Bachelor Happy Hour - Self-Care, Redefined | Golden Hour

Episode Date: December 18, 2025

On today’s episode of “Golden Hour,” Kathy and Susan are talking all things self-care and what it really means at this stage of life, from spa days, skin care routines, red light therapy, and anti-aging treatments to the less obvious (but just as important) forms like hobbies, rest, and making time for yourself. They also share what self-care looks like to them now, why it matters more than ever as we age, and how taking care of yourself goes far beyond the surface. Tune in for an honest, refreshing conversation about prioritizing yourself — inside and out.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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That's givedirectly.org slash happiness lab. Welcome back to Bachelor Happy Hour's Golden Hour. We're back. Thanks so much for joining us. We are so excited to be back. Kathy, how are you today? The truth be known, I am freezing. In Austin, Texas, sunny Texas, it's 41 degrees and raining. But I'm great. I've gotten so much done today. Got up at 5.30. I'm feeling like totally energetic. That's because you went to bed really early. I remember calling you last. Well, I did. I did go to bed early, but you know what? Here's the deal. It doesn't matter what time I go to bed.

I wake up three hours later. Go back to sleep, wake up three hours later. Do you remember the days, Susan? Do you remember the days when you could sleep through the night? We're going to, you know, this is the good segue because today we're going to get into all things self-care. Okay. So before we get started, Susan, you got to tell me, what does self-care mean to you? That's what this episode is all about.

Self care to me is taking the time to treat my body the way it should be treated, whether it's giving myself a facial going to have a pedicure, like take time out to take care of me. Washing my face before I go to sleep at night is really the hardest thing I've ever done. I have to wash my face before I watch TV or it's not going to happen. because I'll fall asleep on the couch. I would, we're going to get into the specifics of what we do, but for me,

the 20,000 view of self-care is doing things for myself without feeling guilt, without the feeling that I should be doing something for someone else. That's the 20,000 view for me because... Why would you feel guilty about, I'm sorry?

Why would you feel guilty about doing something for yourself? Well, let's just, just say when you have grandchildren or you have errands to run, it sometimes, Susan, for me, it comes down to, am I going to put a mask on or am I going to, you know, get something ready for dinner or plan for the next day? In other words, sometimes it's an either or. And for me, self-care is doing the or for me and not saying I should be doing something else. But let's dive in. Let's dive into this whole topic and we'll see what comes out of this. First off, how does self-care change from when you are younger to when you're in your golden years?

How is your self-care different now than it was? Right off the bat. I didn't need so much self-care back then. Oh, wait. Now I got to do the red light. I got to do the this. I got to do the this. I got to moisturize more.

I have to, it's way different. So you, so that's interesting. In your definition of self-care, it sounds like, or what you just said, that it has to do with beauties, facial care, skin care. And for me, self-care is such a bigger topic. For me, let me finish. Wait, let me finish. Okay.

The other things that are really important now when I'm golden is having, time to just sit and and just whether you meditate or it's a hot bubble bath and just have quiet time right because I have so many things going on at one time it's critical for me because a lot of times I neglect that part and I'll do it when I'm on an airplane or I'll do it when you know that is really really important that you take time for yourself whether you're doing absolutely nothing right so So I jumped on that because you were talking about, you know, washing your face and doing a red light. And for me, self-care can, it's all those things.

It's also getting massages. I get a massage regularly. I get a, you know, I get a facial once a month. But in general, for me, self-care for me is taking an hour out to sit down and read a book. Or, you know, I left a needlepoint. There's things I know I need to run an air and I need to. get over to the bank and do this or that. I know I said I'd pick up something for my daughter or my son, but you know what?

I'm going to sit down a needle point for an hour. Is that you relaxing? That's your enjoyment. It's self-care. It's a time for me to just do something for myself. And I think when we, I know you and I each have three children, they're grown, and we both have grandchildren, but to answer that question, when I was younger, I don't even, I mean, if I got self-care, if I took any time for self-care, it was at 10 o'clock at night

after the dishes were done, the lunches were packed, the laundry was put away. I mean, I maybe snuck 30 minutes to read a book or... I couldn't. I mean, this is what I'm saying. I would pass out. Well, you know, I do have a lot of energy. Where in your golden years, I think it's, we have the luxury of time. even though you and I work part-time, even though we take care of our grandchildren, sometimes

we help out our kids, we do lots of things, it's just we're able, I think, at least I am, to build time into my day to do things just for me. And when I had kids at home, I was the last person on the totem pole. My kids came first, then it was my husband, what he, He needed. Laundry, clean the house. Well, and just spending time with him, which is self-care for the relationship, but it wasn't doing something just for me. Yeah. Something I need to do more of.

All right. The next one says, what's something you think a lot of Goldens neglect to take off? Wow. Didn't I just say that? Too tired. To take care of. To take care of. For me.

My experience has been lots of Goldens don't take care of their physical, their bodies. They just don't take care. They're too busy, you know, I don't know what they're doing. Because to me, that's another form of self-care for me. You know, today I have a day from hell. I am my son-in-law and my daughter are both out of town. They have a babysitter staying with their daughter, but they want me to go over and check on her.

So I've been rushing like a mad woman all day to get stuff done so that I can get over there this evening and make sure everything is okay. But you know what else I did? A simple phone call won't do? She wants you to do it in person. Oh, yeah, because this is the first time when she's only two, and this is the first time when both her parents are gone out of town.

So I'm going to go over there and read her stories and, you know, Kiki's going to come to the rescue. But you know what else I made time for? I drove the half hour to the gym. I worked out for an hour. I came, drove a half hour home. Like, that is self-care. I'm making time for the gym.

Something else will have to go, by the way. You always keep up with that. Wait, Susan, don't you want to know what I'm not going to do today to make time for the gym? What you're not going to do? What? Cook. You never cook. That doesn't count.

That absolutely does not. What do you think? No, I'm serious. I'm still eating leftover. to be honest. Wait, I read in the paper or heard it on the internet or something. Today was the last day. So eat up from Thanksgiving. Get rid of that stuff. It's over. Okay, friends, real talk. You are worth the wait. We've all been there, giving our energy to connections that didn't honor ours and watching friends do the same. And honestly, we all deserve better. That's why Bumble is built for intentional dating. Safety is such a big deal for us all. especially when meeting new people. And Bumble gives you the peace of mind with options like photo and ID verification.

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to lead a summer of militant protest against logging practices in Northern California. They were climbing trees, and they were sabotaging logging equipment in the woods. The timber industry, I mean, it was the number one industry in the area, but more than it was the culture. It was the way of life. I think that this is a deliberate attempt

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What do you think to Golden's neglect? What's one thing you think they neglect? To take off their makeup at night. Seriously? You, you, all right, Susan, truth serum time. You get too tired. That's one of my pet peeves. Wait, do you go to bed without taking off your makeup? I have many times. Yes, it's terrible, and I see it in the morning. There's such a difference. But to take time, I've got to do it, like, especially if I'm just at home and I had something to do during the day, so I had to put a face on. If I have nothing to do, there's never makeup on my face ever. Okay, well, this is, this is crazy because this goes right into the next question, which is skin care is all the buzz right now.

what's the key to taking care of your skin that everyone should know about and what's the truth by anti-aging so go for the first one first what is the key something that i just adopted in my adult adult adult life what is sunscreen oh thank god you said that big time sunscreen that is that is that is if you aren't using sunscreen go back to start do not collect $200 go to jail you know No, you have got to use sunscreen. The other thing is... Not... Moisturizer.

Well, that's not only sunscreen, but cleansing is so important and exfoliating at least once or twice a week. Well, these are the things I try to rush in my schedule, and half the time I'm so tired. That's why I like that bubble bath night, Kathy. I have products around the tub. I got music playing. It's my time. I was talking to Sue, but fast up, girlfriend. I was talking to you on the phone the other night,

and I cracked up laughing because Susan and I are chit-chatting on the phone and she's got all this stuff laid out, remember, to give yourself facial, and then she said, I'm too tired, I can't do any of this. I'm not doing it. You can't, if I already have moisturizer or anything on my skin,

like I use the retinal at night products, then you can't use the red mask. I knew that's right. You schooled me on this. I wish I didn't know, because I was doing fine. Okay, so those Wash my face in order to do the red mask. So can I just tell you? You're right.

I did school you cannot have any products on your face when you're doing the red mask. And you know what I do? I swear, because I do it for some reason, doing that red mask sort of makes me very sleepy. So it calms you. It calms me down. So what I do is you're going to laugh, Susan. I leave on all the lights. I go around and turn on all the lights upstairs.

So I have to get up. And so then I brush my teeth. I put on the moisturizer, the eye cream, all of those things. That's how I do. I bring the eye cream, the night cream, and I put it on my nightstands so I don't have to get out of bed. And I tell Ziggy to touch the light. Oh, that is so funny.

I mean, I don't know. I feel like I do think the, the, we should, by the way, who's ever listening, we want free new red we want new eye masks there um but i honestly i think a lot about i spent a lot more time on my face moisturizing i you know eye cream doing masks doing scrubs doing and she gets a facial once a month i'm not so lucky i'm not so fortunate i do but you know what else i noticed kathy tell me i have the driest feet i get a pedicure every four weeks oh wait a minute i'm I'm sorry. She gets a pedicure every four weeks. I have to.

But I use a foot cream, and if I notice, like, now in the winter, they're not as bad because you have a sock on, but if I'm barefoot, no, I'm never barefoot, but flip flops or sandals, the skin is so dry. That's something that happened with age, okay? My cuticles are dry, all of that stuff. But here's the truth, I think, about anti-aging or, you know, aging, whatever. Aging, you're not going to escape it. None of us are going to escape aging. However, there's two things that I think are really important. The truth for me about anti-aging is you're going to age. So accept it and take it with grace. But also, that's the truth. That is the truth. But if you take care of your body, if you do the things for your face, if you, you know, get pedicures and facials and massages and you do. do those things, I really feel, and stay out of the sun and use sunscreen, I really feel like,

and get lots of exercise, we can delay the effects, the negative effects of aging. Do you think so or not? Well, when you take care of yourself, yeah, some people age very differently, though. I also believe it has a lot to do with genetics. You know, I know people that have totally taken care of themselves and I look at them like they're some some people just have more wrinkles than other people I have more wrinkles than you but I was a sun goddess but wait I want to repeat that I didn't hear that could you repeat that please no I will not Susan was a sun goddess yes she was and that's why we're friends she that will never end I don't bake in it anymore I use sunscreen definitely I've been taught to reapply that was the other thing

because I've used sunscreen for a long time but never reapply. Yeah, sometimes it's only good for like an hour. I live outside. I'm cutting the lawn. I'm cleaning the pool. I'm entertaining on the deck. I have a convertible.

I'm playing golf. I'm at the beach. Susan, I do all of those things. One of the big differences, because... Did you ever see Kathy go to play golf? I wear a big flopy hat. I can't with this hat. Well, you know what?

I, unlike you, have had lots of skin cancers. from damage and I haven't sat in the sun since I was 28 so I just threw the short card on that one but no you have you sit with me on the beach when we travel I and I wear I I'm the girl that wears 50 sunscreen and puts it on every hour and a big floppy hat on my head I mean I come home with the most sun I had was when I did paradise in Costa Rica I've never seen well I use tons of sunscreen but you know when you're in the sun every day all day that's my point but you can't help but get tan yeah well you're not in the same and in a good way because you're using sunscreen.

All right, so Susan, how does your body change as you age and how can you care for? Tell me, how's your body? I call the plastic surgeon because that change is quick, man. I told you about my back. I was looking in the mirror I tried on this dress and it had a low back. I said, oh, my God, when did that happen? I have a sharp pay. You know, the skin on the sharp.

Kat, I remember telling you the story. I was like, when did this happen? Have I been exposing this all? this time. So here's what I think. I want to be put on a stretcher and stand really, really tall so it Oh, you heard what I've said. My thing is I want, you know, we can send men to the moon. I want somebody to invent something where they can start pulling my skin from my ankles, pull it all the way up over my stomach, over my boobs, over my neck, and over my head and like tighten a knot and clip it. And she's in shape, okay? She is in good physical shape. She's strong. She lifts weight.

does everything right me her little bestie here quite the opposite well here's the thing even though you do all those things we still have skin that sags now okay so just part of it here's here's the deal as most people know or if you don't you're about to find out when i was younger i weighed just about 200 pounds which is why i'm so neurotic about training and fitness now but here's the here's the thing. My body has changed more than yours because all that elasticity, that's something that is very difficult. Yes, it's partly genetics, but elasticity gives way as we get older. And so I, that's back to the time the knot above my head with all the loose skin. You know, it's age. And I feel like. But you don't have stretch marks. So when you carry children, I know, even my own family.

family, both my sisters, when they carry children and their belly gets real big, after it goes down, they have a ton of stretch marks. I don't know. I never got stretch marks. I don't have them either. Yeah, well, I think, you know, I don't know. I think, is that genetic? I don't know. I think it may be. That gene I didn't get. Thank you very much. Well, I didn't get the gene for stretch marks, but I'm telling you, and the other thing I notice is when I, like, you know, I hurt my back recently and my shoulder. And I've just- She's lifting too hard. Yeah, I was. I actually was doing the Christmas tree, bringing that in that did my shoulder, my back in. But anyway, I'm fine now, and today was my first day back in the gym.

And can I tell you, here's another way we change as we get older. We're weaker. Well, it takes more, we lose muscle mass as we get older. So lifting weights just slows down the process. But here's the thing. You lose, the older you get, the faster you lose strike. So today, when I was lifting weights, it was hard for me doing the middle weight that I normally do like a piece of cake. So, you know, it's just.

How long did you take off? I haven't been in the gym for three weeks between my back. That's part of the reason why it was more difficult. No, that's the whole reason. It was so difficult. And, you know, he said the good news is that because I'm fit, it'll bounce back quickly, but I don't know. Okay, friends, real talk. You are worth the wait. We've all been there, giving our energy to connections that didn't honor ours, and watching friends do the same. And honestly, we all deserve better. That's why Bumble is built for intentional dating. Safety is such a big deal for us all, especially when meeting new people. And Bumble gives you the peace of mind with options like photo and ID verification. That little extra step means you know the person you're talking to is who they say they are, with their real photos, and they are ready to show up authentically.

And once you feel safe, you can actually focus on what matters, finding someone who gets you. With shared interests, it's easy to see right away who vibes with your passions, whether that's true crime podcasts, yoga mornings, or weekend hikes. So take a pause, affirm your worth,

and protect your peace. Bumble helps you create safe, meaningful connections, the kind that truly respect your boundaries, your energy, and your time. Thinking about dating again, Take this as your sign. Start your love story on Bumble. Have you ever listened to those true crime shows and found yourself with more questions than answers?

And what is this? How is that not a story we all know? What's this? Where is that? Why is it wet? Boy, do we have a show for you? From Smartless Media, Campside Media, and Big Money Players comes Crimeless. Join me, Josh Dean, investigative journalists.

And me, Roy Scoval, comedian. as we celebrate the amazing creativity of the world's dumbest criminals. We'll look into some of the silliest ways folks have broken the laws. Honestly, it feels more like a high-level prank than a crime. Who catfishes a city? And meets some memorable anti-heroes. There are thousands of angry, horny monkeys. Clap if you think, she's a witch.

And it freaks you out. He has X-ray vision. How could I not follow him? Honestly, I got to follow him. He can see right through me. Listen to Crimless on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, everyone. It's me, Katie Couric. Did you know that I recently joined Substack? It's where I'll be sharing my unfiltered conversations with the people everyone's talking about.

Journalists breaking news, politicians making it, actors we can't stop watching, experts, and a few unexpected voices who just might change the way you see the world. I'll also share what I'm reading, what I'm watching, what's making me roll my eyes, and what's giving me hope. It's a little news, a little opinion, and yes, the occasional curse word, because, let's face it, have you seen the headlines lately? So if you like smart takes, deep dives, and are also thinking, WTF is happening, search Katie Couric on Substack and hit subscribe. All of my interviews and articles are free to help everyone stay informed. But if you want to join the group chat and hear my hottest takes, well, that's for premium users only. It's going to be so much fun. I can't wait to see you there.

Again, search Katie Couric on Substack and hit subscribe. May 24, 1990, a pipe bomb explodes in the front seat of environmental activist Judy Berry's car. I knew it was a bomb the second that it exploded. I felt it ripped through me with just a four. more powerful and terrible than anything that I could describe. In season two of Rip Current, we ask, who tried to kill Judy Berry and why? She received death threats before the bombing.

She received more threats after the bombing. The man and woman who were heard had planned to lead a summer of militant protest against logging practices in Northern California. They were climbing trees, and they were sabotaging logging equipment in the woods. The timber industry, I mean, it was the number one industry in the area.

but more than it was the culture, it was the way of life. I think that this is a deliberate attempt to sabotage our movement. Episodes of Rip Current Season 2 are available now. Listen on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hi, Dr. Lori Santos from the Happiness Lab here. It's the season of giving, which is why my podcast is partnering with Give Directly, a nonprofit that provides people in extreme poverty with the cash they need. This year, we're taking part in the Pods Fight Poverty campaign.

And it's not just the Happiness Lab. Some of my favorite podcasters are also taking part. Think Jay Shetty from On Purpose, Dan Harris from 10% Happier, and Dave Desteno from How God Works, and more. Our goal this year is to raise $1 million, which will help over 700 families in Rwanda living in extreme poverty. Here's how it works. You donate to give directly, and they put that cash directly into the hands of families in need.

because those families know best what they need, whether it's buying livestock to fertilize their farm, paying school fees, or starting a small business. With that support, families can invest in their future and build lasting change. So join me and your favorite podcasters in the Pots Fight Poverty campaign. Head to give directly.org slash happiness lab

to learn more and make a contribution. And if you're a first-time donor, giving multiplier will even match your gift. That's give directly.org slash happiness lab to donate. what are the cosmetic procedures most popular to goldens and which do you actually recommend okay first of all before i answer that question can i just say how much time do we know really can we do just an episode on this first of all my daughter gave me such a hard time the first time i got Botox when i was i think i was 50, 52. Mom, just age gracefully. Can I tell you, my daughter's in her 30s, and she's been doing

Botox for several years. Here's what I notice about young ones. They do Botox and fillers and lip flips and and and and and facelifts and I mean, how much time do it have. Because it's out in society. It's popular. They do it much. However, I want to agree with younger people doing the 11s, right here, the 11s, because once they set in. Susan, you can't see. She's talking about the little lines between your eyes on your forehead, but go ahead. Yeah, from, you know, the

frown or squinting or, you know, oh, God, I just saw mine in the computer. It's probably due. I don't know. You and I have made no bones about it. We both had lower, gentle, lower facelifts. Oh, Kathy, wait. What do you think the

Goldens, what are the most popular that you think? that Goldens are doing. What's the first thing? I think facelift. I think that takes more, I think they do the eyes first, their eyelids. Facelift is a bigger thing. Now, the lifestyle lift like you and I did, not everybody even knows that there's such a thing.

I think a lot of laser, yeah, you're right, you're right. I think laser treatments, Goldens are, you know, they do laser treatments, they do microneedling. Microneedling, all those things that I can't spell, you know, C.O. two lasers and lots of fillers and Botox. So I think they start

people start with that, but you know what? Are you addicted to it? You spend a ton of money doing all those. Save your money and get the face done. We used to have to worry. It's news flash. Even at Goldens or anyone else, if you get a facelift, you still have to do Botox. It's not a complete fix.

Oh God, yes. Although, can I just say, let's take a moment. Okay. I wish I had the money. but Chris Jenner's surgeon that woman looks 19 now she was off of the society there for a good six months I think yeah to heal what did they do like redo her bones I don't she looks so amazing to me yeah no I love her right yeah I think she looks great I I mean I would do it that didn't sound very convincing that she looks great well honestly

I think she looks great, but here's, you and I are a little different. I don't want to look like I'm 19. I do. Well, that's where we're different. I want to be fit. I want to look rested. You know, I like looking younger than I am, but I don't need to look like, nor do I want to look 40.

I like my face. I don't want my face to be a whole different face. Do you think she looks different? Yes, I think Chris Jenner looks, but, you know, yes, I do. I think she does look different. I think that's a full facelift, though, you're saying, because anybody that I know that had a full lift does look a little different. Yeah.

Well, and some of the people, we're not going to get named names, but some of our golden friends have had, and remember, we saw a picture of one of them, and she didn't even look like, now she doesn't look like anything. Like she looked like when she was 40, it's crazy. I don't know. But I think Chris does. I just, I don't know.

You just love Chris Jenner. How old do you think you should be? before going under the knife. I think that's a very personal decision. I think people have to do what makes them feel good. You know, all the procedures, what do I recommend? What age should you be? The answer is the same.

When you're ready. When you're ready, when you feel like it's something you want for yourself. But here's my caveat. I hope no one out there does a facelift or any cosmetic procedure to please a man. if you do it because you want to feel better about who you are or you think it will make you feel more confident, self-assured, looking in the mirror and saying, you know what, mirror, mirror on the wall?

I really am the fairest of them all. Because it's about you. You're not happy with something, not to please somebody else. And that goes way further than just a facelift. But you know what? Your hairstyle. Women come to my chair and say, my husband wants it to be long.

I said, you don't have any hair. to be long, okay? Yeah. You have 14 hairs on your head. You need a nice blunt cut and or extensions. Go ahead. Extensions. Go for it. No, I'm not into extensions. I know they're really big, but I don't know. They're damaging those things. Well, don't tell me that because my daughter just got them. I don't know. I do. I really do think it's like my PSA for the day. Do whatever cosmetic procedure you want that will make you feel better. I don't think, I think the age is whatever you feel like it. I think you got to remember that there's it's not a fix it's not going to change your personality it's not going to it's not

going to find you a husband if you're doing it to find a boyfriend a girlfriend a partner probably not you know you know as we know that some tv personalities when their number is getting up in age and they don't want to lose their job they go get a little something done to keep themselves looking yeah i do it for me I feel better. I mean, I look at some of my siblings who have done nothing. I'm going to take heat for this too. It's downright scary. They, because, but you know what?

They haven't done a lot of self-care over the years. Some of my siblings have not. And it's sad because self-care is, we're back to that whole topic of what is self-care. It's about making yourself feel better for you. and that's what I think self-care is and self-care is also now here's a good excuse people if you want one you have to go get new cosmetics things change oh and they wear and they're not good medics and outfits next well we're going to talk a little bit about fashion how it's changed why not dress to be not just in style but for you what do you feel good okay i don't care if they don't wear those anymore

I like them, I'm rocking them. Right. But I tend to be trendy. I like fashion. Fashion goes with hair. So for us, we could tell when Paris would come out with their spring line or their next fall line, how the hair would change for those lines. It's crazy how it's all combined together.

Okay, so everybody knows that Susan has. has helped me with my hair and my fashion because I grew up in New England. And in New England, at least where I grew up, people tend to dress in lots of plaid. Just think Oxford. Yeah, you know, I mean, button down. It's, well, that's preppy. But I mean, high fashion in the circles I grew up in is what? You know, was plaid. I mean, there wasn't a lot of, a lot of, um, high fashion, what you would... Boston is plaid? Well, New England, that's a whole other

conversation for another time. But I remember, well, let me just tell you. I will tell you a quick story about fashion. So you know I used to be an educational consultant, right? Yes. Okay, I would take families from the school I worked at to look at boarding schools. So I would take a couple of kids and their mothers

and fly and I would, I knew the boarding schools. I would make the appointments. I would talk to them, show them. I can tell you the women, the mothers, I knew how to dress because I grew up there. These mothers looked like, I don't want, they, they were so high fashion, cute, you know, mini skirts with high boots on, very trendy. And the, and the direct, the admission directions would look at me, they go, where the hell are these people from?

And I would say, don't hold it against them. They live in Texas, you know, high money, high fashion, but truly. They stood out from everybody in that admissions office. Because the schools were in the Northeast, by the way. That's what I'm about to say. I come from a very high fashion area. I got New York, Philly. Like, we like to dress up.

We like clothes. We like the best shoes. Your bag, like all that. That's how I grew up. And when I go to certain places, and California, to me, I'm there a lot, is very chill. It's very California. I don't know how to...

It's not a lot of high fashion. Given my choice, I'd be in flip-flops, jeans, and a sweatshirt. But I've learned to get dressed. That used to be my biggest anxiety of, oh, my gosh, I have to go something for... You still do it, Kathy. I don't know what's aware. Yeah, but I've gotten better at picking out things I need to wear. I think that that, but let me just say, in terms of self-care, spending money on yourself for clothing, a lot of us as we get older, we don't want to spend the money.

We'd rather spend it on our children or keep it in a savings account. Who don't want to spend the money as we get older? That's all the more reason you worked, all your damn life, spend a little on yourself. Now, I don't agree with that statement. I didn't say you did. I said there were some people. Well, I'm one of those people where if I'm out shopping, I'm more likely to look at something for my granddaughter than I am to look at something for myself.

Not when you shop with me. I've never seen that. I mean, you might get something for the kids as well, but you're going to take care of yourself. I can spend money. Trust me. When I'm with you, Susan, we're on a mission to buy clothes. I'm saying if I just go out shopping, you know, I'm going to be, the first place I'm going to land is in the children's department because I'm going to.

Let me ask you something. Do you just go out shopping? Never. That's what I mean. Never. What do you say? I'm saying like when I, if I'm out. If you cruise the mall or something, you're going to go to the children.

Or I just, you know, I've got an hour to kill before an appointment, a hair appointment. And so I'm near. You would go to a mall? Well, no. I would miss the appointment. I will walk in and I'll, I'll look at the baby clothes or the, now the toddler clothes. I'll look for my seven-year-old granddaughter. You know, I look at stuff for my kids.

Yes, I have learned to do it, but I'm telling you, if I'm being honest, self-care to me, you're damn right. I get my facials, I get my hair done, I get my hair cut, you know, all those things, but self-care to me is not buying new clothes all the time. And since we're being honest here, Susan, Susan has her own professional career service because Amazon got tired of dropping 26 boxes at her door every day. for her family. That's for the children and the family and my self-care needs. I don't know. I wish I could just buy my clothes on Amazon. You know what? I buy clothes on Amazon. To be in fashion, I don't think. Let me just say, though, that is one more thing about self-care. I know that as people get older, it's a thing we could do a whole month of self-care episodes. I know, right? Wait, people,

this is one of the things that drives me nuts. Seeing people, women, particularly my age, your age, over 50. And they have on these shoes that, oh, God, please. And sometimes I'll say something. Just stick with sneakers. It's cooler. I know. They're comfortable.

I'm like, they're comfortable. They're hideous. They're hideous. But you don't say that, right? And they'll go, my feet hurt. I'm like, your feet hurt. Like, what? We could do another episode on shoes.

I don't know. Susan, I may have more shoes than you have. I do have a little problem with shoes. A lot. I do have a lot of shoes. Well, I did good this year and clean that closet out. I got rid of a ton of things. Wait, that's another thing. I still have four closets in this house.

I'm going to say self-care, Susan, for you. I want you to devote an hour a day to clean you. A day? There's no such thing. Okay. An hour a week to cleaning out your closets. Okay. They're neat and organized, though, but things I haven't worn in years. All right.

Well, we're out of time here. So that is going to do it for this episode. That flew by, Cashie. I flew by. But this was a great episode. I love doing this. Bachelor Happy Hours, Golden Hour, fashion for goldens and self-care.

What a great topic. We've got to come back and do this one again. I was just going to say that. Trust and believe me right in. Let us know what you want us to talk about. And we will. I mean, we're fashionistas. What can I say?

And thank you all so much for joining. us yet again. And be sure to follow Bachelor Happy Hour as we have new episodes, new topics, new people coming out every single week and you don't want to miss this. That's right. And all you have to do is submit your questions to us. You go to bachelornation.com slash golden hour or hit us up on socials at Bachelor Happy Hour because these two fashionistas want to hear from you. They're coming out, baby. Listen to Bachelor Happy Hour is Golden Hour. hour on the iHeart radio app or wherever you listen to your podcast. Until next time. Stay good. Take care.

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