Bachelor Happy Hour - Paradise Tea and Clayton’s Updates! | Golden Hour

Episode Date: July 18, 2025

Today on “Golden Hour,” we’re talking all things “Paradise” AND sitting down with former Bachelor Clayton Echard! We kick things off by recapping this season of “Paradise” so far, Kathy dishes on her first day there and gives us all her hot takes. We even get to know ALL the tea behind her big secret. Then, we get started with Clayton touching base on all his updates--from his health, his court case officially closing, and so much more. What does he have his sights set on next? Plus, Clayton helps us dish out some advice to one of our lovely listeners. Tune in now to hear all this and more and be sure to subscribe so you never miss an episode!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Make sure to listen to this episode of Politics on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Welcome back to Bachelor Happy Hour's Golden Hour. thanks for joining us. We're so excited to be back today. How are you doing, Susan? I'm very excited to be back and chat with everybody and boy, do we have somebody special today. But make sure you guys are still checking out our latest episode. We've been having a ton of fun answering the questions, chatting with our Bachelor Nation fans and giving out the dish and our advice. We're never short of that. Okay, but today, the Goldens have arrived in Paradise. We've got to talk

about it. Wow. What did you think? So exciting coming in. It was so good to see everybody. I'm telling you, riding in on that boat. Yes, it was great. But oh my God, we got to talk about what happened. I mean, yeah. Everybody looked fabulous coming in there. Can I just say everybody looked their best and the surprise look on all the youngers, young ones, I should say. I think they were surprised. It was a great moment. It was a great moment. Can we go? right to the bat, Kathy. Seriously. What's the hell? Okay, let me just say, Susan, you know,

cockroaches, mosquitoes, flies, snakes. I'm good with that. You put a bat anywhere near me. In the little room, I know. I mean, and it was, it was just, you saw. Oh, I was dying. I was so scared. Thank you, Parisa.

You were ducking like it was coming after you. It did. It was coming after. And God bless, Jackie stayed in there, and he's walking around in circles. I'm like, Jack. Really? You think you're going to catch it? Open the door and then somebody find you.

It was Parisa. It was. Yeah. Okay. But we got to talk about the drama. Susie. Oh my God. Oh, my God. I was crying. I mean, he loves her. He loves her. It's so clear. I mean, I don't know. They didn't tell me.

But it appears from watching that he loves her and the shock on her face. I just couldn't. And she didn't want it. I mean. No, I don't know. Yeah, I'm not sure it was a great idea to put those two together so close after their breakup. But, you know, what was that about? I don't know. I mean, I wasn't there yet. So I'm watching it with the rest of you guys, right? You know, the Golden's hadn't arrived when all that mess was going on. But wait, I've got to talk about Jeremy and Bailey. I mean, listen, when first of all, did you catch the lie? Like Jeremy, I'm sorry, buddy. I'm sorry, buddy. I'm,

You see her in her eyes, boy. She's looking right through him. Like, yeah, right. But wait, he says she goes the night before, or according to her on the show, she says she committed to him, I love you, we're together. This is after he's had his date with Susie. The next day, 24 hours later, sure, I'd love to go out with you, Andrew. I don't blame Jeremy for being pissed off.

I don't either. And what does a grown man do when he's pissed off? calls the woman. Is that not typical? Oh, so typical. But, I mean, he said, I gave the rose to, I wish I'd given it to Susie. No, he was just mad.

And in my opinion, rightfully so. Bailey's committed to him within 24 hours. Sure, Andrew, I'd love to go on a date. And as they say in upstate New York, not for nothing, she looked like she had a great time with him. Almost more fun than she was having with Jeremy with Andrew. She looked like she was having a great time with him. What about Jonathan?

Oh, I don't know. And Jill, my heart. Wait, who's your heart at him for, Jill or Jonathan? Well, Jonathan had given Alex the Rose at the second one, right? Yeah. But when she was sharing with him, like, let's be friends. I mean, but Jill would, I felt sorry for Jill. He said to Jill, something like you're giving me pause.

I would think, hey, maybe he does feel something for me. And then he's like, yep, your friend's own, your friend's own. I felt sorry for Jill. That poor girl could not catch a good date. And Allie Joe just got there and she's so darn pretty. You know, we had her on the podcast. I just love her. Love her.

Off she goes. Like you come for a minute and there you're gone. It's that part of the game. Susie gone, Lexi gone. What about Lexi with Justin? Oh my God. I mean, I felt sorry for her too. I know. She knew, like you could just see it. She was so careful to not want to get hurt. And bam, she gets it as well. I mean, we know her, right? We love her. I mean, she's doing great. We had her on the podcast. We've also talked to her. And when I saw her there in the way she was looking and talking about people. it almost felt like where's really you?

Just open up and be authentic, be you. Not that she was faking anything, nothing like that. I think she just felt like she wasn't. Yeah, she wasn't comfortable. Yeah, I think she's more reserved. Okay, I just have to ask a general. I know we don't have a lot of time to go over with this, but I have to say as a golden,

as a golden who was on the show and as a golden who is your friend and just as an English major, what the hell is with the word, Vibing. I mean, if I had a nickel for every time they said vibing last night, the vibe, I'm vibing, well, we're vibing, vibing, vibing, like, what the hell? It's a noun, it's an adjective, it's a verb. I mean, Susan, what does it mean? It's a vibe. You're vibing. You're like, yeah, you're connecting. Yes, yes, yes, yes. That's like, hook it up, Kathman. Oh, God. I mean, the vibe, the vibe here is really hot. We're I mean, I sat there going. The vibe here is really hot and steamy. Like the goldens don't have any. No, I know what it means.

I'm just saying. Yeah. Okay. I know what the word means. I'm saying it's like using the word like. Vibe has taken over the word. Well, that's a new word. Now, Katz, we cannot end this today before we get into our episode without the secret.

Do you want to share? Oh, police. Okay. I didn't think you were going to stand up. I really didn't. I'm waiting. I'm waiting. I'm waiting. Okay. I'm just going to tell you this was Kathy's biggest coup she's ever made in life.

We all know how innocent and pure got married out of high school. We know. She needs some experience. That's right. We heard that when America heard this. But Susan. You see the faces on the young people? Oh my God. Kathy. And Jesse's face. Now, do you want the truth? The truth is. I want, when Jesse said it was going to be a great prize, I thought, I want to win this

prize. So what did I do? I thought, okay, I've got to make up a secret that the young ones will vote for. And what do young ones want to talk about and think about sex? So, Kathy was very careful in her word choice. I didn't say husband because then they would know it was a golden. I didn't say child because, you know, there's no sex involved in that. So I said, I slept with someone when my partner was in the other room the partner was my husband darrell the other person was my two year at the time two year old son douglas who was throwing his guts up and my husband i said go go sleep in another room i got this i'll take care of it so i was sleeping with a child who was projectile vomiting and my husband was sleeping the other room you're gonna have to make a public statement

because the world thinks just when i played never have you ever and i kissed the girl when i was 18 here it was have you had sex with a woman not paying attention i ate my ice cream it was like i needed a public announcement were you shocked were you shocked when you heard it because you know me oh absolutely i was like are you fucking kidding me whoops but anyway listen folks i cannot wait to the next one and watching april hook up with jack was so fun oh my god can i just tell you before we get into the episode i have to tell you i miss that i don't know where I was, you know, probably creating my story. I don't know where I was, but when I ever saw that last night, hooking up with Jack, do you not think my fingers dialed her rapidly on the phone?

Oh, yes, they did. Oh, my God, this is great. Can't wait to the next one. And we better get back to the episode before we devote this whole podcast on us. All right, let's go. Please welcome the formal bachelor, Clayton Eckerd. Hi, Clayton, welcome to Golden Hour. And before we get started, can I please have your curly hair and your gorgeous set of dimples? Please. Hi, Clayton. How are you?

I am doing great. You know what? I'm looking forward to this. I heard that you guys were ready to have a conversation and that I needed to prep for it. I mean, you are easy on the eyes, Clayton. You are easy on the eyes. Tell you, I just want to dance with you, babe. That's all.

I watch them all the time. Yes, we're going to make it happen. I heard that you guys are both the lives of the parties. Yes, and while Susan's dancing with you, Clayton, I'm going to be doing the deep knee bends with you to see how my knees are feeling. So, you know, I've been following. You might beat me. Honestly, my knees are pretty shot from football. I know.

I watched the whole thing about you injecting your knees. Yeah. Are you doing better? You know, I feel like it maybe isn't working as well. I thought. So unfortunately, we're about 30 degree knee bend. Beyond that point, it's the danger zone. Do we want to know, do we want to ask what's new? Like, what happens if that doesn't, are we looking at knee replacement? Because Susan and I have really cute nursing caps and we're available. Okay. You guys are going to do the work for a little bit of a discount? Well, I'll have you up and

walking, trust me. My knees won't be fixed, but everything else. That's right. You'll be up show, I'll be up and dancing. I don't break my heart. I bet you see it would be a heartbreaker. She wouldn't save my heart. I've heard. You know, she's taken. She's in love. Oh, she is. But just tell me one thing about you right now. What's new with you? Yeah, what's going on? Besides the knee, besides? Um, yeah, honestly, I mean, I'm just, I'm, I'm just in a really great place right now. You know, I think, uh, I love that. Yeah, mentally, I've, I've really come into really just finding

what works for me and, and, and, I've been happy. And, um, um, My parents just bought a house out here in Fountain Hills, Arizona. Nice. I have my whole family out in Arizona now, so that's exciting. Where are you from originally, though? You're not from Arizona, are you? No, Missouri. So my two brothers came out here a couple of years before me.

And then my parents, you know, my mom's, she just, well, she was retired as of like a year ago and my dad just retired. So they wanted to be closer to us. That's so awesome. Yeah. So, all right. So before we get into the fun stuff, we, the elephant in the room, if you don't mind us asking, we heard that your false paternity case

has closed. Yay. And we, which were thrilled for you. But how did it feel or how has it felt going through something so personal and having to go through it so publicly? Again, only if you're comfortable. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I appreciate you asking. I, you know, I think at this point, I've gotten so used to just not having privacy, but it's not like in a bad way. I just, I think for me, I'm like, look, if I'm just me and I'm as authentic as I can be, you know, maybe sometimes I'm too honest for my own good, but I feel like as long as I can just be real, then ultimately it all work out. So I didn't plan, obviously, for people to know more about my, you know, the intimate aspects of my life, but that's just the way that it is.

Do you get affected at all by the comments that people put on social media? I did at first when I first came off like The Bachelor, yeah, of course. I was a big time people pleaser. But I've really worked on that aspect of me and I just really don't care about the majority of people's opinions now. So I have self-love and self-confidence. So no. So now when I see them, I mean, maybe, again, will they annoy me slightly? Yeah. But like, do I lose sleep over them? No. Do I think about them more than a couple seconds? No. But you did at one time. Is that what you're telling me? Yeah. Don't we all? I was eating alive by the comments, you know, at first. I mean, God. So tell me how have you moved forward from being the bad guy? Like, how do you do it? Because I will tell you, some people from Golden have not, have really struggled being seen as bad people. And, you know, it affects us all, right? Yeah, I think you have to, I mean, at least what worked for me is to be introspective. So to go within and figure out exactly who I was. Because for a while, again, I was just trying to appease everybody that I was around being a people pleaser.

I didn't like that version of me. So what I did was I started to go internal and say, okay, who am I and who do I want to be? And I'm not really being the person that I actually want to be the real version of me has been suppressed. So in the last couple of years, I've been able to really tap into like my creativity and just the parts of me that I was always fearful of judgment from others. Once you figure out who you are and you stand by and you're confident, I mean, it doesn't really matter what everyone else thinks at that point. So I found like, yeah, once I found love and myself, I was like, look, I don't care. than what you think about me, because this version of me, I love, and then the right people love that much to me.

Not only is he handsome. Is that what broke you in the dance? I'm going to say the guy's handsome. He can dance and he's prophetic. It's amazing. Oh, thank you. Yeah. No, I just, the dancing, yes, was a big part of, like, my rebirth.

That was actually the word that I chose for 2024. Every year I like to choose a word to focus on. But that was the word that I chose for last year. I'm like, look, I want to be reborn into the real version of me. the version of me that I really enjoy being, not, you know, the facade that I'm trying to, you know, hold for everyone to go, oh, that's the, that's the bachelor, right? I placed a lot of that pressure on me. I was like, the bachelor, you know, the most sought after man in America, you know, he's the sweetheart. He's, he can do no wrong. Like, that's what I placed on my shoulders. And that's just, I mean, you can't. You have to be real.

You have to be real. True to yourself, right? But now I am and people, yeah, know too much about me. But I'm like, well, that is what it is. Yeah, but you know what? You have a real smile on your face now. that's genuine. You're bringing out, too, because you guys, I can just have like balls of energy. And when you guys are together, I can't imagine how that goes. Oh, my God. We start a party.

That's awesome. So you guys, I mean, obviously, I would assume, I mean, you're doing the podcast, but you guys are now going on a cruise. Like, you guys formed a pretty solidified relationship, which is awesome. How about you? Whoever you still friends with? There you go. Yeah, so I would say my closest friends, Brandon Jones.

So, you know, from when I was on The Bachelet, you know, Michelle's season. He, but I liked a lot of those guys from that season, you know, like there's, there's Rodney, Nate, you know, I've hung out with a few of them. Of course, some of them have now serious girlfriends and they're in that stage of their life so you don't hear from them as much. And also, I mean, I'm not just to put that on them. I also am one of those individuals that you may not hear from me for a few months and then I come out of the woodworks. That's just the way that I operate. You know, my friends, Clint's just doing his thing for a few months. He'll be back.

So one of the things that when I was reading up on you, Clayton, because, you know, I like to know who I'm dancing with, dancing with, get it, never mind. So you're, you do a lot of, and now hearing you talk doesn't surprise me, you do a lot of talk about mental health for men and you give talk. Can you talk a little bit about that? Yeah. I just think that at least the way, you know, when I was raised, the environment that I was raised within, and I think not even just within the, the, state of missouri i think nationally at the time you know if you were watching movies pop culture had you know men they were alpha males or this is what they portrayed as an alpha male you know or they were a football player elite athlete uh a soldier a warrior with that you know rambo type you know

like that just you know they just like didn't wouldn't shed a tear and if he did it was in the manly as possible way but right just took care of business and and it was as tough as they come right that was the that was how men were shown growing up and I played football which was a very violent sport so again there was no time for emotion if you have issues with you know people go beat them up or go or go hit them hard on the football field it was always physical um so there was a part of me that I never tapped into which was the emotional side and a lot of men that I'm aware of that around my age didn't tap into it either back in the day you know and I say that I say that now. I'm like back in the day. I mean, how old are you, wait, how will you play?

I'm 32. 32. Back in the day when colored TV was, you know, come on. I feel like, at what point can I say that? But it's so true because our parents taught, especially the boys, to suppress the emotion. And you know as well as I do to be healthy, you have to express the emotion, if you will, at least to yourself. Yeah. And that was, that was, you know, big for me to understand. It also was very freeing, but the interesting part was it actually got harder before it got easier because when you have no baseline for emotional intelligence and you start building upon it. And I mean, I had something. It wasn't like a complete, you know, idiot, but I certainly have improved a lot. But the hard part was also you start realizing all these different emotions and

what they feel like. And so then also actually becomes harder than easier. Because now you're overwhelming. Now I feel this emotion. Now I feel this emotion. Okay, now like why I can understand why this happened. And so like it actually brings up a lot and it becomes very overwhelming. So it's important to obviously be talking to people to have a therapist, which I went to. Um, but then over time it starts to like settle down and then you feel like you have, you know, more control. But it's, it's interesting though the dynamic. Like I felt like I was pushing away people, which rightfully saw, I was like, hey, I'm really struggling with my mental help. So my dating life kind of took a nose dive because I think, you know, again, like some women, you know,

are like, look, I don't want to like have a project. I want a guy that's. Emotional. available. Yeah, mostly available, but not, you know, not basically. But also vulnerable. We want them vulnerable, emotionally available. You know, we want them to be able to knock buildings over in a single, you know, we want it all. We want it all, Clayton.

And I want it all too. So, you know, it's fair. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly and now I'm seriously suspicious. Well, wait a minute, Sam, maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the OK story time. podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone. Now hold up, isn't that against school

policy? That sounds totally inappropriate. Well, according to this person, this is her boyfriend's former professor and they're the same age. It's even more likely that they're cheating. He insists there's nothing between them. I mean, do you believe him? Well, he's certainly trying to get this person to believe him because he now wants them both to meet. So, do you? So, do you? He's just a Did we find out if this person's boyfriend really cheated with his professor or not? To hear the explosive finale, listen to the OK Storytime podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. All right, Wes West, Prop here from Hood Politics with Prop Podcasts. You already know our get-down.

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Not, no, not really at the moment. No. By choice. By choice, yeah. If you're just not interested or if you're just not interested or if you're the right one comes along, you wouldn't turn your head. Correct. Yeah, that's going to, I have really high expectations. And I hope that, you know, I can uphold that for whoever I meet that goes,

oh, hey, like this guy is, you know, all that in a bag of chips. That's what I hope. It's got a shit together. That's what I'm hoping for. And I think like, but I also don't feel I'm not, I'm not all the way there yet, which we never are. We never. Clayne, if you, the minute you stop, the minute you stop and say, I'm complete, I'm finished, you're going to be six feet underground.

So, you know, if you're not working progress, you're not growing. No, it's correct. Yeah, exactly. And I know that I'm not looking for like a perfect person like myself as an I'm not expecting my like, okay, Clayton, Clayton, I'm going to wait for like this perfect moment. No, I know that I'll always be a work in progress. But I just feel like there's a few more things still that I'm trying to just really lock in and just make sure that I'm like, okay, I feel really stable with where I'm at. I've got I've got a lot of great things, you know, churning around me. So I'm just like waiting for a few more. Tell us what are these great things. I want to hear. What I mean, there's. I mean, there's. that smile you can't say it Clayton you can't say that not expect us to ask I know you I know but I'll just say that I have some some very fun things swirling around that that people will you know to do with dancing something to do with dancing um I don't want to get too too specific I'm honestly I hate to be that guy you're like oh great Clayton it's like saying I have a secret but I can't tell you wait a second are you going on dancing with the stars are you going on dance with the stars we want to break it on this podcast if you are oh no

That one I can tell you with full certainty. I have not heard a single people. Would you do it, though? Of course I would. I love to dance. Me too. And you're going to pay me to dance, too. What's your favorite?

What's your best step? I'm free. Like, if you want to throw some money my way, I'll pour some of it. What's your best step, Clayton? What's your best move? What's your favorite dance? I, you know, it's either like the, it's called the, it's my favorite one was called the Smease.

It's like, it's like a jump style. I don't, it's kind of hard to explain, but it's that or the doggie. You might, you probably, you guys have heard of the doggie. I'm not, I watch you. I'm telling you, don't see my comments, my heart. No, I follow your stuff, but I just want you, I'm working on the box step. I've got the half the waltz down, you know, I'm looking at the cha-cha. I don't know, the dog?

What are you talking about? No, I mean, look, I think, I mean, how can you not have fun when you're dancing? I mean, even when you're practicing, you know, obviously the feel, it's just so fun. Like, it gets you going. To me, it doesn't even matter what I do. I'm just out there. I feel the beat. I just dance.

And if you don't like it, though, watch, I don't care. That's Susan's motto. No, I know. And that's what I'm saying. Susan, I've heard. I'm like, that you're pretty lively when you go out to these events. You know, if there's a dance floor, you're going to be.

I'm on it. I'm on it. Tell me something you're excited about. You know, I think I've just been excited about everything. About life, right? I mean, and I know it's just kind of a cliche answer, but it's something that I probably wasn't able to say. you know, for most of my life. So I think like right now I'm just in a really awesome spot and,

you know, excited to see like what comes, you know, next for me. What's next? Yeah, like there's, there's just a lot of, you know, I feel like I have all this, you know, these good vibes that I'm just carrying with me right now. And as long as I stay positive, it seems like everything around me falls into place. So that is, that is beautiful. But let me say, Clayton, I think that what you're saying is so important. A lot of life is your attitude towards it. And you have such a positive attitude that your life can't help but go great because you have that positive attitude. And do you feel like being on the show and going through everything that you went through is brought you to where you are today? Like with if you weren't ever on Bachelor or Bachelorette,

do you think anything would be different than how you feel about yourself right now? A thousand percent. Yeah. I really do believe that the show is a major catalyst. Yes. Self-love, which is, which is crazy, you know, even crazy for me to say because, like, depended on what point in, you know, my life after the show that you asked me how I felt about it. I, you know, really hated my experience for probably a year and a half after the show, where I was like, man, I wish I could just go back and redo it over. But then I found, you know, like, I hit that point. They found the silver lining, you know, if I started to be able to forgive myself and just like give myself grace and then start to build back up.

up. I realized at the end of the show, again, I didn't anticipate being a polarizing individual, but I was. So I ultimately had to go, okay, why am I polarizing? What upset people and I found some places in my life areas of improvement. Once I worked on those things, I'm like, wait, I'm actually liking what I'm becoming. I think you're, I like this. Yeah, I mean, what you're saying, at least what I'm hearing is that if you hadn't been the bad guy, you wouldn't have had the opportunities for growth that you've had to bring you to the point where you are today. Yeah, absolutely.

With the curly hair and the beautiful teeth, smile, and dimples. The bachelor gave me the, the bachelor gave me the white teeth. They hit a couple of white teeth whitening treatments. They taught you this. I got to have a thing for that. The curly hair, I just, I always had curly hair. I just didn't put product in it. Now you know how to use it.

Yeah. So I started like, you know, switching things up. Yeah. So you know what's going to happen? We're going to start getting DM, Susan, not for us. They're going to say, hey, can you hook us up with Clayton? We're going to say, we're on it. It sounds to me like you're really, really maturing, okay?

You've hit that spot where your confidence is back and it's about you. Tell me what you think about aging. How do you feel about that? Because you know that's inevitable. It does happen to all of us. My best years are ahead of me. That's the way I feel. I love his attitude.

I mean, how do you all? feel. I mean, again, like, you guys have lived life and, like, look at you with what you're doing right now. I mean, it just gets better and better, doesn't it? It keeps getting better. It's full of possibilities. Yeah, I think Susan and I are poster children,

poster adults, poster seniors, whatever for life is never over, you know, get on and enjoy who we are. Do you know what you guys? You know what you guys really are? I mean, you're like you said, a poster child for, like, it's never too late to try something. Right. Right. That's, that's

I mean, that you guys, to a T. I mean, that is exactly what you all show. People go, oh, reality television, you guys are way past that prime point. No, you're like, screw that. I'm going to go do it because like, look at this. It's an opportunity. I'm jumping on it. And now I think, I mean, I guarantee you if you guys, I'm sure you've inspired people.

I'm sure you get DMs from people saying like you, you know, inspired me to try a new hobby, right? Yeah. Not going on reality television because that, you know, it's bold to throw yourself out there. But, I mean, you guys have to be truly inspiring multiple people, which is awesome. And the best message of Kathy. and I both have coming off that show was telling women, it's not over at 60. You still have, like, we both call it. It's not over at 70, Susan.

The last chapter, the longest chapter, but the best chapter. Because we've done all the work. We've raised kids, grandkids, and so on. And we're true to ourselves at this point. And anything is possible. I'm all about the universe, putting positive, and I attract more positive. of sharing that. Do you think, though, that Clayton, from where you are, like when I was your age, I looked at

my parents and I thought they were old. I think aging, not just Susan and I, but I think aging, the definition of aging, is really changed. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I think nowadays, I mean, again, from, you know, back when my parents were at my age, I mean, there's been all these, you know, lifestyle improvements and new wellness routines that you're able to turn back the clock yeah so you know again like from what my parents back

then i mean i always looked at my parents as i don't even know if i ever attributed an age to them they when i was young they were just my parents um you know and then i just felt like they stayed the same age for so many years of my life until i put a couple gray hairs on their head after the whole show that's how did they handle everything oh gosh i mean my mom is um you know it tore her to shreds I mean, she's, she's, I mean, just very emotional in the best possible way, but she gets really attached, you know, especially, which is awesome to me and my brothers. Like, my mom loves us to death. But unfortunately, whenever, like, somebody says something poor about us. It hurts her.

Yeah. It hurts her more than it hurts us. So that was hard for her, you know. And, but she's, you know, as long as I'm happy and she sees that, then she's now happy again, right? So she's, she's seeing me, you know, progress. And she's like, okay, he's in a good spot. So she's fine. my dad my dad was just like he'll figure it out what the hell yeah my dad was like whatever man

and he at first like didn't think it was he acted like it wasn't all that you know was he the guy that need to work on his EQ well you know he's he's surprisingly has a higher EQ than what I gave him credit for he he he just doesn't express it like he he internally can can vocal or he can vocalize a very intellectual you know our discussion around emotions but he doesn't he never he never speaks up unless like you bring it up to him. So I found that I'm like, oh, he doesn't talk about it, but he actually has quite a bit of intelligence in that realm.

He just decides not to have to say anything about it. Unless he's asked. Yeah. Unless he's asked. I wish I was more like that. I was just going to say, wait, you're supposed to be asked for your opinion? Wait, what? Well, I know.

Yeah, right? I'm like, maybe that's why they put us on these shows because you're like, the person won't stop talking. Kathy, opinion, Susan, opinion, now Clayton opinion. Oh, no. It's all coming your way. You have a lot in common, as I find out, like, a lot of people that go on reality television, you have a lot of commonalities, right? Yes.

Your risk takers, your, you're willing to give it a shot. And you also likely have some type of very unique personality trait. I mean, that's what sells on TV. I mean, if you have a bunch of people that sit in a room and they're all just proper and they're, all right, we'll just wait and see. No, like they want, you know, like entertaining TV sells. And that's why it's extremes. it's like a bunch of happiness or whether it's anger so i realized i'm like with a tv show again

things seem to be more dramatic than what they are they might be dramatic at that moment but then afterwards you're like look i can't be that mad at this person yeah there's points in the past about mad at some of the contestants and they blew that out of proportion but i'm like no they're just doing it because it's tv right they're doing their job right they're doing their job yeah first time on we don't know anything we're just being who we are yeah no but i think i had an experience with um there I won't say her name, but there was someone that I ended up, like, going out on a boat with, with a bunch of other people from the show. And this was, like, before my, the women tell law for my season. So I'm, like, talking to her and everything's going great and we're, you know, we're being friendly.

And there was, like, a week later, we go to the women's tell law or maybe it was a couple weeks later. And she goes at me, like, full-fledged, like, you met, you met, we're messing up. Like, you could have been so much better than what you were? And then afterwards, like, she comes out to me. And she's like, so how have you been? And I was like, what the hell was that? What, really? Where's that come from?

I mean, that's just TV. She's like, it's not a big deal. And I'm like, what? I mean, let me just say, Clay, when I said zip it, I meant it. Yeah. It got me into so much trouble. I mean, so much trouble. It's like, really?

Zip it? Yeah, exactly. I know, I know, right. People will take something and make a mountain out of a molehill. Yeah. But here I, but you know what? I didn't zip it and I have a podcast. So it worked for me.

My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly. I'm seriously suspicious. Oh, wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now, he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone.

Now, hold up. Isn't that against school policy? That sounds totally inappropriate. Well, according to this person, this is her boyfriend's former professor and they're the same age. And it's even more likely that they're cheating. He insists there's nothing between them. I mean, do you believe him? Well, he's certainly trying to get this person to believe him

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dark brown hair slid back. And if you can't have that. That's me and I can dance. That's what's going to come down to. Who can dance a little? Who's actually not even who can dance better. It's just bringing more energy. Just have a beat.

Oh, wait. Wait, did you hear that, Susan? You lose. Who brings more energy? I have the most energy. That is you? It's me, totally. But she won't dance.

I will do. She's practicing. She's practicing. All I need is the effort. Oh, Clay. I'm telling you, I've been looking for him. Here he is right in my screen. All right, we're going to move on.

We're going to move on to our fan questions. You're ready to give some advice. So we give some advice? All right. Go ahead, Susan. Go ahead. Okay, this is from Anonymous. My husband and I have been married for 12 years with three young children, ages 8 to 13.

We are 45 years old. He constantly has a podcast playing in one. ear through an air pod. He does it at home, in the car. It really bothers me because it makes him not present in the moment. I've mentioned it over and over again, and he always has an excuse. For example, he says, no one was around, so I'm listening to it. He says that being, I'm on my phone, so he's like, I can listen since you're on your phone. He doesn't initiate conversation ever, it's usually me. Help. This is affecting our marriage and I don't know what to do or say to him that I have already. I think she meant have. I haven't. Have it. Have it already.

Wait, before you answer Clayton, as long as he's listening to Golden Hour, we say go for. Is it you guys that are the one that's putting them in school? Yeah. I'd give her the other earpiece and say, check this out. Listen to that. not turning anything off. In fact, we're turning it up. That's what we're going to be. That's right. I like it. Yeah. What do you think about that? I was not anticipating that kind of question. Me either. But okay. Look, I mean, communication's key. So I feel that, you know, she's obviously stated to him that, you know, it's something that she would like for him to do less of. But I, it's not really getting across. So she's going to have to be a bit more stern, in my opinion. Like, you're going to have to really state this is bothering me. It's really upsetting me. you know, it's, it's separating us to some degree or, you know, and I feel like we're not able to connect as deeply as we should be able to. And, you know, if this continues, maybe I kind of

lead into like an outcome based, like, if this continues, this is what I could see happening. I don't want that. So raising the stakes, you know, men are at the end of the day, it's like, here's what, like, directness. Like, this is what can happen if this doesn't work out this way. And then like showing and raising the stakes, making it severe enough to say, like, this is bothering me, right? It sounds like she's brought it up, but she has, like, it's not serious enough for him to change his behavior. So she needs to increase the pain. It's not really the right word. Yeah. But did you notice, though, that she writes that he says she's always on her phone. So I'm wondering if there's a little bit of that, too, where he's like, why not just, you know, I've given up.

I'm just going to listen to a podcast because she's always on her phone. And even if that's not true, perception is truth, right? But also, like you just said, Clayton, communication is the key. You can just sit it down, talk about it. This doesn't work for me when. You can't tell him he can't listen to it at all.

But when we're together and we're driving in the car and we want to have a conversation, the deal is I'll put my phone on silent. You take the thing out of your ear and we're a couple and we'll talk about whatever we need to talk about, right? Yeah, setting boundaries. Absolutely. Yeah, setting boundaries. Listen to you, Clay.

That was you guys. That was a joint effort. Set an appropriate boundaries. But you don't want to jump out and give them an ultimatum. You know what I mean? That's why I didn't make it seem that way. I'm like, I think like though if it's not registering at some point,

then you have to, you know, raise the stakes per se. But also serious, yeah. Yeah, like this is serious. I need you to realize this. But also, I mean, I think, you know, you guys brought up a good point. She may also be, you know, doing behavior that he mentioned like. So I don't like the whole like when you bring up something that bothers you,

someone goes well this bothers me that you do this it's like hey no no no like i'm bringing up what bothers me if it's bothers you you can bring it another time bring it up at your time that tip or tat stuff is yeah it's dangerous is what makes these massive blowups because since we're at it i'm gonna go ahead and bring up dead i'm gonna hang out all the all the dirty laundry's getting wait but i have a question you guys are overthinking this if it were me and my husband i just take his damn eye ear pods and hide them that's gonna cause a ruckus too, Cal. You know how guys get when a second they misplaced their keys. They start running around that. Where are my keys out? God damn it. You want that with the headphones? Yeah, they start throwing a fit.

You see these? You got to please me first before you get these. Make it interesting. Jesus, Susan. She should try it. Exactly. She should try it. We gave her a few options so she can take so anonymous. I hope we have helped you. Yeah, let us know. Let us know. Still hide it. Okay, Clayton, we've gotten to know you. We've gotten to know you. a little bit better and we want to open the floor up to you do you have any questions for us you must want to know something about us yeah i want to know and i'm not busy next friday okay yeah all right perfect i'll be out in no i'm not no leg damn it not where are you i'm in austin texas oh that's an awesome spot actually i go into austin if it wasn't if my brothers didn't live in scottstall austin was

not a spot that i was i love scottesdale too though it's an awesome i know i mean hey can't beat them can't be either um i do actually want to know uh it's probably been ask maybe, but what do you, what was the most surprising aspect of going on reality TV for the both of you? The most surprising? So, like, the thing that's, okay, it's a double two-part question. What surprised you the most and what is like, what was your biggest lesson that you learned from it?

Wow. Well, it's easy for me. I don't, yeah. Go ahead. No, I thought I didn't think you had any answer. Go ahead, Susan. I don't think I learned any lessons. Okay.

And why is that? Because you feel that you were already so prepped from like just previous experience? I was unapologetically, authentically, authentically me. Okay. And people like that. I mean, I made friends. And that was the best thing to come out of the show that I made good, good friends. And I looked at people and watched and learned how people react to different things.

So it was a learning experience. but to bring something out of it? I don't know that I could answer that one. Can you, Kathy? For me, Susan and I are both who we are, and I think that's people either like it or don't. We can somewhat be polarizing to our audiences because they either love us or don't,

and I'm okay with that. I think for me, I've always been a pretty confident person, and I think being on Golden, I realized that I really am okay with myself. You know, my husband had passed away, and so I had gone through a lot of trauma over that. But you didn't know that going in, that you were okay with yourself?

Well, I've said many times, Golden, I am so grateful for being on that show because it really helped heal me. It brought me back to who I was. and I didn't realize, I guess that's what I'm trying to say. I didn't realize how far I had strayed from because of what I went through. So going on that show and feeling alive again, yeah. Feeling alive and I'm okay and I'm a good person and life is for the living.

I think it just underscored the importance of life for me. And I don't know if that's really what you're looking for, but I just, I'm just a joyful person. And I think I'd lost some of that after my husband died. So I will always be grateful to the Golden, to the Bachelor franchise for giving me happiness, bringing me back to life. All right. Well, listen, this has been so. I don't want to end this episode. I'm having a good time.

Don't you? This flew. Right? You are every bit. Susan, I've been dying to have you on the podcast. You did not disappoint. You are amazing. Amazing.

And you're in L.A.? You're not. not in Arizona, right? No, no, I'm in Arizona right now. You are? And that's your home base? Yes. You're in Scottsdale or where?

Scottsdale, yeah. We're coming out, baby. Let me just say, Clayton. You've got to try to not have fun here. So the three of us in Scottsdale, that's just going to be, they're going to have to shut the city down. Send me your number. I'll text you when we're on our way. Let me just say, Clayton, the other thing is, Susan, I can't believe this may be the first podcast that she hasn't said.

So let me say it for her. should you find Ms. Right? Susan would be delighted to officiate your wedding. I'm performing the ceremony. She won't before, she's a wedding to fish. Do you have that capability? Yes, she does. Do you didn't watch our show?

Clayton, really? Listen, I hardly even watch my own season. I had to watch enough of it to know what you did. Susan married Gary and Teresa and I got to do the color commentary with Jesse Palmer. Best event of my life. It was so much fun. You got to hang out with Jesse, because that's my, that's like my big brother. I love it.

Can I tell you, I love that guy. He's the best. My son, just real quickly, my son turned 40 this year, and for two years, my son has been asking me to have Jesse sign an autograph for him. And so my son played college lacrosse. So I had his lacrosse, you're not old enough, but he has Craig Bigio, second basement for the Houston Astros, and Clyde Drexler, who played for the Houston Rockets. And now he has Jesse Palmer's signature on that lacrosse ball.

So that guy is golden in my book. You absolutely are the best. Thank you so much for joining us today. We had some fun with him. Ladies and gentlemen out there listening, you have to look at this man. He's so beautiful. Okay, Susan. Get over it.

He is inside and out. Yeah, you're taking. Let's make us a weekly occurrence. Let's make us a weekly occurrence. Okay, we should do that. Listen, if you enjoyed this episode with Clayton, You need to check out our episodes because we have them coming out every week. Lots of new guests coming up.

You won't want to miss. And make sure to submit those questions because just like Clayton did, we gave some advice. Somebody asked, we will tell what we think. You know how to do it? Go to bachelornation.com slash golden hour or DM us on Instagram at Bachelor Happy Hour. Listen to Bachelor Happy Hour's Golden Hour on the IR radio app or wherever you listen to podcasts. Until next time, have a great week. Ciao.

My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly, and now I'm seriously suspicious. Wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, luckily, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend's been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone. Oh, hold up.

Isn't that against school? Policy? That seems inappropriate. Maybe. Find out how it ends by listening to the OK Storytime podcast and the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. All right, West West, Prop here from Hood Politics with Prop Podcasts. You know I get down. You come from the urban areas. You understand politics more than you giving credit for. Between Jerry out here, Mandarin all over the place, hop-out boys snatching up family members and two wars that was supposed to be done in 24 hours. Not to mention Epstein. We had to reach out to the homie Jamil Hill because she going to keep her to century.

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