Bachelor Happy Hour - Overnights and I Love Yous

Episode Date: March 18, 2025

Today on “Happy Hour,” Joe and Serena are recapping Grant’s Fantasy Suites episode! We kick off the episode getting into girl chats featuring Daisy Kent, Rachel Nance, and Kaity Biggar! What do the pairings tell us about Grant’s connections? Then, we dive into all the details from each of the overnight dates: Who has the best shot at claiming Grant’s heart? And, of course, we get into our thoughts on Zoe’s elimination. Tune in now and be sure to subscribe so you never miss an episode! See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Search All the Smoke and listen now Hey everyone Welcome back to Betcher Happy Hour I'm Joe And I'm Serena And we are here to recap Overnights Also something I want to just plug right at the beginning

Because I will be looking at my phone Because that's where I keep my notes But you'll be able to see me look at my phone Because these new episodes are going to be on YouTube Starting today Yeah for everyone that wants to throw us on their phone or their TV and watch us chat to one another you can find all of our episodes on the bachelor nation YouTube channel watch away I have a little bit of a tan right

now so I was just in Florida so um if you guys are wondering if you're watching this if you're watching yeah okay overnights overall what did you think of the episode I thought it was good pretty standard pretty smooth no shocking moments no drama. I personally really like the sit down chats, the girl to girl sit down chats that they've started to incorporate into the fantasy suite episodes. I think it adds a little something that's necessary. And I like to see the cameos from Bachelor Nation favorites. And yeah, I think it's a perfect time in the season for these moments of like support and advice from past contestants because it is probably the most emotionally complicated week. Yeah. When you

Put it like that, I agree. Okay. How did you feel prior to me saying that? I don't know. I don't really, I don't have anything against them. I sometimes I'm just like, okay, like. You don't feel like it adds a lot for you? Yeah, like it's not, it's not, but when you say it like that, it makes a lot of sense because I guess it is important to get advice from someone that's done it before because, you know, like, it could be confusing.

So that, I think that makes sense. But, like, as a viewer, I'm not, like, popping out of my seat to, like, hear this conversation. No, I get that. It's not necessarily juicy. But I will say I feel like it's very telling who they get matched up with. I feel like you can pull a lot of information from who is talking with who. I also think they're going to start switching that out. No, and as they should.

But as of right now, you know, it's, it's given away some stuff, in my opinion on where the, where the rankings are at. We got Katie Bigger, who's got engaged. We got Rachel Nantes, who was third. And we have Daisy, who was second. We've got someone from every position. So, like, for me, I'm like, okay, what are we trying to say here? Yeah. How did we match up who with who?

Is this giving away some predictions, right? Well, I mean, first up is Juliana, and she has a call with Daisy. So are you saying you think Juliana? is number two. I think that as of week three, I feel like as a viewer from this pairing and from just watching the entire episode, Juliana is falling in that second place spot at the moment

in terms of where Grant's feelings are at this specific week. I also think that they're pairing people up based on similarities of their experiences. Like we see Rachel and Zoe talk and Rachel during her fantasy sweet week had the least time with Joey out of, of all three of the girls and Zoe's also in that position. So it's not just like where maybe they're ranking,

but also who has something in common with who. Didn't correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Daisy send herself home? Yeah, she did. Okay. She did. Okay. But I mean, I think had she not sent herself home,

Joey would have sent her home. Yeah. Because I think he was going to inevitably end up with Kelsey. I think out of the three girls left who I would, who I could potentially see sending themselves home. would be Zoe. You felt like Zoe might send herself home this week. I, yes.

I could, I thought there was a chance. I kind of thought that going to the episode and then hearing her talk with Rachel, I was like, oh, she's like way more in on this than I maybe expected her to be. I, I thought with their date because it was like also like,

it's always like I want to get to know him more. And they're like, you can't talk for the yoga date. I was like, that could be a, could be a problem definitely a problem but let's let's back up and start with juliana's one-on-one date so what did you think of her conversation with daisy she kind of opens up about the fact that they have said they're falling in love with each other which is obviously a big deal at this point

and she talks to him about the fact that her ex had cheated on her a lot in her words she said he had a bunch of chicks on the side yeah and daisy kind of said i saw a lot lot of myself and juliana and encouraged her to just like relax and open up they feel like their similarity here was they both had their guards up on their own seasons yeah i think and i and i think juliana did that so i think whatever the advice daisy gave her i think she put it into play which it was a good thing yeah i feel like all three of the girls actually put the advice they were given into play i mean for me the i would say if i i i would say if i i If I was a contestant, the conversation where I would have felt the most motivated or just, like, really excited to be here was Katie.

I think Katie really laid it out, like, because. Well, she had a really intense fantasy suite week and went through a lot and still ended up with the lead, which was Zach. And they're still together and very in love. So, like, that is not only the goal, but just a great person to get advice from. Yeah. But I think Juliana and Daisy's chat was good. It was sweet. It was good.

It kind of teased where Juliana was going to take her one-on-one time with Grant, which they go ATVing, four-wheeling. What is it? Is an ATV? Yeah, ATV, four-wheeling. I think those are different things. I think they're the same thing. I think an ATV is a four-wheeler. Well, yeah, it definitely has four-wheels.

I just... Yeah, it's an ATV. It's a four-wheeler. It's like a... But I think an ATV is like roofless and it's like a more of like a big bike situation, whereas this had two seats next to each other. I don't know. Okay. Well, they were on a moving vehicle.

Yeah, they were... Splashing through the mud. Yeah, we see, we see an ATV. We're going to call it an ATV for the sake of this. It is. Okay, fine. They were in a moving vehicle. We see a lot of those dates.

Yeah, we've seen this day before. Yeah, I don't... I don't know. personally like something's I mean something's still missing for me with with these two I don't know what it is yet

yeah but because she does open up she opens up about being cheated on I think she opens up about like being scared of being in a serious relationship and like they are really and they're at the step now of engagement

I think Grant receives the information well I think he handles it and he seems to really like her no they definitely seem to really like each other i agree with that and i always say like i can't even imagine how how difficult this process would be for someone who was cheated on let alone it sounds like she was cheated on multiple times by this person to then come in and have it be you're dating someone who's dating other women and then there's fantasy suites with other women like it's got to just feel very triggering i think juliana's just been such a slow burn, I think it's evident her connection is not as developed as Littias.

Yeah. Like when I watch it, I feel like when I watch Juliana and Grant, I'm watching like a developing new relationship where when I'm watching Latia and Grant, I feel like I'm watching two people that have been together for a very long time. I agree. So like it's just hard to feel like Juliana and Grant are like end game. when I just don't feel like they're there yet because Julian has really only started opening up

in the last few weeks. And she's still, and it doesn't, it's not really giving off that she's completely like over her past relationships and being cheated on. I think she still, I mean, I just think she's still like struggling a little with it, which is normal.

But it doesn't, like, I don't know, when she opened up to Grant, it felt like this is potentially like the first guy she's opened up to and that's pretty like I see what you're saying and I think that we are often surprised by contestants that come on and open up so fast so early we're like whoa you know give it a week or two have a little fun flirt a little but I'm really seeing how late she's opening up now she's like she's out of that middle pocket to where we're like okay he definitely really likes her because she's opening up at a much later time than we see often like usually

this would be something that comes out on the one-on-one day before hometowns right or like during hometowns but we've gotten through like a lot of milestones but she also said that when she came on the podcast that she's someone that takes a long time to open up i mean she told us in the podcast that she told him i don't want a date till later yeah which is which is a crazy move yeah but i mean it's worked out for her so far you know he seems to maybe it honestly maybe her pace aligns more with what Grant's paces. Maybe he's also someone that is not comfortable with all this, like, intimacy and opening up until later on. And that's why this is working.

I actually agree with that because I feel like when Latia starts mentioning children, there's a little bit of hesitation from Grant. And like, we don't get that from Juliana. So that's a, that could be a point in Julianna's favor. I will say Juliana said something at the end of the date. She obviously agrees to go into the room. the overnights um and she said distance is hard when he's with other girls and like that's got to be if you are really in love with the lead and you are first up yeah that has got to be almost like next to impossible like that is that's that's really hard well because you've got to kind of be like

how do i play this like do i do i go all in and try to like seal the deal here with this guy and like really be vulnerable and like spend an amazing night together knowing that like i've got to now sit on that for two days wondering if he has like developed a better connection with someone else or had a better overnight with someone else or do I kind of hold back a little bit to protect my own feelings and like I don't know I feel like the first fantasy suite

might be the hardest one it has to be I mean it really has to be but then the last one you're sitting all week wondering what the hell he's doing with the other girls yeah but then you get some confirmation from him once you're in the fantasy suite you'll at least get a feel for it where when you're first up

it could have went like it could have been the best overnight date to that point to that point and then like the next one could be better and you have no idea and now you're sitting there spiraling and whereas if you're the third you're going to set you're going to be able to sense you're like if the other ones were like amazing and he's like more reserved or if you know you might be in that kind of like leader spot and like you know it's part of the show but there's not one single person in the world I mean well I guess I guess I guess like swingers and shit but like there's nobody in the world that's like oh i i i want the person i am

in love with to be intimate with someone else like what the fuck that's like that's that's not an easy pill to swallow and it is something when you like if you agree to go on the bachelor or bachelorette it is something that you have to be okay with but not not easy no not easy at all not easy at all um but they end the date it seems to go well um juliana does say she wants grant to be her person forever which i feel like it's kind of the first time i'm hearing her say that of like yeah this is like i don't know i feel like up until this point i'm like does she want to get engaged to him does she not like where is she at and i feel like now we're starting to see her put her foot down a little bit more and be like no yeah he's the guy that i want i want to end up

with him at the end of this. Yeah, we'll see. We'll see. We'll see. I'm Jemel Hill, host to the Sports and Politics Podcasts, Politics. And on the latest episode of Politics, House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries joins me for a candid conversation about the state of the Democratic Party.

What do Republicans say to you privately that they won't say publicly? Many of them are in fear of their political lives, and that's been part of the challenge. but we continue to say to them, you were elected to defend your constituents, to stand up for your constituents, and there's life after Congress. And you should be willing to actually want to be able to look back

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walks into a comedy club I know it sounds like the start of a bad joke but that really was my reality nine years ago. I just normally do straight stand-up, but this is a bit different. On stage stood a comedian with a story that no one expected to hear. The 22nd of July 2015,

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What was his name? I think Zach? No, it wasn't Zach. It was a different white boy name. But anyway, they were together. They obviously know each other or now know each other. Matt, his name is Matt. Yeah, I remember him.

Okay, they were seen together. Okay, yeah, because they're friends, I'm assuming. I guess. They were either friends, I don't know, prior to the show or have become friends since. If they become friends since, that's super random. If they were friends before the show, that's just like a crazy story. small world yeah i would love to hear i would love to hear his take on the show because he mad's take because he had a very strange experience yeah but i mean his he knew what he was walking into

with his strange experience kind of yeah yeah but maybe it's random i mean that's a random uh random pairing i know just thought we should call that out yeah it's just like a fun random fact but anyway jumping to Zoe, who's next. She had her one-on-one chat with Rachel, who also had, as you said earlier, the least amount of time going into Joey's top three. I guess Kelsey and Daisy must have both got two

one-on-one dates, if that was the case. Kelsey and Daisy. For her to have the least one-on-one time, or maybe she just, like, didn't get as much extra time or something. Yeah, maybe. And it was mostly just like a positive uplifting conversation. Nothing too juicy. Rachel was uplifting.

ask you know saying like you know ask questions be intentional but also like have fun enjoy it which i think is good advice people need to have more fun on the show sometimes yeah i agree but like if i'm zoe and i get rachel i'm like i'm not the one damn especially when i hear that look yeah got katie bigger but not saying we like one better than the other just like rachel went home after fantasy suites and katie is engaged well if i'm if i'm zoe i just i'm just going back and like just matching it up in my head of like oh i have the person who also didn't get a one-on-one date who also she did one-on-one date oh she did yeah she had a one-to-one date in spain remember they did that like spanish dancing date oh yeah yeah yeah but like again not a lot of time compared to

the other two not a lot of time and just yeah like also goes home this week if i'm zoe i'm chatting with rachel great conversation obviously we love rachel but i'm yeah i'm putting the pieces together. I'm going on my one-on-one day. I'm shutting the fantasy sweet door and I'm looking Grant dead in the eye being like, am I going home this week? Like, be so for real with me right now because I'm not, I'm, I'm picking up what's getting put down in front of me. I believe you would do that. I know, but I don't, no one does. No one does. I don't believe a lot. I wouldn't do it. Maybe I think I would because I've never been in that position. I feel like I would though. I think you would. It's part of your personality, but I don't think a lot of people are like, you're very

forward. Yeah, that's true. You are also, yeah, I think you would have, you're also somebody that probably would have been able to shut off her feelings a little bit before, like you would have asked that question with like your guard up. Well, I would have asked that question. I would only ask that question if I was pretty sure that I was going home. You know what I mean?

And then if I thought I was ending up with him, my question would be, are we ending up together? And if I was him, I would be like, you got to wait and see. I know you would do that. Anyway, so Zoe says, you know, I want to leave fantasy sweets knowing he's choosing me. That's my man. So all three of these girls are in.

All three of these girls are ready for the proposal, which we don't always see. Usually someone at this point is like still feeling hesitant, still feeling unsure. And I feel like it was Juliana, but I feel like they've all kind of gotten to that point where they're like, all right, I just want to know that I'm the one and I can, you know, move into the next few weeks knowing I'm getting engaged. but the date is quiet yoga red flag terrible sign terrible sign for zoe yeah i feel so bad for her this whole day she's going in being like i want to chat i want to i need to know like he knows a lot about me i need to know some more about him and then it's like shut up and do yoga literally and like she

clearly doesn't like yoga she's saying it grant clearly doesn't like yoga so not only do they have to stay mute they're doing an activity that neither of them enjoy so they're just like silent and miserable. Yeah, but that's also, but that's a good way to bond. That's like, because you can talk shit about it after together and be like, oh my God, that sucked, which is like, you know, amazing bonding. But I would just feel like it was an hour of wasted time when you get so little time in this process to be doing something for an hour. I mean, I guess a lot of the one-on-one dates aren't necessarily like conversations, but you can at least like laugh together and make a joke and like kind of create like small pockets of

connection. I think it's hard when you're on your own mat, doing your own thing, not engaging. Yeah, they were laughing a little bit. They were chuckling. Yeah. I think I think I, I, I, I, you think it wasn't that bad? No, and I also think like

for Zoe, it was probably like this is like worst case scenario and I think when you go into something where it's like, this is like horrible. Right, your expectations kind of go out the window. Yeah, the fact that they were able to have fun with it probably made them feel a little closer that's true that's a good way to look at it um so then we go to the night

portion so we kind of just talks about how she felt really uncomfortable doing yoga and you know they bond over that and then she asked grant to tell him a little bit more about herself or sorry himself i wrote i wrote grant said maybe we are what we are supposed to be oh did he say yeah he did say that to her face so yeah exactly like right to her face maybe we are what we're supposed to be. Maybe we are what we're supposed to be. Like basically like this has gone as far as it's going to go. We're just meant to be, you know, a couple on the bachelor. Yeah. Yeah. And I can't, I can't believe that went right over my head. I can't believe you didn't catch that either. Yeah. And then I wrote Zoe, Zoe, Zoe said hard to crack having the favorite. Oh. It's interesting. She said I, I heard that that she said he's

hard to crack. Yeah. Because I find, I think Zoe would be considered someone that's hard to crack. Oh, I think Grant's hard to crack. No, I agree with that. And then they also have, you know, they're having the favorite color combo at this point. That's not, no, if you're having the color con, usually the color combo comes up during a first date when both parties know, this is as far as it's going to go. Way down the line, like as a joke, like, oh, what's your favorite color?

Because you know what? No one has one and it's ever changing. Yes. And like nobody cares either. No one. It's not true. It's not important. Like I could care less about your favorite color.

I also could care less about my favorite color. No, exactly. I am so. That's the most important part of that, save it. So not interested in colors. What is your favorite color? Do you have one? It's ever changing.

But I would say like if I had to like lock it down like favorite color, probably like a like a forest green. yeah yeah love that thank you it reminds me what's that song from frozen that olaf sings you're not gonna know it and then zohy said i don't know much about you yeah okay so that was those we don't know much about each other they get a day where they can't talk and grant says maybe we are what we're supposed to be i think we're leave we as viewers are leaving this day being like it's not zoe we love you zoe but it's not gonna be you they do overnights they have a beach morning talk she feels good he's happy i just feel like i mean she goes

home yeah so so we're also i guess like we could like look she didn't get a one-on-one date i personally can't move past that i can't see the person who doesn't get a one-on-one date before hometowns ending up with the lead that will happen eventually you think it'll happen eventually after 25 seasons of the bachelor 20 30 what are we at not only do i think it happens i think it happens next season now. I hope so. I hope so. That would really throw me for a loop. Okay. And then we have last up is Latia. Latia and Katie. I love Katie so much. I think she does such a good job in this conversation. You're biased. I like Katie too, but she's a Canadian. I know. Guys, I'm biased towards Canadian. You are. But that's fine. But Katie's great. Katie's great. And I really

like the way she approached this conversation. She had such a zest I know but she is she really I like I would be I would have felt so good about myself in this experience and where I am and just feeling okay with all of it

after this conversation I think that's really important I kind of related to like just being in paradise when Dean and Kate came down and I remember I didn't think like I didn't think like I didn't think like I would be affected by anything like that. But it really did make me feel like, okay, like this is, we're in a bubble. This is crazy.

But like it all slates out there. It also works. Yeah, it works. It works. And Latia kind of talks about the fact that she doesn't want to hear about the other dates, which obviously is very relatable to what Katie went through for if you didn't watch, Zach was the bachelor during fantasy suites. He declared, I'm not going to sleep with anyone.

And then Katie. got the third fan or the third date and he told her he was intimate with someone which it was literally just a total mess of a situation um so she really went through the ringer and i think lydia was like look kind of the same mentality as katy right everyone goes into fantasy suites with a different mentality we really see people on all ends of the spectrum and katie and lydia seem to be aligned in their sense of like whatever happens happens i don't want to know about it because I don't want to spend our time talking about your other relationships or for me to be mad at you. I'm going to just turn a blind eye while we're here.

And if we end up together, we will face it together when we have, you know, unlimited time to unpack and talk through everything that went down on this journey in this kind of isolated unusual experience. So I think Latia actually left it with like a lot more confidence and like a game plan moving forward on how she was going to approach this date with Grant. And I think it went really well. Yeah. And it was, it's probably like the best game plan you could have. have like it's probably the healthiest approach i think so too um yeah but she she calls it this is not honesty hour which i thought was funny but they go on the zip line for their date um fun great she gets nauseous a little thick but which is not like well like being not like being nauseous

is the worst feeling it's like being nauseous is number one and then having a sore throat is number two And then on like your date that's supposed like this is like the sexiest date of all. Yeah, it's meant to be. It's meant to be it's overnight. It's the first time you're, you are potentially going to be having sex with. It's, you know, they're, they're, you don't want to be nauseous. You don't want to have tummy troubles. You want to feel sexy and romantic.

even if you're not having sex at night. Yes. You wanted to feel romantic, intimate, like all the things. Yep. She's not feeling great. I think it was Grant that said this, that he wants to bridge the gap from falling in love to being in love. And I thought that was a big statement because we haven't seen him say that with anyone else.

Yeah, they're hanging out by a sonote. So gorgeous. This was like the lighting. They both looked amazing. She has such good posture. Oh my God. The one thing I'm nervous about was. with us being on YouTube now is everyone's going to see that I'm a hunter.

Yeah, but you know, you're, there you go. Thank you. It's not my fault. We have a cloud couch. Latia said she would be open to moving to New York. Should we move to New York? So she's really thinking, she's thinking down the line. I mean, Latia should be.

Like, he's giving her that, that reassurance that there's a good chance that they end up together, you know? So if I'm her, you have to start thinking down the line like, hey, can this actually work outside of here if I'm going to be the one. you know am i taking that step with this person with plans in place yeah out of all the three out of all the these three women if it's not letia at the end i would say she is going to be the one that's the most heartbroken oh yeah i mean i mean as a viewer really seems like they're locked in yeah and i mean if there was going to be a bachelorette season and if it wasn't letia i would say she is guaranteed to be the bachelorette because it is really seeming like that is going

to be his girl or it's going to be a very, very big heartbreak. She feels so strongly. She says Grant actually doesn't seem into her. What? I'm Jamil Hill, host of the Sports and Politics Podcast Politics. And on the latest episode of Politics, House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries joins me for a candid conversation about the state of the Democratic Party. What do Republicans say to you privately that they won't say publicly? Many of them are in fear of their political lives, and that's

been part of the challenge. But we continue to say to them, you were elected to defend your constituents, to stand up for your constituents. And there's life after Congress. And you should be willing to actually want to be able to look back on your time in the House of Representatives knowing that you can keep your head held high. you did the right thing. Donald Trump is gone in three and a half years. But their legacy or their failure to stand up to the extremism and the unprecedented assault on America as we know it will be with them forever. Make sure to listen to Spolitics on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Hi, my name is Enya Humanzor. And I'm Drew Phillips. And we run a podcast

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And you'll meet the team behind the scenes at Othrum, the Houston Lab that takes on the most hopeless cases, to finally solve the unsolvable. Listen to America's Crime Lab on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. My name is Ed. Everyone say, hello, Ed. I'm from a very rural background myself. my dad is a farmer and my mom is a cousin, so like, it's not like...

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Available now. Listen to Wisecrack on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What would you do if one bad decision forced you to choose between a maximum security? prison, or the most brutal boot camp designed to be hell on earth. Unfortunately for Mark Lombardo, this was the choice he faced. He said, you are a number, a New York State number, and we own you. Shock incarceration, also known as boot camps, are short-term, highly regimented correctional programs that mimic military basic training.

These programs aim to provide a shock of prison life, emphasizing strict discipline, physical training, hard labor, and rehabilitation programs. Mark had one chance to complete this program and had no idea of the hell awaiting him the next six months. The first night was so overwhelming, and you don't know who's next to you. And we didn't know what to expect in the morning. Nobody tells you anything. Listen to shock incarceration on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts,

or wherever you get your podcasts. Guys, for those watching, we turned a lamp on because it's 7 p.m. in New York City and it's getting dark out. Do you think Juliana would be the bachelorette if Grant broke up with her? Yeah. I think that Juliana or Latia, who we now know are the final two girls, I think either one of them would be very strong bacheloretts. I mean, when Juliana walked out of the limo night one, I thought she was going to be the next bachelorette. Yeah, I think you said that. that when we did our night one recap that you felt like she was kind of getting a bachelorette vibe. I, yeah, I think she could definitely also be the bachelorette.

Yeah. I just think Latia feels more emotionally, it's hard to tell because Latia, it seems like, hard on her sleeve, right? Like, Juliana definitely likes him a lot. We just don't, we're just starting to see it, right? Like she's just starting to show those emotions where Latia is like, let's get engaged and get married and have babies and move to New York together. So it just feels like it'll be a more drastic heartbreak if he doesn't end up with her,

which usually makes for like a big, she's the Bachelorette, like give her her redemption moment. With the information brought to our desk, Latia will have the bigger heartbreak story at the end because we just have so much more. we see that she is fully invested her family is all in there that was like the little bit of hesitation grand had that's pushed to the side so like and you know let's move to New York let's do this where Juliana is opening up about her past relationships at this point Latia has moved on and is already painting the picture of the future for them

and the only other person that did that was Prisa with a fucking PowerPoint. So those would be the two those are the two biggest heartbreaks of the season from me. Teresa and potentially potentially Latia or potentially not. Like we know either one of them is getting heartbroken

and one of them's ending up with Grant. Grant asks her what is your timeline for being a wife and motherhood and Latia basically is like I'm 31 ideally two years I put in my notes Grant's like that's way too fast

mentally I don't I don't know it's hard because I don't think any of us really know where Grant is with that I agree with you and it's so interesting because and we we have seen this before but he started the season like

I'm ready right like I want to wife. I want kids. I want a family. And now that it's in front of him with Latia, I don't feel his certainty or enthusiasm about that happening in such a short period of time. But that also could be because he's undecided on who he's going to end up with and he doesn't want to start diving into those plans with someone that he may not propose to. But yeah, like his energy, and we can be totally off, but his energy is kind of giving like, whoa, girl, hold us. two years what well he doesn't like he doesn't necessarily shut it down it just doesn't seem like which is also fair like i mean it's not like just because he's the bachelor bachelor

doesn't mean he has to have this expedited timeline he just i mean he could be the bachelor like i want to fall in love and i want the beginning of he like specifically has a cast of women in their later 20s because he has articulated that he wants to kind of immediately move into that phase of life and he wants a woman that is ready for it just like he is. So I hope and I think it's fair to assume that he would be ready just like Latia is to kind of get engaged a year later get married, a year later have kids. Yeah. And then Latia tells Grant, don't tell me about the other girls and he's like, I got you. I won't do that. Yep. Um, which, you like to join me honestly that's probably the best thing he's heard yeah he's like

that's great amazing i don't want to so i'm glad bachelor in the history that would have ever taken that the wrong way would have been zach would have been like that's not that's not how this is going to go i'm going to tell you everything that happened i need to get this off my chest but he's like would you want to go uh here's my room key and she's like i'll go to the room but we're not having sex and he's like I respect that which is what he has to say because if he would have said

that's bullshit people would really hate him 100% and so would Latia fair you know fair fair you know if people if he said that people did hate him for it hates a strong word but like fair

no but he seemed genuinely like I respect it like I respect it like i'm because he responded right away and he's like i'm i'm totally good with that do you think grant got down with any of the other women yeah really what do you mean what do i mean what do i mean what do i mean i definitely i i um grant is a hard read i actually gotten like harder to read as the season's gone on i do think it's important though i i do think it's important that letia still did the overnight because you like it is like are it's not a secret like you're off mic so it's the first time you're having an an off mic conversation with a person that you're potentially

about to end up with so I think like it would have been foolish to be like I don't want to spend the night with you like I think that was important um and I think this is so random because I was going to say like I think it would be ridiculous to ever turn down overnight day unless you're sending yourself home even if you're not going to be physically intimate that does not have to be the biggest or only part of your date or any part of your date okay so the date ends with also just because letia was the only one that said I'm not going to be intimate with you doesn't mean the other girls did have sex like you could you also didn't have to like it's something you don't have to disclose you could still go into the fantasy suite and not bone a hundred percent

you could go in open to it you could go in and not say anything until you get in there like we don't know what the other girls boundaries were but grant does say I love you he said I feel like you're my wife and I love you and I went what and she it feels like we're supposed to be together and she said love to me means safety support understanding and kindness and I love you and I was like this is a hallmark movie and you guys are going to end up together or this is going to be a massive heartbreak 100% which I need to stop saying that I say it way too much on this podcast 100% yeah you say 100% a lot I know I'm a lot but whatever you know sorry guys um listen to us you don't you know what was wild is I don't know the last time the lead has said I love you

unprovoked to a contestant usually we see the contestants say it and then you're on the edge of your seat if the lead is either going to be like oh my my god that makes me so happy to hear thank you or if they're going to say it back or if they're going to send them home right i for him to be like i love you you're my wife if i'm litia oh my gosh done deal he's obsessed with me and we're getting engaged is where my head goes well of course how could how could you not but i love them together a lot i think they seem very and she's and she's the last one too which would which would make her feel even more confident well i'm running my ass in a fantasy suite now being like did you say that to

anyone else do you love anyone else yeah i think you would do that but maybe it's for the best i didn't go to fantasy please i don't know if that's an aggressive you're literally yelling at everyone questions and i deserve answers just coming to glen um we go to the rose ceremony girls are freaking he eliminates zoe yeah uh honestly zoe she fought a good fight uphill battle unbelievable performance the whole time very impressive have the classy at the end very classy she started off in such a mess this season with so much drama crawled her way out of it pretty seamlessly with no impact on her relationship made it to hometowns without a one-on-one date past hometowns to fantasy suites and then left on like a really classy note yeah she was she was the

she almost did it she almost did it she was so close odds were against her that would she is who i would have bet in Vegas because her odds would have been so high and to go home or to be at the end to be at the end yeah her odds would have been really high and she really she made it fun to watch this Cinderella story but unfortunately she gone she gone and then we we see a little not even a preview into next week i'm actually surprised they even showed it but Grant talking to his family. Yeah, I was like, I thought it was a preview until like two minutes in. And then I was like, oh, we're still going.

Seems like him and his dad are, his dad seems to be in a really good place. They seem to be in a really good place. I know he's discussed on the season about his father, you know, struggling with addiction. But they seem to be in a great place, which is perfect timing. Yeah, it was really nice to see his family come all together. You know, we know his parents are divorced, but just to see them all sitting there so happy and proud of Grant and just being there

to support him unconditionally was really nice. And I actually feel like we really got to see just like a real side of Grant because he was really like to it. She's like, I'm fucking torn. I don't know what I'm going to do.

And they're kind of like, well, that's a problem. Yeah. He did say at the end of this episode that because we saw, you know, he said it's Latia and Juliana now, right? We're down to two. He said he's in love with Juliana. He said he sees her as his wife. And then

we've got, or sorry, he said that about Latia. And then Juliana, he said, you know, they're falling in love. But he did say, I'm so close to being in love. He said someone else at this point, but we now know is Juliana. Do I stop here with Latia and just say, like, I'm in love with this girl, let's do it? Or do I

move forward and see if Juliana can catch up? Now, he's moving into dangerous territory because it's like you're basically saying do I leave in love with one person or do I stick around to see if I can get in love with two people and then make a decision which is going to be drastically harder but Julianne has been such a slow slow burn that is getting stronger I could totally understand why he's like I want to see if this can evolve into something really strong maybe stronger than what I have with Latia but this is one

Do you want to know what I think? I do. If Latia's first place, okay? Hypothetically. Hypothetically, she's in first. Okay. Like right now, like leaving fantasy suites. Not even leaving, even before, before overnights.

Before today, Latia is potentially the one. Yeah. If she's potentially my one, I feel the strongest about her. and then another woman Juliana is starting to like seep in and like really like I'm now becoming torn I think I go towards Juliana because right because I guess if you were so in love with Latia

you would not even be able to fall in love with Juliana that's what I think I don't know if that's true that could be bullshit that could just be like you know that could just be me or that could just be like what like the romantic way to think about love and it could all just be a bunch of fucking nonsense. But I, that's what I think. I don't totally disagree with you.

I think if Juliana is able to catch up and potentially even like an inch surpass where Latia's at, you got to give that relationship some serious consideration because that definitely says something about, you know, slow and steady wins the. race but at this point i mean i love juliana we had her on the podcast she's so lovely but i do see the connection at this point with lydia and grant looking way stronger um so we'll have to see what happens next episode who do you think it is i mean if you're asking me right now today i'm saying latia but i i'm not counting juliana out of the race yet at all because I do think you're right.

Like she is still talking about her past relationships, whereas Latia is talking about the future. But I think if Giuliana can get to that point, if his family loves her, if they have a few more like strong intimate conversations, there's a chance for her because if it was going to be Latia, I think there's a good shot that Juliana will get sent home next week, like early in the episode.

You know what I mean? Like I think he would sleep on it and be like, no, I'm so in love with Latia. I see a future with her. I'm committed to her. I'm going to let Juliana go. And if he doesn't do that, I think that says something about

where he thinks his feelings for Giuliana could go, which is, I think, past Latia. I think it's going to be Juliana. Really? And I think that, like, from, you know, I've been saying this whole time, Latia and him have the best connection. She's number one.

They have such a good connection. I really do. I think it's going to be Juliana. I think Latia's the bigger heartbreak. and I think Latia is still going to be the next Bachelorette if she doesn't end up in a relationship whenever that show gets picked up again. That's my prediction.

I would love to see her as the Bachelorette. I mean... But I would love to see either of them. It's kind of like a win-win. Either of them would be really good. And yeah, that's that's, that is a Bachelor happy hour episode. Thank you guys for tuning in and make sure you download and subscribe.

And make sure you check us out on YouTube on the Bachelor. nation YouTube account if you want to watch our episodes and we will be coming at you with a recap and an interview after next week which is is it grants finale next week yeah it is wow but we got to go because we're losing light people yeah it's getting dark out here goodbye bye hi hi my name is enya umanzor and i'm drew phillips and we run a podcast called emergency intercom If you're a crime junkie and you love crimes

we're not the podcast for you but if you have unmedicated ADHD Oh my god, perfect and want to hear people with mental illness, psychobabble Yes, yes Then Emergency Intercom is the podcast for you Open your free IHeartRadio app

Search Emergency Intercom and listen now I just normally do straight stand-up But this is a bit different What do you get when a true crime producer walks into a comedy club. Answer, a new podcast called Wisecrack, where a comedian finds himself at the center of a chilling true crime story.

Does anyone know what show they've come to see? It's a story. It's about the scariest night of my life. This is Wisecrack, available now. Listen to Wisecrack on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Every case that is a cold case that has DNA. Right now in a backlog will be ideal.

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