Bachelor Happy Hour - Rick Dishes on Serving His Best Self

Episode Date: November 24, 2021

This week, we’re serving up a hot plate of Rick! The Bachelor Nation fave and man most recently eliminated from “The Bachelorette” stops by “Bachelor Happy Hour” to catch up with Becca and Tayshia and talk about his emotional exit and all the drama from this season.  Rick discusses it all — from his incredible night one entrance to navigating the drama in the house and blowing the whistle on Jamie... nothing is off the table. Then, Rick shares more from his incredible one-on-one date with Michelle and details the life lessons he learned while dealing with unimaginable grief.  Plus, Rick shares his thoughts on some of the other men while playing Bachelorette Superlatives and reveals how many of the men in the house will be groomsmen in his wedding one day!  “Bachelor Happy Hour” has exclusive interviews every week. Watch “The Bachelorette” on ABC and listen to “Bachelor Happy Hour” the next morning.  Don’t forget to rate and subscribe so you never miss an episode.     See omny.fm/listener for privacy information.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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And we have, I mean, a lot went down last night, but it was still pretty much a straightforward episode. Yeah. But I'm so excited for today. And you know why. Well, yeah, because we're going to have one of our favorites since night one on the podcast today. And I think he actually is a huge fan favorite as well.

So I think a lot of people are going to really be happy to hear from. But on, right. Rick! We got Rick the entree himself. We got slick Rick getting served on a hot platter today. On a hot platter. I have been waiting to have Rick on as we, as everyone who has listened to Bachelor

Happy Hour knows, we just love him. which is why I don't even want to get into a full-blown recap today because I want to hear from him. There's so much that I feel like we want to ask him just about himself, not even like only his time on the show, but just more of who Rick is. So I think with that, should we just bring him on. I feel like we should just dive on into it. I really just want to get him on because I want to see if he is sitting on an entree platter right now. That's really what I'm hoping for. Did you imagine?

Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised. I feel like he really gives it as all. So, okay, ladies and gentlemen, let's just bring on Mr. Rick, because I've been dying to talk to this man. We've already raved about you. I mean, you have been a fan favorite. You've been our personal favorite since night one.

Not everyone, I think, could pull off the entree look. And you, 10 out of 10, I would recommend. So we're just so excited to have you on. Welcome to Bachelor Happy Hour. How have you been since all this craziness? Thanks for having me. It's been nuts. It's an adjustment for sure.

it's funny, like, seeing it and that kind of thing. It's good to be here, though, and just trying to, I made, there's a lot of great memories ever made, I would say, on that show. So, like, it's just kind of, it's great to look back at it and just thinking about all the good moments that, and good memories and good friends all have that were created through this whole experience. Well, you know, we'll take it back to the very beginning. But first, I want to say, I mean, we were very sad to see you guys.

So sad. So sad. I mean, I was there in person and I was sad. You don't know this, but Caitlin and I hide behind. And like, because we don't know what's going to happen. Right. Truthfully. And so we were like hiding behind the wall. And the second we didn't hear him like, it's just, it's very emotional being there with you guys. And but your journey was absolutely incredible. And we were so, we were all, the whole world has been so happy to like watch you go through everything. So we're excited to talk to you today. Yeah, it was fun And I appreciate the support, honestly It's great to hear that I wish we saw more of you and Caitlin on the show Just to get to know you all Honestly

Thank you, I appreciate it But there's plenty of things you can search I'm sure there's enough A mess that we've made somewhere else I don't know if you know this But Tasia actually has a whole season If you want to get to know for anymore But I figure you get to know people

better from the source and just looking up information outside. Very true. Very true. Exactly. Exactly. Always holler. We can all be friends. Sounds good. One thing I want to take it back to because, and this is something that we've both said on the podcast, but also Michelle reiterated it. I think it was after your one-on-one day

just when we were able to see more of you on an interrupted time and really getting to know you on a deeper level. But she had mentioned that you were proof that this process actually works and that you were somebody who was definitely there for the right reasons, which it's not always the case. So take it back. How did you actually first get on the show?

Oh, it's just, I get on the show. It was like a kind of a quick process. And like, honestly, it was a little bit last minute in regards to the interview process and just meet with different people and talk about kind of my journey to where I'm at now. And it just kind of felt like it was just kind of meant to be right timing, that kind of thing. And then knowing that Michelle was going to be a bachelor, like, just the type of person Michelle is really drove me to want to be, you know, be there with her. And her personality is just infectious.

And the way she just brings about the best in everyone around her, I think that was just, you don't meet many people like that. And so that was an awesome experience just being able to meet her and get to know her on a deeper level and just speaking with her. I mean, I don't know. It's hard not to have a good feeling around her when you're with her,

no matter if you're saying anything or if you're just staying next to each other or just being silent kind of thing. Oh, I love that. Wait, did you apply to be on the show or were you nominated? Nominated. Oh, wow.

Okay, cool. I believe. In regards to, like, the producers reach out to me. I think family members kind of, I put me out there Steered me in the red direction Wait, like Because you live in California, correct?

Yes, I live in Los Angeles And do you have a dog? I do, do you want to see her? Yes, please. Oh my gosh, yes. Wait, you're from L.A. I had no idea. While you get her ready.

Oh, look at that sweetheart. What's her name? No, no. Oh, she's precious. She's got beautiful. Oh, she's cute. But I'm asking you this because I feel like, Like one of the producers, you know, because I'm, we're still close with a lot of them.

Tation I say in contact with them almost daily. And one of them, I think it was during the casting process, has mentioned that there was somebody from California who had a dog and she's like, he's such a sweetheart. Like, the world's absolutely going to love him. And now it's so funny that it's all clicking together because I 98% guarantee it was you. I love my daughter to death. Like her and I do everything here. I like to go in high school there. I actually got her in Florida.

I lived in Florida for a short period of time but I got her in Florida from a shelter and I've had her for the last five years but yeah I live in Los Angeles grew up in Ohio but I've lived kind of all over the place I've lived in Chicago Memphis I lived in Italy for about six or seven months dang stop

yeah that's a dream I've had a kind of crazy life I do like to make this chicken penny pasta with parmesan cheese and some asparagus you're saying that's a dish my dad you say Do you tell that to Michelle because I'm pretty sure I'm going to buy you a little

bit more time, sir? Yeah, it might have. Needless to say, I think Tasha and I are coming over for dinner this week, so. Yeah, so. Yeah, that sounds good to me. I'm open to guess. This is a great segue to talk about your entrance.

Night one. Because we're talking about food. What? Did you come up with the idea to come in as an entree? So I used to work in restaurants a lot for a decent part of my life. I would say at least seven or eight years, like during college and then kind of a few years after as well. Yeah.

I knew she liked food. I like food too, but I was just trying to find a way to make an impression. I think on that first night, the biggest fear everyone has is going home that first night. And I wanted to make sure I tried to get some one one time. And so I felt like going to all out, even if it didn't hit. that well with her, she knew that I made that effort, at least. But it worked out. I got that one one time. And I felt like if I had that one one time, I'd be able to kind of let her know, you know, I really am here to try to see if I can find a person that's my person and also see

if I'm somebody else's person. And so I did that in that conversation and it worked out well. And I think from day one, she knew that I was willing to make the effort. But also, I was here for the right reasons. And I think that's one of the reasons I made it as far as I, did is because she knew I was there for the right reasons, but we just weren't meant to be together. So at least she knew she had someone that definitely wanted to be there for the right reason and find out if we were meant to be. Well, it was extremely creative and thoughtful. Very entertaining. I was like, I loved it. And when she screened, like the second she over thought, it was hilarious. It was so funny because we couldn't see. The next thing you know, your head was being

I'm like, what else going on here? Right. How long did you have to stay in that table, table four? Um, it was probably around four and a half, almost five hours, probably. Was your body cramping up? I feel like if I was contorted into this, like, little ball under a table, I would have been cramping everywhere. Yeah, I was sore for a very long time after, I would say.

So I was like, were you slightly regretting it? You're like, damn it, I really could have done something a little different to where, like, my body wasn't like. Yeah. I don't think I knew why I signed up for exactly. Exactly. You were in it to win it. Did anyone feed you drinks?

Obviously, your hands are under your head. So, like, I hope some of the guys at least were feeding you cocktails. That was actually the coolest thing. A lot of the guys were, like, offering to, like, feed me food that was on the table, but also, like, give me drinks. But it was, like, cool that the guys were actually, like, nice about it because they could have easily just joked the whole night. But a lot of the guys were, like, bad, which was, I appreciate it. And, you know, it showed some of the character amongst the guys that showed up for Michelle. I loved it.

I have to say, hands down, one of my favorite entrances I have seen yet on any of the seasons. By far. By far. I appreciate it. You started off with the bang. You did. Well, and then you kind of kept it going because I want to get into some other major moments that we saw of you. So you made a big move early on by telling the guys that Jamie,

was the one who told Michelle that some of the men were questioning her and her relationship with Joe and, you know, whatever has happened prior. So what empowered you to be the one to reveal him as the source of all that drama? Yeah. So when she came downstairs to address a group about people questioning her character, I did want to say some then, but I wasn't in every conversation beforehand. So I didn't know necessarily if everyone had had some, or if anybody had had conversations like that that were actually questioning character. The conversations I was around for the most part throughout the house didn't question

her character whatsoever. It was just a curiosity type thing where people were just wondering if Joe and her knew each other beforehand. There was nothing more than that question that popped up. No one asked like follow-up questions to each other or anything like that. And so also when she came down, seeing that pain on her face really bugged me because someone was okay giving her certain information

and then seeing her in that type of pain And in that type of moment where she was really questioning if she wanted to go on or if her person was actually there. And I felt for someone to speak on behalf of the whole group to her and then see her deal with that and just be okay with that. I just didn't feel like that was right. And so I did want to ask her like, you know, did you see everybody's face when you came down and you addressed a group? Because when I looked around, everyone was confused or just didn't see what she was saying, basically. and in a sense that people are questioning her character. And she's like, yeah, that was what was frustrating

that I came downstairs to open up the floor for a discussion and no one responded, basically. And I was like, well, that was probably because the information was just not even close to being true because I told her I was in the house. And I also asked her before, and you know that I would never come from a bad place. I'd always be honest with you, truth.

I think she knew that. I want to establish that first. Just that way she knew I wasn't trying to start power or anything like that. I just wanted her to know, like, the guys are here for you. Like, they're not questioning your character whatsoever. If we were, we wouldn't be here in the first place. And so, uh, that's the major thing was just seeing someone, seeing the pain that was on her face, but also the truth not actually, her not knowing the truth was really was a motivated for me just to ask the question. And then once the question was raised and then

she told me it's Jamie, I was shot to it was Jamie, uh, because Jamie was the type person that owned everything he said beforehand. Again, in conversations that were, on camera and things like that, there was a lot of conversations that ever had that were difficult conversations where we were open up to each other to the guys

and he was always owning even his opinion or his statement was different than what other people's were. He would own it and he'd back up why. And so when he didn't do that that night when the information

was came about, that was really shocking to me. But also made me question, you know, what else did he manipulate or what else did he say? No? And so the group needed

know who had spoken on their behalf because I just don't think it's right to speak on someone else's behalf and not own up to it. And so that's why I kind of raised a question, you know, to the guys about like just what Jamie had said. But I also wanted to make sure with the guys, you know, like, hey, I'm not someone here that's trying to start drama. We're all here for the same reason kind of thing. But this is the person that, you know, said this and it kind of took on a life of its own. I didn't want to be someone that started their drama, but I also wanted to get the real problem. And it was Jamie. And I don't I don't think Jamie's a bad person, but I do think he was trying to get ahead almost.

He had a rose-nice chest tonight that he said, that way said to Michelle. And I just think he did, I do believe Nate was right that he was a little bit threatened by Joe. He saw Joe is his biggest competition. So I think he thought if he had raised questions about Joe, everybody would be focused on Joe, you know, about them knowing each other. So I think actually he was trying to get the pot stirred so that way everyone focused on Joe. and then being that early in the game, I think if everyone was focused on Joe, Michelle might question their relationship that early

because that's all the dramas by Joe kind of thing. So I think that's what he was trying to do. But I just, I think also we saw the conversation that he had with a producer basically saying that, you know, this isn't even close. You know, this is, I got this kind of thing. So I think that just adds to that idea in my mind that he was really trying to get his only competition

out, he thought that was competition to him. Which is so crazy. I had so many questions and you just answered everything, number one. Okay. Good. I feel like Becca and I have so much to say, so I don't, I'm going to let you go. No, I'm going to go. I don't know what to say. Well, it's so interesting that you say that because

obviously you were living in it with all the men. So you could see the conversations and how everything was formed. I think for us as viewers, we mainly saw the confrontation with Jamie and his side of things. But Joe, from our point of view, like, really wasn't brought into it that much, which is so interesting that you say. I think, you know, he, Jamie saw Joe maybe as a threat, his major competition, he wanted to eliminate that.

But then, like, it all backfired on him. Yeah. Yeah. Well, and I think it goes back to, like, being honest and be true to who you are. Like, that's what's going to make it far on this, especially when you're trying to find your person. And when you're not true to yourself and you're not true to other people and you're almost trying to manipulate the. game in a sense, I think it's going to always come back to you, whether it comes back to you right away or if it comes back to you later on. I think that even if I didn't address it, I think it would have been addressed later. But that whole week we were talking about turning on, turning to the next page after that that rose ceremony where that was brought to everyone's

attention. And I told Michelle, I think the only way to kind of turn the next page to make sure that everyone knows the truth. What you just said is so true. And it's something that everyone who has been on the show, I think, can attest to. You can't play the game and expect to get very far and never works in anyone's favor and like for anyone wanting to come on the show in the future like listen to what rick just said and know that like you have to stay true to yourself you can't manipulate things because it works out for no one when that happens stay in your own lane it only bites you in the ass like truth like and also if that's your character then you ain't there like to really find love okay if you're worried about everybody

else you should be confident in what you what you have and like be worried about your relationship and not all the other guys. Was it wild to watch it back? Because obviously, being one of the guys in the group, you guys have your conversations, but it was wild to watch back

and then hear these conversations that Jamie was having, but then also watching the conversation he had with Michelle talking about how he was like, you know, walking into all these conversations throughout the day and hearing that people were chirping about it And does it make more sense now why she was kind of like feeling so questioned and why her character was like, well, she was so hurt, truthfully. Does it make more sense to you now?

It makes plenty of sense that why she thought her character was being questioned. I think with some of the conversations that Jamie had with the other guys and then, and then going to her and same way said, like, yeah. One, I, like, why would you need to know if, if Joe and her needs. knew each other anyways like all the other guys when he had yeah exactly like for him to say like in his interview I saw like he was saying like I need to know this like so I'm going to ask about it but then instead of asking like I think if he went about it and just said like hey I just want to know this like you know a lot of the guys are curious and if you put in a sense that like did you guys you know

have a do you guys know each other in Minneapolis before like yeah exactly like just if he went about it in a curious way with that rose on his chest too like I think nothing would have like progressed from that like he would have gotten an answer Michelle's an upfront person she's going to be honest about it right and I think it would have been squashed right then and there but I think that's where that motive came from from Jamie that you know he wanted to eliminate his competition that's why he phrased in the way he did but the weird thing I thought was too that he had brought in that he had a friend that as a PI that went into a bar with two girls and then you know they saw her with light skin baller.

Like, first of all, PIs from what I know usually work long and they don't go in to places. Who also has a P.I. on hand. Yeah. He's well a network person, so I wouldn't be surprised, like, if he knows actual P.I. But like, for a P.I, randomly to be in Minneapolis with two girls going out or whatever. Like, from what I know, most private invest cares, they don't have too many friends. They like to hang by themselves. So, and then, two, they have such a descriptive story.

to come up with to like talk with uh michelle about to try to get that to come up i almost feel like he created that whole story just to make it sound more detailed because liars usually like people in my experience liars usually have more detailed stories because they think it it authenticates the story that much more and so i just thought that was so weird that that whole story he created just to figure out if joe and her knew each other but just very bizarre. Also, it's such a descriptive description of the guy. Like, how does the guy know he's a baller?

I was just going to say. Or like, okay, like, okay, okay, but like, also we have a whole conversation with that shit. You know what I mean? Exactly. The whole baller asked, like, what was he having a basketball on his hand and basketball? She was in a freaking jersey. Like, how did you know he was a baller?

Yeah, like, are you kidding? Looking at Nate, you would think he's a baller because he's 6-1-8, but he couldn't make a way up. I love Rick so much. Spilling the tea in the most classy way. It's so true. There's a good guy, but it was funny, but you're right. You're right. Maybe if it was like all like seven foot men,

okay, you would kind of assume they're probably like, I mean, not saying that Joe doesn't look like a baller, but you know what I'm saying? It's just such a weird description. And you're totally right. Why didn't he just say, like, hey, by the way, like, did you know Joe at all? Because I was talking to Joe last week on the episode, and he said some of the guys just straight up asked me because we were both in Minneapolis.

Like, hey, do you and Michelle know each other? And he was like, no, like we've never met before. And he said the guys were just like, oh, okay. And it's kind of like dropped it and left it. So that's why he was like, I'm just confused because nobody really seemed to make an issue out of it after they asked me. And people were perfectly fine asking me. So I think you're totally spot on with the whole Jamie was threatened and kind of wanted to start a fire somewhere.

But honey, he accidentally puts them gasoline on his own shoes and let himself up. Which honestly, like, was beneficial to the rest of guys because he had a good connection with Michelle. You can tell there's like definitely like, you know, an attraction there, like both I think mentally and physically. And so like especially he got the first one, one. Obviously he went well. I was sad for Michelle because I felt like she had a good connection with him and he kind of limited the opportunity between them to like have that forish. And like at the end of the day, like once I went home, all I wanted for Michelle,

like she's a type person that's like such a good hard person and wants the best. Like you just want the best for her. I'm like I wanted the best for her. I want her to find something that works. And I felt like Jamie and her had a connection and it was a shame for like him to blow it up. But obviously it was better for the rest of his case. the rest of us a better opportunity

to get to know her and see where our relationships go. I want to ask you one more question and I want to move away from Jamie because we want to get to know you because we love you. Yeah, we have so much more to talk to you about than Jamie.

The only last question I have in regards to the whole Jamie situation is obviously we saw Michelle just right then and there kind of cut ties, sent him home. But since then, has he... I know that the there's a group chat with all the men. Like, I know that y'all chat all the time. Has he

apologized to anyone for how his actions took away from time spent with Michelle and for kind of ruining a lot of. Rick's already smirking. He's very smirking. Has he at any point expressed any sort of apology or emotion in regards to that situation? Let me ask you this. Do you think he did? I'm going to say, no, hell no. But I want to be laughing. What I do see happening is, now very shortly, Mentala will come up and he will do this whole big public apology for everybody to see on display.

I don't think he has said anything to anyone directly apologizing for that. Well, I don't think he's going to apologize. At all. I think he thinks he did no wrong and I think he knows that people know that we film so much

content and obviously it has been to us. So he knows he's, I think, going to allude to that. and having certain parts be cut out. I think he thinks that he can convince people that, you know, that he did no wrong. He thinks he can talk his way out of anything. He showed that when he got called out because he went answer anybody's question. And that was my biggest issue with him.

I was like, up to this point, you would answer anybody's question no matter if you thought your answer was going to be appealing or not, you know, to who you're speaking to. But then he went answer any question. So it's like, all right, so you know you're in trouble then, you know? I just think he's a very smart guy, but I think he needs, I think he needs to be honest at some point in time with himself, you know, I think he needs to take responsibility like, hey, like, I did this. And yes, I might manipulate some information of how I portrayed it to her. But I also think, like, you got to be honest by your reasoning, because like, I don't think you were just trying to figure out if they had a relationship. I think you were trying to plan to you. I think you were trying to, you know, eliminate your competition. I think it got started when he didn't get the group day, Rose.

He was like, okay, maybe I don't have a sin bag in his mind. Right. So I think, like, you know, I think he wanted, I mean, he runs his own company. So he wants to be in control things, I think. He wants to, you know, know everything that's going on, that kind of thing. And once you're playing a complete different dynamic, you start to freak out inside your head, I think. And I think that's what happened with him.

I don't think he's a bad guy I don't because like a bad guy I don't think we'd have opened up about some of his family stuff but I think I think he made a bad decision and I don't think he's going to apologize is basically the final answer to what you asked

originally but I don't think he's going to apologize and I don't think he feels like he owes anybody an apology he just owns what he did and he thinks he did no wrong and I think I think he thinks he's a victim Yeah, narcissists.

Okay, moving on. It's just sad because to hurt people, you know what I mean? I mean, I guess it's kind of cliche about hurt people, hurt people, but like he's just gone through things in life and I feel like maybe he's trying to protect himself and really trying to give himself like that upper hand, but you don't do that by bringing other people down. You know what I mean? So that's kind of you to say like he's not a bad person because essentially I don't think he's a bad person.

I just think. Yeah. He's a bad decision in a bad moment for him. Yeah. you know, sometimes this stuff brings up the worst in you, honestly. Yeah. Well, we saw it with other people too.

Yeah. Well, yeah, the environment. It's tough to live in to begin with. It's not normal by any means. And it really brings out a lot of different emotions. And it's just, yeah, I think it'll be interesting to see him at mental to see how he handles everything

because it's like you can only talk in circles for so long. We all saw how it played out on the screen. I would just hope that, like, as a viewer, he did take away from a lot of all of your time with Michelle and just Michelle's overall state of emotion, like the level that she was at. And that was the unfortunate thing where I would hope that he could step outside to be like, maybe he didn't think he did anything wrong, but it's right. An apology is not going to hurt. No. By any means. Well, fingers crossed for mental all. Yeah. Right. Right. It'll be interesting. Let's go

do you, Rick. Yeah, let's talk about you because, yes, some people don't have, didn't have like the best run on the show, but honey, you had a one-on-one with Michelle and I think it was just so beautiful to watch and I would love to know, let's just talk all about it. What was your favorite part about the day portion of your guys' date, which I feel was like so fun and lighthearted and you both hated it. Yeah, I think just being outside with her and just, I think, what I loved about the day was how simple it was.

We didn't need anything extra. We didn't need anything crazy during the day portion, like, you know, to have a good time with each other. I think it was as close as we could get to, like, real life outside of that bubble or whatever we won't call it and giving us an idea of what day did, you know, with each other would be like. And I think we got to know each other for who we are, not just like who we look like we are, you know, just the top level,

the surface level kind of of what makes us us and I loved it like we can enjoy the small moments with each other and that's why I want in my person is like I want to enjoy those small moments the small ones are more important than the fancy moments or the big moments you know and I think like it's just the small talk to be able to choke around with each other the ability just to enjoy hiking together and I want those kind of things I want to just enjoy the simple things in life with my person and I love that about it just being with each other outside nature it was a

yeah it's a memory I'll have for the rest of my life for sure I personally I love like simple dates like that as opposed to like the big grand ones because like again you really get to know the person for the person as opposed to the activity and I think that that's one thing that I took what even for like my season like it was just so you had real conversations then so I agree

you see like a simple laid back date you actually can see if it works in a day day life as opposed to, let's go skydive. Well, I kind of blacked out 35 minutes of that thing. You know, like the adrenaline of that. But I don't know. I really love the simple days. Well, and I've said this before,

it was such a good combination of fun, lightheartedness, mixed with those. You did get into some heavy conversations. And one of the, I think what maybe was the catalyst for really getting into everything that night between the two of you was you guys made a wish that you would find love through having hard conversations. How hard was it for you to open up with Michelle and, you know,

the rest of the world now, as you found out, you know, because millions of people are watching, to have those hard conversations with each other and also, you know, like, while it's all being filmed? Yeah. It's, I'll be honest. I've never opened up that much to some, one, I think so quickly, obviously it's a different experience, that kind of thing, but I've never

open up about some of those things I spoke about ever with a significant other. I think we all talked about is, I think we all talked about is, no matter how nervous you are before you sit down with her, you just, you're, you feel completely at ease once you sit down. and she just makes it easy to talk with her because she listens so well. She doesn't listen just to respond. She listens to understand. And that's a big thing.

And it's not a skill that everyone knows, I think, or has learned. And talk more than about my family and stuff like that. Like, the goal for me is I wanted to be completely transparent with her and open up completely to give us the best opportunity to see if it is meant to be between us. And I wonder to know, like, that I come back, I come from. from a different background, different family background than she does. Her parents are still together, which is amazing. I think it's been 33 years or something like that, she said.

And my parents were together for 23 years before they split up. But I just want, I'm a person that tries to learn both from my good experiences and my bad experiences. I think that's another thing I was trying to express to her. It's like even though my parents didn't work out, I wanted to make every snack fries possible for the person I'm going to be with. and to make it work, you know, to the good times and the bad. And I also wanted her to know that I can be completely transparent with her. Like, that was not something easy for me to talk about. As you can tell by my sudden whispering all of a sudden,

I was trying to get the words out, you know, and just I had a hard time finding the breath to, like, get some of that stuff out. But at least it was still audio loud enough for people to hear. But, yeah, like, I think you can tell I'm having a hard time expressing those things. But again, I need to be completely honest because if we're going to have a chance at making it, she needs to know everything. And that's how I thought about it. And I'm glad I said it out loud because I don't think I've said some of those things even out loud before. And it helps me to hear it and be like, that's what I actually think.

That's what I actually believe in. But yeah, I think the best thing about it is having had as many people will reach out to me after they saw that and just share a similar. experiences and things like that. I've tried to reach out or respond to most of them as much as I can and just be like, you know, I'm just happy that I show that talking with about it about that kind of stuff, I think really helps. I think you're like for me, it helps me get through it and just I think move on to the next steps in my life getting out there, but also for other people too. Like having other people that you can communicate that with, like you just get to get out there. And even if that person doesn't receive it well, at least you got it off your chest

and you said it out loud because it helps you even deal with it just yourself just by saying out loud that thing. I think it's so important to say too. Just because I feel like watching it back, I was going to ask you like, how did that feel actually relieving that from yourself? Because you said you have said things that you haven't even like shared with other people before. It's that's one thing about this entire journey and experience that really impacts you personally. like how freeing it could actually be and how much you actually grow as a person by feeling all those things

and when you're able to be vulnerable like that, not only does it help you inside, but it helps that relationship and you want to be able to feel like you gave it your all and like you actually gave it a shot. And I thought that was just, it was really hard to watch, but that's so beautiful at the same time.

And I'm so sorry for everything, you know, but that was amazing. And you're a great guy. Thank you. I appreciate it. Yeah. I think, like, what you said, the thing I feel most is, like, it's freeing. One, it frees yourself from kind of those thoughts and those things that have been stuck in your head for so long.

But also, I think it's freeing in regards to the relationship. Once you get that out there, it gives you a step or the opportunity to make that next step or take that next step forward with each other, I think, and just allowing each other to know each other on a deeper level. And so it's freeing in a lot of ways. I'm going to kind of go off topic a bit and get a little bit heavy, but I feel like this can be very beneficial to a lot of listeners. So you got into your history with your family and the death of your father and kind of that guilt that you felt. And I know just from experience as well, from losing a parent, sometimes grief and death and really hard, difficult situations in life

help bond people. And I've experienced that firsthand since my time on The Bachelor and sharing about the death with my father. But I think our listeners would like to hear from you, like, what is some advice that you could give listeners who have gone through a death of a parent or something similar or people who are struggling with the guilt over losing a parent? You know, because I can relate much to that too. What is some advice that you would be able to give to them? Because I know, I'm sure you've witnessed it firsthand and DMs and people are reaching out to you. But I think it can just spread so much farther than that. So what is anything that you would be able to offer to our listeners? Yeah. When my dad passed a few years ago, I had a hard time going out, doing anything

besides work and being in my room, I think, and just hang with my dog. But I would say that's probably not the right approach. I would say making sure that you have your support group, your people around you, and that you're having conversations. It doesn't have to be about the person that you lost for that kind of thing, but I think just continue that communication with people because that's going to help you kind of take those next steps to moving on and you shouldn't feel guilty about moving on. You can always keep that person in your mind, I think, and stuff like that. I think at first, anytime I try to move on and things like that, I felt some type of guilt because I always want to remember the people that help me become who I am.

And so I think your support group and the people that you care about, have those people around you, have conversations with them. It's not going to be easy to have conversations, but you got to go out your way to have those conversations. I also think, like, I'm someone that likes to type out my thoughts. So, like, I have a word docked out right about what I'm thinking, that kind of stuff. But it's good to get that off your head instead of just leaving in your head. It allows you to reflect on your thoughts and reflect if they're positive, negative, or where you're going. If it keeps going in a negative direction, that's when you need to, like, talk to other people too. But I think reflection is a very powerful tool. You reflect on the person's life that you lost, but also I think just on your thoughts

of that person and how you can move on, what you need to do and things like that. But support group and just find ways to get those thoughts out your head and express them in some way or form, I think, is a really powerful tool. I just thank you so much for sharing this. I know it's going to mean a lot to a lot of our listeners and people, like I said, people going through similar things. And playing off of what Tasha just said a few seconds ago, like, it has to be so hard for you to have opened up in the way that you did. But it was also such a beautiful thing and had to have been such a difficult thing. And so thank you for that because I know it's going to help so many people feel like they're not alone. You know, Bachelor Nation, we have some really strong fans out there who all go through different things.

And to have them, you know, maybe be able to relate in some way or to see. different hardships and feel like, you know, oh, I felt this way at some point in time and I felt alone or I felt like my grief would, you know, would consume me, whatever might be. So thank you so much. And that's why when we raved about you a couple weeks ago, you know, we wanted to get you on, but I'm so glad that that's why we have you on right now because it's just, it's special. And of course, you know, the show is supposed to be fun and lighthearted half the time. But it's moments like this where we see like the real human and that we're all, you know, we can all relate in some way. so thank you thank you so much more relatable than people think you all can learn and benefit

people and takes just an act of courage just to speak out that really can bind this all together what were you going to say I was just going to say the the most powerful or the most rewarding thing in my life that I've ever experienced is like when I've been able to help other people and I think like that this was I didn't think of it like that when I was just expressing myself but fact that it has helped people or if it is going to help people, like, I'm just thankful that is going to do that. And it helps me feel better about that whole thing because, you know, I think in my life, like, I think that's the main goal. It's like help as make people as possible or just like help them be happier, you know, help people achieve success. I think that should

be a goal that people should try to achieve once in their life because I think they'll realize how much, how reward it is and that feeling that you get. So if people can find that, I think it makes your life that much more worthwhile. I'm such a Rick fan. You're making me tear up right now. What are you doing? We can talk for hours. Again, I was just going to say,

also the fact that you're a man talking about this stuff, too, like being vulnerable about it. That's like huge, you know? Thank you. Rick, I don't cry and you're making me tear up for the second time on this podcast. Oh, my gosh. No, I just, listen,

I, Rick for Bachelor at some point in time or come on Bachelor live on stage with me so we can find you a nice, woman because you deserve it like you're there's just you're so mature you obviously have this fun quirky lighthearted side to you that we saw night one but

it's just like you're just like you and I don't know how how old are you actually oh my god I was just going to say the same old. 32 32 okay okay you have such a good head on your shoulders so I mean hey Rick if you're single in a little bit we're going to set you up with

some nice woman I have a lot of single friends, wonderful women back in Minnesota. If you ever want to meet them, I'm sure you're probably not at a loss for media women these days. Should we just get into the game? Because I feel like we got really just heavy there for a second. We got me. We want to know you. But let's pick it back up to end with the bang because this has been so wonderful to have you on.

But we love to play our games with all of our guests. But before that, we have one question that we ask. everyone who joins the podcast and that is overall your entire time on the season what was your rose and what was your thorn so like as an experience you think for yeah like a highlight and a low light your favorite moment and then you know

a moment that you could have maybe lived without uh I think when Michelle and I were dancing in front of Andy Grahamer um to one of songs like that was where like time just stopped you know and you don't get me those moments in life and that was definitely my roads for sure uh and i'll remember that moment yeah that whole day honestly

uh probably the best day ever been on my life so definitely can't remember that for the rest of my life but uh thorn i would say um um i think so the one thing that i think viewers don't see enough is is how close some of the guys get. And I think, like, losing some of the guys. So Spencer was my roommate when we're in California. And then so Spencer, like, even Spencer, like, Spencer, Daniel, like, Leroy and Casey and a handful of other guys. Like, seeing some of these guys leave, like, you don't see them for however long afterwards. And I think that's my thorn is, like, as much as we're there for Michelle, you still build

friendships and like those kind of things so I think like seeing those people like I think my the biggest hurt that you can have in life it like for me has been seeing people you care about goes through like pain and suffering that you can't help them with you know and that was like someone with my dad but like that's how I felt when the guys left because they were sad they're leaving and you can't do anything like you're powerless so I think the thorn is like just seeing people like that care about Michelle going home and you can't do anything to help them I think like losing some of your friends at the same time that you know your ultimate goal is like being with Michelle and that kind of thing, but like losing some of the guys, that's the thorn.

I think like losing guys as you go because you're happy you're moving on, but you also see your friends go. Like that, it's like a, it's a bittersweet almost in some ways. Leave it to Rick to have his thorn be something so beautiful and positive for somebody else. I love that. I love that so much. Oh my gosh, Rick, this has been such a blast. Before we let you go, we're going to get into this game. So Tasha, you want to explain it? Yes. Okay. So we, are going to play a little game where we're going to give you a most likely two and you'll finish a sentence with the name of

someone in your guys's group of guys Michelle's group of guys. So it's going to be rapid fire. Can't think too much. It's got to go with it. It's fun. It's fun. Don't worry. Y'all have thrown each other under the bus. So don't try to act like, you know. I know, right? Let's just do it. Okay. You ready?

Yes. Okay. So most likely to get the party started. Nate. Okay. Okay. Most likely to start drama Jamie Most likely to get the guys laughing Rodney

He's been most guys say Rodney for that one Roddy is like probably the best human on earth honestly just give him the award now We're also huge Rodney fans over here And Happy Hour too I like this next one Who is most likely to leave their wallet at home Spencer

next most likely to start a dance party Leroy He's got that one too a couple times I heard he's a really incredible dancer So I want to see some moves from Leroy He has moves He was doing Rick and Morty a lot

Who is most likely To cheat to win a group date Cheat to win a group date Yeah Oh wow Cheat to run a group date I don't know why I'm thinking this, but Olu, maybe.

Oh. Okay, maybe he's competitive. Maybe. He did take off his shirt during the rest of the day, which gave him an edge. No, it would be Peter for sure. I don't know why I didn't think that. It would be Peter.

It'd be Peter. I mean, we saw what happened with the chairs, you know. Yeah, very true. Yeah. So someone was almost lost hands. playing musical chairs, which is a fruit for me. It's very intense. Okay.

Most likely to steal Michelle first at a cocktail party. Jamie as well, probably. Okay. Most likely to skinny dip in the pool. Martin? Maybe. Question. Oh.

Okay. That's good. Most likely to go to bed first. Me? Oh, it was you. Everyone says Joe usually. Even Joe said him. Oh, yeah.

So Joe takes a lot of naps and stuff like that. But I should have thought about that. But like, I love sleep. Like, I don't mind going to bed earlier. I love to sleep, yeah. Okay. If I haven't heard a more relatable quote, I don't know what would be it. Literally.

Most likely to never milk a cow again. Oh, please me. Please me. I hope not. Like, my grandfather, I grew up with cow farms, but it was more for, like, meat. It wasn't for, like, milk and cows. but yeah after seeing like all of us going through milk on the cows and then seeing the guy I just do like I'm not like he killed all of us in regards to how he did it but I just don't want

milk a cow again because then like you also have to worry about getting shit on yeah and like that's not great you know so I hope to God it's me is it so funny is it weird that I want I have to admit this I have never milked a cow and I oddly really want to why I'm sorry, after watching Rodney do, I couldn't, I could not. I mean, she was hilarious while in the gay account, but I just, I have no desire. I just, I've, it's always something that's been on my bucket list that I've never done. And I feel like it's very easy to make happen and I just have not done it. I mean, okay.

Well, we'll tell Thomas to plan on day and I can know the account. Yeah, right. I'll text them tomorrow. I think I think I just want to try the milk, like the fresh milk. I'm not even, I don't even like milk. I just want to like, you know, the fruits of the labor. No. Okay, last question to you take it away.

Cut me off. Change the subject on the moment. Okay. Most likely to be a groomsman in your wedding. Let's go with Leroy, Spencer, Casey, Daniel. You got a full bridal party right there. I think Jammari probably too and Will maybe and Brandon. We'll put like a large list.

That is a big bridal party. I like it. I like that you're so close with all of them. Yeah, I actually really love the guys. And so, like, when I left the show, like, before I left, obviously, he's telling Michelle, like, that's why I turned on and said, like, one of these guys definitely got to make you happy because, and the guys are good group guys. And I think it shows, it applauds kind of the person that Michelle is because she had a bunch

of great guys there. And so, but, yeah, actually, like, the guys are great. Yeah, so I don't think I could limit to this one. I love that you said that. That's something that to this day, I still, like, I would tell anyone who wants to apply and go on the show, like, do it because you will make some incredible lasting friendships. And, you know, unfortunately, as you said, they're not always shown. And no one will ever be able to understand the gravity of just, like, how close so quickly you get. But it's very special. So I love that you're so close with all of them. You know, I know I mentioned mental all is coming up. So I'm sure we'll see you very soon there. And I just can't wait to see more of you. But a huge thank you for. for being here today because I know, you know, we're taking time out of your day, but just to have been able to share your story a bit more and give advice and, you know, give us some behind the scenes as what we all want as listeners to this podcast. So thank you, Rick. We hope to see you very soon. You too. I appreciate you all. All right. Take care. Oh, my gosh. I am obsessed with Rick

even more now. He is just, he just seems like such a good dude with such a big heart. So I know I said it. Rick for Bachelor one day. If nothing else, we just have to find him a great partner in life. He just, he's incredible. So huge thank you to Rick and an even bigger thank you to all of our Bachelor Happy Hour. Listeners, thank you for being here with us again today. And please make sure to hit us up on social. If you don't already do that, you can find us at Bachelor Happy Hour on Instagram, at Badge Nation on TikTok and Twitter, and then Boucher Nation on Facebook. And as always, please don't forget to subscribe to our podcast. You can do so on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, the Wonder app, or wherever you were listening to us right now.

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