Bachelor Happy Hour - Pickleball, Love Triangles, and ZIP IT!

Episode Date: October 20, 2023

There is so much to discuss after last night’s “Golden Bachelor”/“Bachelor in Paradise” double-header and Joe and Serena are breaking it all down.   It’s the week we’ve all been waiting for on “Golden”: PICKLEBALL TIME!   And while things were definitely intense on the court, the drama off the court between Kathy and Theresa is really what has Joe and Serena talking. Plus, they discuss the demise of ASKN, Sandra missing her daughter’s wedding, and Leslie and Gerry’s steamy one-on-one! Then in “Paradise,” the love triangles are forming! Joe and Serena share their thoughts on Eliza’s shocking decision to go out with John B., Sean’s last chance attempt with Jess, the undeniable chemistry between Brayden and Rachel, and so much more.   Follow now so you never miss an episode.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly, and now I'm seriously suspicious. Wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, luckily, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend's been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone.

Now, hold up. Isn't that against school policy? That seems inappropriate. Maybe find out how it ends by listening to the OK Storytime podcast and the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Dr. Scott Barry Kaufman, host of the Psychology Podcast. Here's a clip from an upcoming conversation about how to be a better you. When you think about emotion regulation, you're not going to choose an adaptive strategy which is more effortful to use unless you think there's a good outcome. Avoidance is easier.

Ignoring is easier. Denials is easier. Complex problem solving. Takes effort. Listen to the psychology podcast on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. So in the last month, the Midas Touch Network beat Rogan, Tucker Carlson, Candice Owens, Charlie Kirk, and Ben Shapiro all combined. What happens when three brothers take on right-wing media and start winning? I find out on the latest episode of Next Question with me, Katie Couric.

We just want people to live their lives and be happy and be able to enjoy it without some, you know, lunar. to tick screaming in their face every three seconds. Listen to next question with me, Katie Couric on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, everyone. Welcome back to Happy Hour. I am Joe. And I am Serena.

It's nice, nice that you're back. Nice to be back. I was sad to be away last week. There was so much good stuff to talk about. Yeah, I missed you last week. But I was able to handle it on my own. I'm sure you will. were. It's hard. It's actually difficult to recap by yourself. Yeah, I feel like it's more fun

when you can have like a conversation about it with someone and like bounce off another person. So I'm glad that was you and not me. I feel like when we watch the episode together, I stole a lot of your thoughts. Did you? Yeah. Tim. That's okay. I feel like that makes me here in spirit that you were using my thoughts. Okay. So we'll recap Golden Bachelor. We're going to recap Bachelor in Paradise. This week coming up, we have two interviews. we have Susan who we love everyone loves people are calling her chris jenner and then we have hot Sean who we who we do we see him yeah we have hot Sean coming on the podcast so uh stay tuned for those interviews later this week let's get into um recapping the golden bachelor let's do it

i'm ready okay so first first thing we see is trista Trista was the first ever Bachelorette and we had her on the podcast a little while back. She made an appearance on charity season for her I think was it her finale or her tell-all? For her tell-all.

Maybe. Yeah, it was her tell-all because we were at the finale and Trista wasn't there. And I think she told Cherry the same thing. This is her line she's been using. It's the who can't you live without? I know. Trista I think used that line for charity, and she's using it again for Gary.

But honestly, when you got something good, why try to change it? Like, that's a good light. And it obviously has resonated with both leads. It really resonated with Gary because he brought it up multiple times in this episode. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like it's really adjusted his mindset of like looking for, you know, what is it? Look for the woman.

Don't look for the woman you could live with. Look for the woman you can't live without. I feel like that's like a head versus heart thing. Like don't look for the woman that like fits your itinerary or like what you thought your life was going to be. Like look for the woman that like would break your heart if you were with her. Yeah. I guess it's follow your heart. Follow your heart.

Wow. So romantic. So first thing I notice is Teresa grabs Trista's arm and says Trista just so you know I got the first one out one. Oh, that's my note also right now. Trisa can't stop talking about her connection with Gary. And I feel like on one hand, it's endearing because she's genuinely so excited about this guy. But on the other hand, I just feel like she can't read the room, unfortunately. I feel like, I would be upset.

If I was in those women's shoes and Teresa, like, grab Trista to be like, guess how amazing my connection is with this guy? I'd be like, girlfriend, you got to reel it in. I feel like Trisa needs constant validation. Like she needs to let everyone know about her relationship with Gary. And she wants them to be like, yes, you're right. He's really into you. You're probably right because I feel like it's so easy to feel insecure in this environment. Even if you're not can if you don't consider yourself an insecure person, like these women seem very confident.

Like it's impossible to not get in your head. And I feel like her way of coping with that insecurity of like I got the first one in one day to had a great connection and now he's off making connections with other women as well her way of like coping with that oh my gosh like maybe it's not me i don't know is like constantly telling everyone else how great her connection is to like almost reassure herself how great her connection is yeah i think i yeah i think that's correct um but we could tell it it's it's obnoxious and it's annoying the other women oh yeah and we can see it's going to come to a head once again in this episode so we're going to get a group date we

Do see that Leslie is going to get the one-on-one. She's very excited. Yeah. Who did you think was going to get that one-on-one? I thought it was going to be between Leslie and I thought maybe like maybe Nancy, maybe Ellen. I was like really. Oh, or go ahead. I know you're going to say.

I was really confident. I don't know why it was going to be faith. Yeah. I was like, convinced. I was like, oh, it's definitely faith this week because she got the first impression rose. And we haven't really seen her time with Gary that much. So anyway, but it wasn't.

It wasn't. It was Leslie's turn that. Yeah, I wonder what happened there with Faith because they did. She got the first impression, Rose. It seemed like Gary was smitten that first night over Faith. And we haven't really seen much. I think we're going to see more in the coming weeks. Well, in the teaser for next week, it does show what looks like a one-on-one date with her and Gary.

Yeah. So either that's going to go really well and we're going to realize their connections really developed or it's going to be. the last date we see with faith. I feel like it's got to go one way or the other at this point because we're so deep into this process. Yeah, I think so. All right, so let's hop to the pickleball game. First thing, we see Joey the Bachelors there.

You know, nice of an appearance from him. These women are amped. They're ready to go. This is a big, this is their Super Bowl. They're so excited. Ellen is so excited. I don't know if I've ever seen anyone in this franchise is this excited for a group date.

Ellen is like, I. She wants to be on that cover of the pickleball magazine. Oh, yeah. It's her time to shine. They put them in like Sherbert colors. It's pretty fun. Yeah. Look like they could have been in the Barbie movie a little bit.

I mean, that's a, that's a fun. It's just a, it's a fun game because everyone, everyone could play. Everyone could compete. I think we see a lot of times on like the Bachelor, Bachelorette. Like, there's like these football games, but like half the people really are like, I'm not into this. Yeah. Where pickleball is like, yeah, all these women know how.

to play pickleball. Gary loves pickleball. Like it's just, it's much more fun because I feel like everyone could participate, you know. Yeah, it's like an equal playing field. Even if it's, you know, you have more experience or less, you can probably figure it out. Or you could do what April did and just fake a spray and ankle and hang out on the side with Gary. That's one of the things I wrote down. That was probably my favorite moment of the pickleball.

In her interview, when she, I don't know what she said. She said, like, my ankle's doing just fine and like winked or something. You were hysterically laughing. It was so funny. April is so great. Her and Susan, in my opinion, are like the comedic relief of the show and have a very similar sense of humor that is just so enjoyable to watch. Where the show went wrong, and I hope the execs are listening to this, where the show went wrong with Golden Bachelor is they truly should have shown more of April because. Oh, yeah.

The way she fake that. injury and that and that winked at the carol was just just shamelessly that was an award winning right there um and then we've got the women battling it out to be on the cover of pickleball magazine we've got sondra diving into the crowd how about sandra's 75 years old she looks incredible i couldn't believe it she she looks the like they all look wonderful for their age but sandra like she's 75 No, like, I, if you, I didn't realize she was 75. If you would ask me how old do you think Sandra was, I would have said 65. I would have said 60.

60. You think she looks 15 years younger. I mean, she looks really good. The way she moves, the way she's playing pickleball. I mean, she's flying around. I know. And she just, she looks young. She has very, like, youthful energy, but, like, still mature.

I cannot believe. I really can't believe she's 75. Okay, so how do we feel about Sandra? So Sandra, Gary pulls her after, um, what, The one team won, which was the green team. It was Ellen and Kathy. Yeah, which good for good on Ellen because she truly wanted to win. But the big thing was we see Gary Pulsandra and then mentions that she missed her daughter's wedding.

I know. How do you feel about that? I mean, at the end of the day, we talked about this a little bit because originally, I mean, we obviously just had our wedding. And I was like, I could never imagine not having my. mom at my wedding. I honestly don't know if I would be okay with her going on the show and missing my wedding. But at the same time, one, we don't know what Sandra and her daughter's relationship is. But two, even if they are super close, like you put it, you gave me some perspective on it where you were like, this is such a once in a live lifetime opportunity. And let's say

she goes in the show and she finds love. Like that would really be worth it. Like if it was my mom and, you know, she had been single for however many years and she goes on this show and she finds, like, her second love. You would be a little mad if she missed your wedding. I wouldn't be mad. I would be sad. I would literally just think I want my mom. Being sad is fair.

I, yeah, I don't know. I would have, how I am, I would have been okay with her missing it. I'd say, you know what? You go do that. Yes. That's something that could be great for you. But I also think those two things. one, you're older than I am, and two, you are a boy.

Okay. I don't know. I feel like my mom was with me the whole day, you know, like. It could be different. Like your mother was a huge part of your wedding experience. Yes, exactly. But I commend her daughter for putting her mom's journey first ahead of her own special day. think that is very admirable and very selfless.

And I hope it works out. And you have to FaceTime her and see her and her new husband, which was a very sweet moment with her and Gary. Yeah. Yeah. So I don't know. I just, for me, the more incredible thing is that Sandra is 75 years old.

Joe can believe that she Mr. Dar's mind, but he cannot believe that she's 75. And then we have a conversation with Teresa and Kathy, which Kathy. Who pulled who here? I was trying to remember this. I think Teresa pulled.

Kathy. Okay. Yeah. I think you're right. And listen, I think Teresa's being a little over the top. I think she's she's being annoying with it. But in the same breath, it's kind of like Kathy, like you don't like you don't, I mean, it's not that big of a deal. Like you don't have to get that. Like she almost like didn't even let Teresa speak this, this, this time around. Yeah, it was hard because I very much been kind of on Kathy's side. I've been able to put myself in her shoes, having been a contestant on The Bachelor

and been like, yeah, I would feel similarly to Kathy in the situation. Especially at the row ceremony when, you know, Teresa started talking to Kathy about her time with Gary and then started talking about her own time with Gary and Kathy was kind of like, I literally just told you, please don't do this. Like, what is going on?

But on the pickleball court, you can tell that Kathy kind of takes it one step too far with the way she's talking to Teresa like she kind of snaps and it's like okay you have a right to be frustrated and upset but you've taken this too far now

with the way you're speaking to her and how mad you are at her and I went from feeling bad for Kathy to now feeling bad for Teresa and I feel like Kathy's almost making is she's making this out to be a bigger issue than it is yeah at the end of the day

like how much is this girl talking about Gary? Like she following you around 24-7 just like talking about her connection with Gary. Like it's probably a couple comments here and there. It's getting under her skin. I think Kathy maybe has a little bit of insecurity about her relationship with Gary because, you know,

Teresa's got a 101 and she hasn't, which is possible. Like it's a hard environment to be in. And I just think Teresa and Kathy need to just not hang out. They just need to stay away from each other. I don't think that like getting this heated was the solution. Well, this ends up back.

on Kathy because then Teresa tells Gary, Gary talks to Kathy and he's just like, nah, like, like. Gary seems pissed at Kathy. He seemed like actually mad. Yeah. This was the first time. I think this is the first time all season we've seen Gary mad. Yeah. He looked like he was like, I'm mad now.

Yeah. He looked mad. And then with some about like a 70 year old man, when you see him mad, you're kind of like, all right. You're just like the rest of us. I've seen this situation play out on The Bachelor before. It's all looking and feeling very familiar. You know, no matter what age.

You're no longer the sweet guy, Gary. Now we're starting to see other sides of you. I think it's good. I want to see more emotions to Gary. Of course. And then we go, let's hop to the Leslie Gary date. They go on ATVs. I think she really likes him,

which is kind of shocking because it really doesn't seem like Gary is Leslie's type. Yeah, I agree with that. I agree with that. We didn't say that when we were watching it? Yeah, I'm not surprised that they have a connection. They're both nice, genuine, cool people. I liked the day and I thought ATVing was really fun. I thought it was cute that Gary was like making her go first so we could like watch her.

But I didn't expect them to be this into each other. and I just didn't expect him to be her type. I don't know what I think her type is. But it sounds like he's not her type based on what she's saying. Because she's saying, like, I have a bad picker and I've gone for bad guys in the past.

Yeah. I feel like her type's like a motorcycle biker guy, but I think Gary also rides a motorcycle or used to ride a motorcycle. Yeah, I know Faith does, but I don't know about Gary. Yeah. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly

and now I'm seriously suspicious. Well, wait a minute, Sam, maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now, he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone. Now, hold up. Isn't that against school policy? That sounds totally inappropriate.

Well, according to this person, this is her boyfriend's former professor and they're the same age. And it's even more likely that they're cheating. insists there's nothing between them. I mean, do you believe him? Well, he's certainly trying to get this person to believe him because he now wants them both to meet. So, do we find out if this person's boyfriend really cheated with his professor or not? To hear the explosive finale, listen to the OK Storytime podcast on the Iheart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. I'm Dr. Scott Barry Kaufman, host of the psychology podcast. Here's a clip from an upcoming conversation about exploring human potential. I was going to schools to try to teach

kids these skills and I get eye rolling from teachers or I get students who would be like it's easier to punch someone in the face. When you think about emotion regulation, like you're not going to choose an adapted strategy which is more effortful to use unless you think there's a good outcome as a result of it if it's going to be beneficial to you because it's easy to say like go you go blank yourself, right? It's easy. It's easy to just drink the extra beer. It's easy to ignore to suppress seeing a colleague who's bothering you and just like walk the other way. Avoid it. is easier. Ignoring is easier. Denial is easier. Drinking is easier. Yelling, screaming is easy. Complex problem solving, meditating, you know, takes effort. Listen to the psychology podcast on the

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Okay, and then we have, and then another big thing, and this is the first time we saw this so far Ellen tells Gary she's falling in love of them. Yeah, they are doing daytime cocktail parties now, I have you noticed that?

They're a little older. I like it. It's cute. They get tired quicker, you know? I would say they're probably like, yeah, we're not staying up for a cocktail party at 1 a.m. I know. I'm jealous.

I would have loved a daytime cocktail party. What did you think about Ellen saying that? Oh, I thought it was beautiful. I mean, like, you could tell it was really emotional for both of them. I can't imagine. He just grabbed her face and made out with her. Oh, yeah, which is basically like a fall in love with you too without saying it. He didn't say it back, did he?

No, he didn't say it back. Okay. Which I'm sure he knows that he probably shouldn't. There's multiple women there. Yeah, we don't, we haven't really seen him like fully open up about that to anyone yet. But I thought she did a great job saying it. I thought it was a really sweet moment. I can't imagine.

how scary that would feel like after being married someone for so long to like hear or tell someone else you're falling in love with them. Yeah, because then you probably, you know, you're probably internally feeling it. And then once you say it, you're like, oh, now, now I'm there. Yeah. I know. Um, our girl Nancy, she calls Gary out says, I don't think you get that into me. He's like, you're not wrong. I'm not. I know. I know. That was crazy. I was the way that got shown to it like it was in like a montage situation and all of a sudden were on nancy i'm like oh nancy we love nancy like her and gary's so cute and she's like i think you've narrowed it down and i don't think i'm in that group and he was like i cannot disagree with you that is

true and i was like looking away when it happened because like you said it was like in a montage and i hear you go oh nancy i'm like did nancy just go home yeah she goes home and that's it she's gone, which sucks because I really liked Nancy and I was hoping that they were going to fall in love with each other, but didn't work out. It's interesting because some seasons of the show, cast members say we all knew who the leads either favorite was or like top few favorites were. And then some seasons of the show cast members were like, we actually had no idea who they were that into or not. And Nancy has just given away that. that Gary definitely has selected and shown to the group his favorites.

Which I think we could probably guess as well as viewers. What do you think? Teresa. Yeah. Leslie. Potentially faith, hard to tell because we really haven't seen them, but I still think they had a really good connection.

And Ellen. Yeah. I agree with that. And I think they've been obvious kind of front runners for a lot of the season. Yeah. And then that's it. And then. Oh, wait.

We have to quickly talk about our. girl Susan. Well, okay. Yeah, talk about Susan. We'll talk about it more when we interview her obviously, but Gary gave her a gift. He gave her the Rose Quartz. Yeah, that was kind of out of nowhere, the gift for Susan. I wasn't expecting that. And he said that she reminds him. I thought it was going to be like a meatball or something. Of his wife. Yeah. He said Rose Quartz signifies empathy and or like represents empathy and strength. And he feels she embodies those qualities and those are qualities that his wife also embodied and she reminds him of his wife

which is like if someone said that to me I'm like I you're obsessed with me you're in love with me like oh my God this is really serious but I don't think they have that sort of a romantic connection I think it's more of like a respect and friendship if I'm being honest

well Susan's the only one left that I askin because Askin is now down to one woman Oh yeah April April. Nancy. Nancy and Kathy all go home. I know. Susan's the last gal stand in. Can't believe April last. Well, we'll see we'll see what happens there. I can't wait.

Oh my gosh. You know what's crazy? It's all three of them went home this episode. He wiped out Askin basically in one foul swoop. Yeah. That's crazy. That sucks. I just said. Askin's down. No, I know. I just, I didn't connect that they all went home in this episode for some reason. Well, that's because Nancy didn't go home with the. row ceremony. Yes, yes.

Jump in a Bachelor in Paradise. Bachelor in Paradise is now getting good. Yes. I feel like the first episode, we were kind of like, okay, second, okay, third, started to pick up. Now, episode four, I'm in it. You know why? It's because all the contestants came down this year and they're playing it super safe.

They're very cautious and how they act, what they say. Everybody's being very mindful of other people. and now we're starting to see the castmates lose their shit and it's good. Yeah, I think that's got to be what's happening here. So first thing we see is, let me go fast. Sam walks down the steps from the bedroom to the beach. It is 5.27 a.m. First question, Sam, why the heck are you up so early?

second question she looks insanely ripped like I eat a cheeseburger and I look like I'm three months pregnant this girl is like going on a lot of days of no movement and her abs are popping

I don't know if she's still doing like a workout every single day or like what her secret is or if it's like anti-blote pills but like I want to know her secret I don't know I hope she's okay because 11 days without going to the bathroom is a long time. Yeah. I feel like what is the record?

For longest survived, no bathroom situation? I don't know. I don't know if that would even be something that people would disclose in order for it to be accurately recorded. I'm sure it's a record. I'm sure it's like Guinness Booker record somewhere. That's crazy. So she pulls it, Aaron S. And she's like I, and she pulls the group and she's sad.

And everyone seems to really like. she seems to be very nice I know she's definitely well liked and I really felt bad for I did not think she was going to go home over this like I thought they were going to be like and you know her situation changed and now her stomach issues are resolved

and she's staying on the beach I mean it's it sounds like it it's funny right it's like a joke it's like she can't take a shit like ha ha but it's a medical condition and clearly it's it's serious like it's an issue I would be if I was on day 10, I would be freaking out. I'd be like, yeah, I can't, I can't stay here and try to make

a connection with somebody. Yeah. Well, on one hand, she probably is physically super uncomfortable. She probably is emotionally uncomfortable because everyone on the beach is talking about it. Like, I don't know. If I was in her position, I'd be like, I don't feel sexy. I feel really distracted. This is a stressful environment now for me. It's Mexico. So I'm not like, I'm not eating my normal diet. Like, I would also be like, I need to go home. Like, I don't blame her for her decision. I would do the same thing. Yeah, I feel bad for it because like I said,

I just feel like it's, I think some people watch it. Like, oh, she can't poop, poop baby. Ha ha, funny. But realistically, it's like, this sucks. Yeah. It's really just.

And I feel bad for ArenS too. I thought ArenS might have left with her, but he's also probably like, I'm just going to give her space and her privacy right now. I don't feel about that, though. Is it too early? To leave with someone? Yeah.

I mean, they've been together since day. one we're at the beginning of what week two when she leaves that's pretty so no it's too early they they haven't they haven't been hanging out that long to where he's going to like leave with her because you got to figure too like there's still so much time less they might not even have really hung out yeah yeah no no i don't i don't yeah you're right too soon to leave with her for sure okay so now we got a guy comes down um he's a nervous wreck but all the girls are are really excited to see him is john henry from charity

season um and yeah all the girls are are kind of going crazy um he's an underwater welder what jesse says is the most dangerous profession yeah i feel for him because he's a nervous wreck you can see when he gets a day card and he's he's shaken when he opens it um he pulls a few women he pulls cat who we could talk a lot about cat yeah but she seems to she seems open to it at least from what we're seeing of potentially going on a date with john henry we don't see watching that conversation but i think she would still say yes yeah i would have been interested because she had just gone on a date with tanner yeah right yeah so i'm curious to see if she would have gone on the date with john henry if he had asked her or not

Kylie said she was open to it. Yeah, which I was surprised about. But then I guess, you know, I feel like as much as we see these couples, we're like, oh, like they're so good. They're so locked in. Like, I think her and Avin are in a really good place, but I just don't think they're in the place yet where they're like, we're shutting it down.

We're not dating other people. Yeah. And I guess like it is, it is earlier. Yeah. And Avan didn't come down right away. Remember? Yeah.

And then we, and then he pulls Olivia. Yes. Then he takes Olivia on the date. I know. I was a little surprised about that. But at the same time, I feel like having seen Olivia talk to him,

she does have like a confidence to her where I feel like he is very nervous. He had a lot of nervous energy. Like compare it to you and I. Like you had such nervous energy on the first day because you were freaking out. And I feel like I was pretty like calm and we were able to have like good

conversation, like, through you freaking out. And I feel like that's kind of what happened with Olivia and John Henry. And she's pretty. She's a beautiful woman. Yeah. No, but do you think John Henry's decision was, was influenced at all by the fact that the other two women, one was dating Avin and the other one was dating Tanner and he looks at those guys and thinks.

I don't want to stir the pot. I don't want to stir the pot. I'm friends with Tanner. I don't really want to compete. with Avin, but will in pilot Pete, why not? I mean, maybe I honestly didn't think about that at all. I just thought, oh, they had the best connection and that was that. That's what I think's going on in paradise.

You think there's a lot of people that are super afraid to step on each other's toes just across the board. I agree. I think there's a lot of situations that have been caused because the guys and the girls, more so the guys, are like, that's my brain. bro, like, I'm not going for his girl. And I think a lot of people are just insecure and scared to do it. And I just, I feel like that.

I feel like that's what's starting to crumble. And that's why the show is now getting more interesting. More interesting. I like that theory. But I also liked that John Henry took Olivia on this date because I feel like Olivia in the beginning of Paradise with the whole Will Kylie thing was a lot. Like, it was like, you got to bring it down a few notches girlfriend. like we just got here, this is too much.

But she's now turned into like this very hilarious narrator for the show. And she's like very entertaining to watch and listen to. So watching her and John Henry on this day was great because he was so freaked out. And I feel like she was a good person to like almost balance him out to make the date fun. Yeah. I agree. And how about what was I going to say about? How about Olivia and Pete?

haven't even kissed you. Yeah, that was, that was shocking to me. So they are, they, they have been. They're not that serious. It's a friendship roasting at this point. At this point that could maybe go. I think Olivia going on the date made Peter realize, you know, maybe I actually have romantic feelings for her because I miss her a lot.

Or maybe it just made Peter like, hey, now you have competition. You have to step up if you want to continuously get a rose. Maybe or like I feel like a little competition, a little jealousy sometimes like brings out those feelings. Yeah. So then we get another drop. John B arrives and he grabs Eliza and just notice Eliza calls.

She goes, when she goes to talk to him, she calls Aaron Babe. Yeah. I'm going to talk to him, babe. Oh, no, no, no. She, not when he pulled her. When she got asked on the date, he said, yeah, can I just talk to Aaron first? And she said, like, let's go talk over here, babe, or something like that. If I'm Air and D, I'm like, do not babe me right now.

Do not babe me right now. Yeah. And I don't care like whatever. If Eliza wants to go on the date, fine. But for Eliza, it's kind of like, you're saying you didn't give yourself this chance last time. But that's exactly what you did. And also the reason you went on a date with Justin was because Ronnie, didn't tell your reasoning was Rodney

didn't tell you not to go and then you seem to be more into Aaron B he tells you not to go and you still go. Yeah, no like I was on the edge of my seat. From the moment John B pulled Eliza to the moment she left for that date I was on the edge of my seat because for those who watched last season you know

for those who didn't Eliza was in a love triangle she was dating Rodney Justin came down wanted to take her on a date she did the same thing where she was like, I want to explore, talk to Rodney about it, and Rodney was like, do what you want. Yeah. Like, I don't, like, I'll be sad,

but like I respect your decision. And she was basically like, I wanted him to tell me not to go. And if he told me, don't go on this day, I would have stayed. But because he didn't fight for me, I went on the date

and it created the messiest situation I've ever seen. She comes down. She's bawling on day two because Aaron B kissed Mercedes on day one and now he's talking to Eliza and she's like freaking out she's having full panic attack which we sympathized with we were like poor Eliza she's in a love triangle again poor Eliza she gets

out of it real quick and now she's putting herself back in another potential low triangle I was like what is going on she literally came down her whole thing I just want to meet one person I want to focus on one person and that changed within a matter of days and she's off on this date with John B like I literally am shocked and her reasoning too is like like I that's what I didn't get it's like yeah I didn't I didn't give myself this chance last last time it's like this is exactly what you did yeah like what do you mean you didn't give yourself this chance like this chance is what you took and you ruined your whole experience like Aaron B and Aaron B was like I don't want you to go like I hope you don't go and she goes and she has she seems to have a good time with John B they're

making out, they're having it fun, crazy move. Just shocking, like across the board for so many reasons, but whatever. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly, and now I'm seriously suspicious. Wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her.

Now he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone. Now, hold up. Isn't that against school policy? That sounds totally inappropriate. Well, according to this person, this is her boyfriend's former professor, and they're the same age. And it's even more likely that they're cheating. He insists there's nothing between them. I mean, do you believe him?

Well, he's certainly trying to get this person to believe him because he now wants them both to meet. So, do we find out if this person's boyfriend really cheated with his professor or not? To hear the explosive finale, listen to the OK Storytime podcast on the IHeart Radio app, podcast or wherever you get your podcast. Hi, it's Jemisbeg, host of the psychology of your 20s. Remember when you used to have Science Week at school? Well, if you loved that, how would you feel about a full psychology month? This September, the Psychology of Your 20s, we're breaking down the interesting

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in Americans' minds, but are filled with conspiracies, and we should fill it with the truth and solutions. Listen to next question with me, Katie Couric on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hot Sean, you know, he's still trying to go for Jess. He's still taking his chance.

Right when he does that, everything falls apart for Sean. because then... Wait, can we just go back for a second? Hot shot, shot is shot with Jessel the first day, okay? She wasn't into it. He tried again in the true circle. No, nothing came of that. And now he's trying for his third time.

I mean, you've got to respect the persistence. Well, what he needs is he needs a hard no. Yes, yeah. He needs a hard yes or a hard no because for him this like, he's like, I'm trying and she's not shutting it down. So maybe something's there. Yeah, maybe she just like doesn't want to hurt Blake's feelings or like, yeah. So then we see Braden is like, okay, well, if he doesn't care about Rachel, I'm going to go, I'm going to talk to Rachel.

Mm-hmm. And. And I mean, at this point, I don't think anyone really thinks that Hot Sean and Rachel are end game. I think they seem to just have like a good connection going for the time being. But like after the true circle, like we saw them have a combo where. they were like, we're open. And she was like, you should kiss Jess. Like, you should explore your options.

So how do we feel about Hachon getting mad at Brayden for doing that? Because essentially, that's what Hachon just did the Blake with Jess. What do you mean? No, but I don't think he was mad at Brayden for going for Rachel. I think he was mad at Brayden for outing him for what he was saying about Rachel. Because basically what happened was Sean was going, I guess, to the guys or the group and saying Rachel's super into me and I just don't know how I feel about her, which I don't buy for one second based on what we've seen.

And Braden went and basically, I don't know if Braden was intentionally bringing this up. He kind of played it off like he didn't mean to, but it kind of feels like he did mean to. Oh, for sure. Because I think he was trying to test the water to be like, well, Sean says you're into him. So I don't want to like, you know, get shut down. But I don't know. I don't even think Braden had. to do that though. I think Rachel would have been open to

talking to the Braden regardless of what hot shot was saying or not. I think so too. I think if he just went over and was like, hey, Sean's talking to Jess and I see my in. Would you be open to going and having a chat? Like, I'd love to get to know you better. I don't think he needed to like bring that up. But at the same time, it made for a very entertaining moment between Rachel and Sean on the beach where she kind of reams him out, which I feel like was a little bit well deserved. Yeah.

And then we see that the truth box. Another truth box, truth circle. Everyone's telling the truth on the show. Aaron B. Oh, wait. Can we go back to the combo with Sean and Rachel for one more second? Yeah. Okay.

So Sean says to Rachel he's not into jazz right after he's lying. He hit on jazz. Well, he knows now he stands no chance with Jess. So what's the point of even admitting it? How do you think Jess handled the combo between her and Sean? I thought she handled it well. Yeah, I could tell she was super nervous and uncomfortable, but I think she did a good job.

She seems sweet where she doesn't, and this is probably not going to work in her favor, but I think Jess has a very hard time. Hirting other people. Of hurting other people and just kind of going after what she wants. 100%. She, yeah, 100%. I think that is, that combo with her and Sean is like some foreshadowing

of how her journey might, go because I feel like when you're in paradise, the people that struggle the most are the people that are trying to appease everyone around them, like not step on their friend's toes, you know, not hurt any of the guys, whereas the people that are like, look, I'm not into you. I'm so sorry. Like I like you, but I'm really into Blake or whatever, like a little more direct, tend to get what they want more. Yeah, definitely. So the truth box gets broken. Truth box, Wells was very funny with it. I thought it was a little underwhelming. I think the main, the biggest things we saw How's Brayden, you know,

little of the brain and Braden pulled. That's when Brayden pulled Rachel. I thought that was cute the way he did it. Yeah. He just put a bunch of truths being like Brayden and Rachel should make out. And I was like, that is a great move.

That's actually very smooth. That was smart. And then we see Cat screaming in her interviews and like half the beach hears her and she's screaming that she's charismatic. She's always screaming that she's charismatic. Yeah. Cat.

Cats. She flips out on errands. Yeah. As she just, from what we see of Kat, she struggles to regulate her negative emotions. Yeah. Once they're out, they're flying everywhere. And she's going off in her ITMs, like, just absolutely. She's great to watch.

Freaking out. That's what I will say. I've become much more into the show since Kat has started freaking out in her ITMs. That's all I'll say. Yeah. She's really, she's really making the show entertaining right now. Okay. And then we're going to get a row ceremony, but we do see a teaser for next week where a girl does come down,

which would potentially save someone like Aaron B, Hachon, you see Hotson praying for someone to come down. Yeah, John B, Aaron S, we've got a couple guys that we're not 100% sure. Aaron S, not really be, sorry. Not 100% sure where some of the guys' rows are coming down. Who do you think it is? I actually have no idea. I don't know. Yeah, I don't know.

But we'll see. that wraps it that wraps the recap later this week stay tuned we got susan we got hot chan so we're going to ask him about everything that went down with him and braden him and rachel him and jess what you know he quit his job i know yeah i saw that is he unemployed is he working we're going to find all that out make sure you guys stay tuned um subscribe if you're not subscribing and i think that's it yeah anything else you want to say bye My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly, and now I'm seriously suspicious. Wait a minute, Sam.

Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, luckily, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend's been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone. Hold up. Isn't that against school policy? That seems inappropriate.

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