Bachelor Happy Hour - Rolling into Hometowns!

Episode Date: October 17, 2024

Today on “Happy Hour,” we’re recapping last night’s episode of “The Golden Bachelorette”! With Hometowns next week, this episode went down to the wire and we’re getting into all of it. We kick off with Joe and Serena’s favorite moments from the episode. Next, we discuss the dates this week, including Joan’s decision to not give out date roses. And, of course, Joe and Serena tell us who will be joining us on “Happy Hour” later this week. Tune in to hear all this and more, and be sure to subscribe so you never miss an episode. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly, and now I'm seriously suspicious. Wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, luckily, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend's been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone.

Hold up. Isn't that against school policy? That seems inappropriate. Maybe find out how it ends by listening to the OK Storytime podcast and the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hi, my name is Enya Umanzor. And I'm Drew Phillips. And we run a podcast called Emergency Intercom. If you're a crime junkie and you love crimes, we're not the podcast for you. But if you have unmedicated ADHD... Oh, my God, perfect.

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I'm Joe. And I'm Serena. And we are back to recap episode five. And then later on, we have a very special guest coming on. His name, you guys all know him, is Gary. He lit up the screen when he was there. He was always in a good mood. But he's an emotional guy.

die, so maybe we'll get him to cry. Maybe. You never know. You never know on this podcast. It can go a billion different ways, but we're excited to chat with him. I feel like we saw bits and pieces of his relationship with Joan, but just to learn more about their connection and what they bonded over and just more about Gary in his life. Yeah, Joan, something I'm realizing watching this show is Joan doesn't have the greatest poker face. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I agree. And I felt that in this episode. Yeah, me too. Big time.

Yeah, big time. I feel like it's, with some seasons, it's very hard to tell where the lead is falling with their feelings. And others, it's a little bit easier, which is just, you know, it's natural. Like, you wear their heart on the sleeve a little bit more than others. And yeah, Joan, I'm starting to see where things are headed. Me too. But it'll be good to chat with Gary later. And what did you think about episode five?

I thought it was entertaining. I thought this episode was good. Lots is happening. We're heading into hometown. So it's always kind of like a pivotal, pivotal, episode. Yes. What did you think of this episode? Any favorite moments?

Yeah, my favorite, my favorite moment. This might have been my favorite moment on the entire season was not Mark leaving, but just Pascal being like, Mark's my best friend. I know. She took it really hard. And you know what, Pascal was such a hype man for him when he was going on his date, too? But I just looked at these two older men, they reminded me of just like innocent 12-year-old boys. Yeah, being like, he's my best friend. I can't believe we're in different classes in sixth grade.

Yeah, calling some of your best friend and I still do it. We all do it. But it just, it's... Yeah, we all have best friends. It just sounds so childish. Yeah, but in a sweet way. Yeah. I liked it too.

I thought it was a sweet moment. And I thought it was relatable having been a contestant on the show. He goes, he's my best friend. Oh, that was funny. That was funny. He sounded like sunny a little bit in that moment, which is Joe's best friend's son. Yeah. But yeah, I feel like it is relatable.

Having been on the show when the person that or one of the people that you're closest to and you're really confiding in and you trust to just kind of vent to and lean on when you're having tough moments leaves, it is hard. Like when Abigail left when we were on Paradise, I, was devastated. I was like, I can't do this without her. Like, I need her here. I need her to come back. What was a standout moment for you? Standout for me. Probably the hummingbird moment with Mark. I just thought that was really impactful, especially having the background information about Kelsey being on the show and talking about her connection to her mom. So just seeing him open up and be vulnerable about that, I thought was really beautiful. Yeah, I agree. There's a lot of, like, reference to symbolism.

and animals and comfort and that. I will say the- I feel throughout the most recent seasons. I will say the yacht date was very awkward at times. Yeah, but let's kick it off at the top and we'll get into all of it. All right, let's do it. Okay. So, week starts off.

We find out that she is not going to be giving out any group date roses on the one-on-ones or the group date. What did you think about that? I'm fine with that. I'm fine with it, too. It's not very common. I feel like we rarely see them say like, I don't know if we've, I can't actually remember a time where they've said we're not going to give out roses until the rose ceremony. I don't like roses on dates.

Really? Why not? Because I like saving it all for the end. I feel like this week, if there's a week to not give out a rose on a date, because I feel like the roses make things a little bit juicier and it's kind of telling on where the lead is leaning, especially at the group date roses. But I feel like at this point, it's such a serious week going into hometowns. It makes the most sense out of any other week to be like, I'm going to wait and give myself time to like think on this until the end of the week. Yeah, that makes sense. She had her chat with Trista.

Trista's been like the comeback queen of the franchise. She's on every single season. Well, they love her for Golden. But she was on Jen season too. Was she on Jen season? Yeah, she came and did the follow the Yellow Brick Road date. Yeah, no, Trista has been on. the past, I feel like since we've been on Bachelor Happy Hour, I think she's been on every season

that we've recapped. Yeah, she might hold a record for cameos. Yeah. But she's great. I mean, we love to see her. So they have a chat and Trista kind of explains, I feel like my biggest regret was not being open enough. And obviously, she met her husband on the show. And she said she wished she'd been more vulnerable and open with her feelings about him. And I feel like that's kind of- Because he was with her, but I disagree. I don't, I don't believe, I don't think that's correct. You don't think that's good advice. No. Why not? Because, you know, she's been married to Ryan now for so long that she I feel like she probably forgets that she did have feelings for other people in, at the time. And you don't, I feel like the lead doesn't always know which way to go. And if you are,

If you do tell someone you love them, like in Clayton Eckert's situation where he told multiple people that he loved them, there ends up being, there's always, there's always an issue with that. And then your person potentially watches it back. So I almost think you're better off keeping those feelings close to your chest. And then afterwards, when you do choose that person, you could be more vulnerable. Yeah, it's such a fine line. Yeah. And I think every lead would likely have a different take on it based on their experience.

Like if you ask Ben Higgins, who told multiple people Clayton Ackert, who told multiple people versus some of the people that might have been more conservative with their feelings. I think they're all going to have different answers. But don't be too conservative like Zach, who just went out there and was like, I'm not having sex with anyone. Well, he wasn't conservative at the end of the day. Yeah. He threw that out the window.

But I do agree with you. I think opening up about your feelings too much is a very risky move that doesn't always pay off and being a little bit more closed off is maybe the safer play but you're you're less likely to hurt someone's feelings if you change your mind or something happens where you've said it to people in that person that you end up with has a problem with that yeah anyway first group date or sorry, first date is a one-on-one, and it's with Keith, who got the First Impression Rose Night One from Joan. And last week, they had a chat at, I think it was the cocktail party,

before the Rose ceremony, and it was quite awkward. Their relationship has really been on the decline since First Impression Rose. We see that every so often, that the person that gets the first impression rose, like if they, I feel like the truth is if the person that gets the first impression rose, isn't top two like we usually see that relationship like fizzle pretty hard like it there becomes like all of a sudden there's just like zero connection well and i think that there's been this kind of awkwardness between keith and joan the last few weeks where it just feels like the relationship isn't moving in a romantic direction and keith seems to be freaking out because of that awkwardness because he

wants it to go in that direction but i feel like what's happening is he wants it to move to be more serious, more romantic. And I just think Jones not feeling it. And I think he's like, why isn't this working? And it's making him feel uncomfortable and anxious. But at the end of the day, I think that's coming from a place of him, like, deep down, feeling like his emotions are not being reciprocated. And I don't think they're being reciprocated.

Like, I don't think she feels that romantic connection with him. I think it's turned into way more of a friendship on her end, at least. Yeah, 100%. Like, there was, I was getting, like, no sense. spark from her on this date. Yeah, I agree. But, I mean, I thought it was pretty. Like, going to a winery and sitting and drinking wine.

Yeah. I liked the activity for them. Yeah, I feel like, yeah, it's hard because that's why, in my opinion, like, Paradise's is a better show because you just have, there's just more options. We're like, it's hard for somebody like Keith who now he's questioning himself. Yeah. Yeah, he's getting in his head. Yeah, when the answer's kind of just simple, like, she's just not really that into you. She's really into a few other guys.

And now you're, you're questioning, like, is there something wrong with me? Is this and that? But, like, you know, if the situation was a paradise situation, you two may not even have ever. You never would have gotten this far. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah. And I just think that she gave him that first impression rose because he did make a,

great first impression he came out very strong very confident um they had a lot of fun together a lot in common and i think it made for a great base for a friendship for them to get along and i think his romantic feelings grew and hers just didn't unfortunately my boyfriends professor is way too friendly and now i'm seriously suspicious oh wait a minute sam maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit well dakota it's back to school week on the okay story time podcast so we'll find out soon This person writes, my boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now, he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone.

Now, hold up. Isn't that against school policy? That sounds totally inappropriate. Well, according to this person, this is her boyfriend's former professor, and they're the same age. And it's even more likely that they're cheating. He insists there's nothing between them. I mean, do you believe him? Well, he's certainly trying to get this person to believe him because he now wants them both to meet.

So, do we find out if this person's boyfriend, really cheated with his professor or not. To hear the explosive finale, listen to the OK Storytime podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. I'm Jemel Hill, host to the Sports and Politics Podcasts Politics. And on the latest episode of Politics, House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries joins me for a candid conversation about the state of the Democratic Party. What do Republicans say to you privately that they won't say publicly?

Many of them are in fear of their political lives, and that's been part of the challenge. but we continue to say to them, you were elected to defend your constituents, to stand up for your constituents, and there's life after Congress. And you should be willing to actually want to be able to look back on your time in the House of Representatives knowing that you can keep your head held high

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And I'm Drew Phillips. And we run a podcast called Emergency Intercom. If you're a crime junkie and you love crimes, we're not the podcast for you. But if you have unmedicated ADHD... Oh my God, perfect. And want to hear people with... Mental illness, psychobabble.

Yes, yes. Then Emergency Intercom is the podcast for you. Open your free IHeartRadio app. Search Emergency Intercom and listen now. In the midst of this one-on-one, we see a scene with Mark back at the house. He's kind of walking around outside. We see clips of a hummingbird, and it cuts to him talking to the men inside, kind of opening up to them about what that means, how his late wife, Denise, he feels connected to her through this symbol of a hummingbird.

Yeah, and when we did interview Mark, he mentioned, like, you know, I lost my wife. That was out of my control. We didn't get a divorce. And yeah, I think just the process of dealing with that is just so tough. And we see that. 100%. And just if you guys watched Joey's season, Mark's start. or Kelsey was on it and she talked about the passing of her mom and she feels connected to her mom through the symbol of butterflies. So to see that kind of mirrored in Mark's experience with the hummingbird, um, I don't know. It was like really sad and just seeing the depth of his grief for his late wife was obviously heartbreaking because he's in this process of trying to move on while

also missing the person that he committed spending his life with. But simultaneously there was like beauty and hope in it because the symbol reflected him feeling like reassured that he was here for a reason he was doing the right thing and that there is still hope for him to find love again and kind of feeling reassured that that's what his wife would have wanted yeah and watching it I think everyone is hoping that mark was the guy to receive the next one-on-one which he ends up being the next guy to receive the one-on-one because she announces the group date and he's not on it and it's a bowling group date it's a bowling group date um What did you think of the group date?

I mean, okay, so whatever, group date's fine, fun. They bowl, yeah, yeah. Bowling's cute. Pascal. Doesn't want him with a bowling shoes. Yeah, but he does great. He bowls a striker or close to a strike. But I think the big thing, and this is kind of the first time all season, and we see this so much in the regular seasons.

You know, you see Chuck kind of just like all over Joan, his arm around her. she's like snuggled up in his embrace yeah they did a wide shot of it and you could see the guy sitting like scattered amongst the bench and then they're all like five feet away from each other and then joan and chalk are just like in the corner's like cuddling yeah and like i've always i'm always someone that kind of i'm like yeah like hey listen it's fair game like you do do your thing uh but i do think when when you are in a room with all the other guys I think there's kind of like a time in place and if you are going to do that, that's fine

but like let's make it quick. And let's make it sneaky. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, a little more, yeah. We had a bowling date when I was on The Bachelor and if one of the girls had gone up and just like, we're all in a group hanging out and just sat on the Bachelor's lap, I'd be like, girlfriend, you've got to be kidding me.

Like, pull them off to the side and make out in a dark corner. Like, I don't care, but you're, You're kind of airing it out for all of us to see. And it's also, I mean, it's also a little on Joan. It's a little on the lead because she also kind of needs to be aware that there are other guys. And like, you know. I know. But the lead's always in a tough position there of like not wanting to make anyone feel rejected.

And I also think that her and chalk like really like each other. Well, yeah. Like he's definitely up there. I also, on top of that, though, like we haven't seen. seen a lot of aggressive is a strong word, but like the guys aren't really like pursuing Joan in a strong way. No, they're more passive. They're more passive, at least from what we've seen. So if I'm her, I'm like, thank you. Like, you know, I want to feel pursued. I want to feel like you guys want me like you're coming after me a little bit. Yeah, I think that comes with.

There's a bit of a chase happening here. I also think that comes with like, I don't know how many of them were actively dating before the show, but I would say they're not as active as your 20-year-olds. So I think it's probably, I think it's probably, they're not at a bar, like going for a girl who's got like two other guys kind of trying to talk to her. Yeah. So I just, I just think it's a little, yeah, it's probably just, like unfamiliar territory. 100%.

Yeah. But I thought the bowling was fun. I thought it was fun, honestly, to have just like a little bit of tension on the date because I feel like everything's gone so smoothly. this whole season and it's all been very like lovely and sweet to just have the guys kind of be a little bit tense I don't know is that bad to say no I agree 100% like right now I'm just like it's it's very much like Joan Jones favorite is chalk at least from this date it's the only one right now that I'm kind of getting like can't give chalk a run for his money

is probably Jordan I feel the same way Yeah. And then other than that, it's, yeah, it's, I mean, we, and we see who ends up going to hometowns because this is the episode. Yeah. Yeah. Which I, like, before this episode, so before we're going to, we'll get into Mark's yacht date. But before Mark's yacht date, I would have never, never have guessed that Pascal was going to be in their over Mark. I would agree with you on that, yeah, because we have. haven't seen a lot. Or Jonathan. I thought Jonathan or Mark were going to be that fourth spot. I think we just haven't seen a lot of Pascal and Jones relationships since their second week one-on-one date. And yeah, I just think, especially on this group date, we saw Joan and

Jonathan have kind of a more meaningful in-depth conversation. He's showing her, like, photos of him and his family and cards and all these things. It just felt like there might be a little bit more like depth to that relationship and Mark's relationship than hers with Pascal but it also just me might be like Pascal's such personality and like we see a lot of the like fun silly moments but maybe they've had more deep moments as well yeah yeah so we we cut to Mark's yacht date one-on-one date yeah which I don't know why this is I feel like the yacht dates always get such crap weather yeah like it's full fog and overcast yeah LA is like L.A. is sunny 300 days out of the year.

And it's like every time they do a yacht date. It's like the helicopter dates, it's like blue sky. And then they throw them on a boat and it's like, it's bumpy and cold. Yeah. And that's kind of how this date really kicks off is bumpy and cold. Like they're kind of both just. Yeah. Emotionally too. Yeah.

They're both kind of just kind of pretty quiet. And I think this is the first time that I've now seen Joan and Mark together where I was like, oh, they actually don't really seem to have a strong connection. Yeah. And I mean, like, silence doesn't always mean awkward silence. Like, they could have just been sitting there enjoying their time together. But at the same time, like, this is your first one-on-one. Like, there should be a little excitement, a little adrenaline. And the convo just didn't seem to be flowing. I would say neither of them are really yappers either. Like, Mark is a little more soft, a little more

reserved, definitely great conversationalists, but it doesn't seem like either of them's like propelling the conversation. If that makes sense? Well, it didn't in that moment. Definitely not in that moment. So I think that the game, like the scavenger hunt game, was

absolutely necessary. Like they needed an activity, which is not uncommon. Like a lot of people on first dates want to do an activity because sometimes sitting and just having a conversation for three hours with someone you don't know that well is a little bit difficult.

Yeah. And it's even more difficult when there's cameras in your face. 100%. And who knows? Maybe like the boat was loud. I don't know. Yeah. Yeah.

It just wasn't. It was just overall like overall this date. I don't know. There's not much to say. It was just kind of like, yeah, like I feel like we now know Mark is not the guy. Yeah. I think what their relationship on this date reminded me a lot of was from last season on the Golden Bachelor Gary and Susan's relationship.

They clearly had such a strong. connection on a like a friendship bond and they really enjoyed each other but maybe they weren't the right fit for each other as it's not even that there was no chemistry it's just like I just don't think there are necessarily

a fit for each other as partners my boyfriend's professor is way too friendly and now I'm seriously suspicious oh wait a minute Sam maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit well Dakota it's back to school week on the okay story time podcast so we'll find soon. This person writes, my boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor a lot.

He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone. Now hold up, isn't that against school policy? That sounds totally inappropriate. Well, according to this person, this is her boyfriend's former professor and they're the same age. And it's even more likely that they're cheating. He insists there's nothing between them. I mean, do you believe him? Well, he's certainly trying to get this person to believe him because he now wants them both to meet. So, do we find out if this person's boyfriend really cheated with his professor or not. To hear the explosive finale, listen to the OK Storytime podcast on the IHeart Radio app,

Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. I'm Jamil Hill, host of the Sports and Politics Podcasts Politics. And on the latest episode of Politics, House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries joins me for a candid conversation about the state of the Democratic Party. What do Republicans say to you privately that they won't say publicly? Many of them are in fear of their political lives, and that's been part of the challenge. But we continue to say to them, you were elected to defend your constituents to stand up for your constituents. And there's life after Congress. And you should be willing to actually

want to be able to look back on your time in the House of Representatives knowing that you can keep your head held high because you did the right thing. Donald Trump is gone in three and a half years. But their legacy or their failure to stand up to the extremism and the unprecedented assault on America as we know it will be with them forever make sure to listen to spolitics on the iHeart radio app apple podcast or wherever you get your podcast hi my name is enya umanzor and i'm drew phillips and we run a podcast called emergency intercom if you're a crime junkie and you love crimes we're not the podcast for you but if you have unmedicated ADHD D.

Oh, my God, perfect. And want to hear people with mental illness, psychobabble. Yes, yes. Then Emergency Intercom is the podcast for you. Open your free IHeartRadio app. Search Emergency Intercom and listen now. Yeah, I mean, we see after their date, the next, the following day, Joan calls Mark to the side to, like, speak with him.

And her side of the story is she essentially said, like, I think you've grown a lot, but I don't really think that you are ready. Yeah. Or ready, like, when I was ready and therefore we are no longer on the same pace. Yeah. I, she said I need someone as far along in their journey as I am. which made to me the way I took it was that she was saying

I'm ready to find my partner I don't know if you're where I am in your dating journey okay okay so let's stop there that is what she said but I feel like I'm misreading that but that is what she said and she said like I wrote this down

she said I didn't see us in our conversations and it does seem like he talks about his wife and she talks about her husband and that's majority of their conversations is talking about the bond that they have over the loss of their spouses versus like what their lives would be like together as a unit.

Yeah, that is definitely what, but I feel like that's, yeah, and I think that's, that was her conversation with majority of the guys. And I, I, I don't know, I don't know yet. I don't, I don't, because I want to be like, but I feel like Mark's ready.

I'm watching it. And Mark's not giving me that, like, I'm not ready for a serious relationship. No, he's not really giving that to me either. I think that it might have felt that way, though, because their main topic of conversation was their spouses. Yeah. But I don't necessarily know if that's because Mark isn't ready, which maybe he's not. Like, we could ask him if we hopefully get to chat with him again. Or maybe it's just that they didn't really have much in common.

And that was kind of the thing that they fell on. I think that's, I think that's what it really is. I think so too. Like, I think that was the thing they had in common. And he is very eloquent in speaking about his experience with that and with his grief. And I think he was almost like a support system for her in this journey, guiding her through that. And I think it stalled the progression of their relationship because that was just like the main topic of conversation that they were having. It also might just be something that he's comfortable talking about and she's comfortable talking about.

and she's comfortable talking about and they didn't really leave that comfort zone together. So then the question is why did she, but my question to you right now is why did she pull Mark to the side

and give him special treatment? Why do I not just not give Mark a rose? I just think she liked him more than the other two. You think so, huh? I think that also they had a special one-on-one date the day before. I think that out of the three guys

he sent home, she had the strongest connection with him like i think do you think if joan had a rose on that date she would have given it to him she would have felt the pressure and just gave him the rose or because we're going in the hometowns no no and i think that she knew she was probably having one-on-ones with keith and mark and probably was going into them not sure if she was going to be bringing them to hometowns and that influenced the decision to not be giving out any roses yeah yeah because she might have just been like, I don't know, and I might leave the date and need more time to think about it before the rose ceremony.

Yeah. Well, Mark. I mean, I think Keith would not have gotten a rose because Keith didn't even get a walkout. No, Keith's got nothing. But I think if, but I think that. See you, Keith. Bye Keith. Sorry, sorry, buddy.

But I think that at the end of the yacht date, I could have seen Joan being like, I can't give this out. I'm not sure I have to think on things more. Yeah. I mean, their conversation was really heartfelt. They're both very genuine in it. The lighting is so good. It's like golden hour.

They're outside. I mean, like, their backlit in like the most gorgeous way. No, you were excited. You were very excited about the lighting. Oh, my God. The lighting was so good. You really enjoyed that. I really enjoyed it.

So, yeah, Marco's home. It's a sad departure. All the guys, we see Pascal's like my best friends going home. I know. But Mark was, I feel like Mark was that guy. And I guess this is why it probably makes sense that Joan made a special moment for Mark. It was like, you could see, like, Mark was basically everybody's favorite person in the house, which is, which is difficult because he kind of went in there where most guys, I think, would be a little jealous or envious of the situation that Mark was in. Yeah.

And he was clearly, yeah, he was the most likable guy in the house. I agree. And I also think that it doesn't seem that he has dated extensively, if really at all, since the passing of his wife. And I think it was definitely considerate of her to not be like, let me meet your family. Let me be one of the first, if only people you've brought home to your kids and your siblings and all these people after your wife passed. If I know that I'm not going to end up with you. Okay. So I do have a quick little question.

Okay. Do we think that because Mark has a history with the show, meaning his history is Kelsey, who is now engaged to Joey, who was the last bachelor, do we think that played any part in Joan making a special moment for Mark? Like, do we think that she was more sensitive towards setting him home? because he has his daughter and his future son-in-law within the franchise. Yeah, not only that, Joan, in a way, like, knows a little more about his daughter. Like, she, Joan has watched Kelsey's. She's met her. She's met her. She's watched her experience.

So maybe because she has that personal connection to Kelsey, she was. Right. It's kind of like if you're a boss at an office and you have to fire three people and two of them are just like employees and one of them's like your friend or your friend's child or your friend's child you're going to handle that one

maybe a little bit differently I see what you're saying and maybe that played a small role but I don't think it played a big role because I do think that he was so vulnerable I do think that they had a connection I do think she really liked him I just think there was a little bit extra

I think she just felt like there was a little extra sensitivity needed in the breakup up, especially because they had literally just had their one-on-one date the day before. So it's always going to sting. Well, so did Keith. Nah, Keith was like three days. You know, it's like a year in Bachelor World. I think I played a bigger part than you think.

Maybe. We could ask her. I mean, we agree to discreet. We agree to scree. Well, maybe never know the truth. Yeah. But, I mean, it's an interesting thing to think about, and it's definitely possible, even if it was, like, subconscious on her part.

So we got, we have hometowns coming up. Oh, you know what Mark said? That was really sweet when he left, though. He did say, I'm leaving here. a better human being, a better man, and a better father. And I thought that was really a nice thing to say. Yeah, and I believe him. And we

have hometowns next week. So Keith and Jonathan ended up not getting a rose. Yeah. Which Jonathan, I was like Keith, I was pretty sure it wasn't going to work out. As much as I really like him,

I just didn't see them together. Jonathan, I thought, might sneak in there over Pascal or guy. yeah i mean i don't know after interviewing jonathan i don't think that just you don't see him with joan yeah and i just the way he talked about his whole experience on the show um i wonder if people well i wonder if joan thinks about like the ages of the kids and like the jobs like if if she's looking at people, I mean, it sounds unromantic, but it's a practical thing to think about. Yeah, it's like, okay, if, you know, one person is, if she's retired and the other person's retired and they have grown kids and that gives them more flexibility and their lifestyles can match up versus if it's someone that's like maybe a little bit younger and working still.

And they have young kids where it's like there's still a lot of parenting and involvement happening. Like I wonder if that's something that she thought about throughout this process. I think you kind of have to a little bit because it is going to drastically impact your lifestyle and she does say she doesn't want to move so someone somewhere with young kids they're probably not picking up their 14 year old and dragging them to where Joan lives

love love love love love is great right totally we love love we're a dating show recap podcast love love is a wonderful thing and I think love on this show is the main driver comes first

when you're choosing the person that you want to end up with but you do have to consider everything. If you're serious about making the relationship work after the show, you have to put everything into consideration where they live, how old they are, how many kids they have, what they do. All that shit's going to matter when you get off the show. Income, retirement, how much, you know, their spending habits are, like everything. Yeah, because you're not, you can't, you're not going to be able to live in bachelor land forever.

And I also think when we look at Bachelor, a Bachelor at Bachelor in Paradise and we're dealing, you know, with early 20 to mid-30-year-olds, it's a little bit easier to like throw it all the way for love. Whereas when you're 65-70, I mean, depends on the person. But from what we've seen the past two seasons, there's much less of that than there is in the season of like, well, we got to figure out where to live. But we'll figure it out. You know, I'm willing to move. He's willing to move. We're both going to take a year off work and then, you know, there's just a little more flexibility, especially when kids aren't involved. Definitely.

I think kids really change everything. Yeah. So we have our final four, our final four men. Yep, we have Jordan, chalk. Those are my two. I think they're going to be top two. Yeah, me too. And then we have Guy.

Guy. Guy. And we have Pascal. Pascal. I love that. Pascal's still there. I can't wait for his hometown. I'm so excited. Me too. And it's in Chicago. Oh, yeah. They're going to have two hometowns in Chicago because Jordan's in Chicago as well. Yeah.

What's what are our final four is looking like? Who do you have left? Let me see. I have two in there. Okay. So your predictions were Guy who's in the final four, Jonathan, unfortunately, just missed out, Jordan, and then Dan. And then mine, I had chalk. Still there.

Yeah. Chalk's honestly Chalk's the heavy hitter right now. He's the favorite. Yeah. I think Jordan could really sneak up from behind. Not behind. He's not far behind. If anything, they're close to equal. You have the, it doesn't matter if I have two losers. You have the favorite.

You don't know that, though. You're basing up one cuddle session on a bowling alley. Well, I have Chalk. I have Charles Kaye who left earlier on. Mark, who's now unfortunately gone. And Keith, who's unfortunately gone. So I have one and you have two. Two. I have two horses in the race. you have one and unfortunately you it only takes one to win though it only takes one to win it's a kentucky derby and i think you might have the winner all right well we will have to see next week we have

hometowns so be sure to tune to that and then we will have our recap and special guest interview as well yep and make sure you check out our episode with gary coming up you won't want to miss it thank you for tuning in listening to bachelor happy all are be sure to listen and subscribe we have new episodes every single week with recaps and exclusive interviews coming your way. Thanks for listening. Bye. Bye.

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