Bachelor Happy Hour - Running the Tape Back on Tell All!

Episode Date: March 19, 2024

Joe and Serena recap last night’s wildly eventful “Women Tell All!” They kick it off with their thoughts on the explosive start to this episode: Was Madina just a pawn all along?Then, we dive into all the hot seats, from Jenn’s unexpected emotional moment to Lexi’s reflection on her departure and the Maria-Sydney confrontation we’ve all been waiting for. Finally, Joe and Serena cover everything Rachel said. From the online hate she’s received to her emotional goodbye in Tulum, we get into it all. Tune in now and be sure to follow so you never miss an episode.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Then Emergency Intercom is the podcast for you. Open your free IHeartRadio app. Search Emergency Intercom and listen now. Hey everyone. Welcome back to Bachelor. I'm Jo. And I'm Serena. And today we are going to be recapping the Woman Tell All, which is a very fun episode.

I'm excited about it. We have a lot of back and forth at the beginning. And then the end is very much the Rachel Joey show. Their relationship was very serious. she was the third woman to go home so that relationship's always a little more there's more depth to that relationship I feel like and then we are going to later in the week we're going to have we interview a bunch of the women at the tell all because we were watching it live which was so much fun and then we are going to have an interview with rachel so I'm looking forward to that

and talking to her and seeing just seeing what else we can learn about her and I'm sure she has a much bigger story. Yeah, we saw some of her conversation with Joey at the tell-all, but just getting more in-depth into her time on the show, as well as the breakup and what it was like seeing Joey again. So if you want to hear from some of the ladies like Maria and Jen and Joey himself, that first interviews for you, and then be sure to tune into the racial one as well. Great. All right. So let's get into it, shall we? Let's do it.

All right. So we are at the woman's hall. Jesse is on the stage. Well, first, first we see Joey and Jesse going to, like, sorority houses and they're talking to the fans. Yeah, they do like a little crash the watch parties tour, which honestly, you want to do is what you told me while we were watching it. Well, the first, like, sometimes when I see those, I'm like, oh, that seems like really stressful or overwhelming, which I'm sure it is. But, like, it's just also so fun. You know what I mean? Like, they're going to these big house parties. Everyone there is so excited. They're fans of the show.

They're drinking. They're having a good time. They're so happy to see Joey. Like, it just looks like good vibes, good energy. Yeah. They're riding around a party bus. Yeah, especially when you're like, you're so used to micing up and the cameras in front of you and you're having like. Serious conversations and you're on camera for so.

This is like, we're going to get miced up, but we're literally going to party. And it doesn't really matter what happens. Like, just go have fun. Yeah, like, he's going to walk into these rooms. Everyone's going to scream with excitement. Yeah. It's just a little bit more lighthearted and relaxing. And just probably feels really exciting and nice to engage with the people that have been supporting him all season.

Yeah. Well, maybe next year for the bachelor they or maybe for the bachelor at. this year they do it with alums and we could go because they did that one year oh really they did that one year i i remember they asked me to do it and i was uh on tour with uh dancing but they at but a bunch of like alum went to they did that and was it colton season it was for colton season okay yeah okay well that oh they like went and posted up at different watch parties that's so fun yeah they should do that it's kind of nice too because he just like pops in and out you know what mean like there's no pressure to like be there all night he's like i'm here let's have a drink let's

chat on to the next you know yeah okay so um so right away they talk about the date card and lea kind of gets well the other women don't like lea so it it already seems like there's which was you did see this on the show which was kind of like jess sydney lea but it did seem like they had more women on their side when they were on the show. Yeah. But now at the Women Tell All, it's really like all the women against those three. Yeah.

On the show, it seemed like it was the three of them, Jess, Leah, Sidney against Maria. Yeah. But the dynamic we're seeing right now is like a lot of the women plus Maria against Leah. Yeah. Which was interesting in a lot of the comments that were being made.

They were like Maria basically said to Leah like you threw that heart in the fire like you did it for us and out of the kindness of your heart for us because you didn't want us to feel like anxiety about our date getting stolen and you didn't want to like step on any of our toes but like it wasn't for us it was for you and all the girls were basically accusing her of it being a performance and it not being real and I feel like the term like Medina was like you call yourself a girl's girl but you're not basically is what she was insinuating yeah but all like also to back up lea with this you know

not like a lot of the girls that are like calling her out for like you claim to be a girl's girl are also not girls girls. The term girls girl has just gotten like so twisted I feel like and I feel like everyone has a different definition of what it means to be a girl's girl but it does sound like it was something that Leia was calling herself. That's true. So it's like when you put that on yourself and the other girls feel like not only are you like not living up to it,

you have like some twisted intentions like that's going to get thrown back in your face well when she did it when she did it immediately i was like that's like the way she presented it i was like it's so dumb because you're lying and the way she presented what the way she the way she went about burning the card okay because it was like i'm i'm a martyr i'm doing this for the sake of of the house yeah but in reality like everyone watching it knew like this that is the only play because if you take the card and you use it, you're stealing a date from somebody who the bachelor wants to go on a date with and you're stepping in and he may not want to go on with you. So that's just going to be bad overall.

Yeah. And I agree with you on that. But I was actually shocked when Jesse asked the women, like, who would have kept the card and like so many of them raised their hand. But also what was interesting is everyone that raised their hand was someone that went home early. Like Lexi, Maria, Jen. None of them are raising their hands. You know what I mean?

But I agree. I think throwing the card in the fire is the only thing. But Medina actually said to Leia, like, I feel like you owe me an apology. And Medina kind of gets into her journey on the show a little bit more later. But, you know, we did see that controversy with Lea and her where Leia basically pulls her aside and says, like, you're being a bad friend to Sydney. So I was glad that they kind of went head to head a little bit over that because it felt a little unfinished on the show. It didn't actually feel finished after the woman tell all either, but I'm just glad it was addressed. Yeah, I feel like Leah, like who she, what she was doing in her actions on the show may not necessarily be who she is.

And I don't think she's a good at confrontation or is a very confrontational person. And you think she got kind of like caught up in the environment and like what she felt like she should. be doing in this environment versus like who she actually is and how she yeah and i and i think she yeah and i think like it's kind of proved like she kind of they tore her apart basically she didn't really and like all she said was i'm i honestly was shocked i was like wow you were kind of a controversial person apparently in this house exactly she's like i don't want to get gaslit which i don't believe she even used that correctly but well i think she used it because like she was saying that Maria her in Sydney were claiming when Maria told her to shut the fuck up and Lauren was saying no that was me that said that which was honestly hilarious and I love Lauren so much and it makes sense that Lauren would say shut the fuck up yeah it definitely sounds like something she would say and I think Leah's point to being gaslit was like I know what happened and you're basically telling me it didn't happen yeah which and you're trying to make me feel like I'm either lying

or making it up or being crazy. But I think she really believes, I don't know what's true or not true. It doesn't even really matter at this point. But I think Maria believes to her core, I did not tell Leah to shut the fuck up. And I think Leah believes to her core that she did say that to her.

Yeah. Like I don't think either of them are necessarily like blatantly lying about something. I think they both believe their truth 100%. Yeah, I agree. I just think. And I think Lauren believes she said it. Yeah.

You know, like. Well, here's the thing. Shut the fuck up could have been said. multiple fucking times. Yeah, by multiple people. I here's here like it's obviously it's easy, you know, it's easy to be a Monday morning quarterback, but. What?

It's easier, you know, it's easier to say after, after we've watched it. But the truth is, Sydney and Leah and Jess should have, or not just really, but Sydney and Leah should have just not involved themselves at all with Medina. And if they had- Medina or Maria? Medina. And if they had a problem with Maria, then you have that argument. But because how they went about it, which was like claiming they were defending Medina and being involved with Medina who didn't really have beef with Maria, just made everything

a cluster fuck. And there was just no need for it. So like for future people going on the show, if you don't like someone, then just start your own beef with them. Don't jump onto somebody else's because when that person, you know, dies that fuse out, you're fucked. Yeah, I agree. I think that Medina was kind of the gateway for Sydney and Leah like into the drama and confrontation with Maria. Like Medina kind of gets into this in the interview that we had with her if you listen to it later this week. But she kind of explains that she felt like she was the pawn. Like they were using what Maria had said about her and her

age as an excuse to pick a fight with her. Which does seem true. Which seems true. Yeah. And it's like if you guys have your own problems with Maria, you know, have your problems with Maria. That's fine. But like don't use something with involving me to get to her, which we can actually

get into Medina now because that's kind of the next topic. She opens up about kind of the age comment. And she just says she felt really like stuck in the middle between Sydney and Maria, which is exactly what was happening. Yeah. Even in this tell-all. Like, she's sitting right in the middle of them. Yeah, that was really her storyline.

Like, that was it. Um, I don't know if she would have had a deeper connection with Joey. If that never happened, we'll never know. Uh, but yeah, that was, that was what her whole storyline was about on the show. Yeah. I feel like we saw her kind of speak. Talk about regretting, saying something. Oh, my God.

I know. Right. But I feel like she spoke up more on the tell-all. And also like when we spoke to her in the interview, then we saw the whole season. She kind of just felt like, yeah, she was like not really involved, but she was involved. And she made the age comment. And then her and Maria weren't good and they were good. Like I was glad to hear her kind of like speak up and defend herself at the tell-all. And then she kind of was like, screw you guys. I got stuck in the middle of this. Take the a setback and then we see Sydney basically says like I had the truest intent with confronting Maria and it was just to try to be a good friend to Medina and that was really all I was trying to do. And Maria says that Sydney or Sydney says like they have different forms of communication and that's their biggest issue. Like her and Maria just communicate very differently, which I do feel like is true. I do feel like they are different in terms of who they are as people in the way they communicate. And Maria says, we do.

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See? Listen to No Such Thing on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Yeah, I just, I don't know if Sydney was, like, I think, I think she at the time thought she was sticking up for a friend, which was Medina. But it was like, like, bad move. Like, you just met her. You don't know her. You guys probably aren't really that close. like I also think like when it comes down to it like yes I think maybe she thought she was sticking up for a friend in that moment but I also don't think she liked Maria and I don't think Maria really liked Sydney after everything started and I think there was a personal element to it for sure and then we see Jess and Maria go at it and Maria basically shuts Jess down pretty quickly yeah like multiple times but like it's kind of ironic because Jess was really just trying to get her point across

and explain her side of things and she was started off by saying I always felt like bulldozed by Maria and just interrupted by her and Maria interrupted her like four times in the course of like just trying to speak. I was like this is very ironic and we even called out just I know I interrupted you but yeah I just kept trying to basically say that Maria what did she what was she claiming Maria said to her she was claiming that she said to zip it and to shut up. And Maria's like, no, stop saying that. I didn't say that. Yes. And Jess is basically saying I'm not even trying to like fight you or come for you by saying you said these things. Like we're good. I'm just providing examples and context. Yeah. Maria said,

well, that context you're providing is false. Yeah. Which is kind of like the exact same argument that's happening with Sydney and with Leah. So like we're kind of just at a standstill. It's just like he said, she said. And it's just kind of like, well, I don't know. Like I, if you're lying, then I you know Maria's right if you're not lying then Maria's wrong but we don't know who's telling the truth and who isn't yeah so yeah and then we do see like Lexi kind of step in and she just says like I feel like you three share an opinion and you're kind of going against anyone that has a different opinion than you yeah which is interesting because Lexi does seem to be pretty level-headed we had her on the podcast now we're going to have her on twice

she does seem like she's pretty straightforward. Yeah, and pretty unbiased in the situation. I don't think she's like super close with, I think she's closer with Maria, but not super close with any of them. But I don't know. I know it's like literally so impossible at these reunions. But even if I don't agree with what someone is saying,

I want to hear them out. Like I want to hear their story. Do you know what I mean? Like I want to sit and hear Maria talk and I want to hear Jess talk. I want to hear Sydney and I want to hear Leia. Like, I want to hear what these people have to say because they're giving context and more information, even if that's like, you know, dripping with their own personal bias.

And then you have the people in the top row like constantly jumping in, which like, it's not that I don't want to hear what they have to say, but I'm just like, I feel like we never really got to the end of the Jess and Maria conversation. It was basically just, Jess, you're, this is bullshit and you're lying. Yeah. Well, I also, like, Jess could also have presented it, like, and she may not, like, it's like, you told me to shut up. You told me to zip it, which essentially had the same fucking thing. Yeah.

But like, it's like she could have been like, you know, the night of the cocktail party, when you were wearing this dress, I was wearing this dress. We were doing this. I looked at you and said, hey, Maria, and you looked at me and said, shut the fuck up. And that was rude. Like, provide more. If you're going to provide context and you want us to believe you, you need to provide more of what happened. And she was just kind of throwing it out there. Yeah.

But I mean, it's hard in those settings. Yeah, but well, you're at a woman tall all. Like, you got to, that's what you have to go prepare. Yeah. Like if you're going to go. Like Medina should have prepared. Yeah. Like, she really did.

If you're going to go at other other people on the show in a combative way, you have to, you have to be prepared for war. It's reality TV. Yeah. Like, I'm not a confrontational person. I honestly don't think I would ever be because I don't really get heated about a lot of stuff. But, like, there's no way I'm stepping up to the plate against Maria. You're kidding me? I'm going to be like, yeah, girl, whatever.

Like, I'm going to go get another drink. When we had our mental, I remember, like, I was just like, yeah, I'm not like, producers, like, how are you feeling? I'm like, I feel fine. I have nothing to say and I'm not really going to contribute because I was not on the show. And like, that's it. I'm not I'm not getting involved in the Colton Jordan drama of it because I had not I wasn't even fucking there yeah and I think that's that happens a lot we see a lot like a lot of the women that were like they it's just kind of like I don't know just whatever but it's entertaining so it's always entertaining honestly the beginning of this tell was really entertaining so then we go to we have Lexi gets the first hot seat yes pretty yeah it was I thought it was it was nice we really like her.

Yeah, it was pretty much just like a recount of why she made her decision. She felt really touched by Bachelor Nation's response to her story and the messages that she got were just really supportive. And then just that Joey has set the bar high for the next guy to come into her life. It was nice. It was good. And then Jen gets a hot seat who had a pretty close relationship with Joey. Yeah, she was quite emotional. Honestly, it is so hard.

Sitting in the hot seat, you're so anxious, or at least I was, and sitting there and watching like a four-minute montage of the best and worst moments of your time on the show in terms of your relationship with the lead. So, like, I don't blame her for being emotional. Like, it's very overwhelming. I got emotional when I was in the hot seat. You got emotional? I got a hot seat, too. From your five-second clip of you on the show? I've never done this show.

not have gotten a hot seat. I've always had a hot seat. Yeah. That's crazy, Joe. I'm so cool. I guess me too. We didn't have a reunion for our paradise now. We would have a lot. Yeah, we got engaged. And then Jen just kind of talks about her relationship with her mom and the growth that they've experienced and reconnecting with her family and talking with her brother about her dad. And she's still looking for love. And then we have, so then Maria gets a hot seat. Jesse, her a lightning rod like the you couldn't get away from the drama just followed you everywhere um and then maria in sydney talk while maria is in the hot seat um yeah she basically just says like i don't understand the problem that you had with me to sidney like i don't know what your problem is which is kind of fair

i don't think anyone really understands what her and i and i like the way sidney handled it and i thought the conversation went very um went very well and they were both nice to each other and then maria brought up about a lot of the hate that Sydney was getting. And I thought that was really nice. So overall, I thought that was nice too. Because I, yeah, I thought Sydney did a really good job of handling the interaction with Maria and was just like, you know, you did say these things. They were hurtful. I wasn't being annoying. And I could have been more resolution oriented. And yeah, I thought that their interaction out of everyone that had conflict with Maria, Sydney and Maria's interaction was the best one in terms of like addressing it and moving forward.

Yeah. Yeah. And I thought it was really nice that Maria condemned the hate that they were receiving specifically Sydney because it's just been way too much. Yeah. And I think like that's always like that shows like you being, you know, a grown up and yeah, it was nice. Overall, like it was great. What did you think about the little group hug? I was actually surprised to an extent only because, like, 30 minutes ago, Maria was like, Sydney, I tell the truth, and you're a liar.

And Leah, she was like, Leah, you're also a liar. And then they're all like, it's fine. Let's put it in the past. But at some point, you do have to just, just bury it. Yeah, you know what I mean? Because, like, what are you going to do? Because they're also saying, Maria, you are doing all these things. Yeah.

She's like, no, I'm not. So it's kind of like, yeah, whatever. it's over like we're really gonna just keep arguing about it like what's the point yeah i thought it was good like let's hug it out let's put it to bed yep so then we um okay so now we cut to the show um and we find out what the card that kelsey left and joey's hotel room is all about which i watch this what are you laughing at i just i'm laughing at what you're laughing at Yeah, you just kind of like you feel bad for Kelsey. It's just like the way it all played out is unexpected, I guess.

Yeah. Kelsey is the one that's been freaking out for like three days. She writes a note. You can tell she's like, you know, doing her best to like reassure Joey but also looking for reassurance. And Joey's eyes are filled with so much anger towards Kelsey. I was like, whoa, I was not expecting this. You just knew Kelsey thought that was going to go a different way.

And I almost feel like it might have, like, I almost feel like she may have had different intentions going into that. I think she might have, I think when she initially wrote it, it was maybe like, I'm considering, like, I don't know if I could handle this anymore. I think I think maybe and I think from the time of writing it to going back to her room to then rethinking the situation. I think she talked herself off the ledge and may have went in there with a different tune. And then it just kind of all just was like, oh, this is awkward. Really? I think maybe. I don't know.

To be honest, we will hopefully eventually have her on this podcast. We can ask her more about this card because it was a point of contention in the last two weeks. But I think she was like, had her conversation with Leslie, sent her into a spiral. she's like like when she was saying to him like you know I do want to meet your family I'm not sure if I like explicitly said that like I think she was like thinking of all the things that she hadn't said to him and was like oh my god like I wish I'd said this I wish I said this and she's like I'm going to use this time to like just tell him all these things to make sure he knows like where I'm at and how I feel so like I didn't leave anything off the table whereas Joey I think is like oh my god she's potentially going to send herself home and I think she starts talking thinking that it's going to be like a good conversation and he's going to be like how happy to be hearing these things from her and comforting her in her like anxiety and he was like how fucking dare you write me this car and sit your ass in front of me and tell me you want to meet my family you scared the crap out of me get out of my room joey was just the guy that just it just seemed like he's a person that like just like that moment like i didn't have my morning

coffee yet and you're bringing me a bunch of shit i don't fucking need right now like let me have my coffee and let me figure out my day and then bring me the mess that you've created in my office. Well, he explicitly said he was like, I want to hear her out. Like, I want to, like, have this conversation to be there for her. But I have worked myself up so much over what this card could mean and all the worst case scenarios of this card that I'm so, like, I feel like at some point he experienced relief about what the card was about but not in that moment in that moment he was just like how dare you write this card like this i have been in an absolute panic for the last three hours that you're going to send yourself home basically um but i mean we do ask joey about the card we

talk about it in the interview and when we eventually get a chance to talk to kelsey we will ask her about it as well right okay and then the the last part of the episode um like the main last part is Rachel comes out of the show. She gets a hot seat. Um, she's very emotional. Yeah, we see her get sent home at the row ceremony. Yeah. And, and you know, I feel for her. I actually think her and Joey, I know there's a lot of people out there like, uh, it's giving me friend vibes, but I'm assuming there's a lot of their relationship that we didn't see. Um, and I actually think, I said to you, but I actually think they're a good match. Yeah, you did say you're like,

I think that she is really good for him and vice versa. Like, I think they're a good fit for each other. Yeah, I do. I think they vibe well. They have good, like, complimentary qualities, it seems like. Yeah. And she was sad, and I think that's always, that's always rough, like, watching your breakup when it was a more serious one.

Yeah. And she did say, like, her tears were a mix of sad tears. and happy tears for like what they shared which i think is nice yeah and it's it's probably more difficult when like it's easier when the bachelor like fucks up and he's kind of a dick at the end he's selfish whatever he does it's it's easier to come off the show and be like you know what i dodged the bullet where like joey really was great the entire time so it's just kind of like it's just all it is is sad. And that's kind of what we see.

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media which is like it's I get it like we go on reality TV we have to expect that there's going to be good comments and bad comments that's part of the game totally and when you are Everyone gets them both.

Some people more than others, obviously, but everyone gets them both. Yeah, everyone gets them. And the truth is, but when you are somebody like, like Rachel, who was involved in zero drama. Yeah. She didn't do anything wrong. No, she's not a controversial character on this show. And people are going to come for her for the way she looks. Mm-hmm.

And her background, it's like those people are really shitty people. Oh, they're the worst. And it's like, it's actually to the point where it's. It's like somebody needs to tell those people to go fuck themselves. Because it truly is like you're just like like you're not like it's one thing. If you're a fan of the show and you want to talk shit, what I don't agree with it. But like whatever. That's that's reality TV.

It's another thing to just like really just like be a horrible person and a racist and racist and calling out somebody with the way they look and like it's like are you fucking serious? Yeah. No, it's crazy. It's insane. And I hate talking about it because I do feel like it just adds fuel to the fire. Yeah. But it's fucking ridiculous. Like it is. And those people are the same people that if they saw you on the street, they'll come up and ask, they'll come up and ask Rachel for a photo and still do that. And I'm not like, trust me, we have a lot of amazing, amazing people that watch this show and that are that are great and people that come up to still come up to us on the street and are very lovely. And honestly, I've been lucky enough and you've been lucky where we get a lot of just like wonderful comments and people say really nice things. So there's so many nice people. I still believe

majority of those majority are good. Yeah. And it's like you want to only highlight the people that are, you know, supporting Lexi and connecting with her story or like sending love to Joey or like, you know, rooting for people that are getting like bullied on the show. But like you don't want to give your time and energy and attention to these people that are like sending these horrific

messages because they're there and they've always kind of been there and it's hard to imagine that they're going to go anywhere as much as we would like them to but like at some point like you do also have to acknowledge them because it is a huge part of being part of this franchise do you know what I mean like it's like it's frustrating when it's like I don't even want to give these people any attention or the time of day or like a single breath but it's like it is a reality of being someone on this show, especially when you're a person of color. And look at like, and also like Rachel is, here's a girl who is involved in zero drama, right? The only thing she did that could aggravate people is like she got a little upset for

literally two seconds at Maria for calling out Joey right before the row ceremony, which most people would have been upset about. That's like the only thing. And not only that, she then gets her heartbroken opens up which she has not wanted to do in forever gets her heartbroken and then on top of it she has to go home

and then people are going to trash who she is as a person because they don't like the way she looks is fucking insanity like that's it's like why would I go on this like like yeah like it is it's hard because it's like people are not going to want to go on the show.

Yeah. I couldn't agree with you more. And the part that like really got me when she was talking was when she was saying it's so hard for my family because they really enjoyed like the experience of the hometown episode and they had such a like wonderful time watching it back. And then to go online and see what people are saying about their daughter just taints the entire experience. And like that is so true. like something that people don't think about all the time is like her parents have to see that her friends have to see that like when there's comments about you online like your parents see that and like that is it's not just hard on like her it's going to be hard on her whole family on her friends on her community and it's like those small comments are like a fucking hateful fucking racist

but just make so much more of an impact than people even realize and like the extent of the impact is not just on that one person. It's on like everyone that loves that person as well and looks like that person. Yeah. Yeah, it's ridiculous. Honestly, I mean, it's terrible. Yeah, no, it's, it's, it's actually just, it's just overall, it's just really shitty.

And I hope we could get to a place where, you know, that stops. I don't know if it's any time soon. But yeah, it's, it's sad to see. Because there are so many so many like great people part of bachelor nation um so yeah it it sucks but i feel for her and i

actually i can't wait to talk to her so yeah i think it was great that they gave her the floor to speak on that i think she did a great job and we're going to be speaking with her more in our interview with her later so we will pivot from rachel and her journey on the show to wrap up with the end which is joey kind of touched base with some of the other women as well Yeah, Joey just said, like, I love you all and like this was great. I like that he's like, yeah, there's a lot of things I don't see, so that's fun seeing. And I bet that would be because I'm assuming like there are a few women, especially at the beginning who he just was like, maybe like, probably like, oh, you're way different than I thought you were. Yeah, well, it's like as a contest on the show, watching it back, you get to see his interactions with all the other women one-on-one for the first time.

And it's the reverse for him, right? like he gets to see what's happening in the house. So it's like half of the show was like new to everyone that was there filming it. Yeah. Yeah. But I thought Sydney what she said was nice that, you know, he's really genuine. He reached out to her to check in on her. Yeah.

And it's like, and you feel, Sydney got a ton of hate too. And it's just like it's, it's different from the racial hate. Like the racial hate like, in my opinion, way worse. But like it's, it's Sydney also gets a lot of hate. And people do have to remember that like, yeah, people. do and say crazy things on reality TV and they do make mistakes because we're all

human and it's like you are only seeing a portion of who Sydney is and you may be seeing in a majority of that portion is her maybe making a mistake. Yeah. So it's like fucking let it go.

Everyone, it's not that serious. Let it go. If you want to say something mean, don't. But if you're just like fun shit talk about the show say it's your mom say it's your friend you don't need to message them you don't need to put it online you don't need to comment it um okay that wraps the episode uh stay tuned for later this week again like i said we have uh we are at the women tell all so we have uh those interviews coming up we have maria medina uh jen lexie joey yep and then uh and then the other interview

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