Bachelor Happy Hour - Sarah On Being Comfortably Uncomfortable

Episode Date: January 25, 2022

This week on “Bachelor Happy Hour,” Sarah stops by to discuss everything we saw, plus a few things we didn’t see, during her fun-filled one-on-one date with Clayton.  In her conversation with Becca and Serena, Sarah shares exactly what went through her mind when she found out how she and Clayton would be spending their first date and how she managed to find comfortability with Clayton as they got uncomfortable together. Plus, she discusses how her adoption story helped to shape her into the woman she is today and reveals just how many dresses she tried on before landing on her night one sparkling stunner.  Then, in her Bachelor Fashion Breakdown, Serena reveals her favorite looks from this week’s episode. And, in a game of Bachelor Superlatives, Sarah shares her opinions of the other women in the mansion.  “Bachelor Happy Hour” has exclusive interviews every week. Watch “The Bachelor” on ABC and listen to “Bachelor Happy Hour” the next morning.  Don’t forget to rate and subscribe so you never miss an episode.  See omny.fm/listener for privacy information.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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And after a week-long break of the show, Clayton's season is back at it. And, Serena, do we have a lot to cover from last night's episode? we have so much to cover as pre-usual it was absolutely packed with drama and memorable moments as well as a very exciting appearance from my lovely co-host becka last night i was so happy to see you on my screen and i'm also really excited because we have sarah here today who was the recipient of last night's one-on-one date to chat all about the episode yeah it'll be fun to chat with her once again obviously i spent not enough time with her so it'll be good to bring her on, learn a bit more about her. And before that, like, let's just get into this recap because you mentioned a lot of drama and it felt like at points there was so much drama and it felt like at points there really wasn't that much. Like, I don't know if you recall, but that first group date really didn't have much drama

at all. It seemed like all of the women were getting along. It was nice. And when that happens, you always know in about 10 minutes and two commercial breaks later, shit's going to hit the fan oh yeah i mean i think we kind of saw the continuation of two weeks ago now so two weeks ago we had our episode number two cheney and cassidy were really bringing the drama and i mean it was no different in this episode i think all the drama was centered around cassidy in the beginning then we had a nice little chill happy lovely period drama

free and then back to cheney at the end of the episode it's like cheney is just the i don't even want to say the gift that keeps on giving, but I will say there were very comedic moments that she was giving us between the feud with her and Elizabeth and the shrimps by the pool and all of the things, which, you know, we should go in chronological order here. I tend to get ahead of myself, but I wanted to ask you this because, you know, we picked up from where we saw two weeks ago, which is the rose ceremony. That's when Clayton, it was brought to Clayton's attention that he, not he, that Cassidy had been kind of talking, facetiming, seeing this other guy back home. I was actually surprised, I will say this, that he sent her home prior to the rose

ceremony because just knowing how much goes into a night and knowing that you already have the opportunity to send however many women home at that proper row ceremony like that is the time to do it, that it would have been so much easier to just wait and take that rose back then and send her home, right? I mean, I guess so, but it would then make her wait the whole night to then stand at the road to be like, Cassie, can I actually have you step up and can I take your rose back from you? I mean, it would have been a really dramatic moment. Which would have been good TV. But I was impressed that he just said, you know what? The trust has been broken here. Let's end it. Cassidy went through. I mean, I think I saw her experience like 12 different emotions

in like a four minute span on the show. So she was really going through. it, but. But it was interesting, too, because when he pulled Cassidy aside, she, she seemed like she had no idea what he was talking about. She was like, I didn't expect you to bring this up or to be having this conversation. I was like, well, girlfriend, why did you think he pulled you away? You already knew that this was, this was being brought up and it was being circulated. Like, well, I was so confused about why she was confused. I was too, because she sat down and was like, I know exactly what you're going to say already, which made sense because Sierra had already pulled her aside and said, hey, you know, this was the combo that we had. I just want to let

you know. So I was like, yeah, of course, she actually does know what's going to take place between her and Clayton. And then she was like, this isn't what I thought you were going to say all. I don't know why I came in here so cocky. And I was like, well, then what did you think you was going to say? Truly, yeah, I think the word delusional comes to mind. I just think some of these women, and it's not just with Cassidy, it's with a few others, Shanae, they just seem to have this perception in their mind about Clayton's feelings and his connection with them and like situations that aren't fully there. It's bizarre to me. It's very interesting. Obviously, I mean, it was good that he had set Cassidy home. I think it raised the morale of

the other women in the house a bit. And I will say it was nice to see him really stand up for once and make that hard-hitting decision. I feel like, again, it would have been easier to send her home at the rose ceremony or to brush it aside. But this was, I think, one of the first times where he really was assertive and was like, this isn't right. Please leave. Besides the girl who went home night one, whatever her name was. Claire. Claire. Yeah. I agree because I typically think what would happen is that person would just stay the next week because it would be like, okay, well, they already have a rose. I mean, typically when you have a rose, you are guaranteed to move on to the next week and continue exploring that connection.

but I like that he was like, no, this isn't going to work out this week, next week, any week moving forward. I know you have a rose, but new information has been brought to my attention. I've changed my mind. You're going to go home now. And it just goes to show how crazy and quickly things can change. Not how crazy, but just how quickly things can change. You know, of course, Cassidy thought she was safe. She had that rose. She thought she was for sure going into the next week. And you just never know. And so you really have to say true to who you are and not live before coming down the show about

anything. And she's gone. Yeah. PSA, everything is on camera. You're miced all the time and they will play the footage back. So you can never sit there and say something didn't happen or wasn't said. If we

learned anything from Paradise, Serena it's that everything is always filmed. There's cameras everywhere. But there was some shocking send homes. There's actually a couple people that went home, like Kate. Kate, I was not expecting that. No, there was a couple of people I did not expect to go home. Same. Yeah. It was an interesting start to the week. We then see Clayton do a couple group dates and the one-on-one date, which we'll get into with Sarah, because of course, she was the lucky recipient of that date. And that was a really

fun one to host. You know what I thought, and I'll say this to Sarah when she comes on, when you were like, all right, take off all your clothes. Like, you're going to just be going in your skivies. I was This girl's wearing a spaghetti strapped dress. There's no way she's wearing a brainy. I met with Clayton a little bit before Sarah actually arrived just to kind of chat with him about just to check in and really see how he was doing. And I obviously didn't want to give anything away, but I could tell he was very nervous. And I was, and I felt so bad because I was like, don't be nervous.

You'll be fine. One of Wendy's are nerve-wracking. They just are. They really are. I think like Joe and I went on our first one-on-one and we were like basically committed to each other at that point. I was so nervous. Yeah. Well, I think with those one-on-ones, I mean, of course you know when you're on a group date, it's going to be wild and crazy and dramatic. But those one-on-ones, I feel like there's no middle ground. It's either something overly romantic and just lovely and beautiful and very intimate or you do something super wild and crazy where you're like, I would never do this on a first day. And I feel like we saw that contrast almost with. the two group dates this week because the first group date was my personal nightmare at the truth circle and then the second one was like super fun the lifeguard day where they were at the

beach and they were you know very bay watch as we how do you feel about these group circle dates I feel like we just shouldn't have them but I hate them I do too I have anxiety so bad watching them for these women it would be my personal worst nightmare to have to do that and I mean people were so killed facilitating it the women were so vulnerable and like I have so much respect for that but like when I see that dark room with the circle I'm I'm just I'm sweating with anxiety to each their own it seems like Clayton liked it it seems like it was very therapeutic for the women yeah I mean the saving grace was at least the day part was short and then because there's a component where I'm like I almost feel like I shouldn't be like watching and listening to these women's was personal stories but I mean there is power and vulnerability and them sharing those and hopefully there's audience members and women out there

that can connect with those stories but I will say I'm glad that it was like a short little snip and then there was a nice long evening portion where we got to watch a lot of the connections unfold and I loved that evening portion because there was no drama

that's I think it was one of the first dates I've seen that I can at least recall in a while that there was no drama it was Clayton focused on each and every one of those conversations and same with the girls it really wasn't until the second group date that we'll get into is like where we really start to see shit hitting the fan again um you know we'll he the next day goes on to his one-on-one with sarah we'll get into that um but let's finish with the last group date

and you know the the main uh woman of the show event the main event uh with cheney i i want to know just what are your thoughts on cheney because joe and i had very different like reactions to her on like just overall yeah just overall like do you love her do you hate her do you love to hate her

um no I mean I don't I wouldn't say I love her I think my problem with Sheenay and this is where I really struggle with watching her

is she seems I mean I wrote this in my notes the main descriptive word I have for her is manipulative but she has this tendency to lie to Clayton's face

like she will say something and she'll be like I had so much fun on the group date with you it was such a blast today but then she's talking mad shit in her ITMs and in all of her interviews where she's calling the female like all of the other women bitches which I have such a problem with to begin problem with to begin with but it's just it's like your stories don't add up and I don't understand why she thinks like none of this is going to be brought to light because you're saying something in all of your interviews talking shit saying you hate the day it was the worst date blah blah blah blah blah blah but the then you go to Clayton and say, I like you so much. I'm having so much fun. It's just nothing adds up with her. And it's just, it's a struggle for me to watch because I'm like, I want to reach the screen and be like, do you not understand again that everything is recorded? And this is all going to be aired very soon. And we're all going to see this like two sides that you have. It's like you flip the coin and you're like, how am I going to be right now? Well, and I think what Chenin needs to realize is the girls don't like her for valid reasons, Elizabeth specifically. And just because girls don't want to be your best friend doesn't mean they're bullying you just because they're not like

i want to be your best friend they like elizabeth can still be respectful and kind to cheney without being friends with her right so she's saying like they're bullying me and she keeps bringing back to like well elizabeth's ignoring me and i feel like elizabeth has already addressed you know how her ADHD impacts like her i don't know that term i think it's like auditory response but her ability to like focus on multiple conversations so she's bringing the entertainment and she's bringing the drama but it's all from a very negative place and I don't see her sticking around much longer definitely well or unfortunately she might stick around a lot longer just because they need some sort of drama right it seems like at this point all of the other women besides she

naked along it seems like a very happy household in that mansion with all the other women besides that one woman um yeah it's just it's tough for me to watch and it's just it's just I'm sure every viewer can attest to this. And I'm sure you can as well. It's just like watching and hearing all these different sides and then seeing it being pieced together. And we know Clayton only gets one side. It's very unfortunate. And like I do feel for him. I feel for Elizabeth. The other women that have to take part in this because they don't want to be dealing with it. It's just it's a lot. And I think again, like I don't want to rag on Chenet too much because I know she's going to get it from everyone else. I just wish she was. a little bit more respectful in the way that she uses to describe other women, in the way that she uses to describe situations and Elizabeth's ADHD. It's just, it's a lot in a, for a lot of different, what do I want to say? It's a lot of putting the other woman down to build herself up. Yeah. Like I think she, like, she made a comment in one of her ITMs like, what was it? It was like, oh, this is like strengthened my relationship with Clayton, like tearing down a lot of.

Elizabeth has like strengthened my relationship with Clayton and it's like if you need to tear down other women to build your connection with this guy there's probably just not a connection there yeah definitely there was one thing to going back to just like quotes and I put this in my notes because it was one thing that really stuck out and it was right after Sheney left her conversation with Clayton and then went into an interview and she said I was so good I was good I even cried and I was like see that's just it's it just seems like fake acting to me and that's really performative and manipulative, like you said. Yeah. So, I mean, it will all be brought to light, as the other women on that group date said, it'll all come to light very soon. And with that,

obviously, the episode was a to be continued. So we'll have to find out how everything goes down next week between Cheney and Elizabeth and the shrimps and with Clayton. But until then, we do have our guests on very soon, but I couldn't bring her on until I get your take on this week's fashion so give me your highlights any low lights who was your favorite who stood up for you okay so i think that my highlights this seat like i'm going to break it down rose ceremony day look cocktail party look and i really feel like the fashion was stronger in episode two in terms of day cocktail party looks but that also just could be because we saw a lot of women in red bathing suits and not as much of their outfits but for the rose ceremony i'm going to have to give it to our girl

Ence. She was rocking a beautiful lemon yellow dress, which if I remember correctly, I think like an illuminating yellow was on Pantone's color wheel for fall 2021 when they filmed this. So she's right on trend. It also kind of took it took me right back to like one of my favorite all-time movie looks, which is in How to Lose a Guy in 10 days. She comes out in that yellow dress. So I'm always just such a sucker for a yellow dress. She had the. the silver one strap. So it was just, it was beautiful. It was really elegant. Um, and then I also want to give a quick shout out to my girl Sierra because she had this sparkly body glitter on and her dress was like shimmery and then she had, I just love the body glitter. So that would be like

a great accessory add-on for me. And then for the day portion, there was really no huge standouts for my day portion, but I am going to give it to Eliza. She has had some amazing looks. I agree. she's stunning. I look at her outfits and write her name down every single week. But she wore a white sundress with a matching strappy white heel. So it was elevated but not too dressy because it was like a I think it was like a white linen like sun dress. So really, really cute. And then I'm going to top it off with my favorite date night look, which was Teddy. Now we didn't see a ton of like full gowns. We saw a lot a chenaise white dress and we saw a lot of Elizabeth but you know a lot of the other girls less time for sure but teddy had a black one strap very simple gown on she wears a lot of nudes

a lot of very simple style which is kind of in line with what i like but she her hair with that dress it was just i loved it i thought it was very classic look yeah i want to see more of teddy i feel like night one obviously the limo entrance she got that first impression rose and stood out and since then We haven't seen a ton, which at this point, it's probably a good thing because she's not part of the drama. But I also do, because I'm trying to be like you, Serena, and pay better attention to the fashion and less for, you know, usually I would just focus on the conversations. But I do also want to say, I feel like each week we mention Serene and just how studying she is. She's always pulled together so well, very classy, very elegant. But it was the Rose Ceremony Night at the very beginning.

She had this beautiful red dress. But what she does very well is she pairs her. accessories or her makeup with whatever she's wearing. So she had that bold red lip to match the dress, which you don't see a ton of red lip on the show, which probably is because everyone is making out. But I never, I never wore red. I never did. One time I did the red lip on a group date and I said never again because it was all over my face. And I was so yeah, she looked stunning. And then she, I think it was, she was on the first group date at the cocktail party. She had this beautiful, iridescent, like lilac. It was like, lavender. Yeah. And that was, I just love the iridescent. It wasn't like too glitzy in your face. It was still subdued, but just beautiful. I haven't seen, I would say, fabric or material quite like that on a dress before. It was stunning. So very like a kind of like a New Year's dress. Like I loved it. I was like I want that for a New Year's party. It was great. It was beautiful. So with that, Serena, it's always fun to pick your brain and get your tape because you're just so incredible at this. And I love how you pulled out the pantone colors. Damn. something I would have never known about. I love this. That's so much fun. But without further ado, ladies and gentlemen, I think it is time we bring on our guest of the hour. So please help me welcome Sarah to Happy Hour. Welcome to Bachelor Happy Hour. Sarah. It's so good to see you again. Yes, I know. How have you been since I last saw you? You know, just not like too busy.

Just did some things after I saw you. Just filmed a whole TV show. No. big deal. Yeah, you know, it was week two, nothing else happened. Well, it's good to see you fully clothed. I know. Yeah, you only got to see me fully clothes for like two segments. So this is good. We're very comfortable now. I was telling Becca when she told you guys to like jump into your undies, I was looking at what you were wearing and I was like, she's wearing a spaghetti strapped dress. There's no way there's like a sports friend of me or anything. No, there was one point where I was like, what if you're not wearing underwear? And I'm like, I hope they don't. play that fun. No, they did. And I'm so happy that they didn't because it was so, it was just

so like you. It was so perfect because, I mean, starting out, we already knew Clayton was a little bit nervous and he was just kind of like, oh, how's this going to go? And you were just like, yeah, I'm not wearing underwear, but like, let's say yes, let's go for it. You guys were great sports about it. Yeah, yeah. I mean, it was a challenge for sure. But looking back now, I can laugh about it. It's so good. I'm sorry I made you do that. People were less probably when they're running. So L.A. I know that's what everyone was saying. They're like you honestly look like you're a couple working out right now. Like no one's even like turning a second eye. Like they're like, all right. No, no. And you guys matched in like the little black. And it was, it was very cute.

Let's get into, before we get into the date and your great conversation that you had with Clayne that night. I want to go back to night one. Okay. Um, basically, I don't know if you've listened to Happy Hour but Serena every week does this fashion recap and you were actually one of her standouts night one and you're beautiful yes and you looked stunning that dress was gorgeous

and again you were one of the best dress one of our favorites of the night so how many different dresses did you try on before settling on that stunner literally one dress I saw that dress yeah I saw it it's a Sherry Hill so I saw it in her

fall preview and I was like oh my gosh like it at the time it wasn't available for purchase yet so I was like oh I'm not going to be able to get it and I was just looking around trying to find something and it was still just stuck in my mind so having like a background in pageantry I just called like all of these pageant dress owners that I knew and someone ended up having a sample of it so I bought it from them and I was like I just knew like that was the only thing that I felt like super confident in and for some reason you know like once you have that vision of like night one this is what i'm going to wear i just like couldn't match it so literally only that dress for the rest of the dresses i was a little bit more relaxed about but it was just that first dress i knew

that's what i wanted thank you i was like well that's the one dress i'm guaranteed i know i'm going to wear so i'm like we might as well just you know and you were you were the first one out of the limo so you truly did make a statement and i have to say i think you stood out in clayton's mind oh thank you yeah i mean it's stressful at the time because you know like i knew i was first getting out of my specific limo, but you don't know at that point if you were first to the last limo, you have no idea where you're at. So all I knew is I was the first one out of mine and I had all the three other girls in the back like, you got it. So I just like, I didn't really know what to do. So glad it worked out. I wasn't first out of the, I wasn't the first one of the limo,

but I was first out of my limo. And I actually have to say I was happy about that because I think if I had to sit in the limo and watch each girl go do their entrance. And I did like a little prop thing, I would have been way more nervous. Like, we pulled up and like, get me out of this thing because I just want to do my entrance. I was so nervous. Do my entrance and keep going. Right. Honestly, I was glad. I would have wanted the opposite because I wouldn't have wanted everyone's. I mean, obviously, a lot of people are already watching to begin with, but I wouldn't want all these women who are basically competing for this man's attention to be watching me. Also, I'm very awkward and I never know what to do with my hands or anything. So, yeah, I would have,

I would have wanted the reverse, but. Yeah. No. I hear you. I was wondering that. And then they told me after the fact that we couldn't hear anything that far away. Like we could just see you walking. Right. Like, okay, good. I agree. That would have been kind of weird if they could just like hear me talking to him. But you guys. You guys had such an eventful episode one. And it must be really crazy for you guys because I know that experiencing it and then watching back the highlight reel of all the drama is so different. Was there anything watching it back that you were like, I didn't know this happened or you're like, I remember that? And you have like behind the scenes info for us.

So, um, so when I was talking to Clayton, um, that's actually when the Claire stuff was going down. So I missed it completely. And, you know, we were back by the fireplace, like having conversations, smashing the printer. So like, things were allowed. We were really occupied. And then I come back into like the main living space of the mansion and everyone's like crowded around Claire. She's, you know, saying her stuff. And I was like, I think I missed them. thing because I don't know what anyone's talking about. So people had to kind of fill me in. But conveniently, I did miss that little thing with Claire. Were you a fan of the show? So did you kind of know what to expect with night one and as the

weeks progressed? I think I like thought I knew what to expect. I don't know. So like the reason I was introduced or was on the bachelor in the first place is one of my friends from home, Holly Julian, was actually on the show about like 10 years ago now and she met her husband on the show so she's you know told me about it what to expect but again that was like quite a while ago so I think even season by season things are so different um so I like didn't know for sure um you know everyone tells you that's probably the most like TV night of all so I was expecting it to you know be a little bit more like organized and strategized but it was actually a lot more common like intimate than I was like anticipating it to be because you know like you watch the show and it's this

picture perfect moment there's the music playing but in real life we're like just walking out and talking silent silent yes we forget that that part is not like the romanticized part is not actually happening in real life so I was trying like not to be awkward and I mean like you know they just kind of grab you and they're like you're going to go talk to him and I was like right now and they're like yeah walk over right now and go talk to him and I was like I'm not right It feels too simple. Like, it feels too simple. Like, I need a preparation or something.

That, okay, I want to ask you this. And this is something I'm surprised I have been asked another guest because, you know, especially night one, everyone for the most part, whether it's with the limo entrance or their first conversation with the lead, they have something planned, right? Like they have something cute, something to get to know each other, whatever it might be. Did you have many of those? Like, were you the type of person that's like going into the night? Like, okay, I need to have this.

I need to do this. please help me execute this or were you just more like fly by the seat of your pants wherever the conversation leads like let's just go there you did the mini racket room didn't you yeah i did i did night one yeah i would say i was kind of a mixture of both like in the beginning i did it more as like an icebreaker kind of thing um but then as as it progressed like it just kind of naturally happened when you looked out too because you had one of the first one-on-one dates it's not like you had to wait till week four or five to get that alone time with him So you guys could really start off on a solid foundation and build from there, which is, I mean, you really weren't the first one on one day, which is I was kind of nerve wrecking. You were in a good spot.

Yeah. No, honestly, I was really like happy to get the second one. Just because, you know, I was coming off of the first group date, which let me warm up a little bit. Luckily that, you know, went smoothly for me. So then getting that second one on one was just the perfect momentum to kind of keep it going. So yeah, I mean, in the back of my mind, I was hoping, like, oh, we had such a good first. group date that this will be the perfect time for a one-on-one. And like you said, it didn't give me too long, like too many weeks to sit and watch everyone else get one or like get in my head about it. So, you know, I was still kind of in that like naive phase of not really knowing what to expect. So I was just showing up versus later on when you, you know, are thinking more about it. So I think it was like a good timing for me. I had the same experience as you, Sarah, where I had the second week one-on-one too. And I can totally relate to that because I'm remember having like an amazing first night and first group date and then being like all right and

it is kind of a nice time because you've got that like small talk like do i even like this person's like initial first impression over with but i want to take it back for a second from your one-on-one date because you won the red flags challenge on the first group day which was very impressive i i really liked that activity did you guys have fun doing yes honestly that was one of the most fun days like I've ever had and especially on the show. It was so fun. I don't know how like going in, we were obviously really nervous. We just met. You're with eight other girls. We're answering these really like personal questions. We're stripping down and wearing all white. Like we know we're about to get messy. We know we're about to compete. But for some reason, we all were just laughing, having a good

time. Like I truly laughed just the entire time. Like I think at the end, once I won, he was like trying to kiss me and I was just laughing. hard. I was like, I'm just having fun out here. It was truly so much fun. You're like, when else are you going to do that as an adult? I'm never going to be in a messy obstacle course. So it was fine. It was really fun. And not only did you win the obstacle course. Also, we failed to mention you beat an Olympian in that race. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Which is incredible. But you also then were able to spend more time with Clayton and have, you know, I know you say you were laughing, but a little.

little bit of intimate time. And so obviously you had your first kiss with him. What was that connection? Like did sparks fly? What were you feeling after that? Yeah. I mean, it was, it was such a great moment because since that date, like since that group date was a little bit out of my comfort zone and being able to shine in that. Like I went into it thinking I'm not going to stand out. Like he's not really going to notice me. This isn't really like my time. And then when, you know, I ended up getting recognized and, you know, winning the date and, and, and, getting that extra time with him, it was the perfect moment to kind of show him that, you know, sometimes even if I'm not like the loudest voice in the room, I'm still like there and engaged and

present. And, you know, that was something I was able to tell him in our extra time. And I think he got to see. And I think he knew that about me. So the fact that he got to see me really like open up during the question and answer part with Seaway and then win the obstacle course against Marlena. I think he could really tell that I was putting myself out there and just putting an effort, which is what he always, you know, said that he is looking for. So yeah, it was a great moment. And again, like in the very beginning at that point, I've only really had one personal, like one-on-one conversation with him. So it was good to just have that little bit of time to talk to him. Well, I mean, it worked out in your favor because you ended up getting that

group date rose that night, too. Yeah, I know. That was, it was a cool, cool day. Did you expect that. I mean, no. I wanted it, of course. I was like, this would be just like the cherry on top for, you know, putting myself out there and, and having, you know, building our connection. But I don't think you ever, at least myself, like I never expected to be like recognized out of a group of that many women. So to be also amongst the group of like the eight women that were on that date to get the rose out of that was really special because we had some little girls on that date. And it seemed like for the most part, besides a select few, all of the women really truly got along and seemed to hit it off. Obviously, we see in that obstacle course date, we saw

Shanae literally push Elizabeth over to get ahead. What were your thoughts with all of that? I mean, I'm sure in the moment you didn't see that happen, but I'm sure you heard about it afterwards. And what was going through your head when you heard about all of that? Yeah, I mean, in the moment, we had no idea. And since after the obstacle course, you know, I was like spending my one-on-one time with him, I didn't even know until the night portion when they, when Elizabeth and Chenet had kind of confronted each other in front of the group. That's when it came out, at least to me. And I was just really confused because I, I don't think any of us were really aware that there was any sort of tension between Elizabeth and Cheney. So, you know, at the time,

I'm like, maybe Cheney's just, you know, a physical, like, competitor and just, you know, I got the best of her. But, yeah, I think I was just mainly confused because I hadn't, like, seen any conflict before that. So, it was weird. Well, speaking of Cheney and the drama, what were your thoughts on all of the drama then that took place? into the house. It wasn't just left on that group date, that cocktail party. Obviously, it transpired into the rose ceremony. And then what we saw last night after your one-on-one was her and Elizabeth still have some beef. I mean, I want to say it's more so her Elizabeth just kind of was confused. But what are your thoughts on all of that? You know, to be honest, I really stayed

removed from it. I had individual relationships with Elizabeth and Chenet. And, you know, you know, didn't have a problem with them personally. Like, I, I think it's, you know, right to, like, stand up for what it's right. And, you know, it's not okay for people to be calling out, you know, someone's mental health. I think that, like, definitely crossed a line. But in terms of, like, the drama between them, I think that it was genuinely based off of misunderstandings and just, like, two people that aren't meant to be best friends. And I think when you get a house full of 30 women, that have rather strong personalities. You know, we're not, you're going to click with who you click with, and there's going to be other people that maybe you don't get along with as much. And I think that it was just that combination that they just weren't compatible as friends. And it just, unfortunately, like, came out in the competition aspect of things. So, Sarah, what I want to know is because in last night's episode, then what we see is

Chenay takes it from saying, you know, Elizabeth to Elizabeth and all the other girls. and she uses the term bullying. Would you say that that was something that you witnessed in the house? Or would you say that that maybe was a bit of an exaggeration on Cheney's part? Yeah. I mean, from what I know, so also conveniently, when I was on my one-on-one, that was the day that all of this shrimp stuff happened. I love the damn shrimp.

Yeah, the freaking shrimp. Every time, like, we have like, I'm so mad you missed that. That's a controversial secret. Yes, literally trigger warning anytime he's a shrimp. But yeah, so I'm like, I, because I come back to the house after my one-on-one, and all I'm hearing is like, shrimp, shrimp, shrimp, and I'm like, I don't know what anyone's. I genuinely didn't know what anyone's talking about. And I'm like, when when I, how am I the only person in this house that doesn't know what's going on?

And I'm like, oh, it's because I was the only one gone. And 21 other girls were in the house together. So I don't know exactly what went down that day. but what I heard was, you know, someone was offered shrimp, someone denied the shrimp, but it was potentially rooted in underlying tensions. I don't know. But, yeah, I forgot. I mean, so much.

So much has happened just over a pan of shrimp. Garlic butter can do crazy things for a person. Hey, I get it. I take food very seriously, so I do understand. Right? It can get heated. I was like, I ate a salad on my day. I was in offered trim, so I would have taken the shrimp.

What is it with seafood on the show? Remember a few seasons ago? There's the, like the whole thing with scallops. Yeah. Now it's with shrimp. Next season, it's going to be with some damn lobster. Who knows? Stay away from the seafood, everybody.

Okay. Speaking of you were a very happy camper. I can only imagine when you heard your name on that date card. Did you think you were going to get that second one-on-one or what was going through your mind when your name was called? No, I really did not think it was going to be me at all. Like I said, I was like hopeful. I was like, okay, thinking like serendipitous, it would be the perfect timing for it since we were going off of that momentum.

But I'm like, that just seems a little too perfect. So there's no way that I'm going to get it. And, you know, I was close with a lot of girls or like a couple of the girls in the house that had really strong connections with him. So I was kind of under the impression that it was going to like someone else. I was pretty convinced that it was going to someone else that I was close with. So when my name was announced, I was waiting for like that second name to be called as if it was going to be the group date card. Like, you don't really know if it's going to be a one-on-one or a group date.

So, you know, they like said my name and then paused and then we're all waiting. And then, you know, we read the line. And I was like, I don't know if it shows my reaction, but I remember being like, let me see the card. Like I was like, yeah, like before I celebrated too hard, I was like, let me confirm that. that is just me. Yeah. So if you didn't think that it was you, if you had to guess that week, who did you think

that one and one was going to? I thought it was going to be Rachel. Rachel and I were really close. And so we had a conversation right before we got that card. And we were both kind of saying the same thing. Like, oh, I think it's going to be you. I think it's going to be you. So, yeah, we both kind of thought it was going to be each other.

But things were. I have to admit, when I was watching the episode back, you know, prepping for the podcast. I, like, I didn't even think it was the week that I was hosting your date. And so I was just, like, laying on the couch with Thomas. And all of a sudden, they called Yor and I'm on the date. And I was like, hitting Thomas. I was like, wait, come, watch it. But, oh, my gosh. And I was like, oh, my God, back is on my screen right now. Yes. I was so excited. I was so excited to meet you. I will say, like, just fresh out the gate, seeing you two together. Because we spent some time when the cameras weren't rolling in when they were maneuvering and getting

in place like just talking to you guys it i could tell the connection off the bat like it just seemed like you were both very comfortable and i know it was a very uncomfortable situation trust me i would not have asked anyone to just get naked and run around a city that's not too usually my m-o so i do apologize but you two seemed like the best fit and so when i sent you off i was like okay i think they're going to be good i think they'll make the most of it like she because i could tell just how stress and how much pressure he felt. And I was like, Sarah seems good. She seems lighthearted, fun. She really will make the most of that. So overall, besides the part where I was like stripped down to the skivies, how did you like the date? I mean, just like you said, it was good. I liked the idea that

it was also a surprise for him and he didn't know what we were getting into. Again, I like now looking back on it and what I discovered like throughout that date was he was feeling a lot of pressure and he was like kind of in his head. So I think like presenting him with those challenges too, like definitely pushed him to like a different, you know, side of him that I think he like hadn't really shown yet to us on the show. So, you know, I think we hit one point where we had to write a song about each other and then sing it like across the amphitheater with mics and they were working. I was like, I'm going to test it. See if it's actually on and it was on. Oh, it was on.

Yeah, it was on. Yeah, there were like people watching like cameras out and I'm like just so overwhelmed. And I like I hit a point where I like kind of got like a little bit upset because I was in my head and I was just like I was so scared that he wasn't having a good time and that you know, he's balancing so many relationships that his memory and like his first memory with me was going to be like uncomfortable and just not having fun. And, of course, you know, like, I hear him, like, he just came back from this amazing date where, like, he's on a yacht and a helicopter. And, like, now he's, like, really insecure and, like, running around in his underwear with me. So I'm like, I kind of got upset in my head because I'm like, I could, like, I could be, you know, like, it's a one on one. You're not guaranteed to come back. So I'm like, if he doesn't have a good time today, like, I might go home. Like, you might just be like, this isn't for me. And, you know, I didn't want to want it to be because of, like, the activities. that we were doing that's um that's really interesting that's actually a very interesting point because yeah the date really does contribute to your first memories together especially the one-on-one when you have an early one right exactly so that's a very like valid thing to feel of like this date is pushing us out of our comfort zone and is he now going to associate being uncomfortable with

our first memory together exactly and i know clayton has mentioned that he is kind of like a bit of a control freak and a scavenger hunt like that is really going to kind of push you out of your comfort zone. How did you feel on the date? Like is that kind of like, are you like a go with the flow person, like very adventurous? Or are you also someone who is a little bit more like, ah, I'm being really pushed out of my comfort zone. And I kind of like to have that control. So I'm, I'm really spontaneous. I'm very good with the flow. So I, you know, I think I embrace it. And I was honestly fine with it. Like I thought it was cool to get in the underwear. And, and, you know, we were like, breaking open these pinatas and answering questions, writing the song, whatever.

Like, I love that activity of that. So I really tried to embrace it and, like, push him to have a good time. Because, like, you said, like, he is, you know, likes to be a little bit more in control. So I was fine with the activities. I think it just, like, it hit me that I felt like he wasn't having a good time. The pressure. Yeah, the pressure of it. And then it was also, like, the comparison to, like, okay, he's had all these, like,

picture perfect memories with everyone up until this point and now like this is going to be like his first bad memory or you know like first uncomfortable memory on the show and it's with me like you know I didn't I just didn't want it to get in the way but you know the good news was that once we finished the scavenger hunt even like part of the way through we like I think that moment where I got upset and he kind of came up to me and was like we can stop this right now like we don't have to continue doing this like I'm uncomfortable too I don't want this to be like it's not about you. I'm trying my best. We can stop right now. And, you know, we kind of had just like a little, like, come to Jesus moment where we're like, okay, we're both struggling. We're both like embarrassed

and uncomfortable and nervous that the other person isn't having fun. So like, let's get that out in the air. And then we, you know, finish the rest of the scavenger hunt. And then once we got to sit and talk, I think like it definitely provoked a conversation that we wouldn't have had otherwise. So it ended up being good. It was a good, you know, it brought out like a different science. of our relationship. And I think a different type of date would have. So I'm great for it. And I was grateful for it in the moment once we finished. But in the moment, it was definitely very, very trying. I don't know. So I had a whole script that a lot of it was not included. But part of it was, you know, because I know, I've been in your position as, you know, one of many women. And then I've also

been in Clayton's position where I've had so many, so many crazy random dates. And part of what I was trying to portray to you guys and really wanting you to feel on that date was a lot of times when there was a date I wasn't necessarily comfortable with her where I was really pushed outside of my comfort zone and what I was used to. I felt like, you know, if the guy was great, it really bonded us in a way that we probably wouldn't have gotten to that early on. So I hope that's what you both felt. Do you feel like then leaving that scavenger hunt and being able to sit like overall, you know, the awkwardness and the uncomfortable aside that it pushed you guys to form a stronger bond earlier on. Yeah, definitely. I feel like it was one of those like relationship tests,

like make it or break it kind of moment. Like you say, like it either makes you that much stronger or, you know, the opposite. And so luckily I think that it just made us like that much stronger. And again, I think it was also overwhelming because I wasn't prepared to like face those kind of challenges and like have those kind of conversations with him. So, early on because I didn't want to be like overbearing and be like, oh my gosh, we're just going straight into this. But, you know, it's a short process. So I'm thankful that we were able to get there quicker. I think it definitely like escalated a relationship forward a bit. But yeah, I think it made us like that much stronger and especially going into the night.

I was just so much more relaxed. And I felt like we were actually, we actually knew each other. So we had, you know, kind of officially gotten over that like get to know you phase. Now we were just comfortable like could say anything could do anything that's what we always joked we were like um you know there was like you know obviously more uncomfortable situations that followed and every time we're like oh this is nothing like we've ran around downtown LA in our underwear and like sang a song about each other when we just met like a in a microphone so like this is nothing what was the most uncomfortable was it getting down to the underwear or was it having to sing like what was the part where you were like oh shit I really don't want to do this yeah I mean the

underwear wasn't a problem i was like it's like a bathing suit it's fine but you know might as well see what we're working with but then i think it was more of the um the questions were fine i think it was truly like the singing and the more like the one-on-one stuff of like okay now profess your feelings for each other and i'm like no i was just like i'm so bad at too like verbally expressing like relationship emotions like romantic emotions i'm really bad at like verbalizing that. So that also show me that's something I need to work on. Well, there's, there's two things that I really love. I just want to highlight from what you've said in your day portion is one. It sounds like you guys have the opportunity to really balance each other out.

If he's kind of more like a control person and you're a go with the flow, like as that relationship grows, like you can really take on that role of being like, it's okay. Like let's be spontaneous. And I think that that's a really nice balance. And I also love that he communicated with you and checked in on you and said, like, hey, if you're uncomfortable, I'm never going to make you do anything. Yeah. Because I feel like that really creates a sense of safety and a relationship. It like, he's showing that he's communicating. He's checking on you and he's saying, like, I will never make you do anything that makes you

so uncomfortable that you don't want to do it. Like, I will never force you into this. So did that kind of help? Because we really saw you open up and be vulnerable in the night portion of your day. Do you think that day portion is really what allowed you to share your story in the night portion. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, just like you said, I felt very like seen and understood and even just, you know, I hadn't said anything to him, but he could just tell that I was kind of like starting to get upset. So the fact that he did and that he took a moment to say, okay, scratch the cameras,

the mics, whatever. Like, if you don't want to do this, like we're not doing it. Um, you know, and it felt like he was actually like paying attention to me and paying attention to our relationship and not just like this TV date, you know. Um, so I felt very like, Yeah, very safe and very taken care of. And I felt like I could truly, like, say anything to him and he would understand. And like you said, yeah, too, after that, I think I shared with him, like, in the following weeks that hit me that I was like, we actually balance each other well. Because I feel like you always question like, oh, do I want to be with someone who's like very similar to me or very different than me? And I think we figured out that we had that good balance as far as, you know, like wanting to be more control or be spontaneous.

So I think that it definitely benefited to figure that out early on. definitely and to play off of what serena was just saying too i mean that night portion it's always when things get a little bit deeper a little bit heavier it's you know less of the fun more of the real intimate moments and yeah we saw you share your adoption story with clayton during dinner so could you get into a little bit more about that and and i guess what i would love to know is how has that part about you shaped who you are as a woman today yeah i mean the last thing i want to wanted to do was, you know, go in and like trauma dump on someone or like, I don't want to call it trauma or like, you know, just share this like story that isn't relevant to what's going

on. But the reason I shared it is because it is relevant to like who I am and how I, you know, view family and children, relationships, all the above. So, you know, it was really, really important for me to share that. It was relevant because, you know, having been adopted and growing up in a family and a community that didn't look like me. Having always felt isolated and ostracized and not really seen or appreciated for who I was was just a really familiar feeling. And that's also a feeling that's kind of been consistent in my past relationships of, you know, just feeling like unseen and not appreciated. And so when I did feel very heard and understood by him that it was just that much more special because it was something that I had always been lacking

and that I've never really had before. And especially after, you know, this being this first date with this person, being able to kind of open up about that stuff and share that with him. I felt, I think it says a lot that I felt safe to share that because it's often, you know, it's often something that you don't want to just dump on someone and when you first make them. You know, it's a more personal thing. But the fact that I was able to share that with him really to a lot to me and that he, you know, obviously reciprocated well. And I think it was a beautiful story. I mean, you will very soon realize, especially after all airs and everyone has seen that conversation, a lot of people will come out to you through DMs or however else and

thank you, people who, you know, grew up in similar situations or, you know, went through the adoption process. So it'll be, I know it's a struggle. It's always kind of weird opening up to somebody on a first date, let alone everyone's standing around you with the cameras and the lights and then knowing it'll be aired. But thank you because I know it'll change a lot of lives. Yeah. Yeah, of course. And that's like if I can, you know, have that one moment of making a difference like within all of this. That's that's really cool because, you know, I like grew up not having someone to look at who have been through that. So, you know, people can watch this and look at that and like see themselves in me. And, you know, that's all you can.

and it was for. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, and they will. They definitely will. Good, good. It helps that we were in the Van Gogh exhibit, too. I was like, it was so, it was crazy. I mean, like, it was empty, like, all for us. And then they had this string quartet with, like, it was really cool. So, Sarah, I want to know, were you a fan of the show, or do you have, like, friends that were fans in the show before you came on? I mean, I guess I would consider myself a fan. I wasn't, like, a fan. I wasn't, like, a fanatic. I think I started watching when Ben Higgins was The Bachelor and then

kind of picking shows like what what seasons I watched. But I'm actually like pretty close with Kit and now like Rachel from your season. So. No way. Yeah. Yeah. Oh my God. That's amazing. Are you in New York? Yeah. I live in New York. Okay. Wait. So then did did Kit or Rachel or just any of your friends give you like some really good piece of advice before you went on the show. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, Rachel was just like, you know, trust like what he's saying versus what anyone else is saying, whether that's like a girl, a producer or anything, like trust what he's saying. And really like try to establish that like honest communication. And then Kit was, she's so funny she's like i definitely had some moments that like i probably like shouldn't have said

but i'm glad that i said them because it's all me like 100% me so she's like just like be yourself but also kind of like watch what you say sometimes um which for me like wasn't a problem because i'm not like very outspoken at all um but you know trying to think what else it was like minor things like how to do your nails so like i came in with all the glue on nails ready to go um that kind of stuff. I feel like when people get like advice, if like you were like, oh, yeah, I got advice from Kit and Rachel. I feel like listeners are probably like, oh, she got all of this like juicy stuff. But like the video advice is just like go in, be genuine. And like the detail that you want to know was like how to pack. Like that you can get. Literally. No, seriously, it was literally

packing in like the day before I got to LA. I was texting Rachel like, what do I do about my nails? Like it's like that that was the conversation. Because it's like, you know, every season is so different. Okay, before we get into our game with you, we know that there's so much to come. We also know that you can't give a ton away yet. But if you can describe Clayton's season overall in three words, what would you say? Ooh, three words. Okay. Emotional.

I'm trying to think of a good, like, adventurous. and unique. Okay. I like those. I do too. I want to slowly start combining the three words that everyone says each week to see how many are the same or like what we're getting into. I want to be able to press. Yeah.

What if people say. Yeah. We can't say you can't say dramatic. You can't say amazing. You can't say romantic. We need to like start creating a list of like blackout words. Right. That's why I say it's emotional, not as dramatic.

Yeah. emotions. That's good. The only one I really remember was we had Jesse Palmer on the first episode and he said first, which makes sense because it was the first time you guys were traveling again, the first time you were all back in the mansion, the first thing he was hosting, all these new first, which that's the only one I really remember. But that kind of lines up with what you said about unique.

Yeah. Yeah, it's very unique in like every aspect of the word. We always play our games with everyone that we have on Happy Hour. So basically, this is just a fun, easy bachelor support. So we're just going to give you a sentence and then you just have to give us the first name that comes to mind from Clayton's group of women. So I'll start it off. So who is the most likely to get the party started? Oh, God, there's so many. Just one. Okay. Melina.

Most likely to get the ladies laughing. Jill. I feel like we haven't seen enough of Jill yet who's the best cook Elizabeth I was going to say the shrimp Elizabeth yeah it was Elizabeth yeah it was Elizabeth yeah every morning I would come down she was like cooking a five-course meal and I'm like eating the M&Ms from the candy jar she's always cooking yeah

who's the early bird of the house the house the first the first wake up in the house The first wake up in the mornings. Unfortunately, often it was me because I wanted to have ample time to get ready because I was always nervous about being late. So, yeah, I was always up. But I think also Molina was always up because she would work out in the mornings. What does that feel like having time to work out on the show? Right.

She would post classes. I didn't participate, unfortunately, but I never worked out on the season, so I was like, uh, if I have extra time to sleep, I am sleeping in. Exactly. Who is most likely to be named Miss Congeniality?

Susie. I can see it. Who has the best smile in the house? The best smile? Mm-hmm. Eliza. we were just talking about her she's stunning she always dresses so well i love her style yeah who is the best dressed sierra okay yeah sierra with the body glitter right mm-hmm love it who is the biggest gossip

Oh, gosh. I don't want to say. I don't even know. I'm trying to think. I'm like, oh, gosh. I mean, right now, after what the viewers have seen, I'm sure they would say Chenet, just for the fact that she was telling all Elizabeth stuff to everyone. But if that makes easier for you. I'm thinking like, yeah. So I'll say Chenet. Who's most likely to steal claim first at a cocktail party? Cassidy. Who is the first to go to bed? Marlena. Okay. Who's the messiest? Oh, gosh. I'm trying to remember it, because we would always joke about the kitchen would always be a mess. But I don't know who did it. I'm trying to think who's messy, though.

Like. Who just, like, had the most shit thrown all over the rooms? Oh. kind of shenay who is most likely to be found lounging by the pool i'm trying to remember who is out there i think i want to say malina again okay yeah That's for me. You want to take the last one? I will. And most likely to be a bridesmaid in your wedding. Lindsay W. Nice.

She was like the first friend that I made in the house. Because you know how they, we were all isolated? We've never seen each other. And then when they were, we were in the same limo. So when they were walking us down to the limo, we like accidentally crossed paths. And they were like, don't look at each other. And we were like, right, right? And then we had, you know, like a little bit of time to talk in the limo. And then we just talked throughout the night.

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. All right. Well, Sarah, before we let you go, it's time to share our rose and thorns of this week. So let us know what you thought was the best moment and the messiest. So to help out, I'll start first. I'm going to start with the thorn. I would say it was Chenet. And the fact that she kept referring to all of the other women in such mean derogatory terms. It does not sit well with me. And I hope she finds better vocabulary in the future. And I'm going to leave it at that. And then my rose was hosting the date with you and Clayton. I know it was a very weird date that you definitely did not expect. But it was so fun to just meet you and to get to know Clayton a little bit more. And to now, I guess, be at this point where we see really the beginnings of this beautiful relationship unfold. My Thorne was, I think Clayton missed a fantastic opportunity on your date, Sarah, to show off his freestyle rapping skills. He has been Yeah, I came out with them on his Instagram, on the podcast.

I was expecting a Freel Style Wrap and I was disappointed. We didn't get it. And then from my rose, Becca, obviously seeing you on my screen. I mean, Sarah and Becca, a perfect pairing. And I also, honestly, I know there's been a lot of negative drama, but I loved the shrimp debacle. I just thought it was so random and so funny and like not, like nothing happened. But, like, for some reason, it was, like, such a big deal and I was living for it. Someone take them the red lobster.

Seriously. All right, Sarah. You're up. Your Rose and Thorn. Thorn is definitely, like, the drama taking away time that could have been spent on good relationships and good relationship building. You know, it's like, we can laugh about it. And, like, the shrimp thing was, like, really funny and kind of dumb. But at the end of the day, it.

it did take a lot of time. And, you know, even like the drama in this episode ended up canceling the cocktail party before the rose ceremony. So, like, I didn't get to talk to him that night. So, you know, just like the drama, like, it is sometimes easy to laugh at, but it took away a lot of time from everyone. So that's definitely my thorn. Oh. Okay. My rose is definitely the nighttime portion in the Van Gogh exhibit.

It was just so, like, stunning. Like, I sew up my alley. I love it. And the fact that we had it all to ourselves was just, like, surreal. And then we get to walk through it. And, like, you know, we're sitting at this table and this massive room. And no one was, like, really near us. So it actually kind of felt private.

And obviously, it was, like, beautiful and just very serene. So, you know, it was a good place to have a good conversation. and I think we ended like the date feeling mutually good about our relationship and where it was going. So that was a really good, good moment for me. Good. Well, I am so glad that we had you on again. It has been a pleasure talking with you. So good to see you. Welcome back anytime. We loved having you. Yes. I would love to. In the meantime, have fun watching all of the crazy uniqueness unfold. Yes. Thank you so much, Sarah. This was a pleasure. Yeah. Thank you for having me. of course we'll see you soon all right another one done such a pleasure she's she was such a cutie

when i first met her so i'm glad that we were able to have her on this was a really great interview she was so sweet and i feel like we actually i love when we interview people and they give us little tidbits of things that we didn't get to see as viewers and it kind of just gives more insight into what was going on as a whole on the date and in the house yeah i mean and you can relate to this there's so much that people don't see. And so like, it's interesting to get Sarah and everyone else on here, their point of views because they're watching a lot of this back for the first time alongside us. And so it is with fresh eyes. And they, you know, they probably remember something a different way and then they see it all come together. So it's a wild ride. I can't wait to see

Sarah a little bit more, see where her and Clayton go because it seems like they really started it off on such a solid foundation um so time will tell i mean she said it's going to be unique so i can't wait i know me too episode three and we still have lots more drama and lots more romance to go this season and lots more fashion lots more fashion i love those recaps i'm so glad that you are joining me to add those in because it's such a fun little part to the day to start the podcast i absolutely love it and it's serena i will say you're pushing me outside of my usual way that i operate and how I watch the show because I'm paying attention to so much more so thank you you're welcome I love being here and I love recapping the fashion with you such a blast so thank you to all

of our bachelor happy hours for listening and again thank you Sarah for being here it was such a fun morning as a reminder we are casting for the bachelor and to the bachelorette so if you have anybody in mind whether it's yourself a friend a family member that you think would be great for the show please head to bachelornation.com slash apply also make sure to hit us up on social. You can follow us at Bachelor Happy Hour on Instagram and from there you'll be able to find everything you need to know to follow us on Twitter and

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