Bachelor Happy Hour - Sam M.'s Shot At Redemption!

Episode Date: July 1, 2025

Today on “Happy Hour,” we’re sitting down with Sam M. from Jenn's season and Season 10 of Bachelor in Paradise! Sam M. is making his first ever podcast appearance and he’s getting into everything “Bachelor” and more! We kick off the episode getting into his “Bachelorette” experience; he tells us what he thinks went wrong on Jenn’s season, his relationship with his close friends, and his experience as the villain of his season. We get all the tea on this closed chapter, including the last time Sam and Jenn spoke! Then, we dive into all things “Paradise”! Sam tells us how his decision came to be and he teases what we can expect to see this season! Tune in now to hear all this and more and be sure to subscribe so you never miss an episode!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly, and now I'm seriously suspicious. Wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, luckily, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend's been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone.

Hold up. Isn't that against school policy? That seems inappropriate. Maybe find out how it ends by listening to the OK Storytime Podcasts and the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. All right, West West, Prop here from Hood Politics with Prop Podcasts. You know I get down. You come from the urban areas. You understand politics more than you giving credit for it. Between Jerry out here, Mandarin all over the place, hop-out boys snatching up family members

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And I'm Serena. And we are here with Sam M from Jen Season. He was just announced on the cast of Paradise. Sam, welcome to the podcast. Hey, thanks for having me. I appreciate it. Of course, of course. Where are you located?

Located in Merrill's Inlet, South Carolina. It's probably 15 minutes south of Myrtle Beach. Okay. How far is that? We got married in Charleston. Okay. All right, so probably an hour and a half from Charleston. Yeah.

How hot is it over there right now? It's hot. We've had a lot of rain recently. Probably the last two weeks. I think we've had more rain than I've seen probably the last two years. So it's, uh, whenever the sun comes out, the humidity is way up. So it's, it's, you, we're feeling it over here. Nice.

Now, what do you, uh, what do you do for a living? So I'm a general contractor, mainly residential. So we're home builders out here. And, uh, yeah, market, market's good. We, we stay pretty busy doing that. Nice. Do you have like a busy season? Like, a summer busier for you guys?

Honestly, there's no such thing as a slow season with us. I think there's a lot of builders in our area and you just try and find the right one that you can get in with. And then whenever you do that, you're never slow. There's always something that needs to be done around here. Are there hurricanes by you? There are. They're not as bad.

Honestly, Charleston gets them worse than us by just the way that the state curves in. Usually Charleston catches the brunt of it. And then by the time it gets to us, it's just the backlash of it, which can be tough. But I think we're due for a pretty bad hurricane season this year. Do you, when it comes to building, do you have to, obviously you have to keep that in mind. Are they like, do you use like, I don't know, like special? What, what do you happen?

Joe has never built anything in his life. Like, he can't even like hang something on the walls. So I'm just like, what question are you going to ask? That is fucking bullshit. That is false information. I don't buy it. I don't buy it. No, there's a code.

So depending on what we're doing, If we're just doing handyman stuff, then there's no inspector or inspection required. But usually with the stuff that we do, there's a county inspector that comes out and make sure that everything is up to date. That way, we're not getting, you know, we're not getting in trouble. And they're not getting in trouble either. So it all works. All right. Let's, we'll pivot to, is this your, is this your first podcast?

First podcast, yeah. I appreciate it. I feel honored. Nice, nice. Okay, so we're going to pivot to The Bachelor, Bachelorette, you were on Jen season. We didn't get a chance to talk to you. So how did you make it on to that first season? Yeah, that was, it was kind of crazy, actually.

I think there was a moment after I had come home. It was late one night, and I saw something popped up on Instagram, and I saw it, and I thought, this would be kind of wild right here. And then I did it, and I honestly forgot all about it. And then it was probably a month later, somebody from casting. reached out to me and they said, hey, what do you think about doing an interview? And I thought it was a joke, actually. And a few months later, I ended up on the show and out in LA and here we are. Nice. Here we are. Okay. So you are, I mean, I think it's safe to say you were

kind of the villain of your season up until the very end. I think it's very safe to say that. Yeah. I think it's safe to say that. Yeah. We, yeah, we, yeah, we, yeah, we, we, recap the show. I feel like we try to be fair and call it how it is. I don't remember what we said about you. I don't think we went in too hard, but if we did, you know, I apologize.

I do feel like there is like people usually are never as bad as they may come across on reality TV. So when your name got mentioned for Paradise, I was like that totally makes sense.

Like he's going to get a redemption story. But I guess on Jen's season, what went wrong? I think a few things went wrong. And I think starting with Jen and I, that point, I was probably eight months out of a failed engagement. And you don't understand kind of the things. I don't think I process the situation. Probably the best way that I should have. I kind of just, I'm one of those guys that you get knocked down and you just get back up.

you keep going and you keep pushing. And I don't think I ever took the time to really process the pain that came with that. So whenever I got stuck into a position of feeling those same feelings that I had once felt before, I felt like I was constantly reminded of just the turmoil and everything that had happened so recently. And it really just allowed, or it didn't allow me to be vulnerable in the way that I wish I could have been in that moment. And even in a few other moments, I think I was looking for valid. I was looking for credibility. I wanted it to be something that I knew if I put my heart out there,

that she would pick it up. And ultimately, that's not the love that I actually believe in. You know, I believe in being completely vulnerable. And I think that's the most special thing about a relationship. So I think just being unable to see that in the moment and in that environment, as chaotic and as stressful as it is, yeah, I fell super short with her towards the end of it all. everything else i think i'm so i'm one of five i've got four siblings i've got two sisters two

brothers i'm the oldest the oldest boy and i think there's just a level of protection it's kind it's just kind of been instilled in me from the you know from the very start of life with me so i think out there it's not about making friends but also as you guys both know in that environment as crazy as it is and no outside communication with anybody you kind of at least for me, I had to make friends with somebody to be able to try and I think kind of decompress. It was a lot more stress than I had anticipated having a mic on the entire time and cameras in front of your face. You almost feel like you couldn't even breathe to a certain extent without somebody, you know, somebody looking right over your shoulder. So I think with all

of that, I made friends out there and it just so happened that the friends that I made were like with Aaron. That was a tough one. He, I think the way that he went about some things I didn't agree with, but that was also my first roommate. So I understood his heart and where he was at, and I knew that he was trying to do the good thing or do the right thing and just didn't have the, I just don't think the way that he went about of it, the way he went about it was necessarily correct.

And I just wanted him to know, like, hey, you know, I'm with you. I've got your back. And in the moment, you don't know what all that's going to look like and how it's all going to unfold on TV. And kind of the same thing with Thomas. I know that I looked like the ringleader in it all, but really Thomas had said something to me the following week, which was, hey, have my back.

And I think walking through the amount of life that I have that I've been in situations where people didn't have my back. So it's kind of one of those things that I do take over the top. When somebody says that to me, I want them to know, like, hey whatever this looks like whatever this might bring i've got you and ultimately that's kind of what stuck me you know in the situation that it did and it doesn't make it doesn't make every action that i made correct because it definitely was and i think my delivery can be a bit abrasive and it just comes really from a level of protection with with a lot of people and a lot of people

that i care about um and being able to see that back on tv was something that i could really take a step back from and think, okay, I need to change the change the delivery on on all of that right there. Yeah, I was going to ask, where do you think as a person and a future partner where you have grown since gen season? So I think

first and foremost, I've just allowed myself to process the pain from my past relationship with my ex-fiance. I think I was able to do just understand that sometimes that's just the way the life goes. And it's not fair and it's not right, but you've got to maneuver through that because I don't ever want to bleed on somebody

that didn't cut me. And that's an area that I felt like I had. And, you know, in my future after that right there was just not being able to process my, not even not being able to process my emotions, just being so afraid to talk about them and let people really get close to me and fear of being hurt.

and then understanding that like the love that I want is you know it it's not that and I can't play that safe card with everybody and one day somebody will pick up what I put down and whenever that time comes then whether I get my heart broke one time or a hundred times it all makes sense one day my boyfriend's professor is way too friendly and now I'm seriously suspicious oh wait a minute Sam maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit well Dakota it's back to school week on the okay story time podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now, he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone. Now hold up, isn't that against school policy? That sounds totally inappropriate.

Well, according to this person, this is her boyfriend's former professor and they're the same age. And it's even more likely that they're cheating. He insists there's nothing between them. I mean, do you believe him? Well, he's certainly trying to get this person to believe him because he now wants them both to Meets. So do we find out if this person's boyfriend really cheated with his professor or not? To hear the explosive finale, listen to the OK Storytime podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. All right, Wes West, Prop here from Hood Politics with Prop Podcasts. You already know our get-down.

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Listen to the Hood Politics with Prop Podcasts on the IHard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. My name is Ed. Everyone say, hello, Ed. Hello, Ed. I'm from a very rural background myself. My dad is a farmer and my mom is a cousin. So, like, it's not like...

What do you get when a true crime producer walks into a comedy club? I know it sounds like the start of a bad joke, but that really was my reality nine years ago. I just normally do straight stand-up, but this is a bit different. On stage stood a comedian with a story that no one expected to hear. On 22nd of July 2015, a 23-year-old man had killed his family. And then he came to my house.

So what do you get when a true crime producer walks into a comedy club? A new podcast called Wisecrack, where stand-up comedy and murder takes a stage available now listen to wisecrack on the iHeart radio app apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts i'm dr joy harden bradford and in session 421 of therapy for black girls i sit down with dr ophia and billy shaka to explore how our hair connects to our identity mental health and the ways we heal because i think hair is a complex language system right in terms of it can tell how old you are your marital status, where you're from, you're a spiritual belief. But I think with social media, there's like a hyper fixation and observation of our hair, right?

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And on the latest episode of Politics, House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries joins me for a candid conversation about the state of the Democratic Party. What do Republicans say to you privately that they won't say publicly? Many of them are in fear of their political. lives. And that's been part of the challenge. But we continue to say to them, you were elected to defend your constituents, to stand up for your constituents. And there's life after Congress. And you should be willing to actually want to be able to look back on your time in the House of Representatives knowing that you can keep your head held high because you did the right thing. Donald Trump is

gone in three and a half years. But their legacy or their failure to stand up to the extremism and the unprecedented assault on America as we know it will be with them forever. Make sure to listen to Spolitics on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Did you, I don't remember exactly, but did you tell Jen that you loved her or you were falling in love with her? Yes, I did. Do you think those feelings were real or do you think you were caught up in the moment? no i don't think i was caught up in the moment i think from everybody else's eyes um it definitely looks like that and i don't i don't try and argue with anybody about that i think our relationship

was a lot different than what anybody saw and um i do think the environment is definitely everything is very enhanced and i think it's a little bit of both but i think where i was at i was more in love with the fact of the way that she chose me. I think the way that she looked me was something that I always paid attention to, which is something that I've always longed for. And so I think a little bit of both. The feelings were definitely real in a very enhanced situation. And yeah, so probably a little bit of both. There had to have been some satisfaction with how everything played out in regards to your feud on camera with Devin and then his sort of post-season downfall. Yeah.

You know, everything comes with the call. You like that, eh? You like the way I worded that. What show are we at? What show are we watching? I feel like this is like a game of throne. It is in a way. You know, everything comes with the cost.

And even for me, I think not necessarily. I'm necessarily stooping down to his level. I don't think a lot of people got to see the way that why I reacted, the way that I did. But everything comes with a cost, and ultimately it's easy to see that, yeah, I could find satisfaction in it. But even though the Jen and I didn't end on great terms for her to have to go through that, like, I know what that's like. I know what it's like for somebody to say all those things. And then the moment gets there and they're gone. And it's not important.

And so I think that's another thing that validated my feelings towards her was that the satisfaction wasn't what everybody expected it to be from my end. It was really more, I think I had a little bit more compassion with it because I just felt so sorry for her because I remember myself in that moment, you know, in a moment very similar to that, just things not adding up. And that was, I just don't wish that upon anybody. And even like I said, even though we ended the way that we did, I think the truth always comes to always comes to light.

you can hide, hide it for as long as you want, but it always comes full swing. And unfortunately, it did. And it, you know, it hurt her as well. Have you, have you spoken to Jen since your season? I sent her a message after AFR and just told her like, hey, you know, I know that we didn't end on good terms. But, you know, I just feel really, you know, I feel awful for you. And I hate that you had to go through that and to go through that on live television.

and really just had no choice was there's a level of just helplessness out there and you could see it on her face. I think the whole world saw it and for me who does, you know, I did know her. That sucks.

I don't want to see that from anybody no matter what our situation might look like. I just don't wish that upon anybody. Did she respond? She did. She responded a few weeks later. Oh, she left you.

She left you read for a few. She went on vile files. I feel like in this world, there's nothing that I can really stay or do. Everything comes across is very disingenuous. And I think before she ever even responded to me, she went on vile files and I think tried to take a crack at me for it. And really, I just came from a place of, like, just sincerity.

I felt awful for it. But it's the way the things go. But she ended up responding. She just said, thank you. sorry I've been busy with all this which I'm sure there's a there's a level of truth there and I think there's also a level of like she probably saw my message like yeah I'm not responding to this guy right here so you know I get it I see it for what it is nice well I mean you got you definitely seem like you have a good head on your shoulders I know it's it's we all go on reality we all of us

have been on reality TV you know I didn't experience the level of hatred that I'm sure you did like you definitely in that but it's I mean, it's true. Like people, I don't, I don't think people realize the volume of people that are giving you hate all at once. And it's tens of thousands of people that I'm sure are sending you DMs that are all like, you know, and I'm sure you get some love. But a lot of them are mean and just like it's brutal. So then, you know, it would make, it would make anyone not want to go back, right? Yeah.

Why did you make the decision to come back on paradise? I think I owed it first and foremost to my to my family and my friends. I owed it to my community and also owed it to myself. It wasn't easy and it wasn't easy for me, but it really wasn't easy for my family either to listen to what I had to say whenever I first got back and then to watch it all unfold on TV. I'm sitting there like, holy shit.

I don't know what to do right. right now. Um, so I think to be able to, to be able to watch that, it definitely hurt. It hurt watching my mom, you know, lose sleep at night. My, my brother-in-law lose sleep overnight. We're the type of people that are very protective. Um, we all know who we are. We all know where we come from. I think just to watch it all get destroyed on TV was, it was super tough. Um, and you don't know what you don't know. And the filming aspect of it was a lot of fun. And that's what I think I felt bad for was that nobody else but me got to experience that. All they got to experience was the hate and the backlash on it. And my friends and my family, they went to war for me the

same way that I would do for them. And that's just kind of the way that we move out here. We'll fight first and then ask questions later. And it doesn't make it, it doesn't mean that everything I did was justifiable or anything like that. But in that moment, they did their best and they did everything they could to make sure that they knew that they were in my corner. So I think coming back to it all, I was definitely kind of betting on myself a little bit, and I still am. Everybody did not like the idea of me going back, and I really didn't even make a decision until three days before I flew back out to Costa Rica, just because of there's a level in

which that I can control only so much of the way that things will be portrayed out there. And I think putting my faith and trust into the hands of the same people that kind of twisted some things last season was something that I just, I had a tough, it was a tough time trying to swallow that pill right there. But I went back out there and bed on myself and I think I did a good job. I think I did, you know, I think I did not necessarily what I even accomplished to do. I just feel like this will be a time that America gets to see the person that I actually am and not what they think they know. What was your goal going into Paradise? Did you have like a plan or something you were like, I want to do this differently this time?

Or where's your head? My goal was to find that person. There were some people that I was really excited to, or that, you know, I was really excited to meet on Paradise. And I think that's where my head had to be at first. And then, you know, whatever happens from there, I can also control the, you know, control my emotions a little bit more. And in paradise, as you guys both know, it's a different, it's a different vibe out there. You're not chained down. You're not forced to be put in these environments.

And I think that's what was so difficult for me to first go around was that I couldn't remove myself from the situation, which is what I was so used to doing. if there's ever any conflict, I just wouldn't deal with it. And I can leave it all. And on the Bachelorette, they stick it right in front of your face. And you can only do so much out there. So with Paradise, also, too, you know, the person that you're in a relationship with, that's your sole priority. And as long as that she feels you the same way that you feel her,

then there's really nothing, there's really nothing to worry about. And so, yeah, I think first of the first of, foremost was meeting the people that I wanted to meet. And then second was remembering that my friends and family back home that didn't support me going back out here. I just wanted to make sure that I did my best to make things a little bit easier on them to, you know, this next go-round. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly and now I'm seriously suspicious. Oh, wait a minute, Sam, maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast. So we'll find out soon.

This person writes, my boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now, he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone. Now, hold up. Isn't that against school policy? That sounds totally inappropriate. Well, according to this person, this is her boyfriend's former professor, and they're the same age. And it's even more likely that they're cheating.

He insists there's nothing between them. I mean, do you believe him? Well, he's certainly trying to get this person to believe him because he now wants them both to meet. So, do we find out if this person's boyfriend, really cheated with his professor or not? To hear the explosive finale, listen to the OK Storytime podcast on the IHeart Radio app Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast.

All right, West West, Prop here from Hood Politics with Prop Podcasts. You already know our get-down. If you grew up in our urban areas of comfort of struggle, you understand politics much more than you giving credit for. Fans taking over American cities, government hop-out boys, hopping out the van, snatching up your Theo and them,

two wars that was supposed to be solved in 24 hours. Jerry just out here mandarin all over the place The Turfs And of course the Epstein of it all Well this week we decided to shoot our shot And boy did we pull up from the logo To see if we could get somebody to come tap in with us And the one and only Jamil Hill

Pulled up from this politics podcast To keep it a whole century The American public is used to being entertained We're a consumption society So what Trump figured out Is entertain them And they'll never question you Listen to the Hood Politics with Prop Podcasts on the IHard Radio app, Apple Podcasts,

or wherever you get your podcast. My name is Ed. Everyone say, hello, Ed. Hello, Ed. I'm from a very rural background myself. My dad is a farmer, and my mom is a cousin. So, like, it's not, like... What do you get when a true crime producer walks into a comedy club?

I know it sounds like the start of a bad joke, but that really was my reality nine years ago. I just normally do straight stand-up, but this is a bit different. on stage stood a comedian with a story that no one expected to hear Well, 22nd of July 2015, a 23-year-old man had killed his family and then he came to my house So what do you get when a true crime producer walks into a comedy club? A new podcast called Wisecrack Where stand-up comedy and murder takes center stage

available now Listen to Wisecrack on the IHeart Radio app Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts I'm Dr. Joy Hardin Bradford and in session 421 of Therapy for Black Girls I sit down with Dr. Athea and Billy Shaka to explore how our hair connects to our identity, mental health, and the ways we heal.

Because I think hair is a complex language system, right? In terms of it can tell how old you are, your marital status, where you're first, from your spiritual belief. But I think with social media, there's like a hyper fixation and observation of our hair, right?

That this is sometimes the first thing someone sees when we make a post or a reel is how our hair is styled. We talk about the important role hairstylists play in our community, the pressure to always look put together, and how breaking up with perfection can actually free us.

Plus, if you're someone who gets anxious about flying, don't miss session 418 with Dr. Angela Neal Barnett, where we dive into managing flight anxiety. Listen to Therapy for Black Girls on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. I'm Jamel Hill, host of the Sports and Politics Podcasts Politics. And on the latest episode of Politics, House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries joins me for a candid conversation about the state of the Democratic Party.

What do Republicans say to you privately that they won't say publicly? Many of them are in fear of their political lives, and that's been part of the challenge. But we continue to say to them, you were elected to defend your constituents to stand up for your constituents. And there's life after Congress. And you should be willing to actually want to be able to look back on your time in the House of Representatives knowing that you can keep your head held high because you did the right thing. Donald Trump is gone in three and a half years. But their legacy or their failure to stand up to the extremism and the unprecedented assault on America, as we know it, will be with them forever.

Make sure to listen to Spolitics on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Who was on your list of people that you were interested in meeting? Okay, so there was only one, and it was Allie Joe from Grant Season. Okay, interesting. Nice. After the season on The Bachelorette, I didn't reach out to anybody

because you don't know what people think about you. Some people can see reality TV and there's a lot of people that can't see pass and I think this guy's the world's biggest piece of shit. And I'm like,

if I saw what I saw on TV, I would agree with you. I understand it. But that's also not me. So she was somebody that we had spoke a little bit before Paradise. and she was just super sweet and stuff

and I figured that would be a great girl to go meet out there. Yeah, I could see it. I can see that. Really? I can't. Really? Yeah. No.

What do you see? I'm not, that's not what I would have. No, she's just like a, she seems like a feisty, New Jersey girl. Did you picture him with like a sweet southern bell? I mean, well, that just makes a little more sense to me because you're, you know, from South Carolina. Or you live in South Carolina.

more of a mellow tone to you and but you know opposite's a track you know yeah i do think i do think too people don't know me as well as they think they do um and honestly the feistyness was something that i liked i think i want somebody that can usually i stay pretty much in my place about 90% of the time but if i ever you know decide to wander off the beaten path and i i need somebody that can might you know smack me with the stick and say hey you know straighten up a little bit as well. So I think there's balance to a relationship. I want, you know, my, my partner to have her voice and understand that what she says is important, whether that's telling me to straighten up or, you know, hold her hand or whatever it is. Like, it's just kind of one of those

things. I wanted, I want the feistyness because that's, you know, also me to a, to an extent. Was there anyone in your family that was like, fuck it, go back on? Like, like, support it. like wanted you to give it another try? I think so in my immediate family, no. In my cousin, though, I ran into him, honestly, a few days before I was supposed to leave and I hadn't made up my mind yet. And I was telling him about it. And that's exactly what he said.

He's like, dude, fuck it, go. He's like, you've already learned this, you know, you've already learned the hard way one time. And if it happens again, you know, look at you now. He said, you know, that's what he said. he said you came out on you know it was definitely tough he said but you came out better um maybe not in the eyes of america but you as a man came out better and you can handle it and now if it happens again like you know what to expect and anything that you know if it's even better which i couldn't imagine going much worse i feel like i set the bar pretty low so like this time around it's kind

of one of those things he said you know what to expect if they do it so what and if they don't then it'll all be worth it yeah Yeah. And the good thing about Paradise is like the audience loves a redemption story. And rarely is it like someone has a really rough go on Bachelor and Bachelorette and then comes on Paradise and it goes worse. I can't think of the time that that's happened. Hopefully it's not. Hopefully you're not the first one. So look at like like like look at Nick Vial. Like there's someone who I think he he was, I didn't watch his season. Villain-esque. Villain. Yeah. On his season. Then he went to Paradise. Got a redemption story. they made on The Bachelor, and now he got a fucking bag for his podcast. Like, there you go. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it happens.

I do think that different energy this time around. I was super skeptical, even walking in, you know, whenever I walked into paradise, I expected for there to be people that embraced me. I expected some people to kind of hold me at an arm's lane because they didn't know what to expect. And then I expected the other, you know, the other group of people to be like, fuck this guy right here. this guy sucks and and i understand it i really do if i saw what everybody else saw i'm i agree with it i agree with it but that's so far from who i am um and then getting to paradise and everybody was just so warm and welcoming uh it it just felt different it made things just super easy to kind of move out there and uh i think it'll be good this time around nice yeah i think

that's that's that's a nice thing about going back on one of these shows is like everyone gets it right like there's a lot of people that they don't truly like they don't understand the filming process and the reality TV of it all so they see you kind of as one person and they they hate you but everyone here kind of knows like okay like you know he made he made some mistakes doesn't make them look good but like this guy really that bad like this guy is not like you called yourself the biggest piece of shit in the world is how you came across but like really not really like you know like it's not yeah like you weren't that bad you know like you know people keep saying i got a tough time i've got a tough time believing it um and maybe that's

just me because i hold myself to a pretty high standard uh living in a small town where i do your reputation is everything and having a big family if you don't know me you probably know one of my sisters if you don't know them you probably know one of my brothers my parents graduated in this area right here too so you know my last name there is a reputation that i like to keep and i think maybe that's why i just took it such i took it to heart so much watching it all back because i thought this is you know outside of embarrassing it wasn't even somebody that i didn't like it was somebody that i just absolutely hated on tv and it makes things a little bit difficult to try and uh you know to try and convince anybody otherwise but but yeah that's just that's

the nature of the beast. Yeah. If I remember correctly, your family was active on social media in defense of you during the season. Can we expect that this season as well? Or do we have new boundaries in place? What's the vibes at family dinner?

No, no, everything is, everything is, it's cool, calm, collected. I think I wouldn't want to put them through what, I think there's a level of responsibility that I had to take with it all and knowing that I did put them through some of that, even though that some of it was unwarranted, there is a level of accountability that I had to take

and watching my friends and my family go to war with everybody. But this time around, no, it's just not worth it. It's not worth the... Well, you'll never beat the Internet, right? You're just never going to beat. You're just outgunned, for sure. No, you never... Exactly. It's not worth it.

It's not worth it. Also, anybody that wants to believe everything they see on reality TV is probably somebody not really worth arguing with. And I think that's kind of the level that we all got to. And it doesn't mean that you don't take what they say and try and make yourself better. It just means you filter everything. But, but yeah. So this time around, there's going to be none of that.

Yeah. Yeah, I think your situation was also a little worse too because, you know, you were, you're one of the better looking guys on the season. you have a connection with Jen you're kind of like you're also going up against her other big connection but you're like you're kind of like episode one

a lot of people are looking at you as like this is going to be the hero this is going to be the star and then when it flips everyone's like it's like so much worse because you are kind of like a little bit on this pedestal and then it's like the fall from that it's like oh

It's a tough. It's a tough suck. It's how it goes. It's just how it goes, though. And I learned so much, honestly, about myself. I think in that environment right there, understanding that I can't fight 10,000 people, you know, in my DM saying this and that, you just have to learn to get over it. And you really have to solidify into who you are and remember to keep growing and keep pushing. But like I said, it's just filtering everything. If somebody had something to say that was mean, if there was a lesson in there that I could take

and apply to myself, then I would. And then the rest of it, I would just throw out the door. But people's opinions and projections, it's just not mine to carry. And that was the point that I had to get to and just saying, this isn't worth it. Take what you can from it, make yourself better. And then after that, you know?

Yeah. Yeah. How has the response been since the cast has been announced? and it's out there that you're going back on TV. Oh, no. He's shaking his head. You know, so I haven't looked at, I haven't looked at a whole lot. I don't get as involved in it as I think I did whenever I first got back

because I was so excited about it all. I think this time around, I'm more just letting the cards fall as they do. And really, nobody's going to know anything about me. And, you know, until July 7th. And whenever that happens, then we'll see what the response is like then. So for now, it's still a lot of hate, but it's probably 50-50 now because of, you know, what Devin did and blah, blah, blah. So it's, yeah, yeah. If, if, before, before we let you go, what is, what is one thing you're hoping the audience learns about Sam as a person after Paradise?

I think that I'm just kind. I think that's what I want people to see is that I'm very kind and much more soft-spoken than what anybody knows. Also, my emotional intelligence might be a little bit deeper than what everybody thinks as well. But I think ultimately it's just that I'm kind. That's what I want people to, I want people to remember the way that they felt whenever they talked to me or whenever they were around me, I think that's kind of what I aspire towards in life is that, you know, how do you want to be remembered? I want to be remembered as that guy that made somebody feel good, made somebody feel confident and the exact opposite of what they all saw a year ago. Can you give us one word that you think describes the season of paradise?

Messy. Okay. we like to hear that. Sam, really appreciate you taking the time out. I'm rooting for you. I hope this all goes well. Thank you so much. Yeah, I appreciate you guys.

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