said, you guys are putting face masks on, soaking your feet, eating pizza, making cotton candy, doing the absolute most.

with your summer party um but did you know how michelle was feeling like did you know that she was kind of feeling not being like she wasn't being pursued she was just kind of secluded and she didn't feel like you guys were giving her attention yeah um this at this point of the date um you know i initially wanted i didn't know how michel was feeling i thought everything was fine um you know my intentions of you know at the date was just to be laid back because guys were kind of like vultures and trying to get their time with her. So I was just kind of laying back, but I had no idea she was, you know, feeling any type of way.

And I think that's what Caitlin was trying to tell her, too. Like, sometimes I don't think the guys realize, like, everybody tries not to, like, step on everybody's toes. But then when you all do that, it's like, hello? Are you all here? Group dates are so weird to begin with. I mean, like, when in real life are you ever going to go on a group date where you have 12 guys vying for one person's attention. Like that's just not normal. But then add on to that the fact

that you guys are all living together and you already have this really weird bond that has been formed, this friendship that no one else can really understand. And you're close with these guys now. So it's like these are your friends all trying to date one girl. And I mean, like I remember being on the group dates with my girlfriends trying to fight for the bachelor. And I was like, I don't step on anyone's toes. Like these are my people. I'm with them day in, day out 24 seven. like, yes, I'm into this person, but it's just like, it's very weird dynamic. So I, I can kind of see where you guys were coming from. But I also then too can see where Michelle was feeling like, I am one girl and there are 12 dudes around me. And why is no one pulling me? Why is no one

trying to fight for me? Um, so I felt for her. I will say, I'm glad that she was able to confront you all during the night portion, which I do want to get into. But before we do that, I have two questions for you. Back to the fun part of the group day. we learned that the guys called you swallow during the teddy bear fight is that something that they coined there or is this something that like your friends back home had called you prior to that oh man that's something that just emerged there because my friends back home they call me um big oh yeah just big oh I love that. I love to go somewhere else. Oh my gosh. It's back on.

You love that name. Don't you? I honestly think I love Swolu, though. He just sits back with this house. He's like, yeah. Swolu was like, at first I didn't like the name, and it just kind of grew on me, you know? And, you know, I just, I don't know. I think it was Rodney who came up with the names, to be honest.

But, hey, I guess, you know, the guys acknowledged what it was. You know, I lived in the gym. You know, I stay swole. So that's why they call me swolu. Listen, we had some weird call names from the group date last week. So this one's a good one. This one's a keeper. My next question that I have for that date is if one of the Bella twins got in the ring with one of the dudes, who's asked would she kick?

Chris S Yeah Send his ass That's so funny Definitely Chris S You know he has little man Little man syndrome So you know

Yeah I think I think I think they'll teach him a lesson for sure Oh that would have actually made for some good Frickin TV If the Bella twins got with you guys Oh, my, I would have loved it. I would have loved it.

Like you in each of you battled one of them? Oh, my God. Oh, I would have loved to see a big guy like you or, like, Clayton get knocked down from one of them. That would have been epic. Realistically, that would happen. Yeah. How does it feel, how did it feel, seen Clayton when he said, you are what a real man looks like?

It means a lot because me and Clayton, like, you know. we kind of have the same mentality, you know? Like, we both love to be physical, you know. Clearly, we both got the muscles. It's like, it's like, it's like if there was a spinoff of men in black, it'll be me and clean, you know? So, so. I love this.

That's too good. I need a picture of you two in your suits one night, like backed back with like some shades. So good. That'll be dope. That'll be dope. You know, it's, you know, that was honest, yeah. Yeah, let's be honest, because I was there with you guys. How intense was it building up to those fights?

You guys were trying to push, like, the stuffing in the bears to, like, go either to, like, the feet or the heads, try to make it, like, a little bit more, like, intense that we could swing it around. Were you surprised at how agile Brandon was when you were fighting with him? Yeah, I didn't expect Brandon to be that quick, honestly. You know, if this was boxing, like, I would have been nailed them, you know, easily. But, you know, in this case, it was a teddy bear match. And I made sure to take out enough cotton from the bear so I could, like, easily swing it. But, yeah, Brandon, he's real quick, for sure.

Look at these techniques that you fellows came up with. I love it. Oh, God, you don't understand. It was crazy. I would have loved to be there. It was wild. I mean, listen. It was exhausting.

Michelle has a good cast of guys and so for any of those competition dates I would have loved to just sit in the stands and you know drink some wine or a martini cheer you all on I would have loved it I want to get into the after party because this is this is the moment where we really got to know more of you and see how you reacted to you know something that's a little bit tough for Michelle a little bit more adversity so you had a very strong reaction to Michelle when she she let you know that she felt unseen during the day portion, right? And you actually, I think, said, you know, I don't want to quote you, but something along the lines of, you know, having felt her pain for having four sisters. So can you get into that a little bit more and just tell us more about how Michelle's poem from last week affected you? Yeah. Um, you know, listening, you know, hearing Michelle's poem, you know, definitely resonated with me. Um, you know, we're cut from the same law. So I understand the struggles of a black woman. She went to predominantly, you know, white school and she had to overcome many boundaries, you know, barriers, right? And, you know,

basketball was one thing that helped her stand out and feel accepted, you know, being the girl with the nappy hair, all of that. So I understood what she meant, you know, these are things that struggles that my younger sisters went through, you know, coming to me as the older brother, like, Oh, Lou, you know, I don't feel beautiful, you know, people are saying this about me. So, like, it kind of just, I just reflected back in the past on, like, my upbringing and everything I dealt with. And, you know, just touched my heart. And I just cried. I had no choice but to cry. Yeah. That was a very special moment that I think really bonded you two together and really, I think you definitely shown stepped up, stepped out, and obviously so much so that

you got that first group date, Rose. So you're the oldest, correct? So I'm not. I'm actually the middle child. Oh, okay. Oh, my gosh. No way. I'm a minute. Yeah, I have two older sisters and two younger. You, I'm assuming, I mean, obviously I'm just getting to know you more right now, but you seem like the best man at that point in time to go and pull her aside and really have that hard to heart conversation with her. I can't imagine anyone else like, you know, having the same sentiment or even just being able to like give her that same feeling and level of emotion. It was really special to watch. Of course. Of course. Yeah, just, it was just a natural feeling. Um, you know, and I, I peeped, like, a lot of the guys didn't really like understand, you know, where she was coming

from, you know, and just the fact that I understood and, you know, we had that connection. that just that meant a lot well i think it means a lot for a couple of reasons but um number one it's a huge huge huge plus to a relationship or just a bond that you have when someone can understand the struggles that you've been through but you didn't just understand it from like a black man's perspective you understood it on a very different level because you have sisters that have come to confide you and you know what it's like for a woman to be at their lowest point coming to you and like help build me up and build them back up. And so I think that's why Michelle got so emotional is because she truthfully felt seen by you and heard and understood

and that you could relate to her. So I think that was just so beautiful. And I really do commend you for being vulnerable with her and honestly really grabbing her and putting her in your hand and like trying to show that you really cared about her because yeah i think that's what really um is special and can make a relationship and and a bond like you know go through all the hardest challenges in life is if you have that so i thought that was i was emotional watching that so i truth really you that was amazing on your behalf she needed she needed she needed the support in that moment and you definitely gave that to her and i won't say there's nothing more attractive than a man who respects women and can kind of understand

the struggles they've gone through. And I think she really appreciated that. I do want to ask you, though, since you do have four sisters, do any of them watch the show? And how do they feel about you being on the show? I'm sure they have to listen to opinions. She asked me how my mom feels oh my gosh she's like she's like let me do you're going to the bachelorette to get married huh oh man she was like really tripping but uh because she she she's seen like previous seasons and um she just didn't like how you know certain people acted and she just in her mind is like you know, going on a bachelor's not a place

for her son to, you know, find love. But I told her, like, you know, it is possible. You know, people find love anywhere. People find love in clubs, you know, restaurants. So, you know,

it doesn't, it doesn't matter if it's, you know, reality, TV, or or not, you know? But my sisters, they were supportive. Honestly, they were supportive. They were like, go. go look go get your girl you know and um you know so they they were just they're always

supported with me you know whatever whatever i do they always got my back good what's it like knowing that they're watching you make out on national television oh my god it's so never we've all been here we get it we know if there's anybody that understands we do okay so it definitely is nerve-wracking like my my younger sister my youngest is 15 and she she just makes weird faces like like like you're kissing and on TV millions of people are watching and I'm like yeah You're like, take no, sis, take notes, that's right. You know, go over here. You're like, that's how you get the group dearest, sis.

But, you know, it is what it is. They know, they know exactly, you know, what my goal is and my goal is to win Michelle's heart. So I have to do whatever I can to, you know, make sure I'm noticeable by her. Right. Speaking of getting that group date rose, how much did it mean to you getting that rose at the end of the night, especially after being together with Michelle and connecting with her on a different level? Man, this far, just seeing guys getting their one-on-one time with Michelle and receiving the roles, I didn't know when my time, you know, will come, you know. And, you know, me receiving this group date rose during this group date, it just meant the whole world to me. It honestly, that was just confirmation that, you know, I'm acknowledged by Michelle.

That was like a stamp of approval. Like, I approve you old, like, you know, keep working, you know. You got other guys there, but keep going. I see you. Yeah. You both saw each other that. day. And I will say, coming from somebody who never once received a group date rose when I was on The Bachelor, it's a big deal. That's a really big deal.

Something that I, that just came to my mind that I'm interested to ask you, because you seem just like, like, how do I want to say this? It's like, chill but confident. Like, you just kind of know yourself. So do you feel like going through this season? Because it, you know, it's a very weird thing to do to sign up for in the first ways that not many people can relate to do you feel like throughout the entire time you were there that you were really still able to be yourself to be open like did you feel like you had to alter in any way or did you feel just pretty settled yeah um you know i've always i'm a man who you know i haven't always been confident you know confidence was something that uh i've learned uh you know throughout my life

but uh going into this um you know with 30 other guys you know my mentality was just to be myself you know my my energy speaks for itself like people feel my energy when I'm in the room so I don't have to do too much to make myself noticeable like people just know I'm there and um they also know not to fuck with me so they know that all right well jumping ahead to now the cocktail party um it was an interesting night you know we obviously saw chris s speak up speak out in a way that i don't think definitely did not rub any of the men the right way um did you agree with anything he even said and in your opinion were there guys there who had actually thought or had said they had it in the

bag or had i guess michel in the bag honestly me hearing chris as saying that you know certain guys or honestly i took it as everyone everyone had it in the bag you know that that was like um it's a stab you know stab in the heart because it's like like bro like you know when when do you see me you know just relax and just thinking everything is good that right you know that i'm going to win it all so um you know i feel like this is something you just pulled out his ass and he just wanted to start controversy you know his little man syndrome

kicked in you know clearly he was the only guy there who hasn't really gotten the most time with the show I think he was the only he was the only man there with the least amount of time so yeah that stunt that he pulled it was kind of BS

he wanted to make more time for himself and that's just what he did oh for sure yeah yeah people try to find ways to like stand out and that's just not the way to do it um how did you feel about him singling out Nate specifically I mean Nate uh Nate is he was the the frontrunner the guy with the first uh the first rose you know and um him yeah first impression rules um and him

just pinpointing Nate um you know that's that's that's kind of an asshole move but I wish he kind of just like called out more names too but I felt like Nate was just the best the most easiest target since he got the first impression rules right there's one moment where I actually kind of gabled as it was happening because we see you after he has this whole speech with Michelle um you asked Chris if he thought he would be getting a rose and then Chris kind of what I would call spiraled and like he was immediately offended like he could have just answered, yeah, I think so. You know, he didn't have to keep going, but can you explain more of why you thought he

maybe wouldn't get one? And then obviously, how did you feel when he got the very last rows at that row ceremony? Yeah. You know, I asked him, I asked him if he think he's going to get a rose. You know, I honestly felt like, you know, these were his last moments, you know, having an opportunity to win Michelle's heart. he pulled that BS stunt and yeah

for me to see him get the rose at the end I was like in complete disbelief I will say from what it seems like Chris S is just a big talker you know like after you ask him about the rose he then continues to be like once I get that rose I'm going to wink at Olu and you know till I think you

I was just like dude less is more in moments and that is a moment that you should just not say anything um but did you i think he i don't i don't think he did anything when he got that rose but did he wink at you or look at you or do anything in that moment he didn't but i would have popped his face real quick oh wow without the teddy bear without the teddy bear putting back in that ring i'm glad i'm flat i'm a pacifist i'm a pacifist okay well speaking of you will belong perfectly in minnesota because i'm from minnesota and we're

I was just going to say that. We're very passive aggressive. Passive aggressive. Oh. How did you feel or how excited were you when you found out you'd be traveling to the good old Midwest, my home state of Minnesota? Minnesota. Minnesota. Yeah.

So honestly, I didn't know you were from Minnesota, but that's pretty cool. But, you know, honestly, for me, me knowing like I was going to our hometown, like, that was just, that was great. You know, because, you know, I've never been to Minnesota. and honestly, I thought Minnesota was kind of like a country type of place, you know, farmland and all that stuff. Most of it is.

You're not wrong. We were in like the heart of downtown. I think this was the issue. Yeah. Yeah, I think you're right. You were in the good spot. I mean, I love the cities. I love the Twin Cities. So you were in a very good spot. I really, I have no idea what's to come, like what you

guys did on your dates or anything. But you were there at a perfect time. Like, it was still warm it was i'm assuming sunny uh yeah how did you like it oh it was it was great i had a good time um you know the dates like going to the biking stadium like that was like that was a great moment like i've never been center field at a stadium ever and that was probably like once in a lifetime experience so just me seeing how beautiful the city was and how clean like it was great I enjoy my time and just me knowing I was going to Minnesota like I knew that was one step close to you know actually being to being pick behind the show I mean it was a big deal you guys

were going to heard hometown and it's the first time that the show had traveled so I was bachelor in a pandemic and so I know what that feels like to stay stagnant in one spot granted I actually loved that but um it was really exciting though kind of felt like you know the show is coming back to what it usually is and I know I got a second one so that was fun to take you guys out there and have fun. I can't wait. So we have two more questions for you

and then we're going to get into a game but if you can give us a one sentence teaser of what's to come without giving too much away, without giving you know, spoiler's away, what would it be? What's yet to come? That's a good question. Like three words to describe what's to come.

It's going to be bloody. I was not expecting that. It's going to be bloody. What? Is this the Bachelor at Game of Thrones? What are we watching? I mean, the new season of Dexter? This is, this, it might be.

It might be. But, yeah, what's yet to come? It's, it's, this is survival. of his fittest. Shown, shown in light. Ooh. I love it. I don't even know if that made sense, but hey.

I'm, I'm intrigued. Hey, listen, you hooked me. I can't wait to see how it all unfolds. Okay, so something that we ask all of our guests on the podcast is asking for their rose and thorn. So what has been your rose and thorn of the season thus far? I guess the rose aspect is just me, just growing as a man and just learning to, to be more open emotionally.

You know, I think that's something I've struggled with in the past. And, you know, this show had allowed me to open up and be more expressive. Okay, but then you're thorn. I think definitely the Peter and Will situation, you know, I feel like, you know, both of them didn't see eye to eye. and it was just like, you know, as one guy was talking to the other, you know, they weren't really listening. It just went in one ear out the other. Yeah. I feel like if they both really sat down as men, like they probably could have resolved it.

But Peter Piper Pizza, you know, he wasn't having it. Mm-hmm. Oh, my God. Yeah. What was his call name last week? Doe boy. Do boy. Oh, man.

that hurt you. That irked you, doesn't it? It did hurt me. Like, when they called him Doe Boy, like, he felt cool with his shame. And I looked at him like, oh, my God. It's not Do-Boy. It's not Do-Boy. Well, before we let you go, we love to play games over here. So we're going to give you the Boucherate superlatives, okay?

So basically, we're going to give you a most likely to dot, dot, dot. And you'll just finish the sentence, kind of rapid fire, with somebody from Michelle's season that you think best fits. So to start it out, who is most likely to get the party started? Rodney, for sure. I almost said Nate, but definitely Rodney.

Okay. Okay. Definitely not Joe. Oh, yes. Definitely not Joe. Got it. Who's most likely to start drama? Peter. I can see that. I think that's who he, who will said last week, too.

To, yeah. Who is most likely to get the guys laughing? Rodney. Who's most likely to start a dance party? Rodney. No, I take that back. I take that back. Leroy.

Leroy. I think it's what Bill said to you, or Nate said that. That's so funny. Yeah, Leroy is a good dancer. Very good. That might be the best Best dancer in the house. Ooh, big talk.

Okay. I don't even know that. Well, if we ever have Lee Ryan, I'm going to ask him to bust a move for us. Seriously. I'm a dance off. Who is most likely to cheat to win a group date? Chris S.

Oh, I guess that one. Most likely to steal Michelle first at a cocktail party. Oh, that's neat. Most likely. Who's most likely to skinny dip in the pool? Brandon. Brandon. No.

Yeah, Brandon. There's always like one person on every season I saw her who's just always naked, like when the lead's not around. Was there one guy there? This is not on this game. I just want to know. Was there one guy who's just like, it's you? Okay.

Me? I guess it's me because like, I mean, I was always in my shorts. and just shirtless. You ain't got nothing a hat. Nothing hot. You're like, come out of me, bro. Hey. You got it, flaunted.

That's right. Who is most likely to go to bed first? Joe's. We call him sleepy Joe. So this man sleep everywhere. Like, he sleep on the roof, like on the ground outside. Like, oh, man. He's so chill.

He's so chill. so chill. I was like at one, I think I was watching with one of my friends two or three weeks ago. I was like, I feel like he's going to fall asleep at a row ceremony standing up there. Like he's just yes. Like he's just going to fall over one day. Okay, last

one here. Who is most likely to actually beat you in a teddy bear fight? Clayton. Clayton honestly was my only competition. I thought you were going to say Brie Bella. I did too. I did too. I thought you could say a Bella twin.

But that works. The Bella twins, they will destroy me. I love it. It was such a pleasure having you on. I'm sure you're a busy guy and, you know, your world is probably flipped upside down because of all this.

But thank you for just taking a few, well, I was going to say a few minutes, but we talked for much longer than that, but for taking time to just sit down with us. And I think our listeners are going to love listening to this because we just love to get to know all of you men so much more on a deeper level. And so we so appreciate it. Thank you.

Oh, well, I appreciate y'all having me here. You know, I know you two are more busier than me. So it's an honor and hopefully this is not our last interview. Definitely not. You're welcome back anytime. Thank you so much. So good catching up. If you have a good one. He's so sweet, like so kind. And his skin is like butter in person. like I I love I see this is what I need to know like you actually were with these men up close and personal got to know them so much more than you know us viewers ever will and so yeah he seems like a good dude that's why I wanted to ask him like he just seems so solid in who he is and he comes across that way and so that's why I was really interested to be like you know

did you feel like you changed it all or were you just you this entire season yeah no I think that honestly I think he was genuinely himself but also he grew a lot throughout this whole process like a lot of the guys do but he just kept coming out of his shell and kept trying to be more vulnerable and open as you can tell and I don't know he was always someone that kind of pulled up my heartstrings and he also pulls at Michelle's so I'm a huge fan of him I'd like just after seen him last night how he handled the entire situation with Michelle and feeling unseen and just really being able to relate to her because of his his past and his upbringing in his sisters, I thought was so, so special. And I'm glad that he was

able to feel comfortable enough to share that. Because it's one thing to just share with the partner, but then to open up in front of millions of us viewers is not easy. But I'm so glad we had him on. So a huge thank you to Olumide, Big O for being here today. And an even bigger thank you to all of our Bachelor happy hour listeners who stick by us week by week. absolutely and make sure to hit us up on social at bachelor happy hour on instagram on instagram and twitter at batch nation on ticot and twitter and then bachelor nation on facebook and as always please don't forget to subscribe to our podcast if you don't know how to do that we say week after week but you can find us on apple podcast Spotify the Wondery app

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