Bachelor Happy Hour - Superstar Rita Wilson Talks About Her Time on ‘LTYH’

Episode Date: May 12, 2020

Actress, singer, and songwriter Rita Wilson chats with Becca and Rachel about her time as a judge on “The Bachelor Presents: Listen to Your Heart.” Rita joins the show next week to help choose the winning couple, and she reveals what the selection process was like.Plus, Rita discusses how she began writing country music and shares the inspiration for her new single, “Where’s My Country Song?” She also talks about her viral “Hip Hop Hooray” remix with Naughty By Nature.“The Bachelor Presents: Listen to Your Heart” airs Mondays at 8 p.m./7c on ABC.Don’t forget to rate and subscribe so you never miss an episode.See omny.fm/listener for privacy information.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Of course, we are going to be recapping another episode of Listen to Your Heart. But, Rachel, I have to start off by saying this and bragging because we have, I don't want to say her name yet, but you know, we both love our badass women. We are so excited to have our new guests on today. I was going to say judge, but she's not judging us. She's just a guest with us chatting. She did judge them. But she is just a mega superstar, a country singer, a producer, an actress, an activist, basically an all-around freaking badass.

So I cannot wait because Bachelor Happy Hour listeners. Today we have Rita Wilson on our podcast. And yes, I love the enthusiasm. We're so excited. She, you know, if we couldn't tell, she's going to be a judge on next week's episode of Listen to Your Heart, which is, by the way. It's crazy to think that we're already there, but it's the final episode, and I can't believe we're almost to the end. It's gone by way too fast. It's been one hell of a ride so far.

I know. How many weeks has it been? Three? This is four? Too soon. I think five. Five. Okay, too soon.

Five so far. I had high expectations for the show. and it honestly has not disappointed. And I'm kind of like, what are we going to do? You know, I know we do this in a bachelor, every time a season ends, we're like, what are we going to do next? What are we going to do next?

But I feel that with this show more than ever. I've really enjoyed the stories, the new contestants, new faces, the music, obviously, the guest judges. Just the all-around show has just been really good. And I've really enjoyed talking about it with you. And I feel like I've also learned so much more about you. and your love for music?

No, really. You can really tell somebody about the music that they listen to. And I didn't know that you were into certain artists. Even like we talked about, you know, Stevie Nix or you've been geeking out over every person, every judge

that comes in, Andy Grammar, Kesha, Jason Maraz. I feel like you have a story. You're like, oh, I've seen them in concert. Oh, I've seen them. So it's just really been fun because I feel like I've learned another side of you as well.

But I feel like I have a bad habit. of jumping to the end because I'm talking about the show as if it's already over and we still have an episode to recap today and then we still have an episode to watch next week. So instead of letting me be sad or us be sad about the fact that the show's about to end, let's talk about the present and talk about the now because so much went down. And as always, Chris Harrison pops it off. I feel like it seems from the beginning of every episode when Chris Harrison comes out. Like, is he living in this freaking mansion with them? Because he just walks down, like, hey guys, good morning, got some news.

I'm like, he's definitely just shacking up there, like getting all the juicy drama, but not having to deal with any of it. And you know what's funny? I feel like on Bachelor and Bachelorette, we're so excited to see Chris Harrison. We're like, okay, he's going to come in with a day card, or he's going to tell us that we're leaving the mansion. It's always, it's not towards the end until he starts saying no cocktail parties. But with them, they're like, oh, God, what is Chris Harrison going to say today?

You know, it's a totally different feel. And you saw it, if you were paying attention, I think when Chris came down this week, Jamie's face, she's like, oh, no, what is it? But at least this time, he's not like swapping couples on anyone. He's just telling them that they're hitting the road. So yes, they go to Sin City. And my first thought when Chris Harrison says Vegas is there better be, Wayne Newton better be part of this some way, somehow.

Unfortunately, he's not. but he should have been. I love that that was your first thought. My first thought was, when I heard that they were going on buses to Vegas, I thought, are these Ben and Becca's tour buses? That was my first thought. Were they? No, I will say, there's were a little bit shittier than the ones Ben and I had.

Ben and I got like the platinum diamond top of the top that you could have tour buses. And there's are a step down, which I think. is good because I think it really gives them, like, the legitimate tour bus feel that Trevor was always asking for. Right. Yeah, Trevor reiterates that. This is his dream to be touring with his family. I like that they did the tour bus feel. Oh, shit, there was something I was going to say about the buses. If I would have been on the bus with my partner, I'm like, thank God it wasn't me, because the second I get in a bus or a car or any sort of moving vehicle, whether it's a car or a plane, I pass out. And I'm like, I would make for such bad TV if I was with my

partner because I would be just snoring in the back. No, the, you remember what it's like when you finally get with that person that you've been, you know, so into the adrenaline would have, would have creeped up, not creeped up, the adrenaline would have been going. But they've already been living together. But that's, and that's an interesting point. We, they live in the same house, but obviously they don't spend the night together. I'm just assuming because I feel like we would get, I feel like we would get an insight into that. Because in paradise, when they spend the night together, you usually see it. We don't see them wake up together. We don't see, we see them in the common areas together. I don't know though. I feel like there's definitely, that mansion is so big

that there are areas that they could sneak and sleep and be away from everyone at night. Definitely sneaking around, right? Like, if you're going to put me in the mansion with the dude that I'm dating and into, There's no way I'm not knocking on his door, creeping through his window, trying to figure out how we can have a moment. Come in the storage closet. Right. But the reason I don't think that that's the case is because I think it's Trevor who says in the episode later on to Matt, did you and Rudy get to share a bed? And it made me feel like, oh, okay, so that confirms that thought.

But we do see them head to Vegas. and we see them on the bus and we get an insight. There are four couples left and we get an insight into each couple, except for one, Natasha and Ryan. I mean, did they speak to each other on the bus? I was so annoyed. I'm like, okay, here go, Trevor and Jamie, here's Rudy and Matt, Chris and Bree, and then we just seen Natasha and Ryan.

No words were spoken. Well, and it's like, I said this last week when we were recapping, but they seem like they're just friends. Like, they're, like, I think that they know that they're there for a show and that you have to be coupled up to move on. And I kind of think that's, that's just what they're doing. Like, I don't think that they're really connecting. I don't see a relationship really forming. And so that one, I mean, to be, how long is the drive from L.A. to Vegas on a tour bus? It's got to be a little bit longer because those buses are slow. And so I feel like that out of any of the bus rides with the couples. That one would have been

the worst. Yeah. I mean, you know they probably were in different rooms, different parts of the bus. Natasha was probably talking to the bus driver. Ryan was in the back, playing his guitar. Yeah, just only talking in his head. I mean, I feel like we lost Ryan the moment

that Jamie chose Trevor. He seemed to have way more personality and talk way more that first episode. And he's not with us anymore. We lost him on that first day. And that is, and that is, one, too, and I mean, and not to say he's not talented, because I think he is, but he's just kind of one that, to me, has creeped by and doesn't really, doesn't really stand out. And I don't want

to say that in a bad way, but compared to these other powerhouse singers and couples, I'm like, how is Ryan still here? Yeah. No, no, no, no. Completely agree with you. Another thing I wanted to point out before we jump back onto these tour buses is a comment that really bothered me at the top of the show with Jamie. Jamie is giving her insight as to Julia going home. And she says, I really, she's like, I don't know about Natasha. I really feel like Natasha's the reason that Julia went home. And I was like, Jamie, really? I get Julia's your friend, but sometimes you just got to be straight up with your friends. And she needed to realize that Julia sent Julia home.

Julia is the reason she went home. Nothing to do with Natasha. Yes, what Natasha did was messy. I agree. But Julia went home because Julia sent herself home. For a reason. And I think maybe now, hopefully, if Jamie's watching it back, she can kind of see more sides to the story and is realizing like, okay.

You know, everyone makes their bed and has to sleep in it. and Julia did just that. You can't really put that on anyone else. So maybe she's seen more now, but... Let's hope so. Who knows? So, okay, three out of the four couples are bonding on the bus, and we see that there's this, like, discord between Matt and Rudy.

Now, Rudy makes the comment that, you know, we really needed to get to talk some things out, and we really needed to get, you know, I guess, figure some things out in their relationship. So they decided to take a detour and stop at a hotel. I love that Rudy made us seem like, you know what, like they're calling the shots. You know what, guys, we actually need just a little bit more time. We're not quite ready to Vegas.

Can you pull over and we're going to stop here? That's nice, Rudy, that you want us to think that. But it was all a part of the plan. Which, where the hell were they? because they're walking through this weird garden full of like bottle art, which immediately I was like, my mother would love this place. She would take all of those bottle trees and have them in her backyard if she could. But they were so funny. That's what I thought of Twister. Have you ever seen the movie Twister? Oh, yeah. Remember when they go visit Ant, whatever her name was,

aunt something? I don't remember. And she had all those bottles. and stuff and weird things all up in the tree before the tornado hits. The aunt is my mom. Her name is Jill Kufrin. But I love at the very end, too, like, fast-forwarding, the bloop. I hope this was kept in, but the bloopers when they're walking through and the guy at the hotel showing them, like, where they can stay and they're freaking out because they think it's haunted, I would, wherever it was, it was the middle of nowhere, I would

have loved to just check it out and stayed there. Yeah, I mean, Matt even said, this is where people who don't like people stay. well this is this sounds like a place that I don't want to be this sounds like a place where people go and don't come back that's what I thought when I saw it but I mean what's bothering me with Rudy and Matt is that we look at Natasha and Ryan and they don't seem to be forcing anything right like they're just like you we get along we make good music together we vibe on stage let's just take our time Rudy and Matt or Rudy I should say seems to be so adamant about forcing Matt to express feelings that he might not well we know he's not but feelings that he just doesn't have yet and I feel like some of that is Jamie

because Jamie Jamie and Trevor Jamie expresses how she feels with Trevor and we'll talk about that later but I just it bothers me that Rudy is so much Matt is like I like you and I like you for this reason this reason and it's still not enough for her

yeah and I think that like, it's part of the show. I mean, they're, like, think about this. When you're filming, like, you go, you can't spend 24-7 with that person, so you have to go with some of the producers and sit in interviews, and you're literally constantly talking about your feelings and emotions and where you're at, where the person's at over and over. So you kind of start to fixate. And that's what I see happening to Rudy is, like, she's fixating so much on what she wants Matt to say. It's that I don't think she's really taking into account what he actually is saying, which is, like, like, yeah, I do like you. And she's just, like, kind of pushing for more because I'm sure, like,

in interviews, they're like, well, don't you want somebody to be at that same level and like you, how you like them and express those emotions? And she just seems to realize, like, not everyone is there, not, oh, I'm hitting my mic right now. Not everyone is there. Not everyone can get there as fast. I think the one thing watching their relationship with Matt is, like, I wish I could just sit him down and be like, look, buddy, like, you may have been hurt in the past and you might have your guards up, but every relationship is so different that you can't compare what's happened in the past with what is happening now or what could happen in the future. And I feel like it's easy as a human being to close up and shut down and not be as expressive in your emotions

because you've been hurt in the past. But also, like, Rudy isn't any of your exes. Rudy is this completely new girl. You don't know how she's going to handle certain things. And so, that's one thing I want to tell him is like don't fixate so much on like the past and what it did to you like you never know what could happen be in the moment yeah so what bothers me is that on the bachelor and bachelorette you know that it comes down to an engagement now we haven't seen that as of as of the last few years but it's it comes down to an engagement you're you're looking for your fiance at the end of this that is not what is at stake in this show So I guess I get annoyed with Rudy because I'm like, why are you pressuring him when you don't need to? That's not, it's the point is to make a love connection. The point is to find somebody that you connect with and have chemistry with on and off the stage. But there is no pressure that you need to say, I love you. I love you.

And you're going to get down on one knee. And so that's why I kind of feel mad because I'm like, why are you forcing this? I like you. Just roll with it. Let's just have a good time. um okay so but rudy and matt are in the middle of we we don't know we don't know where they are they're probably on a sound stage so we don't know brothers let's be honest we don't know where they are but the rest of the couples are in Vegas and we see the date card first day card looks like

it's brie and chris they go to a wedding chapel did you think brie and chris were going to get married no i was like there's no way but you never know what they're the show. But I will say I liked that they were asked to perform for the couple getting married. Yes. That was a good twist. Yes. One interracial couple singing for an interracial couple getting married. I see what you did there, Bachelor. You know what it reminded me of? It reminded me of when, on my season, when I went to Peters hometown, and he was like, oh, we're going to meet my friends. And I don't know if everybody knows this, but usually it's family, right? It's rare occasion that you meet the friends unless there's maybe some issue with the family or maybe there's just like,

you can't do it that way but the goal is to meet the family so when he's like you're going to meet my friends I just had a weird feeling and I sit down and here come his friends and it's two couples that are interracial

and I remember when they walked in I just looked at my producer and I was like really could you, in the words of Chandler being could you be anywhere obvious at this point? Really all us interracial couples are going to just sit down together? Like, stop. That's what it reminded me of. But anyways,

it was sweet. They sounded so cute singing with one another. You can tell Brian Chris are in love. No drama. It's just pretty to watch. Well, and the one part that stuck out to me was not them actually singing together and, you know, performing for this couple's wedding. It was the conversation after. And we got kind of the backstory last week of Chris's dad had passed away and that he thinks, You know, his dad would have loved Brie, but he goes into it more. And I seriously, it was so touching him. I was so touch. I wasn't touching, Chris, I promised people. But it was so touching, listen to him because I can relate so much to Chris because my dad passed away. And when I was falling in love with Garrett, I kept saying Garrett felt like home. He reminded me of my dad. And I think,

I mean, I've never met Chris and Bree, so I don't know. I can't speak for him. But I think it's very comparable to that where he just feels like that sense of ease. And I wrote in my notes between Chris and Bree, like there's just this comfort level that I think couples who are really in love and just really feel that connection. It's there with them and you can see it. And so, Chris, if you're listening to this podcast, thank you for opening up more. It's just really sweet and special to hear somebody, you know, going through similar things. And I'm sure there's people out there who have definitely lost parents and who can feel some sort of, can relate to Chris a little bit in that sense. And so it was a sweet moment between them. I love the word you use

Becca comfortable, right? It's not easy is what I hear. I think maybe even Bree said, oh, it's so easy, but it's, it's not that it's easy. It's just that there's, you're comfortable, almost like you've been here before. And that is something that you can't fake, you can't force. It just, it's is it's almost not even learned you just right you either have it or you don't you just have to feel it with that person and it's so complete what what brie and chris have with each other is so completely different than what we are seeing with mattie and root mattie we can find them matt and rudy so yeah um no you're right you're right and i and i feel like matt is looking like stop forcing it you know like let's just let it be and i think brudy

struggles with that because she does open up and say at one point, I'm a person who goes all in and falls really quickly and that's not Matt. And so a lot of times that's, this is where the love language comes in. This is where enneagram numbers come in because you understand the personality of a person and just how they feel loved, which is so then you know how to give love to them. Anyways. Trevor and Jamie. Now Trevor and Jamie. Not my favorite couple. I'm just going to be honest. Um, they're not. Well, nothing can top Bree and Chris. Let's be honest. It's not, but I like Matt Rudy more than I like Trevor. It's, it's not that. It's, I don't want to say that. It's very superficial to me. That's how it comes across. I do believe they really like each other, but it's so puppy love to me. And I really want to know, before I go in on Trevor and Jamie's relationship. what what did you think of their date what did you think of the um expressions of love that were made in the say well so we obviously do see i mean Jamie is head over heels for Trevor like she is all

in like if Trevor got down on one knee on that ice rink and proposed to Jamie she would say hell yes get me to the little white chapel swap the dates with Bree and Chris but I think from, and I can only kind of compare their relationship to the other relationships that we're seeing. So for instance, with Bree and Chris, they have deep conversations that hold some weight, that they're like actually getting to know one another and seeing who each other are. And I feel like with Jamie and Trevor, there's, there's not much depth to it. And like you said, maybe it is surface level. Maybe it's just puppy love. I mean, I think that they like each other and they like spending time with each other. Is their relationship one that's going to be lasting? I personally don't think so. And we've said this, I think, week after week. Jamie obviously is the youngest one.

And I think you just kind of start to see that on the show. I think she's only 21. And I just want to like take her and be like, live your life for a little bit. Do you don't like focus so much on a relationship and like make a relationship and like make making one person so happy. Like, I just think she has some more growth to do in life. So, yeah, I don't know. I don't know, like, the expressions of love when they both said, I'm falling in love.

I think she's there. I don't necessarily know. If he's fully there, maybe he's just like, give it to me. I have a theory. First of all, I say this every week. Jamie should have been on The Bachelor. She narrates the show. She shows all the emotions.

She goes head over hills. She's quick to express feelings. of love. Jamie's on the wrong show. That being said, when Jamie's like, I'm going to tell him, I want to tell. At first I thought she wasn't going to tell him, but then she's like, okay, I'm going to tell them. First of all, I did think their date was super cute.

Ice skating. It was very romantic, very just all about them. The fact that he used to play hockey, I thought that was cute that he could kind of show off in that sense. And of course, you know, she can pretend like she can't skate and he can hold her and grab it's it's very it was very cute good job good job production for putting that together but we see them sit down and you see Trevor say she says she's falling in did she say she was falling in love no maybe she didn't know so he says oh i'm very i'm big on that word i've

only said it to two people it means a lot to me and i just wanted you to know that and she's like okay which was weird because he she thought he was going to say I love you and he didn't or falling in love. But then she still is like, you know what, I'm all in. Jamie, you know, remember prime bachelor contestant is like, F it, I'm going all in. I'm going to say that I'm falling in love. And then he looks at her and he says, I'm falling in love too. And in that moment I said, I see you, Trevor. I see what you did there. I believe Trevor only told, Jamie's already like, you. You know, Violet. I told you, she's Violet from Coyote Ugly. Can't Fight the Moonlight, right?

She has stage fright. She's insecure on stage singing. They've had two performances. They've both sucked. And he knows that if I don't tell her, match her in her feelings, we're toast. We're going home tomorrow because there's no way that she's going to perform. She's not feeling confident. I need to give her something. That is why he told her I'm falling in love with her. And you see what happens at the end of the episode. So I think it was strategic in a sense that it's not that I'm falling in love with you. It's just what you really need to hear right now. Yeah, to keep it going.

Well, and that's the same. Like, I think for some of the couples, I genuinely feel like they like each other. And then for some of the couples, I feel like they're kind of working their way up to know what they should be doing or saying to make it to the next round and make it to the next week and keep going. And, yeah, I mean, again, and I think too, like, I was thinking about this too, because I remember at the beginning of the season with Trevor, when Natasha came in, he had this whole scandal of the ex-girlfriend that he cheated on. And, I mean, since then, people have kind of forgotten about that because he had this relationship that was growing with Jamie and it looks like they like each other. But I don't know, I don't know if in the back of my head, if I was Trevor, I'd be thinking like, okay, what do I got to? you to seem more real, to seem like I actually want to make this work with this girl. And to kind of redeem himself in a way, that's one thing that I, that week by week, I'm like, I'm not

forgetting what was said those first couple weeks. Right. That's still a thing that people just forget about now that he's happy with Jamie. But that's another thing to keep in mind. Maybe he's, it's his way to kind of boost himself up and redeem himself. Yeah, I think he likes her, but not, I think he likes her in this world. Let's just go like that. And she's way more into him. Yeah, yeah, it's obvious. And they kind of, everybody kind of alludes to it. I will say, though, Rachel, their date, I had one of my dates with the guys in Vegas there, too.

And it's a really cool venue. You went ice-stained? Well, I'm trying to think if I went on the ice with any of the guys. We had the whole arena, so we, like, had the cocktail party up top. But it was on my birthday, and it was where, as they were walking into the arena, you see like their names on the screen outside and that's where uh blake first told me that he was falling in love with me on my birthday so walking in i'm like oh god this place again okay oh that's no no no no but i mean i didn't even put that together you totally did go to

Vegas yeah oh that's funny that's why i wanted way newton i wanted way newton on a date that's why you wanted way newton i just remember chris losing his shit on, wasn't it Vegas where he lost it? Like, he was like on stage, like, losing, wasn't that Vegas where he had to perform? They were performing. Yes. Okay. That's what I remember about you. The guys had to sing and oh my God, they all hated it. They were mortified and I loved it. It was so good watching them sweat. It was funny. That was a funny, that was a funny day. Um, okay, so speaking of performances, our guy, our new best friend Shaggy, uh, is performing on the date with Matt and Rudy, was really cool. That's probably to me the most fun date that we saw out of the four. Yeah,

so they are, he says, Rudy's the perfect girl to go on the date with him. And you can see that they're having fun. They're dancing. They're kissing. They get to go on stage and sing. And I thought that this was good for them because it was so lighthearted. Yeah. As opposed to the Trevor and Jamie date where it was romantic and they were forced to, you know, talk about really heavier things. This was like, guys, just light, Rudy, not guys, Rudy, just lighten up and have a good time. And realize this man likes you. I think it was a good distraction. I think that date specifically was the best for them.

Like, I cannot picture like Trevor or Ryan going to a shaggy concert. Like, I just can't picture it. So I'm glad that they picked Matt and Rudy for her to kind of let loose, get on stage, just dance, have fun. You know, you can't really think too much about like, oh, is it going to tell me he loves me? Well, it was, well, it only lasted, it only lasted for a few minutes. As soon as the music stopped, soon as the music stopped, she was like, okay, now listen. I was so mad and I was like, Rudy, no, I couldn't even, even, okay, so for all of you, let me just say, Rudy sits them down and she's like, you know what, I'm going to channel my inner Jamie

and I'm just going to go for it and I'm going to tell him how I feel and I'm falling in love with you, Matt. And the whole time, if you read Matt's face, he looked like, don't do it. He's like, he's like, how do I get out of this conversation? Somebody get me a beer. What do I got to do? Make her stop. Make her stop. And then she says it and he's like, what did he say? Did you write it down? Because it was awful. Rachel, I'm not going to lie. I think I fell asleep for like two minutes during this conversation. then you miss the whole thing but I mean I could tell the second they sat down

he was off he was like fuck I don't want to have this conversation right now you could just feel it every week people want us to talk about editing they're like you know how it is you don't see everything and I hate to do that because we obviously this has to be edited but we aren't there we aren't privy to that information and so I don't like to assume

but I'm going to go ahead and assume here that Chris Matt actually said more to Rudy in this moment than they showed I literally think he goes okay it was a lot of that line and she's just like wait what I mean it was that quickly they moved past it

and I think if he really if his response really was that harsh I don't think that she would have been able to move forward but I was more mad at her you know how he feels you know he's not ready he wants to take things slow you've had this whole y'all got an extra date more than anybody else and you still put this on him i just was like rudy you have to be able to read the room read the person you're with read the relationship this was not the time in place to bombard him with this i'm going to put it i'm going to say

that conversation with jamie between jame and rudy got that's what got to her and that's what made her get to that point and had that conversation not happened and had jamming up and like you're going to regret it if you don't it's like sometimes it's better to keep things in and wait for the right moment yeah yeah nobody knows your relationship like you do i can tell you everything that has happened to the best of my memory that between me and brian becca and you still won't know our relationship because you aren't in it you're not a part of it and the only people who really know it are the two people that are in it so rudy should have taken what jamy said but should have said you know what

I know Matt and I know that Matt isn't going to be comfortable with this so I just need to do things on the time that are of our relationship like the journey of our relationship and how it's moving anyways

so we see Matt and Ryan in an awkward place and my first thought is Matt if you take Rudy away from us because you didn't reciprocate feelings I'm done I've had it

I will not be here next week to recap I'm not going to lie. So Rudy and I DM quite a bit because obviously I'm obsessed with her. Yes. I'm not ashamed to admit it. That's such a groupie. I am and I just like, I don't know. Maybe I was a decent singer in a past life. I don't know. But there's, I love Rudy. Like it's something about her. And I, I texted her or message her. And I was like, if Matt does anything to end this relationship and you don't sing, I'm going to be so upset. But yeah, that's what I'm thinking. I'm like. you guys just like hold on a little bit longer like don't have this conversation right now because I still want you to perform together I'm like if you take her away from us Matt if you dare do it um don't do it Matt just don't so then we move on in the most exciting couple of the four Natasha and Ryan and they're so exciting that we don't even get to watch them get their day card we go straight into we go straight into the action of them digging or messing up cars and

smashing stuff because there is no spark there is nothing that's of interest so they literally tried to do something that was like dramatic and where they're like separated and throwing cars around yeah i mean it's like this is what an arranged marriage looks like that's what that's what that's that's what i feel like i mean i don't even really remember much other than her him saying he's quiet yeah we got that ryan you know they sit down have a conversation, I guess try to explain, I feel like, to the audience, what the dynamic of their relationship is. They're just, they are two people who are just on different wavelengths. Like, they're, I get that opposites attract and that you can be very different in a relationship

to make it work. I mean, Garrett and I are so different, but they, I don't know, they just don't match up. And I think, like, like you said, an arranged marriage, like this is the thing where, like, Natasha's like, okay, just like, let me steal the show. you play the guitar and we'll make it work yeah there's nothing more to it it's just like i keep saying a friendship but honestly outside of the show i don't even think that they would be friends no god no they wouldn't be friends i've creeped on both their instagrams and i was like absolutely not so yeah and that i feel like now that's what spills into their performance you know we've seen it so far it's it's still been a little disjointed i don't think they've

ever really connected um they really harmonized well on stage She's good in her own right. He's good in his own right. And then it just becomes it explodes in their performances, which we got to get into the judges that we have this week. We've got the lead singer of Train, Pat Monaghan. We've got Ashley Simpson Ross and Evan Ross. And then we've got Ari and Lauren. And they're representing the Bachelor franchise in this. And so the performance seem really excited about, really excited about Train. They were the most excited about. hat being there, which I thought was great. I don't know a lot of Trains music. I think I knew one song. I have seen Train in concert before, too. See what I'm saying? See, oh gosh. They're so good life too. So for all of you out there who are dating and you're trying to find a way to connect with somebody, I suggest music because I am really connecting with Becca these last four weeks over music. You can really learn a lot about somebody. I'm telling you. Okay, so I learned that one song about Train.

Or one song from Train, but okay, Becca's seeing them. Wait, sing it for me. What's the one? I think it's them. Is it, hey, soul sister. Oh, okay, maybe two. Okay, maybe they don't know. The Jop's the Jupiter.

Mm-hmm. Is it called Dropson Jupiter? Yeah, I think that's their, like, top, probably number one hit. So that one, and then, okay, Soul Sister, so two. Hey. I guarantee you, you know more if you heard them. No, I don't know about that. You got lucky with Soul Sister.

You got lucky. But the contestants are super excited about them, which is great. I always love when they geek out over who they're going to be performing in front of. So, Bree and Chris go up first, and they sing, again, can't help falling in love. Probably the only Elvis song that I like. And when they started off, I was like, this was the two minutes you should have fallen asleep in. And I like Bree and Chris. So I don't want to, and I actually really like this song, and I was like, oh, and then they took it up a notch.

And well, they did, rage, to say the least, I will say the beginning. And in my notes, I said, it started okay. That's what I wrote. And of course, they, like, they're in love. They have that connection. But at, I think when he, when he started singing at first, I was like, honey, what's going on? Like, usually you're better than this. But when they change, like, change the key.

the temple, like bumped it up a notch at the end. I really liked how they took their own spit on things and switched it up for them. Now, we'll get into what Natasha and Ryan did in a little bit, but for Chris and Bree in that song, I thought it was like the right amount of like their own little spice and twist on it. It was the best we've heard Chris sing. When Chris changed it up, and I thought, my God, they haven't been giving Chris songs that really highlight his voice. Lover, Taylor Swift, can't help falling in love. I mean, it does start off slow and I don't even remember the first song that they sang. So it's, I feel like these songs haven't been great for Chris.

They've been better for Brie. So when they changed it up, I thought, well, there he is. There's Chris on stage. I felt like before he's just been complimenting her, which has still been really sweet to watch. So I thought this was a good performance halfway through to the end, which is kind of what the judge's feedback was. I mean, Pat said he was moved by their performance. I think all the judges really enjoyed it. And we did, too.

I think it was smart to have Brie and Chris go first because, I mean, there's only four couples left. You want to start it off. I think, like, from a production standpoint, you want to start it off kind of high and strong because the other three, for the most part, are a little bit shakier. And so I think to start them and be like, okay, this is kind of like the level we're aiming for. and then let's go from there, I think made sense. Yeah, yeah. And I think, yeah, we've seen Rudy and Matt go first twice.

So, yeah, we needed to change it up a bit. So here comes Jamie and Trevor. I don't even know if we should call her Jamie because she is a brand new woman. I mean, she's got pep in her step. She is smiling. She has all the confidence in the world, which it's great. And I'm sure that was great for Trevor too because he's like, who tell her I'm falling in love with her paid off.

goodness i didn't do it in vain so they it gave her the confidence that she needed i maybe he snuck her some CBD drops in her drinking maybe whatever did it worked you know did i really like their performance all that much not necessarily i really didn't kind of vibe with the song but i was happy to see jamie confident it was a refreshing to watch her yes and and i'm glad that she's kind of starting to feel more comfortable and when anyone gets some confidence i think think it's a beautiful thing. And so to see her complete 180 from last week was great. But the beginning like cuddle thing that's been on stage was cringe worthy, Rachel. Oh my gosh. I had to do a double take and I was like, no, just sing. Don't do this. It wasn't smooth. No, it was not.

It wasn't cute. I also noticed that Jamie. has a heavy hand and by that i mean every time she puts her hand on trevor's face neck it's heavy it's almost like she slaps them she doesn't it's there's not it doesn't caress it's not gentle she doesn't stroke it she slaps that hand off i i wish people could see rachel right now on this recording because like the way that you're making your hands so light is beautiful but dude i would do the same thing i have heavy hands too. She has a y'all have that in

common. Y'all got a hell of a handshake. I don't know what the hell to do with my hands. So,

she still, let's just go back and watch the clip. Yeah. I'm like, loosen it up, caress him, be gentle with it.

Tender with it. Yeah. Boom. I mean, I bet his voice was shake. I didn't even catch that part,

but I bet his voice shakes when she does it too. Yeah. Um, I will agree with you. It wasn't my favorite performance.

It wasn't my favorite song. This, though, for me, was the first time that I felt like Trevor held it down and like performed above above her.

I don't know. Something like, and she's a great singer, they're just something. I don't know. It didn't do it for me. Well, Pat called her nervous and awkward and I thought,

I don't know if that's a compliment if you're saying she's quirky and like that's her style, but I was like, geez, yikes. I mean, but he didn't say it in a mean way. Okay, Natasha and Ryan. Yikes. Yikes.

When they started off, okay, first of all, Annie Grammer said last week, and this did make the cut, but he said Ryan is more comfortable singing when he has a guitar in his hand. So when he started off without the guitar, I thought, oh, God, here we go.

And then he grabbed it, but that turned out to be a huge mistake. The entire thing, it was just like a what is happening moment for me. Yeah. And, you know, if the viewers will remember, like, when they first got their songs before they actually performed it,

Ryan was sitting there and he's like, yeah, I kind of want to make this my own, which I get as a musician and if you feel comfortable and you're able to do that, go for it. This though was not it. I don't know what the heck was going on up there. It was like 14 songs and styles wrapped up into one performance and it was off. I mean, yeah, shout out to the cameraman who caught the drummer's facial expression when he was like, I'm sorry, what am I doing? Which beat do I catch? Because I mean, it was so, I don't, I don't, I didn't even know realize they were singing perfect anymore that's how off it was and natasha's later you hear her say i messed it up i sang the wrong part i don't even think that was it i mean you are working with a musical director and a band and you have rehearsals for a reason it's almost as if they were like you know what let's just make this our own i don't even think that's the shit they practiced in rehearsals they just got up there and we're like we're going to self-eliminate because that's what that's basically what it seems like it was i did not understand what was happening in that performance as randy said best it's a no for me dog yeah yeah yeah it was it was awful i mean this sounds really bad but

obviously we have favorites when it comes to this and we are both big rudy fans and i remember thinking okay rudy and matt can be on the chopping block because um they're they don't have chemistry they seem to be off, but when Natasha and Ryan didn't succeed in their performance, I thought, and we're back. We're going to get Rudy another week. You know what, between those two, I feel like I get a very Christina Euler vibe with Natasha and then a huge John Mayer vibe with Ryan, and I just don't think they match. Yeah, they don't. They don't. They're equally great in their own right. They don't, I don't think they're meant to perform with people.

And apparently they're not meant to perform with a band. band as well after what we saw on stage. Yes, no. So then we get into, judges didn't like it either. We get into the performance of the night. I mean, it's so not fair that Rudy and Matt get the best songs, but they also get the best songs because they are the best together on stage. They are light years ahead of everybody else as far as harmonizing and the way that they

mesh and blend on stage. Dare I say it, Becca? they sounded better than Lady Gaga and Bradley Cooper together. Now, I'm not saying Rudy sounds better than Lady Gaga by herself. I'm saying together, because let's admit, Bradley Cooper's not a singer. He took singing lessons for five months to just be able to sing that part. They were better as a duet. I'm glad that you brought up the harmony because I'm like a seventh grader when I take notes.

But around this sentence that I wrote, I put little hearts all around it. but I said that harmonizing was gold. They did so well together, and I don't even think, like, you can't, stylistically, I think Lady Gaga and Rudy are so different, so you can't even really compare them. But what they did on stage people was I would pay to see a concert and to just have those two sing that song 12 times in a row. It was amazing. And I'd be fine with it.

It was so good. And, oh, sorry, go ahead, go ahead. I was going to say after they performed, the part that I really enjoyed was when they were separate, they were interviewing. And Matt said, this was the cute part that I wish if Rudy could see, like, he likes you. He might not be where you're at, but he likes you because he was like, man, when Rudy just went off and took that note and went hard, it was so good. And like, the way that he was talking about her performing together, it's like, that's what she needs to hear and see. And like, seeing that, I think, was more special than. hearing him sit there and like try to come like say fake words to her yeah yeah the problem is that rudy is comparing their relationship to other people's in the house and thinking that they're behind if they were outside of this it would be just fine but she's they're not as fast as other people and that's that's the problem i think jamie said they're they're a slow burn and i like the way that she said that because that's actually true no the way rudy and matt saying it

they put a little r and b soul on it the way they would end it like i guess each bar, however you want to say it? Like, it was beautiful. At one point, I go, and then I'm watching it, Evan Ross is like, uh, and I was like, exactly, pretty much. Did you catch her wink when she started singing the second

verse? And it's kind of talking about, like, are you scared, boy, whatever the words are, I don't know. But, um, and she kind of gives him this, like, sassy little wink and I was like, yes, girl, but it was good. It was so good. It wasn't fair. It wasn't fair. It wasn't fair to let, um, them sing first it just wasn't um god they saved the best for last right and so we already kind of alluded to

it but there's a rose ceremony and no surprise here after watching that performance natasha and ryan go home it was sad to see natasha get emotional and say she messed it up for ryan and she hopes he's not mad at her which made me think well she really does care about him you know it's just not love yeah i think outside of this show they're going to go on and do great things just not together Right. So that's together. And that's, you're right. And so now we move on to the final three and we'll see what happens next.

But before we get into all that, it's that time. Because just in a moment, we have none other than Rita Freakin Wilson on the podcast. This woman, let me get my fingers out, is a singer, actress, producer, activist, and the ultimate boss. And it is an honor to have her on our show. She has a new country single out right now called. Where's My Country Song? And she's also a guest judge on next week's finale of Listen to Your Heart. Everyone, please put your hands together or snap your fingers because it's Rita Wilson.

Well, welcome, Rita. We are so excited to have you on The Bachelor Happy Hour podcast today. And we can't wait to see all that you have to say on the show. First and foremost, though, I want to ask, were you a fan of The Bachelor or Bachelorette or Paradise before all of this? yes the bachelor yet i yes i did not watch bachelor in paradise but yeah i mean there's always something to talk about and it's always a wonderful interesting choose your words carefully yes to put it nicely yes well how was your time on listen to your heart and being one of the guest judges to be honest with you it's

it's hard I love I love music I love songwriting I love singing so I was really excited about the concept of the show and being a judge

is very judging it's hard to be judgy because what you think in your head and what you want to say for me I want to always find something positive to say. And it was the finale. So it was a big decision. All the judges have to decide and choose,

as you know, who gets to stay and who gets to go. So there's some pressure involved, but I think everybody is going to be, what's the word? I think it'll be clear to everybody who the winner is. Okay. Okay. That's, I mean, that's a big hint. That's a big hint. So we, I judge two weeks before you, and I do agree with you. But I'm extremely opinionated, but I found it hard when it came time to deliberate and figure out, okay, but who actually has to go home? I didn't want that job. I didn't want that pressure. I can't imagine, you know, having to do it at the finale. But I do have to say that we know that you have a love and a knowledge of music and specifically country music and we're told, because we haven't seen everything yet,

but we're told that you light up with every single performance just because of the passion that you have. When did all of this start for you? Well, I started songwriting about seven years ago, and when I did, it was because another songwriter, Kara DiGuardi said to me, you should write songs. And I was like, well, I don't read music or play an instrument. She said, it's okay. do you have something you want to say? And when she said that, it was like, yes, this is about telling stories. And that's one of the reason why I love country music so much is because there's so much great storytelling in there.

So she wrote my first two songs with me, and then I just started writing and going down in Asheville a lot and writing down there. And to me, it's been one of the most rewarding things. And I feel like, I don't know, I feel like I'm my most truest self, when I'm writing a song or when I'm singing. Well, so I have a question, because you mentioned Nashville, and obviously the episode that you're on takes place in Nashville.

And obviously, it produces so many artists, so much musical talent just within that city. So what is it? Is there just something, like, magical with Nashville and musicians? What is it? Yeah, Nashville is a city that reveres songwriters and reveres musicians. It's called Music City for a reason. It's just you walk down the street and there's,

music coming out of all of these bars and clubs and everybody working there wants to be a musician or a songwriter. And I was talking to Jimmy Allen, the amazing country singer and songwriter. And he said he was sleeping in his car, you know, while he was trying to make it in Nashville. And now he's, you know, all over the radio. So I think it's a place where you feel those dreams living in people. And it's really exciting. people are really nice there too i just i just love going down yeah it's so oh no go ahead beck oh i was just going to agree i've only been to nashville once uh my fiance and i took a trip there right after my season surprisingly and we're only there for four days and and i'm from a very small town in

minnesota but it felt like you know as big as the city is it still felt connected and you kind of have like the small town vibe and that just the comfortableness and um the welcomes and um the well like we felt so welcome there so I fell in love with the city so I get why people go there why they want to produce music and perform there it's just a really special place I heard that it's now the number one destination for bachelorette parties oh yes did you see do you see the buses that they have these big buses with the tops down and and everyone's screaming and hawk it I don't know what they're called buses or carts or something where you're like it's a bar And you know, the kind of pubs.

And I'm drinking. It's like, oh, my God. It is. Blasting, you know. It's like very funny. It's such a good time. I was there. Well, now my husband, my fiance at the time, we were there for the draft.

And we went out to celebrate. And my husband goes, I think I'm going to have my bachelor party here. And I thought, what are you looking at? What's making you look around to think, hmm, this is where I need to have my bachelor party. I'm from Dallas, but I went to school in Austin, and it's very much so reminds me of Austin. I feel like it is the new. And Austin's another music city.

I mean, they've just got incredible music, and they have the film festival in South by Southwest. And so, I mean, I don't know, there's something just really fun about National. It's beautiful, too. Let's face it. And, you know, you're outside more. If you're going to Vegas for a bachelorette party,

literally, do you ever see the outside? there are no windows. That's true. Not to sing, not to sing Vegas. I'm just thinking like, for me, I'd want to have some outside time. Vegas is tired. It's all about Nashville now. Room for both.

Room for both. Who inspires you? And maybe the answer is different for you as far as when it comes to singing and then maybe songwriting. Who are your inspirations? I think there are. two things. The first part of how I'll answer that is that stories inspire me and people inspire me. Even like on the new song that I have coming out, it's called Where's My Country Song? And

it was really inspired by the women that in some ways are like my mom that worked and at home and cooked for us and sewed for us and took really good care of us and loved us. And it's also for those women who might be single parents and single mothers who are trying to get by in the world, and also for the women who are behind the scenes. You know, we don't see the people who are getting our agriculture to us or are working in a factory that are making sure that, you know, our Lysol wipes are being delivered to us in time. And it's really, so I look for stories that are surrounding me and right in front of me. And sometimes those stories are coming from within myself.

In terms of musical influence, I love, I love Joni Mitchell, Linda Ronstadt, Dolly Parton, Brandy Carlisle, you know, the women that are doing the great storytelling right now, and always have been. So, you know, I tend to go for, I guess, the story. Mm-hmm. Do you, when you are songwriting, do you ever, or did you ever keep old journals, or is that kind of where you pull some inspiration from as well? I really wish I had kept journals. I would have loved to have seen those journals, like what did 15-year-old me, you know, think of important. So I don't keep a journal, probably because I'm so private that I would be afraid that somebody would find it and do something. Post it all over Instagram. I don't want to back. But I keep, now I have songwriting journals,

and sometimes in those journals, all sorts of ideas come out. And in my phone, I keep a list of, you know, just song titles, song ideas, song, you know, thoughts, partial lyrics, full lyrics. So that's sort of, my phone has become sort of, I guess, a version of that kind of a journal. So you touched on your new thing,

that just really is perfect time for Mother's Day, honestly. And the lyrics itself are just lovely. But watching that lyric video, it's so beautiful with all of the old vintage clips pushed together. Did you have a say in how that was all portrayed and put together with the lyrics itself? I was really inspired by the video that John Legend put out for his song, Conversations in the Dark. and that director, Luke Eisner, happens to be an actor as well.

And so we reached out to Luke and told him what the idea was, and he, I said, I'd like to do a similar thing to conversations in the dark, but I'd really like to highlight women, women throughout the decades in America and what they've really done to keep our country going, to keep their families going and to, and sometimes they're unseen. You know, I'm a first generation American and my mom and dad both had accents. And I saw sometimes that my mom or my dad could be invisible and particularly my mom

because she didn't have a job and she wasn't, you know, she was American, but she wasn't a typical American because she wasn't, you know, raised here. So I remember having a sort of like being able to observe the differences in sort of what people do. Like my mom, even though she might have been treated sometimes with not a lot of respect because of her accent, she was my hero. She was the person who was, I mean, I looked up to her and I thought she was amazing. So when people sort of sent a message that they didn't think she was amazing, that really infuriated. perioded me because it's like, no, you don't understand. She's raising three kids and she cooks fresh meals for us every day and she's doing our laundry and she's sewing our bedspreads

and our clothes. And, you know, so I really, that experience in a way taught me to empathize with people who sometimes may not have the spotlight put on them for really the value that they bring to our country. I think that is so beautiful. I'm trying not to be like political. So I'm trying to move it around. We should use our voices. It's like it's very important to do that. Like that's what you learn when you get to be my age.

It's like I'm just saying what I want to say from now on because how hard do I have left? I want to be able to say the truth and we got to pay it forward for the next generation. Yeah. And I and I say I love your message and I say I'm trying not to be, but I totally am. But I'm, like, emotional right now just because there's a lot going on in the country, and I, like, have been vocal about it on social media, and I've just, it strikes a chord with me that you're using your platform in such a beautiful way to give a voice to the voiceless. And I'm so excited for everyone to hear your single on Friday, and I'm so excited that you have this video that portrays it and displays it as well. I love, though, that your interest in music is also so deeply rooted in stories. and writing about stories.

And I wonder, because we'll ask you this question in a little bit too, about different genres of music, but has it always been country music for you because of the stories, or are you interested in other genres as well? Totally interested in other genres, because the genre isn't the thing, it's the story. So you look for the stories within the genre. like if you look at the Beatles for example and a song like she's leaving home you know she's getting up this young girl and she's going to go off with some guy that she met in the motor train

it's like no come back and what are her parents doing they're like they get a note in the morning that their daughter has left like that was heartbreaking to me and then also you look at something like even hip hoperet like to me that was like learning a whole different language and and um almost shakespearean in its but it's also it was really about the story of giving props to hip hop and all of the people that came before naughty by nature that has a story in it as well uh for me country music was one of those things, but there was also a song by like bread that was this song called Everything I Own.

And I remember driving in the car with my mom. And the song is really about loss. It's about losing someone, I think, who died. And I think who's died. I guess it could be a relationship. But my mom and I were driving in the car and she's like in her Greek accent, do you know what this song is about? Well, I don't know.

I was, I was really young, and she says, what do you think it's about? I said, I think it's about somebody, you know, losing a boyfriend or something. And she's like, I think it's about somebody who, somebody died. And I, you know, having those conversations with my mom driving in the car, I think also helped formulate how I look at, heard music and what the visuals were to it. It can be anything from an upbeat song, you know, like, look, love child, Diana Ross, what an amazing song to sing about, you know, a woman who gets pregnant out of wedlock, but she doesn't mean she doesn't love her child, right? It's still a child. And even Tammy Wynette, when she sang, D-I-V-O-R-C-E, I mean, nobody, they had to spell it out because nobody could talk about getting a divorce. that so the child wouldn't hear.

So to me, it's really about what are they really trying to say here, you know? I was just going to say, you know, in sync, redid the song, Everything I Own. That's how I first heard it. Yes, on their first album. Yes. If I am thinking of this song, I would give everything I want, to give up my life, my heart, my home. Just to have you. Just to have you back again, Rita.

Yes. In sync, we did it. I know, I know. Rina, I was, I'm just, it's, it's so amazing. And I'm glad that we can see you and talk to you on Zoom for this podcast, because just to see, like, how much you light up, even when you talk about the music and the genres and the storytelling, it's so inspiring. And it's something that Rach and I touched on, I think a few weeks ago, um, music has such a unique way to touch people in different ways. And there are certain songs that you hear, like when you were driving with your mom and heard that song that. you remember the exact day where you were, maybe what you were wearing, what you were feeling. And it's one of the few things. Music is one of the few things that can really touch people in that way that you just can't even explain it. And so I love talking to you and hearing your take on things and seeing your passion for it. It's really special. Thank you. I really hope, you know, now that when watching the show, listen to your heart, I really hope that they

incorporate if it goes to season two more original music because I think that's where the real connection is going to be and where some of the tension will be too because when you're writing a song it is incredibly intimate and incredibly revealing

and so maybe there's a way to do a cover song and an original song because I at the finale which you won't see I don't think that they will air it on the finale but they're one couple sang one of their original songs

or part of one of their original songs and it was so good and that to me is really showing who that person is because look I've done cover songs, I did a whole album of cover songs called AMFM

and it's very specific to try to interpret someone else's song but when you're writing your own song and then you're writing with someone you're involved with that's going to be a whole different things. So I hope that they try to do that, you know, moving forward. I couldn't do it. We talk about this in the podcast. I could not date a musician, a song, right? You sing one note,

one lyric about me, and I'm like putty in your hands. I can't, I would not be, they can't do, they cannot incorporate that. It would be beautiful, but I would be like, I can't be a judge. I can't be a judge. Ryan's going to have to hold me back. But you, you touched on this. And so I have to ask you the story behind this. You mentioned hip hop, hooray. We saw it on your Instagram. It went viral. It was everywhere. But how did you learn the lyrics to that? And are you a hip hop fan? I'm totally a hip-hop fan. I have to thank my son Chet Hanks for that because in the 90s, he was really into hip-hop. And it took me a month to learn that song. I had to learn it, two lines at a time and then build on those two lines because nothing made sense to me.

Like, what is vamping? I don't know. You know, what is OPP? What is OPP? What is OPP? I know. I had to go to like Urban Scylictionary. I don't know. But there was nothing about it that had any sort of consistency. So each line was different. Each rhythm was different. Each rhythm was different. and I had to get it in my body because it just didn't like I couldn't I couldn't figure it out and it made me have such enormous respect for hip hop because it's really hard to do and that's all written somebody wrote that that's flow that they got to do but it's also again storytelling and so and that storytelling is coming from a very truthful place and something that's very authentic to the

songwriter. And that's why earlier when you asked me about genre, it's like it doesn't really matter. You know, country is really known for storytelling, but every genre has storytelling. And, you know, look at Al Green. I mean, Al Green, even he had amazing stories in his

songs, Marvin Gay, the Beach Boys, you name it. They're all out there with their stories. And then as singer-songwriters came into the mix, you know, like in the late 60s, early 70s, and it became very, very personal. Yeah, you can get me talking about songwriting.

I'll be talking about it. That son will never set because I'll be talking about it. Well, the videos on your Instagram account of you with the hip hopperate, so good. You nailed it. You fooled me because it seemed to come so naturally. It was awesome. Garrett and I, my fiancé, I was showing him the videos today. And he's like, holy crap, she can sing.

fast. I'm like, mm-hmm. He said sing fast of Zach. That's Garrett for you. So I loved it. One last thing before I asked me to come and perform with them live sometimes. So as soon as tours are back up. Oh yeah. And believe me, I'm doing that. I have to. You have to. Go on stage and sing hip hop, hooray with naughty. That's, I just want to be in the background, wave of my hands like they do in the video. Hey. Rachel and I will be your hype women in the back. That's right. One last thing I want to ask you before we go or talk about, you performed at stagecoach last year. Now, you may not know this, but stagecoach is a big deal in Bachelor Nation. There's a lot of drama that's specifically last year's stage coach. It could have been because of you, Rita. Who knows? It was very incestuous in the bachelor family. And it's. It was very incestuous in the Bachelor family. And it's

spilled over into Bachelor in Paradise. It was a huge storyline, but it's such an honor to perform at a stage coach. Obviously, it didn't happen this year. So if you could just tell us what that was like, since we know our listeners love stagecoach. And maybe what you're looking forward to when you do it next year, because we're putting it out there. You'll be there next year as well. Yeah, let's put it out there. When you're pouring is back up and festivals back up, got to do it again.

Stage coach was amazing. And I have to say that last year, which was really exciting, they made a concerted effort because there's a woman who was one of the people who's programming stagecoach, and she's like, we have to have more women in stagecoach. Because the year before, I think there were like two women or something, and it was an all-male lineup. So a lot of women in the last couple of years have been programming festivals. I did one in Chicago called Lake Shake that had all Friday night was an all-female lineup Miranda Lambert

Merrin Morris Lauren Elena and that was incredible so that's one thing I want to say but it was also just incredible I don't know I love performing outdoors and I love performing in that warm desert wind that's just like

wafting over you and it's a breeze and people are all happy and you know sitting on each other's shoulders and, you know, waving and singing along, and it's an incredible festival. And backstage, they set up your backstage area in trailers, but kind of in a circle. And they create a little patio living room area. So in our circle was Linnard, Skinnerd, and Cam, myself, Michael Ray. And it was super fun, you know, because it's like, yeah, maybe I should do a song with

Skinner, like just... Why not? You know, I think I should just be going with all the legends and, you know, hardcore Southern Country Rock. That's all. Looking forward to it. You heard it here first, you guys. Well, Rita, thank you so much for doing this.

Thank you for watching. Yes, we're so excited that you have come into Bachelor Nation. We're so excited for your new single that's coming out on Friday. You guys have to check it out. we'll be blasting it too as well and we look forward to everything that you have coming up as well too thank you it's called where's my country song if you're searching for it and also check out that music video because lyric video yes it's beautiful yeah it's very cool the the song and the lyrics and the video all wrapped in one it's just it's gold so thank you so much for sharing your time with us today

i loved hearing all about about this passion i feel like the world needs more passion especially these day. So thank you so much. Thank you so much, ladies. Lovely me. You take care. Bye. Bye. How cool was she? She was awesome. She was just like a down chick. I could have talked to her for hours. And she, well, and that's the thing. It's like she is like this mega celebrity. Like, she is an actress, a singer, a sunwriter, like everywhere. And it's like we felt so comfortable talking to her. I mean, we're literally sitting in our closets. Like, we're sitting in our closets talking to Rita Wilson. What is life?

Come on, that's our happy hours. I'll be okay. I will say, because I've, okay, I've made this comment in the past that you could not pay me enough to go to stagecoach. But if Rita Wilson was performing, I would go to see her. Yeah, I think that there's certain, so I am a closet, pun intended, 90s country music fan. Like, big time. And I actually went to Country Music Awards was in Dallas for one year. And there was a pre-concert, and they paired up new school with old school.

And it was the best thing ever because I'm listening to Clint Black and Alan Jackson and Dina Car. And, like, that's the country music that I like. And it is more of storytelling than the pop that it is now. So to hear her say she's in, like, an artist circle with Leonard Skinnerd Cam, I love Cam. Cam, yeah, I'm like, see, I would go for that. I'd go for that. I'm just not into the newer age country music, which I got reamed, by the way, for saying I wasn't a Swifty on my social media. But here's the thing. Music has changed. I mean, in any genre, it's changed her at the years. And so I love how she goes back to the basics. And it is truly about that storytelling, because that's like where the heart of a song is. And I think along the way, Sometimes people lose it. You add in, like, all these, I don't even want to get into it, like, the

electronic tech, whatever it might be. It's pop. It's pop. And it just takes away, I think, from that story. And so I love how she focuses on that. I will say, Rachel, if Rita Wilson and Stevie Nix got together to perform, I would probably need a coffin. I would have a heart attack. It would be performance gold, storytelling gold, because one thing that they both have in comment, I think, is storytelling, because I've seen CV-Nix perform, and she just has so many stories in between each set that she plays. And so those two together would be phenomenal. So I'm just, I'm going to put it out there. No, I love it. And I might be going off a little bit, but did she tell the story of how she came up with Landslide? I don't remember if she told that one.

So I don't know if I'm making, Landslide is one of my favorite songs. And the reason it is is because I don't know if I made this up, dreamed it, or read it somewhere, but I read that she, I think I read, that she was about to give up on music and was like sitting at a coffee shop and looking at like looking out the window and there's a mountain there. And that's what the lyrics are about. She's talking to music. Well, I've been making changes. I've lived my life around you. Like she's talking to the music. And I guess whatever it is, the landslide brought her back down, like brought her back right to where she needed to be. Yeah. to continue on the path.

I don't know if I made that up or not, but it's, I love dreamer songs and I love, like somewhere over the rainbow is one of my favorite songs. Anyways. You just gave me the chills. I don't know if I made that up or I read that. But now go back and listen to the song,

knowing that, knowing what Stevie Nix brings to the music world and that she was about to give it all up. And through that, she wrote landslide. And that is why Rita Wilson's interview is so important because it is all about storytelling and when you find out the story and the reason behind the song, it just makes it so much more rich. It does. It does. It makes it special. And again,

like what I said a little bit ago is music has this way to uniquely touch you and to make you remember things and see things in a different light that nothing else can do. And so I mean, I loved having her on and hearing her passion about it because it's like, You can talk to people, and everyone has a different way that they bond and connect with their music. And hers is just a really beautiful thing. So again, we were lucky to have her on. We were, yeah. So where's my country song?

Her new single that just came out, it has this lovely lyric video with it. So check it out. But Rachel, we have more to cover. Yes, we have more to cover. If you thought we've had great guests on Bachelor, not just Bachelor Happy Our podcast, but just on Listen to Your Heart, period. We've had Shaggy, well, Rita Wilson is coming. Who else have we had? We had, well, we had Kesha, my new BFF.

We can't forget Kesha, Jason Moraz, Andy Grammer, obviously contests from the show. We've seen a lot of faces on our, well, I shouldn't say our stage because it's not mine, but on the Listen to Your Heart stage, and it's been incredible. Yes, and it doesn't stop. So next week, you've already heard from Rita Wilson. So you get to see her, but we also have Tadig's, Jewel, and we have Caitlin and Jason, the bachelor couple that'll be there. And all of this is going down in Nashville, which Chris Harrison let the couple know, the couples know that at the end of the episode. And also next week is the finale, which I was actually shocked because for some reason in my mind, I thought there were only two couples in the finale.

But they're three, which is great, which means more music, more drama, more love stories. So you guys don't want to miss it because at the end of this episode, one couple is taking it. all. It's crazy to think that we're nearing the end. And I'm a little bit sad. I'm of course excited to see who wins, but I feel like I have just fallen in love with the show. I love just the talent that these contestants bring to the table. I feel so invested at this point. And I really do like all of the couples. I think they all are very unique and they're all different within themselves. So it's been really cool to see them unfold. And whoever wins, of course, we'll be happy about it.

But I'm not going to lie. Rudy's voice, guys. There's something about Rudy for me. I don't know what it is. Rudy and Matt are standing on shaky ground. So I'm not much sure what they're going to do. But thank goodness we have them for another week. Yes.

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