Bachelor Happy Hour - Susan Gets Real About Her Long-Distance Relationship and Kathy Dishes on Her Vacation | Golden Hour

Episode Date: May 29, 2026

Today on “Golden Hour,” Kathy and Susan are catching up and diving into your questions. We kick things off getting into the ladies’ vacation; Kathy talks all about her travels in London and Portugal, and Susan tells us all about her fabulous Miami trip. Then, we dive into some Bachelor Nation news. We’re breaking down Ali Manno’s “sleep divorce,” Alex Cooper’s beef with Lauren Burnham, and more. Next, Susan and Kathy discuss long-distance relationships and how Susan makes hers work. And, of course, we’re getting into your dating questions and giving you some advice. Tune in now and be sure to subscribe!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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And I'm Susan. Glad to be back. How are you? How's your vacation going, girlfriend? Okay. Susan, so much to tell you. First of all, I'm in Lisbon. I just arrived her half an hour ago.

Half an hour I was standing on the street corner and had to find the Airbnb. Thank God my niece. But can I just tell you about a little bit about this trip. Yes. I have a big suitcase. My niece, like, forget Goober's, forget taxis. We're just lugging them up and down elevators, up and down stairs. It's nuts.

We've been doing it like the locals, okay? We get down to the train today from Porto to get to Lisbon. And I'm on the train. We are like crying on us. We're lugging suitcases and food bags, because God forbid, we would leave any food in Porto and not bring it with us to Lisbon. I get on the train and I'm almost in tears and all of a sudden I hear, are you Kathy from the Golden Bachelor? It doesn't matter where we are. And so anyway, we get long story short, we get here. It's a three hour train ride from Porto to

Lisbon. We get here. Google Maps has a screwed out. Here's the deal. I'm loving this vacation. I am seeing so many fabulous sites, but on the way to our Airbnb, and this Airbnb is beautiful. I'm like a quarter of a mile from a Ferrari dealer. So I think I'm going to pass on. Just go hang out front. I'm going to hang out looking for guys because tomorrow, Susan, I think you know this, would be my 53rd wedding anniversary. So I'm going to celebrate. I'm going to get a glass of port.

I was going to hang out at the fire dealer and wait for Mr. Wright to come. What do you think? There you go. How have you been? You were in Miami. How was your trip? Oh, my God. The bombshell, bad-ass boss babes. It was a fabulous, fabulous. I stayed at the Ritz Carlton, went out on a yacht, a caviar. It was spectacular. We went to Versace Mansion for dinner, and let me just tell you, Kath, it is such a tourist trap. They need a new bartender. I only drink one drink, French martini.

and the other two ladies had an espresso martini, and I complained immediately. It was not good. And they complained, so I taste that they're so watered down. So we sent all three back and had them remake them. They were just as bad. You know what? I'm going, here's my plan, Susan.

I've already told Wells, I'm going to be a bartender with Wells. I'm going to take a bartending class, and I'm going to learn. You and I are going to be bartending in paradise. That's my newest plan. I can do the social part of it, not making it. fancy drinks, that's for sure. You know, I can poor wine.

Come on, they're young people. They drink beer and vodka and occasionally they have a man at. Okay, we've got to get to our Bachelor News, right? We've had a huge week in Bachelor Nation News. You want to get into this? You want to start? Go ahead. You could start off.

All right. So the first one is Lauren Burnham-Lyndyke. Some more drama with Alex Cooper. and okay, I don't even get this. Alex Cooper and Alex Earle, they've been feuding because Alex Earle's hot mess podcast was dropped from Cooper's Unwell Network. That was in 2025, okay?

And they're still feuding? They're so feuding. So Lauren is team Alex Earle all the way, and I couldn't figure out why until I did a little research and apparently some comments were made on Cooper's podcast, you know, call her daddy about her daughter Alessie. Now, I've got to say, that's hitting below the belt. I agree. It is. But that went back in 2019. We are seven years later. But I will say, we're both parents. A feud is a feud. But do you agree with me that parents, like say what you want about. me, but don't bring my kids into it. And a baby, a young child, uh-uh. Do you agree with me that

you really shouldn't bring kids into social media drama? I mean, really, if they're under the age of 18, it should be off-limits. Do you agree? I agree. So did you hear her at the newest news? Oh, she's going to have a baby. Go to have a baby. Do you think her point of view will change about bringing kids on to, you know, talking about children on podcast? When she has her own? Yes, indeed. Yes, indeed. Because they probably give, she gave no thought to that. Yeah. But you know what? Congratulations to having a baby. I hope that she pauses and thinks it through a little bit more. And, God, could we put this feud to rest? I know. Let it go. Let it go. Let it go. Let it go. Okay. Why don't she got in the news? What else?

Kathy, let's talk about our beautiful Hannah Brown. Just recently, she revealed how she really felt about Tyler Cameron dating Gigi. I know. She did admit that she would date her herself because she's beautiful. The problem was it was a little soon when she saw them in New York together right after. Like, that's a lot. And they're both happily married. I mean, they're both on their way with their relationships. They're both happy. But somebody pulled that out of her and she said it out loud. Yeah. I mean, I think the most important thing here is that they're both happily in relationships. And I would say, you know, I thought about it for a minute. I mean, Hannah's married to Adam, who I told you, I met in Paris, most handsome guy ever. And if he wanted older women, he'd be mine. But I can't compete with Hannah. But I do think that had to be hard back when it happened, right? You think he's yours.

You think it's, you know, she called him to have a drink. And then, like, two days later, he's out with hers. He's in New York with her. Yeah. So, you know, it's a problem. All right. Well. I mean, it's being human.

you know that's human nature of course you're going to think like a little sting like wow you move fast a little sting i agree i agree okay let's move on to ali fedatowski uh ali fetidowski mano is her last name i believe she reveals why she's decided to sleep divorce her husband i would let you start out this one susan so i did that for years and and when we were talking about what did i say to you Susan slept with her husband, then she slept, divorced her husband, then she divorced her husband. You got all the bases covered, girlfriend. But there's nothing like your own bed, let me tell you. But okay, but let me ask you something.

I'm curious, how many people do you think actually, they've got two kids, they've been married nine years, and she gave three reasons. And that's what I thought was interesting. The first one I thought was interesting. They have sleeper. They have the two kids and they have sleepovers with the kids, okay, on the weekends. One takes one. The other takes the other one.

And then they said the guest bedroom is the most comfortable bed in the house. They fight over it. They fight over the bed. You know what? Get another comfortable mattress. That could solve problem number two. Kathy, you know what it's like to have your own room, your own bed. You sleep so good.

Susan, you have no idea how well I know. No, it's been years. And then the other thing she said, and this one made sense, Kevin gets up for work at 3 a.m. And I can imagine that would be tough day after day after day. But now I'm going to put you on the spot, girlfriend. Back when you were married, happily married, back when I was happily married, what did you think? How did you feel when you said, oh, man, I can't handle the snoring? No, it wasn't that.

Dickie had a habit of sleeping. on the sofa. He always fell asleep downstairs. And in the beginning, I didn't like it. And then I got used to it. Then when he would decide to come up, he was like disturbing my peace. Oh, God, that's, okay, see, you know what I did again. Tomorrow would be my 50th third wedding anniversary, just saying, but can I tell you what we did and I loved it? He would get in bed. I have very cold hands and feet. I mean, they've been laughing the whole time of this vacation. You know me, Susan. They're peeling off their clothes. I got two sweaters on. I'm dying, right? And, but when I was married, I would put my feet on my husband's legs on his back anywhere because he was a engine. It was warm me up. Yeah. So I don't think I could

I don't think I could. I don't know. Maybe. But I mean, it's working for them. That 3 a.m. alarm, that would convince me, you can sleep here on the. weekends. Thank you very much. No, they're sleeping with the kids on the weekend, remember. But I got to say I hand it to Allie and Kevin for being so honest about that it works for them. And at the end of the day, baby, if it works for you, do it. Well, if you think about our golden years, so many goldens have their own rooms now. They have their own rooms. I'm sorry. Where did you read this? Pardon me? How do you know this? How do you know this? from talking to people.

I was shocked a couple times like, really? Oh, yeah, he has his own damn room. Uh-uh. I go, well, she goes, and we could do that in there too, and then I go to my room. I love it. Video experience. Jelly Roll, live in Quebec City, a festival day te de Quebec.

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you and are going to take a poll of our friends and at a later podcast we're going to report back because I don't think that's true. All right. All right. Moving right along. All right. Dylan Barber says Hannah Godwin forcefully moved herself in with him and this was not by choice. I watched a little video of her sitting there saying, well, you know, I just brought my stuff.

And the next thing you know, all my stuff is there. Okay. I thought of you when I was reading it. this, I've thought of you. She says, let's start at the end first. She's got to have room for her clothes. She goes, the girl needs her clothes, right? I'm saying. In his

closet, taking over. Yeah. But you know what? She was living in, I think, in West Hollywood during COVID, and he was in San Diego. Dylan was in San Diego. And so she goes down there with a suitcase, maybe two or three.

And I'm sorry. I love L.A. I would live in L.A. I like San Diego better. Yes. I mean, if you offer me a place in San Diego with a good looking guy, I'm probably going to change that option, right? So I think a girl needs a clothes. Things just happen.

You know what, Kathy, you said she brings her, she's going down to stay with them a week or two, whatever, and she does it. She brings back empty suitcases back to her place and repacks. I mean, it sounds very efficient to me. That's what I'm going to say, very efficient. But you know what? I love.

I wish that I could meet a guy. Well, first of all, let's stop. Let's hard stop and I wish I could meet a guy. But if I could meet a guy who would let me move in and use his closets, like, come on. Come on. Some girls get all the walk. You'd have to build another closet for sure. Susan?

You guys don't even know how big Kathy's closet is. I have four bedrooms and four closets. And they're all filled with her clothes. Her closet could fit a nursery in there. I mean. but let me just for those of you Hannah in case you're listening if you run out a room in Dylan's closet

Susan just said four bedrooms four closets and what she didn't say is they're awful four of the clothes are filled with her closets when I go to visit Susan I get like 12 and a half inches of closet space and I'm sharing it with her stuff so that's awful oh my God I just love it there's so much news happening in Bachelor Nation right

tell. There's so much news every day, every day. Every day. Okay. Well, today's season, yes. I'm, you and I are in a long-distance relationship right now because you're in Pennsylvania, and I'm in Portugal, but our main topic is long-distance relationships. And as we all know, Susan is currently in one, and we're going to talk about her experience. I think most people know that Susan and I were in St. Martin. And, so, Susan got bored or wasn't sleeping or whatever. You don't remember. I do remember.

The espresso martini and couldn't go to sleep. I was trying to keep it, I was trying to keep it PG. But yeah, Susan's down in the martinis and gets on us an app. I had one. Don't listen to her. She's so full of shit. So Susan gets on. Go ahead.

Tell the story. I told the story. I couldn't sleep. I played enough candy crush and I'm laying there. they're going, what am I going to do now? Kathy went to bed. I downloaded Tinder. It was the first person I saw three days later. I forgot to check. And there he was. And that's how we met. And Kathy had to do the first introduction because she speaks a little bit of French. He does not speak my language. I don't speak his at all. He speaks a little bit, a little bit.

But for those of you who have not heard the story before, we're sitting in a bar. He buys a to drink and they're both staring at their phones because they're using translation apps. And I've introduced them in French. I've done my bed. I'm out of there. And he's like, no, no, no, no, no. I'm like, oh no, no, no, I'm out of here. Kathy's running. So I text Nancy from our season. I said, Nancy, don't ask questions. Just call me. So the phone rings. I go, hello? I went, I looked at it, and Susan, I go, I'm sorry, I have to take this call. And I walk away. And I said, you're on your own, maybe, adios, and went back. So it was, that was the end of that. Okay. How long have you guys been together? A little over a year. It was a year on Valentine's Day. Okay. What made you

want to try long distance? Because I actually have never asked you that. You know, you don't think about it to tell you the truth. You realize he lives on an island and I live here. When you have chemistry, you don't care. You'll figure it out. Okay. After a year, however, things are different. Tell me how. Well, last year it was very easy because the day I was leaving and they were going surfing, I slipped, remember, and I broke my wrist and I had to fly home and had a plate and seven screws put in my wrist.

And I said, the doctor, do I have to rehab here? Can I rehab there? He said, sure. So we spent so much time together. Right. You know, this year, it's a lot different. The last time I saw them was February. Yeah. And you know what? In the beginning, it's like heartache. You miss them so bad. After a year and you know each other real well. It's kind of nice. No, I don't know. Actually, Susan, I don't know. Keep rubbing it in a girlfriend. Okay, I know you started. You alluded to it just now. What is it like not really being fluent in French and him not really being fluent in English? Tell me, and those people who are you, you alluded to it just now, what is it like not really being fluent in French? Tell me, and those people who are.

are thinking about a long-distance relationship, what is the hardest thing? Obviously for you, it's language. I get that. But other than language, what do you find to be the most difficult thing in a long-distance relationship? Understanding what he's saying. No, no, no, I said other than communication. It's the most difficult. Other than that, it's not bad. Is it not bad, not seeing each other regularly? Like I said, the first year it was, and now I'm getting used to it. I still have my own life, and he has his. Is that, so I'm guessing, I'm again, I know you very well. I think, and knowing you so well, I think that you like a long-distance relationship

because you correct me if I'm wrong, it seems to give you the opportunity to live your life. He lives his life, and when you come together, it's great. I hope it is this time. I won't see him until July, but, you know, at a sight, out of mind kind of thing. We do talk very often. And he has a tendency to go on and on in his broken English.

And if I'm preoccupied and I know he can tell, he gets upset with me, pay attention. It's like, I can't even understand what you're saying. If I don't have the translation and you kind of lose interest in the conversation, which is not good. Yeah, but I get it. That's probably the worst thing,

right? You guys aren't talking about relocating. No, absolutely not. I could not live there in the winter, in the summer. Absolutely not. Because of the heat. Oh, yes. It's so humid. Yeah. And Fred lives different than I do, Kathy, as you know. Like, he has no central air. There's air in the bedroom and that's where I live. Wait, for all of you, again, I know. The mosquitoes, the heat, like, oh, like. For those of you who, Susan and I are the odd couple, when I go there in the summer. I have to take sweaters because her air conditioner, there's icicles hanging on the windows and Susan's like, I'm so hot and I literally am freezing it out. So I can only imagine, I'm laughing. I can only imagine her in St. Martin where the guy only has an air conditioner in the bedroom. She probably is

just sweating with a bag of ice cream around her now. I look like an old hag in my moo-moo with sweat driven that I wear a head baby because I got to clean up the dog hair every freaking that. I can't. I can't. Seriously, between sweat. For those of you who want to know about the longevity of this relationship, let me just say, between the dog hair, the heat, and the lack of communication skills. I don't know. Maybe coming to an end here. The lack of communication sometimes is fine, because I don't know what the hell he's saying. I don't care. I don't know, Susan, maybe you should join me in Portugal and hang out at the Ferrari dealer. But you know, the best part, what does? work when we are together. Yeah. We have fun. He is just as silly as I am. He's spontaneous like me. His work ethics are different than mine. That's that's on the bad side. Is that a pro and a con?

Wait, well, I don't know what that means. What does that mean? His work ethics? He doesn't work like Susan works. Susan works. Susan's a go-getter. I've worked since the day I could, 14 years old. I've always worked two jobs because I had to have a fancy car, my whole entire life. Him, ah, it's island like, oh, yeah, you can't do this. I don't have the money. I'm like, are you fucking kidding to me? So that part grows on me. Like, my friends, he did come up and we had a great time.

You heard that story, and I'm sure our listeners did too because he went to the wrong Charleston. Yeah. He's still talking about the money. he spent on the dinners. Like he's not used to fine dining and spending that kind of money because he doesn't make that kind of money because he doesn't work every day. It's cause and effect, I understand.

Here's what I'm going to offer you. When I'm hanging at the Ferrari deal, keep your phone on because when I meet the guy in the next couple of days, I would ask me as a brother. Do you have a brother for my good friend? All right, well, you know what? dating long distance is a thing, like I said, I would, I just, I've never done it. But I think it probably has its pros and cons. It does. It really does. It's not that easy in the beginning when you're falling in love.

And then after, maybe it would be different if I didn't work, you know. And then you can't afford with the prices of airfare right now. It's ridiculous. Now, he's supposed to come for July. And Europeans, they come for holiday and they stay a month. After about three weeks, Kath, I'm biting myself like I'm chewing my nail. I don't even bite my nails. Let me just say, sleep divorce.

Susan is sleep divorce dating just so we all understand each other. All right. We're hoping that that all works out, but again, put the Ferrari dealer, put the Ferrari deal on the back burner there. Okay. Every week,

This is the part we love. We get to answer questions from our listeners, and we give them our expert golden advice, and I can't wait for these questions. Will you start us off? Sure, I will. I will. This one's from Whitney in New Jersey, my neighbor. I've been single for a while, and I genuinely enjoy my independence. We could agree with that, right, Kath? But I'm starting to wonder if I've become too comfortable on my own. When I do meet someone I like, I struggle with letting them into my routine and making space for them. How do you balance maintaining your independence while still being open to a relationship? Oh, Whitney Starlight. Okay, wait, I just have to say to our listeners, this is a fake question. This is really from Susan Knowles from Pennsylvania.

How do you answer it, Susan? It's so true. It's not. It's not. It's not. It's not. It's not. It's not. I'm, it. It's letting them into my routine, making the space for them is the hard part. Like I gave him his own room, okay, here in the house, gave him his own room. Keep all your stuff in here. Before the month was up, he had two rooms with suitcases, open, clothes everywhere. I was like, oh, my God, I did. And I had to start complaining because that's who I am. Remembering on the kitchen counter, after the first week, he,

at all his gadgets and everything's plugged in. I go, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. No, my kitchen counters are clear for a reason, not for your iPad and your computer and your phone. Go charge them in the other room. Well, so I'm going to say to you, to you and Whitney, I think that Whitney is confusing, and maybe you too, Susan, independence, you said making space. and you literally meant making space. And I think that's what Whitney is saying, how do you make space for them? She may have the same issue you have,

which is physically making space. There's a difference to me between being comfortable and doing independent. You don't give up everything because there's a man. You still keep your schedule. Well, I mean, how would I know? I'm very independent and single. But what I'm saying is if you find the man that you're interested in, it's what I always say.

You have to make some compromises. And so I would say to you, Whitney, if making spaces literal translation like Susan was speaking of, that's one thing. If you're talking about giving up your canasta game on Monday nights because he wants to watch Monday night football with you, you might have to make some concessions. So or even bigger things like you like to travel with your girlfriends. That's something you have to discuss with your partner so that you come to some equanimous decision where you're not fighting. You're both on the same page and you give and take. So I would say to you, Whitney, think about what it is you're really saying.

Is it giving up, do you feel like you're giving up your freedom? Because that's a different conversation. Do you agree? No. If I could add to that, Whitney, he is also going to be independent. He's also going to have his schedule. Maybe he doesn't.

In the middle, you both do your schedules, and then you make time for each other. Now, whether or not you want them there full time, that's a whole other picture. If you've never been married, obviously you've got to do it. You've got to live with them, and whether you're legally married.

or not, but it is a whole different ballgame after you've been with someone for many years and then you're on your own for so many years and now you're welcome back in because I don't know if you're a neat freak like I am, but picking up after somebody stopped when my kids left. But again, I will say, I just recently read that women over the age of 40, I think it was over the age of 40 are choosing to be single because they don't want to give up. They don't want to give up their physical space. They don't want to do somebody's laundry, clean up after them. They don't want to give up their lives. They don't want to compromise. And so they don't. And so I think, wouldn't, you just have to think about what's literally, sometimes the answer to

me is so obvious. Are you happier by yourself or is this partner going to add something to your life? If he's going to add to your life, then you're going to have to compromise. And if you don't see it as adding to your life, then you probably aren't really interested in a relationship. Well, she says, when I do meet somebody I like, I struggle with letting them into my routine. Sounds like to me, you're too busy for a relationship. I mean, like Kathy said, you've got to pick one or the other. And if you pick the relationship, then you have the best of both worlds. But you have to work out the sketch.

if you will. And I also think we don't know how old Whitney is, but at our age, Susan, like if I were in a relationship, you don't think I'd still be coming to see you. Yes, that's what I mean. I'm saying it depends on age. Are you going to have children?

All those things. But I think it's increasingly as women are financially independent. They don't, are not, and blessedly are not always reliant on a man for support. and that really opens the door to create your own world, your own life and not have to answer to someone. So let us know Whitney.

Think about your choices. What's the next one from, Kath? Okay, this one is from Nikki, and she's from Atlanta. Okay. I recently went on a first date that I thought went really well. We talked for hours, laughed a lot, and even made tentative plans for a second date. But afterward, his communication became super inconsistent. He'll respond eventually, but sometimes it takes a full day or more.

I don't know if I should match his energy, call it out, or just move on. What's the right move here? I just got to say, if he's taking a day, I was waiting for to say it takes him a month. A day, Nikki, cool your heels, cool your jets, give the guy a chance. Is that a day from a text message or a day to call her? Who cares? You're being a little impatient, and I was that girl, Nikki. Yeah. Susan still is that girl. Let's be serious. No, I think I, you're just, Nikki, I really think you said he'll respond eventually. And so when you wrote that, I thought, oh, gosh, you know, he's taking too long a week or 10 days, five or six days, a day.

What do you think she means by, I don't know if I should match his energy? Meaning, meaning, I can tell exactly. Don't call him back for a day. That's a game. Don't respond. That is a game. Well, that sort of. I. hate that game. This, I would say this, this, I don't know you, Nikki, but you sound like you have a little bit of that dependence, that anxiety. That does he like me? I, you know, that I meet the guy. I have a great first date. We're walking down the aisle next month. I mean, she says, or just move on. If you can't take it, if it bothers you and you're going to become a person you don't want to be, then you have to move on. But I think you should just breathe and do your own thing. And when he calls, it's nice. Let it, I can't even believe I'm making these suggestions

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We have some big news. What's the news, new? Huge news. We created our own podcast called, Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to our first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts throughout there.

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Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast, where people could call in and say, hey, Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. On Humor Me with Robert Smygel and Friends, we help make you funnier on this episode. My guest's Bob Oden Kirk and Kids in the Hall's Bruce McCullough, try and help the Kazoo Kid and Tazan Day be famous again. What if there's an alternate universe show where you guys are incredibly popular? Well, and they could travel up the land, doing meet and greets. They're constantly needed at malls. Listen to humor me with Robert Smygling Friends on the IHard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

This week on Crimless, we're joined by our first ever guest. Sorry, our first ever human guest. I don't think I could be in the same room with Shamrock the parrot. I'd be too nervous. That's right. The very funny Will Farrell joins Rory Scoble and me. Josh Dean, for an episode dedicated to the many crimes committed by people also named Will Farrell. They called to his fellow officer for the nippers.

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but I'm constantly waiting for the other shoe to drop. I've been hurt in the past. So even though he's not given me any real reason to doubt him, I find myself overthinking small things like a delayed text or a change in tone. How do you trust again without letting your past experience sabotage something good? Oh, Brookeie, baby, you need therapy. I was going to say this is one, Brooke, we are not. therapist, but we have lived a lot of years between us, at least 50. That's a joke, Susan.

50 between us, hardly. Brooke, get some therapy. You clearly have trust issues. You clearly are not over some of the hurts. And you take that baggage into a new relationship. That's going to get old for anybody really fast. So, you know, go get some help and realize that not everyone's going to cheat on you. Realize that some of this is stuff you can work on so that we you get into a good relationship, you can celebrate it, not torment yourself. And also, Brooke, overthinking things is a woman's thing. Like, we were born with that. We do overthink things.

And even perfect Kathy over here overthinks things because I get on her all the time. Miss negative, I don't think the worst. We're overthinking it. But it's normal. Have I been wrong? It really is. And you're saying how good it's going. Bites your little tongue.

Stop overthinking it. here's the deal. And Kathy will tease me about this. Not everybody lives in Susan's world. I live with the rose-colored glasses. Everything's beautiful. The world is such a great place. My life is so good until the shoe drops. So why not think all positive? It's perfect. And the worst thing that could happen is, okay, he hurt you. But maybe not. I don't want you to sabotage it, Because you're thinking he's going to do something and he doesn't do it. Well, see, that's the problem, Susan. I do look at relationships.

I go into every relationship with a positive eye and a positive thought. But I also, when I see a red flag, I don't ignore it. Unlike you who waves a pink green flag. Every flag Susan's not really red. Even though it's waving out of red, it's blood red, it's crimson red. Susan's like, can I turn this into a green flag? So I would say truthfully, if Brooke, if you really feel this way and you said he's not really giving you any reason, even that statement already says that you don't trust, he's not giving you any real reason. He's probably not giving you any reason at all to distrust him. But that's an issue you have to work on. So Brooke, get some help, get some therapy, and then let us know and invite us to your wedding because you will find the right guy if you get to work. the ceremony. But also there's

there's books, there's lessons, there's little practice things that you can do that will keep you from worrying about he didn't text back really quick or I mean, I was the same way though. I really was. Especially new. We don't know how old Brooke is. But

Brooke, let us know. We hope things go well for you. Good luck, sweetie. Okay, the next one is from Claire and she's from Seattle. Okay, Claire says I've noticed a pattern in my dating life where I tend to go for people who need fixing. Oh, Susan. Oh, sorry. This is Claire's comment. Okay. They need fixing in some way, whether it's emotional baggage, career instability, or just being at a different stage in life. At first, it feels exciting and like I'm being supportive. But it always ends with me feeling drained. How do I break out of that pattern and start choosing healthier relationships? Claire, Can you call me when you figure it out? Because I sometimes ask God, is that why you put me here to fix people, to help broken hearts and people from childhood problems?

Uh-uh, stop, Susan, stop. That's what I do. Support, no. Supporting people and being a caring, loving person is one thing. The only person you can fix is yourself. You never can fix anyone else. And so, Claire, the sooner you realize that, the better off you're going to be, I will tell you, while I was on vacation, I spent some time in London with my niece's friends. One of her friends was talking about this. She dates guys, they need fixing. And I said this. I can't even believe this question came up.

I said to her, you, and she's like 31 or 32, she goes, you know, I just, I get into these relationships and I try to fix. She said one or two things. I try to fix them or she's the girl who wants a commitment after the first date. And I said, neither of those are going to work for you. So rule of thumb, Claire, you don't fix people. You can fix yourself. So start again. Work on yourself so that you go into a relationship looking for healthy, happy habits. Not somebody that six months from now, you're going to say, oh, my God, he still doesn't

have a job. Oh my God, he's still... Her question, how do I break out of that pattern and start choosing healthier relationships? You get therapy? That is the word for today. Because nobody can tell you how to stop doing it. Well, like Kathy said, in therapy, you've got to tell yourself. It's hard when you're attracted to somebody and they end up being... Susan, that's not an excuse. Claire, you know, when you're looking at, for an excuse in a relationship, anyone will do. Pick one. But if you really want to have a healthy relationship, then you need to take the steps. Like Susan said, either a self-help book or get into therapy so that you learn that you begin to identify for yourself. Oh, I'm doing it again.

And put the brakes on. And it's not like you can tell if they're needy when you first meet them. Kathy probably could, but we can't, Claire. Well, Claire, let me just say, let us know I truly, I hate, honestly, Susan, I always hate to say to people get there because therapy is expensive. But I think once you identify- And Google, I mean, you can get help, you can. And once you identify the problem, Claire, then, you know what, sometimes, I hate to say this, I think sometimes it's people go into that relationship, they know what they're doing, but it's a safe space. They know how to handle that relationship. They're comfortable in it.

They go after the same thing because, you know, if you get what you give, right? And if you keep getting the same thing, you're giving the same thing. You're giving the same thing. You're getting the same thing. And there's some peace in that. So, Claire, do you want something different? The definition of insanity. If you keep repeating your same thing and expecting a different outcome.

Yeah. But that's why I say, Claire, you maybe should look a little bit. inward and decide do you want a healthy relationship because you already know this isn't it. So anyway, let us know. We've got, we love to hear from all of our listeners and see what they think about our questions. All of you, please submit your burning questions to us. All you have to do is go to bathtornation.com slash golden hour. Submit away your questions, your comments, come back each week. We may answer your question too. Absolutely. Oh gosh, are you ready for the words this week? Remember last week? The gals Google it.

Slang words of the week. All right. So Kathy and I are back with the gals gouglet where we break down slang words that people are using in dating and pop culture. Kathy, what's our first one? Oh, here we got, Susan. I'm trying to learn. Okay, this one is called orbiting. And it's watching your stories and liking posts, but never reaching out. Do guys do this to you? Huh? No. It's like they, you know that they've looked at your stories, you know that liking posts, but they don't reach out. I mean, I should live so long to have a guy orbit around me. I'm in. Venus. Why should they reach out? They're just like your story. What if, well, no, what if they, if they're single and they're showing interest, but they're not really reaching out? That's, called orbiting. They're in your sphere.

I get orbited every day then. Was it as good for you as it was for them? The hell. I mean, a lot of people, that's called orbiting? Yes, and so like, Susan, if you're interested in some, if I, I mean, again, if there was some guy I found online and I'm always liking his posts, but were age appropriate, but I, I mean, I would reach out, but if I just was watching his post, liking his post, liking his, post, but not reaching out to them. Can I ask you, have you ever, is that DMing, of course, have you ever? I've never deammed a guy. That's what this is, though, right? That's what they're saying.

Reach out. Well, it's saying, do you like a guy's post? Do you like his stories? Do you like his real? I never see guys stories unless I know them. Well, that's, again, this is an age thing. I'm guessing younger people do that. Why do you think people do it? I think people are nosy. Well, that and maybe. they're not interested in dating. They just like the story. I mean, is that possible? I mean, it is social media.

We're all boy-earned, right? We all want to know what's going on in everybody else's life. I don't really follow anybody or like, or I make a comment or something. If it was really cute, I'd say, oh my gosh, that was great. Thanks for sharing something like that. If you don't know them? Yeah. Of course you're one.

I don't think anything of it, but that's not flirting. All right. Go to the next one. Oh, gosh. Okay. Next one's called, pick me. Someone who seeks validation by putting others down. Ooh.

Ew. Do you think it's more common and younger or older generations? First of all, I hate to say this before we get that to that question. I hate to say this, but you and I've talked about this, let's fess up. We know women. who put other women down to make themselves feel better. Well, you know what? It doesn't, it might make them feel better, but it makes them look bad.

That's what they're missing. Putting any other person down is not pretty. Hold on. I agree, but do you think, without mention any names, do you think that we know women who have put other women down in hopes of attracting a guy. I'm being in very general terms here. I would say yes. And I don't think men necessarily find it off putting. I don't. In other words, if she's interested in the same person that you would be interested in, and she'll say, oh, but she does this or, yeah. Oh, oh, I see. I mean, look,

it happens on Bachelor, where they go to the Bachelor and say, this one, you know, you need to know she's this or she's that. That's putting her down. Yeah. Or him down. You know, it's a bachelor, bat's right, for their own, to hopefully raise themselves up in the, you know, in the horse race. So, but I agree with you. I don't think it's a good look. No, it's definitely not something that you should not do. Unless, of course, like say, I'm talking to somebody I know personally, a man that I know and I care about. And he's interested in somebody and I know some really foul things that she's. he's done.

Like, if he's your friend, you have to warn him. That's a whole different thing, I think. Wait a minute. I'm not trying to validate myself. Pardon me? I'm lost. So if you have a good friend, a good friend, right? Yeah, yeah.

A man, like I'll pick Darrell, the guy that works in my house. Like, we're like brother and sister. And he was interested in a woman and I know stuff about that woman. I would go tell him. But that's different because you don't want to date him. That's different. No, right. You don't want to date somebody so I look better than the next person.

Pick me, pick me. I get it. Yeah, I get it. And here's what I would say. I'm not in competition with anybody. You want her? Good luck I have. Yeah.

You know what I think? I think anyone who doesn't, I don't care what generation you are. I think it comes from insecurity. Yeah. I think it comes from envy, insecurity. Yeah. None of those are good traits. Jealousy, man.

Whatever. And so, you know, I personally, it's not how I live my life. I know it's not how you live your life. I don't know if it happens in younger generations. But those of you, if you're out there listening and you do it, stop. Because it's never going to play well for you. The only good news about today's slang words, pick me is I understand. And by the way, may I just put out my PSA for the day? Pick me. Pick me. So wait, we're talking to Kathy from Portugal, and in two weeks you're going to be talking to me from Italy. I mean... That's right. Wait, that's right. You're going to Italy. Yeah, my granddaughter, yeah.

And then you know where I'm going to be? Wait, are we... Then you're coming up here. Then we're meeting in Atlantic City, and then you're coming... We're actually going to get to play golf, Kathy. Oh, wait, wait. I haven't even picked up a club this year. I haven't either.

But wait, I have to tell you one of the thing on this, Portugal. very hilly. They compared to San Francisco. I was lugging, I have a video of it, Susan, that I will show you. I was lugging my suitcase and my carry-on, which attaches to my suitcase. Up a hill. A mile uphill. Literally. Why? Can I ask why? Because my niece stuck, she's young. We walk. We don't. Not with luggage, Kathy. Yes, trust me. You would have died. I would have been an Uber.

But let me just tell you, Susan would have been waving to me from the Uber. I was lugging this seriously. It was three quarters of a mile straight uphill with my suitcase. And in Portugal, for those of you don't know, it's like being in Boston. It's all cobblestone streets. So it's actually, I think, stupid that you did this. You know what? You could hurt yourself.

It could have been, no. Look at these arms, Susan. And I know you, Kath. Kathy is healthy and strong, but clump. when I tell you, I am shocked that she's not finishing the story with. And then I slipped and I let go. My suitcase were flying down to cobblestone. You know what?

This is going to be a two-episode podcast because the last thing, you brought it up. You know, in London they say, mind the gap, okay? And that's the space between the train and the step. Well, mind the gap is alive and well in Portugal. Because when we got on the train today, there were some girls from London ahead of us getting on. and they had this huge suitcase and the gap was probably a foot and a half. It's scary.

She fell down in the tracks. Oh my gosh. And her phone drop and my sister and I were pulling her up standing. Her phone dropped down into the tracks. My niece climbs down. Oh, my God. Thank you, Alex. Into the tracks.

Gets the girl's phone. My sister and I are lugging this luggage up onto the thing. And we get up in there go, thank you so much. I mean, mind the gap is a real thing. Yeah. And because the train doesn't. wait either. That thing goes. It's time. It's time. I scared Donna to death when we were in Italy. It's like, you better be on time. They won't wait for you. The trade lease at 1245. It is 12 forever.

Anyway, love you Portugal. You're going to be in Italy. But you know what? I love coming back and doing our podcast. Yeah. Yeah, that's fun. Thank you all again for joining us. We love, love spending time and hope you enjoy listening to us on That's for a happy hour, golden hour. Absolutely. And make sure to rate us, review us and subscribe wherever you listen to your podcast. And you can follow Golden Hour on social media at Bachelor Happy Hour and at Bachelor Nation. And if you agree with the Pick Me part, there's something wrong here. That's right. Women always support women in my world, right? Kathy. And I'm saying pick me.

But until next time, I'm off to discover Lisbon. See you next time. And pray Kathy doesn't fall with her suitcase. Thank you so much for joining us today. Thank you, y'all. One hits, millions of records sold, awards, sold out tours. You think that Jonas brothers are satisfied? Nope, it's podcast time.

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