Bachelor Happy Hour - Safe Words with Serena Pitt

Episode Date: August 16, 2022

This week on “Bachelor Happy Hour,” Serena Pitt is back for an in-depth breakdown of the latest episode of “The Bachelorette.” They’re discussing it all, including Gabby and Nate’s emotional breakup, Tino’s behavior after not receiving the group date rose, and Logan’s mysterious departure. Plus, how do Becca and Serena feel about safe words?!  Then, for old times’ sake, Serena breaks down her favorite fashion moments from this season so far and reveals who she thinks is this season’s best-dressed man. Don’t forget to rate and subscribe so you never miss an episode. See omny.fm/listener for privacy information.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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So she was originally going to be our guest today, but unfortunately, my co-host, Michelle, isn't feeling all that well today. She's a little bit under the weather. So I'm excited to announce that. we are welcoming back Serena Pitt herself as my co-host and party guests today. So welcome back to Happy Hour, Serena. Hello, Becca. Thank you so much for that lovely intro. I'm so happy to be back here with you today and all of our amazing Bachelor Happy Hour listeners. So I'm ready to just get into it. Let's talk about the journey. Let's talk about Rachel and Gabby. I mean, I'm so excited. I'm so excited. And you know, of course, we

also at the end of this have to talk about the fashion moments because that was your whole thing when you co-hosted with me last season that I do I truly miss it. I had so much fun listening to you give recaps week by week of like the top fashion moments or fashion fails. So we made sure to include that this week for you too. But in the meantime and before we get into like the meat of the episode and this interview, I want to catch up with you because it's been a hot second since you've been on Happy Hour with me. So fill us all in. How have you been? I've been good. Life's good. It's busy. And Joe and I have our place in New York together. We're still popping back and forth to Toronto and Chicago and all over the place. So we cannot complain.

Everything has been very great. You guys have been crazy busy traveling all over the place. The last time we saw you, we were in Mexico together. We took, we were on like a little double date night in Mexico, getting caught up. And you guys actually had something super fun going on. And didn't a design team come in to your New York pad and totally outfitted and decorated and make it look spectacular? Yes. So when we were having dinner with you guys, we had a team back in our New York apartment, Alexander Gator and her team. They are an amazing design team from Toronto. They specialize in small rental spaces. This is not an ad. I'm like, pitching it as an ad. It's not. But she is amazing. Oh, she did such a great job. She did such a good

job. She basically just did all renter-friendly makeovers on our spaces, like our living room and a little bit of our kitchen. And we're so happy with it. We literally just threw all of Joe's furniture into this apartment, which he had great furniture. It was all really nice. But it just kind of fit the space a lot better. So we're enjoying it. We have been not here. Like I was gone for a month in Canada. And now we're back and forth. We're gone every weekend this month. So every time we come home, we're just so happy to be home and be able to enjoy the space. Well, and there's nothing like moving in with your partner. And obviously, like, you have stuff from your place before and your partner has stuff from their place before too. But there's nothing better than like combining everything

and picking out pieces that you both love together to make it your own. And I think that's like the special part of moving in with somebody. I mean, trust me, it can be a headache and it can be crazy town, which I am experiencing right now. I was going to say, Becca, you can relate to this. You can relate to this more than anyone. You're in your guest host right now. I am in the guest house right now. And I cannot. I mean, I've talked about the main house that's under construction on the podcast before. It's going to be like that for a couple months, unfortunately. But we're just having fun. Like, you know, we'll go shopping here and there. We'll be looking online and we'll be like, oh, we like that piece of art. Or we like this.

piece of furniture. And so we're slowly kind of putting this puzzle together. It's finding like your combined styles. Exactly. Exactly. And is Joe, well, I was going to say Joe is probably pretty easy, breezy, but he's probably the opposite. I feel like Joe is a man who knows what he likes and he sticks to that. Is it like hard to kind of convince him on other things for the space? We're both pretty good at like compromising. And thankfully, he does have really good taste. like he's actually into interior design and was into like the design of our space when we did the makeover.

But yeah, I would say I'm a little more easygoing. He's like, I want this. I like this. He's got a vision, you know? It's Joe's world. It's Joe's apartment. Oh, yeah. But he has the vision

and we're all just going with it. I'm so surprised I have to say when I... Because I'm hearing a lot. I'm hearing a lot of noise and I'm hearing my name a lot. I oh god Give him a hug when I know he can't hear me

But give him a hug When you see him next No I'm good But thank you Becca says hi I said a lot Miss him I am so shocked

That when you guys Gave like the full apartment reveal That there wasn't Some picture of George Clooney Somewhere throughout that space You know what that's such a good idea I should get him

Like a framed photo Just get him like a little Like a just a tiny one Like one for the bedside table next to like his rich snow globe. Yes, a bedside table or like even behind the toilet, like just sitting there as like, you know, like a statement piece when somebody has to go to the path. I don't know if people want to like go to the bathroom or look at George or maybe they do. I would.

He has a good face. He does. Wait, don't do that because I want to do this as like a white elephant Christmas gift for him. You know what? When we come visit you guys when the place is done, you should just put like photos of George Clooney all around. Oh, my gosh. You know, when you guys stay at our guest house, that's all it's going to be. You know how people will like Nicholas Cage, like an office or something? I will just George Clooney, the guest house. Okay, we could talk about George Clooney for far too long. It's Joe's favorite person in the world besides Serena. But you just mentioned you guys have been all over the place. You're gone every weekend. You just got back from a trip in Mexico. And tell us about that because it wasn't a trip that you like quite expected, correct? No, it wasn't. August is a very exciting month. We are somewhere different every weekend.

We were in Rhode Island the other weekend, visiting Jared and Ash's coffee shop. And then this weekend, we were invited by Nick and Natalie to be their plus ones on a trip. They had gotten a collaboration with this beautiful hotel in Cancun. And we were just kind of tagging along. And we get there, and there's an itiner in our room with a bunch of other names on it. Joe and I were like, did we just get ourselves into an influencer trip? I don't know what we're on. I don't know what we're doing, but it ended up being very fun.

You know, we got to hang out with some people and the hotel was beautiful. So, yeah, we were like, all right, this is the trip we're on now. This isn't what we expected, but we're going to make the best of it. Go with the flow. And it was great. We got to meet some new friends and enjoy the sun. And that's probably like the best trip you could go on thinking it was going to be one thing and then just showing up and being like, oh, well, we're here now, but we're just going to reap the rewards.

And everyone else has to work while we can relax. Exactly. We had, we were very lucky to be invited as plus ones. So we had literally no like work requirements in with the hotel at least. Like we had our own work. But we really got to enjoy it as a vacation, which was so nice. We did a lot of laying by the pool and drinking margaritas and all that good stuff in Mexico. That's all you need. Okay. I have to ask because our listeners would reme me if I didn't. But it's been a hot second since we've had you. on. Is there any wedding updates or plans that you can share with us? Oh my gosh, Becca. I'm sure you can relate to the fact that everyone's probably asking you this question too. Yes, far too often.

Yeah. But, okay, so I can just give a breakdown. So at the end of the months, the last weekend of the month, we are going to be having an engagement party in Toronto that my parents are throwing for us. It's just close family and friends. Joe and my parents actually haven't had the opportunity to meet yet. They were supposed to meet in the spring and something came up and they couldn't. So we're super excited to have them together in the same city. We're super excited to have like Joe's friends, my friends, all in one room. So once that's done, we will focus on wedding planning, but it's a lot of work. Like I just doing this engagement party because my parents have like, I've been included in a lot of the planning. It is so much more work than I anticipate is. So I can

understand now why people are like, oh, you plan on getting married next year? Girl. Like, you know, You should probably get on that. Get on it. Yes. No, I mean, I planned Thomas's 30th birthday party, which it was a freaking birthday party. And I was like, all out for that though. And like that was the max planning I can put out into the universe. Like even that was too much for me. And I'm not, I'm just on a planner. Like that's just not. You know, it was so much fun. But yeah, wedding. It's so funny because I'm sure like after you guys were announced as a couple engaged in Paradise last year, did you just have an onslaught? of wedding planners and bridal dress companies and all these you know wedding industry companies reach out to you oh yeah so many like so many people in my DMs asking to plan my wedding asking to be my wedding videographer which was amazing and so generous but we were not even close to thinking about when we were getting married when we got off the show last year it was just so fast and now that we're finished the engaged party I mean I did have a lot of help but for my wedding I'm like someone else plan, I'll just show up, you know, put me in a dress, walking down the aisle.

I'm just there for the marriage. Tell me when and where and, you know, like, how my hair is going to be and that's all I need to know. Exactly. Exactly. It's crazy. But like you said, things get booked up so fast that even now if you're planning, and I'm slowly realizing this, if you're planning the wedding for next year, weekends are already booked up at venues, planners already booked up. It's like, how are you supposed to get anything done if it's just like, and like, the pressure. Sure. I don't know about you, but like, if I'm pressured into doing something too much, I'm like, I don't want to do it. Don't talk to me about it. And I just keep pushing it off until it, like, bites me in the ass after, you know, a little bit. Yeah, that's going to be us, try to plan weddings and nothing's available. You know what? Just have Joe reach out to George Clooney. I'm sure he'll offer you his late Como home as the venue. You know what? We could just have a joint wedding. We'll just go. We'll combine it. We'll have a big party. Marry and Kenny can get it on it. Tia and Taylor can get it on it. Oh my God. Actually, I'll get married in one day.

Wait, there is a thing. Ben Higgins actually either officiated it or hosted it. And I think this was pre-COVID where it was kind of the same concept where all these couples would get married at the same time. And they would share this venue. It would be like this massive party at the end of it. Like, you know, they could invite their family and friends. But it was like this massive wedding and reception all in one. I should actually pick his brain on how it went.

because oh my gosh that's intense can you imagine though like the producers are like slowly like twiddling their fingers like who how can we make this big joint wedding work yeah they're like that's a great idea sirina yeah they're taking us their own now it's mine my idea um well no i'm so excited i unfortunately cannot make your engagement party i know it's okay got the invite and i'm so sorry i'll actually be i think back in minnesota at that point but i can't wait to see your photos it's going to be so much fun you'll be at the wedding yes Well, thank you. Well, I might be getting married apparently at the same time as you. So, who knows? Great. Back to bads. Oh, my gosh. No, I'm so excited for you and Joe. And I can't wait to see you both again. Yeah, it's just, it's going to be fun whenever we get together.

So, Serena, since I have you here today as my co-host, we got to get into episode six because I want to say like a lot went down. But like there were key moments. that stuck out like for you in this one episode what really like grabbed you or stuck out to you or surprised you? Oh, I mean, I think probably the most like emotionally charged moment of the episode was right at the top with Gabby breaking up with Nate. And you know what? I mean, she definitely seemed kind of emotional going into the date. Like even when her, Rachel and Jesse were having that talk like it seemed like stuff was going on in her head. But it was hard to know exactly what it was. and then they went on their date. But I was so shocked to see her essentially like sit him down and break up with him right away. I feel like typically what we see is like the date goes on and at the end of

the date they kind of come to that decision. But she went in knowing exactly what she had to do. Yeah. That was like from Gabby's standpoint, that tugged at my heartstrings. Like her reaction and the emotion in that moment really hit me. And I think it just shows like how hard she can love and feel things and I think sometimes it's easy for people or viewers to see her and be like oh she's so funny and like easygoing and you know but like there's so much more depth to her but going into what you just said like I was surprised that it happened that early on in the day but I think she I mean here's a thing she liked him but she knew she just wasn't ready to be a mom and like wasn't ready to to bring his daughter into this whole mix and so I would have probably been like

her where, you know, if I knew it and it just couldn't get there, I would have rather just, you know, cut the corridor early instead of just dragging it along. Oh, 100%. I think it was really respectful of her to send him home before hometowns, especially if she knew, like, bringing a child into it just makes everything more serious. And I mean, if she knew it probably wasn't going to be him, there's no need for them to take that step. But I'm curious because I do think that her not being ready to be mom was a big part of it. But I also felt, like, and I could be totally off here, that with her and Nate's relationship, like, he was so obsessed with her in such a cute way. But I don't know if I ever felt like she was on,

like, the same level that he was. But then the breakup, like, you could tell she was so emotional about it. So I don't know. I'd be curious to know, like, if he didn't have, like, if he wasn't already apparent, like, where their relationship maybe could have gone or if maybe, like, the feelings also just weren't there. Yeah. Well, so, see, I. I thought the opposite, if I'm being honest. Yeah. And I think it was just more apparent to me, especially during that breakup. And full disclosure, this is the second time I've technically seen that breakup because I actually was at mental. We filmed early last week. And so I saw that clip already. But there was so much going on, right? Like there's a ton of people around and a ton of

people in the audience watching. And so it's like hard to like, you know, really focus in. So now being able to rewatch it at home just on my own, to me, it seemed like she was way more into him than he was to her. And I think like... Really? And I could be off, but just like me kind of reading body language and like even like how he chose to like approach that conversation or like the things he was saying. I was like, I feel like he maybe feels a little sense of relief in a way. or like, you know, like this is okay. And I feel like it was much harder for her and she was much more invested than he was at that point.

And that's just my opinion. No, I like that take. I feel like I have to go back and watch it again then because I think I, through the season, had felt like she was like slightly less into him, but then maybe watching the breakup again. I do feel like she was extremely emotional and he kind of took it and was like, okay.

But at the same time, like, I feel like it's hard because all of these guys know that only one guy is not going to get broken up with unless you obviously send yourself home. So, like, you know, your breakup, like the odds of you getting broken up with are higher than the odds of you not getting broken up with. Right. But, I mean, what do you think about Gabby's fear of becoming a mom? Has she ever explicitly said if she really wants children or she doesn't want children or she's on the fence? You know, I was actually thinking about that when I was listening to her conversation last night. mean, I don't know if she's ever explicitly been like, I want children. I think, you know, if I'm being a critical watcher of this show and, you know, reading between the lines,

I would assume she does. And that's maybe where her fear is coming from because she does potentially want that, but she just doesn't quite know, like, how she will be in that role or how to get there truly. I think it's a valid fear. And I think, like, just knowing, you know, because I think you interviewed her with me last, last season, right on Clayton's podcast. And at that moment, like, she put in a lot of work in herself and through therapy and other outlets to, like, really work on herself, right? And find self-love and to be at a place where she's ready to be in a relationship and, you know, take those next steps. And so I feel like just knowing who she is as a person, she's willing to do the work to get there and to get what she wants. But, I mean, and

when she said she's not there yet, I totally get it. And this is a lot in itself. And you can probably attest to this. Like, this whole process is obviously sped up to try and find love, to try and find a life partner, right? Like, you're supposed to do it in two months and get engaged and be like, I want to spend all of my years with you, right? But to add on, it's not only one person now that you're, you know, like if she were to end up with it, it's not only one person that she's finding love with, but she is bringing this child into her life too. And she, I'm sure she still feels like she needs to take steps to get to that point, too, to not only be a partner to an adult, but to be a mom to this, like, younger human. And so she kept, and I think at one point or a couple

times, she was like apologizing for how she was feeling. And I was like, honey, you don't need to apologize. Like, this is just you. Well, I feel like to, like, in two months, like, they're leaving engaged with the understanding that they're going to keep exploring the relationship and getting to know each other and like building a life together outside the show takes a lot of work and energy and I think it's good of her to be realistic with herself of like you know that is another component to take on of not only stepping into the role of a fiancee to someone that you're still getting to know but a stepmother in a way or you know helping parent his daughter whatever role they kind of find within that but I think her overall general fear of being a mother is totally

especially with how much she shared about her own relationship with her mother. And at the end of the day, I think it just means that she really, when she has a child, if she has a child, if she chooses to have a child, she is going to love it and care so much. Because like that fear comes from a place of her wanting to be an amazing mom, which is a good thing. That's a good intention to have. Right. And I think, God, this is going to be such a bad analogy, but bear with me, okay? Okay, I'm ready.

I have been watching a lot of Grace Anatomy, you know? I know. It's been the show. for the past couple months, and I've been binging. How are you still watching this show? Because there's a thousand seasons. I'm only on season like 12, I think, but it's never ending. Yeah, that's true.

But like the main character, Meredith Gray, had a lot of issues growing up with her mom. She never received love or attention from her mom. And so for the longest time, she didn't think she was going to be a good mother because of that. But now I'm in season 12 and she has two children. sorry if I'm spilling this for anyone but she has two children at this point and she's a great mom she still wants to you know be a great friend

be a great surgeon but she's like learning she can do it all and because of actually her past and like what she the lack of love and emotion that she received from her own mother just makes her want to be that much better and not make the same mistakes which I feel like if that's something

Gabby wants could ultimately show Gabby like I'm not going to be who you know raised me and I'm not going to do the same you know take the same path that my mom did with my children so it's like she can make her own story which um I'm like again she's such a strong independent kind patient woman that I feel like she would do that I mean we're already seeing her do it in other relationships and I can only imagine she would do that in a relationship with a child but yeah and I feel like at the end of the day like her and Nate it just maybe wasn't the right

timing or it just wasn't meant to be but like we do see that she has so many strong connections with other people like it wasn't like Nate was like the only strong connection and it was like really only because she wasn't ready to be a mom like I do feel like she has a great group of guys with some really good connections so I think I'm optimistic we're still going to see her find love you got to there's going to have to be a couple heartbreaks but she's going to get there oh yeah we still have I mean this is only week six and every time I recap each episode with Michelle we're always like, it's going by so fast, it's going by so fast.

It is going by fast, but it's also only week six. Like, we still have, I think, a month of episodes left. Many more episodes, many more Gray's Anatomy analogies to come this season on Bachelor Happy Hour. Because, like, to me, it makes so much sense. It does. And anyone who has seen Greys, I think, can kind of, like, you know, find the similarities to the situations.

Two great shows that have been on our televisions forever. But let's get into the fact that hometowns are right around the corner. This was such a pivotal week. And I'm sure you kind of remember back in that season. God, that feels like forever ago. But when you were on mad season, like obviously you made it to hometowns. Do you, like, what do you remember most about your experience going into that week when you were on The Bachelor? Yeah.

I remember that week actually very clearly because I was the person. And on my season, I got the second one-on-one date. So I was the same as Nate who was sitting there and was like, okay, it's going to be so-and-so or it's going to be so-and-so because there were people who hadn't had one-on-ones yet and was shocked to get that second one-on-one. It was so happy, so excited, was like, I'm going to fall in love with this guy today. I can feel it. And it was, I remember getting the rose knowing I was going into hometowns and really just

feeling that energy switch of like, okay, this is getting serious. you know, all the girls that went into hometowns, you could tell, like, we had taken a step into another stage of this show, another stage of this journey. And getting families involved is both intense and it intensifies the relationship. But for me, I wasn't even worried about, like, oh my gosh, Matt meeting my family. I was so happy to be having them coming because families bring in a new perspective. They see things from kind of an outsider's point of view coming into this journey and like looking at you in the sky they don't know anything in advance and they know you better than anyone so honestly typically watching hometowns for me is like one of my least favorite

episodes but being in it it was probably the biggest week of the entire season for me as a contestant right what about you becca going to hometowns as the bachelorette what was that kind of like for you oh well it's so different going in as a contestant and kind of like what you were saying where you were just excited to see your family again. I was, I was so ready. I mean, it had been such a crazy experience up until that point. And that had been the longest I'd ever gone without talking to any family or friends. So I was just ready to do it. So pumped. When I was the lead, it was vastly different because I was going into four of the men's hometowns. And I was much more aware of like, you know, I need to make sure I'm,

I can find a family that I can fit into. And, and, I mean, I feel like I lucked out, though. All four families were incredible when I was in that week. And they were all so different, but so fun. And I feel like, and maybe this, maybe there's a difference between bachelets and bachelor leads. Like, I feel like when we watch a bachelor lead, the family's like really grill him a lot more. And I felt like for me, I didn't experience really any of that.

I feel like The Bachelors just have it harder these days in the sense that it's like you're being a player, you're dating for women, like they get such a bad rep. Like what are your intentions? Whereas like the BAPS rest is like you're a strong, powerful, confident women. They're such a double standard. They are, but it is such a double standard. It's like I feel for the Bachelors, but I feel like all these families are going to like, I hope they all love Rachel and Gabby. I mean, what's their not to love? I think that they will.

And, you know, I lucky enough was briefly met Ray. and Gabby in person last week at the tell-all and like being with them for 10 minutes I can only imagine like spending the night with a family like they're going to fall in love with these girls but but yeah there was like it was a pressure in a different way I wasn't really nervous I was going to go in and be like you know like I hope I just can meet these families for who they are and kind of see how they take in their sons and what they have to say about them but um the nerve-wracking part was like at the end when it was like my family coming for that last week to meet my last two guys that was the part that was so anxiety ridden it was

like the hardest part of my journey i would say was just like i remember just sitting with my mom and sister and crying for like two hours every day when they met these guys because i was like i like both these people and i don't know what to do and that was the hard part um but hometowns itself is so fun there's nothing better than me like yeah like this is me and i'm used to this and i feel Like, I'm in my comfort zone, and I can just kind of show it off to you. And it's just, it's a fun week. Yeah, it's kind of the guy's chance to take charge and, like, show them around. And it's going to be so fun to, like, actually go back.

Like, I love hometowns episodes are so much better when we really get to go to their hometowns, which we don't. I believe we are going to see that. So that's going to be really fun getting to, like, see them in their environment. I always find the guys and the girls when they're at home look and feel so much more comfortable than they have the entire season. when they're like with their people in their space yeah oh my gosh i can't wait and i like this is hometown's last year was the week we met grandpa john gabby's grandpa john and so i hope it was and so i hope that one of these guys has like a grandpa john ask person in their family said what's rachel's dad's name tony is it tony is it tony i feel like he had like a like a bold moment too oh yeah

because he like shook clayton's hand at the end do you remember that yes yeah and she well she was, I think, nervous to introduce Clayton. One thing I actually want to ask you, because we're in this week right before Homotones, did you notice a shift in the group that you were with, like the group of women? Because I felt like I remember feeling, it felt more tense being with the women that week of like, this is really make or break and this is super serious. And I felt like the tone was just different that week before. Did you feel like that with your women?

Yeah, definitely. It definitely just everyone got way more serious, way more intense, like emotions were high. I was lucky because I had the one-on-one and then Rachel was on the group date and she got a rose too. So we were roommates and we both had roses, which was nice because we were able to go into the rose ceremony, relax together. But I remember the day of that rose ceremony, even like the day before you could tell everyone was like on edge kind of it's it's make or break. If you're taking. that next step or not. I felt like this was the week where people were really picking apart others. This is going to sound bad, but they were kind of picking apart the other woman being like, she's not old enough, she's not mature enough. She said this three weeks ago. So that means she's not ready to introduce you to her family. And it was just like this so much of like this.

She said, she said in like, how can we solidify our place? You know what's so funny this season at least is I feel like you're so right. Like this week before hometowns is when everyone gets so. intense and I feel like we did see this on Clayton season, but not this season is like no one has kind of like tried to like sabotage anyone else. Like I feel like this is when people get into their own heads and maybe make some decisions that like aren't in their best interest or in the relationship's best interest. But all of these guys have seemed to have stayed like pretty chill, pretty calm. There's been no drama. No, like no guy on guy

drama at all. It was it happened early on with Chris and then you know, halfway through a little bit of go of Hayden. Come on, guys. Spice it up. Yeah, it's, like, there's, the main drama we've seen all season, and it's actually kind of refreshing is, like, situations of, like, stuff that the girls have to deal with with the men and not with the men themselves. Yeah, it's much more of, like, I don't even know if I want to call it drama,

because it's not like they're fighting or anything, but, like, emotionally charged moments with Rachel and Gabby. A lot of, like, ITM tears, a lot of interview crying, I feel we've seen. And a lot of just, you know, them needing that additional reassurance in comparison to probably leads we've seen in the past because there's two of them and they're facing a lot more rejection. I'm sure you guys have talked about this on the podcast, but what do you think of the two bachelors? Like, are you liking it? See, I am actually.

I like it more than I thought. At first, when they announced that there's going to be two bachelors, I was like, gosh, we're going to, you know, it's going to be like girl on girl fighting or like, Not even fighting with each other, but just like people picking favorites and kind of putting them against one another. I actually love it. And I actually looked at Michelle last week when we were at the tell all. And we both said the same thing. We're like, we wish we would have had a friend to do our seasons with to go through everything with, to be able to have that girl time and the girl chats throughout. And I think it's, you know, it's everything that's new was going to get mixed reviews. And people are going to have their separate opinions and criticisms about it. But I. I really enjoy watching them together. And I think because they are so close and so respectful of one another, it works really well. And you couldn't do it with everyone. Like, let's be honest, this season with two leads couldn't be the same if it wasn't these two.

What about you? No, I really like it. I do. And I feel like I would love to talk to Rachel and Gabby. I know you guys had them on the podcast and hear about if they felt like they were pitted against each other. But it doesn't seem like it from a viewer's perspective. Like, it really feels like they got to act as each other. support system. And I know there was all that controversy around like, team Rachel, team Gabby when

they like divided. But like, I think that was more just like the guys boosting each woman up. I don't think it was meant to be like they were competing against one another. And having been on the show and like having watched the show for years, like it's entertaining for me as a viewer to see a different format because it's so much harder to predict what's going to happen. And like we're seeing, you know, new challenges and new struggles that these women are facing. that are both, like, hurting them, but, like, also, like, strengthening their relationships and they're growing from it. And it's just made for a very interesting kind of unique dynamic this season that, like, I've really liked. I don't know if it would be, like, every single season.

Let's have two, three, four, about stress. But, like, definitely the season, I thought it was great. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And I don't think, like you said, I don't think it could be every season or, like, I think there needs to be, like, some sort of break. But I just think the variety of it is wonderful, too. And, I've said this before, but that's why people like watching Paradise is because there's multiple stories and multiple relationships that people can- And it's nice because it's like these guys have picked, like, I, you know, there's two girls, but like some of these guys are like, no, like I genuinely feel a connection with Rachel. Like, so you see that like mutual, like picking each other, which I think is really nice. Yeah. And another thing that I don't think anyone can really

know what it feels like unless you're a lead. But like, like, Like there are times where it's, it's a really scary thing being just like a sole lead and having all of the like attention on you because it's like I found myself questioning quite a bit. And I've asked past leads this too. Like did you really feel like these people were here for you because they like to you were they could see a future with you. They could actually like develop feelings for you or because that's all they had to focus on. Like and that's kind of why I like having two women is because these women have to go.

through each relationship and compartmentalize each relationship and their feelings for every man and the men at the top of this season had to do the same thing like they kind of really had to think about who's going to be the best fit for me who can I really develop strong feelings for who I could see like this relationship lasting and I think that it ultimately just like makes a relationship stronger because they're not just like zoned in on one person it's not just like that sole competition like eyes on the prize type thing yeah totally and like you it's not like you've just have like idealized this one person this whole time like this soul like it's like are you really falling in love with the person are you falling in love with like the idea

of like ending up with the bachelorette i want to ask is it like i'm just curious because i've obviously never been in the lead role does it get like lonely being the lead when it's just you so that's actually a good question i don't think anyone's ever asked me that before um lonely in the sense of i mean you're never alone right You always have, at least when I was Bachelorette, I had a team of three women always with me. We would travel together. I mean, and I got really close with them where, like, we would have summer parties every night because we just got so close. It's the hard part, though, is realizing, like, to some extent, this is still their job.

And even though we're friends and they genuinely care about me and the outcome of, like, my relationship here, it's still a show. And that's where when I say Gabby and Rachel, the fact that they can have each other on is so special and so important. And something I actually wish I had is because, like, you don't have your close family and friends. You don't have people who have known you for a while who know what makes you tick, who know, like, what you kind of need in a partner or what you need to give to somebody. And so I never felt lonely.

But at times I felt like, like maybe someone. one who could relate to you would be nice to have there. Someone who's also going through that. Right. And I don't want to say misunderstood because that's the wrong word. But yeah, somebody who can like feel like they're walking in my footsteps and like we're going along this together and like they can fully understand. Totally. Yeah.

Yeah. But I mean, and also too, you're like constantly filming. You're constantly on dates or talking to the men or in interviews or whatever it might be. And so it's like you don't really have time to like feel. A world. Like you're just going to go and go and then when you actually have time to be alone, you just pass out. You're like, thank God I'm going to sleep. Yeah, exactly. For the one hour I have. But yeah. Okay, let's get back into the actual episode though. Because there was a couple things. I mean, both women had just one one-on-one date and then they each had a group date. I want to get into the group dates. But then I also want to make sure we talk about Tino a bit on this episode because that was. a situation that really stood out to me that was interesting. But let's get, can we just talk about Gabby's one-on-one date? Or not one-on-one, Gabby's group date. What were your thoughts on this?

I wanted to hate it, but I loved it. I thought it was hysterical. Like, so I've been to Amsterdam. Like, I've been to, like, the Red Light District and all that. But, like, it was not something I was expecting to see on this show. Right. And the guys were. so flustered, so hilarious. I was dying. When they were doing the safe words, like they were cracking me up. So this part,

this is the one group date that Thomas was like out and about working on the house. He chose to walk in to me watching this episode in this moment where Gabby is whipping the men and they're coming up with these safe words and he's like, is this the Bachelorette? like, what are you watching?

She's like, Carol, she's allowed to whip them on this show. And I was like, we have a rebrand. Bachelor at the rebrand. ABC is pushing the boundaries on this one. I loved it. Can we please talk about these safe words, though, that these men came up with? Like, Spencer said Elbekerky. Logan said asbestos, which I was.

Asbestos was the best one, in my opinion. I was calculating because he's like, it's something you don't want in the bedroom. And I was like, it's true. Okay, it makes sense. If you had a safe word with. Joe, what would it be? I, okay, so there's, one of my favorite movies is sleeping with other people with Allison, Bree, and Jason Siddzicus, Sudecas, and there's, like, joking, safe word

in the movie for when, like, they're crossing, like, the friendship boundary is Mousetrap. And I love it. I think it's so much, and it's so violent, like, like, mouse trap, nothing sexy about a mouse trap. No, it's going to cut every, it's going to stop, stop, stop every. everything real quick. Yeah, whether you want it to or not. Like, game is over when you pull it the most trail. I was dying. Like, this whole date, like, I, I was like, I wish I was Gabby right now. This is going to, like, and I'm sure people will pick apart what I'm about to say on this

podcast, but, like, there's something so cathartic about going around and just, like, nicely whipping these men on the floor. Like, after the week, she, she's had. She, you know, bawled her eyes out the other day on a date. She's like, this is what I need right now. And I was like, a little dominatrix moment. I loved it for her. It was, I mean, I was entertained. People can talk shit about this date all they want, but weren't you not entertained? But you know what? Like, it was something different. It was something, like, I feel like, so Rachel had that date where they were like seduce her, like trying to get them to seduce her. Do you remember? And I was like, I feel like that was like a different kind of, but simple.

structure as to this date, but it just felt so awkward to me, whereas this date, at least, like, it was funny. Like, no one was going to take this seriously. The guys felt uncomfortable, but were, like, being funny about it. Gabby wasn't trying to, like, make it serious. Like, she was, it was just, and, like, it was something we've never seen on the show before, which I always enjoy. Yeah, it was fun-loving.

That's the thing. Like, at the end of the day, like, and I'm sure if any of the guys actually felt uncomfortable, they would have used their safe word, but. Exactly. And keep in mind, again, to. all of our listeners. If people don't actually want to partake in a group date or they feel uncomfortable, like they aren't forced into it. Like, they truly aren't. They can step out and say no. But I think also to the fact that it's like, you know, halfway through the season towards

the end and it's such a small group of guys who have now lived on a cruise ship together for 17 years, they probably are so comfortable with each other. Like, it's probably shit that they've talked about like off camera with each other too. And now it's just like, you know, more funny at home or more funny like with each other in the setting what was rachel's group date oh the cheese can we talk about that one too yes we can okay i just have to say i love cheese so i was living vicariously for this day i know you do i was like how was this not freaking date on my season they'd all be like holding if you were the bachelorette they'd be holding it and you'd be like eating the cheese i would just like put my mouth straight up to those cheese chunks um yeah it's just and this is why i love

when the show is able to travel internationally, because you get to see like different fun traditions from around the world. Like, the fact that people actually like hold these cheese wheels as a competition is hilarious to me. And Ethan was I, okay, I feel like we're just starting to see

a little more of Ethan now, which of course he goes home at the end of the episode. But like, he was kind of killing me this episode. Like, I thought he was so funny. I was like, I feel like he was way more of a personality than what we've seen. He did well on that date. Yeah, he was entertained. I was very proud of him for making it that far. I didn't think Avin was

going to drop out that fast. No, I know. Not to shame Avin in any way, but I had my money on him when that started. I actually want to know how heavy, like how many pounds of cheese are we talking that they were holding? Did they say? It was probably so heavy. Like, I can't even imagine. I couldn't use all my strength to pick up one of those wheels, I feel like. No, but I also would love to receive a cheese wheel as a gift one day for like a birthday or something so everyone listening oh thomas just walked in so he heard that okay good thomas get her a cheese wheel i mean i will say like both very funny interesting group dates especially for the week before hometowns i feel like usually they're like pretty chill like more so conversationalized dates before hometowns but i'm

not mad about it it made for good tv i feel like the one-on-ones well i mean nates obviously was short but Zach's one-on-one with Rachel was kind of that like walking through the tulip fields and the hot tub, very romantic, like lots of one-on-one quality time together, whereas the group dates were a lot more like activity-based and then we got to see some more serious combos at night. Just a highlight what you just said about Rachel's one-on-one with Zach. That was so beautiful. Like I'm adding that to the bucket list of biking through the tulips, going in a hot tub in this tulip farm. It was so beautiful. I get a little throw. back to the windmill moment from Hannah Brown's season. Oh, my God. I saw that. Do you catch that? All I saw was four times. That's what I'm thinking. I know, me too. It's iconic. It truly is. But yeah, that was a lovely date. Also, like, I really liked the fact that Zach was able to open up a bit more about, like, his past and a little bit about his mental health struggles and the fact that they were able to talk about therapy. I think just bonded them so much more. We had Zach on the

podcast a couple weeks ago, and I really, he's very. He's very. enjoyable he's very sweet so that was their relationship like I feel like their one-on-one was just like stable and steady like obviously you got a little more serious at night with him opening up and being vulnerable but I feel like their relationship like they had such a crazy intensive connection right out of the gate from that one-on-one and they've just kind of been like riding steady ever since oh yeah he I mean I said this when we had him on like he is I'm calling it now I don't know spoilers but like he's making it to top two for sure like he's he's like one of those guys which also then on the flip side, I feel like one of Rachel's other top contenders,

Tino, we see him spiraling a bit, I will say, this episode. And I want to pick your brain on how you felt about just Tino in general and how he handled this situation because I obviously have my thoughts and opinions, but it was interesting. I feel like the way he approached it and the things he chose to say about how he was processing the situation kind of rubbed me the wrong way. How did you feel about it all? I agree. Not to, Tina, if you're listening, not to laugh at this, but I totally laughed at this. I don't know if it was Ethan or Tyler, but someone was like, Tina's being a baby back bitch right now.

Oh, yeah. And I was like, okay, but I mean, a little bit, you know? Like, I get it. It is hard. And we said, you know, the week before hometowns is a really intense week. So the pressures are high. And I actually had a moment on my season where I didn't get the group date rose. And I had really opened up.

We had a really good connection. I was really needing that validation that week. And I struggled. Like, I struggled was not getting it. But the way Tino went about it of, like, kind of picking up his wine glass and walking out to take a moment. I was like, okay, you know, he needs a moment. That's okay. but then hearing the things he was saying about how, you know, I checked every box, I said all the right things.

I hope that was just poor verbiage on his part and he doesn't actually mean it in the way it came across because if he does, he does need to be reminded that like it's not about saying the right things. It's not about, you know, sharing something vulnerable and expecting a reward. A reward. Yeah, exactly. And it felt like he felt like he did X, Y, Z and he should get a rose to reward. that versus feeling upset and discouraged that like he really cares about this woman and is looking for some validation from yeah i think you said it best i think you nailed it i and i would agree i think it's it's not that like having strong feelings for somebody and being invested in this relationship and being upset that you you know feel kind of off

after a conversation happened is one thing like he and he is entitled to feel however he feels like that is valid. The part I think that I'm sure rubbed me and maybe other viewers a little bit off because you didn't say anything bad, but it's the fact that like you said, he he hit all the points. He won the cheese challenge and he opened up in a way that he felt like he hasn't been able to open up before that he deserved something. And it's like, but you also don't know these other conversations that these guys are having with Rachel. And she's not invalidating your relationship by not giving you this rose in this moment like if anything she's probably on the same page as tino and cares just as much about him but she also has

multiple relationships that she's working through and so it just i like part of me and we already know like because we see a little bit behind the scenes and like we see how what she is saying about him and like how she feels about him so we are privy to a bit more than he was in that moment but like we know she cares about him just as much we know she's like falling for this man but yeah I think the sense of entitlement and like because I did xyz I deserve more xyz whatever it's a feel it's like him feeling that he's more deserving than anyone else there because he was vulnerable and he was strong at the cheese challenge whereas it's like you don't know what these other conversations were you don't know how they went

And it doesn't necessarily mean that she doesn't have, you know, she could be madly in love with Tina at this point and still potentially give someone else to Rose that week because there are multiple connections there and they are developing differently. But he did start to talk about later, you know, after I think it was in the Rose ceremony, about how he was like, I'm starting to worry that like maybe she doesn't feel the same way. So I do feel like everything he was saying, I hope because I have liked him up until this point, and I still do like him. came from a place of insecurity and like discouragement versus a place of like have you just been really strategic this entire time and you're being you're feeling entitled to these roses

because you have in your head been strategic about what you've been saying so I think we'll see as it goes on. Yeah it's that part was very interesting to me and I feel like out of all of Rachel's men I didn't expect that from him.

Hopefully next week he kind of gets out of his head a little bit we'll see because I do feel like he is a top contender. I feel like he is like one of her. I think he also will be top too. And this isn't, I've said this before in the podcast. So I hope that he can kind of step out and see that she's going through this like very unique experience and can be more supportive and like actually in it for her and not for doing all the right things, saying all the right things. But let's get into, well, I don't even think we need to talk about the roast ceremony.

I mean, Rachel's got her four guys. we kind of just touched on that and then Gabby has wait wait we do have to talk about Logan who kind of just sailed off into the sunset with without a goodbye Logan I was I was shocked I mean it's one thing for Jesse to come and cancel the cocktail party because somebody has COVID that I understand but then I kept being like well did he just go home without saying goodbye like where's Logan out where is he like I would assume he's quarantining I mean, they would have to have immediately isolated him, I'm assuming. Yeah, no, I think it's like castaway where he is now on a lone island by himself

and we'll maybe see him raft back one day in the future. Who knows? Oh, my God. With his volleyball, I'm not sure. But, yeah, it's just, in my mind, I was like, wait, is he like, what if Gap? But then I was thinking, like, what if this was a guy that Gabby was super into that it's very apparent? Like, what if it was an Eric? Like, what would they have just, like, sent him off and he was done?

I can't imagine. Sorry. I know we had a good connection. I think with Logan, too, like the fact that he was with Rachel for selling and then went over to Gabby's side, like, I can imagine it would have been very difficult for Gabby to have a connection with Logan that was as her connection with her other guys because they've just had so much more time together. So like even if Logan didn't unfortunately get COVID, I don't know if he would have been making it to hometowns. I mean, I guess we'll never know, but that would be my prediction. Yeah, I can't imagine so just because of the lack of time. But also, too, if I was Gabby, I'd be like, oh, I only have to go to three hometowns and I can have an extra two days to sleep.

Cool. Sign me up. Thank you. That's where I would be. Let's get into your fashion picks of this season because we can't have you on here and not do that. So I have personally missed the fashion breakdowns. You were such a professional at critiquing everyone. So I want you to, I'm going to go in order. First off, can you give me a, your first of your first. favorite best rose ceremony look from Gabby this season? Okay. So this was a look that I feel like kind of went under the radar. Gabby's worn a lot of really like bold black navy like sequin gowns that were so striking on her. But this was a little bit different and same for her. She kind of combined a she wore a purple like a magenta dress, which we haven't seen her in a lot of color. She's definitely more of a neutral gal. And it had these

mesh sleeves, which I feel like might have been hard to see on camera. And they had like a little poofs at the end and a very like deep plunging neckline, which is so Gabby. She's worn so many dresses. She loves a deep neckline. And I just thought it was so fun. She had her hair in soft waves. It was a little bit of a different look for her. And I just thought it was really cute, really playful and super chic. Like the sleeves were gorgeous. I loved. We've seen so much like mesh share materials lately. And yeah, that would be 10-9-10 for you. I loved that dress. Okay, give me the best rose ceremony look for Rachel. Rachel. Okay. So Rachel is a big fan of like these asymmetrical neckline. She's worn a lot of them this season.

She's also a lot more into like color, print, like different textures of fabric than I would say Gabby is. They're both so chic-in-on-trent trend, but it is nice because they have very different styles and like lean in different directions. And she wore, I think it was literally last week, this asymmetrical neckline. with like a little bit of a mesh V, green. It was like a gown. Like, and it was so beautiful on her. It fit her so well. She's got like such beautiful curves.

So like it just, it fit her like a glove. And yeah, I was obsessed. I thought she looked so good. She actually, she had a week two black dress that had mesh in it too that I loved.

But I think the green was just, yeah, so nice with like her blonde hair. I loved it. Popped. Okay. Best date look for Gabby. Okay. Gabby's best date look. Oh, she wore, you guys know, I love neutrals and I love a matching set. And Gabby last week wore a long sleeve little crop top that matched a knit skirt all black and had this really beautiful detailing kind of on her rib cage area of mesh underneath. And then she paired it with these high black boots. I thought it was just such a chic look. So simple. High pony.

detail for her group date. And we've seen a lot of these like high black boots lately, but I loved how she paired it with this outfit because it was like more, I think it was like a knit ribbed material. So it just kind of like elevated it. I thought she looked so sexy in it. It was honestly, I'm obsessed. Like I want it so much. If I can find it, if I can find it where I does, I will go by that. Carrie Fetman, drop the deeds. Where did you get that outfit from? Seriously. Yeah, I'll ask, I mean, I'll, I'll, I'll text me after this to see. Thank you so much. Okay. The best date looked for Rachel. Rachel has worn two date looks that were kind of similar, and both of them, like, were amazing on her.

So the first group date that they had, the pageant one, she wore this, I don't know if it was real leather or faux leather, but like a leather-looking button-up dress, it had a cinched tie at the waist. It was in this, like, cream, beige color, and Rachel loves, like, a chunky heel. She's always wearing these, like, big, almost like, 70s vibe, chunky heels, and gold jewelry. And I don't know, like, it wasn't something that I was like, wow, when I saw her in it. But it's like stuck with me through the season. Like, it was like a very memorable chic look that she wore. And on her date with Avan, she wore something similar where it was like a long sleeve button up, like leather looking more of a brown dress. The cream one has to be the winner, though.

So good on her. Okay. And then is there any look from either Gabby or Rachel not giving the credit that it deserves? I mean, there's so many. I've had an amazing season. This has been some of my favorite fashion I've seen in a while on this show. I mean, everything has been so gorgeous. And I think it's really fun to watch because they're two bachelorettes with great style, but different style.

And I think it just really enhances, like, their individuality and their individual personalities. But I did see online when I was, like, looking through photos and stuff, trying to pick outfits for this. There was a little bit of criticism towards a dress that Rachel wore that I was like, I thought this was amazing on her, so I'm going to give it a shout out. Okay. It was a little black dress, and it was a huge, like, flower that was on one side. Another, like, asymmetrical look, and it was a tight little black body con. And I thought it was so fun.

I thought she looked great in it. Again, like, played into her asymmetrical kind of theme. And Gabby, that episode, I believe, were, like, a strapless, very tight, mini, metallic dress. So they just looked so good together. Like, I was like, these photos are amazing. And, yeah, that was a look that really stood out to me. It was just a very bold pattern. Okay.

Now, switching to the guys, it's more fun to talk about the women's fashion, but who out of this bunch of men is the best dressed guy from this season? This is a harder one, at least for me being a woman, I feel like I'm so drawn to the woman's fashion. And, I mean, Jesse Palmer obviously knocks out of the park every episode. Because he is professionally styled. Yeah, he has a little bit of an advantage. But you know what?

I was looking through photos, and Johnny actually has great fashion. He has played around with, like, turtlenecks and chains and, like, cool sneakers. He had, like, a really great jacket on his one-on-one date. He's definitely, he's rocking, like, some tapered, slim-fit, dress pants. Like, he's in, he's in with the fashion. He knows the trends, and I love to see it. I also, he just totally won me over on their one-on-one date. Oh, yeah.

We're obsessed with Johnny in this apartment I think he's so funny I'm a fan of Johnny and kind of like what you said I feel like the men's style is much more unassuming and maybe it's because we're women we don't pay attention as much but he's a guy that I feel like can rock really anything and like he ooze, even though he says we had him on the podcast

he's like I'm not that confident he oozes confidence and can just kind of like rock anything without being like too bold or over the top yes he's got a very like simple classic style but he always looks really cool and put together You know what's interesting? Actually, I feel like it used to be on The Bachelorette at Rose Ceremonies. You would always see the guys in a suit and like a buttoned up shirt and a tie.

And I feel like it's gotten more casual over the years. This season, we've seen people in literal white t-shirts or white long sleeves with their suit on top. And like a chain, like sneakers. Like the guys are really kind of, it's very fashion forward, but like definitely dressing down for these rose ceremonies more than we've seen in the past. Oh, yeah. I feel like even within recent seasons and maybe it's just sticking out more like I want to say starting with clarinetious season where the men cash it up more but they'll but they'll accessorize differently and more fun like they'll do brooches or like you said the necklaces or like earrings and something that we've never quite seen in the past yeah it's not you know what I feel like that's so reflective of just like fashion in general because I really do feel like post COVID fashion has been. become like more casual looks have become more trendy. Like we're seeing like sweatsuits and people wearing like cool joggers with

booties and heels and like everyone just wants to become comfy all the time now. Which I am all for that and I like it. I think it's like different. I think the show fashion is like very reflective of like the fashion industry. Oh, I agree. Also, now that you say that, I just have to say fuck jeans. I hate wearing jeans these days. COVID has ruined me.

All I want to wear are sweatpants. or something comfortable, never again jeans. I'm the same. I'm the same. But you always look so good. I always look like a slob kabab. That's like, I'm ready to, like, work out. I'm always like, ready to go to the gym, even though I don't go to the gym.

Okay, Serena, it has been so much fun having you here. You know the drill, though, with every person we have on. We obviously do the rose and thorn. So for just this week's episode, give me your rose and your thorn. Okay. So for this episode, my rose was learning about the tulip field in Amsterdam. The fact that it only blooms two weeks a year, I never would have known that existed. And it was just so gorgeous to see.

And just such a romantic date idea. Like, if those two are really, like, falling in love, it was so beautifully aesthetic to watch them, like, walking through this tulip field and being in the hot tub, I was very jealous of that date. And my thorn is going to have to be. be not getting to watch Logan sail away and a lifeboat off the cruise ship back to the United States. Well, who knows? Maybe he didn't make it back to the States. Maybe he made it to Mexico. We aren't sure. Maybe he did. Serena, it has been so much fun having you back with me. My mom is going to be thrilled because she absolutely loves you. Thank you for popping on. And, you know, I've said this before the last time you were with me, but you are welcome back anytime. Oh, thank you.

Thank you so much for having me. I miss being here with you and Chad. So it was so much fun to be back. And hopefully Michelle is feeling better next week. Yes. Bye. Thank you, Bachelor Happy Hour listeners. And a huge thank you to Serena. I always love having her here.

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