Bachelor Happy Hour - Riley Admits He’s ‘Shocked’ by Brendan’s ‘Bachelor in Paradise’ Behavior

Episode Date: September 15, 2021

Riley joins Becca and Tia for an honest conversation about all the drama going down on the beaches of “Paradise.” He details why he decided to confront Chris, reveals being “shocked and appalled” at Brendan’s behavior towards Natasha, and shares the state of his friendship with Brendan today. Then, Riley gushes over his “Paradise” flame Maurissa and defends their decision to go to the Boom-Boom Room.  Plus, Becca and Tia dish on all the exciting “Paradise” tea. “Bachelor Happy Hour” has exclusive interviews every week. Watch “Bachelor in Paradise” on ABC and listen to “Bachelor Happy Hour” the next morning. Don’t forget to rate and subscribe so you never miss an episode. See omny.fm/listener for privacy information.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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And so you can always catch Happy Hour on Wednesdays. And I'm extra excited this week because I have Tia back with me. You were out of pocket last week. And we missed you so much. It was not the same without you. So welcome back to you. Thank you. I'm so excited to be back and so happy about our guest today. It's Riley. We know him and love him. And he is just the best. He truly is. He truly is. I mean, listen, I can't wait to ask him all about last night's episode because we got hot and heavy with some treats. And I cannot wait to ask him about that. We'll get into some of the drama from the past couple weeks with him. and we'll also be able to ask him about his incredible connection and relationship that's already established with Marissa because, you know, this is really what Paradise is all about. There's some drama. There's some funny moments. But overall, it's about these love stories. And he and Marissa have one of the strongest connections so far on the beach. So we will get into all of that. But before we do, we just have to give a quick little rundown of what we saw last night. There obviously was a lot. So it started.

with um the brenden and piper situation well it started with cocktail party yeah so obviously we see natasha sit down with joe and some of the women just to talk about you know last night we saw christen alandigo home basically the reasons why they went home are reasons why brendan and piper are still here something's not adding up so that's how it starts we see um joe and some of the women getting a little bit more clarity on what actually transpired between Brendan and Natasha and Piper and this love triangle. And we see Joe and the as we as Brendan calls them, the disgruntled females go at him. Not even go at him. I think just really just want to have conversation to begin with. It got heated. That was a main chunk of the beginning. It was this

conversation between them. What were Brendan's intentions? Like why was he here if he already had an established relationship with Piper. T and I weren't there for that conversation. Lord knows, we were probably at the bar or eating chicken nuggets or something. Oh, I can see from afar and just lots of arm movements and that's all I knew. Yeah, yeah. It was, that night was a long night. It was very, very long. It started, oh, this is what I wanted to say because obviously, you know, at the beginning of every cocktail party and roast ceremony, everyone sits down together. all sit there and we all talk and cheers and reminisce about the week a little bit. I mean, that kicks off every evening, every roast ceremony. What was interesting about this night and

we saw a bit of it, but there was actually a lot more of this conversation in that moment that just didn't make it to TV. But Titus came in and he basically, he was like this week was very enlightening. We've had some relationships that formed outside of Paradise that made it to the beach and if you're here like already in the relationship what are you doing here um and he really drove at home and in that moment i remember looking over at brennan and piper being like you know who he's talking to right now don't you and you know they're thinking like oh shit scrape through yeah got away with it we're good but i think that night when tith started talking about it they it all kind of started to click and they're like oh shit something's coming for us i mean

The tone was just set at the beginning. Oh, even so, after Joe and all the girls talked to Brendan and Piper, when Brennan Piper left the conversation, because I'm sure that's intimidating for a group of people to come up to you. But even after that, I can't remember exactly what they were saying, but my jaw was still on the floor about some of the comments, like kind of alluding to, well, Natasha wasn't going to have anybody else anyway and stuff like this. I'm like, they're still going.

Mm-hmm. Yeah. helmets are still going like just it's it all yeah there's a difference between there's so many issues that I have with this overall situation um but the the main thing that I have a takeaway just as a friend and as woman is just the negativity towards Natasha and it's like Brendan at the end of the day if you didn't have a connection with her or you know if you didn't think it was going to work out that's one thing but then stop dragging her a little bit and stop saying she had no prospects. There was no one else here. That is not true. Natasha is an incredible woman.

She is stunning. She is smart. She is the full package. Like, she is amazing. And so for you to downplay that and I think just respect her in what you're saying, not only with Piper, but in your ITMs, like that's where I have an issue with. And that's what I'm not sure if he's issued an apology. I don't honestly know if they've talked at all. I don't know where it stands. Yeah. And we'll have Riley on to see. directly to Piper, like, how does that make Piper feel? Like, if you're going to talk about another woman like that, but you were interested in her and we're here dating her for that long, like, you can't be dogging her like that.

Right. Well, I don't know where they stand at this point. I don't, I mean, you know, we saw them leave together in a relationship, hands in hand. They obviously left before a rose ceremony, but they left together nonetheless. So I don't know where they stand and watching it all back now. I think maybe I would have more questions if I was Piper. That's just me. But who knows, we will have Riley on, like I said, to get his side of things.

I know him and Brendan did have a friendship prior to Paradise because they were on the same season about Shrette together. So we'll get his side very shortly. That wasn't the only drama that went down. We obviously saw more between Tammy and Thomas. And it's interesting for me in this position because. You know, Tia and I were there. We lived it. I mean, watching it back, like that night, um, at the very top of the night, once Titus left and we were all free to frolic the beach, Thomas and Tammy talked right away. Um, because him and I then had conversations later on. And he's

like, I wanted to have this night between us and to really, you know, connect with you and appreciate this evening. And so their conversation took place early on. I mean, I know it seems more dramatic and heightened and that Tammy was very distraught. I mean, when I was living through it, it didn't seem that extreme, that intense. Again, there's a lot that we've missed. And she was more emotional in interviews than she was outside of interviews. Yeah. Yeah. But I will say that was her birthday. It was her birthday. It was timing sucks. I mean, I felt for her. I mean, I felt very awkward that night because I knew I knew at that point Thomas and I were basically together. Like he had sent me like little. He can't help that. Yeah. Like he had sent me little notes in my food

boxes that day where I was like, okay, we're good. You know, obviously I knew that there was a chapter that fully had to be closed, which should happen. And then, so we go through the rose ceremony, we saw Jesenia, Dandra, Tammy, and Demi leave, which, oh my gosh. We were sad. We were so sad. We had such a blast. I mean, all of those women were incredible, but we had just such a blast with Demi that it was really sad leaving.

She was like, it's a wash. It's a wash. Well, I wish they would have got all of the sound bites of her walking away because then at one point, as she's walking away, she's like, take it in fellas. Demi's still being Demi up until the moment she left and I thank her for it because she is so entertaining. I absolutely. And then she was actually bummed out. I think Joe's comment was very good when he said that one thing about Demi is she kind of puts on her front of being this hard ass.

But deep down, she is a human and has emotions and an ego. And it's, I mean, it's kind of nice to see those moments and see like, okay. Yeah. Yeah. She's also a human too. she does have a big heart. She does. She's very caring. I know we get like the funny, humorous, sarcastic side of her when we're watching TV, but she actually has such a big heart. And I can imagine too. I mean, like the first time she went through paradise, she left engaged.

Like she had the full paradise experience. And this time was very different from that. And I feel like she was kind of robbed because I think she was trying to maybe live up to something that she had experienced before and it wasn't quite there. But I'm glad that we were able to spend the moments with her. I mean, listen, I thought she was going to come back out. Like the next day, I was like, Demi's going to pop up behind the bar. She's going to pop up out of the pool with her goggles on or whatever it might be. We need bloopers. If I can ask for any hidden footage, I just want the bloopers of Demi swimming around in the pool. We called it the ecosystem. She had these old goggles from I swear the Titanic on they were glass they were rusted uh but they're dead crabs in the pool she was saving

them oh so many good times she was still trying to lay it on kinney at that point she walked up to guinea with a crab on her head hey she gave it the old college try and i got to give her props to it um okay so rose ceremony comes and goes the next day we see some new men show up and i think one of the main moments of the last half of the show, I would say, is Dr. Joe arrives. He takes Natasha on the date, which gave everyone hope. We were all wanting our girl to find somebody. I mean, I had never met Dr. Joe. We hadn't had him on the podcast prior to meeting him in paradise. And so I really thought, I was like, they could hit it off. They both live in New York. He's a little bit older. He's so mature. He has an established career.

for the date was so good. Yes. With such a good conversation. I was like, this is like date quality conversation right here. Yeah, I think we all had the hope. And unfortunately, it seemed like everything was smooth sailing up until Brendan. Brendan's name. And I think for Natasha, she's just so over.

She's like, he's not even here anymore. And he's, he was bummed. The mood is still being dampened by him. And, you know, the little leftovers that are remaining of him and Piper. And so. I know. It was tough to watch. I don't remember how much it showed after that,

but even when she got back, I feel like we were still up, maybe. I think so. And she just looked kind of deflated. And it was like, how did it go? That was the one-on-one. That's so great. And she's like, I'll tell you tomorrow.

Yeah. I remember being like, I don't want to get into it right now. We'll talk about it later. But she, yeah, she was just, I think, a little bit defeated. Just, it, it's sort of so high. Yeah. So, I mean, I did say if it doesn't work out, he has all of us girls to answer to. But yeah, you were on your date, Tia, with Blake. And it looked so fun. First of all, the fact that Lil John showed up to kind of kick it off. I think he just set the tone for you. But you had a good date that day with Blake. It was. It was really good. And we had a lot of conversations, too, that were off camera, like on the side by side. And I was like, okay. this is great like because obviously going in all I really knew is that I was physically

attracted to him but I really didn't know a whole lot about what's in his head um so it was a really really good day really fun anything adventurous like that kind of gets your adrenaline going and you kind of instantly bond with someone and he was a freaking nut driving that thing like they had to keep stopping and some of the producers on the date were like dude we got to make sure she like makes it back home to like talk about this what the heck your scream oh my gosh oh it was legit we had mud all over us we pulled up to that after location i'm like you're shitting me with this outdoor shower and it was a trickle of a trickle so the rain got us more wet than the shower did i'm like this is an actual joke did the rain get you more wet or did tatty daddy

daddy i plead the fish for all of you don't know um so we called blake taddy daddy because apparently like when Tia was watching Claire's season back, didn't, you had like, you were attracted to the tats. I think you had put it on your story calling him Taddy Daddy or something. I was doing like commentary during Clarentation's season and I don't even know if he got to speak a word on the season. I don't think he did. I don't think he did. Kitty was on there too, right? Kenny and Blake. Yes. They were both tatted and people were messaging Kenny. Like while Clarentation's season was airing. They were messaging Kenny and they were like, Tia boots into you. I'm like, no, no, What was it kidding?

Wrong. Tattie Gettie. I've been with both tattie ditties. Yeah. I'm interested to see what next week holds because I... Me too. We know a little bit more, but I think people are definitely going to want to tune in for what's about to take place. I'm not going to give any more away than that.

But with that, let us bring our man of the hour on because not only is he... you know, fall in for a special woman on the beach, but he is involved in some of the drama, some of the confrontation, and we just need to get his take on everything because he has been a huge part of the past couple episodes. So, without further ado, let's bring on Riley. This is not your first time on Bachelor Happy Hour.

This is now your second, and we're thrilled to have you back. How have you been? I've been good. I'm thrilled to be back. I appreciate it. I'm excited. Talk about the show, talk about life. whatever else is going down today.

What is it like now? Okay, because obviously you went through Clarentation season. You filmed it, you watched it all back. What is it like watching yourself on Paradise Back versus when you were on Bachelor? Like, is this more exciting? Is it more meaningful?

Like, what is the main difference for you? Oh, I think actually watching myself back this time, I feel like I'm more relaxed this time. Um, when I was on the Bachelorette, I don't know if it was just like the format because that was like more rigid. I don't know if I was just like less comfortable or whatever, but this time when I watched myself, I'm really like, I'm just kind of chilling and like I'm saying like things more like off the cuff and I'm just having a good time. I like watching myself back this time. Um, I think that's the biggest difference for me. I just having, I seem to be having more

fun. And I mean, I did. So it seems like you are. self right i'm just chilling sit and yeah obviously tia and i lived at that resort with you we got to know you for you and you are just so much fun you're so full of life and it's been fun for me not only as a friend but as a viewer to watch you and watch your relationship unfold with marissa

it has been an absolute blast because you guys gave us some really good content last night steamy content which we will get into but first I need to know are you wearing the koalas on your feet right now? You know what? I'm actually not wearing the koalas on my feet.

They got so damaged when we were out there I got to replace them. They were like super like moldy and stuff by the time I'm not sweating our asses off and Riley has not even sweating. I'm like what the hell? Yo, I'm telling you those slippers gave me good luck.

It was the way to go. So I want you to explain it because you obviously told us on the beach why you wore them. Give us the reason behind the slips. Oh, the slippers, like I said, the slippers, they were just something that give me good luck. I'm big on, like, animals and stuff like that. And I wanted to have a good time.

And I wanted to lighten the mood a little bit, too. And I was like, you know, I guarantee you, like, if I put these on my feet, like, I have a feeling good thing and they're going to come my way. And I feel like they did. You know, I was having a good time. Yeah. Didn't you always wear them the beginning of each week after a row ceremony? Oh, yeah. You know, yeah.

So I did. So it would just start off the week. Every week after the road ceremony just to give myself, for one, give myself good luck. But then, two, just to set the mood right, get to get the vibe, you know, and everybody's spirits, I guess, and the right place, I guess. And I had this oil around me that just made me feel good. I was, I was happy. It made everybody else, you know, around me happy. I saw you two smiling when I wore off.

So it was just all good. I like to do it. We loved that. That's a good memory. I forgot about that. Raleigh was my biggest high man. I was like, I'm by my damn self again. And what's going?

And he's like, you look good, girl. The best type man. I was ready. Listen, I'm here for that. Let's go. And Riley, I do have to say, I mean, obviously there has been so much that has taken place already that we've seen week by week. I do have to tell all of our listeners, though, that the night of the VIP party, you were crushing that dance floor. I mean, I wish they would have released more footage of just, I mean, you.

You and Demi were tearing it up almost all night. Like, we could not get you off that dance floor. But you, I mean, at one point you were doing the worm. You did the, what was it, like the trust fall forward where you fell, but you didn't. Hey, you know. Hey, you can't. You lost in your lip. Yo, okay.

So I got the story behind that. The funny thing is, is it looked like a trust fall forward. It really wasn't. That was my first. No one was catching you. You weren't trusting anyone besides the floor. That's what I'm saying. It was literally me trying to do the worm for the.

the first time. And I just completely botched it and just bust my lip in everything. It was all bad. It was, oh, my God. It was horrible. But, you know, I jumped back up. I got some confidence back and then I gave another attempt. And I got it right the next time. So it was good. Hey, you left it all on that damn floor. And I'm damn proud of you. Did you know, bad that Marissa was losing her mind at the beach while you're at the party? It was funny, you know, watching that bag. I was like, I was so shocked. I was like, girl, what do you push this problem with you? Like, everything is all good. It's like, girls worried about what their guys doing at the close.

And it shows Raleigh doing the worm by himself. It's like, I saw that. I saw that. I was dying. I was dying. Yeah. So, I mean, I kind of felt bad. And then at the same time, he just made me a laugh.

I was like, look at her. She's so sweet. You know what I mean, so it was good. Well, that's when I feel like, I mean, she was into you. You were both very much into each other since the moment you hit the beach. But I think that night really solidified how she felt for you. And, like, she had such a strong rush of emotion. where she's like, oh, damn, I'm, like, really falling for this guy.

Listen, you guys travel's crazy sometimes. We lose her minds. I'm sorry. I was just telling the worm. Mining my business, you know? I will say. Back and everyone freaked the hell out. You were on your best behavior that night.

But there was somebody who wasn't, which I want to get into, I want to get into all of this drama between Chris and Atlanta and what went down last week because you were very much so a part of it. So let's start with that because at the end of last week's episode, basically we see you and Joe and just Sanya was there and some other people too. I was almost going to just say some other folks, but I don't want to date myself. And so I'm too Midwestern right now. But you all decided that Chris needed to leave paradise. So what made you want to take the lead on that conversation? How did that start? Well, first things first. premeditated, right? No, so, yeah, right. So first things first, and not dating yourself by saying, folks, I'm from the Midwest, too.

I say folks on the top. I say all this time. This is why I like you, Riley. No, but so in that situation, why I took the lead. Actually, it didn't start off with me originally asking the questions first. So I didn't start off taking the lead, but as we continued to talk in that conversation, I felt like we were beating around the bush. And based off of the things that I had seen from Chris,

based on the conversations that I had actually had with Chris, I was like, okay, I know how I feel, I know what I wanted to say. And instead of us going this roundabout way, I'm going to get straight to the point and be direct. And that's exactly what I did. I feel like we saw, and I loved this, we saw Attorney Riley come out.

Hell yeah. And I remember, because I was gone that night, and I remember because I was on the date, and the next morning I woke up with all, the women and I was talking to Marissa actually and she was like yeah Riley pulled out his attorney self and it was so hot she was so turned on talking about it and like giving me like everything that went down giving me the play by play she was so turned on by you and I was like I was like I was like damn I want to see attorney Riley too I'm mad I miss this but probably what whipped cream came from

Chris was speaking so softly and one of y'all told him to speak up and I was like yeah Tell him to speak up. We can't hear shit over here. That whole situation, again, like I said, I think when we talked, based on what we saw, we only got to see the conversation take place between his actions with Jacinia and everything that had gone on at the party.

But we actually talked about other points and other issues that Chris had been involved. But at the end of the day, it wasn't just about, you know, the Jacenia and Chris thing. it was also other things that he was involved in and then conversations that oh I forgot about that and so when I watch it back I'm like okay I can see why you know viewers can be confused um as to like why Riley seems to be going so hard for one like you said I go when I get into attorney mode it's different it's a different switch this is what I do and that that was the mode that I was in

and I understand like who I am um and that when I get into a situation and I'm thrust into it it can really go from zero to a hundred like quickly you defended becca too in that conversation i remember that now yeah yeah it was yeah so um um it was the back that somebody else was saying like some of the guys were saying yeah yeah so this was that was a situation of involving erin um which people are DMing me about so we can get into it for like two seconds if we want but me listen i don't mind go ahead you know it yeah you can go and this just plays into why i think when people watch it back they thought everyone was so hard on Chris for just one situation again.

Like he had been saying other things. Like for example, the night before, Chris had told me, um, yeah, Aaron was talking about you kind of painting you in a bad light, just being like, oh, he's only like interested because you were the bachelorette and he has the bachelorette in the bag, blah, blah, blah. So this is what transpired into an argument the night of the VIP party between me and Aaron. Also, Chris was brought in.

So Chris was dealing with. issues and things that he said in different scenarios, in different settings, totally different situations, but with a lot of people on the beach. So that actually plays into this week when we see Natasha and some other people

mentioning why people don't necessarily like Chris or enjoy his company. It's because he did say certain things to a lot of people that rubbed everyone the wrong way. And then we're known up to it or acted like he forgot. Yeah. Yeah. That's exactly what was going on during the conference.

session was like what do you mean you just forgot this just happened like yesterday what he's talking about um yeah there was this whole uh think what was the phrase bag the bachelorette or something some phrase like that was something like that was something very strange that was going on and i was like okay you are involved in a lot of conversations that in a lot of arguments that don't have anything to do with you how did you get there this is something between you know Beck and Aaron, how did you get there? And he would just, you know, be in those conversations. Then, you know, I want to get on this soft-spoken thing, okay?

Because I don't know if, I guess, maybe based on what we saw, it seems like, you know, he's a soft-spoken guy. But there were arguments, you know, that he had where he was literally screaming to the top of his lungs. And it was like, oh, well, actually, you know, he's not that soft-spoken. I know he may seem like a trauma, you know, when we're in this argument here. and we kind of got him by the balls a little bit, and he didn't know what to do.

But trust me, he is just as much of a screamer as anybody else out there. Once he has his mindset on something, he'll go for it. And if he can embarrass somebody, he'll try it. It just didn't work. It just in there.

Yeah. Yeah, there was a lot more that transpired. And again, like, I say this week after week, and people don't seem to listen to us, but there is so much that happens in a, hour in a day and a week in the entire time of paradise that people don't see like everyone only sees maybe what like 12% of everything like there's so much more um and unfortunately

were talking about too when alana spoke up and was like does anyone want to hear what i have to say and they were like the guys were just so disrespectful i'm like it wasn't like that at all it wasn't an issue with her it was an issue with chris so it's almost like you all weren't trying to disrespect her it just wasn't anything against her i guess I don't know. It just kind of happened. No, not at all. No, there was no issue against her at all. Well, we can stay on this, but also I want to go back to the topic that nobody likes Chris because that's actually false too. But, you know, it was nothing against Atlanta at all. It was so much going on with Chris.

And again, there were multiple topics that we were talking about. The Chris and Jacenia situation with involving Atlanta, that was just like the final straw. So it was like, okay, well, I mean, if you want to interject, there's no. a point in interjecting and talking about that one particular issue because there's so much else going on here. At this point, you know, it is time for him to go. And if you two are a thing, which you've talked about, you know, and maybe you two weren't in a relationship, but there was definitely conversation about, oh, you know, people coming on Paradise and giving each other roses up to the end. Now, whatever plan, okay, it blew up in your face. So don't try to act like all of a

sudden now that oh it was just based on us having a previous relationship that's not that's not the sole issue here there was obviously some sort of communication prior to and then you watched it play out when she got there and then when we called you out for it you tried to act on innocent so again just but that's a roundabout answer and long-winded answer just to say you know it wasn't just purely you know about alana no one was trying to shut her down chris was just that frustrating in the moment. Yeah. Well, and we had Atlanta on the podcast last week, and, you know, we got her take on everything. I do think, like, you know, obviously, we saw them both leave, not together at that point. But if he even decided to leave and she chose to stay, I think it would have been fine for her.

I know she was worried that she wasn't going to be accepted on the beach and wasn't going to have any friends. And I don't think that would have been the case at all. I think people, you know, everything was very heated. That night, obviously I wasn't there when that argument took place. But I can imagine things were pretty hated but I think she would have been fine but overall after that all transpired that night do you still watching it back now do you still feel like it was the best decision for them to leave that beach um a couple things for one I agree with you I think she would have been just fine had she said I was actually surprised that you know those two you know were a day and I was like there's plenty of men out here that will certainly try to you know

make a connection with her um definitely and then before I answer that question, I do want to go back to me, you know, Chris, nobody likes Chris or something like that. Chris was, I didn't know Chris before I got there. So Chris got the same chance as everybody else, that everybody else got that I didn't know. Chris was fine. It was not like I had some vendetta out against him or like, oh, I just don't like him for whatever reason. But as things unfold, it's like, okay, yeah, I am watching how you're moving and I don't like your action. So based on the things that I saw, I can now make this interpretation and I came to this conclusion and then boom, now I'm going to tell you how to see if

that's what that was. But back to your question. What was the question again? I'm sorry. Do you think overall, you know, the night of the argument they decided to leave, do you think watching it back that was still the best decision for both of them? Well, I think it was the best decision for Chris, for sure. Wasn't necessarily the best decision for Alana. I don't know. that's something that she would have had to have made on her own based on the conversations that I had with Chris I didn't

it didn't seem as though to me that they were there for something serious again it goes back to the you know give each other roses until the end maybe so we can no not even screw that to hell with it maybe so we can get more airtime and we can be here and you know all of that type of stuff so yeah in terms of that

aspect. It didn't seem like they were there for something serious, but maybe Atlanta has, you know, a different side. You said, you talked her in the pockets. I have not spoken to her, you know, since the VIP party. And I was the one and only time that I spoke to her. So,

yeah, I don't I really, actually, I mean, I guess at the end of the day, yeah, it was probably the best decision for, at the very least, for Chris to go for sure. Atlanta, she would have to make that decision on her own. I feel like she came in pretty hot and heavy for Chris. She didn't even talk to the other guys.

She straight up said, Chris, you want to go to the state. So it kind of makes sense for. But I will say this. She did at the VIP party because we were there for so long that night. All four of those women that came in had an opportunity to talk to all of the men. And they all did. Like everyone I'm pretty sure talks to everyone. So that's why I think when she came in that next day, she already knew because she's like,

I already talked to all of you guys the night before. And that's why I think she was. And I know, again, and this is what I told her last week, I think people are trying to compare the you and Chris situation to exactly the same thing as the Brennan and Piper. Piper came in, didn't go to the VIP party. She literally came in and within 30 seconds was like, Brendan, let's do this. Alana had all night to talk to the men. Yeah.

And that's one of the difficult things about Paradise because you have to make these judgment calls in such a short period of time. and based on you know conversations that I had with Chris and when I say conversations that I had with Chris I don't mean like there was a dialogue where I walked up to Chris and was like hey Chris how are you doing man what are your paradise plans

no it was like hey I'm here let me tell you what's going on let me tell you what's on my mind so he would just freely talk for it and I'm like I don't know why you want to talk about this information but he decided to and maybe there was just not enough time to air you know, two diabolical schemes, I guess,

you know, on television and his just didn't show, but he talked about, you know, quite a bit. And so that's why when I saw the stuff between him and Atlanta, although she did, you know, go to the VIP party, she had an opportunity to talk to some

other people, it was very much in line with what he had talked about previously. So it's hard to believe that there were, there wasn't some type of an agreement in place and that's why i say hey you know in my eyes i believe that there was an agreement in place and yes it did based on that it was the right decision for chris and i guess yet aladdin to to leave um it's just you just it's just tough to make a judgment call in that i guess small period of time based on what i saw from chris yeah it was time ago uh okay

so speaking of diabolical plans i want to get into the whole the whole other elephant in the room because before you know I mean I'm assuming you and Brendan were friends before Paradise you obviously spent a lot of time together on both Clarenetious season

obviously it's different when we live through something and we only see one side that's in our face there's so much more that we see behind the scenes of conversations that are being had in ITMs between other people. So watching everything back now between Brendan and Natasha and Piper and this love triangle, did you realize at the time it was to the extent that as what we're seeing? Like did it really truly seem like Brendan was leading Natasha on when you were

living in it or only watching it back now? No. No, not at all. I am just as surprised in shock in the polls is everybody else watching the show right now my job's been on the floor watching yeah seriously i'm texting people i'm like what the hell am i watching right you were all there and there's so much we didn't know yeah and that is the that is the difference i think people i'm getting in a lot of questions all the time what is the difference between you know the christ and alana situation yeah they're going crazy about it and then you know um the sprinting situation Natasha. And the difference is, one, is right in my face, and I got to see it, and I got to have conversations and things unfold. I didn't have any conversations, you know, with Brendan

about Piper and Natasha, like that. I didn't have any conversations, you know, with Natasha like that. It was not like I was someone that was being confided in it, and it just wasn't in my face, as you can see. And like, when you see on the show Brendan having these conversations, You know, they're isolated Kiper's conversations with Piper. I think it finally came out that they were actually in a relationship on their one-on-one.

It's like, not privy to any of that. And yes, I understand the outrage from the fans because looking at it on the outside of looking in, it's like, well, it seems like everybody knows everyone. But no, we don't. Brendan is a friend,

but just like Brendan said, I think on the episode last night, you know, he like got away or something like that. Yeah, he did. He did get away from me. He mentioned he had withheld information. Right.

He said that, right. Which is true. Right. Withheld information. Yeah, which is. I can't deceive anyone. Yeah. All of that is bullshit.

But he's a friend of mine. And Piper's great too. Like we were rooming with Piper. You know, the whole first week we were all together. And we didn't think anything of it too. Like we're just as surprises you. Yeah, me and Piper, we don't. talked like ever. So that was never

like a conversation that we would have had. Yeah, no. So he did get away from me because I do hold my friends accountable. You know, I'm friends with Ivan, Noah, DeMar, and I'm more so friends with them than I am with

Brendan. But whenever I do something with them, they'll call me out. They're like Riley, listen, that ain't it. You know, they'll say it in a much more blunt way than that. And so on the show with Brendan, if I was able to see even a fraction of the stuff that he was saying, of course, I'm all over. Like, what are you doing? That is ridiculous, you know, the way that you are treating Natasha

and the things that you are actually saying about her when she's not around. I think that was one of the more disappointing things. It's like, yeah, it's one thing to say it, you know, to her, which is also bad, but then to, you know, go off in secret and say these things about someone who appeared to be nothing but you know about you and try to make something work um you don't have to say negative things about somebody and it was just it was shocking to me because he is a friend and i like to think that my friend circle i choose my friends pretty wisely um but hey things slip past me too you know some people i mean we were all bamboozled i think we we were all bamboozled by what actually transpired by what was actually said and to add on to what you just said about you know what he

was saying about natasha i mean for me as a friend and just as a woman i i was offended by that i was offended by the comments that he would say you know she had no prospects and i was the only one here basically giving her the time of the day and but then at one moment you know once joe and other women went to confront him in Piper. We saw him kind of... The disgruntled females, if you will. We saw him kind of go through several of the women. You know, he went through Natasha, he went through Demi.

I think, like, basically all of the women that were there that were trying to have this conversation with him, he didn't have the best things to say about them. And, you know, at this point, you are in an established relationship with Marissa. And I'm sure if you would have been there, you... probably would have. You probably would have wanted to be part of this conversation and be able to hear his side of things and to be able to bring to light some things. But watching it back now, how do you feel seeing the way he spoke to Marissa? Oh, wow. The snapback comment that he made.

What did he say? You remember what he said? He was like, it's none of your business if I choose to stay. That's none of your concern or something like that. He snapped back and said, yeah. Okay. I was very shocked to see that, actually. And again, I think it goes back to, for one, we are our friends. And he knew that Marissa and I, you know, we were in a relationship at that time. And he knew the way that at least maybe he didn't know exactly how I felt because we didn't have conversations. But he knew that, you know, we were together. And that's just not something I would expect one of my friends to say about or the reaction that I would expect towards.

someone that I'm in a relationship with from one of my friends. Now, he shouldn't say it or behave that way with any woman, but especially not with someone that you're like, hey, this is my friend, and I want to be even extra cautious as to not offend. And then when he did it, I was like, I was surprised. And it did make me think, like, well, I wonder if that same reaction would have been had if I was around at the moment. I am. curious about that. I would be curious to see if you were there too. I would have loved to see your response. Yeah, you know, I'm going to save it. I'm going to save it. I wasn't there and I Jimmy was there to have her back. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Jimmy, yes, Demi was a soldier on there. I appreciate

that, Demi. Shout out to you. She's got your girls back. So have you talked to Brendan since then? Are you guys cool now? Where is your friendship at these? days. I have not talked to Brendan. I reached out to Brendan multiple times. I believe it's been four times now. I've not gotten a response back at all from Brendan. It's surprising, a bit disappointing. But as of now, even though I saw Brendan's behavior, it's terrible, no excuse for it. I do like, for whatever reason, maybe I'm just foolish. I like to give, you know, you know, my friends an opportunity to explain themselves on situations before I make a decision essentially not to speak to you anymore.

And that's where I am with it with the Brendan situation. I haven't heard from him. I am hoping to hear back from him soon because of the relationship that we have and the respect that I at least thought he had, you know, for me. But don't get it twisted either. I ain't going to wait too long. Okay, I'm not with that shit either. So if I don't have for him soon,

I'll just have to make a decision, just like I had to make in paradise. Now I have much more information than what I had before, and ain't nobody tricking me like that again. That's just the way it is. I wouldn't say that's foolish at all. I think that's the adult thing to do.

I think that's mature of you to try and reach out and give him the benefit of the doubt and be able to be open to still having a conversation like at the end of the day you know being on this show or being on paradise or part of this franchise doesn't make or break like it doesn't define who you are there's so much more to everyone's life behind what you see on TV and so I I think that's wise of you to you know I can imagine it's it's got to be tough to reach out multiple times and to not hear anything back and hopefully he does I mean it sounds like maybe he's learning something through

all of this, watching it all back. I'm hoping that it's not a case if he's just going to make any apologies because he got caught. I would hope it's because he actually feels bad about his actions and what all transpired. But I think that's very mature of you. But again, I would also be the same way where it's like, you know, how many times we're going to do this five times, six times? Like, when's the cutoff? When's the deadline? Yeah. And I mean, I get it also. I do. Well, I'm like you, right? I'm like you in a sense where I'm hoping that he apologizes and he's not just doing it because it's like, oh, man, I got caught, you know, and I'm not really sorry for my actions. I just want to, you know, get people off my back.

I don't think Brendan is that type of guy. I would like to think that he's sincere. And I also know that even though I've called him, I do know still still, like, people are on him. rightfully so but the pressure is intense right now and sometimes you do just need some time to yourself to think and make sure you know you have your head on straight and you're not going to go crazy or something he says life to live you know at the end of the day and I'm not like oh well because it's not like me and Brendan talk on a regular racist you know I'm calling him now because there's a situation but he's not like you know Duhamar Ivan and Noah who I'll talk to on a daily basis

You know, so it's like, okay, I'll give you some time to be able to process your thoughts and then give me, you know, a call back because I get it. You're so human. But I am looking for that phone going on. I am. So. You know, who knows? I love Tia to death. She sucks at responding sometimes. So maybe he's just like her. Yeah, it could be that way. I get it. Everybody's getting the benefit of the doubt. This is some crazy stuff. I pop up once a month and reply to every month. Tia will make her roundshank sense Google alert every like fifth day of the month or something to like respond to all of us Oh my. Come on Tia. Come on Tia. Tia has been better. Tia, you have been great lately.

Maybe just because you have to because we're doing to podcast together. It was weird this time. Okay, Riley, let's move on to more positive, happy things because you and Marissa, I mean, you guys are a couple goals. I hate to say that hashtag couple goals. Let's get into last night's episode because as Tia said at the beginning,

it was steamy. And I was, I had my blow in my mouth as I was watching this half because I was screaming out of like excitement, but then half because I was laughing so hard. Okay, this whipped cream adventure that you two went on. She said that up, right? Marissa said that up.

Yeah, she set that up. It was a complete surprise to me. A nice surprise, but a surprise is all the same. And let me just say, she knew, wait, did the girls have the roses or the guys? The guys. She knew where she was getting her rose and she still set that up for you. Yeah, she did. You know, I was, I was pleasantly surprised.

I was getting hot and bothered watching it. Oh, my gosh. I was, I felt like I was intrading. Oh, I know. Wait, I'm sorry. there was a question in there. What was that? What would have happened if it would have been reversed and like she had to lick something off of your side? Would you have pulled your pants down? I'd let her do it. Listen, I was down. I was with the shits, okay? I was with all of the

shits. All right. I'm not even going to allow to you. Like, that's actually something I've never done before. I'm not even like big on like whipped cream like that. So now you are. Listen, I will have it with every meal that does not matter. I am all about it. Um, so yeah, when, I don't know, I guess when it was all going down, um, I was shocked she was taking me over. First I was like, okay, wait, I hope I didn't do anything wrong. I'm not like, about to get like secretly murdered. And then she's like, oh, no, wait, I have this like fun game for us to play. And I'm just like, oh, like licking off each other's bodies. And I'm just down for that, you know, thighs, chests, wherever, you name it. Uh, toe. How does it say, your feet look really good,

too. They looked so clean. See, how did she not have sand under your toe now? So, that's what I was thinking the entire time. Like, she's getting so much sand in her mouth. You know what? I mean, I did get my first pedicure ever right before the show. So I shout out to whoever did it.

Maybe, yeah, they were just like very durable, I guess. I don't know. I don't even know what to go. But they were in a pretty good shape for that. So shout out to her for going through and sucking on my toes anyway. Did it kind of turn you on a little bit? Oh, I. in a very weird way.

I had never had anything on my feet licked before. And I was, I kind of, I'm not going to lie. I kind of like that a little bit. It was like, it felt good. Did it happen to get in the boom boom room that night? I mean, no, she didn't lick my toe again. I don't know. But we, I mean, there was some use of the whipped cream

because we took it, just not back on the toe. Oh, yeah. I saw you guys walking back to the boom boom room and I was like, he needs way more than that if he's going to spend all night in that room. I bet it was emptied out. Oh my gosh. I'm pissed because I wanted strawberries the next day for breakfast and I was told they were all out.

That's because if you two. Sorry about that. I mean, we had a lot of full with those strawberries and we ate quite a few of them. We did quite a bit of thing with them. So I'm just leaving there. Okay. When I say when y'all walked back up, your shirt was buttoned all wrong. Your pants were like rolled up at the bottom.

it was there was still whipped cream Marissa not only had whipped cream I'm assuming it was whipped cream on her face she had some on her arm at one point I was like you guys are a mess and the best way it was a struggle to get the clothes back on I might even broke a button during that whole like

ordeal so I mean it was just a struggle but good struggle I had a good time doing it I do it I remember having you guys walk back because obviously we did have to go to the row ceremony very early in the morning watching you guys walk back and I was like I those two, but I love this for them.

Yeah. I didn't even know if, I didn't even know if we make it back to the rose ceremony, to be honest. But we, I mean, obviously we did, but I was just like, you made it. This is going too well. So what a, that is a rose ceremony for the books, if I ever saw one.

Speaking of the boom boom room, we, you know, earlier this season, we saw you to go into it after your first date. And there are so many annoying haters out there. Obviously, people came more so at Marissa, which is so terrible and discouraging, which obviously it's such a double standard. But what do you have to say to all the trolls that gave you two shit for going to the boom, boom room so early?

Oh, well, first things first, we grow. Minds a business. Okay? We came out to paradise. We are looking to be in committed relationships. We are trying to find love. Me and Marissa hit it off on the very first night. I know there are many people out there who.

wish they could hit it off the way we hit it off on the first night and then make their way to the bedroom and then after that night we still be into each other you know what I'm saying I know you wish you had it like that but you don't so calm that ass down you know what I'm saying one day one day you know I hope the best for you and maybe you could experience something like that um but yeah at the end of the day like this is how me and marissa felt uh about one another There was obviously physical chemistry. There was emotional chemistry as well. And then it just led to the boom room, which is where you want it to leave.

I don't think anybody is trying to have a relationship or a marriage or anything like that that is void of sexual intercourse. I mean, some people might, not something that I'm into. A lot of people that I know are, you know, into that. So if you can get there and it's great, you know, good for you. It was good for us. So, fuck y'all. Yeah. I mean, you said it best.

I could not say it better than that. Everyone's adults. We all make our own decisions. And you two are so happy. And it led to one of the strongest relationships on that beach. So kudos to both. Yeah, when you know, you know. And also, too, Tia and I were jealous because we wanted to go to the boom boom room just for the AC.

So you had the right idea, man. You had the right idea. So I'm so refreshed every morning. She's like, hey guys. how did you sleep last night? We're like, we got two hours sweating our asses off.

Okay, so the first date, because you just touched on that, obviously there was such a strong connection. You both hit it off and started this beautiful relationship. But that date itself, you ate a lot of interesting things.

You too have had some interesting things in your mouth of this entire Paradise experience. Did you actually eat the tongue that was pretty? presented in front of you. Oh, the big joint? Yeah, I did actually eat the tongue. It was, yeah, I did.

It was a big bite. I was actually, I was starving at that time, too. So, like, when you saw me eating, like, you kept seeing me take these big bites. Marissa said y'all eventually stopped answering questions just so you could try the food. Yeah, we did a little bit of that. You were like, why don't we just eat it?

It's here. You might as well go for it. Yeah. That makes it more fun. Yeah, no, it was good. Just we're all in. You know, I feel like some people, would have been like, oh, no, I'm not going to do this, but you were like, whatever.

I'm with the girl I like. I'm having a great conversation. Let's just go with the flow. It's paradise. What was the most interesting thing that you ate that night? We're talking boom boom room and we're talking about that dinner. Either way. Hey, however you wanted to interpret that, Riley. I'm kidding.

I'm kidding. Riley's getting bashful over there right now. I'm blushing. Riley, this is a complete 180 having you on this time around than when we had you on after Tasia season. I love this.

I love the real Riley. This shit's good. Listen, once I get comfortable and I get to know you miss game time, maybe. So obviously, you put a lot of things in your mouth that night, Riley. But what was the most unique or most interesting besides Marissa?

besides her right now i would say so we had this um it was it came in in a shot glass i think it was um well to be i don't know exactly what it was but it was it was like it was a different kind of texture it was kind of like pudding um and the taste it had like this like a like a saltier type of taste to it it was a very unique something that i never tried before it was a very interesting experience uh to say at least. I'm glad I tried it because there was so much, so many things there that I'd never tried before. So I'm glad I did that. It was definitely, though, you know, experience and experience for the ages that I'd probably do it again, you know, if I had an opportunity. Well, if you'll imagine eating an oyster for the first time is interesting too. It's like this

salty, slimy thing and I love them. I love that, though. I love that you both kept such an open mind. And it wasn't only you. It seems like Marissa did it as well, which I think is great. And it really, I think, sets the tone for a relationship to see how you both kind of, you know, embrace new different experiences. Yeah, we're meeting each other. Yeah. We're like, listen, we're meeting each other for the first time. We're both in paradise for the first time. Let's see how it goes. And it went well, in my opinion. Very well. I think in everyone's opinion, it went very well. Okay, speaking of foods, we can't forget about the good old cake. that RIP went into the fire

because your reaction to the cake burning was gold It was the best of all It was such a good reaction How upset were you? He had the bowl of ice cream ready to go Like he wanted that cake

How upset were you that you didn't get a piece of that? I'm still mad about that day, okay, okay? Listen, listen, it was chocolate everything. I'm like, yo, I want to I wanted to try it. You know, it was probably so good, too. Oh, yeah. Everything that came into that kitchen was incredible.

Yeah, this was paradise. Everybody knew the food was A1. And I was like, you just wasted a perfectly good, like, full cake, not a slice. It wasn't like a slice or something like that I had to be forced. No, it was a full cake that we really could have like, everybody could have took a bite in that bonfire and just going around multiple times and it was like, nah, you wanted to just destroy it because if, I mean, I get it, you know, you got emotion when the situation was intense, but I was like, not the cake.

I throw a shoe in there or shirt or something. Yeah, throw something else and we don't give a shit about. Not the cake. You know what I'm saying? Not the cake. So, yeah, I was,

I'm still pretty upset about the cake. Oh, I was crying. Oh, that was good. That was good. Okay. Overall, there's still so much that happens that I can't wait for people to see.

But up until this point, if you had to describe Paradise in one word, what would it be? Hmm. I'm alive in one word. That's hard. You can give us three. Give us three different words.

I can give you, whatever you want. First things first. I got to go sexy because it's a lot of that. I can say it's hilarious because it's very funny. And then phenomenal. The overall experience of paradise is so far what we've seen has been phenomenal from, you know,

the love stories to the sexiness to the drama, you know, all of it to the people that you meet. So I think right now, all three of those words kind of embody what we've seen so far. And I probably have more words as it continues on. But that's what I got so far. Well, we might have you back on. This has been such a pleasure. I'm surprised you didn't just go with boom, boom room.

You know what? I mean, we could rename the boom, boom room, you know, Riley and Marissa's room if we like. We can do that. There's going to be a plaque on the door next year for whoever enters. It's just going to have an M and an R on it. Um, listen, M&R was here. I'm about that. Riley, this has been such a pleasure. Before we let you go, though, we're going to play a quick little Paradise Superlative game. So T and I are just going to give you some superlatives back

and forth and you just have to give us the name that comes to mine first. So to start, who would you say is the funniest in Paradise? Uh, Carl. His actions were pretty hilarious in my opinion. They just wear a poem reading. Everything. It was funny. All right. Next one. Best dressed. paradise. Noah. Noah came out there with some funky stuff sometimes. I was like, okay, I'm down with that. I always wonder, like, how many chains is he going to show up in today? You know? Right? He showed up to the VIP party. I'm pretty sure he borrowed Abigail's at one point. Oh, yeah. He came dressed to impress. All right. Who was the biggest flirt in paradise?

Biggest flirt. Sorry, this is terrible Biggest flirt Tammy? Yeah, Tammy comes in mind Can you talk to a lot of people? Okay, next one Crybaby of Paradise McKenna, she came right in and started crying Asap

All right, quickly All right, the most outspoken in paradise other than myself you can say yourself if you want oh no I'll say somebody other than myself Aaron he did not hold that that's true he did not life of the party

yeah who's the life of the party in paradise oh who's the life of the party me I said what were you at that VIP party? Oh I wasn't I don't know okay but Riley best dancer in paradise

also me also okay also me and i'm not even a great dancer it was just that for whatever reason i was feeling myself tonight but you got uh you got me um busting out the worm you had no out there doing some dirty stuff um you had uh jimmy out there and then becca you went out there and cut the road too so i was having a black yeah so yeah we did a damn thing we're worth the life of the party that night you god damn oh i want to relive that okay who is the sexiest in paradise Marissa I was going to say if you don't say that name

we're going to have some problems Most muscular in paradise Me and then if not me What's the one dude James? James pretty jacked dude He ate 5 times a day He didn't talk to anyone but he ate

All day Okay Last but not least Two is the biggest heartbreaker of paradise? The biggest heartbreaker. Who led a lot of people down? Actually, no. Tia, you were out there

breaking hearts, okay? Listen, that is you. You were out there breaking hearts. Tia is a little heartbreaker. I will give you that. Riley, it was such an absolute pleasure having you on today. I'm so glad we were able to talk to you

again. It's been too long because we miss you. Oh, I miss you as well. Thank you for having me. It's always a pleasure. Anytime you want me back, just holl at your boy. I'll be right now. We will. We will. You're the best.

It's so fun. All right. Thanks, Riley. Take care. All right. I'll talk to you later. Oh, I love Riley. Oh, he's the best.

He's a freaking best. I'm black people can see that side of him. Like, he's actually like that all the time. So fun. He's such a fun, dude. I remember when we first had him on Happy Hour last year, he was so nervous. Even afterwards, he's like, did I do okay? Like, I didn't want to say too much.

And he just, I feel like, feel so much more comfortable. Paradise is such a different setting than other shows because it's co-ed. There's so many people. There's so much going on that I feel like it's easier for each and every one of us to relax. And I feel like... Yeah, it's a little looser. Let's strict. Yeah. And it makes it easier when you're falling in love with somebody and like really establishing a connection. So he, um, he's been so great to watch. I'm glad that we were able to have him on. And I can't wait to see where his relationship with Marissa takes him. And I can't

wait to see those pecks on screen. Oh my gosh. I know. Listen. Monster. I know there's footage out there of him busting a watermelon with his biceps. And this is the

footage. ABC, release it if you can please, because we need to see this in the world. I mean, I gave a whole interview just talking about him working out one time. So if I could just... We watched him work. out daily.

Oh, my. Tia and I would sit at the edge of the pool. We would have our martinis. We would just look over the edge. Watch the men working out. We did. It was, it was the real show. This is, this is why you go to Paradise if you can, people. But a huge thank you to Riley. Tia, thank you for joining me again this week. And an even bigger thank you to all of our incredible happy hour listeners. Thank you for tuning in once more. And we have a couple more weeks to come of paradise and you won't want to miss it. Uh, if you want to follow us on social and see all of the happenings going on, please do so. We are at Bachelor Happy Hour on Instagram and at Badge Nation pods on both Facebook and Twitter. And as always, please don't forget

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