Bachelor Happy Hour - Rachel Lindsay Part 2 — Betrayal, Prenups, and Dating Today

Episode Date: March 4, 2026

Today on “Happy Hour,” we’re back for part two with Rachel Lindsay! We’re diving right back in where we left off: the fallout from Rachel’s divorce hitting the press first. Rachel details everything she found out about her own divorce while reading Page Six, enduring the public criticism, and so much more. She then gets into Brian’s interview and all the personal details he opted to reveal. Plus, we hear her take on what it’s been like dating post-divorce and reality TV. Tune in now and be sure to subscribe so you never miss an episode! See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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We are here with Rachel Lindsay, Part 2. Let's get into it. That did you eat? even have time to process or be sad, or did you immediately go into anger? Because I would have been angry having to read that in the tabloids over in a person conversation. I write about it. And finding out about the spousal support. Like, I didn't even, that's insane.

As much as you can tell us. Yeah, I know everyone buy her book. We're going to be reading the book. Truly. And the book isn't like just a, it's like, it takes you through a journey. Like, it's an essay. Yeah. So it takes you through, like, the journey of it.

But I write about trying to design. describe what that moment felt like. So I don't want to give too much about that. But yeah, I mean, it's so much because it all comes crashing, crashing in. Like I woke up that morning thinking, okay, like I probably have to start looking for an attorney and, you know, like, what's our living situation going to be like? And I need to go ahead and tell my family and that kind of thing. but not that.

So it all crashed in on me and then it was just like, go, fight or flight. Like what am I going to do? Now everything is rushed when I thought we were just kind of kind of ease into this. But what I say is

this all could have been very private. We could have handled it like in mediation. We could have done the Jason Mamoa Lisa Bonnet thing where it's like we're working on it. We file and then the next day it's over because we've already worked the whole thing. out. No drama. But I feel like because it was public, I am meant to talk about it to help somebody

who is either struggling to decide where to go in their relationship, whether they're married, whether it's a long-term partnership. It's public for a reason. And so the more I have talked about it, I get a lot of people who say, thank you for talking about it in this way, because I think there's a lot of shame still in 2026 when you talk about divorce, especially when you're younger and there's certain things that you still want like a family i've never dated on apps i it gets like a whole new world now i'm dating post being on tv i've never dated when i dated before i was an attorney i lived a much more private life so there's just so much that i want to talk about that i couldn't find that kind of information out there and then i want to talk about getting through it

and i feel like i could help somebody else this is writing to help somebody else get through it maybe you don't know how to date again or be intimate again or get through the shame or the embarrassment of it or you know like pick up the pieces like where do you start this is my story but maybe it'll help somebody else get through it but it's crazy there's so much i haven't even talked about and i think you know i do i see i see negative things which i mean like of course there's going to be negative there's a positive side there's got to be a negative side i've i learned that early very on once i stepped into bachelor nation You have to be able to accept both.

But there are a lot of people who think, oh, you know, she was, she pretends to be, or she was pretending to be so real about it. And she was presenting this relationship to the world, but behind the scenes, obviously that's not what it is. And to that I would say, it's like, well, what did you expect? Every time I got on the microphone, I was supposed to say, oh, I had a rough day. Brian and I were fighting today. We were arguing today.

It's really tough. And let me tell you exactly what we were. arguing over. We were working on it. So, you know, that it was a work and we were trying, we tried, you know, we were in therapy. We were trying to work on it. I'm not going to talk about the fact that, hey, we're in therapy and we're trying to work on our relationship. I don't think inviting people in in that way would have, you know, because we're trying to save it, would have helped it at that, at that time. So I wasn't being fake. It's just I'm living my life, but I'm not giving you every single detail about it. Right. I wasn't high, I wasn't lying. I

I did the Nick Vile interview that was like a couple of weeks before. At that time, I did not know we were about to get a divorce. I knew we were having issues, but everything I said was true. We did want to have kids. I still wanted to have kids because I wasn't planning on, hey, and I'm about to go file for this divorce. So it was real. It's just, I don't think people knew, or maybe I wasn't being honest with myself about how bad it was in the moment. I was also going through a huge loss.

I just lost my grandmother. It was very, very close with my grandmother. Like a few days was either the funeral was a few days before I had to that interview with Nick or a few days after. So there's just a lot going on. But nothing was fake. Yeah. I mean, maybe if I was like, yeah, we're good. Maybe we weren't good, but we were working on it.

Yeah. Yeah. It feels like almost what he did was like on purpose to humiliate. you. I think so. I think so. Yeah. I just,

when Rachel says I think of, what was, he did like an interview with like a divorce, like I don't even know, coach. That was actually unreal.

That he said he was like his mental health. That's why he filed. He said things in that interview that I had never even personally talked about that were. What did he say?

He talked about fertility. And it wasn't, even the truth of what he was saying. And I've, other than saying I wanted to have kids, I've never talked about that. Like, I've never, nobody knows that, like, the story with that. And I just was like, that's, that's low. That's low, yeah. Yeah.

Like, I was like, wow. And just, even the timing of all of that, it was advertised. It was like, oh, it's going to be this three-part thing. It was a week after he was just awarded temporary support. So it's like you just got you know and all this is public. It's like you just got awarded like $13,000 a month. Why are you now putting out this video? It's just all of it was, I kept thinking I can't be surprised about anything else that comes out.

And then something else would happen. And it was like my gosh. Like everything. It would just shock me for that whole 2024. It's like stuff just kept happening. And I was just kept saying. who is this person? Who is this person?

Like people were like, what did she do to him for him to be acting this way? And I can only fall on. He was harboring all these feelings about me that I had absolutely no idea. Because what else could motivate you to act in such a way? I think it's so crazy too because when everyone found out about the spousal,

like support, I think you immediately got criticism because they were like, you're a lawyer. How did you not see this coming? Didn't he ask you not to have the pre-knap? Yeah, so I... Oh, he did. I don't think I knew that. There's a lot that gets lost in the pre-up conversation.

So at the time that we were going to get married as 2019, we were way more on equal footing. I didn't have the success that I had. I hadn't even started the Bachelor podcast, happy hour at the time. It was like the wedding was right around the time we started that. So I was still freelancing a lot. I was investing in myself, so I would pay for a lot.

If I was doing a TV appearance, I usually had paid for my flight in my hotel. So it was totally different. I had stopped practicing law at that moment that year in 2019. We were on equal footing. He owned a condo in Miami. He was older, so he had built up more of a savings than I had. So when I said, hey, I think we should get a pre-up. and he explained his reason why it's, and I'm, again, I'll write about this.

It's easy to say you would say it would be a deal breaker for you when you don't have that person. When you're at that crossroads, you're planning a wedding. It's, again, some of the things about the societal pressure, some of the, some other things surrounding it that I was like, I don't want this to be the reason that we don't make it. because you never think that the person is capable of doing what happened to me. Never in my wildest dreams did I think that, nor did I have the success that I had. And if I did get that, I thought we would both have it. I could never have projected that our careers would be so different, that the disparity would be so great between us.

I don't think he saw it that way at the time either. We believed in each other. I believed in him. He believed in me. And so, yeah, I said, I think we should get it. He said no, I didn't want that to be the reason. So I just was like, okay, fine, fine. We won't get a pre-nep.

And you talk to people, more people than you think don't get pre-naps. Most lawyers that I know don't have a pre-knaps. I think it's just an easier thing to say. I think it's way more common. Thank goodness. I think everybody should get one. But, yeah, like, I get, I don't even get mad when people say it. I did initially, and I'm just kind of like, you know what, fine.

Yeah, I'm dumb. I didn't even get an attorney. I met a guy on reality TV. Not get an attorney, get a pre-nup. I met a guy on reality TV. Yes, I'm an attorney. It should, that shouldn't even matter. It's on reality TV.

I should have got a pre-nop. I get a pre-nop. I mean, that could be the title of my book. I'm dumb, I didn't get a pre-up. Like, I accept it. I just, I accept it now. People want to say that? Like, that's so old.

Say something else now at this point. Like, it happened that we're divorced. It's settled. I've paid them off. It sucks. In one year, mind you, she paid it. I'm up in one. It sucks so bad. Thank you. But it's like it is what it is. It happened. Learned for me. Please don't be me. That's what I say at the end of the day. But yeah, there's a lot that went around that. And I just think that it's easy. I think if I was reading the headline, I would be like, how did that girl and I get a pre-nup? I would do the same thing. I just don't get mad anymore when people say it. I feel like when you get it or asking for a pre-nup though, you're about to start. your life with someone doesn't getting a pre-up almost feel like you're predicting it to end.

That's what he said. That's the big conversation. No, I think that's what a lot of people like, you know, I've even asked about it. I'm like, oh, should I? Should I? Should I not? And it's like, oh, do you love this person? Do you not?

And it's like, no, I love it. Exactly. And at the time you thought you could. The person you marry is not the person, God forbid, if it gets to that point, it's not the person you divorce. It's just not because there's things that have happened that have led you to this place. And so there's this great company called Hello Prenup, and they make it very easy for you.

And they have a way of destigmatizing preempts that it's a conversation of estate planning. You're planning for, so look at it like that. Like we're building something together. Like it's like an insurance plan. You would get insurance together, right? So you get insurance for your house. You get insurance for your car.

You're not planning on getting in a wreck. You're not, but it could happen. You just don't know. You're not planning on something happening, a flood or something that happened. But you protect yourself. And as you're bringing other people into your marriage, like kids and you just want to protect it. And I think that's the way you look at it. Look at it like as estate planning.

Yeah. You're just protecting this beautiful future that you're building together. And that's the way that Hello Pre-Up talks about it. And so I think if you look at it through that lens, rather than, you know, we're planning on getting, this just means like we're planning. on our end, you're not. You're just protecting each other and all of this. Yeah, yeah.

And if you trust each other, like, flip the word trust, right? Oh, I trust you, so we're not going to get it. Well, don't you also just trust me so we can get it? Yeah. Yeah. I just feel like it kind of goes both ways. Absolutely. And, you know, I wish I was talking like this seven years ago when it came down to it, but

I didn't. Do you feel like into the, like the press? present day, do you have any, I guess, I don't want to say, I mean, I know we thrown the word resentment around a lot, but do you have, like, resentment towards, like, the spousal support and having to, like, go through with all of that? Yeah. I, you know, it's sad because I thought it was going to be amicable, and I would have loved to have, like, be sitting here now with you guys and, like, saying, like, yeah, it didn't work out. We just grew different ways. And, you know, I have a lot of love for him and all like I wish and I wish him the best like I wish that is how it would have

been I feel none of that okay yeah I feel none of that and um I I definitely spousal support was probably the thing I would not have been would do what I have wanted to give half of what I had no no but I would have been down for that and like there were conversed like there was just no negotiating there There's no compromising. I was going to ask about that. I would have been so fine with just saying, fine, take half. But the spousal support is really eats at me. Even still to this day.

It's like, really? How did he get awarded that when he quit his job immediately after your season? Isn't that like his decision? Yes, that was before we were married. So like it does just like like what always gets lost in conversation people will be like well he deserves half because he moved for her. He moved to Dallas. He moved to L.A. Does nobody remember that I quit being a lawyer and moved to Miami for a year and a half?

I do not like Miami. I moved to support him. I moved to support. Nobody talks about that. Like, but a marriage I felt like was give and take. It's compromise. He moved for me. I moved for him.

That's why I was like, fine, I'll give you, I'll give you half of it. But the court, it's, California is really tough. Every, every state is different. We got married to Florida. That was another thing. Reason, I was okay with signing the pre-nep because Florida is not community property. So it was kind of like, well, if it, if, I didn't think we were going to move to L.A. So it's like, oh, for staying in Florida too.

It's, it's not, it's not California. It's not a state like that. So it's just, what happened was why he got awarded so much of temporary. It's, they take your tax returns. What did you make over the marriage versus what this person? And they split it in half. And so because he was building a business and wasn't making anything, which, again, if you think about what I just said, it refutes.

It refutes some of the things that he said because if, you know, everything was so great in Miami, why was this disparity so big? But it just takes, like, what I made, what he made monthly and they split it. And that's how you, it got 13. $13,000. It's temporary. It's temporary. So once we settled on the divorce, that that payment was no longer necessary. So that's another thing. People think I'm still paying $13,000. That ended the moment that we settled. Got it. Like, I settled on the amount of spousal support as well. I-Heart Radio is throwing it back.

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I mean, we've talked about this before. I just cannot understand how this man is not embarrassed. Me too. He took so much from you. It feels like to start a new life without you, without you even knowing that this was going to happen. Yeah. You know, I was really angry about it in the beginning.

And then I realized that I had to let go of that to move on. I let go of it earlier than I thought. So even when I talk now, I'm not angry, you know. Do I hate, like, I don't like the spousal support part of it by any means. I still don't. I don't agree with that. And I'm not angry about it. But yeah, I would think you'd be embarrassed.

But I guess, you know, I, yeah, he took money for me, but I guess I got to look at it, like, it's money that I earned. I can make it back. It sucks that I, you know, felt like I was doing things financially right and I was putting money in certain places and I was building something and he took that yes but I made it before and it may take me longer but I can make it again I'm like you had to take because you never made it and like I so I just kind of just I it's easy kind of when I put it in that context to let it go yeah you had to do that but I made it so it's like I've I can do it again I just have to kind of Yeah, I just, I believe in myself.

That's why I said before, or maybe one of you said it, it's like it took a year. You know, yeah, it's a financial setback for sure. It still is. I'm like crawling out of a hole with it, but I paid it off in a year. I'm still standing. I still have things. I feel better than ever. I'm working and building.

Thank you. So it's like you didn't, you didn't, you didn't take for me, kind of. Like things, things that mean the most you didn't take. In certain ways, I've blossomed so much more post-divorce that almost divorce has been a doorway for me for so much more. Like it's open, excuse me, it's opened up the door. I don't want to say he did me a favor, but it's like, yeah, he took money, but he, like, didn't take. take me for me you know what i mean like it's yeah like so it's the things i have are so much more valuable than that it sucks but yeah yeah absolutely you really are such like i mean i know it's

like probably insane for me to say this but like always have been an inspiration but just like how you carry yourself and just find yourself like able to carve paths that i think for a lot of people like struggle with for a really long time it's it's just for a all of us just an inspiration and I think that's the best way that you know I could I could frame it without making something heavy like divorce like you know but yeah we appreciate you yeah every time you have a barrier you break through it and then transcend like to a level that's like it really is it's insane and I think so many people I for one cannot wait to read this book I got to get on it guys I got to get I want a book club thank you I got it I thank you for saying that that's so sweet and I

I also want, and this is again why I wrote the first one, because going back to how the bachelorette portrays us and it makes it seem like we have all the answers and we figured it out, I wanted to write a book that shows that most of the times I don't, but I work through it and that's hard and messy or whatever and I get to another side of it and I learned something from it. Maybe I'm still learning.

That's how this divorce is. I want you to know that I can talk about it now, I'm two years past that, that dreadful day of the filing. And I get emotional when I think about where I was on that day. I've never felt that. I hope to never feel that again. But when I think about that and then where I sit now, that's what I want to write about, because I did not think I could get through that. I really had, I was unrecognizable to myself. And then I would have to put on a face to podcast or to do an event.

But I was a shell of myself for a while. And I really want to write to that. So thank you. I'm so glad that that's the way you see me now. No, for you always. But it took a lot of work and a community to help me get back to a better place. and I really want to speak about that. Like, yeah, I want to give the tea.

And, like, I want to explain certain things that maybe answer people's questions of why I might have had to put on a face or why there wasn't stuff on social media or why I said this in an interview. I want to explain that. But I also want people to understand the work and the journey and the hard days and that get you to this place, but that you can get there. And that's really, that's really what the book is about. You too can. You can get there. And I know it's going to be so helpful for like, yeah. I mean, women, but like everybody.

Like you said, it's a lot more common than I think people know or just, again, it's not really an open conversation. And this is just going to be helpful for so many people. I hope so. Yeah. I have to tell you, you're the only Bachelor, biography memoir that I've read and I rented, miss me with that at my library. I remember renting it. And I love, especially for this book, because I feel like there's so many things people talk about

you online. And you kind of let people like run with the narrative. And I love that you just get to finally take this book and be like, here's like what happened. And if you want it, read it and buy it and pre-sale. And I'm so excited. Are you done? Are you still in the process of writing? We are working on it. I have written it, written quite a bit, but I'm not done by any means. It's funny, like, I'll have these conversations and then I think of something else. Oh, wait, something you were going to say, not the book, not missed me with, oh, gosh. That people just, like, run with the narrative. Thank you.

And you just kind of, like, I feel like a lot of times I never see you clapping back or talking about what actually happened. I'll give little, like, breadcrumbs. I used to, when I came off the Bachelor, Bachelorette, I used to clap back at people all the time, by the way. I'd be on, I would say stuff. I'm working on it. She's in the rain. And then I was like, I have to stop. I have to.

Like, this is, Rachel, they don't, they don't know you, the people that know you get you. Charity's in the comment section. That's it. I don't have no wrong with her. I used to. I'll get there. I'll get there. I used to.

But I have to give credit to my lawyer. Shout out to Laura Wasser. Because she was kind of, I wanted to fight back in the divorce with the media. Like, I kind of was like, I have a microphone. You know, I've worked. worked in it. I know how to use the media to get the narrative out there that I want. And she was just like, don't do it. Don't do it. And I'm so glad I think the divorce would have gone on longer. I think that I would have become obsessed with that. I think I would have lost

myself in it. It would have just been so much messier. And it was like, let people just talk. Let him talk. That's the game that he's playing. Play the long game. Let it in. and I got myself together. Remember I said I was a shell of myself. I wasn't. So if I would have been doing that, it would have come from such a bad place. Now I've done the work so I can write from a place of healing or,

you know, because I'm still healing. I'll never say that I'm, you know, I'm not fully healed right now. But I can write from such a healthier place. And I'm so glad that she gave me that advice and told me not to do that. And,

yeah. And so it's like, Now I can say it. I can say it all at once. You know, we can be done. I could tell my story, my narrative, and that's it. Like I never leaked anything to the media. I might have said something on my podcast and it got picked up, but I never played that game.

I didn't see anything. No, I didn't do that. It was really good. You held it down. But speaking of letting people talk, before we leave, we obviously are so curious to know. What is your future in this franchise? What does that look like? Can you answer that?

I mean, as Bachelorettes, you can always keep me near and dear. I love the Bacheloretts. You know, it's like there's such a bond there. Sometimes we, you know, we have our group chat. Sometimes we talk all the time. Sometimes we don't talk. We go months. One of these days, Trista's going to be successful in planning that Bachelorette trip.

True. We could do nothing without Trista's better. I'm so great. So great. And when we all get together, there's just so much love. So, you know, by heart is with The Bachelorets, the future of the franchise. Who knows? Did I think five years ago that I would be sitting back on Bachelor Happy Hour

with two Bacheloretts talking about the franchise from something we filmed that I was a part of? No. So who knows? Who knows? Who knows? I mean, I won't be on anything anytime sued. I'm not planning on popping back on anybody's season except for what we already did as Bachelorettes. but you never know.

We'll talk in five more years. You never know. You never know. That's not a no. I can't now. Look, I'm here now. I thought, no, but, you know, so much has changed. Yeah.

Wait, I have to tell a story. One year ago, me and Rachel were at dinner. And this is for Megan's birthday. And this is when I was in my Hinge era. And I was swiping on Hinge and I found Brian on Hinge. Oh. And I reported him for domestic terrorism. And that man is probably still on the app to this day.

And I need people to know that I'm out here doing the work. I love that level of pettiness. Are you kidding me? You have a hinge? And it should right after. As he should. As he should. I mean, listen.

He should not. No, and you were doing the work on yourself. He's on hinge. It had to have been early. When's Megan's birthday? Megan's birthday in June. Yeah, or summer. June, 2024.

I feel like, they say when a woman is done, she's been done for a while. That's so true. And even working on it, like, you know it's over, but you're still just like, I want to say that I tried every single thing I could before it's ending, but like you know, you know it's done. But I feel like I put myself out there, but I've ever been on a dating app, but he was on You're dating. He was on the apps before we got together.

So it's not shocking that, you know, he was on the apps after. Like, that's his form of dating. So it doesn't shock me, as you should. Good for him. But for me, I feel like it didn't take me as long as I thought to just go out there and have fun. Like, situations just kind of presented themselves to me. Well, of course.

I mean, look at you. And I, but I was a shell of myself. Like, it's all right about it. But the way you feel after something like, I know. The way you feel after something like that, it's just. You know, I, yeah, yeah. Like, I have another friend going through a divorce right now, and I feel like I've become her coach.

She's like, well, how do you feel about this? I'm like, gosh, I got to write this because there's so many people who have questions about the little things. But, yeah, no, I, that's so hilarious. I love that so much. But you're dating again, too, right? Yeah, I'm totally dating again. Period. Yes.

You know, for him, again, good luck. I mean, everybody Googles everybody, but I think people are easier on men. So I don't think, I mean, I don't think it'll be hard for him by any means. I think it should be. I don't think it'll be it maybe, but it, you know, I, baby he's better. Who knows? Who knows? I know my experience with him.

Look at me being nice. I know, I'm like, Rachel, if I were in hinge and I'm healing, this is how you know, like, this is new. This is so good. Maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe he needs. I'm just still not over it. I'm so angry. You know, maybe he's different.

Like, that's my experience with him. I just, I would, I would hope that he's not out here raising terror. Like, like, it's not the same with me. Yeah, like, it's he like this. I think it's like, that's why I couldn't have written the book last year. And last year it would have been a burn book. Like, he is the fuddliest person. Fugliest.

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You can now binge all episodes of the Red Weather on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm excited. Are you going to share anything in the book about how your dating life has been? Oh, yeah. You know, it's, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'll probably, I'll talk about, like, some of the dates. Because, like, my big, one of my biggest fears about dating. And, I mean, Charity, you, you're not in this conversation, but this is. Oh, she knows. I am. Do you fear that someone, because, like, I went on this one day, and the guy did not know I was the bachelor. Shorette, which is great.

But it naturally is going to come out because I have to say, I'm divorced, and then it's, then it becomes, oh, how did you meet your ex-husband? And then you have to talk about it. And so immediately when I said it, he was like, oh, that's right. Like, I remember when everybody was talking about it. Then they want to ask questions about your experience. So it's like, are you getting to know me because you like me and you want my, you want to get to know me because that's part of my story?

or are you just so curious about what it's like to be on reality TV and that's the scariest thing about dating post-bachelorette are you in it for me or are you just in it to my story? Are you curious? So you've probably had real life experience. I have the same exact story. I was seeing a guy and I met him through someone

and he somehow didn't have social media and I kept it from him for so long but it got to the point that he'd be like oh, how do you know this friend? And it would be like, my friend Genevieve who was on my season and I was like okay eventually I do have to tell him and right after I told him and then you go back and forth and you're like I don't want to lead with this because this isn't who I am but it's such a big part of me yeah and it's so hard to find

someone and charity knows that I'm going through this that is supportive and can understand me because it feels like sometimes if they have not been through it right they can't understand right right You become now the reality TV star. And they probably have had all these preconceived notions about or assumptions about what a reality TV star is. And so they start to look at you through a different land. It's almost good to just get it out at the beginning. But I, it's, that's the scariest part about it. I know.

But you don't want to lead with it. Because then also what kind of a person are you if you're like, oh, yeah, you want to like be with me because of that. Or you get the, you look familiar. Oh, I hate. That is the worst. Where do I know you from? Yes, I'm like, you tell me. And then you're like, where do you know me from?

You try to say everything but. Yes. You're like, um, I'm like, I just have one of those faces and they're like, no, no, no. He's like, I saw you on ESPN. You're like, oh, yeah, I was there. Like, they keep pressing, right? Like, just give it up. Like, oh, well, I have a podcast.

No, no. And then I was trying to say like, oh, are you from Texas? That's not it. Not Texas. I don't know if I told that. saw you on billboards most likely i get it's like oh and then they're like that's it when you finally have to say it and that's like oh here we go here we go yeah are you with someone now or are you still like dating around no i'm dating someone yeah yeah yeah oh way i love this for you i know

i know you won't share more but we are obviously so happy and so excited for you this is such like a new chapter for you and no one is like more supportive than me and charity we're just Happy happy. No, I'm like, this book club will be, and we will be pre-order. We should do a book club. No, I want, I need that. Should you just hear Rachel wants to do a book club with us? Should we do like a, yes.

Bachelorette reading time where it's just. I'm already saying, I'm putting in the group chat where's my phone. No, actually, no, for sure. I got to finish this. Everyone hit pre-order as soon as this goes on sale. Yeah. I got to finish this. That's, I, yeah, I might, I feel inspired to go.

We'll make it happen. you worry. Thanks guys. Me and Rachel will be leaders of this club. You have no idea what's about to happen. I know. This is all good things. People are like, didn't you sign it, didn't you have an NDA in your settlement? On purpose. No one. I know that's right. That was, that's a smart thing that you did. He can take your money, not your voice. Not my story. Not my story. That's like a thing. It's temporary, right? Money goes, especially in L.A. Good luck. And he's still here in LA. Yeah. That's crazy.

Oh my gosh, Rach. I just can't. I cannot. I cannot. Still wrapping my head around it. We like we could not be more happy that you decided to come back on the podcast you started. You're not. We're literally not going to leave that out.

But it's crazy. It's your podcast here. And like it's so I'm so excited for you guys. I said this at the beginning. But this is how it started. for me seven years ago Bachelor Happy Hour I really feel like I curated

my voice, my opinions everybody who works here is so supportive you know like you learn to say things that because like let's just dispel this myth everyone's like oh it's corporate you're saying what you're supposed to say no you're not you might have to interview somebody you don't want to want to but these are your opinions

and I'm like just so excited to see where this takes you it really does like it I never could have imagined starting here would lead me to do so many other things. But yeah. You guys are going to be great. No, literally me and charity weren't even born into Bachelor Nation yet. And hopefully we can carry your legacy a little bit because you already are. You already are.

You have just done so much for this. And hopefully you can give us, I'm going to call you. We have to start interviewing the men. Because I want to have a Jed, like interview. Yeah. Okay. Okay. I'm going to take something back.

So I am watching this season. And I, you know, I'm on the ringer network and they have a Bachelor podcast. So, well, this is news. You guys, I'll give you this breaking news. I'm totally going to recap with them on the show, which means, this is the best news I've heard all day. Which means I'll be watching and I'll be up to date. So I would come back on your show and talk about the season because I'll be watching.

I was really about to ask, can you come back and do a recap with us? Can you guys hear this? I was on-cule. I would do that. back now. For this season, for this season, because I'm already doing it, it's like why,

how would I not come back and, like, do a show with you guys? Please. Because I'll be watching. Because now I've seen the men. I'm mad I need to be in person. You, yeah, just take a quick, oh yeah, you need to come in person.

Yeah, yeah. I'm coming to L.A. Don't worry. Yes. Or for, like, mental. Yeah. Oh, I'm not going to the recording. Why?

I'm not going to go. She said, I'm not going to go. I'm not going to go. I'm pushing my boundaries. I said, she's coming. Rachel Sib, please hold. I'm not going to go to that. She gives us an inch.

We're like, and then you can go with us. But I will record with you guys. I've already recadded. You've had some iconic interviews with men of The Bachelorette. And I feel like we have so much to look up to in that way. Like your interview with Jed is obviously iconic. I was one of the first. Was it?

Was it? If it wasn't, it was. it was like top, it was like one of the first three. Wow. We were talking about this before you came in, that he came in so happy. So happy. And you ripped him apart. And I was like, so let's begin.

Because I just knew no one else was going to go. Like, I had so many questions. And I think that that was like, if I'm going to, if I would give any advice, it's like, say the things that people are too afraid to say, ask the questions that people are too afraid to ask or they can't ask. And that was me. I was like, I have so many questions, Jed. Like, and I don't know you.

Like, I'm not rooting for you. Like, I'm team bachelorette. So, like, you had to know coming in that, like, I am here to support Hannah in all things. So, yeah, like, I say bring that energy in. I mean, like, you're nice, too, because I was like that with Brendan. Because, like, Natasha's my girl. So I was like, okay. Here we go.

Oh, no, no, no. No, no, no. He had not been on. I was not recording then when he was on. I was so bothered by him. When he was on Paradise, I don't think I was doing. I can't remember. No, because that was Joe, was Joe on.

Yeah, Joe was on Paradise. Yeah, yeah. I can't remember what year was that. I think it was after, I feel like I was on podcasting for Bachelor Happy Hour, but whatever, I couldn't have been because I was so upset. I went on, I went on, um, Bachelor, what is the ringer one called? Bachelor party. I went on Bachelor party to give my opinions.

So I, so, but I did, I wasn't nice to Noah when he came on. I wasn't nice to, for their, I wasn't nice to, Brendan, I feel like when he came on. I wasn't, but, you know. Noah came in. I start off nice. Yeah, he's totally. Yeah. We remember that, but we love Noah now.

So. Right. I was totally nice. And then. So be nice, but like, ask them. the hard question. But stick in a knife. Yeah, don't be afraid.

Okay, good to know. I can't wait to see. We'll be calling you because we've, it's kind of been easy because we've had people on who I feel like we've had a little bit of a relationship with it and we're able to like talk. But when we got to. You got to separate it. The hard questions. I actually think that might be easier.

It's like when you don't like, I mean, it is easier just from like for banter purposes for people you know, but like interviewing. It's like I kind of what Rachel said is like I don't know you. I don't like there's no loyalty here. It's like I don't have to sit here and. tiptoe around what's appropriate to ask. Don't get over it. Like I would say things and like I don't think Pilot Pete likes me but I, you know, like you'd say,

I'd say things and, you know, and then I'd see them. I'd be like, hey, what's up? Did anyone ever say, you said this about me? Yeah. And I'd be like, hey, what's up? What's your problem? Like I'd, you know, I would just be still nice. Like, I have a job to do.

Whatever. It's fine. Like, it's, you know, I'm doing a good job. But I was going to say something about. the the sticking the knife in not sticking the knife in but oh I forgot I was gonna give you advice about about about about about about um not about people not liking you oh I can't remember confronting us in person about what we said not that it was something along the lines I was gonna say oh oh oh yes came to me thank you V V Vance so I I I

I recently, in the book, I've been recently diagnosed with ADHD. Explains a lot. So, and I'm testing out doses. And every time I'm like, it's too low. It's nothing's happening. It's too like, I have to go through it. Like, I have to keep having the appointments with the psychiatrist because he's like, it's supposed to. I'm like, ah, it's not working.

So I, um, Lisa G. Shout out to Lisa G. She's in, was in the telepictures family. She's a trailblazer. She's a legend. She told me when I worked at Extra, and this is what I'll tell you. She said, two things should always come out of your interviews. You either need to make news, right?

Like break some news, which you guys did. I just said that I was going to be on Bachelor Party recapping. And two, she said, make a moment. Like create a moment. Because it's very hard to break news. It's very hard to get somebody to tell you something exclusive. So make a moment. That moment might be in your question.

That moment might be in your reaction to something. That moment might be something you reveal within the interview. But that I will give you what she gave me. She's a legend for a reason. And I took that into every interview. So make a moment or make news. And you do. It may be in reporting somebody for domestic terrorism.

And I will do it again. That is such a best. I literally came to dinner. I was like, Rachel, I have to tell you something. She didn't even know I did it. It was like probably a couple of weeks before. It's so great. I forgot.

I forgot. I was like, I have to tell you something. I forgot. She's like, what? I didn't even know you could do that. Well, I reported him and I wrote it in a little note. You can report anything these days. And Will, with pleasure.

You're already doing it. You're already doing it. You know, every episode will be great if you can do one of those or both. Well, we have so much to learn. But hopefully we can. And we have a whole season and year ahead of it. ahead of us. Yes.

Absolutely. Onward and up for guys. Thank you so much, Rachel. We can't. I'm like, I'm counting down the days for you to come back. Like, truly. And the book.

We gotta make it a good one. I'm staying still for March. So, you know, fingers crossed. You tell us, oh, wait, side note, we want to do an episode in Carrie's apartment because I know you got his very first interview ever. Because Rachel is his favorite. We let it be known.

Would you come? if we did an interview in Carrie's apartment. It's tough to say no. You know, and we just talk about dresses. I have a key to Carrie's apartment. Maybe I just might. Or you can be in the kitchen and we can look at you out. Randomly come through.

Maybe I'll be the true Bachelor happy hour at Carrie. He's like the true Bachelor happy hour. That will be happy hour. A little mix solid time on all in. Have us a little moment. I'd be down for that. Okay. I'd be down.

Okay. I love that. I'm going to hang on to that. legendary to not do. Exactly. And you did the first one. He said he would never be on a podcast and you got him. So we need you there for the same day.

I will be there. I can't say no to my care bear. Yes. Oh my gosh. I don't even want this to end. I feel like we can't thank you enough. You are just such a legend. I think beyond what you know, every bachelor has so much to learn from you.

But even just what you've done after, I think we just can't hype you up enough. You are so incredible. Thank you guys. I know the viewers think this. same. Thank you so much for being here. Thank you. Thank you guys. It's so sweet. I've such a hard time taking a compliment. So I'm just going to say thank you. I'm not going to be self-deprecating because that's like my natural thing today, but thank you. Thank you. Thank you. You truly have done it all. You deserve it all. And you've paved the way for so many of us, just legendary truly. And it will

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