Bachelor Happy Hour - Sean: Politics and Kat Fights

Episode Date: August 19, 2025

Today on Happy Hour, we're sitting down with Sean from this season of Paradise! We get things started right away by diving into his first few moments on the beach; how did he wind up choosing Jill for the date? What was that connection like for him? Then, we get into him meeting Allyshia, his thoughts on Jill's departure, and how he wound up making out with April during Birds of Paradise! And of course, we get all the piping hot tea on this week's explosive episode. What truly went down between him and Kat before and during this fight? How did Sean and Allyshia ultimately decide to self-eliminate? We get into it all, plus, we find out how Sean felt about Allyshia's Happy Hour interview where she spilled her what ifs to us about Dale. Tune in now to hear all this and more and be sure to subscribe so you never miss an episode! See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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who gives insight into her candid new book, including why she waited two years into marriage to come out. I never envisioned being with a woman. I'll just be honest. Like, when I close my eyes at night, every night, I was like, I need to find my prince charming. Like, it was never a princess. Make sure you listen to this episode is politics on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. Hey, everyone, welcome back to Bachelor Happy Hour. I'm Joe. And I'm Serena. And we are here today with Sean. Sean, welcome back to Bachelor Happy Hour. Thanks for having you guys. Excited to be here. Of course. Yeah, you, um, quite entertaining this season, I have to say, I'm, I'm a Sean fan.

Joe loves you. You know, I appreciate people that are willing to just be themselves and, and be on TV. And regardless, good or bad, you're, you're putting yourself out there. So I find it very entertaining. Thank you. I was trying to be as authentic as I possibly. I'm pretty much the same, like on camera and off. So like, I didn't think, I think a lot of people go through it and they're like, everyone

wants to be on TV. No one necessarily wants to make a TV show. If that kind of makes sense, where everyone's so focused on like, oh, how's it going to look? Is Bachelor Nation going to like me or not? Like, you know, I'm just in a situation where it's like, there's half a million dollars on the line. I'm going to do exactly what I think, you know, the right move or like what puts me in the best position. But I appreciate Joe that you're a fan. It makes maybe one in the entire world. So we'll see. All right. So you go on Paradise the last, the last season, correct? You were on the last season of Paradise? Yeah, season nine.

Yeah. What made you want to come back? The AC, new, new location. I think it was kind of an easy choice. You know, I knew if I, like, watched it back, I'd have FOMO, not going to experience something new, like a brand new resort, a new production team, new concept, I guess, from a show standpoint. And I always have fun when I'm filming.

It's so unique, so different than what my day-to-day is. So it's kind of an easy choice. Yeah, yeah, that makes sense. so you get there did you expect not to be original cast um no I kind of thought I would be original cast not just from like

what was it going on I was more like the day I flew out there I was like I'm probably going on first because it was the beginning of like when we started filming so I kind of expected it I was really kind of disappointed when I was an original cast but in the end I think it worked out better for me in terms of like going at the right point

but yeah I expected to be OG cast originally. So you get down there, what's that first day like? Wow. First day was really tough. So when I got down to the beach, I was kind of like training myself to interact with humans again. Like I felt so uncomfortable, like talking to people.

I had no idea the dynamics going into it. I did really feel uncomfortable. It took me about a couple hours, maybe two to three, where I then I finally kind of settled down a little bit. It was more myself, but it was definitely nerve-wracking going in. And this time around, like normally, you just come in with a date card and you're just going to pull people this time you come in get a chance to meet everyone before you take someone on a date so I didn't really know what to say

or do when I got there I was like oh hi guys I'm Sean I don't know if you know me or not but great to meet you and then you know one thing led to another yeah who did you take on a date Jill right yeah Jill and why why Jill's fun like when I got there everyone's talking about like coming in late I was the last guy to arrive on paradise um I think yeah pretty much um um When I got there, it was really, the only people open were Jill and like somewhat Alex at that point. And I remember the first night I got there was hanging out with Jill. We just had like a fun banter. And the date was like an ATV date where you're going through the rivers of Costa Rica.

You kind of have to have a certain, you know, carefree attitude to have fun on a date like that. And Jill was like the perfect person to take. We had a blast. Going into Paradise, was there anyone that was on your list of people that you wanted to meet? I think a few caught my eye but honestly this time around I made it a point not to like basically research or reach out to anyone it was kind of I wanted to make my own assumptions of people but also I feel like last time I put so much pressure on myself to make it work with somebody where this time I just kind of wanted to go in and see what was going to happen I really didn't

have like a long list of people I wanted to meet I just wanted to go and see who I really vibe with was it hard getting down there because a lot of people coupled up really early this season Yeah, I think so. It was really hard. I don't know, like going back to it, I don't know necessarily who I would have coupled up with, but I was there first day, but there definitely wasn't a lot of people pulling me for chats at that point. Like I literally was like Jill. That was basically it. So it was a little bit difficult going in this time around as compared to, I think, previous seasons, more people are open a little bit longer. At least that was the vibe. This time it felt like after week two, everyone was like locked down. It was kind of a unique situation for like Bachelor in Paradise. I would say after your date with Jill where do you guys stand yeah me and Jill anything romantic happening we were definitely more like friend vibes and even on the date like we didn't really kiss we had a blast like me and Jill have a certain similar personality where we can like you know kind of mess around have fun banter a little bit and we definitely vibed in that way but in terms of romantic it wasn't really that romantic at all and like we had a conversation I think the day after that date where

it's like I don't necessarily know if like I'm feeling anything in terms of romance. Like I enjoy spending time with you and like we'll see how it goes. But we kind of knew we were better off as friends. And I feel like Jill probably would say the same. We see with the Birds of Paradise activity, you know, one guy comes down at a time. They're pulling their girl. We see you come down and you opt out of pulling Jill and you go for April. Walk us through that decision.

Okay. that night's a little blurry. So back up a little bit. The Birds of Paradise Night is a little blurry for the group. A little blurry. So when we were going down, you're like picking out your outfits and I like was first in. So I actually got like a decent outfit compared to some of the other ones there.

And I'm getting hyped up, getting ready to go make a fool out of myself on national television. So having a, you know, a few drinks. All of a sudden we have like a massive thunderstorm for like five hours where we're just stuck in our room doing nothing. So then, you know, the drinks keep going and five hours later I'm like ready to go like diving full into this

this journey and when I was going to do my dance like Jill and I danced together but I had planned to do like a body shot off April because I thought that was going to get the crowd going and I'm honestly not the best dancer so crowd work might help my favor in terms of performance I and then yeah we made out but it wasn't like I ignored Jill I think that was just like kind of how it how it looked but it really wasn't like that okay so you did pull Jill for a little moment, and then you also pulled April. Well, like, the way it was worried is, like, the girl's supposed to stand up if, like, they got aroused by the person.

So Jill stood up and we, like, had danced around a little bit, which was great. But I also, like, had the moment where it's like, I don't really want to, like, blur the lines with Jill in a way. Like, listen, I made out with April. I'm totally down to make out with Jill, you know? So, like, I just didn't want to blur the lines in that way. So for the bit, you know? but um so like i just didn't want to have like have any confusion like we were friends and that was

totally fine and um like she's an awesome person were you get what you're saying like you had established that it was a friend connection you didn't want to them polar make it a romantic thing in the game and then maybe generate some confusion whereas like obviously april you know there's less risk of confusion there yeah for sure was there a chance of any confusion with april dang honestly at that point um thinking back to the that week like if alicia didn't come down and it was just like me and like april i i might have given her my rose i mean i probably gave it to joe that point but like totally would be down to hang out with april and have fun she was so much fun so like such a carefree attitude and like really interesting too um so i totally would

have you know coupled up with april you know i had basically nothing else going on i've been fun I kind of wish that would have happened. We do see Alicia comes down. You're kind of being introduced to her at the same time. Every guy comes down and is like, oh, there's a new girl here. We know that after the game, you and her had a conversation. Tell us about that conversation. Yeah, that conversation's that night.

It's still a little bit blurry. I don't know if it went too well. I remember, like, being very intrigued by Alicia. And there was something about the way that she, like, carried herself. there's like this elegant presence to her. I kind of described it as like Princess Diana-esque. Like it just captivated me in a way. Obviously, your eyes are stunning.

But it was really like not, probably not the best conversation at all. At that point of the night, I was definitely, you know, probably should have went to bed. But we did have a much, much better conversation than next morning. And that's where it kind of like solidified, I guess, our interest in one another. Were you shocked when Jill sent herself home that night? And do you think it was because Alicia came in? I was really shocked in the moment because like when Alicia had came in, like, Jill disappeared right after like the Birds of Paradise dance.

It wasn't like she was around there. She's like right to her hotel room. So I didn't even see her after that had kind of finished. So when she came out and said she's leaving, I was kind of shocked because like I don't even know if I had like I think I had just spoken to Alicia for the first time like 25 minutes before that. So it's not like it was, you know, hanging out kind of ignoring her situation. And it didn't go well either.

So you're kind of like, fuck. I actually, like, I remember having that conversation is like super serious. And Jill's like, Sean, I'm leaving. And I remember just like coming off dancing. I'm like, oh, no. Like, it was the worst reaction possible. But yeah, I was kind of confused. And truthfully, with Jill is not, I don't necessarily think it was me and like Alicia.

I think it's more the culmination of like not only this experience on Paradise, but last experience and just kind of was the tipping point with that date. and everything that was going on. Got it. Okay. So when Alicia was on our podcast, she had mentioned, so she ends up choosing you over Dale,

but she had mentioned that her and Dale would have coupled up at the beginning. How does that, how do you feel about that? Yeah, that was definitely tough to hear. I don't, the way that it came off,

like I took it as if she said, like meant she was going to end up with Dale at the end. and I think she might have been trying to explain in the beginning, like, if she got there at the first day. Yeah, I wasn't there. And I think that's kind of what she meant to say, hopefully. But I think it came off as, like, a finality type thing in the end. And so, like, when you do that and then, like, you leave in a relationship with someone and then you, you know, hear other stuff, like, on a podcast. Like, yeah, it definitely, definitely hurts.

Yeah. Yeah. The way I took it was if she was down day one or two and then Dale, was also down day one or two, they had a lot in common that they might have ended up coupling up. But it's definitely a gray area with the comment. So yeah, I'm curious if we ever get clarity on that with her. But definitely an interesting take. I mean, do you think that her and Dale had a lot in common and could have been a good match? No. Like, I don't think so. I mean, like, this was what was weird for me because even like hearing that comment and like watching it,

like the show is like portraying like there was that like spark or whatever like they were like thinking about it i never once thought that like i felt so secure with alicia the entire time like even if like heard dale and cat were talking or just heard dale like wouldn't even think anything of it so it was kind of like a almost like a jump scare watching it back and you know i've always tried to give grace with people on the show because you never know how things like look in an interview what questions they're getting asked or and even like to come to alicia's defense a little bit Like a lot of the interviews, that was like right the day she got there. Like it wasn't like later on in the season.

It was like the day she got there, that's her first reaction. I was like, you know, probably 15 glasses of champagne deep at that point. Like I would probably be okay with her saying that she might have a better conversation with Dale at that point. If it was like later, that would be a different story. But yeah, it just sucks to here regardless, you know? Yeah. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly. and now I'm seriously suspicious.

Oh, wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now, he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone. Now, hold up. Isn't that against school policy?

That sounds totally inappropriate. Well, according to this person, this is her boyfriend's former professor and they're the same age. And it's even more likely that they're cheating. insist there's nothing between them. I mean, do you believe him? Well, he's certainly trying to get this person to believe him because he now wants them both to meet. So, do we find out if this person's boyfriend really cheated with his professor or not? To hear the explosive finale, listen to the OK Storytime podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. All right, West West, Prop here from Hood Politics with Prop Podcasts. You already know our get-down. If you grew up in our urban areas of comfort of struggle, you understand politics much more than you giving credit for. Fans taking over American. cities government hop-out boys hopping out the van snatching up your theo in them two wars that was supposed to be solved in 24 hours jerry just out here mandering all over the place the turfs and of course the epstein of it all well this week we decided to shoot our shot and boy did we pull up from the logo to see if we could get somebody to come tap in with us and the one and only jamil

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It goes from a dating show to now. a dating show slash competition show. There's 500,000 on the line. You, as we see, especially in this current episode, you're really playing the game, which is understandable because it is now a game. Who else was on the same page as you, not just like where you wanted to vote, but as far as like, oh, this is a competition now. Yeah, it was, it was strange. Like the reaction, even when it was announced it was $500,000, I was psyched. I was like, this is really cool. So I get to do the same thing we're doing currently, but now there's a chance to win money at the end. I was like, this is an awesome, like, fun opportunity.

People's reaction to the money was, like, shocking to me. Like, there was people complaining about it, too. And I'm like, guys, like, I've done Paradise before. Like, we're doing the same thing we'd normally be doing. It's just now there's money involved. It's going to be fun. And I think most people had in their head that it was either, like, love or money. And, like, that was never the way it was explained.

You can have both. It's just the reaction was crazy. And I really do think a lot of the people, and for like maybe the detriment of the show, they come on, but like they're so worried about how they're going to look. Like they're so scared about what Bachelor Nation is going to think. Like, oh, if I'm like interest in the money, they're going to be mad at me. And it's like, I just think that people care too much about what other people think. And you should just go and like have fun.

And the money was an awesome twist. And I thought it was a really interesting element to the show. I agree. But who out of the rest of the cast was playing the game? So I completely just went around the question, John Matt. There was, and the thing is, like, when we have off days behind cameras, when you're actually not filming, people were more interested in the money, and then they're going to camera and switch up. So, like, I think you saw in the episode like Jonathan Lay, like, oh, we should tell people we're not a strong couple because, like, you know, we can stay on longer. Like, there was a lot of that going on.

No one was just like open to talk about it. Like it was just like behind closed doors type situation. And when we have dead days, we're not filming. people are into the concept of the game and i was like guys have you like seen survivor like just like watch like a game show like it can be fun and like entertaining um it just felt people like scared scared to like commit to like the the competition yeah it is interesting i'm loving this element especially in this episode of people that have not signed up for a game show maybe never would have been like cast on a competition show frankly and now are like forced into the competition

element and who is like leaning in. I like love the Jonathan and Leia element where like they're not really in a relationship but they are kind of trying to like play the game. For me personally, if I'm in a couple with Joe and he looks at me and goes, I don't care about the $500,000, that doesn't mean anything to me. I literally don't care. Red flag. I'm sorry.

Like red flag. Or you better, or you better have a lot of money. Yeah, you better be rich if you're going to look at my face and say I don't care about half a million dollars. So there is this kind of like, like, tell me if I'm right, it like feels like some people like this holier than thou mentality of no, I'm here for love because my heart is pure. And then people are looking at you and some of the other people as like, how dare you care about the money. Yeah, it was nuts.

And like it's half a million dollars. It's not like 50K where after taxes, you know, like whatever, it's like 25 maybe, right? Half a million dollars. Like, do these people make that outside of the show? I can guarantee you no. Like, you know how long you have to work to make that? Like, that's a really, really good year's worth of work there. And I can win it on a competition show that I had no idea I was going to be in money

element. Like, yeah, the whole year that that approach is the best way to describe it, Serena. Because, like, that's what it felt like. Even when I was saying some of the stuff this episode, I'm like, I'm not being mean. Like, at least like the cat thing might be a little bit mean. But before that, it was never like mean. I was just like, it doesn't make sense strategically to not think this way. Like, who does it benefit if you're just.

going around to the next week. And I think a lot of people are just trying to buy their time until they got voted off. And like, I'm not going to just sit around and wait for someone to come chop my head off. Like, I'm going to try to protect myself and do something that would give us some sort of security. Do you think Brian telling Bailey about Jeremy was a game move or a friend move? I think it was a little bit of both. I think, I think strategically it might have been into his favor. But I'll tell you what, the whole situation, I'm glad you brought up, Joe. Because no, I was thinking strategy from the moment they said, this is a competition show. So to go back into like last episodes when Brian brings up all the stuff and everyone gets mad at

Brian, I think a lot of people, truthfully, I didn't have a problem with Brian, but a lot of people didn't like Brian. Like they did not like Brian. So when it came from him, they immediately turned on him no matter what. And he was right to tell Bailey because like watching it back and you find it out on a TV show, it's, that'd be awful. Why didn't you tell Bailey? I came in and I wasn't even there when Sousie was there. So I wasn't even there for the phone call. I really had no, like Jeremy brought it up to me one time in the pool. And I think it was like three days after I had gotten there.

And he was like telling me like everything that happened up that point. He's like, yeah, no, I like, she laughed. I called her. I was like, what do you mean you called her? He's like, yeah, I just called her. I was like on camera. He's like, yeah, like in an interview. I'm like, you're an idiot, dude.

Like that is definitely making it. But then I kind of forgot about it. Like I literally like, I wasn't around for all like the Brian like talking to Bailey. That night I had no idea. I completely forgot about it. And then that one night everything blew up. And I was like, oh, geez, I guess like Jeremy never brought it up. I thought it was squash.

It like never came up after that moment until everything came apart. Gotcha. Walk us through your parliament of paradise strategy and how you picked who you wanted to be in this alliance with and like how you envisioned it going versus how it actually went. Yeah. Great question. So when I started to do the math on how many days of Paradise remaining, because you have like a finale date, right? When we're stopping filming, there was like five days left, like maybe six.

I'm like, we're voting off people at a Raptor right now. I was like, I'm fine this week, but like next week, it's going to be me and Alicia. Like I knew that. Like, no, like, if you see the way it went, like, that was kind of the way people were going to go. So I was like, if I wait until next week to start doing stuff, it's going to look like my backs against the wall, like they're not going to trust me. If I do it in advance, I think the people would trust me and they would know that I would have their back going in to try to set up like the final four.

And like truly it came down from I was friends with Kat prior to the show for like two and a half years. I knew Jeremy beforehand and Alicia was friends with Alex and Bailey. They were from their season. Like that's kind of how it came out. And then like at the end of the day, like Spencer and Jess, like I don't want to go up against them in the end. Like however this is going to end, whether it's like, I don't know, like the audience votes. I'm not going to win the vote against Expenser and Jess. If it's like the jury, like, let's say a jury comes back in votes.

I'm not going to win that if I'm going against them. So like trying to like facilitate Alicia and I up to have the best success moving forward. And like the people I involved, they'd all like expressed interest. Like, and that was like where it was kind of shocking the way it came off. They played downplayed it. And I think that they kind of caught on that no one else was like thinking strategically. So then they like backed out. But like each one of them was like game off camera two degrees.

agree like I was like what are you thinking about this like yeah I agree all this type of stuff and then like when it came actually time to like put it out there and like do it completely backed out and then that's what you kind of see happening yeah I feel like the energy that's going on is like the people that are in the strongest couples are safe and they're going to slowly pick off the people that are either in a friendship couple or not in a strong couple until it's basically only the serious relationships left. However, we then see them vote out Brian and Preeza, who from an audience perspective are in a much stronger relationship

than Leah and Jonathan or Kathy and Keith. How do we get from point A to point B? Yeah, it seemed like, again, like I would say kind of the holier than thou approach type situation. Like they didn't like Brian, they vote them off. Like, I don't understand where the concept went rye. it was kind of selective on terms of who they put that on to. Like, oh, Jonathan Lai are cool with people because they won in their season.

Like, they're not going to vote them off. But, like, Brian and Pre-Surf are a fair game. So that was, like, a little bit interesting in terms of, like, how we left the plot and voting out, like, picking off couples. But, like, the thing is, like, we were going to get down to a point where everyone was a couple. So, like, how are you going to vote then? Like, it's just automatically that if you were there earlier, staying longer, like,

that didn't make sense to me. Like, there was probably stronger couples that may be formed later. So it was the whole thing was a little bit confused. and no one was thinking like a couple steps ahead it was only like in this moment like this day how are you going to feel and like I was trying to think a little bit further down the line I think I think you're kind of like the victim of this being the first time the show does this and because you went so and you did go you did go a little too hard with the strategy because that just put a that put a target on your like if I was down there and then people are like let's just go Sean and

the numbers were on you I'd be like yeah he's an easy target just get it off me because I think that's a big part of the game element too is like as long as it's not me i don't really care who it is because i'm just trying to get to the end um but you see you get pretty worked up over cat which seems pretty reasonable because we see in the episode kind of clips of you standing up for cat she also did come on our podcast and say going into the season you guys were good friends and that she would like call you about guy stuff and you would call her about girl stuff so what goes wrong yeah great question um i actually don't even know if i still know the answer to that and like the way i described friends in this world is like i have like my

bachelor nation friends that i'll see at an event i'll see out if i'm in their city but i'm not like calling them to like hang out you know cow was like a real friend like outside of this like we would talk pretty frequently on the phone like you know we caught up before paradise like when she was in tampa for the holidays like met her um like met her some of her her sister i think so like she was like an actual friend and I don't know like I really don't know I think that in her mind I was trying to get people to turn against her which was like never the case like if I if I didn't win I want a cat to win like the money um and I think it was just a game of telephone and I again I don't necessarily know all the details because you don't get to see everything but I think it was

more so like you said Joe where like people are trying to put the target off their back so then that shifts it on to me it's like oh yeah he's going to do this he's not you can't trust him all that type of things. But yeah, it kind of went awry. And then I just felt like pretty betrayed at that moment. And I was like, uh, the one person I thought I could trust. But I actually don't even know what, what honestly happened. Like, I don't know if I'll ever truly know the situation. Yeah. Watching it, she definitely seems to hesitate on wanting to speak to the fact that you guys are friends. And it does feel like she is calling your character into question. I think she says, like she feels like you're not moving with integrity.

And she's really, really upset by the conversation, as are you. I guess my question is like, do you think it was miscommunication? Do you think that if you had maybe not moved in such a like aggressive strategic way, this wouldn't have happened? Like, what do you think was the fuel to this fire? I think it was a combination of everything. I think that the strategy portion, like to make a good analogy, yeah, I went hard on the strategy. but I describe it like the Seahawks, like throwing a pick to Malcolm Butler and the goal line in the Super Bowl.

Like everyone went back and was like, that's a terrible move. You shouldn't have done that. You should run the ball. But if it had worked, it had been a great play, like, had they, like, bought in, it would have created like an element of, like, security for like all the couples within that, especially Kat. And I think it was more so that she thought I couldn't be trusted in general because I was talking so strategically. But in reality, the only people that should have been mad about that were Justin Spencer. Like Alex and Andrew, like Bailey and Jeremy, Kat and Dale, like you were a part of like the group where I wasn't trying to like get people voted off. Like I was going to protect you.

So I think it was more so people trying to get the target off the back. Once they like saw, I was rubbing people the wrong way, they like piled on. And like there was some stuff that I got told that people thought I said. I was like, I never said that. Like I said, I was like saying mean things to Jonathan. I was like, I never said anything mean to Jonathan at all. So I think it was just a game of telephone that spiled out of control. And then it came to a front with the cat conversation.

My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly, and now I'm seriously suspicious. Oh, wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now, he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone. Now, hold up.

Isn't that against school policy? That sounds totally inappropriate. Well, according to this person, this is her. boyfriend's former professor and they're the same age. And it's even more likely that they're cheating. He insists there's nothing between them. I mean, do you believe him? Well, he's certainly trying to get this person to believe

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Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. How did it feel when she went back to Dale and then Dale and you kind of got into it? I mean, what am I going to say to Dale? Like, I mean, we've seen, like, kind of this. I was like, I'm sorry. I didn't want to get into, like, an argument with Dale over something that I'd even know what Kat said.

Like, she said, I cussed her out. Like, I don't think I cussed her out. I think I used a cuss word, like saying I've never, like, death and do that to you. But, like, at that point, like, I didn't even care. Like, I was, if so, I felt so betrayed. No one was, like, looking at me. No one was looking at the eye. No one would come up to me.

Like, it was really awkward. I just wanted to go with Alicia and, like, just be done with it. The whole situation. So I kind of just like, yeah, I'm done. That's not even worth an argument. Were you part of the idea to just self-eliminate? Why not just like get eliminated? Like it kind of looks like when Alicia kind of steps up and like me and Chon are going to leave as a couple, we're going to self-eliminate.

Like it kind of seems like, well, you guys were going to get eliminated anyways. Like why not? Yeah. I think it was more so like not giving the satisfaction. It's like you didn't vote us off. We left or no. But in reality, they're going to be. that we were done anyway um but yeah it was like whatever like we're done and like alicia felt

betrayed by our friends too like we just weren't it wasn't fun anymore like it was like i was enjoying the hell out of paradise and just didn't become fun and truthfully there was like no way we were going to like go we were we were going to we were going to be gone the next week anyway after this there's no way we're like staying so it was just time to go if you if you would have won because you guys almost won so if you did stay next week and then won you stood a chance that we had yeah won the competition we would have to win a competition and like i had some great ideas if we won like believe me the strategy element so this was funny taking your foot off the gas well i think people like and people have came to me afterwards like i probably should listen to you

a little bit more like towards the end because obviously know how it ends but um i wanted to be able to like control the game in a way right and there's certain elements to it where you could like have an impact in the voting without just yourself So, for example, like, the way it was worded was when you won a competition, like, you got to hand out the first rose. In my mind, and this is, like, how deep it went, I was like, what if I hand it out to, like, another guy? Like, everyone's voting for Brian.

What if I handed out to Brian? Then he gets it to Prisa and everyone thinks we're safe. They're not voting for us. Now I get another rose at the end. And you can kind of, like, manipulate the vote that way and, like, get people out. Like, that's how deep we're talking about guys. You're on the wrong, guys. They should.

They should. We do see Brian gets, Brian gets a little worked up and he's like, I'm going to, you know, in his interview, he's like, I'm going to slap this kid right now, referring to you. I don't, I don't think he was serious. But yeah, like, what was his issue? And you guys had a conversation and how did that end? Yeah, it ended up like fine. Like Brian, like Brian was mad that I was like, he thought I was trying to get a voted off. And like, I was last week for sure because I thought like strategically why we voicing a vote on Kim, he's gone.

that following week I was like when he had the conversation with me like it actually makes sense to keep him here and I told him straight up was like dude I don't have a problem with like what you did with Bailey I don't have a problem with you as a person like this is a game at this point and like strategically like it kind of like we're getting down to the end and like after that conversation me and Brian were cool like no no problems at all like it probably looked like he was upset he probably was but a big point of this is anytime once I started talking strategy anytime I would have a conversation with anybody or they people were like oh they're talking strategy. I could be talking about like the bird and people would assume like I was talking

about peptides one time with Dale and like everyone's their talking strategy. And it's like that type of like telephone game basically happened. But no, Brian, me and Brian, we had that conversation and then everything after that was was fine. What do you wish you'd done differently? I think a lot of it, I wish that I would have been a little bit more aware of like where people's alliances were. And I think looking back at it, it was we were me and alicia we're in a really tough spot from the get go i was the last guy to come in she was the last girl i had zero people from charity season there i had none of my friends like my true friends outside of this no one was there um i didn't have a roommate all these people

had roommates in their room one another like i didn't have anyone it was just by myself so like when you add that element to the game like we were really far behind probably should just like shut up once in a while and just like kind of played in the shadows a little bit more but my that was a part of the strategy too. because, like, if it got down to the end and I'm, like, open about it and I'm not stabbing, like, my friends in the back, which I wouldn't have. Like, then you might be able to, like, win, like, a vote from, like, the audience or, like, however it's going to end. But, yeah, probably just shut up once in a while, but, you know. I think, I think you were kind of, like, you know.

Damn to be damned if you didn't. Damn if you were fog. The only shot you had really was if you and, you guys almost won that, that competition. If you would have won that competition and then you could have locked somebody in on your side for being a little loyal, which in competition games, no one's loyal. But that would have been your only chance other than that. Yeah, you don't have a roommate. You guys were the two last people in. So you're the easiest to vote out.

Like it's just so easy to just be like, yeah, well, we didn't know them prior or we didn't know Sean prior. Like he just got here gone. And that's like. And Alicia and I, like, we were from Tampa. Like so everyone was talking like, oh, like why do you guys need to be here? you just go back together and it's like everything was stacked against us um so yeah we were like you said we were fucked basically so you send yourself home where do you stand with alicia when you leave what are the conversations you're having are you going to try to continue the relationship

yeah um me like when we got sent home i was so excited like we were going back to tampa together like we had talked about leaving a relationship well prior to us getting eliminated and i think looking back like we were spending like every night like sleeping the same room together like all those like meaningful moments even like the episode where kim gets voted off like i had like a mini date where i'm like putting a blindfold on her feeding her like chocolates and stuff like that like there was all these like integral moments to our relationship that like really built it up i didn't really see it at all but i was excited i was like we had to go back and like hang out with her i found like thought i found like the most amazing person i was like incredibly excited about our relationship um so yeah i like

couldn't wait to get back to Tampa. All right. Well, we can't really touch on where your relationship status is now, but I think that really covers everything. Sean, thank you so much for taking the time and coming on the podcast. Thanks, guys. It's a pleasure talking to you again. I don't think we'll probably have this conversation again in the normal setting, but we'll see. Probably not. And to all our listeners, thank you guys so much for tuning in the Badger Happy Hour. Make sure you download and subscribe to the podcast. We will have new and exclusive interviews every single week. Thanks for listening. Bye. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly, and now I'm seriously suspicious.

Wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, luckily, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend's been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone. Hold up. Isn't that against school policy?

That seems inappropriate. Maybe. find out how it ends by listening to the OK Storytime Podcasts and the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. All right, West West, Prop here from Hood Politics with Prop Podcasts. You know I get down. You come from the urban areas, you understand politics more than you giving credit for. Between Jerry out here, Mandarin all over the place,

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