Bachelor Happy Hour - Pieper on Her Connection with Matt, Her Insecurities, and How She Stayed Away from All that Drama

Episode Date: February 9, 2021

“Bachelor” contestant Pieper James opens up about her one-on-one carnival date with Matt and reveals the conversation they had that made her begin to fall hard. Pieper also opens up about her own insecurities coming out when Heather made her appearance on the show. Plus, Pieper talks about the drama that went on between the women this season, and what she did to stay out of it.“Bachelor Happy Hour” has exclusive interviews every week. Watch “The Bachelor” on ABC and listen to “Bachelor Happy Hour” the next morning.Don’t forget to rate and subscribe so you never miss an episode.See omny.fm/listener for privacy information.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Open your free IHeartRadio app. Search Emergency Intercom and listen now. What up, Bachelor, Happy Hour listeners. Welcome back. We got a jam-packed episode for you guys today because last night's episode was jam-packed. We had blast from the past, Heather Martin, Tyler Cameron, a two-on-one or the conclusion of it.

We had a one-on-one. we somebody went home unexpectedly i don't even know where to start um well i'll start with this we've got a great guest on today like we always do and today we're having on piper james we saw her she had her romantic carnival date um her one-on-one finally she's been itching for it all of the ladies have and so we're going to talk to her about those details talk to her about some things that went down in last night's episode and um hopefully get a better understanding of what we have going on here. Becca, what did you think about last night's episode?

Like, overall. Overall, I mean, I felt like I was watching four different episodes wrapped up into one. Because, like you said, we started with the end of a two-on-one, row ceremony, then we get into the dates, then we have blasts from the past. Heather comes back and causing up quite a start. It was just, it was a lot. Like, I think I'm starting to realize this viewer I need. a proper start, middle, and end.

And we haven't gotten that. I feel like at all this season, same with last season. And so it's a struggle. But, I mean, we should just get into some of our main highlights because I have a bone to pick with Matt. And I'm just going to start it with this. Let's get into it. This happened in the middle of the episode, but he sent our girl Katie home.

He sent her home. And you know what? I love Katie so much that, like, this was the first. The first one where I was like, oh, do you think he ever thought he made a mistake? Like, I still wanted her back. But that's just me personally because, you know, it's a shocker. I love Katie. Katie for a bachelor's right.

I'll say that until the day I die. But let's just start, I guess, going back to the top of this two-on-one. Wait, is that the bone-to-pick? The bone-to-pick is that he sent Katie home? Yes. Becca. Compare, well. Katie was friend-zoned from the moment she brought the vibrator.

That is true. bet if we had asked Katie this question, she has a history of being friend zoned. And I'm not saying that she's because she can hang with the guys. And I'm saying this from a person myself who like used to be the master of friend zoning herself because you're just so cool that people can't see the romantic side. There was nothing romantic. Right? Right? Right. Actually, Minnow. Minow. Because I remember at one point and this, I thought it in another episode too, I think, when she first went to him and was like, there's really toxic behavior happening, talk to the girls about that. And then, and right when they got together on their date, like, there, I don't think

they ever kissed. We never once saw them kiss. I don't even know if we, like, really, truly saw them hug that much. They kissed on this one. I think they had kissed before. They kissed on this date. And I'm like you. When they did it, I was like, huh, have we seen this before? That's weird. Total free. He broed her out. I mean, my God, he brought her. Like, he was way more to Tyler on that date than he was with. I'm going to go. Got a massage? He was, Tyler has been his favorite date.

He has been more into Tyler than he has been with any of the women. The joy, not happiness. I know we're jumping around, but the pure joy on Matt James' face. We saw all his teeth. His mouth, when smile was to his ears, he was rolling over laughing. I mean, I, Matt. I, I, yes, 1,000 percent. He was more excited to see Tyler.

But when he went in from that massage, but like, he went in so nicely. He was trying to be a woman. He was like, I was watching his hands. I was like, oh, I feel like I'm watching a little bit too much. Oh, then when he went in to hug, Matt, all I could think about was like, you're going to get all this oil. I was going to just say Lou, but it's oil on your sweater. I was like, don't do that. Carrie Fubman will have a bone.

to pick with you too, sir. Did you notice that he can't wink? When he's telling Katie what he's about to do, he winked, he bats both eyes. And I rewound it to make sure. I said, oh, my God, Matt James can't wink. He's like. But it's the only time he closes his eyes. As if he's trying to wink.

Listen, I was shocked. I was like, oh my gosh, he was like trying to like be coy. Like, I got a little something up my sleeve. And he like winked both. I want everyone to be watching Rachel do this too because as you do it you like turtle up with your shoulders too it's like a full body reaction oh think of all the memes that are going to come out with this one can't wait um yeah I will okay since we're on the topic of this one-on-one date I would have loved this date

that would be behind the scenes to be just like messing with somebody not romantic at all but so much fun. It would be fun. But if you're Katie, you've got to see the writing on the wall, there was nothing romantic about that date. Maybe she didn't think she was going to get sent home, but she definitely wasn't going to get a rose at the next rose ceremony. Right. It was such a missed opportunity to not bring out the vibrator and put it on like Tyler's back during this massage or like put it somewhere to start hearing it vibrate. That's actually a really good idea. a lot of miss moments. I thought they're laughing so hard. Did they do things that were just too hot for TV? Because her rolling on Tyler's head is not funny to me. Where is the, like, once we got to

the nipples, there was nothing else there. Like, there could have been so many other things I felt like if they could have done to make this more spicy or for Tyler to have like a bigger reaction to. And Tyler totally liked when she was like, oh, he's hotter in person. Tyler looked up like, Yeah, I am. It wasn't even disturbed that the woman was talking about him. He was like, that's right. Go run, tell that to everybody else. And then she just keeps turning his head and putting it back in this donut.

I mean, look, if they can do a whole erotic book speaking day, talking about everyone's deepest, darkest fantasies, they could have gone a little bit more balls to the walls. Yeah. She could have been like, can you remove your towel? You know, like at this point we've reached the point in the massage where it's time for you to remove your towel. You know, like, just something wild. I'm just picturing now, Phoebe from friends when she's giving somebody a massage and she bites the butt. Okay.

That probably would have been a little bit illegal on this. I get it. Yeah, but. And we have no more Bachelor, Bachelorette, ladies and gentlemen. That was the end of the show. Like, there's so many things, okay, this point you feed me strawberries. Okay, now we're going to put the chocolate syrup. You're like, I don't know.

There was missed opportunity. There were so many things that could have been done. yeah so that's your bone to pick with Matt that makes it I mean like I get it we like Katie but Matt didn't like her in that way but you know what

even when he sent her home he said something that I don't think any lead maybe from what I can remember has said to somebody is he goes like I loved our time together but I know like how like how did he word it

like how much you mediated and brought to the group of women which I appreciated to like he recognized how she, you know, like would stand her ground and have these hard, weird confrontations with some of the girls, but like still, I mean, like from what I saw, try to keep up the morale and like stop the trash talking half the time. So I liked how he actually was attentive to that part about it. You know how I read that? Thank you, Katie. Your services are no longer needed here. I have cleaned house. I have cleaned house. I have gotten rid of the

drama and you are no longer needed. That's how I read that moment. it. Oh, this is how different our brains work sometimes. This is why I love doing this with you. I really was like, wow, like, yeah, I'm going to give you this one-on-one to get you out the house, to thank you for your services, to have a little fun, but it's time for you to go home. Rachel, on your season, did you get rid of anyone on a one-on-one date, or was it all during rose ceremonies? Um, no, I got rid of people on group. Yes, I got rid of Jackstone. remember jackstone um for those of you who are not what can't see that that was me imitating him we all remember that look okay jackstone i got rid of on a one-on-one and i got rid of people on group

dates okay well kinney wasn't to get rid of it was a mutual thing because of his daughter yeah yeah i'm trying to think i thinking back i didn't get rid of one guy on a one-on-one date i kept them all really mm-hmm it was only on the group dates and at the rose ceremonies. I think it's because, like, I was, I really wanted to invest my time in guys that I liked. And also, I just probably was too nervous to, like, actually not give them the rose. I don't know. No, you're nice. You're so much, you know, like you said, a balance here, a balance here. You know what? I want to create a new segment on this show. And it's going to be called read the room, whether you were able to read it or not. And the person that I would like to

throw into this, who did not read the room properly, is Serena C. Oh, yeah. Serena C gets the award for not being able to read the room. There's a lot of these girls, but today, this episode, it's Serenacy. And I'll tell you why. You have seen Victoria, Anna, who else am I missing, MJ, all go home because of the drama that they created unnecessarily. especially at this point in the journey yet you decide you know what I'm going to stir some shit up as if you didn't see

all of these other people go home you see that Matt isn't playing games anymore and you just start to cause unnecessary drama with a person you know is really not about the drama but about letting Matt know he needs to handle drama in the house I mean were you not sitting here at the moment

saying Serena this can't end well for you in no way like girl you know you got the rose at the end of the rose ceremony to do this shit and you still did it it's so i feel like that's so much of these some of these women and the conversations like i keep using the words bizarre and delusional because i truly like as a viewer things don't add up to me and so watching her confront katie and basically blaming her for everything that's happened up until this point for like things katie hasn't even done i'm like did i miss something like

there's such a disconnect and you know like maybe it's a little bit of the editing but it's just like girl you're pulling something from a week or two ago that you're mad at now and now you're just confronting katie about it it just i mean something's not adding up i just truly don't get it she had to have known you got that rose to do this literally this was your sole purpose and somehow you felt for it somehow you felt it was necessary for for you to bring drama back into the house. How do you not see yourself, read the room? How do you not see yourself as a mean girl at this point?

How do you not see yourself as a potter? Like, why are you not focused on Matt and the fact that you really don't have a relationship with him, at least from what I can see at this point? It just makes no sense. Like, where's the self-awareness? And like the whole conversation, obviously, that was probably one of the most heated conversations we've seen between two of the women. but when she's then talking about Katie with the group of women,

the part that didn't make sense to me is then Katie comes in and Serenasi basically said, well, you said like you're not here for Matt. And Katie's like, when in the conversation did I say that? Like, what? Exactly. Full out liar. Full, like, does people not, either she lies or, well, she did lie.

And she just, or she just didn't remember what she said or like, I don't know. I can't make any excuses for her. I just, I don't, I don't understand why in that moment she didn't think this information was going to come back. You do realize this is being filmed and recorded, right? Right. Yeah.

Well, that's what I keep thinking with all these women. And at one point, too, like, I remember being lead, you know, there's a lot that you miss that you're not privy to when you're not constantly in the house with the group of men. Yeah. Well, in our case, men, but this case, women. But when there was something major enough, like, I would get snippets. Like, I was still aware a little bit of what was going to. going on, like, who was causing issues. And so I'm just surprised that Matt hasn't had any of that

up until this point, really with any of the women, had it not been for Katie. Exactly. Or just any of who, you know, said MJ's name. But yeah, it just. Yeah. Maybe, yeah, maybe because Matt's like brand new to all of this, his journey is way different from what we've experienced, but it's just not adding up. We should add this, read the room segment and do a poll on Instagram each week. I see what the viewers have to say. Absolutely. I apologize, you guys.

I can't believe that I just said I was nominating Serena C. When there's one person who can't just not read a room, I don't even know what to call it. Read, like, society. I don't even know. I'm at a loss of words here because I am completely lost as to why a white minivan pulled up a gate and out pops with a smile, a full face of makeup, hair done, probably a brand new outfit, Heather Martin. She didn't read the room, so she gets to go into this as well.

Before we get into that, is there anything you wanted to say about the two-on-one? I just, I mean, I like watching it, again, like, and this is something I keep saying, it didn't, like, it was the most random two-on-one to me. I was like, how are both of these two women here? But kind of playing back to your point, the entire time I kept thinking, MJ, like, people are going to watch this back. Matt's going to watch this back. We're going to see what kind of conversations and what words were being had coming out of your mouth that, like, you're not really like owning up to the things that you've said in the past. It just didn't make sense.

So honestly, like, I wanted MJ to go home in that, in that case, which she did. Becca. What were your thoughts? Oh, I was over them. Like, I forgot. I was like, oh, we picked off here. Like, when, are you going to send MJ home or not? You know, he did.

I was done with it. I really didn't have it. Like, delusional. MJ was delusional. All these, the ones who seem to be the mean girls really just seem to not get it. I've never seen a larger group of girls who just don't get it. Like, who's their hype man? Ladies, ladies, if you're thinking about going on this show, watch and learn and don't do.

Yeah. Here's the question. Oh, go ahead. Well, I was just going to say, that's why. I am so intrigued for women to all know to see what it's going to be like. Like, are they going to, now that they're being caught and called out and all of America and the viewers who are watching this, like, have seen the things that they've said and how they've interacted with other women.

It's like, there's really no hiding it. So it's like, how are you going to then act? Like, are you going to try to save face? Absolutely. Are you going to stand up for the things that you said? It's going to be very interesting to watch. They're saving face. They got to increase those followers.

They got to get on those beaches of paradise. You know what I mean? Like, they got to keep this thing going. Here's my question for you, Becca. Yes. You're a good friend. You really are. And I know this as a person, and, like, individually, like, you know, because we have a friendship, but also just, like, perception, right?

Like, I think most of our listeners would say, that Becca Kufrin, she's a good friend. Would you ever suggest that your friend should roll up? on a set unannounced to pursue the Bachelor would you would you call that sound friend advice

I would say no two reasons I would you know trying to put myself in that position it's like if I have a best friend who is now the lead of a show and a best friend

who's just my friend from a show, I would have done what I could beforehand to bring them together. You know, like, let's be honest, if they were to meet and, like, if they were really compatible, the real world is a thousand times going to be better for them to get to know each other

than in this bubble. So I would say, like, hey, let's have you guys meet it before. That would be my take if I really thought that somebody would hit it off. Also, like, you know, like, there's so much more at play this. season. Like there's COVID. You have to quarantine. People's health is at risk. And so for me,

I think I struggled with the fact that like it seemed all of that hard work and being in the safe bubble seemed to be just like thrown to the side and disregarded. Like if there wasn't a care, it was just like, hi, can I be here? I really want to meet him. Yeah. Like, you know, not taking into consideration there are like, it's an entire massive crew, a massive resort that have put time and effort. And however many, God knows willing, COVID tests to keep it safe, it's just, it was weird to think that, like, you could just drive up and think that you're going to walk in. Yeah.

Yeah. Listen. She threw Hannah Brown under that van. She popped out and said, not on the bus under the van. She popped out and was like, well, my friend Hannah Brown told me, I said, oh, my gosh. She came back from quarantining with Matt. So that was, what, April? Matt wasn't announced till June.

So no time in between there. She told you you'd be great together and y'all didn't decide, hey, we should talk. It doesn't make any sense. And for all the people who are saying, we have to protect Heather, Heather was manipulated. Heather is a grown-ass woman. and I am not in the business of coddling, like, illogical behavior. Heather is grown. Heather decided to drive up there, put on makeup, get her hair done, you know what I mean,

to potentially meet Matt James. Nobody forced her in that van. Nobody forced makeup on her for her to get all dolled up to go meet him. I just don't understand what good she could have thought would have. have come out of this, that is the only way that makes me feel a little bit sorry for her that she was that delusional to where she thought that something good would come out of this. Not only are you popping up mid-season, not only are you, as you said, putting people in jeopardy, and we're in the middle of a pandemic, why would you think the girls would befriend

you at this point when they've been establishing a relationship with this man? And here you come, waltzing in, thinking that you have some sort of advantage because you were best friends with his best friend. it just made no sense and I'll tell you what they didn't do her any favors by showing us those videos those diary videos that she was doing what was that

she was bored Rachel what never in my life have I been bored enough where I put a pizza box on my head and did a little two-step because I was bored you know what I mean you don't waste the cards I learned that long ago I mean like I get but but you're bored this is what you asked for you came here you have to quarantine this is what this is what you wanted to meet matt james they did

her no favors they did not paint her in a good light showing us those video diaries i mean it was wacky wacky is the word there was like i was trying to figure out why like you know try to play devil's advocate if i could like please help me help me see you know what would be my thought process why why would i think showing up here that it could work and i like the only thing that really makes sense in my mind is like when you go through the show and you are living in this bubble and and you probably experienced it too is like everything is so romanticized it's like like all you want is love you want to find that like strong unique love story and so I think maybe she was just going off of that like oh like if this could work out you know maybe

she's a hopeless romantic like if this could work out it could be the most random cool unique story. Like I showed up halfway through. We have these mutual best friends. You say that we're perfect for each other. We probably both, you know, have a lot of similarities in our faith. And so that's where I'm trying to think of like putting yourself back in that bubble mindset of like everything so beautiful and romanticized. And so that's where I think she was coming from. I mean, and I don't want to speak for her, but that's like the only somehow kind of makes sense to me. The part that's hard, though, for me is it'd be one thing if they had met and knew each other a little bit and it was like he was the one that got away that type of thing like you had had some sort of connection something was already built upon but it was bizarre not the fact that like they had never met you know so if it was like somebody like oh you know like we had this sort of connection and then he was announced as a bad story and it was pulled away and I like couldn't get him out of my mind like kind of like the nick vial on a Caitlin season that type thing that type of thing makes sense to me But they had never met.

Right, right. I don't even know, maybe they had faced him. I have no idea, but the fact that it's like a total complete stranger was the weird part. Right. I would give you the romantic part, except for she was out of that bubble. She was living in the real world. So, you know, it's not like she was sitting in this bubble the whole time waiting, like she was quarantining the whole time. She was in reality.

They were in the bubble. And the only other thing I'll say is if Hannah Brown was telling you that you would be great with Matt when she returned from quarantine, was she not telling Matt, hey, you'd be great with my friend Heather? I'm pretty sure she was. And he didn't act on it. Men are very simple. If Matt was interested in Heather, he would have pursued her before coming on The Bachelor, but he didn't. And even if he did, he felt it was a better opportunity for him to go on the show rather than pursue something with you. Yeah.

What are you doing? Well, and point Blake, anyone's going to, you know, have this opportunity and probably pick being the lead over anything, regardless at that point in their life. So I would have, I would have flown to you, Becca, and said, this is a bad idea. Please don't do this. This is, in no way can this end well for you. It just can't. And I just, I mean, I don't want to talk to Heather on the podcast, but I, I would love to

know why you thought it was a good idea. Maybe, you know, like, help me understand why you thought this was a good idea. Actually, I really don't care. Who's coming on our podcast today? Who's the guest? Let's be getting the guest. I actually really don't care. I'm lying, y'all. I don't care. Well, you know, speaking of guests, she's been a favorite of ours since beginning. And, you know, we could recap for hours, but why not just get to know the girl for who she is, the incredible woman that we're starting to finally see? So with that, I think it's just time that we bring her on because last night she was the one who had her first romantic one-on-one of the season and we can't wait to hear all about it and then some so please welcome piper welcome piper we're so

excited to have you on bachelor happy hour and before we get started i think both of us want to say we're excited to have you today because we've had this conversation about some of the girls where we're really not fully getting to know you for you you know there's been so much drama wrapped up in each in every episode that your first one-on-one, we really got to see more, but that's why we wanted to have you here is where we can hear it from you. You can give us everything of who Piper James is, how she got to be where she is. So with that, welcome. How are you? I'm really well. How are you guys? Good. Good. I'm happy to talk to you. For all of our listeners who obviously can't see the background's Piper's background is stunning right now. Where are you? Where do you live? Where are you based?

I'm currently at home in Oregon, so, you know, this is Oregon. This is what it is, and luckily it's not pouring down rain today, which is always a treat in the winter here. Wait, is it like always raining? Is it, is it very twilightish? Very twilight, always raining, gloomy, snuggle up in a blanket weather. That's Oregon. Do you like that? Do you like, is Oregon like someplace you always want to be? No. I mean, I'm not trying to move to. I'm trying to move to New York, so it's not like I'm to be in a warmer climate, but I love Oregon. I went to undergrad here. It's just a little, a little too cold and a little too small town vibes, even if you're in Portland, the big city. Girl, you're talking to a girl who lived in Minnesota and now I moved to L.A. and I feel like

I'm thriving here, so I totally get it. Yeah. One thing that I want to start off the bat asking you, because this is the first, this is the first moment that the world saw Piper is, night one, you come out of the limo. And I think I said this when we recapped that episode was your entrance was one of my favorites because of what you said, which was something along the lines that your dad really wanted you and your sisters to keep your last name. Now, is that something he's always expressed to you? How do you feel about that? Because I loved it. Like I was just like, yeah, you go, girl. You have, well, obviously, Matt wouldn't potentially have to change his last name if that was the case, but like, you make that man change and work for your name.

Yeah. My dad has always said to my sisters and I, and I only have sisters. I don't have any brothers. So my dad was like, yeah, you're going to keep your last name. Like it wasn't really a question of if or, you know, it was like, that's going to happen. And I like my name, Piper James. Like, it's rolls off the time. So I was always like down for that.

And so, you know, it's so perfect meeting that and being like, I get to express it to someone that's not a conversation that you have to have down the line of who's the last name the last name conversation so perfect how many how many sisters two two yes where do you fall i'm the oldest they're twins um they're two and a half years younger okay okay yes so piper piggybacking on what uh i almost called you Rebecca. I've never in my life said Rebecca. Am I in trouble? I have no idea where that was coming from. I'm stop myself. Picking, piggybacking on what Becca, no, Becca said, Becca said, I don't know why. I love your name, but I've called you Becca. It has been, and I want to know your take on this. It's hard to prepare questions to talk to you.

you because it seems like we don't know you because there's been so much focus on the drama. That's frustrating for us as viewers because we're like, they all seem to be on the same plank. We like, who is, first of all, who is Matt? And who are these ladies? Do you find it frustrating that we didn't get to really know or we're not getting to know, you know, like the women who are left on the show so far? and what is it about you that you want us to know?

Yeah, I think that it is, it was frustrating just because obviously, like, I know all of the women because, you know, we live together. And so it's, it's hard to watch it back and be like, oh, like, that moment didn't make it. And that was really cute. And, like, that part of Matt and I's relationship didn't make it. And that was, like, a really big moment for me. So, yeah, that's probably the hardest part about watching it back and just being like, I always said, like, I felt like a bystander in my own love story, but now it's like, now even the parts of my love story that I was so excited about people aren't seeing.

So I guess I don't really know exactly, like, I wouldn't say that there's one thing that I was like, I wish that people would have seen this. It's just kind of like the combination of different conversations I had with Matt that kind of led up to the one-on-one that kind of like makes it all makes sense. I feel like we had a lot of really good conversations about where we stand emotionally and kind of how we express our emotions, but then also just like fun, goofy conversations that add to someone's playful side that, you know, aren't always shown. Like, give us an example because more than ever, like normally we see somebody say, I'm falling in love, right? But more than ever, it's like, where, how?

Well, you're like, who, when, where, why how? Because we're, it's just like you woke, like you get a date and you're like, like I'm falling in love. And surely there's something that you guys had in conversation. So like, give us an example of like something we missed out on something you were excited for us to see that wasn't shown. Yeah, I think the biggest thing was, so obviously I'm in grad school and education has always been like a big part. I love school. So, you know, obviously that's why I chose to go to grad school. And Matt and I have this really good conversation about what it means to support your partner. And I was kind of expressing to him that like really

relationships for me, how I view them, it's not, you know, one person is just cheering on the other person. It's a mutual cheering on of each other. And that's kind of how I stand in relationships. So I would, you know, my ideal partner is somebody who would support me and like, yeah, get your degree, get your dream job. And, you know, for whatever goals they have, I would also support them. And we had this great conversation just about like where we stand and how we view relationships is partnerships and that kind of dynamic. And I think that that for me was a really solidifying point because that's something that I see in my family.

That's how my parents are. That's how my grandparents are. And to have that confirmed to me that that's like exactly how he feels too. That kind of like was like, wow, you know, this is a big moment. I thought we can see eye to eye on like the fundamental foundation of how to build a relationship. I want to piggyback off of all of this because this is something that I've just thought about. Obviously, Rachel and I, we watch as a viewer now.

We know kind of what goes into filming and going through an entire season. And I remember being in your shoes and getting so excited for Monday nights because we didn't know what was going to air. We were so excited. Like, what parts was my relationship with The Bachelor at the time going to be shown? And, like, you know. And so I guess playing up the fact that people really aren't seeing those more intimate, in-depth conversations between you and Matt, like, for you. you, and I'm assuming you probably still talk to some of the girls too, have you had this conversation with them? We're like, do you guys feel sort of jipped in a way where, like, you

thought it was going to be one thing watching it? And then it's, you know, the drama has just really overtaken everything. Like, how is that for you now viewing it back? Yeah. I mean, I think because you're, you're only one person and there's, you know, we started off with 32 women, now 37 women. I think that I was like so hyper-focused on like my, relationship with Matt and then like making a few friends but that was like a happy side effect of the whole process that I didn't really realize that all of these other conversations were happening and all of this other drama like you know the briny and a thing because it was a group date that I wasn't on I didn't I wasn't per reach that conversation or you know just certain things like that so I think

it's frustrating but it's also just kind of like I had no idea like I kind of feel stupid because I'm like I didn't know this was going on I didn't realize to what extent everything happened because, you know, you are only one person and it is only a two-hour show and there's so much that goes into everything and so many different conversations. Do you feel like it's a little bit of a letdown in a way? Yeah, I mean, I feel like there's amazing women on this season and I would have loved for everyone to get to know them the way that I know them because, you know, only focusing on the drama, it's kind of disappointing. You know, I want everyone to have their equal shot to share

what an amazing person each of these women are and everyone is just so focused and only sees a lot of the negative stuff that happened. Right. So one of the things that was like a surprise that we were kind of like, oh, okay, there's something between these two was when Matt popped up on the farm date

and you're in your ITM and y'all start making out, not a peck, not a kiss. He might have even had his eyes close for this. I'm unsure, but you guys were going at it. And it was like, wow, he really has this connection with Piper. And then we see you get your one-on-one. You finally get it. We know you've been waiting for it.

And I know it's like it's hard as time goes on. But again, this is the sweet spot. Mid-season is the sweet spot to get the one-on-one. Talk to us about what it felt like to have that date. Carnival dates are always fun. Plus, you had, you know, like the romantic part with the group as well. Yes. Yeah.

to the farm date point that was I didn't realize that he was running from MJ I didn't know that that was even a thing I just kind of saw him running over and I was like oh like obviously joking around like come join my interview and then it was kind of just a happy surprise and it kind of was just nice to have that moment away from everybody because I mean as you guys know group dates are so hard to find your moment and you know be seen but without being like overtly annoying or you know whatever it may be. So that was really cute to just kind of get that validation of like, I see you, like, let's take this moment and really capitalize on it. So that was really special. And then, yeah, the carnival date was so, I mean, like, the whole time in the car when he was like,

what do you think we're doing? What do you think we're doing? I was like, I don't know. I'm not going to get a thing. And so it was like above and beyond like what I could have dreamed of. It was amazing. He asked you what you would do in the woods at night. I was like, I thought that was, I was like, what the fuck do you think she's going to, what kind of question is this? Ben the whole time of the woods. Do you think he got nervous though? Because sometimes I say stupid shit like that when I get a little bit nervous if I'm into someone. And then I'm like, what just popped out of my mouth? I don't know. Let's just talk it up to he was really into you and you made him a little bit nervous. Yeah, that's perfect. But speaking of dates, what if he were to ask

you instead of a carnival date if it would have been a picnic? How would you have felt? Because I had a bone to pick with you and your bio when it came out because it read that you didn't like picnic. I'm like, who doesn't like a good picnic? Um, I mean, if it was a picnic in the middle of the forest at night, I'm sure it would have been romantic. I don't know what it is

about picnics. I don't know why that's like some, like a weird quirk that I have, but like something about sitting on the ground is just like uncomfortable, the posture, the, I don't know, I don't know. I'm like, just throw a table in there. Even just a chair, I'll eat off my lap, but like something about the posture and trying to look cute on a

picnic. Not, not. So you were not jealous of Serena P to get one of the first dates, the one-on-ones, and it was the picnic. Yeah, I love animals, but to have to sit on the ground and deal with animals, I don't know if that would have been my cup of tea. But anytime with Matt

is good, so I would have sucked it up and done the picnic. And mules at that. Not just any, mules with goats, mules. Did I make that up? Baby donkeys, I think, right? Meals. Mules. Something was in their faces they were making out.

So, yeah, you lucked out on the carnival one. Yeah. For sure. Talk to us about the nighttime portion because I think we were a little, obviously we know like we can't get the full date, but you have this intimate moment with Matt and you're talking about your family and you're explaining why it's so difficult for you to open up and express your feelings, even though you say you're falling in love with him. You know, so something made you open up.

Talk a little bit about that because I think. we were a little unclear as to what it was that, you know, has kind of held you back from opening up. Yeah, that was kind of capitalizing on a previous conversation that we would, we had had my love language. I feel like there's a difference between like the love language you want and the love language you give. And for me, my, the love language I've been taught for my family is love through actions. And so like, you know, the bachelor world isn't really conducive to that. because I'm the kind of person that wants to like do something for you or like let's go do this together or like quality time and that kind of thing um it's for me it's so hard for me to open up

and just tell somebody how I feel and I think that comes from just like a fear of rejection or a fear of judgment so um that's why that's kind of what that conversation was about was you know I am so used to in my life you know being like let me get you a gift let's do this let's have this experience together and that's kind of how I show and typically receive love but um having to verbalize that because nobody can read your mind and not something that I kind of had to remind myself like no one's going to read your mind no one's going to tell not for you how you feel um I think that's what made me overly emotional was having to be like point blank this is how I feel and now you have now I'm just open to that rejection um that's that's what it was I want to know this is a

two-part question and they're both kind of random first like after you had that conversation with matt i mean and granted it it was filmed months ago so you know that took place a while ago for you but now watching it back was there any part of you that was nervous to have your family watch that and hear what you had to say or was that something that you had either a conversation with a while ago or right before it aired what was that dynamic like and then my second part to the question is since coming off of the show because we all know, and originally I talk about this on the podcast all the time, the show

opens you up in such a weird, unique way, like, kind of just cuts you open and everything spills out that you have to share with a partner. Because, you know, things are sped up. So since then, and going through that experience and having to go through opening up and the emotion and the feeling

behind why you're feeling certain things, do you think your love language has changed? Or a couple of them have maybe changed or swift swapped areas. Yeah, yeah. The first part, like my family, I definitely gave them a warning of that this is what's to come. And, you know, I think that, you know, since going through this experience, it's kind of made me more cognizant of, you know, mentioning it, like saying, giving words of affirmation to my family, because I know that's something that we don't typically

do, but I'm like, you know, this has kind of taught me how to do that. And so I think that there's definitely a growing experience there. And then yeah, I think that I think that my love language, I've just become more perceptive to what they are. And I think above all else, this experience has taught me how important quality time is because I think that I don't think that quality time can even be considered a love language. I think it's just like the foundation to build all of the rest of them onto because you can't tell someone how you feel if you're not with them. You can't give them gifts you can't show them affection if you don't have that time together um so i think it's just made me perceptive of like above all else i need quality time and now i have the tools and i feel like i'm

better equipped to share how i feel and to give those words of affirmation or you know be able to express how i'm feeling and understand that that's not a weakness that's just a part of growing with a partner what's your master's in marketing oh okay i thought you would have said like counseling or something I mean, I was like, I was like, oh, okay. Well, maybe like, you know, you understand people. I feel like that's like a good, a tool for a key, like for a marketer, like a successful market. Yeah, yeah. Just from that statement alone, I feel like you're so perceptive.

Yeah. Well, my undergrad's in political science and sociology, so the sociology part of it, the understanding of people. Okay. You're Polly Sigh. I'm surprised you didn't go to law school. That was a thought. There was a good amount of time where I thought I was going to go to law school. How much school do you have left?

So I'll be done at the end of summer. So like August, I'll be good to go. Then New York, here we come. I love how in your bio, what did you say? Getting my MS, so I don't have to deal with the BS. Did you come up with that or did somebody else? I did. She's a marketer.

She's a marketer. She's a marketer. That's how I market myself. It comes with it. Well, speaking of BS, unfortunately, Piper, we have to get into it because that has been so much of what this season has been about. You lived it. You were right there in the mix.

And what I say in the mix is in, you lived with them. You seem to not be a part of the drama at all, except, actually, I'm going to detour, except when all Heather Martin came in. Oh, yeah. She interrupted you. And my favorite part might have been that you had no idea who she was. I actually laughed out loud. I thought, wow, these girls haven't really watched some of the most more recent.

seasons because a lot of times like bachelor world people expect you to know who they are and you were like i don't know some girls just walked in i was dying laughing um then in the previews we see you get very emotional over the fact that you know she's there um can you talk to us a little bit about like what that felt like to have this stranger walk in matt's reaction of laughing um and then you know to find out who she is and then just another girl new girl added to the mix. Yeah. Yeah, I think at that point, well, the reason I was so emotional, I think, and obviously

I've had some time to think about it. But, you know, I think the reason I was so emotional and I didn't know who she was because I've only seen one season. Yeah. Yeah. So I was emotional because I had just, it was coming off my one-on-one. And so I was, you know, having the last conversation I had with Matt be like such a serious conversation about feelings and everything.

I mean, as we all know, you don't just stop with the one-on-one and be like, that's it, we're good, let's get engaged. It's like you have to continue that relationship. You just are better equipped to do so. So at that point, I was just trying to have a fun, more light-hearted conversation, but still, you know, get into our feelings and talk about what life would be together in New York. And that was kind of the context of what was going on.

And then to have her interrupt. And then it wasn't in the way that like all of the other women in the house we typically would ask like the other woman like hey can i steal him and it was like that's kind of the repertoire we've come up with and she asked matt specifically and i was just kind of like i don't know who she was he started laughing and i was like why is this funny like i just felt like really invisible it wasn't piper yeah but i was like oh my god his reaction yeah his reaction was and i think that that's kind of i crapped i will fully admit that i craft in that moment, but that's why I was so wild.

Let me ask you this then. In that moment, because, I mean, and this is something I think Rachel brought up at the premiere is like when Matt's uncomfortable and nervous, he laughs. Like, he did that, I think, during one limo entrance. Like, he just broke down. And obviously we saw that when Heather walked in the room. Was there a part of you who thought like, you know what? Match is going to be like, no. Like, Heather, take your time. You could wait. Let me sit here with Piper right now? Like, how did you feel when he was like, okay, Piper, I'll see you later? Because, you know, like, as you said at that point, you already had a one-on-one. You already had this relationship form. So I feel like if I was you, I'd be like, but I'm the one you're

really dating here. Why are you telling me to take a hike and you're going to give this girl the time of day? Yeah. Yeah, that was definitely a thought that went through my mind. And it was like, and I think that's the, that's like, the part of it. But I was like, oh, my gosh, I feel so invisible because it's like, we were in the middle of a conversation. It's not like we were at like a stopping point. So for him to laugh and then be like, give me a second. I was like, oh, okay. And I mean, like the embodiment of Heather, a beautiful white blonde woman is a lot of the insecurities that I know that I have. So that was just a projection. Talk about that. Talk about that. Why do you have that in those insecurities? I mean, it sounds from like a lot of

different places. I mean, growing up in Oregon definitely doesn't help. It's a very white state. I think that that's, you know, known to most people. So I think that a lot of the time, dating has been like, does he even like black women? Does he like women with curly hair? I never do anything to my hair. It's always curly. It's beautiful, by the way. It is beautiful. Thank you. Thank you so much. Um, so I think that coming into this season, that was an insecurity that I had had. And then obviously I developed a relationship with Matt and that wasn't a problem. Um, and the other women in the house that were white women. I knew them personally. So it wasn't that I didn't feel threatened by them. It's just that I didn't see. I didn't really place that

insecurity in them. But then seeing Heather as like this new person, I don't know who she is. I was feeling very insecure in that moment because she embodies basically the opposite of me and a woman. And I was like, I don't know how to deal with this. I don't know. I haven't gotten to the point. I will fully admit to deal with those insecurities when they happen in front of me. It usually happens in a reflection period. So that was that was really hard to deal with. Yeah. Yeah. That's real. Is that a conversation that you eventually were ever able to have with him. And maybe that's, maybe I don't know if that's like going to be giving too much away,

but just so you could express that to him so he realized like why you did feel invisible. Yeah. I mean, we, we kind of touched on like, and then like there's the, an apology and everything. So, but I don't think I ever expressed to him that specific insecurity because like I said, I think that it was only in reflection that I was really able to be like, why did I act like that? Like I was so level headed until that moment. and then I completely lost it. And I think that through the combination of things,

that was probably in the top one or two things that really was the reason I acted the way I did. You cared. There's nothing wrong with that. You cared. Let me tell you what it seems like y'all didn't care about. Okay. Katie.

Now, I found this moment weird. When Katie's suitcase was rolled away, nobody was emotional. Nobody cried. At this point, How many of y'all were left at this point? I don't even know. At this point, I remember I cried every single time one of my girlfriends went home.

There was a little bit of chuckling. There was covering up of their faces. So many faces covered up. I don't want people to see I'm smiling. Does Katie not, was she not liked in the house? I mean, we saw the way that Serena C came at her, which was illogical. No, I know why she did, but it just was awes. But then I thought nobody really took up for her in that moment.

She kind of was by herself. Can you give us some insight on that? Yeah, I mean, I obviously don't know Katie's relationship with everybody in the house. Obviously, her and Serenica did not get along. I don't really, I think that we were all a little bit shocked that she went. I think that was part of the face covering, but I don't know. I think that because Katie had taken it upon herself to bring the drama to Matt, that she took on that role.

And I think that in doing so, that kind of created a lot of division. So maybe the reason that a lot of women didn't feel as hurt or sad that she was leaving was because at this point, we didn't really have drama in the house. And so it was like, we all kind of had this underlying fear. At least I had an underlying fear of like, is she going to create drama and bring it to him? I just, I don't know. But Piper, she wasn't creating drama. She told no lie. It's like the shit was actually happening.

And yeah. So, I mean, were you close with Katie? I'm confused because it seems like people were upset for her for telling what was happening in the house. But it was actually really happening and it was pretty toxic. Yeah, and I can't speak to why everyone did or didn't like her, whatever their reason was. Katie and I were, I have no problems with Katie. The day that everyone else was on a group date, Katie and I went on a walk together. We were able to just talk about like real life.

Nothing really just the show. Just kind of bond on like a more human, normal level like you would have a friend in real life. So I have no qualms with Katie. I was shocked that she left. I didn't really see that coming. So I know I think that the reason that a lot of people were annoyed with her was because she kept bringing the drama. But I personally didn't have, didn't have anything. Yeah.

You weren't in the drama. You weren't in the drama. Yeah. Which kudos because it seemed like a lot of people got wrapped up in it this season. And I just, who, like, I feel like if I was one of you girls, I've just been like on edge with everyone. Like, who's going to fight this week? Who's going to go out at this time? It was just, it was a lot. And obviously, this week, we saw the end of the Jessenia and MJ two on one. You know, as we know, MJ went home. Whose side in that whole rift were you on? Because it seemed like the most

a random bizarre two-on-one to me. Yeah, I mean, it felt really random. When we got the date card that there was going to be a two-on-one, it was kind of, it was shocking because the conversation where MJ, where Matt brought the varsity versus JV to MJ, and then it was apparently just any of it said that to Matt, that was kind of a conversation that I heard part of it, but didn't really realize, didn't really understand what's happening. And then for it to, you know, actually be a big thing and something that, you know, Matt felt like he needed to address. That was really

shocking. I don't know if I have a side. I definitely don't agree with MJ making a division in the house when we were all, you know, we kind of were like, this is what it is. There's no reason to be mad at the new girls. It's not their fault. And I think that,

you know, just any Matt asked her a question and she told him how she felt or she told them what happened. Like, I don't think it's really a side. is just kind of like, do you want to be the girl that is dividing or do you want to be the one that's bringing people together? I don't, I don't really know. It's not really, it's kind of just duh, kind of. It was like a duh kind of moment. What does she say? Weak bitch energy. What was it something? What week? Weak bitch versus strong bitch energy. No weak bitch energy.

Yeah, I was like, what is that? Stop trying to make this happen. It was like fetch, right? Like, stop trying to make fetch happen. That's how I felt. Okay, real quick, women tell all. We know you just returned from filming it. If you had to describe it in three words, and I'm expecting big things from you, marketing, piper. What would those three words be? No pressure. Okay, I'm going to hyphenate the first one, which is going to be surprisingly cordial.

Two more. Um, apologetic and insightful. Okay. Who are you still close with out of all the girls? Um, I would say I'm probably closest with Chelsea and Bree and Lauren because she was my roommate and Abigail because Oregon girls.

That's right. But I would probably say those are the people. that I am the closest with yeah okay oh and kit yeah I was gonna say kit named you so I was like no I don't know how can I forget kit does yes kit good crew okay Piper before we let you go we ask every guest on our podcast the same question so up until this point of this season what would you say your rose and your thorn was oh um my okay I'll start with my thorn because I I think it's a little more fresh in my head. My thorn was reactive facial expressions about actually thinking all the way through.

I think that that was something that I struggled with. And just kind of like, instead of like taking a thought, I was quick to react, especially in the face. And my rose, I think I tried to listen to everyone's side. I think that was something that was helpful to me in the long run was I was kind of able to understand after I had an initial reaction to things, taking a step back and being like, you know what, let's listen to this. And yeah, I think that was definitely helpful. I love that. That's a good answer. Most people would say only, you know, something physical that we saw go down with Matt.

So I love that answer that it seems like you're so, what's the word? Not perspresent. I don't know what I'm trying to say. but that you made it like a growth, like a learning educational experience for you. Yeah. Which is a beautiful thing. Thank you. Very mature.

How old are you? Yeah. Way to expel like those myths people have about the youngest people in the house. Like, yeah, yeah, very mature. Well, I wish we would have seen more of you, Piper. It's a disappointment. But we're so happy that we were able to talk with you today. And that our bachelor happy hour listeners get to know more of you.

You're very interesting. Thank you. Thank you so much. It was good to finally see you, you know, through the screen. But I think our listeners, each week, they love being able to get to know you for you from you, not from another TV show. So this is wonderful. So thank you for joining. Yeah. Yes. Thank you for having me. This is fun. Absolutely. Take care. Take care. Piper James. Keep that last name, girl. Oh, I will. Two first names. Ah, they say you can't trust us, but yes, you can. Yes, you can. Yes, you can. all right good to see you bye thank you guys oh i liked her i liked her too like this is what makes finally having these women on the podcast because we get this deeper sense of maturity of growth like same thing with kit last week like it was so good to just hear from them about why like who they are as a person you know it's not just the drama and the caddiness. So always good to have them come. And I loved her last answer with her rose. I thought

that was beautiful. It was. I think this is going to anger the viewers because you're going to feel like something was taken away from you. And that is these women and their personalities and their stories. And I get that we have to have the drama. And we do want to see that as well. I'm not going live, but there's got to be a better balance of it. And I think that if we can find that balance, then we can kind of go back to the basics of the show and feel like you're getting that love story mixed in with the drama. And right now, it's just, it's too top heavy with the drama. So, you know, thank you, Piper for coming on here and showing us that, like, there's a reason you were on this show. There's a reason you got the one-on-one. There's a reason you're still with us

on this journey and you've made it as far as you did. And then also giving us some insight as to how great some of these women are, too. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you, Piper. And as always, happy our listeners. Thank you guys for hanging out with us again this week. As always, we're excited to see what happens with Heather next week because I have a feeling it's going to be very juicy. And I truly don't know how it's going to go. Will she stay? Will she go? But we will find out. So please, you know, follow along. Let us know what kind of questions you want to have asked next week. I don't know if it'll be Heather herself or somebody else. But keep writing to us, letting us know your thoughts, opinions, comments, all of the good things. And you hopefully by now know where to find us, but if you don't, it's at Bachelor Happy Hour on Instagram and at Badge Happy Hour

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