Bachelor Happy Hour - Singer-Songwriter Andy Grammer, Plus: Savannah from ‘LTYH’

Episode Date: April 28, 2020

Music star Andy Grammer calls in to talk to Rachel and Becca about being a guest judge on next week’s episode of “The Bachelor Presents: Listen to Your Heart.” Andy discusses his early career struggles and how he overcame rejection to find success.Then, Savannah from “Listen to Your Heart” joins the show to talk about the drama between her and Julia in the house.“The Bachelor Presents: Listen to Your Heart” airs Mondays at 8 p.m./7c on ABC.Don’t forget to rate and subscribe so you never miss an episode.See omny.fm/listener for privacy information.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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You're adapting. Like an animal. I mean, yes, and you know, and it's funny, because Garrett and I were just talking about this the other night. It's like, it feels like it's been dragging on and on and like never ending, but it's also gone surprisingly fast. And I don't know if that's just because I am in such a routine. Of course, I've had my ups and downs, but I'm still trying to focus on the little things, my little wins for the day. And of course, week by week, I love recording with you. I love watching the episodes of Listen to Your Heart.

I love recapping them together because it gives me something to look forward to. And hopefully for all the listeners out there, it gives you guys something to look forward to as well. And Rachel, like I said, we've been feeling these ups and downs. We've been going like through the waves, through the emotions. But I think we can agree that there are two major things that have definitely brought some joy and inspiration to us during this quarantine. Absolutely, Becca.

I mean, I agree with you. I've definitely had my ups and downs. More ups and downs. Like I say, if you had told me we were going to be doing this last. last year, I would have been like, I'm out. I'm out. I don't know where I'm going, but I'm out. But honestly, two things have just kept me saying, besides my Peloton, because that is giving me life every single day. We call ourselves the morning mob. We run at 1030 Eastern Time, if you want to join us. But you guys are keeping me saying the fans, our listeners, and of course, listen to

your heart. I'm so glad we have some new bachelor content that's coming to us every single week. And I know last week we mentioned that we started our very own online communities with at Batch Happy Hour on Instagram and then also at Batch Happy Hour on Facebook and Twitter. And just seeing the outpour of support from you guys and talking to you guys through these platforms has really been more helpful and inspiring than I thought it would be. You know, it's like I think we're doing it for them, but I feel like they're doing it for us. And I know that we just love hearing your stories and getting your feedback. And now more than ever, it's important to just spread love.

And we want to thank all of you for reaching out and continuing on this journey with us, giving us that sense of normalcy that we need through all of this. And the second thing that we also mention is listen to your heart, which you all know, we're loving this show. We can't wait to recap it for you guys and talk to contestants and some of the celebrity judges. It's just really been a lot of fun.

And we had a new episode last night, so that means we get to break it all down on the podcast today. oh yeah like I said one of my favorite things during the weeks getting me through this and we've been having so much fun with the show and I keep saying but week by week it is growing on me so much like at first I didn't quite know what to expect I'm sure a lot of the listeners and viewers out there were like we don't know how this is going to work but now that we've actually gotten into the performances and seeing the judges and of course more of the drama I am so invested I love it I keep saying this but I want to be a guest judge on season two if there is a season two because I am

so invested. We blame Garrett. We blame Garrett. Seriously, I don't know if the listeners have heard this story, but I blame Garrett because we were asked, he was also very drunk when we were asked to be guest judges. And he's like, nah, like, we don't need to be on TV. We're good. And now we watch it back week by week. And he's like, damn it, I wish I would have said yes. I'm like, because it's an experience. It's just an experience. And I think for him, like, he's like, I don't know music that well and I think he would have felt bad judging but like you said it's just fun like it's lighthearted and I love the fact that we pair familiar faces from the show with artists and like people who have been in that world to give a different sort of feedback and viewpoint on the performances

I mean I love it um so this week we have two special guests on the show and one of them is Savannah who is involved you know as you've seen in a lot of the drama in this last episode and then we also have the amazingly talented, and I'm so excited, Andy Grammer, who you will see as a guest judge on next week's episode. Both of them are joining us in just a little bit. Before we have them on, of course, we have a lot to digest and talk about this week's episode because it was a wild one. And Rachel, I mean, where do we start? As always, we start with Chris Harrison. I feel like that's how each episode pops off, right? Like, Chris Harrison comes in and drops the bomb so he comes in and honestly I was thinking this have we ever seen this before

where Chris Harrison is basically like I'm paraphrasing but he was like you ain't got to go home but you got to get the hell out of here I feel like that's what he said but he says if you're not a couple you have a few moments to figure your shit out and if you're not a couple then you have to go home I feel like maybe that happens in paradise around fantasy suites but this happens I mean, we're only on episode three at this point. He's basically like, you ain't got a connection. You got to go. But I love it because I feel like it was towards the, this is the essence of the show, right?

It's about couples making music together. We don't need anybody, the stragglers. Yeah, and you do see people scrambling and everyone's like, oh, shit. Like, what do I got to do to stick around? I will say, though, I appreciated the way Gabe kind of handle it. And he was like, okay, I don't have a super strong connection. I kind of have one with this girl. Let's see where it goes.

And obviously, it didn't go anywhere. Unfortunately, he went home when she turned him down. But I like how you, what's the phrase? Like, cut the fat or trim the fat early on to really get to what this show is about. And that's forming connections, forming a relationship, and making, hopefully, beautiful music. But I think it's so interesting that you bring up Gabe because it was true. Gabe could. He gave his rose to Ruby last week.

So he could have just said, okay, Ruby and I are going to work this out and we're going to keep moving forward. But he was very honest with himself and with Ruby and with Savannah and was like, this is the own, Savannah, you're the only person I can actually see a connection with. It's either you or I'm going home, which you don't really see that on another batch of franchise shows. You see pity roses, pity kisses, pity hugs. You know, it's, it was nice to see, like you said, Gabe just trimmed the fat. In this case, was himself. But I appreciated the honest. And like every time we watch the show or watch a Bachelor show, we were always like, who's here for the right reasons? And I felt like he was. Like he took it seriously. And it unfortunately didn't work out for him. But like he wasn't messing around, which I appreciate. I know. I feel like if there's a redemption rose, like if they allow people to come back, it should go to Gabe because he did it the right way. Even though it sent him home, it was right. So yeah, we see Gabe go home. He eliminates himself because Savannah's just basically like, I just see you as a friend.

But you could tell her that was really hard for her. She was really upset. So I can't wait to actually talk to her about that a little bit. She handled it well. So Gabe goes home. Ruby goes home. And Ruby's like, I didn't get a fair shot. And I'm like, well, Ruby, you came in the second week that people had already made their connections.

You gave us love as a losing game last week. We appreciate you for it. And maybe we'll see you on another show. I don't know. So then we get into the meat of it, the drama. And I have to hear your take on this. Julia, Savannah, Brandon,

Sheridan, like, love rectangle, whatever it is. Love Square. I love quadrant, if you will. I,

okay, I have so many notes. And I just, and I said this in the podcast last week. Julia is starting to rub me the wrong way. And that grew exponentially in this episode. And, I have such an issue with, and we're going to dive into this conversation between her and Savannah,

when Savannah's on the line, but I have such a problem with somebody basically talking shit about somebody else saying that they're fake and that, like, their intentions aren't pure. When literally, Julia, at the last roast ceremony, you flat out said, I want a roast from Brandon. If I don't get it from Brandon, I don't know what I'm going to do. We saw how that went down. You didn't get a roast from Brandon. And then you made out with Sheridan two seconds later. And now you're talking crap about these other contestants.

It's like you're doing what you're talking about. And I have such an issue with it. Nell on the head, what she's accusing other contestants of doing, not being here for the right reasons, just doing things to stay week by week. Are you not doing that with Sheridan? Because you're jealous over every single move that Brandon makes that doesn't involve you. And then you're pulling Sheridan along.

And it's so sad. I mean, yeah. There was, Julia, I mean, starting with the basics, Julia's a ham, which stands for hot ass mess. That is what Julia is. I get, I cringe, I get frustrated every single time she's on the screen because it's such a roller coaster, an emotional rollercoaster. And it's like, what do you want? Just say you want Brandon. Brandon has clearly at this point, we see him say, I feel like I haven't given this relationship with Savannah, a fair shot.

So I want to go all in and see if we can make it work. Now, Julia wasn't privy to that conversation, so she's watching it on the outside. So we, as the audience, see that Brandon and Savannah are trying to give it their all to see if there's really something there. Meanwhile, Julia is labeling it as fake, and she's like, you're giving so much PDA. And I'm like, well, they're a couple. A couple. Why are you watching? Why are you watching? What's Sheridan doing? And we've seen this in any other show, any other Bachelor, Bachelor, Bachelor, and Paradise show, like, the more somebody fixates on another person or another relationship, like, that's when the downward spiral happens. And that's what we're seeing happen with Julia. But she doesn't want to admit it. She's so fixated on a separate couple that she's not even focusing on, like, what she's really there for. She's just talking smack on Brandon. And, and, and. And, and. And Savannah, I was going to say Sheridan.

There's just, like, it's just such a mess. And I don't think Julia truly knows what she wants. I think she wants to try and stick around for a little bit longer and, like, work the right angles to do so. But I don't think in this situation, I don't think it's Savannah or Sheridan who's being fake. I think it's Julia. I 100% agree with you. What I find interesting about Julia is Julia thought she had, after that rose ceremony, because, you know, she keeps referring to that night he told me, you know, that he was glad I got a rose because I'm still here in the morning he, in that morning he reassured me the same thing. So Julia really thought Brandon was for her. And that's why she was like, hey, Savannah girl, I'm just looking out for you. He is so indecisive because she thought Brandon was going to come to her. And then when the flip, the script flipped, she was like, well, wait a minute now. This isn't how it was supposed to go down. So, you know, she played herself, basically. So, but I know we have so much to talk about.

dive into when it comes to that drama. So we'll save that for Savannah because we get to hear it actually from the horse's mouth. You know, she can give us the details. Oh yeah. So then we see, so I think what, just backtracking a bit, when Chris Harrison also comes in and tells them, hey, only couples have to stay. He also lets them know you're going to be doing live performances and you're going to be doing them in front of celebrity judges and also Bachelor Nation couples. So they're all excited and they're realizing, wait, now we're taking it. up a notch. We've actually got to perform with each other and other people are going to

critique and judge us, which we see Jamie break down from that and her nerves basically get the best of her. Which I feel like, you know, I like Jamie. I like her a lot, actually. But I can see that she's 21 at the same time and how she handles things. And that's what we touched on last week.

Like, Jamie, her age is starting to show. And she just, I think she just doesn't have, obviously just doesn't have, as much life experience, performing experience as some of these other people, other contestants. And she's amazing. Like when she actually performed, she, like, she took over. And the judges loved her, the audience loved her. Like, she's so good. I think she just needs to build up that self-confidence and have a little bit more faith. And, like, no, sometimes you're going to fall flat

on your face. You're not going to have the greatest performance. But she's so wrapped up in, like, ruining her performance for Trevor, which is like, I get that. Like, yes, you are a couple. And, like, you guys both want to shine together and build each other up. But, like, she just needs to have more faith and confidence because she's awesome. When she opens up her mouth and sings, she's so good. Somebody just maybe needs to, like, sneak in some CBD oil before she does that to, like, calm her nerves a little bit. Kapari.

And I'm a sponsor on the show. But I will say, I do appreciate all the dynamics we're getting when it comes. to musicians and artists because not everyone is super confident a lot of people have their insecurities for various reasons and so it is nice to see different sides of it you know as wonderful as we think that she is she's still suffering with her with her own insecurities which we see come out later in the show so i know you're excited becca because we had two dates this week and one of them is with your girl so i am so curious as to what you thought about danny and beckes date with stylist Rebecca make because there's there's there's there's a lot to get into with that one

there is and had first like when they first walked in to this lovely mansion with all the clothes around their their excitement was so cute and that's what I'm like oh they're cute and then about two minutes later I crossed that out and I was like this is awkward and this is a friendship and like God bless them for trying for trying to see what what could potentially work I just don't think Becca was feeling it. When they were in that hot tub, I was like, oh, she is not into Danny. And fast forward to their actual performance, you still just feel a friendship. And that's really it.

No, no spark. No spark. And I kept wondering, why haven't we seen Becca? Why haven't we seen Danny? Got it. Got that was all. That was my note. Got it.

Totally understand. Don't need to see them anymore. We can move on from Danny and Becca. I feel like we needed that date just to see why we hadn't seen them. on camera yet. So then Natasha and Ryan get a date. And it's at the House of Blues and we see Chris Lane. It's a Chris Lane performance. And then we see Lauren Lane, formerly Lauren Bush now. So it's cute to see them together as a couple. They're newlyweds. What did you think about Natasha and Ryan? Do you think they mesh well? No. I don't. I don't. I and Rachel, I know you love Ryan.

I feel like he's your guy that you're rooting for. I just don't think, and I wrote this in my notes, because I think that they just seem odd together. Like, Natasha, and I'm all about strong women and, like, being, like, women can be the strength, the backbone to a relationship, but I just don't see them meshing together. Like, it just feels off to me, and I don't know what it is. And I, and I kind of saw that in the performance, and we'll get to that. and Jason Morass touched on it, too, where, like, Natasha could take off. I just, I think that it's another thing where it feels like more of an alliance where, like, they like each other enough to try and, like, stick around another week and to do what it takes to slide by.

But I don't think, like, theirs as a relationship that would actually last outside of this. Yeah. I 100% agree with you. It is, something is off. But I love Natasha because she's stunning. and her voice is amazing, but I always feel like she's performing. When she's having a conversation with Ryan,

she's on. She's performing everything she does, she's on. And they haven't even hit the live stage yet. So I think that's what it is too. We've seen another side of Ryan when he was with Jamie and he was very endearing. And honestly, the best he sounded to me was when he was singing Gravity with Jamie.

And I haven't seen that same, I guess, like I just haven't seen that same artistry since. He was with Jamie. And so I don't know. maybe Natasha makes him, she is a powerhouse. Maybe she makes him feel a little insecure. Not sure, but I 100% agree with you. So we get to the live performances.

This is what we've all been waiting for. We hear people singing around the house. We hear people practicing. Oh, can I just, wait, speaking of people practicing, if I had to watch Brandon and Savannah sing that damn song one more time, sharing that one microphone. Can we get them two, please? Can we get them two microphones?

I said, first of all, I don't even think they sound good, but I was like, I cannot, and it's not Savannah, it's Brandon. I have huge issues with Brandon. I was just like, we get it, we get it. They're singing. Julie is listening. Sheridan's alone. Okay. Stop. Put on to the live performances. What was going to say? I, and this is why I wish I was a guest judge, because I feel like, I don't know if I, like, put on my Simon Cowell hat and, like, felt like my judge side. come out, but I will say, I don't know who's picking out the songs. I don't think it's the couples. I think they're just given these songs to sing. Some of them I have issues with. I don't, this is going to, I'm going to get so much flack for this. It's going to be a very unpopular opinion, but like, the Baxter Boys song, we could have picked such a better one, people, like something with more depth and power. And I felt like some of the songs, some of the songs were great. Some of the songs didn't necessarily do it for me,

but I felt like they were a safe performance song to do for like this first round of performances. Yeah, I'll actually agree with you. I wasn't a huge fan of the song choices either. I really went, especially the, well, we'll get in the live performances. We'll give like a yay or nay if we like their song or not.

Okay, so our girl, first live performance, I mean, can we talk about setting the bar high? Rudy and Matt, I feel like this is the first time we've really seen Matt sing. They were amazing. together. Very, very good performance. The judges clearly liked it as well. I didn't think they were more performing than I felt like they were had that romantic connection. It was like we work well together. We're a team. We know they like each other, but that didn't come across in the performance

to me. So starting out, and this is something that I wrote in my notes, before they got on stage, you kind of see Rudy a little bit get in her head, have the nerves come out. And the first thing I wrote was, Rudy, don't let me down because I wanted her to stick. I did not want her to get into her head because I, like, it's no surprise. Like, she's, I think one of my favorite singers on this show. She just, she has a voice like Velvet and it's so beautiful to listen to. No, I thought that they did fine together. I thought it was a good performance. I thought like Rudy carried it. Yes, Matt, like he has a great voice. He had the guitar. But I felt like she stole the show in that one. Yeah, but I think it was designed for her to steal the show.

So I actually appreciated the role that Matt played in it. And I thought he sounded amazing. And I was like, oh, maybe we're really hearing from Matt this time. I thought he played his part. And I think that sometimes in a relationship, and as a duet, you have to play your role. So to me, they did that really, really well. Chris and Bree, it's like, I feel like we don't spend much time on Chris and Bree because were like, they're in love, they're in sync.

It's a safe bag to chew in. Yeah, like, oh, you know going into it that, like, there's going to be that connection. Like, them out of anyone is the strongest couple. I do love Leon Bridges. So the song choice for that, I was like, yes. I loved that song. And, yeah, you could feel it. I mean, like, you could see fresh off the bat that, like, they're into each other.

it was a safe, not, I don't want to say a safe back, because I feel like that, like, diminishes, like, their relationship, and I'm not saying that at all. Yeah. But we know that they're getting roses. They're going to go on to the next week. They're fine. And I think it was Chris who said it's about the relationship first and then the music. And so they might not have had the most, the strongest performance out of everyone, but they definitely had the strongest chemistry. And even Jojo was like, oh my gosh, the way you, Chris, look at Brie, like, find you a man that looks, like, that's the meme, right? Find you a, a man that looks at you the way that Chris looks at Brie. Period. Even Jordan was like, yeah, yeah, that's it, you got it. So on the next performance, because we're going in order, I realized that I had been tapping my foot and smiling and kind of grooving, and then I stopped when it came to Beckham, Daniel. I was like, something's off. I'm not moving anymore.

So first of all, didn't like the song that they sang, hey, ho, by the Lumineers. It wasn't a fan of them together. They sounded like they were singing two different songs. What did you think? Becca's voice is great. Yes. Good. So before the judges even chimed in and gave their take, I wrote friendship and underlined

friendship. That's what it felt like. And I felt for me, they just didn't align like Danny. I felt like he was like smiling so happy go lucky. But it was like he was putting on that extra performance. Like he was putting on the act to be like, yeah, we're so good. happy and it just like you could feel it was off you could feel like there wasn't anything more there which is obviously just like from their date anyways nothing nothing to write home about and with that

performance obviously because we don't see them going on to the next week which like you could have called it yeah savannah and brandon they saying i want you to want me by cheap trick didn't like the song choice for them i didn't either there's no depth to that song. It's just, it's very baseline over and over repetitive. Like I didn't feel, it didn't stir up any sort of emotion. And, and I think that was because of the song choice too, not, I mean, we'll get into like their relationship, but the song choice itself just wasn't up on, what is it, like on par with some of the other choices. It was like fever. Like when I saw them, I was like, are we sing a fever again? Or are we singing I want you to

want me? It did. It just didn't resonate with me. Jojo and Jordan, I thought it was interesting because they said that it looked like Savannah wasn't into it. That's what I get from Brandon. He is more into holding that guitar and playing that guitar more than he is in connecting with Savannah in the duet. Also, he makes really cringy faces when he sings, and it bothers me. I'm sorry, I know that could be a part of him singing, but it bothers. The cameramen, you know, the cameramen are ruthless.

There's one point where he makes a face, I'm making it for you because you can see me, Becca. It's like this. And the camera zoos. in on it. Like, just in case you didn't see, we're going to get a close look on Brandon because he's hidden his note. I guess. There's a big memes made about this face now. And he's attractive, but it was like, oh. Rich, you said it last week on the podcast just in like the way he performs in his voice. You said he's very theatrical. And you start to see that now in his performance and appearance. Like he, so Brandon for me, I don't think he's the

strongest singer in the bunch. Compared to some of these other people, I feel like he's just not on their level necessarily. I think he can sing. He can hold a note. That's fine. But like you're on a musical singing show. And I don't think it's on par with like Rudy or Julia. Now, I feel like he kind of forces it when he performs when he sings. I feel like going along with the theatrics, I feel like he just pushes. Like he's pushing through to the next note. Now, people, I was in choir back in the day, so I don't really know all that much what I'm talking about. But, like, there were times where, like, my choir teacher was like, don't push so hard.

Don't push so hard. And I felt like that's how he is when he sings. Yeah. No, totally agree with you. Remind me to rewind to the part that I'm talking about. I'm a screenshot and send it to you. Julian Sheridan, as long as you love me, a classic by the Backstreet Boys. What did you, were you impressed? Because the first time we saw Julia and shared and saying, we were like, wow, that sounded like it was a recording. What did you think this time? The song choice did not do it for me. I, okay, and listen people, I know this is an unpopular opinion. I love Backstreet Boys. I grew up with BSB, but the song choice wasn't there for me. I felt like, again, it was very baseline. There was no depth to it. And yeah, when we first heard them sing, when Julie,

a first saying at the radio station last week, she blew me away. Like, she was one of my top favorite singers, just vocals, like, so freaking good. And this, like, they did fine performing. Like, the judges liked it, but it just, it wasn't, like, I didn't feel it. I don't know. Something was missing for me. You know what? I think it was. I think it was their version of it. You know, they started off slowing it down. And I was like, no, this is a classic. Like, you, I kept going, okay, when they were singing, and, you know, there's that one part. where they're like, they didn't even hit that.

Everybody sings that, no matter where you are. And I just, I didn't like that they slowed it down in the beginning and then sped it up to the normal beat of the song. I think that was a little off for me.

I thought Sheridan though sounded great. It was Julia, who was a little bit more often, we know that she's gone through some things this episode, so maybe she was just in her head. But what I was more focused on was Brandon.

Brandon looked like he was like, he was like, that's the person I need to be singing with. Because I feel like Brandon is navigating this. Like, who can take me the farthest? Who has the better voice? And I think he was watching Julia and he was like, you know what? I think we'd probably sing better together. Yeah.

No, I agree. And the camera, that cameraman, he keeps panning. That's Brandon. And you see him kind of standing behind Savannah and his face like, he's smiling, like, oh, this is fine, whatever. And you know, inside he's like, damn it. Like, it's just eating him up inside a little bit. Who's the cameraman?

Who's the shady cameraman? Dougie? Martin. It was definitely, Dougie. You know he's getting in there. But, yeah, it's, I mean, they did fine. The audience loved it. Jordan and Jojo really loved it.

I think that was my favorite part when Jordan was standing up dancing in the background to it. Jordan loved the song choice. He didn't love the performance. Yeah, exactly. So, I mean, I think we just have to leave it to the background. extra boys to do that one, people? Yes. Okay, so Ryan and Natasha. Natasha's amazing.

I mean, like, let's just, Ryan did, he might as well not even been there. And I hate to say that because I think he's insanely talented. But he's falling off to me every single week. I expected, I know it was her. The song was about the female voice. But Ryan did not anything to it. He looked good in his suit, though. I like that pretty soon.

Their styles don't match. They're singing styles do not match. And you can tell that fresh off the bat. I also think, Ryan, yes, he's talented, but he, does anyone notice he sings so slow? Every time he performs, it's like, I want him to, like, pick it up a little bit. And in my mind, I'm like, oh, my gosh, he's going to, like, miss the next sentence, like, the next verse because he's, like, so slow. So I just want him to pick it up a little bit.

Yeah, he was, yeah, it was, it is what it is. The judge just called it. We all saw it. Natasha killed it. I'm expecting more from them. next week. I hope that Ryan takes in what the judges told him this week and applies it to the next week. Last but not leaves Trevor and Jamie. I was shocked they were the last performance. I thought we were going to get like a more power house performance. I thought Jamie sounded

off in the performance. I, like, I've heard her sing better to me. It was so pitchy that maybe that's a choir term or an American Idol term I learned. It just didn't, they didn't connect to me, but I will say her story and her journey to get from writing in her room to the stage was the most powerful part of her performance. Mm-hmm. I think, well, and I will say, I think they went last because of her nerves. I think to, like, build it up and to amp up how nervous she actually was. Yeah. They had to make her wait and be like, oh, shit, we're going to sing in front of not only the judges in this crowd, but like all of the other contestants, too. I think just between the two, I think Jamie, like much of these women in these in these couples, I think Jamie stole the show. Like, Trevor did fine. But between the two, I think she held it a little bit better. I just think, like, vocally, she just, she's amazing. I think she just needs

some, like, fine tuning. And I think, like, sometimes too, God, I'm, like, trying to act, like, I know what I'm talking about and I don't. Go for it. But you notice, like, the, the, fluctuations in the voice that like some vocal artists will do like to make it more I don't know stylish whatever you want to say like pitchy maybe um there was just a lot of that for me in the song and I don't know granted like I'm not I don't listen to country so I don't know this song I'm not going to lie I didn't know it either I know country fans are going to come at me but uh you know who Marin Morris is yeah exactly so and I don't know how she performs it if it's like very similar with like the ups and the downs and that fluctuation.

But there was just, sometimes I think when there's too much of that in songs, it takes away from the song and the performance itself. Yeah, it wasn't, it wasn't, I thought Trevor actually did better in this performance. But hopefully they'll improve to the next week. And hopefully this is like what Jamie needed to get it out of her system. Like, okay, I did it. I'm stronger than I think. I can do this and I have a strong support system.

That's what I do like about their relationship. Trevor supports her, and that's what she needs. And she acknowledged that. So they're cute. They're cute together. Okay. So Becca and I have given you our take and what we thought in watching it. But wouldn't you love to hear from somebody who was actually in the house, who was actually, no other way to put it, in the middle of the drama?

So let's get back to one of the most jaw-dropping scenes from last night when Julia pulled Savannah aside to confront her about being, quote, disingenuous, which I feel like, is a new bachelor term. Becca, on your season, the guys kept using that. I had never, no, granted, I didn't really watch the show a lot before, but I had never heard people use it as much. I thought, do people even know what it means? Why is everybody say, it's like one person said it, and now everybody is disingenuous? But I think it was on my season. It was either like Colton or Jordan who started saying it, but I think they used the wrong term. It said, like, disingenuine. Oh, it's probably Colton. There was like a toss-up between disingenuous. and disingenuous and disingenuine. So I'm hoping that on the podcast we have the correct term,

which is disingenuous. It is disingenuous. I love that you recognize, too, that so many people use that word on your season. I don't know if it made them feel smarter or what once they figured out the correct way to use it. But I don't know. I have so many opinions on this, and I know our listeners do too. So we decided to do everyone just a solid. Why not invite Savannah on the show to just go ahead and talk it out with us. So, ladies and gentlemen, please welcome Savannah McKinley to the show. Welcome to the podcast, Savannah. Now, we're so happy to have you on the show today. You know, we want to get a little bit of the behind the scenes, the tea, if you will, because last night's episode was just, of course, wild. We saw everything go down. We saw the drama between

you and Julia. And of course, we have so many questions for you. So let's start and talk about what everyone wants to know and get into that confrontation between you and Julia. Savannah, is she as nutty as she seems? I wouldn't say nutty. Nuddy's probably not the word that I would use. I think Julia is, Julia is just really strong. I think Julia is highly motivated, I think maybe opinionated. And the way that she comes across can seem a little aggressive.

And so that conversation literally brings me back. I'm like, oh my gosh, because I know that her intention probably wasn't necessarily to attack me, but I also had a hard time figuring out what her motivation was. You know, like when you have a confrontation, it's either, hey, I'm a friend that I lovingly want to get to the bottom of this because I think the way that you are is maybe hurting yourself or hurting others, or you've acknowledged something and you just, you either want an apology or some sort of resolve, you know? And so this conversation was really difficult for me to navigate because I don't think

based on what she said, there was any intention of a resolve. It was just, I think you are this way, period. And I was like, I don't, I'm not really sure what to do with that. Well, I don't think, just from what we've seen, I don't know, Julia even necessarily knows what she wants or what she was hoping to get out of that. Maybe it was just to get how she was feeling off of her chest. But the part, when she starts off that conversation and says, look, I wanted to send myself home or go home because of you, that in itself just kind of shows like where she's at. Because like you came on the show for a reason, whether that was to find a partnership to grow musically and maybe boost your career or do both. That's one thing. But to just want to go home because of a relationship that she says she doesn't care about or that. she's not invested in it's like that what you're saying isn't lining up with now what this

conversation is about and like why she's even having it in the first place and so i mean when that happened and she says i'm not into brandon i'm over it did you believe her no not at all i mean but to your point if you have absolutely no emotional investment in what the subject is it wouldn't even be a topic of discussion so i wanted to go about that conversation When she started it that way, it's like, okay, look, I can tell you're highly emotional about this. I can tell that your feelings are very strong. And so I never wanted to come off as hateful or rude. I really just knew that, like, this does mean something to you.

So let's navigate around this so we can come to a conclusion. Do you feel like you came to a conclusion, though? Because I will say, yeah, I will say you hint. She was on one level and it was almost like you were so mature and not matching her there and just kind of calmly trying to talk to her about it. and then and you just answered the question there wasn't a resolution see if that had been me and she said i'm not here because or i wanted to go home because of you i would have said do you need me to help you pack that's a question i would have asked oh my god where were you in that moment

but savanna the way that you handled it and navigated it you like i love that you just as rachel said said they're calmly and you were like well why why is what i'm doing in my relationship affecting you so much and it shouldn't be and that's the thing like if she's over brandon if she's trying to figure out whatever she is with sheridan like that should be her focus it shouldn't be it just felt like she was fixating on it so much because she wanted something and you know like we've all been there we've all like wanted the thing that we can't have but i think like it wasn't fair for her to come at you and call you disingenuous that how many we got a count how many times the word disingenuous came up in that conversation.

Y'all. It was like the buzzword of the house. Yeah. Well, Rich and I were talking to it on my season. It's when it kind of started like being thrown around. But it was, I think it was used incorrectly as disingenuous way. So I'm glad that it's finally like the correct version of it. I feel like they should bleep it out like it's a curse word.

Like anytime somebody says, it's just bleep it out. Every time I hear that stupid word. You have PTSD when you hear disingenuous now. Oh, yeah. I mean, I hear the auto clip, and my heart's like, oh, gosh. Beep it out. Were you and Julia close prior to this conversation? Did you feel like y'all had a friendship in the house?

Honestly, no. And I mentioned this during that conversation. I don't know if it made it or not. But one of the things that was a constant for me is I would always say this. Like, hey, I'm here to make people feel loved and feel welcome. That's really all I want to do. And as you see throughout the episodes, it's like that was my, main goal. And so I'm not here to stir up drama. I'm not here to be rude. I'm, that's just

not who I am. And so I had told Julia in that conversation, I'm like, hey, you think this is a zero to a hundred thing, yet you and I aren't best friends. And so the way that I have typically handled relationships is like, I'll connect really well with one girl and like, she's my girl. Like, she'll know all the details of everything. And Julia was just never that. And so to me, it was a bit of a shock that she would expect me to confide in her and share my heart with her, if to be frank, like, she wasn't the nicest to me or the most open to me, whether or not that was a response to the way that, you know, the way that I might have been. But no, like, we weren't the best of friends. And so I think that whole conversation blindsided me because I'm a very stay in your

lane like I'm here to do my thing find you know my relationship and and stay in my same my lane and um it was just a tough conversation to navigate because I'm like I don't get the whole I'm going to feel a certain way because of you but has nothing to do with hers and Brandon's relationship I think your that comes out on the show I think your character comes out especially how there were two things that really stood out to me this episode one how you handled your relationship with Gabe and you could tell you were emotional about it and you, but you wanted to be very honest with him and you didn't want to lead him on. So definitely want to get your take on that. But then also something you said about your relationship with Brandon. You said, I gave you my first

rose. You gave me your rose and you have to create a strong foundation at the beginning. And I thought that we were doing that. So I think that gives us insight to how you are just as a person. You're very matter of fact and you know what it is that you want and you go out. after it and you don't BS about it. So tell us about that conversation that you had with Gabe. How hard was that? Oh, y'all. Gabe was like the sweetest human on planet Earth. I swear. We always joked and we're like Gabe is house dad because he was always the one that was like sitting there and giving like the best advice and like would listen to you and I was like the shoulder to cry on. And so I just have the softest spot in my heart for Gabe. Like he he's just

a phenomenal man. And that conversation was difficult, but just because of the way that Gabe is, he allowed me to be myself. He never once said, we can't mend this relationship if you don't pick me or I'm going to hate you forever. He was like, hey, matter of fact, like, this is where I am. I choose you. If you don't choose me, I'm not pressuring you to do so. And so it was almost this like freedom to share with him how much he met to me even though he knew like it probably wasn't enough to keep him. And I think that's something we don't see enough on the show is that that level of respect where he didn't get upset, he just was like, I appreciate you telling me this, thank you. And now I'm going to remove myself if it's not like for the right reasons.

That's something that Rach and I, before you jumped on that we said about him is it seems like even though it didn't work out for him, it felt like he was truly there taking his heart for the right reasons and being like, look, if I'm, I'm not going to force it. I'm not just going to try to find a relationship to make it week by week. And so, yeah, we didn't see enough of him. I would love to see more of him. But, you know, for that interaction, that conversation that was had between you two, it was a good one. So thank you for that. Now, overall, like, we saw a lot of the drama go down, obviously, with you and Julia. But your experience, overall while being on the show what was that like the whole experience on the show as both of you

know it's such a roller coaster right you have days where you're on top of the world and then you have days where you just want to crawl in a hole and cry you know and um I think up until this episode I was really confident really excited to be there really happy and just I was happy just being myself um like I think rachel you just said I'm really matter of fact like I know what's up. And it's interesting going into one of these experiences or going into this journey. I was like, I'm mentally super strong and I've got this. I know who I am. And then you get far enough along and you realize, oh my gosh, emotionally, I haven't been challenged like this ever. And I would say on set, like, we're in a pressure cooker. This is like an accelerated thing. And so

for me it was a challenge to be able to identify my emotions and then speak to them really well and you just you have your good days you have your bad days but through and through I think there are enough genuine people on that show or during the journey along for the journey with me that I was able to confide in and lean on and so it was it ended up being amazing I would train for the world were you a fan of the bachelor bachelor's at before you went on this show. I was. So whenever I was preparing for, you know, filming, I realized that I'd seen bits and pieces here and there. I've seen both of your seasons bits and pieces. And I wanted to know more about the culture and everything. So I actually sat down and I was working on something

for prep and I had my phone on this desk and I was working on something. And I watched y'all five hours worth of like YouTube videos from anything from like Jake Pavelka to Colton Underwood to like even the beginning of Peter. And it was so funny because I got all Bachelorette, Bachelor, Bachelor in Paradise, drama, the highs and lows. I was like, oh, we're in for it, guys. And it didn't scare you away. Right? No, I was like, oh man, I'm in. Like, let's do it. Yeah. Well, Savannah, we got to wrap up. but I, Rachel and I like to play games and we don't have a full game today, but I want to know, honestly, during your time on the show, who did you think had the best voice and the worst voice?

Ooh, I love this. You can't pick yourself. You can't pick yourself as the best. Can you imagine if I'm like, me? It's me, guys. Why not? Why not? Okay.

Oh, gosh. I think best voice hands down is Rudy. I mean, girl, I never met Rudy, but I'm obsessed with her. This girl, y'all, has pipes. She's just, she's one of those, like, she could sing any genre, any key, and, like, you would just melt. And she's equally as amazing on the inside as her voice portrays on the outside. So I would say best voice is her by far. What was the other worst voice?

Worst voice. Y'all, yes. Um, I don't, I don't know if I'm necessarily going to dog anybody, but, um, can we talk about the Michael Todd moment? Because I don't necessarily say worse voice, but I would say like a funniest interaction with someone singing and how all that turned out. Oh my God. I'm so happy you brought this up because you were the one where he's like, I like your lips.

And I was seriously cringing into my couch. I, I don't remember what I was drinking, like a margarieter. or something and I almost like broke the glass because I was like oh my gosh you handled it you're like thank you. I would have been like wet lips butt lips yeah like okay Rachel what would you have done in that moment I feel like you're my sassy girl that would have like put this man in this place or something I honestly probably would have walked away without any explanation I would have just left him there no words would have been spoken not an excuse me nothing just I would have walked away

up and lean i'm i'm like the weird awkward girl so it'd have been like you're making me feel weird right now like oh but dude see i i i feel like i was more on your level with that because you know it's like a moment for it to sink in i was like oh my gosh this is happening yeah but it's seriously us as women we always go through it where some guy is trying to hit on you and you're just like how in the world do i shut this down as soon as i can and it's just So awkward. But in this moment you can, you could be like, can you talk less and sing more? Or can I hear that song again? Can I hear that beatbox again? Is it that what? Well, that's what I was kind of getting at, Rachel. I was like, when I asked him, I was like, can you beatbox? I'm like,

okay, we can do that? And then there's, you know, an exit plan here. No exit plan. I was like, oh, we're in. Like, we are in. Who were you the closest in the house to? What did you say? Who were you the closest with in the house? oh y'all becca is my girl i liked she loves becca too i really liked becca like the beginning intro package like she just sold me she sucked me in right away oh i died i called her immediately and i was like what that's just her i mean that is just her she's genuine and she's so caring and she's just funny she's hilarious you did cry when she left so yeah i could tell you guys were close yeah she's my girl we were holding hands and it was one of those moments of like you know we did we did everything

we could we left it all out there and um I mean she's a lifelonger for me so it's so great when you get that from the show you're never expecting that you know you're on a love show but the friendships that you make are forever if you're if you're lucky you get a friend forever from the show yeah yeah and that was something that I told Chris Harrison I don't know if it made it or not but when we were sitting standing in the driveway when I first met him and he's like what do you expect out of show and I was like honestly my heart is open my hands are open I just want to make authentic connections and relationships and he laughed and he's like that sounds a little sterile don't you think I was like honestly no because I could walk through those doors and meet the love of my life

but I could also make the best friend of my life and so it was so beautiful and we'll see how everything unravels but um on like the friendship side of things like that absolutely happened with her so I'm grateful well I always say like even if you don't find love on the show in, you know, a partnership. You still find love with your girls. So I'm happy for you guys. I can't wait to see kind of like what pans out from here. Now, before we let you go, I have to ask. So your first date with Brandon, you guys went to that cute little jazz club. What were your thoughts on? What were their names, Elaine and Morty? Or they were so cute. Y'all, they were so cute. I was so happy that they got a little bit of airtime because they were precious. So I've been looking

forward to that date. I mean, obviously you don't know when you're going to get a date card or not. So it's always an honor and like a shock. Your heart starts feeding fast. Like, I just got a date card. But walking into the Dresden was just, it was amazing. Like, it's iconic as we all know. And they're just, they genuinely are so in love. Like, no part of that was staged. It honestly was just they're beaming at all times. And they have this playful banter and they still poke at each other. And she can tell the story of how

they met. Or she can tell like the little details about something funny that happened years ago. And so it was really cool that they came and sat down at the table with us and we got to ask some relationship questions to them because they still got it and they're amazing. They're so cute. I'm so happy that you guys were able to meet them and have them be part of the show, as you said. But, Savannah, it was so much fun having you. I mean, I feel like we could just talk for hours. And I, you know, maybe we'll chat after this and you know get some more tea because i do want to dive in a little bit more but thank you for being with us today we can't wait to keep watching you on this season you truly are bringing us a lot of entertainment drama aside just performance wise it's amazing so thank you um but we're very

happy that you decided to come on with us today yes thank you so much and stay safe we didn't even check in on you and see how you're doing during quarantine but yeah okay yeah i'm doing great so um obviously thank you so much both of you for for having me on your show look up to the two of you so incredibly much so this is a big honor for me um so thank you for your love and support I love you and yeah quarantine quarantine's crazy but um this is a really fun time specifically in my life and even in bachelor nation history with a brand new show coming out so it's been a blast and I'm thankful for every bit of it I'm sure it's keeping you busy those Monday nights have something girl yes we live for them all right well thank you Savannah by Savannah thank you so much

Bye. I love talking to her. I love getting some of the tea, the behind the scenes. You know, I feel like they didn't do her justice because the first episode, remember she's talking about being a model and like a manslayer and all of that. And then this episode, I was like, no, like, I vibe with this chick. I love how she handled the situation with Julia, with Gabe, even with Brandon. And I think we really got to learn who she is. And then even talking to her now, it's the same thing. So I am very careful. curious as to what happens next week. I am very curious. As am I, because just talking with her now and seeing what we saw go down between her and Julie and just how she handles herself, I think she does a very good job of, you know, saying it like it is, being matter of fact, having this good, strong head on her shoulders. But yeah, I think next week's going to be a good one. You know, we've seen some tears already from her, and I think there's just going to be more to come. Unfortunately.

I mean, all I'll say is, this is the episode that I'm on. So I know some things, but I don't know how it all plays out. So I'm like, I gotta know. How can this happen? I need to understand what's happening here. So, well, I know you guys are excited to and can't wait. It just keeps getting better and better. Okay, well, Becca, I'll tell you.

More Savannah drama isn't the only thing that we have to look forward to next week because we have some absolutely. amazing judges next week, if I do say so myself. Now, I am not just talking about myself. Yes, I'm a judge. We know this. Brian is a judge. Yes. We, we forget us because we have the incredibly talented Andy Grammer, everyone. He's a judge and we have him right now on the show. Okay, so just to start off, how are you doing in quarantine? How are you coping? What's new? Are you safe? Are you sane? What's going on? I am safe and saying, you know, it's been two weeks now since we had our second baby in quarantine.

My wife had a baby in a living room and it was unbelievable and amazing. Wow. And beautiful. And I know some people think I'm crazy. I caught her. I caught my baby in the tub. It was awesome. Wow.

Wait, so this was planned. I'm having like a spiritual, crazy awesome quarantine. Wait, Andy. Was the birth planned in the living room or was this like all? the sudden she had the baby and you, okay. Man, it was really lucky because we had planned to have a home birth that we wanted to do. And then it happened to just be right during the quarantine. And then because people were afraid to go to the hospital, it's a home birth started to be

something that was like way more popular. And our midwife was saying that she had to get a new phone because everybody was calling her so much. But we'd already planned to do it at home. And it worked out. It was really cool. Oh my gosh. That's crazy.

Well, I feel like this is the best time to. have a baby because now you can both be home together. I mean, my sister had a baby back in September and she's like, this is just a really long maternity leave for me. So at least you're keeping busy and have a new little bundle of joy to keep you busy. Yeah, and there's so much like mental intensity going on right now. I feel like if you read the news or, because it is. We're in like an unprecedented time. I have, my brain can't go that far into all that because it's just like, I got a new little girl here. Yeah. What else? What a fun story.

Like, she's going to grow up and be looking through her baby book. And, like, the story she can tell her friends that she was born in your living room during the midst of a quarantine. That's like what movies are made of. Exactly. She's coming in with the, she wanted to make an entrance for sure. Oh, yeah. Andy, I'm obsessed with her name. Israel Blue.

Oh, if you hear it again, don't get mad at me. So cute. Beautiful. It sounds good. Beautiful. Beautiful. And I'm so glad my husband isn't on the phone because he wants me to have an at-home birth. And that's a point of condition for us. I'm terrified. Are you afraid of it? Why? Why are you afraid? Let's talk about it for a second. Okay. Let's talk about it. Of the pain, I think. I'm a person who's like, can you just give me whatever medicine I need to get through it? I've had another friend who's done it at-home birth. And she speaks of how it is the most beautiful experience ever. I just, I mean, is it beautiful past the screaming? the screaming, and like throwing things

around the room. I was going to say if I gave birth in my home every time I would pass the certain area, I'd be like, oh, that's the moment that you like tore my insides apart

or like that's the moment where there's like this blood gushing out onto the carpet. Exactly. Okay, I will say it's a little bit, it's a little bit that but it's also the other side of like our house feels so

magical. Like, oh my God, that's where this happened. That's where the baby came into the world is right there. Like that's, there's some of that. too it feels like our house like got even closer to us yeah but there's no judgment on anyone

all all have to getting a baby out are valid and fair yes i can say you're making me see a a better side of it i will say that richel would you do it if you could get the drugs yes if i could yes for sure for sure i just picture like dexter style where he puts down all of the plastic all over like covering the walls the floor of the tables like that's what i would need is like full Dexter style like to not have blood and juices get everywhere. Oh, God. Okay. Next question. When I say the tub, it's not like a bath tub. It's like a whole, like you blow up this tub and it's like a small little pool that we put in our living room. Yeah. Well, congratulations. Yes, congratulations. Our listeners thought that we were only going

to talk about you being on Listen to Your Heart. And little did they know they're going to get like a full birthing experience with Andy Grammer today. They didn't know that that's all coming. I had a great time on that show, by the way. It was so fun. Yeah, well, we want to get into your experience because, I mean, I know Rachel had the privilege to me. I unfortunately wasn't there, which I'm bummed. Andy, I did actually see you perform in Minneapolis a couple years ago at the Basilica Block Party. So when Rachel, I was actually recording with Rachel like the day before or the day of you guys filmed listened to your heart and you guys were both judges

and she's like yeah I get to beat Andy Graham I'm like I saw him a couple years ago and you were phenomenal live yo that show was really good I remember that one that was such a vibe it was in the corner of the festival yeah it was so cool yeah and you close it down you try it down it was the perfect ending to the weekend very very good performance so when Rachel said that she was going to meet you and have you as one of the guest judges. I was like, damn it, I wish I could be there. But how was your time on the show?

I had a really good time. I was really impressed at the level of, like, talent. Like, everybody's really good. All the voices were good. Like, there was like a level of, like, a standard level of, like, oh, everybody that's here and singing is really good. They're all really good. There's no doubt about it. You know, I was really impressed. Yeah. And that's something that Rachel and I have talked, about. I mean, we knew that we would be covering the show and that, you know, these people would come in and hopefully be good singers. But for some of them, we're actually blown away. So it's really fun week by week to hear them sing, to hear them perform together. But one of my favorite parts of now watching the actual performances is hearing your feedback, like the judge's feedback

is something that's really, I think, special for me. And you guys, the way that you listen and interpret these performances is on this whole new level and you guys catch things that I you know just as a viewer don't always see so it's really fun to have you guys on as well yeah yeah it's really uh you know I've done I guess I haven't been a judge that much I've done like performances on other singing competitions like saying I think I'm a American Idol a couple times something on the voice but I've never like actually sat in the chair and been like oh let me tell you some stuff that I've learned over doing this for a really long time

and how I think it could help you. There's like a service element to it that I'm always into that was really fun. Did you find it difficult, though, to have to be in the judge's seat where you have to like give your critique and then at the end of it because we learned that this week in the episode

that you have to eliminate one of the couples. Was that difficult for you? Not really. I mean, part of being an artist is not part, most of being an artist, it's a rejection. so it's like just like a part of it can you tell your story

because I've taken so much rejection in my life that if these people these artists are putting themselves out there and they want to really know what being an artist is like it's mostly people being like no kind of artist 101 is being like your voice isn't good enough your look isn't good enough you don't sound good enough

like go away like okay cool well now you're an artist like welcome you know It's like a random passage. Can you please tell your story? Because I will, I mean, it was one of the most fascinating conversations I've had about your story of how you got started in the Post-It. Can you please tell that story? I feel like it's just so encouraging for anybody who's listening right now.

Yeah, you know, so much of, like I was saying, so much of being an artist or really any career is knowing how to just push through rejection and not letting someone else define what you're going to do or who you are or what you're worth is. I, you know, I was practicing to go street perform in Santa Monica. They have a, it's called Third Street Promenade, and you're allowed to go perform out there and people give you tips and stuff. And that's what I did for four years before anything happened for me.

And I was practicing in my apartment to go play on the street for no one. So like just for context, that is the lowest you get in the music industry, is to be practicing really hard to go play for no one. And I'm practicing my heart out and I get a knock at the job. door, and I go open the door and there's a sticky note on the door that says your voice sucks give up the dream. Was that what from your neighbor? Whoa.

I don't know. There was nobody there. What? So basically, the universe is telling you, you should probably stop. You need to stop. And that is like, that stuff happens pretty consistently to the point where you just get thick enough skin. We're not being oblivious.

You want to be self-aware. but you do know that that's just a part of this and you've got to push through it. And there's a lot of moments like that where you get to decide like, all right, am I going to let some angry neighbor take me down or I'm going to just brush that off

and keep pushing through it. And then the same thing happens when you go out to the street and you're performing for, you know, I'll play for eight hours. And there'd be hours and hours where no one would care,

stop or drop any tips in. This is like the type of resistance that you grow accustomed to. And then now, you know, I'll do like their national anthem and like half the people love it and half the people hate it, and the numbers are astronomical. And you've hopefully grown up a resistance to taking it too personally.

Yeah. I just love the story because it's applicable to almost every aspect of your life. And when it really resonated with me, and then it just applies to what's going on to with these couples performing and starting out or maybe way into their music careers at this point. So anyways, I just want everybody to hear that story because it's so amazing to me. Did you keep that posting? I asked them the same thing, Becca.

I asked the same thing. I wanted to be like framed now and every time you look at it, it just pushes you to make even better music. No, I mean, you know, that's the other thing. In that moment, it wasn't as triumphant as it sounds now. It was, it hurt like hell. And you just have to believe for some reason that they're wrong.

But it wasn't like it fueled me in a great way. It was like I saw it and was, yeah, I'm going to show you. I remember being like, wow, that was really mean. I'm going to keep going, I guess. But then over time, slowly get better and better and better and better. I hope that person out there listens to you now and they're just like, damn it, I was wrong. I was so wrong. Right.

Yeah. And the truth is, you know, I don't know. I wasn't as good as I am now. So, you know, someone can be judging you based on what you are at the moment, but they don't see your work ethic or where you're going. to go. So, yeah. Don't take it personally. Just keep putting in the work. That's the idea. Maybe you were just performing a song or singing a song that they got broken up to over and they were just having a moment. Who knows? Totally. Exactly. It was like a trigger for them. You're telling yourself that. Yeah. Well, Andy, I want to ask you because we know that your wife is

also a musician. You know, I went on the rabbit hole and looked on both of your Instagrams. And I love the ones of you performing together, especially in quarantine. You did the lovely one of I think it was somewhere over the rainbow that you performed, which was, I think, special together. And this is something that we've asked some of the other guests on our podcast is, if they've ever dated a musician before and, like, what's the key to making that work? So I want to know from you firsthand, I mean, is it difficult or is it something that really bonds you and brings you two together? I think it's both.

It's like exactly down the middle, really difficult. And then something that was really awesome and bonds you together. So we speak the same language. When we listen to music, we have a lot of, like, elevated language around it, and it's really fun. And I think for us, we found that being really specific about what we're doing right now in the moment is, there's a lot of extra communication of if I want to show her a song, she will say, what do you want for me right now? You want me to be your wife or you want me to be, like, a critic? and that sounds crazy but that's really helpful

so sometimes it's like I give you know life I love it before it even starts oh it's so good this is my favorite and I'll do the same it was like you guys

kind of know what hat you'll need to put on yeah you really do have to put on different hats and then also know that for many people listening to a song is a fun time

it's like easy but for us it's actually work so if you're sitting down at the end of the day, you say, can I tell you a song? Sometimes the answer's like, no, not right now. You're not going to get what you want for me, and we're both going to be bummed out, and it's going to ruin a movie that we're about to watch.

You know, it's better and better at understanding when the right time is to share music with each other. I think that's important because one of the questions we wanted to ask you was, what's the trick? But I think you said it right there. It's hard to work together as a couple. I know that my husband and I've experienced that, and we, too, say, well, which hat do you want me to put on?

I'm a lawyer by trade, so I'm like, do you want me to be a lawyer right now or do you want me to be your wife? And you have to separate the two. Yeah. It's helpful. It really is. What advice would you give

or do you have for the couples on the show? Like moving forward, trying to have this relationship, but then also make music together. What advice would you give them? I think one of the main building blocks of any relationship is vulnerability. So the more that you're able to share your... ugly with somebody else, then that makes them share their ugly, and then you have a

tighter, deeper bond. So trust, I think, comes from vulnerability. So I would advise you to be a couple to be vulnerable with each other. Watching the performers, when you were on, as one of the judges, did you feel like some of them really were bonding and really had that special connection, like you could see their relationship growing from here and after the show? I think that's really hard to tell in the short turn but some definitely had seemed like they clicked a little bit better than others but over a long period of time it's hard to tell yeah did you think any of the couples were kind of faking it just to make it through the next week

I'm sure yeah they were they were and it's a really intense thing to be put through that that amount of pressure I remember when I did dancing with the stars and it's just a lot. It's like a lot of pressure and intensity to go through with someone else. You bond with them. It's pretty cool.

Well, fortunately, with the quarantine, the silver lining is that you have no choice if these couples are together, they have no choice but to be vulnerable and show their ugly side because I know I am with my husband. Oh, yeah. You have no choice but to be a little ugly right now.

Before we let you go, what can we expect to see from you and what new projects do you have going on? well yeah I'm writing a ton of music in this time you know we're we're kind of figuring out if I can't go around and play shows what's my next move and we got a lot of really cool I do you know it's really fun for me to

I have kind of a laser beam focus on things and up until this point this year it's been all about how do I throw the best show possible so that when you come to see it you leave and you have to tell all your friends and now that beam is being put into other places so kind of a lot of things at my sleeve, none of them are perfected yet, but for sure, new music is coming soon.

Good. Well, we can't wait to see in here. And it sounds like you're just getting so much inspiration from your new growing family. So we can't wait to see what's in store with you, Andy. Thank you so much for having me. You're both amazing. Oh, thank you so much for being here. We're excited for what you have coming up and stay safe and hold those babies for us. Yeah, enjoy the little ones in the meantime. All right. Bye, Andy. I liked him. I know. He's so great.

I feel like your paths will meet. Hopefully. We kind of already have. But I really thought I didn't know his music until afterwards. And then I started looking at his discography. And I was like, oh, wait, I know that song. Yeah. I don't realize that that was Andy Grammar.

You know, he's great. And his story, that's why I wanted him to tell that post his story. It's just so inspirational. I love that. The story of how he met his wife. I think they were friends first. There wasn't a romantic connection and then just like, I'm so careful. But yeah, it's it came together. They weren't expecting it. I will say it's fun to talk to him now because like I said, I saw him perform a couple years ago. And he just had like this really special, fun, crazy energy. And now talking to him, I feel that. Like I feel like who I saw on stage is also who we're talking to, which is really cool to see.

Yeah, yeah. He came straight in like, what's up, guys? How are you doing? You know, normally, like, new parents are like, oh, I'm exhausted. I've been up all night with the baby. Super chill. No, he came full guns of blazing and I love it. That's the energy we need during this quarantine. I need to chill some of that. And I thought it was really special that the contestants got to have him as a judge because his story is amazing and he really is all about perseverance and just like working hard. And that critique was great for the contestants to hear on stage. Like, even when I was like, were you nervous? Did you feel awkward having a judge? He's like, nope, it's part of the business. Yeah. Like, it's a right of passage. And I like that because I think for some people, even talking to Kesha last week,

she's like, I hate judging people and it's hard. But to get the other side of things where it's like everyone goes through that, that's something that probably bonds everyone in the musician world is you hear no at times. And hopefully it can just build you up and make you stronger. And I think critique is a good. good thing. And so it's fun to hear his take on things. Yeah. You guys are going to love them on the show. Yeah. Can't wait. Can't wait to see you guys. Okay, you guys, that episode was amazing per usual. I really don't expect anything less from us, Becca. And our guests today were amazing. I swear we keep

stepping it up and up and up with who we have coming on Bachelor Happy Hour. We love it. We appreciate it. We hope you guys do too. And I cannot wait for you guys to see what's coming up next. And that's not just because yours truly is on the episode. Well, I mean, kind of, because I'm on the episode. But it's also just a really, really good week. The performances are fire. Let me tell you, the drama does not stop. If you thought Julia was a basket case before, just wait until next week.

So this is what you guys can expect. So Chris Harrison is going to drop a bomb that will break some couples apart. We're going to see seven incredible live performances. well, having been there, I'll just say that most of them are incredible. We've got amazing guest judges. Tony Braxton, Tony Braxton. I couldn't believe it was Tony Braxton when they told me who was going to be judging with us. I thought, we don't deserve to be here. Andy Grammer, another one. Why are we on this stage? And yours truly, and of course with my handsome husband, Brian, will be there as well. And then we finally get to see the pressure of the competition

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