Bachelor Happy Hour - Tanner Has No Regrets

Episode Date: October 30, 2023

Today on “Bachelor Happy Hour,” Joe and Serena chat with Tanner, the man at the center of the latest love triangle in “Paradise”! In their discussion, Tanner doesn’t hold back as he reveals the expectations he and Kat set about being exclusive on the beach, how he felt learning that Davia had no intentions of getting to know any other guys, and whether there was anything Kat could have done to stop him from going on the date, even though it was her birthday.   Plus, Tanner reveals how it felt to learn that Davia had spoken to Kat before he got the chance to and whether he thinks he did anything wrong by asking Kat out in the first place.  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly, and now I'm seriously suspicious. Wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, luckily, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend's been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone.

Now, hold up. Isn't that against school policy? That seems inappropriate. Maybe find out how it ends by listening to the OK Storytime podcast and the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hi, it's Jemma's Begg, host of The Psychology of Your 20s. This September at the Psychology of Your 20s, we're breaking down the very interesting ways psychology applies to real life, like why we crave external validation. I find it so interesting that we are so quick to believe others' judgments of us and not our own judgment of ourselves.

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Listen to next question with me, Katie Couric on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, everyone, welcome back to Bachelor Happy Hour. I'm Joe. And I'm Serena. And we are with none other than Tanner from Bachelor in Paradise. Tanner, what's up? What's happening, guys?

How are you? Thanks for having me on. This is exciting. Of course. Thanks for coming. We got a lot we want to talk to you about. Is this your first time ever on? We didn't have you at Charity's mental all, did we?

No. No, it was my first time talking to you guys. Well, welcome. Yeah, I was listening to you guys all throughout charity season with all my boys like Joey and Dotting on. So this is cool. Nice. Is this your first podcast? Sure is.

Oh, nice. Okay. You're my first, Joe. It's a special moment. It's a special moment for everyone. Let's get into a little bit of your backstory. How'd you get on charity season in the first place? Yeah, so, I mean, I was just working, living in Pittsburgh.

And my brother just signed me up anonymously. He didn't even tell me he was doing it. So I got a random call from a recruiter. They said, do you want to be on the show? I was like, I don't know, like probably not. But let's go through the process and kind of see what happens. And obviously, I made it to the end. And it was one of those things where it was like, you know, opportunity comes.

You got to kind of go that way. And obviously, I was single at the time. And so I said yes. And now we're here. I feel like that's the thing for a lot of people, especially people that get nominated or like, scouted. Is it's like, do I want to be on the show? No, but do I want to see if I could get on the show? Yeah, exactly.

And then you get to the end. It's such a lengthy process. And then the opportunity arises, you're like, well, am I really going to say no to this? Like, I did it. I got on. Like, it's such a once in a life to opportunity. Well, I don't think anyone, I don't think anyone, and I put myself in this group of people that, like, you almost don't want to admit to yourself that, like, you're kind of intrigued. Like, you're like, oh, like, they want me?

What? Yeah. Like, wait, do I want? You're like, your wall is instantly up until they finally ask you. And then you're like, well, I got to do it now. Yeah. 100%. Yeah.

Even all my friends were asking me, and I kept, I didn't really tell anybody I was even going through the interview process because you really can't. So I was kind of keep it pretty close to my chest. But towards the end, once I got the contract, I was like, yeah, we're going to do this for sure. So no regrets. It was great. And are you still in, are you still in Pittsburgh?

I am. Yeah, Pittsburgh, PA. And what do you do for a living? So I was a mortgage lender for the past three years. And I've always been part-time personal training and working as a fitness instructor. But as of two weeks ago, I finally quit my mortgage job and I'm going fitness full-time. So I'm super excited about it. Oh, congratulations.

Yeah, thanks. It's one of those things where it's like your main hustle, funds, your side hustle until you can kind of go that way. So I'm excited. So hopefully good things are coming. Do you have a gym? Do you have like a certain gym where you teach classes? I do. I don't own it, but I operate a gym here in Pittsburgh that I teach like a, it's almost like a Barry's boot camp kind of feel.

It's called walk run lift studio. So I teach classes there and I also film like my YouTube channel there and I have my my own app coming out probably later this year. So it'll be cool. Wow. Big year. Big year for Tanner. Well, if you guys live in Pittsburgh, you know where to find him. You know where to go get fit with Tanner. I saw. Yeah. I saw. Yeah. I saw you were in, I saw you were in New York and you did like five. You ran like five miles through Central Park. Yeah. Yeah. I love the run. I kind of have a love-hate relationship with running. I like more of like a weightlifter, but, you know, I had a shoulder injury, so I got into running and New York's my favorite place in the world.

So anytime I'm there, I try to go for at least like a long run, just kind of zone out and see the city a bit. So it was cool. Nice. Nice. Yeah. I'm doing the marathon and like, let's go. So see how that goes. But yeah, all the, like prepping for it in all the miles that I'm putting in a week, I'm just like my body's really starting to fill it.

How are your knees? Everything okay? Uh, my knees are good. I'm more, I'm more actually concerned about my ankles. Um, but we'll see. I, my body feels okay. I'm just, I'm, I have a hard time because I still go to the gym and I'm having, I'm struggling now like lifting weights, um, because I just feel like I'm, I'm, I'm losing, losing strength from running so much, but I'll be at the end with the sign. There you go. Hopefully I'm there. Hopefully I'm making good. Hey, me too. I'll be at the end cheering you on too. Joe, that's awesome. All right. Let's get into Paradise.

Were you excited? Were you shocked when they asked you? Were you hesitant and all to go back on? You know, I was a full day. I was in Pittsburgh a whole day before I got the call. So they gave me a lot of time to prepare to go on. Sean said the same thing. You guys are, it's like quick turnaround, but I guess it makes sense with the scheduling

for filming. Exactly. So I, you know, I was definitely shocked. I was like, you know, give me a minute here to kind of decompress from the Bachelorette. And it took, honestly, it took a while. I wasn't sure if it was something I wanted to do again. I was looking forward to kind of getting back into my everyday routine and everything.

But once I found out, you know, that some of my guys were going and, you know, there was interest on the other side with some girls that might be there. And again, I'm a yes, man. I usually say, yes, the fun, exciting things. And, you know, a couple weeks in Mexico, sounded pretty good. So I'm happy I did it. It was great. Well, there's a lot of women right now that are interested in.

you like they're all been pretty vocal about like you've been like one of the number one guys they've been waiting to see who on your end have were you waiting to see down there yeah like who was your list when they asked who you were interested in yeah yeah so i mean i even told cat i said i had a very very short list kind of going in and uh and cat was on it for sure and uh and jess was on it as well so um really those two were the only two that was like somewhat interested in but uh once i got there you know it's like we'll kind of see what happened happens, so. Okay, so you go down and you first grab, at least we see, so you first grab Jess. How was that conversation? And did she, because we see a lot of things happening right

now between her and Blake, was she interested in going on a date with you? Yeah, for me, just was kind of hard to read in that first interaction. I was definitely super nervous coming onto the beach in the first place. And I was really looking forward to meeting her. And I don't know. We had a pretty good conversation. And to be honest, I wasn't sure who I wanted to take on that first date. But I was happy to at least met Jess.

I mean, she's obviously gorgeous. He's kind of quirky and funny too. So, you know, the conversation went great. But I didn't know if it had, I don't know, that spark, you know, right off the bat and to ask her on that date. So, yeah. So obviously I chose Cat. Yeah.

So you choose Cat. And you guys go on a date. You seem you guys hit it off, right? Yeah. I actually have a quick question before we jump into the date. Yeah. So when, because now we're like backtracking a little in terms of the show. At that time, Kat was with Brayden.

And we saw that as viewers. Was she open about her relationship with Brayden? How did she kind of describe it to you before you asked her on the date? Yeah, Kat was super excited to meet me. And, you know, I obviously asked about Braden. And she said that they were like, you know, talking, right? They were getting to know each other. But she didn't give me any kind of sense that, you know, she was actively pursuing him and that she was like super excited about him.

And then obviously things played out a little bit differently after that. But, yeah, she didn't really make it seem like they were super, super into each other until, you know, I kind of found out later on. Gotcha. Okay. Okay. So you go on the date, you hit it off with her, and you come back, and then we see all the cat, Braden stuff, come to a head. So we don't really see, on the show, we don't really see much interviews of you talking about it. But what's going on in your mind as all this is starting to go down?

Yeah, I try my best and stay out of all the drama as much as possible. So I was probably talking to Wells at the bar, to be honest. But, you know, the way I looked at it, it had nothing to do with me. You know, I came in and I asked her on a date, and I started a relationship with Kat. If Kat and Braden had some kind of relationship prior to me, that's up to them to figure out, right? I didn't really want to get involved in that. I didn't really care to know more information about that. All I cared at that point was getting to know Kat and figuring out if we were going to, you know, make it work or not.

So I just tried to stay out of it as much as possible. I mean smart um okay so now we get cat um you and cat are kind of you're basically together for paradise terms before davia comes down what is you what is your relationship status with cap yeah where are you at like are you like this could really go somewhere are you like this is nice but like we're still open have you had have you had the conversation about being exclusive yet is anything anything like that. No, because at that point, it was so early, especially for me, because I came in a little bit late. So, you know, from my perspective, Kat had a few days on the beach in the beginning to to date, to meet multiple people. She ended up liking Braden, so she went that way. But for me,

I came in and I really only got to really know Kat. So, you know, I wasn't exclusive with her. I made that kind of clear with her. But I was excited about it, right? I mean, it was super, super exciting to be in paradise we went on an awesome date never wrote a horse before so like that was super fun did not to cut you off did she did she you made it clear that you didn't want to be exclusive yet but what was her opinion on that did she want to be exclusive yet no she was on the same page yeah same we were on this we were always on the same page with when it came to that um you know she didn't really press me to be exclusive with her and i didn't expect her to be exclusive with me either you know someone else came down to the beach and asked her on a date like obviously it's like that's always the hardest part about paradise right it's like you want to try to be cool and like now you can go do your thing but and i probably and i probably would have played that card but uh you know that's paradise right we're there to meet people we're there to date so i wouldn't have tried to hold her back okay um okay so davia comes down she asked i want to talk to tanner you guys have a conversation um and

How does that convo go? Like, I'm assuming she, so we know she pulls you first. Are you thinking like she's going to pull other guys? Or are you like, oh, yeah, like there's a spark here. Does she like kind of, like, she obviously, we know she came down to meet you. Is she kind of disclosing that to you? A little bit. She didn't say specifically when we had the conversation that, like, I'm here for you.

She said that, like, you know, you were on my mind. You're on my list. And that was great to hear for me because, like, I obviously knew that there was some buy-in from her side. And she's, like, adorable. She was super cute and bubbly and, like, excited to be there, excited to meet me. So that conversation just flowed really well. But obviously, I thought she was going to be pulling other guys, too. So I wasn't really expecting to be the only one that she pulled.

My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly, and now I'm seriously suspicious. Oh, wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast. So we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now, he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone.

Now, hold up. Isn't that against school policy? That sounds totally inappropriate. Well, according to this person, this is her boyfriend's former professor, and they're the same age. And it's even more likely that they're cheating. He insists there's nothing between them. I mean, do you believe him? Well, he's certainly trying to get this person to believe him because he now wants them both to meet.

So, do we find out if this person's boyfriend really? cheated with his professor or not. To hear the explosive finale, listen to the OK Storytime podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. I'm Dr. Scott Barry Kaufman, host of the psychology podcast. Here's a clip from an upcoming conversation about exploring human potential. I was going to schools to try to teach kids these skills, and I get eye rolling from teachers or I get students who would be like, it's easier to punch someone in the face.

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I got super excited, man. I said yes right away. I liked that move a lot. Yeah, I thought it was a power move. And I like the way she said it of like, I want to be intentional. I talked to someone. I have an interest in them and I'm going to go with that. I thought it was great.

And like I can imagine felt really flattering on your part. Oh, for sure. I mean, it's a badass move. And that's nerve wracking coming down to the beach. You don't know who's there. Everyone's looking at you. And you have a date card. And there's a lot of pressure.

So she came in and I thought she was like, she handled herself. really, really well. And that was attractive to me just to kind of see a strong, confident woman saying exactly what she wants. And she wanted me at that point. So that made me feel good. Yeah. No, that really, that came across. Okay, so you guys go on the date. Well, first you pull Kat. Oh, okay. Yeah. To have a chat with her. That's a key part. I did pull Kat. That is a key part. We will not skim over that. Don't worry, Karen. We know you pulled cat to have a conversation with her. Were you nervous going to that conversation?

Because honestly, from... And it's her birthday. It's her birthday. The timing of this. I'm sure that else. What an asshole. I know. How dare she have her birthday on that day.

I know. It's a crazy story. I actually broke up with my last girlfriend on her birthday too. I know. I know. It's horrible. Jesus. I know.

You should have told us that. You don't need to show that information with people. Keep that to yourself. All right. I didn't say that. But, no, I mean, obviously horrible, horrible timing with the birthday. And obviously, you don't want to ever hurt anybody, right? That's like the one thing.

I never want to hurt anyone. But I was excited. Well, I thought, quit breaking up with people on their birthday for one. So, we're cutting that part out. Strike it from the record. But, yeah, so I pulled Kat. And, you know, maybe I should have pulled her first, had a conversation, and then decided. But I was so in the moment.

I was excited, so I responded pretty quickly, but I thought I did the right thing by pulling Kat and just letting her know where my head was at. And I just wanted to let her know that, you know, going on this date is going to give me clarity either way, right? It's one of those things where it's, if I go on the date with Dobby and we have a shitty date and it sucks and we don't like each other, then like, great. And then I come back and Kat and I keep building something that was already pretty strong or like the opposite happens. right so uh you know i say yes and uh yeah so we'll see and what was what was cat's uh response to basically you saying like i'm going to go on this date she she wasn't happy she was no she was no she was she was not not happy i mean what was her what was her reasoning for not being what was her did she tell you like i don't think you should go she didn't no she didn't say that she's like

she said she was kind of passive aggressive in the way she was saying you know go do your thing, whatever makes you happy. And, you know, I put me in a bad situation, too, because I wish that you would have been somewhat understanding of the position I was in. But there really was no understanding from her point, and she kind of stormed off. So obviously, no hard feelings at that time I went on and went on the date anyways. But it was definitely tough because you don't want to ever hurt anyone. And obviously, it being her birthday, we planned on spending her birthday together in Paradise.

So, yeah, just bad timing all around there. So was there anything that she could have said to stop you from going on the date? I don't think so, to be honest. At that point, it was so early in our relationship. And I wanted to go on a date with Davia. You know, she was a gorgeous girl. It came down super excited and I knew we were going to have fun. So I don't think there was anything that Kat could have said that it would stop me.

But I thought if Kat maybe handled it a little bit better, it could have maybe had a better impression in my mind. about Tat, right, the way she handled it. Like if she handled it and the conversation had gone really well and she was really understanding. And that would have been super attractive. Yeah, you would have been attractive to that quality and maybe a little more like you probably still would have gone on the date, but been like, oh, like, I'm excited to come back and talk to her more, like left you with a good impression before you went on the date.

100%. And that, okay, so you're having your date with Davia now and it's from our point of you. It looks like it's going great. Can you talk a little bit about just how it went and everything? Yeah. I mean, we went to dinner and we had a beautiful conversation. Honestly, we were so engaged with each other and we shared a lot of deep things about one another. And it was awesome. We really had, you know, uninterrupted time to get to know each other. And we were actually a lot more similar than what we thought, you know. And we had a great dinner. Obviously, we had a little surprise on the rooftop after we had a little private salsa band up there and we we danced the night away

and she's honestly a fantastic dancer like i was gonna say was she like a dancer or ballerina or something because like you guys did the dirty dance lift and i was like oh she's like yeah you did say she's like yeah she's like the way she's holding her body she's done this before and i'm just like that big dumb strong guy i'm like yep i can do this part easily but but uh she yeah she i don't know if she was in ballet, but she was definitely a dancer. So I was just following her lead and we were cracking up. We were having so much fun. And it was honestly, it was a great, great night.

It was a great date. Yeah, it looked like a lot of fun. Yeah, we did get that. All right. So then what is, give us like a percentage of where is your mind at with who after this date you're leaning more towards Davia? What do you mean like 70% Davia, 30% cat kind of thing? Yeah.

Yeah. Like where are you? You know, I hate this about myself, but I'm on, I'm very indecisive. And I try not to be like I really like take me to a cheesecake factory and I'll crumble because if there's too many options. It's such a big menu. It really is. It's too big.

Like, give me eight entrees and I'll be good. But, uh, but honestly, between Kat and Davia, they were so different. And, um, and Kat and I started off so strong and I went there to meet Kat. So that was always in the back of my head where, you know, I came here specifically to meet Kat. I'm here with Kat. Let's see where that goes. But then Davya came in and it kind of shook things up for me. So hate to say it.

But in those moments, I was really 50-50. I really was. Wow. Interesting. See, I would have thought you would have been like, especially the way Kat handled the initial conversation before you went on the date. I would have thought that day, after watching that date, you would have been like 80, 20, Davia.

Yeah. You had spent like three days with that. Yeah, that's true. So there's a lot of like foundation there too, I guess. Yeah. Yeah. I mean it was tough and especially because like I wanted to I never wanted to make too quick of a decision either too I kind of wanted to see where things played out so in those moments it was 50-50

because in my head I was like well maybe cat and I can work on things maybe cat and I can get there right so it's it was tough it was definitely tough but yeah I don't know I was 50-50 in those moments it was pretty hard okay so then you get you get down um you guys get down to the beach we we we see in the teaser that you end up holy cat and have that conversation so we can't talk about that but what are you are you talking to any of the guys are you getting any okay wait i have a question so yeah did you come down late that day yeah yeah i don't think we we didn't see anybody on the beach when we came back okay that's yeah that would have been part too of my question so it looked like the way it was all showed was you guys came back after everyone's

had gone to bed. And then you came down to breakfast at like lunchtime. Oh, yes, yes, yes. Yes. Yeah. That's exactly what happened. Okay. So you came down, I'm assuming, correct me if I'm wrong, after Kat and Davia had had their morning chat about you. Correct. Yep. Yep. I had no idea that they talked at that moment, but yeah, they had already spoke. When you pulled Kat, did you know that Davia and her had already had a conversation? I don't think so. No, I wasn't even thinking about that, to be honest. I was just kind of laser focus on the conversation I was about to have with Kat, you know. And going into that conversation, how did you feel? You know, I wouldn't say I was conflicted because I made up made my decision and I went with it. But at the end of the day, I didn't want to have to hurt anybody. And I knew

that Kat was into me in that moment. So I was nervous to have the conversation, but the conversation need to be had you know but did you did you talk to any of your boys before that and kind of try to get the temperature of what happened the night before what was going on with cat yeah a little bit i actually talked to brayden of all guys in the room um a little bit about it uh that that next morning because when dogby and i got back from our date everyone was pretty much asleep so yeah we'll go up the next day talk to the boys in the room i was talking to avin talking to tyler talking to bradden a bit And, you know, I'm not sure if they gave me any advice that made me kind of go either way. Just kind of following my heart in that moment.

But your boy had to do what he had to do, you know. Wow. So pulling cat aside that morning and, you know, obviously we're going to see how the conversation unfolds. But what are your intentions and your kind of like mental game plan going into this conversation with her? Like, what do you want to tell her? Yeah. I was going to tell her exactly where my heart was. and I was going to try to just try to stay calm as possible.

You know, I try to, I pride myself and not getting too high or too low. So I was just trying to stay calm, cool, and collected and just let her know exactly where I was, exactly why I went on the date, where I thought we were in that moment and where I thought we could go. So just trying to wrap my head around all that so I can kind of tell her in the best way possible. Did you know where Davia stud before going into that conversation? not really. I mean, there wasn't we didn't confirm anything. We didn't really talk about it, but we knew we had a

really good night. And I felt like the energy was there and it was you know, we just had a really fun time and we were kind of meeting each other halfway. So I didn't feel like I had to ask her where we were. I kind of felt like I knew in that moment. Yeah. Were you

ever, and I mean like obviously Kat is not a scary person, but were you scared or nervous about her response going into the conversation just because the first combo of just going on the date hadn't gone well. And now you're about to have a second conversation. Yes, he was. I mean, come on. Yeah. I mean, a little bit. I mean, I'm scared of cat. I was, I was scared a cat in that moment, you know, especially because cat was super tight with all the girls in the beach, too.

So, you know, if I rubbed her the wrong way, she could, you know, kind of ruin my reputation with the other girls. or something like that. So that was kind of on my mind where I didn't want to hurt her, but I also didn't want to, like, ruin, you know, the reputation that I had on the beach. Yeah, you don't want to feel like you're, like, public enemy number one now with the women. Yeah, exactly, exactly. So trying to play both sides. It's kind of tough.

And we see a lot of, we see a lot of things go down on this episode. What are your thoughts on the other couples on the beach? Let's talk. Yeah, let's run through some of the couples. Let's talk about somebody else. Yeah, we really ruled you on your situation, Tanner. Let's talk.

What are your thoughts? Because we see Jess for the first time kind of open up that Blake is not really her number one. Well, she says he is her number one, but with a lot of hesitancy and basically is just like, he's my strongest connection right now. He's my number one because he has to be.

Or like, that's basically the tone is like there's no one else that I have a connection with. So because of that, he's my number one. And we're kind of just starting to see their relationship. I don't want to say crumble, but I feel like they're finally being like tested. Yeah, tested. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly and now I'm seriously suspicious. Well, wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit.

Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast. So we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now, he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone. Now, hold up. Isn't that against school policy? That sounds totally inappropriate.

Well, according to this person, this is her boyfriend's former professor and they're the same age. And it's even more likely that they're cheating. He insists there's nothing between them. I mean, do you believe him? Well, he's certainly trying to get this person to believe him because he now wants them both to meet. So, do we find out if this person's boyfriend, really cheated with his professor or not. To hear the explosive finale, listen to the OK Storytime podcast on the IHeart Radio app,

Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. I'm Dr. Scott Barry Kaufman, host of the Psychology Podcast. Here's a clip from an upcoming conversation about exploring human potential. I was going to schools to try to teach kids these skills, and I get eye rolling from teachers or I get students who would be like, it's easier to punch someone in the face. When you think about emotion regulation, like you're not going to choose. an adaptive strategy which is more effortful to use unless you think there's a good outcome as a result of it if it's going to be beneficial to you because it's easy to say like like go you go blank yourself

right it's easy it's easy to just drink the extra beer it's easy to ignore to suppress seeing a colleague who's bothering you and just like walk the other way avoidance is easier ignoring is easier denial is easier drinking is easier yelling screaming is easy complex problem solving meditating, you know, takes effort. Listen to the psychology podcast on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. So in the last month, the Midas Touch Network beat Rogan, Tucker Carlson, Candice Owens, Charlie Kirk, and Ben Shapiro all combined. Conservative podcasts can have a major political impact, but the Myceles Brothers, three siblings with a serious media strategy, are building an alternative. to that. On the latest episode of Next Question with Katie Couric, I sat down with the brothers

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What was your take on their relationship at this point? At this point, I mean, it seemed from me a pretty surface level. You know, I saw other relationships that were developing and getting stronger. and I can see them interacting and it seemed like it would work at times when I would look like like see Blake and Jess, it looked like it was pretty surface level, almost like, you know, this is my boyfriend, this is my girlfriend, and we're going to sit next to each other, right? So, but I don't know. I mean, behind closed doors or, you know, else around the beach, I don't know what their conversations

are looking like, but from my point of view, that's the thing on the beach, there really are no closed doors. So what you see is usually correct. Yeah. Yeah. You know? That's very true. That's very true.

Well, then in contrast to, yeah, I feel like that is what we're seeing as viewers, but it is interesting to hear that. Well, Sir, I want to ask you, who do you? Oh, my God, a question for me? Wow. Okay. Because I want to hear, I want Tanner's opinion on this. Who at this point do you think is, Serena, do you think is the strongest couple on the beach? I'm going to go Kylie and Avan.

So I think the strongest couple on the beach right now is Aaron B and Eliza. who, in your opinion, is the strongest at this point. I got to go with you, Joe. I got to go with you. I mean, I'm not taking anything against Kylie. Go ahead. What's that? Joe earlier was like, my pickers off.

I'm not as good as they used to be. So now he's feeling pretty good about himself. I just said, Joe had me going top four in The Bachelorette, too, and I was one off. I couldn't make them proud. So close. Let me down. Let me down, Tanner. Yeah.

I'm sorry, man. But Aaron B and Eliza. I love them at that point. Like, they were just, they just look great together. And I love their energy and, like, he respected her so much. So, like, at that point, I thought that was the strongest. Even, even Aaron said it a few weeks ago. He's like, you know, if anyone's going to the distance, he thought it was going to be them.

So, yeah, I got to go with you, Joe. But even and Kylie, 100%, like that next, that next strongest couple, for sure. Okay, gotcha. Yeah, I feel like Eliza and Aaron did have that, like, test of her. going on that date with John B and her coming back. And I feel like when that does happen, it like really solidifies a couple. If you can kind of get through that and she came back and was like, no, it's you. Yeah.

Or you do what Tanner does. Or you do a tan or doesn't. Don't do. Don't do what I do. I'm going to write a book on what not to do. Either thing is a good thing, though, because you either come back and you know one way or the other. It brings you that clarity. And then what about, what about Tyler and Mercer's?

Mercedes, because we see Mercedes make out with John Henry, and then we do see in the super teaser that Tyler and Jess hook up or make out. So what is their relationship status? Because that has to be surface level, in my opinion. You know, it didn't seem that way to me at that point. It looked like Tyler and Mercedes were actually hitting it off. And I really didn't see Tyler pursuing anybody else on the beach. And I didn't, and I talked to Mercedes a few times.

She's a good friend of mine at that point. the show. And it didn't seem like she was really pursuing anybody else either. So it seemed like there was something there, but they were probably just not exclusive yet. So I don't know. I guess we'll see how it plays out. But yeah. And were you sad to see how Sean leave? Sean. Well, Sean's technically at this point, you and Sean went against each other in the two-on-one. Yeah. Yeah. You guys did do the two-on-one. Who are your closest friends on the beach? We can include Sean Aaron and well in that, even though we just saw them leave. Gotcha.

Yeah. When John Henry and John B showed up, I was like, oh, let's go. My boy's here. But definitely Sean. I mean, I was blessed. I mean, all my guys for my show for my season were on the beach, right? So, I mean, it was really only Tyler Avon and Blake that really weren't and Will. But I don't know.

I hate to give you the answer that I like everyone, but I really do. So it's so funny because when we had Joey on way back one, the beginning of charity season. He also said John Henry's name. And I feel like we're just getting to know John Henry now as viewers. But he seems to be very well liked amongst the guys. Well, John Henry is a nervous wreck, which is understandable. I was like that.

He's giving you, Joe. Yeah, I was like that when I was first in the show. I see him shake. I'm like, oh, but you could tell he's probably very social and personable, but he just, he has stage fright at the beginning. Is that accurate, Tanner? You know, he's so dry. So, like, the more you're around him, you kind of pick up on his humor.

And then all of a sudden, everything that comes out of his mouth is hilarious. So he's kind of one of those. So you kind of have to be around him for a while. He has to warm up to you. But he's just a good human being. I love John Henry. I'm not very dry. You're not very dry.

No. Do you feel like it helps or hurts the guys when all of them are friends and buddies? because we do talk a lot about like the guys coming down and like they broo out and that ends up being like to their detriment and also then the guys don't want to like step on each other's toes you know like you just said john henry's one of your friends we see in the super tease cat going after john henry like does it create kind of a weird dynamic a little bit i would say it created a lot weirder of a dynamic for the girls actually so um yeah even though us guys were super close i felt like we knew the roles of like paradise right we're there to date we're there to meet people yeah we're eventually gonna step on each other's toes but there was always kind of a respect factor there too um where the girls i felt like a lot of the girls actually shut themselves off to dating anybody else because they maybe kissed one of their friends and they were really treating paradise

almost like you're out at a bar and like you know someone's talking to your friend where you know it's not really like that we're on a reality dating show we're supposed to be dating people and meeting people. So I felt like it actually hurt the girls more than hurt the guys because some of the girls really just like close themselves off. Yeah. I feel like you have to have, I feel like you have to have a conversation with your friends going into that show of like, hey, my number one goal here is to meet someone. So like, yeah, but you just never know how it's going to go till you get down there. Like Abigail and I didn't have that conversation. And like we never needed to. We went for different guys. We were interested in different.

guys and I feel like you kind of hope that's how it's going to go and I feel like this season we're seeing a little more crossover a little more like you know people worried about exploring and stepping on each other's toes than maybe we've seen in the past but that's interesting that it was the girls this season that's why there's a truth box and that's why there's a truth box and that's truth box and dare though truth or dare you were on your date with Davia right yeah yeah Yeah, I was dancing the night away. You were dancing the night away. All right. All right. We're going to jump in. We're going to play a quick game, Tanner. Before we do, though, I want to ask you, have any regrets?

No. Okay. Zero. I didn't think so. You don't strike me as a guy that regrets things. I got a tattoo to my arm. No, I'm kidding. No regrets.

Do you want to do what? Do you want me to do it? You do it, Joe. All right. Rabbit fire. Are you more of an introvert or extrovert? I feel like. I'm an introverted extrovert, to be honest.

Okay. Already breaking the rules. What would you, what would be your go-to paradise cocktail? Oh, it depends on the time of day. Sorry, it's supposed to be one word answers. It depends on the time of day. It was early to be a mimosa with Rachel. And if it's any time past like 2 p.m., probably tequila soda would lie.

Okay. Nice. What is the first thing you would buy if you won the lottery? you can answer this so many different ways probably real estate probably buy much real estate be rich forever and buy a beach house too that's fair what all-time favorite taylor swift song you know i'm actually a new uh a new swifty i used to love taylor swift i'm kind of getting back into her i love cardigan cardigan is a good one it's so good i can listen to that song's gonna love that John's a slifty.

He's set at 1,800 times of the show. What is one item on your bucket list? Um, you know, a lot of this is out of my control, but if the Steelers ever go to the Super Bowl, I'm going to go see them win it. Steelers, well, they stay. It might not be for a while, Joe, but we'll see. Yeah, well, I'm a Bears fan, so.

Similar boat here. Joe, in this recent episodes, have done his absolute best to integrate football into every single podcast. If you go back and listen to our last, like, six episodes, somehow Joe has found a way to bring up football. Tanner brought it up. But at least the Steelers have been in the past 10 years.

They've made the playoffs a few times, right? Yeah. I mean, Mike Tallman's never had a losing season. I mean, we kind of had a lot of good teams that didn't win anything, but I don't know. We're used to winning championships in Pittsburgh, so it's been bad recently. we're not in Chicago

Do you have any dating deal breakers? Not really I mean I like to exercise and live like a healthy life so that needs to be a priority for my girl for sure

What is your love language? It is 100% acts of service What is your favorite dessert? Favorite dessert? I like like a like a hot brown chocolate brownie with like vanilla ice cream a little hot and cold do you think you

will end up breaking up with somebody on their birthday in the future 100% no I would never do that what is what is the important item to pack for paradise uh I've heard people say this in the past but for me it's 100% true it was bug spray I got killed with the bugs like if you if you watch the show if you pay attention to my back at any point in time I had huge welts all over my back. That's crazy. So our season, the weather was too hot. It was insanely hot.

Like, it was brutal. The only good thing about that is we had no bugs. We came back the following year and did a little visit and I was getting eaten alive. I was like, what is going on? The weather is beautiful, but I'm like covered in bug bites. Oh, my God, the worst. Yeah, it was bad for us. And it wasn't too hot for us either down there.

It wasn't too bad. That's nice. Yeah, lucky. It was hot in our season. We had a couple hot nights. Like the last rose ceremony, I was dripping sweat. It looked disgusting. Yeah. What are you going to do? All right, Tanner.

Thank you. Thank you for coming on. Happy hour. Thanks, Tanner. Thanks for her. Thanks, Joe. I appreciate you guys. And thank you, everyone, for tuning in and remember new episodes of Bachelor in Paradise

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