Bachelor Happy Hour - Piping Hot Tea and Accountability

Episode Date: March 11, 2025

Today on “Happy Hour,” we’re covering everything that went down at the “Women Tell All”! We kick off the episode getting into the explosive drama between Carolina and the women — who really needed to be held accountable? Then, we dive into our hot seats—whose was the most revealing? And, of course, we get into who we’d love to see on “Paradise,” who deserved closure, and what we want to see more of. Tune in now to hear all this and more and be sure to subscribe so you never miss an episode. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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ladies and grant so that episode will be dropping on thursday so stay tuned for that and i was puking in the bathroom because i think i had a bad clam i will say i feel like neurovirus to be honest either that i yeah i don't know i mean it lasted like almost 48 hours i was nauseous for probably three days after but today i feel pretty good well happy you're feeling better so that we can do this recap together because the solo recap just sounds really hard to be honest I've done them. I will say food poisoning really is just the worst because now I'm very worried about anything I eat. Yeah.

You have food anxiety now. It lingers. It lingers for a while. Mentally and physically. Yeah. Yeah. Because I'm like, I love baked clams, but I'm worried about baked clams. Yeah.

I think last time I got food poisoning, it was from clams too. I haven't, and I've been, we haven't had oysters in a long time either. And I don't know if I'll ever eat an oyster again. I think you will. I think you will. But let's get into the woman to all and off of your food poisoning. What were your thoughts on the episode overall? Overall, it really felt like a Carolina show.

Yeah, which I mean, a lot of the season has felt that way. I don't think so. I don't think a lot of the season. I feel like the last few episodes have been very Carolina focused and the drama with Carolina and her kind of rollercoaster of a relationship with Grant. Yeah, it's funny too because like she. She came to the reunion or the woman to all with like a quote of something that she said, I forget what it was. Like I'm evil. Yeah, she had like a quote on the front of her jacket and on the back of her jacket that she had said in the episodes.

Which to me, like after watching the show for so many years, like I wouldn't even really pin her like the villain. Like I guess she is kind of the main focus of the drama. during this season, but, like, there's been so many more people in the past that have really stood out as like, oh, like, like, when I, when I, I think of, like, um, what was Cheney, remember Cheney from like Clayton season? Yeah, people that are actively doing things, knowing they're going to be controversial, but, and that's kind of like why they're doing them. Like, Cheney was like pulling Clayton and doing things.

and she was kind of like leaning into this controversial character. But I don't think that's what Carolina's doing. I don't know if I would consider her. I mean, I guess she, like, if there was a villain this season, I guess it would be Carolina. But I feel like the girls wouldn't describe her as a villain and more just as someone that was creating a lot of problems and controversy in the house. I mean, she's definitely a villain to Rose.

If I'm Rose, I'm like, yeah, she is my villain. I just feel like there just, there wasn't. I I I just wasn't as much this season like and what I mean like there wasn't as much there just wasn't a lot of anything really really I'm so surprised to hear you say that yeah I feel like it was very much like the Zoe drama with Ali Joe um with the basketball date and all of that for like the first two three weeks and then week three four on it was very much the girls again. I just I just here on a scale of like one through 10 I would like if I put like drama from like past seasons you know at like eight nine like I would compare the Zoe Carolina of this season to be like a six it was all very mild to me it just seemed like it seemed like there wasn't much going on so it was like okay well carolina's upset let's let's do that i don't know if i agree with that okay i feel like if you asked the women in the house they would feel like the carolina drama was

incredibly consuming of their time and their experience okay okay i guess because like i maybe maybe it was the way grant handled it really made it feel a little more like meaningless to me or just a little more tame yeah it could be that like i maybe if maybe if maybe if the carolina drama of it all really affected grant in his like behavior and decisions it would have been a bigger thing i just don't think it really did even with like you know the controversy with her and rose the controversy between her and juliana her and dina's fight i feel like every episode she was like going at it with someone i'll say if carolina and dina's fight happen three episodes prior and then continued, it would be similar to like Maria

and Sydney. I would have loved to see a two-on-one this season. I feel like there just wasn't enough time because it is a shorter season. I feel like if there was like two more weeks before a hundred, we would have seen that. I guess that's kind of my point too. There just wasn't much going on. Like we don't get a two-on-one. Like there are so many like aspects of the show I feel like that we were missing.

Yeah. Maybe because it was a shorter season. I do feel like we weren't getting, I don't want to say we weren't getting the full picture. But it definitely felt like the drama with Carolina wasn't as in depth maybe because it was a shorter season. And we didn't get to see as much of kind of the dynamic amongst her and the women. And yeah, I would have loved a two on one. I think her and, like, Allie Joe and Zoe or Carolina and Rose, Carolina and Dina. Like, there was a lot of opportunities for some good two-on-ones this season, and I am bummed that we didn't get one.

Yeah, I think missing those two episodes. Because it kind of is this, like, grand finale for the drama, usually. Yeah, yeah. But I think what's going to be the biggest talk of the season's clearly going to be the ending, because it really seems like Grant makes a decision with, like, five seconds on the clock. Yeah, they're like, hey, we have two black SUVs pulling up. which one is going first. That's wild.

That's so, I don't know how he, like I think I would have to just make a, like, I'd be like, I'm not leaving this hotel room until I make a decision. Yeah. Like even if I went to bed the night prior confused or a little unsure, I would tell myself, when you wake up in the morning, you brush your teeth and you make. make a clear-cut decision, and you stick with that. Yeah, but I feel like it also is relatable in a sense. I mean, like, you and I...

Brush your teeth. You brush your teeth. Don't forget the pressure teeth. Then you make a decision. But, I mean, think about you and I, like when we're deciding on, are we going to stay in New York or are we going to leave New York? You and I will talk that decision to death for like weeks. And we will send ourselves into emotional turmoil over the back and forth, the pros and

cons, the what are we going to do? Imagine it was like, okay, who are you going to spend the rest of your life with over these two women that you're madly in love with and you've only known for like a short period of time, met their families once, go. One of them you're going to break their heart and one of them you're going to get engaged to. Like I could see myself being in like a really torn up position. Agree, but I just don't think you wait.

You cannot wait. You can't wait until the last hour. You can't. You have to make a decision even if you're not sure if it's the right one before you get to the podium. Or you make no decision. You send me both home. You say, I'm sorry, I just don't know.

Yeah, I'm just too conflicted. Well, he obviously, you know. Bring Carolina back. I mean, he could do that. Okay, let's get into a little bit more of the breakdown. We have the Zoe drama to start with. It's always kind of hard when the person who's involved isn't there. I actually think they should just start bringing that person.

Like, bring Zoe out, have an extra little chair for her, have her sit, hash out the drama and then leave or Skype her in yeah Skype oh my god we're going pre-COVID days zoom her in yeah zoomer in put her in the hot seat for like five 10 minutes and then like send her home like I think it's worth it when someone like hers and even like with juliana like and her and carolina's beef like bring her out you know bring her out for five minutes have her address it and then send her out like I get it they're still technically on the show they shouldn't be at tell all but like it is missing something when the people that are super involved, especially Zoe, aren't there to address the group

because everyone else then kind of holds back because they're like, well, they're not there to defend themselves. And it just, you know, rightfully so, but it's hard. Yeah, I will say all the Zoe of it all really seemed like it affected more of the women who really went home early opposed to the women that were there later because they were like you just really, at the end of the day like Zoe made some

rougher decisions up front but like kind of like yeah it's sinking after I think she just had a hard time getting her footing because she definitely made some really bold decisions and I think from watching the tell all it seems like the women's issue was like she was making

these bold decisions but then she was upset when we weren't responding well to them and wanted us to comfort her and then we would and then she would go and make those same decisions again and it was kind of this like ugly cycle um but again we really only saw that for the first few weeks that it does feel like she kind of figured out the dynamic of the show yeah that's that's why i guess yeah and that's like my point like like seraphina's like yeah but like you know we're over it like and like so is the audience because it happened it was the first couple episodes and then that was it was like completely shut down it really it didn't go anywhere after

that yeah so it's kind of like all right whatever yeah and then we have carolina and rose i think was kind of the next hot topic yeah i think rose really handled the situation well i don't think she could have done a better job i don't either she was honestly put in a impossible situation with how that all played out um and i think she handled it the best she possibly could like i don't know what else she could have really done in that situation other than own the fact that she thought she heard something she misinterpreted a comment that he said we all have seen the comment now honestly it tracks that you know we see what he meant but we also see how that could have gotten misinterpreted to rose and it does seem like when she shared that comment with carolina she

felt that she was in a safe space she felt that it was you know judging by the temperature the room. It was okay for her to share that. It was on par with what the other comments were that were being shared. And it seemed like everything was fine between them when she left. So it kind of does contribute more context to why she felt so blindsided and like all these comments of her feeling like, oh, you've done me dirty and stuff like that. Like it does provide a little context and make a little more sense why she felt that way. But yeah, I think she she did a really great job at tell all of just being like, yeah, it sucks. I'm sorry. I misinterpreted. I shouldn't have said it, and, like, kind of just moving forward.

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Listen to shock incarceration on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. My name is Ed. Everyone say hello, Ed. From a very rural background myself, my dad is a farmer, and my mom is a cousin, so, like, it's not like... What do you get when a true crime producer walks into a comedy club? I know it sounds like the start of a bad joke,

but that really was my reality nine years ago. I just normally do straight stand-up, but this is a bit different. On stage stood a comedian with a story that no one expected to hear. On 22nd of July 2015, a 23-year-old man had killed his family.

And then he came to my house. So what do you get when a true crime producer walks into a comedy club? A new podcast called Wisecrack, where stand-up comedy and murder take center stage available now listen to wisecrack on the iHeart radio app apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts um yeah i feel like carolina really seems to be over analyzing everything

yeah uh i would say in like it's really hard to just be like all right carolina like get over it like or just kind of like hey you could like maybe you also messed up like let's just let's just squash it but i will say like in her defense with the information that rose shared unless she put that information in her pocket said like we're cool like i'm not saying anything and then purposely went to call grant out with that information then she's pretty much in the wrong but if she's in a conversation with grant and she's becoming and feeling insecure about the way everything's going for her to bring that up i understand her bringing that up so like i think it's kind of like it depends on like really how

everything went down yeah and i think that's where carolina is having a hard time just letting it go because we don't see any of the conversations like we just don't see them yeah i think for her um i kind of sympathized with i know a lot of the girls were like oh you had a rose you should have waited till like next week to bring this up to grant and like look i that i don't agree with i don't know if i agree with that i don't agree with that i think like you are never guaranteed time on this show and also like as much as like i don't believe in the like i'm not here to make friends like i i wanted to make friends on the show. I liked having friends. I liked to get along with the women. There are moments where you kind of have to put your relationship first. And I feel like this

was one of them where she was like, this was weighing on me so heavily. I wanted to talk about it. She obviously can't predict how much that's going to take away from the night and the other girls. Like I don't think she could have foreseen how that would have unfolded as it did. So I kind of don't really blame her for being like, oh, I'm not like, there's literally no way I ever would have turned down time when I was on the show. like there's times you kind of have to be selfish and think about your relationship and I think she did that and I think that's okay um but I do think her tone when talking about this situation and a lot of the drama and the way she's being perceived by the audience she feels like things are unfair um and there's a sense of like it's just it's not fair these are obviously not her words

this is just kind of what it feels like her attitude about her experiences um but But, yeah, it's hard because I don't really see her moving towards squashing anything. It more just feels like she wants people to hear her side of things. Yeah. No, I completely agree. I think even if it, let's say the situation is unfair towards Carolina, which I'm not saying it is or isn't. But even if it is, it's kind of like, you know, okay. Yeah. Like it's, yeah, like the situation is really unfair to most people.

Just like, it's a reality show where one person. gets engaged to one other person you're going to have to move on i think the whole i think that entire situation it was like if it like it would have been best handled if carolina was able to find time to go up to rose beforehand and be like hey that information you shared with me is really eating me alive and i need to call grant out about it 100% that would have just been and like i'm going to not say your name but if he pushes me like we'll see what i might have to like yeah um but that's I mean that that's all you know I think that would have been the best way to handle it would be to give rose a heads up because if rose thought nothing was wrong there was like no reaction when the comment was made and then all of a sudden she's getting pulled by grant thinking they're going to have a cutesy chat and he's like why the hell did you see this to carolina I'd be like whoa we've taken a turn um but yeah I think that a lot of time going into the tell all the hope is like you know we see a little drama we get a little more context a little behind the scenes and then things hopefully come to a close right we see resolution amongst the women even if it's like

you know this we agree to disagree let's put this behind us and i just don't think carolina came in i don't know what her intentions were for the night but i don't think she's ready to put things behind her she seems like the emotions and everything are still fresh she still seems fired up um she still seems to feel like things are unjust and i don't think we were ever going to see resolution with her or any of the other women with like the approach she was taking in this episode and I don't know maybe she didn't want that like maybe she's not looking for resolution yeah I think she just really I think she's somebody that really wants to get her point of view across and like wants to which is fair like everyone coming off the show if they feel like

they were misunderstood I feel like want to use the tell-all to be like hey understand me like understand why I did these things but I think that there's just a miss I don't know I feel like she's also not understanding the other girl so it's hard for them to understand her I think she's a better fit for paradise I think it'll be a I think she's gonna have a hard time there too but I think it'll be easier for her because I think her biggest point of stress was grant dating other women which is like literally the whole premise of the show yeah yeah I think if she can find one dude and like they just lock in on each other in paradise that's best case scenario yeah otherwise i think she's gonna she's gonna struggle um what did you think of the carolina dina drama

with like the online fighting they like pulled up the screenshots and stuff from tic talk yeah um yeah like i think that stuff is like you know it's sometimes it's bound to happen i always i always am someone that says kind of like stay away from doing that because it's just uh you're just now you're involving you're like poking you're and you're involving the internet dina's defense was like i did that to like promote the show what was going to happen on the episode that's bullshit you think oh i feel like she was but i think if she didn't consider the fact that carolina might flip out when she saw it she's being naive yeah she definitely i i really think she like she she she kind of knew she was stirring the pot a little bit

Oh, for sure. You just can't, like, you just can't, like, Dina's very intelligent and very self-aware. Yeah. And she seems very, like, socially intelligent as well. She knows, like, she knows. Like, she knows that's going to. Yeah. She knew she was doing something a little risky, you know?

Yeah. And then, like, you know, like, do I agree with, like, Carolina? Like, well, I. I mean, Carolina, like, kind of brought a gun to a knife fight with her reply being like, I'm going to release text messages. Yeah, yeah. And it's kind of like, like, I. yeah that's that's my whole thing like if you're going to start a fight or you're going to get into a

if you're going to open the door for someone online yeah to say something that might rattle someone else you have to be prepared for a response whether you feel like it's warranted or not yeah and you have to be aware of the information that you shared with that person because you know it's like it's the it's the same thing as a breakup it's like this is not going to go the way both parties expected to go yeah no one is on the same page yeah like we are not like this isn't like a fair fight right now like you're coming at me i'm gonna come at you my way and if you're gonna be like oh that's unfair well that's fucking too bad because there's no rules in this game i know i literally love it i wish more people from the show we're messy online if i'm being honest yeah i think it's so

like i just think it's great i don't know yeah it's so entertaining and i think it's so raw like we don't get a lot of raw drama on this show because like so much happens and obviously they're trying to balance like the love stories and the lead story and the drama and like there's so much right that goes into one short episode so like when we get to see this like raw drama happening online between contestants I feel like A it's just like so telling you like learn so much from it and on top of that it's just like it's just juicy it's just fun that's kind of my that's kind of my reasoning from what I said at the beginning of the episode where you're like this is all kind of nobody really took anything too far i feel like the drama

surrounding all of it is has been like very like squeaky clean like pg like there's just like there's been people on this show where i'm like even if you go to paradise and you get a redemption story you've been wrecked people are going to hate yeah like there's people that come on the show and just get absolutely wrecked where i just like if carolina is the villain of the the season, she 1,000% could go to paradise and have a redemption story and people are going to be like, I love Carolina. Yeah, I agree with you. And I also think that it's like the viewers aren't 100% on one person's side or another

person's side. Like I think the story with Carolina has been a little bit more up and down, a little bit more complex. Like we've seen Dina like vouch for her and now she's against her and we've seen Juliana like pull her aside and then like the girl's talking to Grant about it. And like there's people I'm sure that are watching that are 100% team. carolina whereas i feel like usually when we see a villain on the show everyone's like i can't stand this person and like they're coming across so poorly and you like cannot

see their side of things usually um i'm trying to think what else i think then we moved on to dina like also being an ice queen that was something that was brought up a few times which she didn't really give me that in her hot seat yeah yeah in her hot seat yeah i think she talked about that on the show yeah i guess but like i don't know i get what she's saying though i think it's more so just the way she processes her emotions and like in relationships maybe feeling like she doesn't like show a lot of emotion got it um the next hot seat though we had was Alex's hot seat she was the first one of the night especially looked really really pretty actually she's i loved this look for her yeah she always looks pretty but i feel like Alex is just somebody who went on the

show um like hey maybe i maybe i'll meet my husband if not like i'm here to enjoy myself yeah I'm not going to get caught up in the drama. Like, I'm here to have a good time. And if it doesn't work out for me, so be it. And that's just exactly. Really? I feel like that's what we saw of her. But then this hot seat made me think that it was like maybe more serious for her than we were shown.

Because she did say she was blindsided when she got sent home. She was like, I thought I was for sure going to hometowns, which as a viewer was crazy to hear because like we, it was pretty obvious from just like context clues that like she wasn't going based on the fact. we never saw her relationship after like the first week. But I can imagine in her shoes, maybe it was like the conversations being had and stuff were a lot more serious. Yeah, yeah. That would be a bummer thinking you were in a hometown.

I'm also not saying she didn't take it serious. I just, yeah, I don't know. Like for me, it's just, it was kind of clear that like Grant and Alex were just not meant to me. They're not a fed. They're not a fit. I don't see it.

It like just wasn't going to work out. She's way too suited for paradise. She'll be perfect in paradise. Yeah, I just don't think they were a fit. No, I agree. I'm Jemail Hill, host to the Sports and Politics Podcasts, Politics. And on the latest episode of Politics, House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries joins me for a candid conversation

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These programs aim to provide a shock of prison life, emphasizing strict discipline, physical training, hard labor, and rehabilitation programs. Mark had one chance to complete this program and had no idea of the hell awaiting him. him the next six months. The first night was so overwhelming and you don't know who's next to you. And we didn't know what to expect in the morning. Nobody tells you anything. Listen to shock incarceration on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. My name is Ed. Everyone say hello, Ed. From a very rural background myself, my dad is a farmer and my mom is a cousin. So like, it's not like, what do you get when a true crime producer walks into a comedy club. I know it sounds like the start of a bad joke, but that really was my reality

nine years ago. I just normally do straight stand-up, but this is a bit different. On stage stood a comedian with a story that no one expected to hear. On 22nd of July 2015, a 23-year-old man had killed his family. And then he came to my house. So what do you get when a true crime producer walks into a comedy club. A new podcast called Wisecrack, where stand-up comedy and murder takes center stage. Available now. Listen to Wisecrack on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your

podcasts. They brought at Linda the Lama. Great. So cute. Love her. Then we have Dina's Hot Sats. seat? Yeah. What do we think? I like that she, you know, called Grant out about the whole family issue of like, was that a thing? Well, it should have been a thing. Yeah. I feel like Grant didn't

really backpedal. I feel like he was kind of like, yeah, that really was, it just wasn't really going to be you. Yeah. Yeah, because I feel like he said in his ITMs, oh, I'm just, disappointed. Dina's family's not here, but I think he's disappointed, but it also wasn't the reason she got sent home. You know what I mean? I think if it was like, you know, someone that he was like, this is going to be my girl. The family thing probably wouldn't have stopped him. It's also like really, like I think we don't give the leads enough credit in how hard it is to tell somebody near the end. It's not you because I'm not really into you. Yeah, I just like someone else more. I just don't like I think you're a great person But I don't like you I honestly think that's so hard But also like the best thing you can say to them Yeah but that's that

Trying to tiptoe around and making anything else I'd be like truthfully I just like one or two of the other girls here Way more than I like you And I just don't see you as my wife But it's hard It's human nature Because they've invalidating them all the way up

To the point they send them home right So then it's kind of like How do I go about this Without making it feel like I've been leading them on The crazy thing about this show is when you sign up, you kind of have to accept to an extent

you may get let on a little bit and you have to be okay with that. Yeah. Yeah. And I think more contestants need to be okay with it. Yeah. And Carolina was somebody who was not okay with it.

No. And she did not want to be allowed and she was resisting at every single turn. And she knew she was someone who, I think, unlike the other few girls at the end, I feel like Carolina knew pretty quickly on that she was being let on.

Yeah. And she's like, well, this is fucking, well, that's why she wanted to, like, hear what everyone else was getting told and all these things. It's like, he's going to say a lot of really nice stuff to, like, everyone here. So if you want to hurt your own feelings, go for it. But you will find something that you don't like. There's a hundred percent chance. If you guys are all chatting, you're going to hear something that hurt your feelings. Because that's just kind of how the show works.

Definitely. You know? But, yeah, I thought Dina's hot seat was great. I'm surprised they let her wear glasses. I feel like usually like with the reflection. I feel like we never see glasses on anyone on the show. That was her look. No, it was a vibe.

I loved it. And then Carolina's hot seat, obviously, circling back, circling back to Carolina. You think the hot seat, like, you know, there was closure with any of it? Not really because I think that she was feeling very defensive and, you know, I think it's hard. to feel like there's closure in peace when I just don't think she's gotten there yet either, right? Like she's still struggling with the show and little details and how people are perceiving her. I thought Dina made a bold comment, which I think was kind of valid when she was like, you know, Carolina, you're, Carolina, like, even said when they first addressed her, like, I don't want to talk about this until Grant comes out here.

Like, I think he needs to be held accountable. I think he plays a bigger role in this than like he's taking credit for. and she kind of was on that of like well grant will grant um and dina basically said like you keep calling for grant to take accountability but like we haven't even seen you take accountability today so like that's not really fair in like you're asking him to do something you're not even willing to do yourself yeah um which i thought was bold we rarely see someone like jump into someone else's hot seat like that and she came in like really strong but i also think that it was a fair point from what we were saying.

Yeah, I think it was fair. Yeah, I think it was fair. And I feel like, yeah, Dina. No, yeah. I was kind of gagged. I was like, oh, my God. Yeah, Dina is definitely someone that was not scared to. She was not scared of care of Lina.

Yeah, she's not scared of confrontation or speaking her mind or calling it the way she sees it. Yeah. Which is great. Yeah. It's great TV. Dean actually went from someone who, I don't want to call her boring TV, but she was just like, she's very immature and she really has her shit together. and she's just like, you know, she's not, you're not going to see her necessarily doing like wild petty things.

And then all of a sudden like kind of took a turn. I think just like came more comfortable in the environment and was like, you know what? I have shit to say and I'm going to start saying it. And she's kind of turned into like someone that was making really great TV near the end of the season. Yeah, definitely. And you need that. You just need it. Like, and they also like.

Yeah, she's a strong voice. They also get, you know, you get bored. Yeah, yeah. You start, you just, you get bored. You get caught. up and shit and then you're just like all right now I'm in the ring let's let's let's box that's so true um but I will say like we saw carolina crying and whatnot and like I always no matter what the situation no matter what the person has said or done it's not necessarily the tears that make me feel bad

because I think there's a lot of people up there that are having a hard time that maybe aren't showing it through tears or you know expressing their emotion but like she obviously was in active conflict, the entire taping. And, like, she kind of put herself in that position on one hand, but at the end of the day, she had to be in that position because she was addressing so much that happened that season that involved her. And I'm always like, God, like, that's got to be exhausting. Like, that's got to be tiring.

Like, by the end of that, you have to be very emotionally drained. Well, if Carolina shut it down was like, I'm over it, like, you know, I was wrong. In certain aspects, I feel like I. I was wronged here, but, like, I'm completely over it. Like, let's move on. We have a five-minute woman to-law. Right. She doesn't want to move on.

She doesn't want to show you out. But I'll just say, we would have a five-minute woman-tell-all. Yeah, no, we needed it to go like this to have some television. It had to exist. It does have to exist. So she really, she took one for the team. Okay, what do you think about Grant? I felt like the Grant segment should have been a lot spicier.

And it was just, like, kind of nice. Yeah, it's kind of soft and smooth. It's, it is, it showcases who Grant was the entire season. It's just like the drama or anything that gets brought to him gets shut down pretty quickly. He's, and he is very quick to say like, hey, like, I was, I could have handled that situation better. I'm sorry. And then what are you supposed to do if you're the one calling him out? He just doesn't want to engage in it.

Like, I feel like Charity. was such an exciting bachelorette because she was like I have she was like I have stuff to say and I'm going to address this head on and I don't care if it's like a controversial opinion like this is how I feel and like respectfully screw you like saw you did that saw you said that like respectfully what the hell and I feel like there was opportunity for like a little more active back and forth but he's just like not going to participate he just want he's like yeah I'm sorry you know deflect let's move on which like is is not a bad thing either like I'm not saying I don't like conflict either I would probably be more like a grant than a charity but a charity is a little bit more exciting at these tellalls and I feel like the women often come in a lot hotter than the male leads do yeah I want to I want to think of myself that I would handle it more like no you wouldn't you wouldn't you would be like you'd be like I've been backstage watching all you this whole time and you know what I've and I think you're a fucking liar I think you're a fucking liar I think you're this it would be uh you'd be like it's my show now guys i'm in the hot seat you guys forget who the lead of this fucking show um we also skipped over seraphina's half oh my god we did sorry sorry seraphina um i thought it was nice like i think seraphina i i feel i actually out of everyone i feel the most for her because i feel like she liked him the most yeah and i feel like a lot of people expected her to go to hometowns and then zoe got it instead who hadn't had a one-on-one day

Yeah. Which I feel like if I was her, I'd be floored. Yeah, I'd be like, damn. I mean, I can't believe that just happened. Like, and she actually did say, like, he gave her a lot of validation. And she wishes he hadn't. Yeah. Because it just, like, really hurt.

But there's little shitty chats of maybe her mom being on Golden Bachelor, which I love, I love that. I love the parent-child connection on the show now that's forming. Yeah. Yeah, something to talk about. Okay. I think that kind of sums it up, yeah? Yeah, I think so too. Be sure to tune in on Thursday.

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