Bachelor Happy Hour - Peter Is Down to Four; Plus, Singer Hunter Hayes

Episode Date: February 11, 2020

The final four women have their roses and hometowns are quickly approaching. Becca and Rachel weigh in on Peter’s picks and their predictions on what’s to come.Then, singer-songwriter Hunter Hayes is performing at Victoria F.’s hometown next week, and he’s giving Becca and Rachel a preview of what’s to come. Plus, his impression of the couple’s chemistry during their date.Be sure to rate and subscribe so you never miss an episode.See omny.fm/listener for privacy information.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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We are just approaching, rounding the corner for hometowns. Things are getting serious. I mean, we're filling all the emotions right now, right? Everything. We're happy. I don't know if that's the emotion that I'm feeling watching this season at this point, but frustrated. angry. A little confused. Confused. I mean, there's just so much when it comes to this season. It's not quite the emotions I thought I was going to have coming in.

I feel like you say week seven and I'm like, holy crap, how are we already at week seven? But then I get it because there's so much that is happening. It feels like a marathon. Yeah. Like we're just making this marathon and we're at like mile 22, but like those last miles are so hard to get to. it's a whirlwind and week by week I keep saying like oh I have to take breaks and step away again that's the same with this but now I feel like because we have less girls

and more one-on-one dates starting to get a little bit more I'm starting to feel some hope at this point well not for four right because four people get a hometown I thought to myself this is the first time where we might not have four hometowns because I'm trying to pick the four that he would

give them to I mean he does end up giving four roses out, but I don't know how. I will say, so heading to Peru, okay, speaking from experience, because I was in Peru on the Bachelor, it is beautiful. It is romantic. There's just so much there. It's so vibrant. So if he's going to really like start to fall for some of these girls, which we will get into, this is just an amazing place to do so. So we have Hannah Ann, Kelly, Kelsey, Madison, Natasha, and Victoria F. left. And I feel like he made a lot of cuts the week before.

Like, we went from 10 to 6, but that was a big chunk. I feel like I've never seen four girls go home in the same week. Yeah, you know what? We've been so distracted by the drama that I almost forget that people are going home every week. It's like you popped up and it was like, wow, now it's time to make these hard decisions. Who is he going to send home? I can't believe we're already here at this point where we're cutting it down to the people who are getting hometowns. I feel like I finally started to get this sense.

I mean, Peter has been trying to take this seriously this entire time, but I finally get the sense of urgency where he's like, holy crap, we have hometowns. I'm meeting these families. Like, that's a pivotal point in any season. I think when you bring the family and friends and they're involved. So I think he's starting to feel that and he's starting to actually be like, okay, yes, it's been fun with some of these women.

Like, I've had great chemistry with some of these women. There's, of course, been the drama. but like, who can I actually see a life with? Yeah. Which I appreciate that we're finally at this point because this is what we've been wanting, Peter. So thank you. Yeah. So we've got Hannah Ann, Kelly, Kelsey, Madison, Natasha, and Victoria F.

Is that it? That's it. Six? Six. Is it really six? Six tone to four? Yeah. Okay.

Wow. Okay. All right. So we're in Peru. Mm-hmm. And I love how this episode pops off because it kind of, I'm, And I'm piggybacking on what you were saying with what you're excited to finally see from Peter.

Peter sits down and tells the women, hey, I know there's been a lot that's going on. So let me just kind of reset and let you know what I want, what my intentions are, and what I'm expecting from you. And it was kind of like a wake-up call, good and bad,

because I feel like the girls who kind of feel like they're on the outside are like, hold on. He's saying this is what he wants. And I haven't really had a chance to show him who I am because I haven't had that time with him. And I think up until this point, it's, of course, been Peter getting to know these girls

and trying to figure out what he wants. And the ball has been in his court. And now I think by him coming to surprise these girls and have this heart-to-heart with them, to say the least, I think it really made them realize like, okay, this is a two-way street. He has to say, but I also do too. And so I like that he's like, if you're not all in,

then this can't continue. So I think that was good for him, as you said, to reset, we then see him, you know, go with Madison on their very first one-on-one. Second one-on-one. Oh, yeah. She had the first one. She did have the first one. But it's been a while.

It has been a while. She has been kind of hidden, I will say, in the past weeks. I feel like we've had three seasons of The Bachelor since Madison's date because just too much has gone on. And Madison has always been, I think, a front-runner. Like, you can definitely tell the connection. She has this special bond with him because she met his family. She went to his parents' vile renewal. For goodness sake.

This date, I watched it with Garrett. And he, and so let me start with. Garrett has watched a little bit here and there, but he has not sat down and watched every episode with me. So he caught this date and he goes, she's the one. Like, game over, this is Madison. Like he is so into her. Even before the moment when Peter told her,

which everyone, he finally said it that he is falling for someone. And she didn't say it back. And she did not say it back, which I think that's, okay. I think I kind of like that because I'm watching this. Well, okay, let me back up. So Garrett, Garrett's like, okay, this is done. Like, she's the one. Madison is the one for him. Now, what's going through my mind when I'm watching this is, oh, Lord, please don't say it to multiple women, because this is really going to screw with them. I mean, I dealt with it on R.A. season with him saying, I love you to two people, and we have seen it with other leads as well. And I think

that's a tricky situation. I personally chose not to say that to the guys face to face because I didn't want to steer anyone on and give them like all the hope in the world.

But you can tell he's feeling Madison. No, he's all in with Madison and I think, first of all, I love that Garrett gave his opinion because I love to have the male opinion because they see things differently than we do. And so if a guy walks in and he says that, it's kind of like, whoa, whoa, whoa.

But it's very obvious that he's into Madison which makes me feel like something is going to happen. When I was watching it, I was like, they're giving us too much. We're seeing him say he's falling in love with her. There's clearly a connection. His interaction with her is totally different from everyone else's.

Something's going to happen. Otherwise, it's just like, let's just stop watching. But I did find it interesting. She didn't say, I'm falling in love with you back. I did say I'm falling in love with multiple people because I didn't say I was in love with multiple. people, because I was just very much so of, if I'm feeling it, I'm going to say it. I want no regrets. I'm going to be present in the moment with every single person. But we haven't

seen him say it to anybody else. And he doesn't even look like he's even close to saying I'm falling in love with anybody. He's just like, I enjoy spending time with you, girl. Right. This is great. I have so much fun with you. Yeah, this is the first time we've, and when we did sit down with him, he did say, like, he did fall for multiple women, but this is the first time we're hearing it from a, what's, what's the phrase, hearing it from the, the horse's mouth. The horse's mouth. Yep. We're hearing it from the horse's mouth. Um, I did appreciate their nighttime conversation because a lot of people complain that we don't have serious, they don't see us have real life conversations on camera. And I feel like that's an old narrative because you even saw religion

talked about on, well, one, on my season, we went to church. Right. And then on, with Hannah's season, you saw all that with the Luke P and now you're seeing it again between Peter and Madison so I actually think that's refreshing because Bachelor Nationists said you don't talk politics you don't talk religion

you don't talk about these real life things what we do you just don't see them because they're not interesting but it was interesting to see Madison and Peter talk about religion if religion is a huge part

of Madison's life as she said then it needs to be talked about and addressed 1,000% were you shocked at how Peter responded I wasn't shocked I will say I was trying to put myself in Peter's position

because I don't, you know, he has mentioned before that he's Christian. I didn't really know. I didn't even know that. And maybe, maybe, I think he mentioned it when he was here. Maybe I was just talking to him like not recording, but I know he had mentioned that but that was the extent of it. I didn't know how strong it was. And I think I'm finally starting to see like when Peter says he's attracted to like a strong woman who like stands for something like that's how she is that like her faith it sounds like is a huge pillar of her life and her family's life and I think he gravitates towards that

because it's something positive and I think he appreciates that and it's like okay I have somebody who can maybe like get me back into it or pull me back in and that can like build up my strength in his faith a little bit um I you know it's tough because there there's only so much you can show in a short amount of time. And so we touched on it with her. I would like to hear from him a little bit more of like maybe what the future would look like together. I think that I wasn't shocked at what he said. I didn't know he was a Christian. So when he said, and he was kind of hesitating. And I could, I feel like I could see that he was like, should I go there? Should I not? And he went there and I thought, okay. But my fear is that there are levels to it, which he said,

I'm not where I'd like to be better. And Madison seemed like she's already there. And she's already comparing you to her father. It's one thing when you're when you say my father has these characteristics and I see the relationship he has with my mother and I want to emulate that. I want I want a marriage where we do we communicate this way or we whatever. But the bar is set really high. She is expecting to find a man who honors faith the exact same way that her father does. And I think that could be a little troubling because and I feel like I can say this as a Christian

if her father is that strong in his beliefs and his Christianity and follows the Bible that way then he has to have a huge problem about the sex in the windmill four times. Oh. And so no that's all I kept thinking

of. Yeah. When you start talking about that it's from how she describes the her like the way she practices, she has have an issue with it as well. Peter has said he's very sexual. How is this not a red flag for Madison? Right. How is Peter not seeing, oh my gosh, I'm going to, her dad is at hometown, has to mention the fact about the sex part. One thousand percent. There's no way that that can't come up. And, you know, I'm sure for Peter, if we'll see next week, he will definitely have to

cross that bridge. I think, and trying to put myself in his position, I think it would be, you know, always here you don't want to be in a relationship where you like have to change someone. You don't want to change someone. You want to love them for who they are and you want to hopefully grow and adapt in new ways together. But to change someone, that's where if I was Peter, I'd be like, well, you know, I want to grow. I want to grow in my faith and grow alongside her. But can I live up to that standard that she has now set that her father has provided? So I'm glad that they're talking about it and opening up about it. I think that there's probably many, many, many more conversations that have to be had with that.

So, Rachel, like, going into the whole windmill, Peter being a very sexual man, this is going to, you know, as we've seen in the previews, they touch on Madison being a virgin. And that's something that we haven't seen them talk about. I can only imagine it's going to come up during hometowns and beyond, because that's a huge, huge conversation to have. Obviously, we saw Colton last season have to deal with it the entire season. I'm actually glad you brought out Colton because I don't, I'm glad that she didn't lead with that and make that her entire storyline. And so we've gotten to know Madison in another way. And now this is just another element of her. Right. But what I do fear for her is as women, it is in our nature to feel we can change someone. Like, oh, we make that excuse. Oh, I can, I can fix that. This isn't something where it's like, you know, you leave your shoes, your house shoes out or your socks on the floor and I need to help you fix. You need to actually throw them away, put them in the laundry.

Gosh, I can't talk either. Or you need to put them in the laundry. This is, Peter has said being sexual is something that he wants in a relationship. It is a way to get to know someone. It is an element that he has to have in a relationship. And he has been extremely vocal about that. So I don't understand how, I don't know, I'm a little frustrated for Peter in this because he has expressed this

and you're keeping it from him and I totally understand you why you don't want it to be a part of your narrative but these are things that you need to talk about before you get to week eight before you get to hometowns. If you know how you've expressed that Christianity and faith is a huge part of your relationship how have you not

and Peter has expressed that sexuality is a big part of his. So how have you not talked about the fact that you're a virgin? Right right. Well and I will say so this week would I feel the same way You know, I mean very vocal. She has her opinions over here, people.

If you can't hear her whining right now. Well, I will say, so when I was Bachelorette, this was the same week that Colton opened up to me and told me he was a virgin. And granted, it's... No? Yeah, it was right before Hontones. It was the week before hometowns. Then why did we talk about it? Oh, when he was the bachelor.

When he was the Bachelor. Well, yeah. Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah. I'm like, why are we talking about it? Okay, yeah, sorry, sorry. But I think the difference between both Peter and I is,

like yes I think sex is an important thing I think like physical touch is one of my love languages so to me it's very important I was never as outspoken or vocal or I guess people never like realized like the extent I mean Peter four times in a windmill that's like what his headline is that's what we know of him so it was a little bit different I think now he kind of led not led with it but in a way it was at the forefront and so I definitely think it is though a serious thing that Madison has to feel comfortable enough talking about it. Like, you can't just stay, like, have two dates and hope that that is enough. I think definitely if it does get more serious as hometowns come along, like before fantasy

suites, of course it needs to be addressed. But, and maybe that's the time. Like, you don't have to go into the fantasy suites and have sex four times. No, you don't. I just, it's going to be an issue. He's going to have sex with more than one person in the fantasy suite because he is sexual and he owns that and that is him. And maybe it's one of the things that he can work on when he's,

talks about he wants to be better. Not that that's bad, I'm just saying, you know, if you practice Christian faith, it's no sex before marriage. It's just what's taught. I just, to me, it's something that should have been brought up before because it's going to be in their relationship. And you know it's going to be and you're holding on to it. And I just, why would you allow him to start saying I'm falling in love with you and it go deeper

and deeper knowing that something he feels is crucial to a relationship? you're not doing unless this is the first time that we're going to see him get down on a knee and then Chris Harrison is going to marry them at the end of this unless that's going to happen. I don't know. At this point, I wouldn't be shocked. Let's be honest. I don't know. But that, yeah, there's, let's just keep an eye on this Madison-Peter relationship because I foresee big-time issues.

I really do. Yeah, which I think in regards to the show itself, I think it will make for good TV because, again, this is the first and only girl to this point that he says, I am falling in love with you, and we know that these things need to be talked about and addressed. So there will be an elephant in the room until at least next week. We'll see. Listen, we are all overbooked and constantly running on empty. I mean, I barely have enough time to eat complete meals. I don't even think I've had anything to eat today, let alone prepare a meal. I don't like to cook. I don't want to prepare it. I just want it to be as simple and as tasty as possible. So there aren't many things or many places that can

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says, Vamos a Explore. Is that how you say it? We call it Brian. It's not explore. It's got to be exploring. That's what I'm going to go with.

Where's the little asterisk over the E-G? Which means we go to explore. So, Natasha's so excited. She's finally getting my girl. I like Natasha. You know, you can tell early on their relationship is much more of a friendship. Sure. Like, you could tell very early.

Like, she was not going to end up with him. But I really like to. Natasha. But do you think she knows? It's like, you have to know. Yes, she did. And then it's like, how are you not in the house doing calculations at this point? Okay, it's week seven. That means somebody's getting a one-on-one and is not getting a rose. Well, he already gave it to Madison. It's me and these other girls who've already had one-on-one. I mean, kudos to her for enjoying the moment and getting lost in it. I mean, you are in Peru, so you might as well just take a advantage of it. But she had to know.

She, Natasha seems like she has a very good head on her shoulder. She seems so intelligent. Like, I think she went in to that date kind of knowing it wasn't going to go much further. Like, I don't think she, deep down, I think had she been removed a little bit, I think she probably would have said, I'm not ready to introduce you to my family. Like, I don't think they were at that level. But I think she was just hopeful. And like you said, she's in Peru. Soak it in.

Yeah. Live it up. She was so excited. I mean, and I think they enjoy their time with each other. I think Peter does. I think, like you said, it's a friendship. It's just, there's just no, it's platonic. There's no romantic element to it.

And so, yeah, as soon as he tells her, his feelings aren't as deep for her as they are for the other women, you're like, no shit. Yeah. And sends her home. Sad to see my girl go. She was like the comic relief. And she was one who would call him out. She was logical. She was fun.

Yeah. She was black. There was no other black people there. I will say, the thing I think that I love most about Nattaica. And I've said this before, I think in one of our earlier podcasts, she, she says it like it is. She speaks her mind, but she does it in such an eloquent way. I think in this day and age, so many people use filler words like, like, and I do that. I'm included.

I cannot say that I don't do because I do it far too often. But she, oh, man, if I could just speak as eloquently as she does, it's like, I need to take lessons from her. Natasha, can I hire you? Natasha's great. We are sad to see you go. That one, we knew it was coming, but we didn't want to see you walk away. So then we have another one-on-one with Kelsey,

who Kelsey, taking us all by surprise. She's come a long way since that bottle of champagne. She really has. Now, before we get into Kelsey's relationship with Peter, did anyone see the relationship between her and Hannah Ann coming? Because you see it throughout this entire episode. They're always talking and they're always having their girl chats.

When Hannah Ann comes home at the very end, Kelsey run straight into her arms, not Peters. Like, this is the friendship I did not see coming. Well, I honestly didn't even notice that until you just said that. So it's true. So it's nice that they could come over or get over whatever differences they had because I never would have guessed that these two would be friendly in the end. So let Kelsey and Hannah Ann be a lesson to you all. Let bygones be bygones and unless it's necessary.

I just want to see them sitting together, cheersing with a nice bottle of champagne. Yeah, yeah, which I'm sure we will. Women tell all or something. Maybe they will. I mean, I have no far how, excuse me, I don't know how far these girls are going to make it, but if they're both at women tell all, yes, they can share a toast with each other. So Kelsey gets a card, a date card that says love is a wild ride. And I've thoroughly enjoyed this date with them.

It seemed to relax, chill, fun, adventurous. So fun. Can you imagine Garrett, you got Garrett, I got Brian. You're on these ATVs, exploring this country together. You're running up a hill. You get lost. Like, they're like lost in the city. It's cute. It just looked like in that moment when they ran up the hill together and just laid there, it looked easy. Yeah. And that's what a relationship should be. I mean, it's not, I shouldn't say always. But it, you should have that sense of ease and just comfort. And I felt that watching them. Yeah. The only thing that was uncomfortable is when she straddled them. She just got, it was like a weird, it wasn't smooth. He was like, oh, oh, what are you doing here? But I don't think Peter said smooth. Remember, like, all the awkward moments with him and Hannah? Like, when he hit his head on the light on the pool table, like there's, like, they're both kind of, like, well, I blame that on Hannah. I thought Hannah messed up that.

He was ready to, he was ready to go. I think Peter's smooth. But, yeah, it was very rigid when she climbed on top of him. I didn't like it. If anyone, no one can see, but Rachel's doing this little robot, move over here. Did the robot to get to straddle him. Hey, I never know what to do with my hands or body, so I get it.

Kelsey, Kelsey, I get a girl. So, Kelsey, I appreciated this date because I, we know she has a story, but we learned more of her story. Yes. And as soon as she started talking, I knew she was getting a hometown. Because there has to be that one hometown that's going to be juicy. Right. There's going to be that one hometown.

I mean, for me, it was Dean. Right. I mean, that's not why I gave him. He really was my top four, but I, we, they also wanted to go home and see what was there. Right. And that's kind of how it is. Did he bark? Mito's barking.

She? Oh, my God, I call. Sorry, Mitto. It's okay. You know. But I think with Kelsey, you know, you had to see it coming. It's like, this is, this is a good story. Will we see the dad?

Will we not see? Will the mom and the dad confront each other? Yeah. Well, I need, I need all the details. It's like with Karen, we had to meet Raquel. Yes, you couldn't not. Yeah. So, but I did appreciate her opening up.

I thought we saw a different side of her to hear her say she has this relationship or had this relationship with her father and now she's seeking something different apart from her mother and her sisters, I thought was very mature. This is her own journey and she's got to do it on it by yourself. Yeah, yeah. And it's got to be a scary thing. First to, I mean, Bachelor world aside, just to have that sort of. relationship. It's got to be so difficult. It's got to be, and like you said, good for her to say, I want to see what kind of relationship I can have with my dad without everyone else involved with all of their thoughts and opinions. Like, if that's what you need in your life and your dad is

willing and open, like, 1,000 percent that is, I like commend her for that. Now bring in the bachelor world where you first have to, you don't have to, but she first opens up about her parents' relationship in the divorce and how difficult that was. That's one level. But then you take it now to, and who even knows if Kelsey thought she was going to be going to hometowns? I mean, I was kind of surprised that she did make it this far, but good for her. But now she's saying, okay, you know, my mom has been in my life. My sisters are in my life. But now my dad has some sort of part in my life. But like that has got to be such a scary thing. And I'm thinking like, oh my gosh, Kelsey, when this airs, if your mom watches this back, I hope.

this isn't the first time she's finding out about this because that is a lot to take in for you and your family but then just the entire world to watch this back and the fact that she feels comfortable enough to do it with peter i think is very telling i think she really i mean we're seeing him now form these deeper connections with these girls but she on like based upon their conversations has the most depth with him like has opened up the most has the most layers like and and you're kind of seeing her walls slowly come down bit by bit, date by date, conversation by conversation. So the fact that she feels so open and comfortable to say these things to him, I think is very

telling. Now, you know, I'm just speaking my opinion and what I see. I don't think Kelsey's going to be the last one standing. I don't think it's going to be those two at the end. So I just hope that from here on now, regardless of like anything that happens, it goes down, like, Kelsey, you are strong for just opening up and sharing that. hope she can continue the relationship with her father that's best for her without a thousand other voices chiming in. I hope that at the end of this, like she can still focus and grow that

relationship. Well said. I completely agree. So Kelsey gets a rose and stay tuned. Okay, so then we get the three on one, which I hate. I hate three. Listen, you guys, you don't understand. Three on ones are miserable for the lead. I know they're miserable for the three people that are involved, but I'm telling you behind the scenes, it is awful. I remember my stomach was hurting on that day. I was on a boat with, I had a thing about, I was on a boat. I was like, who was it? I was on a boat with Adam, Matt, and Eric, and the water was choppy.

And I just remember, this is telling of how this whole date was going to go. It is heartbreaking. And I had to send two home on that date. So with Peter, he still has two roses left. So only one person's not going to get it. I had to send two people home. But I just want to say nobody likes the three on one. No.

Nobody. It's awful. So we've got Kelly, we've got Hannah Ann and Victoria F. What a, like those three together really make up the most random group. You think so? I think so. You got Kelly the lawyer who, who now as we have seen, is very logical. Like she just, she's kind of not the wall flowing.

but she's just so much more reserved because I think she just is on this different level. Like she's not that the other girls aren't taking it seriously, but she just thinks like the other girls are all, I mean, she said it herself, they're all babies. That's what her words, people, not mine. But, and then you have Hannah Ann, who we're finally just starting to kind of see open up a little bit, if you can even say that. But, you know, she's been a strong contender since the beginning,

who Peter is very attracted to you. you can tell. And then Victoria F. Who, well, we'll get into that one. Okay, so Peter takes these ladies out and he pulls, who does he pull first, Victoria? He pulls Hannah Ann because she gives him the note. He pulls Hannah Ann. Okay, so if you were listening last week, you know, I was not a fan of how Hannah Ann handled her conversation with Peter. I felt like she didn't have any words. She didn't say anything. And she cried because she thought she was going home.

So apparently maybe she does have an issue finding her words and saying the right thing. So what do we see her do? Write out a note. A simple note, but a note. All the reason, is it all the reasons she, what was it? It was like reasons that she likes him or that he shows he likes her. It was like you like me when I have hot dog on my face and. Yeah.

Yeah. You like me when I have a hot dog on my face. the way you make me feel it really turns me on you knock me off of my feet I was like oh that would actually be good he he I mean

it was cute and that's how I would describe Hannah Ann her little note was cute she's cute I mean pair with the Bachelor like theme music in the background it adds to the element of it was cute and sweet

yes it was little girlish to use the words of Kelly, but it obviously made an impression on Peter. Yeah. Who did we have the next one? Was it Kelly or? Kelly? Well, Kelly this entire time, I mean, like, it seems like a breeze.

She takes a nap when the other girls are gone. Kelly was cocked back. She had that foot in the air. She was twirling it around. I'm pretty sure I saw her blow her fingers and rub her knuckles on her shirt. She's like, I got this, y'all. Well, she really did think that.

You know, she went in thinking like, okay, I'm an attorney, I'm so mature. We have this history together part of the show. Is she wrong to think that way? Do you think she's wrong? No. I don't, well, you know, I will say you can never get too confident in this because you're always going to be thrown for some sort of loop when you're part of the show.

But I will say, like, from what she's going off of, Peter says he wants an independent, strong woman. He's looking for all these things, and Kelly, like, checks those boxes. She really does, like on paper. And she said this herself, too. Like, put it down on paper. Like, we align so well. And so in her mind, I think, yes, she really believes it because she's going off of what he's been saying the entire time.

Yep. You look around and say, who doesn't belong here? And honestly, it's Kelly. Kelly's not like the other women that are left. So if I'm Kelly, and I'm thinking logically, and I'm scanning the room, and I'm listening to what Peter says, what he wants in a way. woman. As you said, Becca, she checks all those boxes. So of course she's sitting back thinking, I got this because I don't have anything in common with these women other than the fact that we're

on this show together. Right. So I get her feeling a certain way. And little does she know, Peter does, apparently doesn't want what he says he wants because none of, they don't, they have some of those characteristics, but she seems to have all the ones in what he says that he wants. Right. So, your girl's next. Well, I want to get into the whole, I think what we start to see is when she sits down with Peter, she keeps using the word fun. And Peter's like, well, this can't just be fun. And I think Kelly addresses the fact, okay, like, it doesn't always have to be a hurdle that you have to get over.

Like, a relationship can be serious, but it can still be fun. And she's easy. And easy. And she's looking at, like, Kelly is very logical. She's looking at it, like, you know, we have these things. It is fun. Like we, we haven't had many hardships yet to get over because we just haven't been dealt that hand.

And I think the, like, I think the disconnect with them is, like, Kelly doesn't want to say the word fun as just, like, lighthearted. I think she's using it. It's like, we actually do have fun together. And I think Peter's like, but I want more than that. Like, I want that, the passion and that chemistry. And that's the part that I think was lacking for them. I can't remember if you said this to me during last week's episode or if we were just

talking off mic, but you said something about guys confusing. emotion as depth. Yes. And I'm paraphrasing what you said, but I thought that that was really powerful because that is what I think Peter is doing. Kelly is giving it to you matter of fact and she's not crying about it or running out of the room or just giving you all this emotion. But she's telling you what she's feeling is real. She's like, she said it, I like you. And I don't need shed a tear, write a note, sing a song, run out of the room to let you know that. I like you, period. Yeah. And I think like you said, he's, he's confusing emotion for depth. Right. Yeah. Totally.

And I think in their case, like, they're just, there's something missing. Like, again, it's perfect on paper, but is that the chemistry truly there? Is that passion truly there? I think Peter, Peter seems like a hopeless romantic. like he needs the fireworks and I think he's getting everything else from Kelly except that. Yeah. So then we go in to your girl. Victoria F. Now, I know listeners week after week probably think that I'm just ragging on Victoria F. And I just, for me personally, she, I don't know the girl.

I'm just going off of what I'm seeing each week, doesn't know what she wants. She's cry, baby. She's all over the place. This conversation, I mean, I think every time I see them together on their dates when they have the evening together and she gets all worked up and walks away. Like, I have an issue with that because you're here to form a connection. You can't do that if you keep walking away from the lead of the show. But this conversation was probably the most difficult for me to watch because, well, she even admitted she went into it with an attitude. She said before she saw him, I'm already in a bad mood.

She said it herself. So she goes into this already on the wrong end, already upset and frustrated. And Peter is just trying to have a conversation. I think Peter handled it very well. I think he said, I just want more. Like, I want to know, like, you give me the red flags. And she, but she can't vocalize and talk through this conversation and talk through his questions and answer them. she just gets frustrated and she like clams up and just says like you she got she tells peter that he's

always in a mood and i've never seen peter be in a mood with her once yeah i think he's questioned her and i think he's asked her some difficult questions and she takes it as you're attacking me and that's not the case and i think she doesn't like she can't comprehend a guy just trying to have a deep conversation. Yeah. And I just like at this point, I'm trying to, I'm trying to pick apart every conversation because obviously I want to recap it for everyone. But at this point, I'm trying to come at at every angle. And I don't understand like what is pulling him to her. I don't. Physical? I don't know what it is. And I like, I really wish we could have Peter here to ask him. because at this point, like, every conversation seems like it drains the both of them.

It seems like it takes out so much life and they always leave. There's like always this tension or this negativity hanging around them. It's never just happy and carefree and like the ease, like the ease that you should have in a partner. I don't see it. I feel like if Peter was here, he would say, I just know she's a good person and I see that in her and I want to bring that out in her. And I do, but you know what? We're going to hometowns at this point. like save that talk for week four at this point you need to say goodbye to victoria and stop trying to save her that's how i do feel more than any of the other women he has this savior complex with victoria yes maybe he feels bad because of how she was done with her ex coming on the show i don't know but other than physical that's what i have to say that it is but he looks so defeated after every conversation with her yeah and it's just i

don't get it. She can call out her issues too. She's like, I'm, I'm messing this up. I'm ruining it. She sees what her problem is. I just, I don't get it. I don't get it. When you've got Kelly, Hannah Ann, and Victoria F, and you have two roses to give, how do you give one of those to Victoria F? Well, and the way he gave it to her, I thought she was going home at first. I thought he was walking her out to the car. And in that moment, I'm like, okay, like, fine. Finally, this cloud can lift, hopefully. And then, you know, he pulls a fast one and he says, like, I want to keep your own. I want to meet your family.

Maybe it's his way, because we've seen it so many times with him, like, a way to reassure her and say, like, I'm not going to keep you here longer. Like, I want to send you home first and give you this row so you know you're good. I don't know. But I just, I didn't expect that one. No. I really didn't. I just at this point, I just, like, I want to see more from the show and more of their conversation. than just them arguing about, like, their differences and, like, what she wants.

I think at this point, she's been very clear, like, she doesn't quite know what she wants. And she said, like, I, I, I shell up because I'm, like, it's easier to just not have you in the beginning. But it's like, is that the case, or do you, are you really just not that into Peter? That's what my take is. And so I want to see something that proves me wrong. I would love to be wrong in this regard. I just, I just, I'm very, I'm very, I'm very. I have done.

Next week, I'm pressing fast forward through her hometown except to watch Hunter Hayes perform and then I'm fast-forwarding it again. You can recap her hometown date. I don't want to see it. I don't care. I'm over her.

I'm exhausted. I don't need that negativity in my life. So, yeah, so he gives Victoria Ephoros, it's down to Hannah Ann and Kelly. Kelly's like, these women are baby. Kelly's going in at this point. She is. She's like, they're babies.

Of course, like, he's going to give it to me. Let's hurry up, chop, chop. I got a hometown to get to. We're headed back to Chicago. You're going to come to the law firm, meet my brothers, meet my dad. I'm going to take you down the, like, she's got it all planned out in her head. And then all of a sudden, he gives it to Hannah Ann. It was the note.

It was the note. Had Kelly written a note a legal brief, a motion, an opening argument, he would have given it to Kelly. Anything, anything. Anything. anything. And he gives it to Hannah Ann, who I think she thought she was going home too. Well, from those tears. When he walked Kelly out from those tears, like at that point, she just had to release it all. Like the real tears, finally. Yeah, yeah. She wailed. She wailed out when he. As Kelly's, Kelly can still definitely hear that too. That's got a suck. That's like the knife in the back where Kelly's like, gosh, dang it. I'm not getting a row.

And here this girl who is going to hometowns and still gets to be with Peter is crying. I love, can we get Kelly on the show? Kelly said, what? I didn't get a rose. She sat up. She pulled up her jeans, walked out. She's like, I got places to be. I got to go.

And then in her exit interview, I mean, I think very on par with Kelly, you don't see a ton of that emotion. You don't see the tears. She just is confused. She's like, well, Peter's been sane. He wants one thing. And he's now trying to search for that with these other. other girls who, you know, she just thinks they're immature, they're young. Yeah.

So I will say, I'm glad Kelly didn't cry because you always see like these big crazy interview, like exit interviews. And of course, like people, you're not in the van alone. You have the camera crew. You have a producer with you talking you through these things. So you start to feel these emotions because you're not just saying goodbye to the lead. You're saying goodbye to the girls in the house. You're saying goodbye to these producers who have become your friends.

Like, that's where a lot of the emotion at times comes from. But I'm happy, like, Kelly, to the end, she has shown she's, like, very solid in her feelings and what she thinks and what she believes and what she feels and she's not going to give you this, like, crazy cry fest. She doesn't feel it. She's just like, I don't get it. Yeah. The end on Kelly. Kelly was like, okay, I guess, honestly, she probably was like, you're not who I thought you were. And she can probably rationalize that better and say, you know what?

and that's not the man for me. Mm-hmm. On to the next one. I like Kelly. Kelly for Bachelorette at this point. Yeah. If I'm going to pick a girl from this season. Or Natasha.

Or Natasha. Or Natasha. I don't even know if she goes by Tasha. I've been calling it. That's sorry if you don't go ahead, Natasha. I think a lot of the girls that went home early, had they stuck around longer, they would have been good contenders.

Oh. Oh, which reminds me. This is, I do want to say this about Victoria F. I think the other rational, to rationalize her behavior is that she's trying out for the Bachelorette. That's the only thing, the other thing that I can give her

is that... I'm trying to play crickets on my phone right now for a sound bite. Not saying that I want her, but, you know, a lot of times people say the Bacheloret, who usually comes from the season as the Bachelorette is the person who, you know,

it's like something's wrong with me and how can I not get chosen and I just don't understand what my issue is. That's kind of a narrative for some people. and not every Bachelorette and so with her it's just like that's what she keeps saying

he's giving you he's like I love you I'm here's the ring in my pocket and she's like What? You got that into me I just I just that's not what I want okay I want to be bachelorette

I'm reading between the lines that's not what I want Peter the reason I can't tell you is because I'm trying to be the next bachelor How gold would this be though at women tell all because we always say it's the women's like interview for

paradise basically their chance to get on paradise like i just want somebody at women tall to be like look i had a great run on the season i had a good time it kind of sucked because a lot of the drama but like i want to be bachelorette i just want somebody to stand up and say that maybe she will let's be honest she doesn't make it we know she was hometown she's not the one in the end and i i for peter's sake for a so he can not have a lifetime of just dramatics i hope it's not her and now we're going to move on to the cats and rats of the week there are some cats and some rats. Oh, Rach.

You keep me young. Cats and rats. Let's see. I have my hand-to-danny list of women in front of me. You know, okay, well, okay, I hate to just continue to harp on the same person over and over. Again, this is only going off of what I am seen. I will have to say the rat is Victoria F. only because, like, she just keeps calling Peter out for being in moods when he's not. She just, it's a real struggle to watch their relationship right now.

That's what I'm going to lead with. My cat of the week, oh, man, well, you know what? I don't know. Okay, these three girls, Kelsey, Madison, and Natasha. I just really like Natasha and she went home and I mean I just enjoyed her I just really enjoyed her as a person that's just me selfishly giving out a cat but then I would say Kelsey because again that story that she opened up with and spoke on a little bit more had had to be so incredibly difficult and I applaud her for feeling comfortable enough to share that with Peter and all of us the entire world and I really do wish her the best in whatever relationship she decides to move forward with and her father. So I'm going to give it to her. Oh, that's very well said. I mean, there are a lot of cats this week. I thought Madison was great for being bold enough to open up about her faith. Sometimes that's difficult for people to

share. Yeah. Kelly, not, well, Kelly is who I was originally going to give it to because I just love me some Kelly. Kelsey is what I meant to say for the same reason that you said, but I love Kelly, Tasha, because that's my girl. Kelly, I loved Kelly in this episode. I'm sad to see you go. And yes, I'm agree with you. The rat is Victoria just because it's just exhausting. It's just, I'm just exhausted with her. I can only imagine what Peter's going through. So there you have it.

Our cats and rats of the week. And stay tuned, Bachelor Happy Hour listeners, because coming up, we have the wonderful Hunter Hayes. All right, now calling in and joining us on the show is Mr. Hunter Hayes. Hunter, we are so happy to have you a part of Bachelor Happy Hour. I am so excited to be here and join you guys. Thanks for the time. How are you guys? How are you doing? We're doing great. We're so excited to have you here because very soon we will be seen more of you on our lovely show. And we cannot wait for that. But we really just want to get your side of things. And what was your overall experience performing on The Bachelor? Honestly, it was a blast. I was, I don't know why I was excited. I guess just because normal TV tapings and I should call it that because it didn't feel like that at all. Like that's what we all comment. on like we it was it was such a fun day um and it was such a fun atmosphere like the the place

was like open air it was in you know beautiful like venues so it was it was honestly a blast it felt like vacation and it was also um it was nice because it was my first time i have a new sort of form of my show that we're taking on the road called the lap um and it's a lot of like technology meets performance stuff it's a lot but it was my first time actually performing with that

so I thought I was going to be really nervous about that particular element of it and the whole day was just so much fun how many times did you have to play the song that they danced a few that's the part no one realizes you have to replay it over and over

and when you watch you back on the show you think it's just the one time and it's so special and And by the end, you're like, okay, this is the 12th time we've played this with them dancing in the crowd now. Yeah. Well, so we ended up, I ended up playing through it multiple times before, right? Because the moment was kind of everything. Like the moment that they kind of came in was the, yeah, that's the whole thing.

That was the moment that that was the most important part. So we ended up actually playing the song through, God, what, seven times before that? so I got a lot of practice yeah you work with those vocal cords I want to know and this is something that we've talked about before so Bachelor Nation as a whole like our fan base is amazing

they are so invested in the show itself and it's kind of like a sports team like the love for the sports team is the love that we feel like with Badger Nation so when you usually perform like is this was this a new level of like fandom for you? Yeah.

Well, it was a wild experience because before I even opened my mouth, we were sound check and we were set up and the audience was in a different part of the NU. And I mean, before we even made noise, like we got a notification that somebody tweeted that we were there and set up. So like, I don't know that I'm used to that.

Yeah, they're crazy. They know everything before you do. Yeah, so, Matt, Massive respect. Massive amount of respect. Yeah, that's new. That's new for me. Now you understand why we call them Bachelor Nation. I mean, they are everywhere. You can't get away with doing something and they don't find out. I get it now. I get it. So help us kind of find out what happened behind the scenes when it comes to this episode. So it's a hometown, which I don't know if you know this, Hunter, this is a big deal.

So the fact that you got to perform at a hometown is huge. So you saw one of the final four girls. You are on the date with Victoria F, you're in Virginia Beach, it's a hometown. First of all, I have to ask you off the top, because I don't know if you know the history of this season, but do you, did you personally know date or, I don't know something else with Victoria F? No. You did not deal with crying. I know people are going to want to know that. I know people are going to want to know. No.

No, I honestly, and I didn't really know anything, right, don't want to. into it because it happened a hot minute ago, right? So I went in flying blind, which is, you know, yeah, I was clueless. As you should be. That's how it typically goes. I want to know, so usually, at least from experience, when we have musical guests perform for us at the end, we can kind of go backstage with you and chat. And so were you able to spend time with Peter and Victoria backstage after that? You know, I thought, I was kind of like hoping to like get to know them a little bit.

But it all happened pretty, it didn't happen fast, but it felt like it flew by. I mean, I know that we were on set. We were getting ready, sound check, and we, you know, ran through the song several times, rehearsed it and kind of got some different camera angles before they got there, stuff like that. We were probably, you know, we were there for hours,

but it honestly felt like it went by in 30 seconds. Yeah. So it really did go quick. And I didn't, I got to get up. I wanted, you know, I wanted to say thank you because I was pretty stoked that when he got on the stage he was singing my song

like he knew the song front to back and I was like okay that's dope I'm grateful I got to go up and say hello right I shook their hand talked to them a little bit but it was so quick

so what was their chemistry tell us were they into each other did you see something like maybe the camera didn't catch were they touching we need to know give us the juicy details behind the scenes

well you'll see it um you're good you're good they um you'll definitely yeah but i honestly again being the guy who was flying totally blind i it felt like they'd known each other for years it was really really almost almost weird for me because i do a little bit right but um yeah it really it really felt like they'd known each other for a long time and it was very like it didn't feel you know, forced or anything like that. And I don't know why I was expecting it to because I've never played on the show, so I don't know what it's like.

And it didn't feel that way. So it was honestly, it kind of freaked me out at first. Well, I like hearing you say that because I think one of the main questions that we get as being contestants on the show and then leads is, is it real? People think it's fake. People don't think the emotions are really there.

So it's always fun when we can bring in a third party who has experienced a part of it for themselves to be like, dang, like, yeah, they actually had this connection and and you see the emotion and the feeling behind the relationship as, you know, of course, it's a TV show, but it's there. I want to know, did anyone from the audience make a pass at you? Not that I know of. Dang it, come on.

Nobody threw their panties on the stage. No bra's coming up. No, it's not really our show, you know. We're family friends. yeah no nothing nothing has that ever happened to you before okay i can't lie it might have happened a couple times but and the funny thing is like i try to pay attention to because i don't want to draw attention like that's the for me like being a very shy kind of dude like that's the most uncomfortable thing is when that happens and i can tell like the rest of the room is looking at that um yeah what do you do

with that i don't i don't pay attention to it i ignore it completely so you just like leave the the lingerie on stage. Well, I hope that someone on my team has the wear with all to walk on stage and subtly remove it before the pictures end up on Twitter. Actually, the last time, it's not like, okay, I've been, you know, playing shows for years. It's not like this happens all the time. It's happened, like, a couple of times, which is I think why I'm so scarred by it. But it, the last, actually the last time was, well, I won't say.

It was, yeah, it was very uncomfortable. And I didn't have, like, normally I have, like, my guitar tech is, is it right next to me? And, like, he'll come and, like, help me with these kind of situation. And I didn't have anybody to come and help me in that situation. You were flying solo. I was flying solo. And, man, it was, it's just awkward. I don't know why it's so awkward for me.

Well, Hunter, now that you're a believer and you've seen what this franchise and the love and the journey is firsthand, would you ever be The Bachelor? Interesting question. My heart, I'm too, I don't know. I feel like I'm too sensitive. Oh, you'd be perfect. You'd be gold. TV gold. You can sing.

You got a cute face. You just have to deal with the drama. Yeah, if the sensitivity isn't enough, ladies, he's been nominated for five Grammy Awards, including Best New Artist and won the CMA Award for New Artist of the Year in 2012. I'm telling you, sounds like a bachelor we've never had before. I'm just saying. Oh, who knows, ladies. I really feel so much better about myself.

Maybe he'll be seen. more of him. So Hunter, you did mention Twitter in hopes that nothing scandalous ended up there. Where can we find you on social if anyone wants to follow along? Just me. At Hunter Hayes, H-U-N-T-E-R-H-A-Y-E-S. Twitter, Instagram.

Yeah, I just got a new number. It's all over everything. Texting. Oh, okay. Well, I will say after this coming episode, you'll probably have many new female followers. For sure. For sure. And is there anything that you want to plug. Let us know what you have coming up, some events, maybe some place that people can

throw their panties on the floor. It's becoming a statement. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Yeah. Well, we'll be, so the kind of the performance, it's a, it's a new thing. We tour, I love touring with my band, but in the off seasons, we love, I still love playing music. So we'll be taking that same kind of vibe where it's sort of a solo show. It's called The Lab. We'll be doing a few of those this year, and I'm really excited for people to see that for the first time. And, And we just put out an album in August of last year called Wild Blue Part 1, and it's part one of a three-part series. And I feel like this is the most of me that I've ever had in an album for the world

to sort of understand me. And I make more sense when you hear the record. So I'm excited for everybody to hear Wobloop Part 1, yeah. Awesome. Well, we are excited too. Can't wait. Yeah. I'm sure.

Well, thanks for having me on. Yeah, no. Thank you so much for being here. We look forward to everything that you have coming up. We look forward to seeing you again on the season, maybe in a new role. I don't know. So thank you. You are now a friend of the show.

And we hope to have you back on that Bachelor Happy Hour again. Yeah. I love it. I can't wait. Thank you so much. Take care. You too. Bye.

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