Bachelor Happy Hour - Screaming About Hometowns with Jared Freid

Episode Date: August 3, 2023

This week on “Bachelor Happy Hour,” seasoned Bachelor Nation fan and comedian Jared Freid joins Joe and Serena to chat all about Hometowns and share his thoughts on Charity’s season so far. Afte...r Jared’s neighbor tells the crew to keep it down, Jared reveals why he gets upset when people claim “The Bachelor” is fake, what he originally thought of Joe and Serena after they were announced for their seasons, and who belongs on his Bachelor Mount Rushmore. Plus, Jared talks about his upcoming Netflix special, “37 and Single,” and explains why the Bachelor franchise is really the comedic gift that keeps on giving.   Be sure to subscribe so you never miss an episode.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 This is an I-Heart podcast. I'm Dr. Scott Barry Kaufman, host of the psychology podcast. Here's a clip from an upcoming conversation about how to be a better you. When you think about emotion regulation, you're not going to choose an adaptive strategy which is more effortful to use unless you think there's a good outcome. Avoidance is easier. Ignoring is easier. Denials easier.
Starting point is 00:00:25 Complex problem solving takes effort. Listen to the psychology podcast on the. iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. On the latest episode of Next Question with me, Katie Couric, I sat down with Jasmine Crockett, Democratic Representative of Texas. She's holding out the fork for her party in one of the most conservative states in the Union. I think that ultimately, who will become the Democratic nominee for president will be someone
Starting point is 00:00:52 that has been out there and has shown that they won't allow themselves to be punched and just say thank you. Like, they will punch back. Listen to next question with me, Katie Couric on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I was diagnosed with cancer on Friday and cancer free the next Friday.
Starting point is 00:01:12 No chemo, no radiation, none of that. On a recent episode of Culture Raises Us podcast, I sat down with Warren Campbell, Grammy winning producer, pastor, and music executive to talk about the beats, the business, and the legacy behind some of the biggest names in gospel, R&B and hip-hop. Professionally, I
Starting point is 00:01:28 started at Death World Records. From Mary Mary to Jennifer Hudson, we get into the soul of the music and the purpose that drives it. Listen to Culture raises us on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What's up, Bachelor Nation? Welcome back to another episode of Bachelor Happy Hour. We have a very special day comedian Jared Freed.
Starting point is 00:01:49 You may know him from The Bachelor. He has a Netflix special, 37 and single. Am I right? That's right, 37 singles. It's on Netflix. August 15th, thank you guys for having me. I'm so happy to be here with you both. The Bacheloretic couple here.
Starting point is 00:02:07 We're happy to have you. So what happens if you get into a relationship before the special drops? He's only got two weeks. You never know. We got engaged in that amount of time. Yeah, that's true. That's right. I mean, if I would say this is a snapshot of my life on December of 2020.
Starting point is 00:02:28 and that's when we shot it and it's all jokes about if you're single and just annoyed at being single and single life and dating apps and your friends trying to help and your parents trying to help it's I would say relatability is high there's some and as you guys know I've been making I've been the troll of the bachelor nation for all these years I've been yelling at the TV I have bachelor material in the special and kind of relating it to my life because as you guys know of people who have been on the show you know before you go on, someone's like, you should go on. You should go on.
Starting point is 00:03:01 Like, if you're a single person who knows the Bachelor, has been around the Bachelor, it's always something that said to you. If you're a fan of the show and people know that, you should submit. So I talk about that type of stuff and why I could never go on the show. But I, you know, and then to talk about gender reveal parties and, you know, body issues and late night eating. And it's really meant to be something that everyone can enjoy, you know, friends, family, make a date night, watch it with your parents, watch it with your parents, watch it
Starting point is 00:03:27 with someone, you know, your friends on a, you know, with a glass of wine. And it's just super exciting. Like, you know, it's, it's, it's why I like watching The Bachelor. I love watching The Bachelor because it's relatable. Every bat, you know, when people say, oh, it's fake, I get really annoyed. Because I love, to me, the Bachelor is professional wrestling. It's like WWE. Yeah, maybe the, maybe all the, the surroundings are fake and the characters are maybe a little
Starting point is 00:03:52 heightened, but you still got to jump off the top rope. You're still going to take the bumps. You're still going to get first kiss. and get dumped and say I love you and say and ask someone to you know meet their parents and meet the parents and get dumped after meeting the parents so it's all like a vessel to be able to relate to your own life because that's what we all do what would I do in charity's shoes what would I do in you know Aaron B's shoes all these things so and and what would I do in you know grocery Joe's shoes he goes on the show for one minute grocery store Joe excuse me sorry I forgot your
Starting point is 00:04:25 middle name I Like, what would I do if I went on this show for 15 minutes and all of a sudden became this mega star? How would I deal with this? So I think it's all like, this is why I love the show and I'm happy to be here with you guys. So thank you for having it. If you're, if you're still single, you should go on. I can't.
Starting point is 00:04:45 No, no, no. I'm joking. I'm too chubby. The camera adds 20 pounds for me 50 pounds. I, next to the bachelor. Because the one thing you realize very quickly, when I, I meet you guys. When I meet the, you know, the Greek gods and goddesses that go on this show is you guys are TV ready. Like there's like, I had six martinis last night. Like I am, there's
Starting point is 00:05:10 no TV ready over here. I'm happy to be watching my apartment alone yelling at the TV like a loser. I'm okay with that. Jared, before we get into all the bachelor's nation questions, I just remember this. And now that I have you in front of me, I have to bring up to you. So one of my, one of my girlfriends is a fan of bachelor's, a fan of you, listens to all your podcasts, and she listens to them before she goes to bed. And you do like a question, submit your questions, dating podcast, I guess. Right. Do you a podcast? We take emails from Westerners and give advice. Yeah. Yes, that podcast. And she's like, I'm listening. I'm listening. I'm falling asleep. I'm almost in my fricking rem. And I hear someone has sent a question about me, about my dating profile. Do you know what she's
Starting point is 00:05:57 talking about? So you got so we play a game on you up podcast which is a dating and relaysia podcast and if anyone, usually the UL podcast gets sent to people during a breakup. It's in like the basket of goodies that someone gets to like, you know, be, you know
Starting point is 00:06:13 rocked like a baby back to health, you know? So what we play a game called red flag deal breaker and a man from Toronto sent in a red flag deal breaker asking and red flag means I notice it but I'll still date them. Deal breaker means
Starting point is 00:06:29 I'm out. And you know, red flags have kind of trended on TikTok. We've been doing this game for six years now. Like it's crazy. We had a card game we made. So you have this one thing happen. Do you keep going or do you say I'm out?
Starting point is 00:06:45 And the one thing they sent in for us to discuss was that Serena Pitt was I don't know if I heard this story. This is brand blue. So that's they went on date with Serena and she was engaged with some guy from the show. No, no, no, no, that wasn't.
Starting point is 00:07:02 I was like, oh, that's a... I guess I'm 37 and single now, too. Look at it. You're in. So, no, the... Basically, someone that's friends with Serena, all their pictures on Hinge were of the girl and
Starting point is 00:07:17 Serena. So it was like red flag or deal breaker, all of their pictures on the dating app are with a celebrity and are with someone that's recognizable. Are they trying to attain clout of a certain nature? They were basically asking, is this person trying to suck the Hollywood out of Serena to try and, you know, glamorize themselves to get a date? And, and, and we had a, we actually had a lengthy conversation where we were like, you can have one picture with Serena. And then, like, Jordiana was like, not, you know, wasn't watching that season. She's like, I don't know Serena. So to me, this is just, you know, and we were kind of talking about, like, having. the same person in your profile multiple times is just kind of weird in general not you know like do you know who this was serena this is one of my best friends so yeah and i will say it was
Starting point is 00:08:10 only like two or three out of her like six photos well that's half 50 percent right right you know jo the former finance guy knows what i'm talking about 50 percent that's a big percentage yeah i would not be surprised if she's redone her profile since you said that but I would also not be surprised if it looks exactly the same so I would have to go check and it's hard to have this conversation because we were like you know there becomes the discussion
Starting point is 00:08:37 of like how big a celebrity is Serena and I've met you before Serena you don't come off as like I'm the biggest celebrity in the world like you you're a very normal person so it's like Brad Pitt like right well that was I kind of wish you did that I kind of wish you did that I did what I'm the biggest celebrity in the world
Starting point is 00:08:54 oh my God it would be crazy behavior So then it became this weird discussion of like Is Serena like a big enough celebrity to be a big brag? Is it like, and I was like, listen, if it was three pictures in the profile, it would take me the first three to wonder who is this person? Because that's the problem, generally the problem on a dating profile is that, you know, it's like this Where's Waldo game? Some people's just them with friends and you're like, oh my God, who am I trying to make love to here?
Starting point is 00:09:21 You know, like what am I? You know, like, and so it was a fun discussion, but it happened to, you know, embroil, bring you into the fray of the U-Up podcast. Yeah, yeah, and her as one of your listeners, which was an extraordinarily shocking night. She's a listener. She's just a listener. She was just listening for fun. And then then all of a sudden you're talking about her, which has got to be crazy. But you do talk about the cast and you write profiles for everyone. So the cool thing about having a special on Netflix is like I've never really been plucked from obscurity.
Starting point is 00:09:56 Everything I've done has been this like, I'll put stuff in the internet that I think are funny and hopefully people come my way. So one of my ideas early on was that The Bachelor puts out all these profiles of every contestant. So I was like, I'll take, and they used to only put out a picture and their name and their age and their profession and where they were from. And I would just make fun of those facts. And honestly, it could be anyone from Baltimore, San Diego, whatever it was, or anyone that had a job in finding. answer. It was a forum for me to be funny and make jokes. Then the bachelor started
Starting point is 00:10:32 writing full-on profiles, question and answers with the contestants. So it made my job like a thousand times easier because there's like now a million things to make fun of. So it's weird because now I'm going on all these podcasts and I've written about you guys before even meeting you on camera. So
Starting point is 00:10:48 I took your profile and I'm going to read you both the profiles. Yeah, I want to hear. I was going to ask. I'm sweating. I don't know why. I'm so nervous to hear I'm going to read Joe's first because it was long ago. I don't even have, like, this might have been before they did. So, you're ready? I don't think, yeah, I don't, I'm pretty sure they didn't, I think, I don't know if they wrote anything for us.
Starting point is 00:11:10 I feel like they said our name, where we were from and our age. But yeah, let's go. Well, you did have more information because I did have, okay, ready? So this was Joe's in 2018, I wrote this. Like, thank God for Google. Like, you know, I can, I have it all. I was like, I searched this and it's like crazy. So, and again, I get like weird because it's like my writing.
Starting point is 00:11:29 I'm like, I hope I've gotten better. Okay, ready? Let's go. Joe left the stock exchange to own a grocery store. Some women will get nostalgic and be like, that's what Corey Matthew's dad did on the show. Then imagine a life living next to Mr. Feeney and having a girlfriend who's too hot for him. Others will think, didn't Amazon just get into the grocery business
Starting point is 00:11:52 and think that Joe isn't the type of decision maker that will win this show. Becca will be like, hey boys, meet me at the restaurant for our date night. And everyone will be like, Becca will be like, hey boys, meet me at the restaurant for our date night. And everyone will be at the restaurant, and Becca will be like, where's Joe?
Starting point is 00:12:10 And someone will be like, oh, Joe decided to take his horse and buggy. And I think there was a line at the toll booth. So he's going to be a minute. So that was my Joe thing. Fuck you, Jared. Well, I read yours first because I think Serinas is a little tougher.
Starting point is 00:12:28 Oh, God. I'm scared. My bio, I remember reading my bio for the show and being like, oh, God. Like, this is, this is what people pulled from every piece of information they have about me to write. Oh, my God. Okay. And wait, wait, in Boymeet's
Starting point is 00:12:44 world, is that what we're talking about, that his dad own a grocery store? Yeah, yeah, yeah, and he lived next to Mr. Feeney and I always thought Topanga was too hot for Corey. So these let you into my thoughts and feelings. Okay. I like that. All lines up. I like the boy meets world reference. Yeah, I'm ready. You know, some are for certain ages, Joe. You and I, you know, we're out of the mix for some of
Starting point is 00:13:05 these jokes. You know, I got to go young. I got to make sure the kids get these. Okay. You ready? I'm ready. I'm Dr. Scott Barry Kaufman, host of the psychology podcast. Here's a clip from an upcoming conversation about exploring human potential. I was going to schools to try to teach kids these skills and I get eye rolling from teachers or I get students who would be like it's easier to punch someone in the face. When you think about emotion regulation, like you're not going to choose an adaptive strategy which is more effortful to use unless you think there's a good outcome as a result of it if it's going to be beneficial to you because it's easy to say like go you go blank yourself right? It's easy. It's easy to just drink the extra beer. It's easy to ignore
Starting point is 00:13:50 to suppress seeing a colleague who's bothering you and just like walk the other way. Avoidance is easier. Ignoring is easier. Denial is easier. Drinking is easier. Yelling, screaming is easy. Complex problem solving, meditating, you know, takes effort. Listen to the psychology podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I think Democrats have, for a very long time, allow Republicans to play them. So essentially, Republicans came up with a narrative, and Democrats decided to play into that, and that only hurt the Democrats. I'm Katie Couric. Jasmine Crockett, Democratic Representative of Texas, is not known for holding back. And our recent chat on next question is no exception. But when you hear how she got
Starting point is 00:14:41 to where she is, her intensity makes perfect sense. It's just hard to imagine a world where you don't have enough people that care to do right by people. And so that same passion that carried me through as a public defender that led me to want to change laws and thinking about the harm that will happen not just to my constituents, but just generally, like, I carry that weight with me because you've seen it up close. Yeah. Listen to next question with me, Katie Couric on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. I don't write songs. God writes songs. I take dictation. I didn't even know you've been a pastor for over 10 years.
Starting point is 00:15:27 I think culture is any space that you live in that develops you. On a recent episode of Culture Raises Us podcast, I sat down with Warren Campbell, Grammy winning producer, pastor, and music executive to talk about the beats, the business, and the legacy behind some of the biggest names in gospel, R&B, and hip-hop. This is like watching Michael Jackson talk about thoroughly before it happened. Was there a particular moment where you realize just how instrumental music culture was to shaping all of our global ecosystem? I was eight years old and the Motown 25 special came on and all the great Motown artists, Marvin, Stevie Wonder, Temptations, Diana Ross. From Mary Mary to Jennifer Hudson, we get into the soul of the music and the purpose that drives it. Listen to Culture raises us on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Serena P is a 22-year-old publicist from Toronto who says she is chronically hangary.
Starting point is 00:16:26 That's just a coded way of saying, I'm an asshole who doesn't take responsibility for my behavior. I put describing yourself as hangary in the same category as saying, I'm just sarcastic and nobody gets my sense of humor. And everyone's so sensitive. These are all assholes who, who instead of making any changes or looking in the mirror at all, give themselves a character description and we all have to just accept it. It's always sorry I was just hangary.
Starting point is 00:16:52 This is what happens when you don't feed me as if they're a four-year-old who has the ability to pay rent but no strength to open the fridge for an apple. I'm going to start calling myself horn-grie. Anytime I get mad and then go masturbate and come out of the bathroom and be like, sorry, I was just horn-grie. That's what happens when you don't lick my nuts. wait that was way better than jokes yeah yeah well you've gotten better yeah you've gotten better
Starting point is 00:17:20 I've gotten better over the years I like it I like this is Horn Gre is pretty funny and I might do that bit on stage tonight at the comedy seller but now it's given me some inspiration so you should thank you for going back into you know whatever and into the memories of my past but the archives the archives the archives That was a lot of fun. But yeah, so this is a true thrill for me, a normie, getting to come on with the Greek gods and goddesses of our time, the Bachelor and Bachelorette contestants of Joe and Serena. Oh, that was good.
Starting point is 00:17:55 Thank you for that. That was a lot of fun. Brought me back, too. I remember my profile pick with my short hair and that green jacket. I hated it. Okay. I just remember the grocery store thing. I don't know who, what God you pray to, Joe.
Starting point is 00:18:11 I don't know what you did in charity work because nobody has gotten so much from one description in the entirety of this show and I wish you the best and love you for it. The grocery, yeah, how the grocery thing just caught fire was insane. I was only part of that grocery store. Like I was in the wholesale, so I used to sell produce.
Starting point is 00:18:37 I was only part of the grocery store for like eight months. and it was just like it was my identity all of a sudden I was like this is insane it's such a hallmark movie thing it's like I can totally and it's the audience I mean who doesn't like a hallmark movie trope but it is uh yeah it is something that you'd find on like a TV movie like the guy that used to work on
Starting point is 00:19:02 Wall Street moved back to his hometown to run a grocery store and then his high school sweetheart moves back as well to like save the inn you are and you got a look and you got you know the italian ah shucks you're mr a shucks yeah no it's uh it is it hits you right in the fields light lightning in a bottle okay so let's go to hometowns home towns yeah you watch hometowns i love hometowns it's my favorite episode of the season always i think it's great really it's serena's it's serena's least favorite i enjoy it too why do you not like it's serena so i actually i didn't
Starting point is 00:19:39 mind this one. I find it just feels like the same thing four times in a row. Sure. And it's the least like drama. It's the least relationship base because you're bringing in all these people that the audience has never seen before and they know they're never going to see again. So it just feels hard to get like really invested in the episode. But I will say these four hometowns did feel different and I loved all four of the families. So that did help for sure. I just love the idea like, you know, when someone applies to go on The Bachelor or Bachelorette, they are very much they're somewhat camera ready.
Starting point is 00:20:13 I just love that these families go on, they have no want or need to go on TV. They don't want to be on TV. They're probably told like, I don't know, I guess we have to do this now. And then they have to be on TV. And like, to me there's nothing more real than someone who doesn't
Starting point is 00:20:29 want to be on TV being on TV. So I do enjoy the weirdness of it, like seeing the sister who's just like wide-eyed, you know? Why am I here? And then seeing, you know, the Internet, like, from the Internet view of it, I'm always, like, just fascinated. Like, I guess there was one, you know, Joey's uncle, to me, is the most fabulous. Because he, Joey's uncle, I was like, this guy must be a piece of work.
Starting point is 00:20:58 Like, to come on the show and then just be like, I don't know, and, like, kind of create conspiracy theories out of nowhere of his own nephew. Of his own nephew, he's literally going like, yeah, I just, I don't know if you know the real Joey. It's like, what are you saying? What are you doing this to your nephew? You're ruining this guy. Like my uncle, I'd be like, I would look at my uncle before going on this, I'd be like, you just shut the fuck up
Starting point is 00:21:23 and you don't ruin this for me. What do you say? Like, I would pull, if I'm Joey, I'm pulling aside my uncle and be like, what the fuck did you say to her? Did you say, did she knock at the real meat? Do you know what this show is all about? There's literally podcasts and things called Here for the Right Reasons. You're going to implant in her head that there might be a chance that I've been this like sleeper cell.
Starting point is 00:21:46 Are you kidding me? And the best is you're not even my dad. You're my uncle. You're some random guy and he shows up to tennis. And tennis coaches are kind of like notoriously like characters. If you know anything about tennis, like there's this like kind of trope that goes along with like tennis coach that's too hard. on the on the on the on the pupil and it's like he shows up and he's like kind of a dick kind of actually showing charities like you might be he says to charity you might have a little
Starting point is 00:22:17 bit of a tennis way well why don't you have a compliment uncle joe you can't give a fucking compliment i i hated uncle joe in a way that like and he's named after him that's his namesake so like what's he going to say to uncle jo this was my i'm laughing so hard because this was my reaction when I was watching it. I'm just like, what is happening right now? He was like, why is Uncle Joe throwing Joey under the bus? And it made it worse because all the other families, like the siblings were like such wing men,
Starting point is 00:22:46 like just building up their siblings being like, they're ready, they would never cheat on you. They're loyal. They're faithful. They're genuine, like the best way man family members ever. And then you've got Uncle Joe just being like, I don't know about Joey for you. I don't know about him on his own.
Starting point is 00:22:58 I don't know about him at all. Right. It was so bizarre. It was so weird. Like even him showing up to the. the tennis court and like unannounced, you're like, whoa, do you have a family of your own? Like, have you ever dealt with like a child bringing home a significant other? Like, what are you saying to charity?
Starting point is 00:23:17 I, yeah, it was, and I'm sorry to skip ahead because I know we're skipping, you know, but I guess like we're going over Joey's thing now. But like that was the, that jumped out in a way because like, and again, that's like the fun of hometowns is like this family member who's, you know, we all have that. that. The eccentric family member, the wild card, we don't, you know, I'm sure, I'm sure Joey off cameras like, yeah, I got this Uncle Joe and he's like a character and he's my tennis coach and I'm really close with him and he's at every event, but I don't know what he's going to say. He can't be re-armed in, obviously. Yeah, he will say anything. And you're like, yeah,
Starting point is 00:23:53 are you out of your mind? No filter Uncle Joe. I mean, I have so many family members like that too. So I just watched and I'm just like, I'm sitting there like, oh my God, how did you how did you allow this okay and I actually I'm gonna go way back because there's something I want to bring up that I thought was extremely funny that you did for our listeners
Starting point is 00:24:15 Jared you'll recap episodes you'll scream at what's happening I know what Joe's gonna bring up because he just this isn't even about this season like we're just completely changing topic we're gonna jump back into this season but it was because it was hometowns
Starting point is 00:24:30 on Zach's season with Ariel and she goes to the a Jewish deli and gets like gifilta fish and pastrami and you're going who are you dating? This is a date I would want to be on. You should be taking me out. I was I was crying when he did that. Well when Ariel was
Starting point is 00:24:46 on the show it's like I you know you get word of like who the Jews are and as a Jewish guy I'm like oh my God like again I put myself in the shoes of the people like I always think like and she brings him to Sarge's deli and you're like who would order these things for lunch
Starting point is 00:25:02 like are you trying to like fuck was that they're like you're gonna have some tongue like my dad eats tongue I don't order a tongue sandwich she's like here you know have what did she give them like a like a gefilta fish like yeah yeah yeah the fish is like something you have like at the high
Starting point is 00:25:18 holidays and like you would never be like yeah I'll have a matzboal soup the confills official it's like what are you doing to us as Jews area like why are you trying like this felt like they were on fear factor and they did like the food section of fear factor no the show was definitely like
Starting point is 00:25:34 look, you could order a pastrami sandwich or you could order something else and let's go something totally shocking and then Zaxon and be like, you're going to really make me a tongue right now. Funny. Okay, so back to hometown so we just covered Joey's.
Starting point is 00:25:50 Aaron's hometown, I don't really think there's much to cover on it. I think it was just classic and just like your nice hometown. I will say about Aaron's hometown is that and I have to quiet down. My neighbor below just hit the bottom of my floor. I got two excited about the felt the fish i know i'm sorry um Aaron to me has been kind of like
Starting point is 00:26:11 Aaron rings to me very unnatural the whole season i don't know how you guys feel it feels like he's reading a script like there was one part a couple episodes where he's giving a a massage to charity and you're like and you're like and he he gave off the energy of like my girlfriend's best friend who actually likes her like he's like a little uncomfortable he never like it always feels performative. It feels like he's saying what he thinks he's supposed to say. And then you get to his house and his family is so nice in a way that my family would never open up to each other. Like, I don't know about you guys. Like, were you prepared to like tell your parents how much they, you love them if they were to be on the show? Like, I, I, it doesn't it,
Starting point is 00:26:55 I don't know if you guys felt the same way. My parents were on, my parents were on the show. And I definitely did not actually i thought i thought his hometown was lovely but i agree i wasn't prepared for his hometown to be like that based on what we've seen of him on this show i find him not like super super warm necessarily and his family was like the warmest family ever and i was saying to joe in our recap like it was like it was like a moment for his family versus like a moment for charity and his family like i felt like him telling his family he loves them and them saying we're proud of you with like that was the hometown. I couldn't agree more.
Starting point is 00:27:34 And honestly, like, I kind of came away from that being, like, this is kind of unfair to charity because it was like, look how much we love each other. How could you say no to this family? You know, like, you know, the dad's talking about, well, we do Christmas here. It's like, yeah, who the fuck doesn't do Christmas at their house? He was talking about it like it was a special holiday. Right? You said, yeah, right?
Starting point is 00:27:57 Like, it was weird. And it's like, you kind of put these people. you know, put charity into a position of guilt where it's like, what, you don't want to do Christmas the way we, it's like, yeah, everyone goes home for Christmas. I don't know what you're, even me, a Jew, I go home and have Chinese food on Christmas. Like, the idea
Starting point is 00:28:12 that like, oh, we do things differently here and you're like, what? You know, like, I don't know, it was he tried the locker in for Christmas, just in case they got married, he wanted to get the first Christmas. Yeah, he's like, you're a feel we can have Thanksgiving, but like just letting you know we do Christmas, which honestly is something.
Starting point is 00:28:30 thing my dad would do. So I kind of related to that. It was, which is hilarious and also unfair. Like you're putting, you know, and I agree. It felt like this whole thing was about this family being like, you know what? The cameras are here. Let's open up to one another and say what we've been holding in our whole lives. But I don't think they're the first family to do that. I know. I agree. There's a lot of families. And I don't know what it is if it's like the preparation or like you've been away from each other for so long or what. but I do find for whatever reason like hometowns like opens family up to like this discussion of like how much they love each other
Starting point is 00:29:05 especially for these families that like it seems like don't do it a lot like remember Nate on Michelle season like I think we saw that with his family too like him and his dad had this combo where like they basically said I love you to each other for the first time ever it's like I don't know what putting like a mic and a camera in front of someone does but like it's bringing families together I still you know I had to fill my family for for when I went on Paradise the second time and all my dad said was I don't care what you do. Just don't cry on TV.
Starting point is 00:29:33 That was it. And then my laugh. The world missed out on your hometown for sure. I mean, I would have been a spinoff show. I would have loved to have seen Joe's hometown. Just based on that one little interaction alone, because you know what it is? I think, Serena, I don't know if you guys have been sponsored by this. This is going to be a free plug.
Starting point is 00:29:52 But, like, you've been sponsored by Storyworth. They've sponsored our podcast. And Storyworth, basically. will email your parents and then ask them questions that you'd be too uncomfortable to ask. Like, it'd be like, how to, you know, tell us how you, write to us an email of how you met and they put it together in a book for your parents. It's a free plug for Storyworth. But I would say, I always say during the ad, I'm like, yeah, I would never ask my parents these questions and you might open a door that you would never open. So I do think what happens on these hometowns is there's
Starting point is 00:30:22 a producer who's like, I got to get the goods. And you know how producers are. I've been on sets where the producer's like asking a question, you go, I guess I've never thought of it that way and they have you answer it certain ways. I think this is something that's happening here where the producer is next to the kid and he goes, how do you feel about your, you know,
Starting point is 00:30:42 Aaron B. making, you know, finding a woman. And then the dad's like, well, I've never been asked this question before. Yes. It is funny that some parents buy it, buy into it more than others. And Aaron B is definitely like the example of like, I was like, should I be here right now? That was kind of my takeaway. Yes. You know what's so funny.
Starting point is 00:30:58 I don't know if you know this or not. Aaron B is really close with Aaron Clancy. Really? Yeah. Does that kind of surprise you? It does because Aaron Clancy's the San Diego, bro. Yeah, Aaron and James. They couldn't be any more different.
Starting point is 00:31:12 Yeah, I find them to be incredibly different. I'd like to see them in person interacting together. Right. I compared Aaron and James to two bouncers at a nightclub in San Diego. That's their energy was, you know, we drag people out of bars energy. Yeah. they're they definitely have that night at the Roxbury kind of thing um okay let's talk a little bit about um let's just move off the episode just talk about the franchise in a whole um you've been
Starting point is 00:31:39 covering it for how long what do we want to say 10 years it's been years not 10 years what happened was i remember i was with my brother and i lived together he's four years younger than me i'm doing stand-up in new york and you know i think i was sick one night so i did like stay at home and didn't do stand-up, you know, it didn't do any shows. And I started just like watching the, I always have loved reality TV, no matter what. I've watched every reality TV show. And I always loved, what was your first reality show? Because we're around the same age.
Starting point is 00:32:07 I know mine. I know mine, too. Honestly, it might have been. Real world was mine. No, real world, yeah, real world. And then there's real world road rules. And then there was like, also the, you know, what's the singer? Oh, Ozzy Osbourne?
Starting point is 00:32:22 Ozzy Osbourne. I watched the Osbournes and the Jessica Simpson one. And then I watched, you know, I would watch The Bachelor here and there. And I loved a dating show. I loved Rock of Love and I love like the Flavor Flav one. And like I just like anything, the surreal life. Like I just watched all of that stuff. I ate it up. And especially as I started dating, I would watch it with like the women I was dating. And, you know, I always kind of saw them like I kind of could be my funniest in that venue. Like I would always like make them laugh because I would be like noticing things that may be from a different angle.
Starting point is 00:32:58 I'm just looking at through my own personal and they're obviously looking through theirs. And I'm like and the fun part about The Bachelor to me is it lets me talk about things. It gives me a reason to talk about things. So it's like, you know, you talk about bringing the, you know, I'll never forget Pilot Pete when he brought, when his mom was freaking out about wanting one girl over another. I'm like, it gave me kind of the avenue to talk about like my mom is the mom of. two sons. You know, Pilate Pete is the son, his mom has two sons. I, and he got crushed when he was listening to his mom and what she had to say. And I was sitting there defending him being like, well, I can say none of you are giving, you know, the son of a mother any empathy.
Starting point is 00:33:39 Like, and it was like a kind of a different take at the time. I'm Dr. Scott Barry Kaufman, host of the psychology podcast. Here's a clip from an upcoming conversation about exploring human potential. I was going to schools to try to teach kids these skills and I get eye rolling from teachers or I get students who would be like, it's easier to punch someone in the face. When you think about emotion regulation, like you're not going to choose an adaptive strategy which is more effortful to use unless you think there's a good outcome as a result of it if it's going to be beneficial to you. Because it's easy to say like go you,
Starting point is 00:34:16 go blank yourself, right? It's easy. It's easy to just drink the extra beer. It's easy to ignore to suppress, seeing a colleague who's bothering you and just like walk the other way. Avoidance is easier. Ignoring is easier. Denials is easier. Drinking is easier. Yelling, screaming is easy. Complex problem solving, meditating, you know, takes effort. Listen to the psychology podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I think Democrats have, for a very long time, allow Republicans to play them. So essentially, Republicans came up with a narrative, and Democrats decided to play into that. And that only hurt the Democrats.
Starting point is 00:35:00 I'm Kitty Couric. Jasmine Crockett, Democratic Representative of Texas, is not known for holding back. And our recent chat on Next Question is no exception. But when you hear how she got to where she is, her intensity makes perfect sense. It's just hard to imagine a world where you don't have a. enough people that care to do right by people. And so that same passion that carried me through as a public defender that led me to want to change laws and thinking about the harm that will happen, not just to my constituents,
Starting point is 00:35:36 but just generally, like, I carry that weight with me because you've seen it up close. Yeah. Listen to next question with me, Katie Couric on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. I don't write songs. God writes songs. I take dictation. I didn't even know you've been a pastor for over 10 years.
Starting point is 00:35:58 I think culture is any space that you live in that develops you. On a recent episode of Culture Raises Us podcast, I sat down with Warren Campbell, Grammy-winning producer, pastor, and music executive to talk about the beats, the business, and the legacy behind some of the biggest names in gospel, R&B, and hip-hop. This is like watching Michael Jackson talk about thoroughly before it happened. Was there a particular moment where you realized just how instrumental music culture was to shaping all of our global ecosystem.
Starting point is 00:36:26 I was eight years old, and the Motown 25 special came on. And all the great Motown artists, Marvin, Stevie Wonder, Temptations, Diana Ross. From Mary Mary to Jennifer Hudson, we get into the soul of the music and the purpose that drives it. Listen to Culture raises us on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. You know, and then, you know, so I started way back when I would take Nights Office standup to, like, live tweet it. And then I started doing this thing called dudes watching rom-coms, where I'd watch rom-coms and, like, commentate on them. And that was on my Instagram stories. I was like, well, why don't I combine these two?
Starting point is 00:37:06 And I'll live scream the show. So every week, I've taken Nights Office stand-up to watch the show and yell at it on my Instagram. And, you know, what it's become is my own show. Like, you know, for stand-up, everything's about doing stand-up to me. I've been doing stand-up for 13 years. I've been getting on stage every single night except for Bachelor nights. And I remember I'd go to the comedy song. They would make fun of me.
Starting point is 00:37:28 Like the other comments were like, what are you doing? Like, and I go, I was like, this is the equivalent of me having my own show. Like, no one ever cast me anything. I didn't get hired to write for anything. No, anytime I'd submit, I tried, I was auditioning. But it just wasn't happening. And I started, so instead I started podcasts and I started yelling at the Bachelor. And I was like, wow, this is like something people are tuning in to.
Starting point is 00:37:51 see me, you know, which is fun. And as you see, like, if you go to my Instagram, like, I dress up as the characters. I put my face, you know, as the technology got better, I could do things on TikTok. So it was like this, it kind of evolved into my own kind of variety show, which has been the most fun. And then I get to meet you guys, like, which has been like, you know, it's funny because like I talk a lot of shit. I've talked shit about both of you. I just read you. We heard it. Yeah. And it is a joke and it's meant to be ballbusty. And I'm looking to like ruin anyone's day or night and it's cool when people get it you know like when you guys laugh along with it like i think it's cool and it's not meant to like you know sometimes
Starting point is 00:38:32 i get sent these things that are like you know i can see people try try to like send me the jokes they have and i'm like you should probably stay on the sidelines you should probably be a viewer as opposed to a commentator but i and i'm sure you guys get these messages that are heinous and also really nice too because people you know it's nice that you get to give people an opportunity to like put their brain in the shelf and you know stop thinking about their own issues yeah it's usually always uh it's always more good than bad um always what is what what is one thing is there anything that you wish the franchise did differently oh my god i have so many ideas i mean the golden bachelor i've been talking about for years the golden bachelor is going to be
Starting point is 00:39:12 fantastic yeah i can't wait i am so excited in a weird way because the bachelor works and you know The Bachelor is good because you have to have some reality to your reality TV. So I think The Bachelor is great because it is realistic for 27-year-old women to want to marry a guy who's in his 30s or younger, whatever. I think when you flip it, it was always less realistic to have like these 24-year-old dudes be like fighting to get married. It just never rang true, especially from the type of guy who wanted to go on the show. I always thought they should have made The Bachelorette like this woman who's killing it. And whatever industry she's in, off of a divorce of some kind and just like a boss-ass, like 38-year-old woman. And then you make the men on the show in their 40s and 50s.
Starting point is 00:40:05 And I always thought that was like a more fun angle because men in their 40s or the 50s are a little bit embarrassing in the way, like they've made it in some sort of. career. They're a little bit too cocky. They're only surrounded by a French, you know, friends of their own making. They don't really go outside of their own bubbles. So they would be hilarious. And then you'd have this like boss-ass chick who's like, you know, turning down these overconfident dudes and shirts with paisley collars and cuffs. Like I just thought that would be like the evolution of the show. So I always thought where this is going where like I thought the Bachelorette is a better version of this, but I do think it's going to be great with the Golden Bachelor.
Starting point is 00:40:47 And then the other thing I always wanted was no more fantasy suite, we had the reality suite. Which is? Which they ended up doing last season. Katie and I was like, you send the couple to IKEA and they put a bed together and then they see if they want to fuck. So
Starting point is 00:41:03 you have like instead, you know, and then Katie and Zach kind of did that. They like went and built a bed. I'm like, that's more of whatever. Yeah. They went, they, Zach Elter moved in. I don't remember that. you don't remember that you're probably I mean
Starting point is 00:41:16 this was a move in that was her date was like help me move into Austin so I was like Oh for her hometown Right it was her hometown
Starting point is 00:41:26 Yes okay So I Those were always things that I wanted I also like You know I've always thought the show Needed to evolve To include phones
Starting point is 00:41:39 Like I thought that like Hey we're gonna go through your DMs Like that should have been an event and go you know like i i just think like this connection to what it's really like to date in 2024 i thought we should have been moving towards that in a certain way and i think the golden bachelor is a little bit of that because again like we all want to watch our dad date if he has you know if maybe you know he doesn't have someone and he's looking to find someone like wouldn't that be fun so that's cool yeah yeah yeah we're excited to watch it i know we were on chicks in the
Starting point is 00:42:10 office the other week and uh rio was like i'm here for the granny drama. I'm ready to watch them fight each other. Yeah, because, and you don't get any of the bullshit of like hair for the wrong reasons. Like everyone on that show, well, I mean, but everyone on that show is like. But at the same time, if there's like a 75 year old that's like there for instrument followers, like, I just don't care as much. That's even better. Even better. Yeah. Right. Right. And also just like, you know, listen, we all have parents and we all watch them like kind of move through this 2023 world that they're not
Starting point is 00:42:41 really, you know, prepared for in a certain sense, like once they get outside of their kind of comfy bubbles. And it's like, that's what we want to see. We want to see someone who's, you know, it kind of feels like 20 people in their 20s, 30s, whatever. We all know what's acceptable on camera. It's going to be fun to see someone kind of just be a normal person on camera. And I hope that's what the case is. Well, yeah, and I think because of, because of social media, everyone's so self-aware now that it's hard to get people to just really be themselves and just be like fuck it like reality TV used to go on and people like the bachelor back in the day I'm assuming people were just like yeah I'm going on TV I'm yeah because you're like I'm going to go on TV I'm going to do
Starting point is 00:43:24 and say whatever I want and then I'm going to go home and I'm only going to have to hear feedback about it from my family and friends right move on with my life and maybe my co-workers whereas now there's so much self-awareness going on these shows because you know that you're going to your feedback from all these people on social media. This is why I was a Braden fan. I thought Braden I liked him. I think he was ultimately he was proven to be himself.
Starting point is 00:43:49 Like it didn't seem like you know he was wild. He was a little bit fun. He was, but that's why he was fun to watch. Like I don't think we're going to see him without earrings ever again. Like he's going to have dangly earrings. He and he even said a very honest
Starting point is 00:44:04 thing. He's like, who could get married? after this much time getting to know someone. Like, he was being open and honest. And generally, people know not to say that on The Bachelor. And he came out and said it. So that's why I kind of liked him. I thought he was fun to watch. If you had a best friend, let's say your best friend was going on the show,
Starting point is 00:44:29 is there a season you would suggest for that person to watch? To watch. Like in preparation. In preparation, yeah. We were talking about this the other week. Like, if you're going on The Bachelor or The Bachelorette, like, just watch at least one season. Like, don't go in blind. Like, don't show up and be like, I've never seen an episode.
Starting point is 00:44:49 Like, I don't know what I'm getting myself into. And then we were like, what season would be like the season for Bachelor and Bachelorette to, like, prep yourself to go on this show? Probably Hannah G. Or not Hannah G. Hannah Brown. Hannah Brown season. I think I'm going to do a rewatch of that. season. It has it all. It has like Hannah Brown season has like first of all like the way Tyler
Starting point is 00:45:14 conducted himself like you just see like he you go okay. You know like I don't know Tyler to me like Tyler Cameron like basically she's like I don't want to fuck you because I know I want to fuck you. And then he's like okay. And then he's considered like a feminist icon. But like just to see how that kind of unfolded and to see that guy, what was his name? Luke P. Luke P. And the way he acted and kind of just seemed like he was like out of his mind. You know, like, and to see the Peter stuff that happened with the, you know, the windmill.
Starting point is 00:45:49 Like, I think that kind of had everything in it, like, where it had like the, you know, it had drama with the fantasy suites. It kind of showed you, like, how to be a mensch on the show. It showed you how to stand out. It showed you what stands out and what people don't like and what people like. So I think that would be a good season for someone to watch. I like that. And then last question before we get into a game,
Starting point is 00:46:12 your Mount Rushmore of Bachelor Nation. See, and here's the other thing. It's been a while. I guess my Mount Rushmore, I was a huge Jojo fan. I was just a huge, like, couldn't have been a bigger fan of her and the comfy, cozy sweater.
Starting point is 00:46:34 she used to wear um that was like a big thing wait what she used to always wear these sweaters that i'd be like she just looked like she was like in a charmin commercial like she looked real cozy she likes she likes a good knit sweater loved a good knit um i would say who um that guy chad i mean like he was just such a wild from her season from her season he was a wild child that guy he was wild great holidays too right i i loved um claire just because you know claire you know on her own season you're like oh i can tell like why dating's been kind of difficult like you know like you kind of watch the way she goes through these things and it's like you know and we're all in our own way and dating again like i'm 30
Starting point is 00:47:30 37 and single on the special. I talk about it. It's like, you know, I mentioned the special. Like, I'm the issue when you get to it. And, you know, also Claire was, it wasn't really fair that, and I, the audience didn't like Claire because they made her like, oh, it's the elder bachelorette. And it's like, she's 35. Like, fuck off. Like, it was like almost like this like shitty like, oh, here's what we think of the audience thing too.
Starting point is 00:47:54 What was her promo? Her promo was the Dustin Hoffman movie. Yeah. The graduate. Right. And you're like, um, I. I'm older than this person. Like, am I going to pass away soon?
Starting point is 00:48:06 Like, you know, like the way it was talked about. But so I really liked watching Claire. And I will say Ari is one of those like underrated bachelors because his season, the way it ended with Becca and Lauren, I think her name was. Yeah. That's one of the more wild endings to any season. Like the idea that they all signed that he signed up for that like well I was I was following that season like I was I was going on the next season I remember getting the call like a week before and watching that and thinking oh this is fake like this is all fake like this has right right be real and that's I went into the show thinking like oh this shit this has got to be fake and then I get there I'm like oh no it's it's not right it's it's it's it's it's just such a that ending like and i'm giving a uh of mount rash more of just like memorable people
Starting point is 00:49:04 at this point you know from when neither of us made the fucking list but he talked shit about us how do you feel about that too that's okay i got paired with horngris so i'll take that instead of mountrashmore horngrie i'm doing that on stage tonight i'm gonna give it a show i don't know if horngris isn't a good enough word for it but we'll see but yeah no no no those there's nothing against you just i guess like i love the messiness of the when the show gets messy is when i'm like And it's just when I'm just like, ooh, again,
Starting point is 00:49:32 Pilot Pete's mom might be on that Mount Rushmore for me. Like she was just such an intricate part of that season. Like in a way that was like chef's kiss. Like there was nothing like Pilot Pete's mom. You'll never be able to recreate it. No, it's really when they get, they almost get lucky with people like Barb or Chad or even like Claire Crawley is like
Starting point is 00:49:53 amazing TV. She's got an amazing personality for TV where it's things that like you can't plan some of this. You could not have planned for Ari picking Becca and then being like, never mind, I'm going to go back and choose Lauren. You can have some help orchestrating all of that, but like you have
Starting point is 00:50:09 to kind of just get lucky with someone doing something kind of crazy. And yes, I'll do it on camera after we're done with the show. Like what? Yes. You're out of your mind. Yeah. You have to be though. That's what's great about the show. You've got to cast people that are out of mind.
Starting point is 00:50:25 All right. You want to do game? Sure. Rapid questions. We got a quick game here. We do this with all of our guests. Are you ready? Let's do it.
Starting point is 00:50:34 So we've got some rapid fire questions to help our listeners get to know you better. Starting with what is the first thing you do when you wake up in the morning? I lean over and check my Instagram notifications and I'm not proud of that. Honestly, thank God. That's your answer. Every guy from charity season has been like, I write in my journal. I smile. Shut up.
Starting point is 00:50:55 Take deep rest. I do my gratitude. I'm like, this is the healthiest group of people I've ever met. Like, I'm immediately scrolling on social media when I wake up, which I'm not proud of, but that's the truth. Those are the biggest liars I've ever met. I wake up. I roll over. I look at Instagram. I look at texting. I look at Facebook. I look at Twitter. And then I look at a water that's been on my, you know, my bedside table for eight years. That's what I'm doing. Okay. How do you like your pizza? I love a well-done mushroom and onion pizza. Love, love that. All right, what is the best dating advice you have ever received?
Starting point is 00:51:35 Ooh, the best dating advice I have ever received is, oh, I'm trying to think. You know, make, I think it's, you know, rapid fire jared rapid fire here i know this is i think it's more you're ruined the game here it's first thing that comes to your mind this is a deep question i think it's make sure you're happy you're excited for the next step you know if you're not excited for the next step then don't do the next step at all got it's i like that what is your go-to cocktail oh i i've been really deep in the dirty martini game lately i've been drinking dirty martini a lot this is i'm what they call an alcoholic so i really
Starting point is 00:52:23 we'll drink everything and anything. And I've moved on, you know, vodka soda, I'd have a tequila on the rocks, but right now a cold, cold, even with ice chips in it, dirty, dirty martini. It's nice when you get on a
Starting point is 00:52:39 new kick. Right. I'm really kicking with a dirty martini right now. And I like it cold and in a martini glass that's way too big. I started drinking dirty martinis when I went on the Bachelor because they're not high in sugar and they're not carbonated.
Starting point is 00:52:56 Dangerous. Oh, my God. Yeah, yeah. When I first started drinking them on the show, I definitely had a few moments where they were like, okay, Serena, that's enough. Who is one person living or not that you would like to have dinner with? Oh, I would love to have dinner with Adam Sandler. Yeah, that's a good answer. He seems like a nice guy.
Starting point is 00:53:20 I feel like you guys would get along. I feel like that would be a funny dinner to be. Yeah, I would really like to just meet him, you know, and like, I've heard that he's sent messages to some people I know of like liking their stuff and like, you know, I'd love to hear what he, I have a whole bit about Jewish women on this special and I would love to hear what he thought. Yeah. What is one word or phrase that your friends use to describe you? I don't know. I hope it's nice things. They probably say, um, one word or phrase Long shitter Nice
Starting point is 00:54:00 Always on the toilet Wow Your friends are way different than my friends Should we end that question? Is that the last one? We're going to end We're going to leave you We'll throw one more
Starting point is 00:54:14 I'll throw one more What is the current screensaver on your phone We'll end it on that Oh it's a picture Of New York it's a picture like the skyline which is I you know at my core I'm a basic
Starting point is 00:54:27 basic basic bitch that's me at my core just you know having you know what are they called pumpkin spice lattes all day you know dancing around the city and you know
Starting point is 00:54:42 the West Village all night so that's that's me at my core and there's nothing wrong with that Jerry I can't wait listen I'm proud of it I'm sitting it's coming sooner than you think It's coming.
Starting point is 00:54:53 All right, Jared. Thank you so much for being here. Let our listeners know where they can find you in about your upcoming special. Can't thank you guys enough for having me on and being so gracious. I'm going to have a Netflix special, which is like the dream come true. It's called 37 and single. It's premiering on August 15th. Relatability is what I do.
Starting point is 00:55:15 You know, if you go, have ever read my stuff or seen my tweets or seen my stand-up, that's what I do. It's about dating. dating it's about breakups it's about my parents trying to fix me up it's about the bachelor it's about eating and body issues and all that stuff so if any of those and jews so if any of those subjects speak to you i think you're going to love it so august 15th netflix it's called 37 and single and i'm at jared fried on instagram so thank you so much i really do appreciate it of course and thank you uh to our listeners for tune it in don't forget new episodes of the bachelor i air every monday at eight seven central on ABC and then stream the next day on Hulu.
Starting point is 00:55:51 Yes, and make sure to tune in to new episodes of Bachelor Happy Hour every week. We are going to have some great guests on. We've got all kinds of exclusive interviews coming up, so don't forget to subscribe. Thank you again. Everyone, do not forget to go follow Jared on Instagram, listen to his podcast, watch his comedy special. It's going to be hilarious. And we will see you all next time.
Starting point is 00:56:11 Bye. I'm Dr. Scott Barry Kaufman, host of the psychology podcast. Here's a clip from an upcoming conversation about how to be a better you. When you think about emotion regulation, you're not going to choose an adaptive strategy, which is more effortful to use unless you think there's a good outcome. Avoidance is easier. Ignoring is easier. Denials is easier. Complex problem solving. Takes effort. Listen to the psychology podcast on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. On the latest episode of Next Question with me,
Starting point is 00:56:49 Katie Couric, I sat down with Jasmine Crockett, Democratic representative of Texas. She's holding out the fort for her party in one of the most conservative states in the union. I think that ultimately, who will become the Democratic nominee for president will be someone that has been out there and has shown that they won't allow themselves to be punched and just say thank you. Like, they will punch back. Listen to next question with me, Katie Couric on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. I was diagnosed with cancer on Friday and cancer-free the next Friday. No chemo, no radiation, none of that. On a recent episode of Culture Raises Us podcast, I sat down with Warren Campbell,
Starting point is 00:57:29 Grammy-winning producer, pastor, and music executive to talk about the beats, the business, and the legacy behind some of the biggest names in gospel, R&B, and hip-hop. Professionally, I started at Deadwell Records. From Mary Mary to Jennifer Hudson, we get into the soul of the music and the purpose that drives it. Listen to Culture Raises Us on the IHeart Radio. app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This is an IHeart podcast.

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