Bachelor Happy Hour - Tayshia Adams & Tyler Cameron: If the Bachelor Mansion Walls Could Talk | Happy Hour

Episode Date: March 16, 2026

Today on “Happy Hour,” Bachelor Nation icons Tayshia Adams and Tyler Cameron are here! We kick things off by getting all the tea on “Bachelor Mansion Takeover.” Whose design was the ugliest? Who’s the most dramatic contestant? And what was it like for both of them to reunite with their exes? Then, we walk down Bachelor memory lane, hearing Tyler and Tayshia’s memories from the iconic mansion. We also get into all things Taylor Frankie Paul, including the 411 on a certain cast member Tyler knows. Plus, we end things with “Renovate the Date,” where our guests weigh in on how they’d change some of the franchise’s most iconic dates. Tune in now to hear all this and so much more, and be sure to subscribe so you never miss an episode!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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And I am Charity, and we are joined today with two very special guests, Tyler and Taylor and Hey,isha. Welcome, guys. What's it up? You guys have been running all around town doing all your press because you two are the hosts of Bachelor Mansion Takeover. How has that been? Okay, well, we would love to be the host, but we're actually the judges.

You guys are the host. I mean, we could take it. Yeah, take you, girl. Right. Okay. But it has been probably one of the best projects I've done in a minute. I feel like, well, as you know, the Mansion definitely needed a facelift. It has looked like an olive garden for too long. Thank God. But no free breadsticks, you know, so no benefit. Did you say it looked like olive garden?

It does look like olive garden. It actually really does. Why? Would they do such a thing? They said it was inspired by Tuscany. I was watching, right? That's what they said. Yeah, I mean, it is inspired.

I mean, there's a lot in the house that I feel like does resemble that. I mean, they have flown in, like, wood all around the house. Stop. This is, anyway. It does resemble Tuscany inside. It does, yes. Tyler, why do you keep? Anyway, he seems uncertain.

You guys have great chemistry. We do. I was going to say that. We do. I mean, as you can tell, he keeps me on my toes. And he keeps me laughing the whole time. Working with her has just been like such a joy and such a pleasure. What is that?

No, literally, what is it? What are you holding? No, wait, tell me more. He needs a snack. You just pull that cheese stick out of his pocket. Yes. No, bye. Taylor.

Well, and. Are you hungry? Do you need a minute? Tyler, are you going to eat the cheesecake or is it just a prop? This is literally the problem with this man. I literally told him, I saw them in the fridge and I said, if I look at those, I'm going to throw up. Because I had a very traumatizing experience in second grade. Why don't know it was traumatizing, so now I feel bad about my cheese stick.

What? I ate it at school and I hated it and I threw up and he literally just put Why would you do that to her after she? I'll put it away. Tyler is such a jokester I don't think I knew this.

Like what is going on? I don't really know how to move forward from this. I saw an opportunity guys. Anyway, so you talk about please don't forget that because that studio is going to reek of cheese. Don't forget that. Was this what it was like the whole season with you too?

I mean, yeah. Yeah, we had a lot of. of fun. Did you guys know each other before? Through, like, I went to one of her events one time and we didn't get to really get to hang out that much, but this was like our first time really getting to hang, and there was a lot of like downtime while they're building, so we spent a lot of time together. I was going to say you guys are basically like Jesse Palmer, like when all the drama's happening, you disappear and then you just show up to judge. Yeah. I mean, I feel like that's the best part of it. It was incredible. And you guys both lived in the mansion at one point, really?

Yeah. Yeah. What was it like being back? Were there any way? Did you get to do it? I did. I lived there and when my Bachelorette season was on. See, that's the one thing I didn't get. I didn't have my season there. Because you guys are in Palm Springs. Charity, what was yours? I was at the mansion too. Oh my gosh. See, that's the one thing you guys have up on me. That sucks. I wish I was there. You didn't miss all in too much. That's so true. Did any rooms or any places in the house bring up old memories from your bachelor and bachelorette season? Definitely. You know, like, there was like that side of the house where the outdoor fireplace and all that stuff. Like I totally forgot I ever had a moment out there until I was back there, you know?

And like, I remember like when I was on the show with Hannah and I had this like idea. I was going to be like a tackling dummy. Like you're going to tackle this. I want to see like the Hannah Beats, you know? And I was going to throw it out of the way and then catch her. She just ate shit. You know what I mean? I was like, well, this is not a great start, you know?

This is often like barely even talking to her to begin with. But she was a great sport. We laughed it off. We made out. And we moved on. What great memories. And this is by the fire. By the outdoor fire pit on the side.

Tasha, what about you? I remember night one, I actually made the front driveway, Tasha Land. I know. And we, like, made it a carnival. And we had, like, a bunch of games that we would play. This was on night one. Yes. During your first conversation.

Yes. Wait, very cute. Yeah, it was really cute. We did, what's a bags. People call it a different. I call it bags. Bags is like a Midwestern term, right? Yeah.

What's it called? No. Cornhole? Cornhole. Oh, yeah. I was like, that's what I was thinking. But it's bags, whatever. And I don't know.

We ate like popcorn. We did other things. And yeah. Speaking of Hannah, you guys were both reunited with exes on this show. What was that like seeing them all again? I love watching Tasha's exes. She had too. You had no one.

I know you had. And Brendan. Yes. I know. I knew they were going to be there. They didn't know I was going to be there. So you were prepared. Oh, yeah.

I mean, it's also like water under the bridge at this point. But I had yet to talk to these guys since my season. So this was like the first time I was seeing them. And I don't know. Also, like, when you don't talk to them, you're wondering like what their idea is of you. Because like they finish watching the season. You don't really talk about it. So I was like, are they going to hate me?

Do they like me? Whatever. It was fascinating. It was, they didn't speak. They wouldn't. I was going to ask. They wouldn't look at her. They were sweating profusely.

They're lying. Like Noah was adjacent to us. Like Noah would be like where charity is right now. And Tasha's giving the directions to the whole thing. He would just look straight ahead. What? Like it was so good. Brendan, same thing.

And they were the two that probably did the worst because they were probably so like ingrained to think of like, what is, you know, taste of this, taste of that. And not thinking about what the directions are that were giving. And it was amazing. I love that. Wait. Oh my gosh. Is that one like that? Open his box?

Yes. And not that he was mad or anything like that. I think they just, I was the last person they ever thought would be standing there. And I loved every second of it. But was that short-lived? Like, did, as a season progress, like, did they eventually, like, did you guys have, like, sad conversations? Like, did they come around?

Brennan asked you out. Shut! I'm screaming. He did he? He did he say, yes. This is how rumors start. You heard of hear it here first. You heard it here first.

Headlines, okay? Breaking news. No, he did not ask me out. He has a girlfriend. Yeah, probably. See, you're going to get me in trouble. Not the probably. Yeah, he does.

He does. But no, I don't know what we, I lost, we lost the plot. I don't know what we were saying. They never came up and tried to. They never, like, had that conversations. Oh, yeah, we were perfectly fine towards the end. Like, you'll see. We have more interactions.

What about Hannah? Very cute. That was great. Was this the first time you'd seen her in how long? Probably two years. Last time I saw her, she came out and filmed my going home with Tyler's show for Amazon. And so, and we got to spend like four days with each other there. was like ups and downs then.

Ups and downs. Like, working together, like, because I'm always like pushing the issue and trying to make it fun and she would, and I'd be like,

whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, you know what I mean? Very diplomat, yeah. We have our little, no, not fight, but it was just, it was fun.

And then it was, and then it was, you know what I mean? Absolutely. He's like, you know. And then this time, I haven't seen her

since she's been married or anything like that. So I was very excited to see her because I thought this was going to be fun. Great to catch up. When I got into the trailers, it was tension. Like, I remember Tasha was looking at me.

My manager was looking at me. Everyone's looking at me. They're like, she's over there. She was in the trailer. She's in the next trailer from us. They connected. So I was like, all right, great. Let's break this ice.

You know, so I looked around the room and I saw an apple. So I was like, this is going to be my wedding gift. And so. Why not a cheese stick at this point? Literally. Or I don't know. Just go over there and say, hi, Hampton. Knock on the door.

So I brought that over to her. And I just wanted to, I kind of played it as being like very awkward. And then she played awkward too. So it was great. It was very, very awkward for both of us, which I loved. And then, you know, it was great. It was kind of, because then like once we got to set, it was fun and easy and the ice is broken. And, you know, Annapolis Day keeps divorce away, hopefully.

It wasn't awkward for long. Yes. You know. Did you guys get to catch up after the awkwardness after you guys were filming? Yes, we had a ball. Awesome. Yeah, we had a ball. We did not go out to dinner.

I think you guys wanted to do. You and Brennan went on your date? Yeah. To dinner? No. No, actually, Hannah and I went to dinner. I didn't get invited. Can you believe that?

I wish I was invited. I live here. Yeah, we went with Carrie, the stylist. Oh. Oh, love. I know. Well, you guys know. Yeah.

But I'm saying it for people that are listening. Yeah, of course. But Carrie and Gina, who's the best of the best. bachelor makeup artist and Tommy actually. Tommy did your hair. Yeah. Wait, I'm so jealous. No one of your outfits. We're fantastic. It was amazing. Wait, I'm, I did not know Carrie styled you. I'm like, he's. Oh, I'm for my season. I saw it. Oh, I thought you meant. Oh, and honestly, even better. I thought you meant for it. I thought you meant for the show. Gina was doing your makeup, right? Yeah. Yes. No, for the show I did myself, but, um. Oh my God,

You crush, I mean, every single look, I'm like obsessed. Thank you. Really obsessed with. Thank you. So good. You looked incredible. Tyler, you were there. You were just there.

I was there. You looked like a contractor. Exactly. I loved his contracting boots. I mean, you guys both look great. Thanks. We always complimented each other well with our outfits, actually. Do you plan?

Did you guys like plan that? No. No. We were just on the same wavelength. I see it. I see the wavelength. I love it. No, it's such a good dynamic that you guys have.

I love it. Tyler, did anybody mention to you or did you have an opportunity to bring up your, the original footage that you shot for your Bachelor casting package back when you were on the show? No one's brought that up yet. Oh, I'm so glad to be the first. So if you guys don't remember this, Tyler...

I don't. The string cheese wrapper, I cannot. When Tyler first submitted to the show, he sent us a video of him being a contractor. And it was him shirtless with a contract. instructor belt dancing around a work site. Yes. And I'm just curious, you know, why didn't that get recreated at all during this?

This feels like the perfect opportunity to throw back to that iconic. Well, they did bring up the clip in the show on the Bachelor Mansion takeover it. And we laughed so hard at my form of using a hammer. And then I realized, too, like, we also were drilling nothing into that wood. Like, it was so bullshit and fake. it was so funny but hey it got us here like clearly i remember when so the producers like we got on the show like now we got to create like a package for you and they're like we want to shoot this footloose themed package with you and they sent me like the kevin bacon clip from i think it was

like sat night live that he did and and uh on set or whatever and i was like oh shit i don't know about this because like my uh my agent my modeling agent at the time is like so it's against me going on the show. He's like, they will use anything embarrassing against you. I was like, I don't care. Like, I, like, I'm not going to give them anything bad. I'll do whatever. And so, and then I was like, I kept going back and forth. He's like,

I don't want you to do it. I don't want you to do it. And then I was finally like, I'm going to do it. Like, screw it. What do I have to lose? I have nothing to lose. I'm making 200 bucks a week right now to a construction. I'll do anything. So, uh, we did this and, uh, and it was so much fun. It was, and one of our job sites that we were building at the time. And just like to look, when I look back at it, it's all on the show as a clip,

I like brought me back to all that. And I'm like, the form on the hammer was so bad. It probably still is bad, you know. I'm sure not one woman in America noticed. No. We're sure they. And I'm sure they got the job done. Yeah, you know.

So my hammer work is much better, ladies. So we're not going to see it recreated. What? We can recreate it. I think we should. Why not? Yeah. Oh, wait.

So is this. Is this this casting video? This is, remember when in the, in the first episode, you would see cast members back at home and, like, living their daily life. Tyler's daily life was. Not like the submission one. Okay. No, it was his like intro to Tyler on the first episode. Got it.

Because I was like a dance minor in college. Oh. You were? Really? A contractor. Yeah. Is this for real? He has moves.

He has moves. Well, I failed out my first semester of college. That's all right. And so they were like, you're staying here all summer and getting your GPA up. so you can be eligible for football next year. And so they put me into all these dancing classes. And it was like me and 20 girls. I was the bachelor of my dancing classes.

Wow. These girls don't know that, but in my mind, I was. So that was like, I love dance classes. And I was not great, but I got an A for effort. I did all of them. I did ballet. I did, you know, all these fun things. It was amazing.

That's amazing. Will we see you on Dancing at the Stars? I was going to say, I'm like, do we need a submit that in? Would you do it? back a little bit and get ready for it. The hips. The hips are there. That's one thing I always got.

It's just the back. You know, loosen up a little bit. Oh, my gosh. No, I would love to see it. Yeah. We'll have to recreate it for you guys. I mean, me and Tisha, we're supposed to go to a bachata night and go dance together,

but we were a week early. So we were literally sitting in. You guys are going to have to do that because I need to see it now. We were literally sitting in the Soho Malibu house. And then we started asking around like, when's the Bichata night? They're like, That's next week, so. We were a week too early.

Oh, no. I know. Okay, but I do want to ask because I've obviously been keeping up with the show, and there's a little bit of drama brewing from the previous episode. So I'm curious from you guys' perspective as judges and being on set, who was probably the most dramatic in the house, or maybe if you guys are allowed to answer this, most difficult to work with? Oh.

Oh. Most dramatic is definitely going to, I have three. Okay, give them to us. Wow, okay. Go for it. Alicia Joan, Jill. I was going to say it the same. Okay, I knew Alicia was going to be in there.

Just a given. Was there drama? Yeah. Yes. Because, like, if you think about it, like, all of these people want their design to be the design that everyone goes with, you know. And so, and everyone's, like, this is a great launching pad to maybe start your design career. so they want their voice to be heard. Yeah.

You know, and so you got Jill battling with Alicia and Jones in the mix, not with them necessarily, but like with others. And like, Joan is an interior designer. Alicia is an interior designer, you know. Jill is an architectural historian. So it's like, what is Jill telling Alicia for, you know? But last episode, Tasha was like, we love the mural. I was going to say, I love the mural.

And that was Jill. Thank you. That was all Jill. Yeah. So that was definitely like, eat your words in a sense. It was great. Oh my gosh. I think last episode was definitely where tension started getting really high.

Because in the first episode, you know, everyone's trying to catch their bearings. Everyone wants to be friends and like, oh, like, it's the guys against the girls. It's like, cute. Oh, this is not that bad. And then once they had to do their first elimination and they were the ones eliminating, they're like, hold on a second. This is going to be cut through. And then the challenges get a little bit more intense as they go.

They were ruthless. This last elimination? Just wait. Just wait. Oh, my God. Once they found out how eliminations were going to happen, they were very upset. And then they just, they came at me. Oh my gosh, you guys should have seen it.

They didn't air this. You guys are the bear of bad news always coming in and telling them they have to eliminate. Exactly. But I'm like, guys, this is $100,000. What do you want us to do? Just play happy, go lucky. Not everybody could win. I mean, I don't think you want to split that either.

Wait, what happened off camera that they didn't air? But it was just like, it was like, Sandra. And they're like, this is HGTV. I thought, I'm like, no, no, this is Bachelor. Period. ATTV, which ATTV has competition shows too. So it was like, it's like, we're bringing a Bachelor drama with HGTV design and eliminations and putting it together.

And it's, it's a beautiful mess. Also, I don't think they expected to have to eliminate each other, but also we're not there the whole time. So if you're not a good team player, like your team is going to eliminate you. It's kind of survivor style. You know. I was going to say, I heard talk about alliances that were not, they weren't coming true. I was not expecting that.

alliances right away. I know. What you see, the alliances got turned, they turned their back on alliance. Right. Yeah. As soon as they make an alliance, they vote each other out. Was it Noah and Dean this past episode? Is that, am I correct? Weren't they, didn't they have like some sort of like?

They had an alliance and then Dean kind of went against the alliance. Not only against, he said, I don't care about Noah that much. Yeah. I was so shocked. I was like, aren't you guys friends? You said you texted before you got here? See, when money's on the line. That's what I'm saying.

It'll go quick. Their dynamic is so funny, though. They are. They are like brothers, I feel like. I heart radio is throwing it back. 20s, the decade. To the days of huge hits and unforgettable albums. A non-stop stream of the biggest and best.

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and the search for accountability in a sea of lies. Listen to Love Trapped on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I was going to ask, what was the dynamics like in the house? Was it clicky? It was definitely guys against girls. A lot of the time. Remember the girls were trying to get the guys out,

and then the guys were... Yeah, the girls were definitely trying to pick on the guys. guys. Yeah, they definitely were. And like, which it's like the guys, the ladies are the strong design. The guys are usually the build. I was like, you probably need to find a way to work together. Exactly. It was interesting. But girl power rules on, I think. What did you guys think about them voting out, Sandra and Chris so early? I was sad. I was going to say, is there anyone you guys thought that went home too early? I mean, Sandra, no one would tell her the damn sheen, you know. She said, I saw that. I felt so bad for her watching.

They straight up ignored her every single time. Was that like how was that the entire time? Well, I will say this. I think when it comes to designing a home, sheen's the last thing you think about. Like trying to pick out a paint color already is like a crazy psychology. And then you try, then you have to figure out what sheen you're supposed to do.

And there's like rules to it all of like where and when you're supposed to use the sheens. So like I'm sure people didn't know what sheen was what, you know, and for what. So that was, that was pretty funny to watch. It was. Poor Sandra, because no one was listening to her. And then Chris, though. That broke my heart. He built a desk all day and they voted him out.

Yeah, I'm like, this is your best carpenter and your hardest worker? That's why I feel like this was kind of like, they're trying to get the gold ends out for no reason in particular. Chris, I was very upset by. I wanted him to. Chris heard all of our hearts. Yeah. Because he's not only just like the sweetest, nicest guy, but I felt like he was like putting in the most work. I think it was like he wasn't a part of the little boys club, you know?

And he definitely felt that too. He's like, I'm just not one of the young guys like going in there and chiming in 24-7 and giving each other like shit. Like when Christopher showed up for Golden Bachelor, he told us all his dream was to be on HGTV. Really? No, okay, you can't tell me that. No, I can't. And they just crushed his dream like that.

But hey, he accomplished his dream. Yeah, but. No. No. But they sent him home after he got complimented on his craftsmanship by you guys. By you guys. Yeah. No.

I had to. He'll have a special place in my heart always. Hopefully we'll see him back on something else. Yes. I know. Just might. Fingers crossed. You just might.

Speaking of designs without spoilers, what was some of the worst that you saw? Oh, honey, you haven't seen it yet. Dean's room. The blue ceiling? The blue ceiling was the ball. What did you guys think about that? He took a risk. You guys said take risks.

Yes. Did you think we meant it like that? Absolutely not. terrible. No, I was with Tasha when she was like, this is a mess. When you said Toy Story, who said this is Toy Story? Celia. It was great. Was I not accurate?

I didn't think about it until you said that. And if everything made so much sense, we needed like the white clouds being to nine. That's all you were missing. And honestly, if you would have let Dean, he probably would have done that. Yeah. No, that was tough. That was tough. But there are some designs coming up

that we have some experts come in as judges. And, boy, they picked them apart. Oh my gosh. Can you tease anything? You'll see it soon. I don't really know. It's great.

I was loving it. Oh my gosh. Well, I can't wait to see it. Yeah, I'm excited. But before we segue, I want to ask really quick. Was there anything that you guys learned about the mansion, obviously, since we were all contestants and then Tasha, you being a lead, but your season wasn't there? Was there anything while you guys were filming this show that was very niche or something

something that's like not common knowledge about the house. Does that make sense? Like maybe something you guys learned. I think the history of it is just really cool, you know. This guy who's owned it for all these years and, you know, it was like a house he was building and then Bachelor came by like this might be a cool place for a set. And then ever since then that house has stayed the set of the Bachelor world. I got some real estate in Florida if y'all want to do that there too.

Like I would love to work a deal with y'all. So that was cool. And then when they took apart the wall, there was like a paint chip. This is the coolest thing. You could see like 20 different colors of paints on that chip. And it was like all of the different years of paint. It was actually so thick. Yeah.

And you can see like, oh, this is where Tasha, like the maroon must have been when Tisha was kissing Colton. And then here's where I was probably trying to kiss Hannah. It was like a tree ring but paint, you know. Because they paint the house every single season. Season. Yeah. And they redecorated it. It was thick.

Oh my gosh. Did you guys get to keep a bit of it? No. I don't think we did. I think someone may have done that. I would have sold it. They should have framed it like on the wall. Yeah.

They should have. That would have been really cool. But no. Other than that, I feel like there was just that you think that the bedrooms were really cool for people to see too. Just memories that shouldn't come up again. Yeah. Oh, don't we know?

Oh my gosh. Keep it where they're at. Yeah. Should we move on to some? Taylor? I think so. We have a season ahead of us, you guys. A bachelorette season at that.

I know. It's coming up quick. How are you guys feeling about that? Are you excited? Yeah. I'm excited for her. I mean, like any bachelorette, like it's a nerve-wracking experience. We know a little bit more than anybody else.

We know probably like what's to come with, do I watch the show? Do I not watch the show? I'm there just to give her any advice. needs at any point. So I'm excited for her. You're thrilled. Yeah. I haven't wanted to watch a season since really Matt's, you know.

Wow. And this and from just like the talk around town and the things that I've heard, I'm like, this is going to be nuts. What have you heard? I ain't saying that. I know what I know the handcuffs. You just said talk around town. What have you heard?

I can't tell you to talk around town. You can't tease us with a little bit? I think it's going to be incredible. I think she is so fun and she's so good for the franchise. and like I think there's like a whole new energy around it like it's the way they're doing social media now and getting the guys of all that the guys doing the reels I've been doing the reels

Tasha what's your thought on the social media activity wait I haven't really watched these wheels all over the place I was watching it I don't know how you didn't wait I haven't really watched that it was such a great way to get to know the guys before you see them on TV like there's one guy who was an athlete who like division one who competed in losses leg like that was the coolest real there was like i'm i'm immediately like team him i forgot his name but whatever trenton trenton yeah team trenton like i'm already

team trent like i think that was so cool you know and there's just so many great like videos that came out of that and and the little odes to taylor with the crocs i kept seeing and stuff like that like fantastic work guys i hope she has a date or two in crocs i know in her sweats can you imagine how nice that would have been yeah truly unreal i would have been so happy Tyler, have you met, Taylor? I have not. No. So this is just, you know, fanhood from afar.

For sure. Is it true? One of you knows a contestant on this upcoming season? I do. You do? I don't. I know Shane. You know Shane.

Yes. What can you tell us about him? I think he's a great guy, college football athlete, and those guys do well on the show. That is true. You know. The Bachelor loves an ex-NFL player. Yes, truly. And an ex-college football player.

keep it at college. I had a couple of coffee. I would say I played. I had a couple of coffee. A lot of these guys will tell you they played. I'll tell you I didn't. Do you know. Mait is that bigger than it is.

No, literally. I put on a Ravens Practice Squad, you know, rookie tryout jersey, but that's it. Wow. We're sitting here with a Ravens practice jersey year. Yes. Yeah, practice jersey.

That's beautiful. That's, this is incredible. I know, I know. You should get the jersey and put it up in the rafters. Yes, you should. What number were you? I think I was like 47. 49.

He doesn't even know. He definitely doesn't know. He doesn't know. He's like 47, maybe 49. So the Bachelor at Reunion just aired and obviously we were all there together. Tasha, how was meeting Taylor? Was that the first time that you guys met at the reunion? Yeah, that was the first time that I met her.

Also, it was my first time meeting a lot of the Bachelorette. Yes. Me too. Because my season was during COVID. And so I maybe had met a handful of girls. maybe like four previously. So yeah, it was a big reunion. Wasn't it so much fun?

It was so much fun. Are you guys part of that group chat for the Bachelorette? Of course, we are. How much I got to pay to get access? It's priceless. Just slip my number in there. No one will know what's me. Why do you want to be in it?

Just want to talk. Know the drama? Just want to talk. What do you have to say? What do you want to talk about? I just want to throw like a crazy opinion in there every time they're like having some talks. Like, who is this? You know what I mean?

What could be happening in that chat? I just want to know. It's a secret. That's why everyone wants to know about it. How much can I pay to get in it? Well, you have to, yeah, I don't even know if that would work. You have to be a bachelor's right. What would it, what would someone have to pay you guys to break the bond of the Bachelor chat?

Oh, no, you can't do that. We can't do that. No, no, no, $100,000. No, not a no. To slip my number in for 24 hours? No. $200,000. You guys are bullshit.

You guys are liars. You guys are just saying that. Rachel's like $200,000. I know. Rachel really did. She like didn't respond. She's just giggling harder and harder. Okay, wait, I want to say something crazy and I don't know, but wouldn't somebody in there have your number?

Yeah, but I'll give you my real-sit number. No one knows that one. So we can get away with that one. When you add a number to a group chat, everyone can see it. Yeah, but no one actually is checking that, you know? I don't have to. to see the above. I want to be in the new stuff. Don't you get a notification when a new number is added?

Yes. So everybody in the group chat, but no. Yeah, but it's fine. And the people are like, there hasn't been a new season and everybody is in it already. We'll just say it's like, it's my other, we'll say it's your work number. Oh, why me? We'll say, is Taylor in it yet? We'll say it's Taylor.

Yeah, we'll be like. See, Rachel's considering this. This is. She really is. And now I am. I'm like, yeah, we'll just say Taylor. I'm like, slow down. We do need to add Taylor. Like pretty soon. We do. I think I got added after my season.

I got added at the end. Yeah. Oh, really? Yeah. I think I got out of like the night of mine. But my situation was a little different, remember? Yeah. Like Claire had just gotten engaged and then I just came right on it.

Saved the day. Saved the day. I know. Did you give Taylor any advice in the mansion? I think she had like a lot of questions about just like, How do you know? Yeah. And, you know, it's a tough process to navigate.

And it is likely to, you know, start having feelings for multiple people just because you're trying. It's like such a condensed amount of time and you're trying to make the best decision for yourself. I mean, the guys are like so different. Tyler doesn't understand that you can fall for several people. Yeah. It's so true. Oh, is that your actual beliefs? Please, tell us more.

What? No, no. Patience you have a roster. I'm all for it. Okay Well, I did But I just told her just

You'll know Like stop overthinking it And you can't take Like opinions from either of us We all did our thing Our own way And you have to just like Not think about how I did it

How Rachel did it How Charity did it And just write it out She's gonna be fine Was there any lead that ever came to you guys And was like This is how you have to do it This is how like

I didn't talk to any leads before No, I think I mean, I talked to Rachel Lindsay a little bit before. Did you have leads on your season? Did you charity? Jojo. And me and Gabby did. Oh yeah, and you guys. We and Gabby came on.

Yeah. But we didn't get to talk to you. We were just like making you drink glasses of champagne. Yeah. We're having a good time. Yeah, I had Rachel Lindsay and Jojo come. You had them on your season to give you some advice. So this was kind of our way of giving Taylor advice before.

Yeah. It seemed to me that she was really concerned about not being able to pick between two. Yeah. Do you think that's going to be an issue? I feel like it is. Yeah. Yeah. How do you feel about maybe Dakota coming back to you?

That's like a big, like theory. I'm like. Is that her boyfriend from? From home? Her baby daddy. Her baby daddy. Damn, that's sick. And I think he was spotted.

No. You guys have all the tea. Was he really? I don't know. I think so. But okay, so what you're telling me is he's coming back. He's coming back. You think he's going to come and try to win her back?

He definitely is going to make an appearance. This is never good. Never. If my ex showed up, can you imagine what you would do? What would you do? And late in the season. Yeah, no. Not mine.

Thank you. I think all that should be welcome back. You think so. Like high school, sweetheart, college. Like, we were talking about this earlier. I think you should be able to have them. They should all get a chance back. Tad is actually crazy.

No, I'm like so much. She just likes the drama. And he loves to be toxic. I was going to say, I never knew you were into the drama like this. Like, truly. I'm into watching it. Oh. Yeah.

Okay. When it's not at his expense. I'm into my friend's drama, you know? Uh-huh. Like, wouldn't we love, like, I think it would be great. It'd be very telling if, like, your high school sweetheart came on. We could be like, it's just like part of your history. It would be a completely different show.

They would have reached out before you went on. Yeah, but things get hard, you know. It would no longer be the bachelor. Or they like know that you became the best. Bachelorette and like are so pissed and they're like, no, she is my person. I need to go back. Exactly. That person deserves a chance.

You should have your whole dating, like it's like a credit report, like your dating report, and they should be able to go bring them all back. That's actually crazy. I don't know. We should have an X's episode where they all come back. Okay. And then you get to decide if you keep any of them or you eliminate all of them. Do you want to know something crazy?

What? On my season, they announced us like a week before. The guys were already casted. they were in the hotel room. When my friends from college found out that I was the bachelor's, they sent in one of my exes. Like they nominated him, right? They called him for the second season.

No. Yeah. And then he told me he's like, should I do it? He called, he called you after. For the second season? For the next season, for your season charity. And I'm glad he did not.

Thank you. There's no way. He called me and said, should I take the interview? That's so cool. Not him called you. I told the producers. They called me an ad. That's actually so funny.

I've had so many guys do that. They try to get on your season? No, seasons previous. Or post my season. My exes of her brother nominated me to go on the show. Did she know? I don't know. She must have known.

But I told her, I was like, if you break up with me, I'm going on this show. So you were dating her when you got casted? We were dating her watching Jojo season. I was not casted then, but it was like a joke. I was like, you break up with me? I'm going to do this. Oh my gosh. Yeah.

Absolutely crazy. Would have love for her to come on this season. You know what I mean? That would be hilarious. Wait, did any of your guys' exes reach out to you after your season? Yes. They all do, right? No, mine tried something, but did not succeed.

See, they tried. Like, tried to get me on Twitter. I was like, yeah, good luck. Mine was mean to me. God, I have so many things I can say, but I know it's going to get picked up and I do not. Say it. No, I don't have to do that. Okay, tell us.

One thing. No, I did. One. We need views for the show. Say it. Yeah, we need to break news right now. In a good way. We need a headline.

Tasia, give it to us. No, no, no. I just, it's just funny. Like, one of my exes, I won't say who, had, like, viewing parties to watch. Oh. Yeah. And he's clearly a masochist, but, yeah. A what?

A masochist. What does that mean? He likes. He likes. He likes. He likes. Yeah. Oh, that's great.

But yeah, no, one of them had viewing parties every single week. Obsess with you. That's what that is. That's great. That's absolutely crazy. Is that weird? Literally. I'll leave it at that.

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How do you think Taylor's going to be in that position, never having been a contestant? I think she's in a much better position than Matt. Yeah, for sure. Because Matt never did TV before. And I think we all understand when we come out of that limo for the first time, those bright lights and that lead in front of you and all that, like, that's scary. And that whole, like, going through all that preps you so much more than you would ever think. Yeah.

And then to be the lead, you're like, okay, I'm just, I've been in this for a while. I remember, like, the second week, the first week, I didn't talk to Hannah. I was so scared of her, so scared of everyone else. The second week, I was like telling producer, I'm about to kiss her over here. Y'all better follow me. Like, it's going down. Like, you know. Creating your own drama.

Exactly. And then, and then so I'm, so as a lead, I feel like Matt never got that. And so we got to see, like, probably Matt trying to be, like, his best version of himself. But, like, we want to just see Matt being Matt. Right. Which I think Taylor's done this for so long and is already, like, known for this fun. wild crazy person. Yeah.

She's going to be able to just fall right into this lead and just crush it. Well, beyond just knowing what it's like to be on camera, what about relating to the contestant knowing how they feel? Because I feel like as a lead, it was so important for me to look at them and be like, I know what you're feeling. Right. I know exactly the position you've been in. Yeah, I don't think she'll have that.

You don't think she'll know a little bit from her show, like, you know. But I'm sure she'll probably be in a tough place too where it's just like, you know, sit down at this dinner for two hours and talk about what, you know? Over a plate of food you can't eat. She's going to be intimidating to those guys. Absolutely. Hannah Brown was very intimidating to me when I came off the show or when I came on the show.

And so I could only imagine the allure of who Taylor, Frankie Paul is. These guys are all thinking of coming into it. That's intimidating. That's the part that I get stressed for, like for her. It's like she has been on television. People do know her and they have this idea of her. And all of these guys know. 100%.

I'm like, there's no one coming on her season. That's like, I have no idea who this. Like, you know what I mean? Like, that does not exist. So I do wonder how she's going to like vet through that. Because I, it's already hard on our end. And like, more people don't know us, but we're nowhere. We were not in the position she was in coming.

Her show is so much more intimate about like their lives or daily lives. I think we all talk about the right reasons. I was going to ask about the right reasons. Do you think these guys coming on knowing that? They have a career after this in reality TV. Yeah. Being on a reoccurring show, is that going to bring the right guys? And this is definitely...

Dad talk. Don't forget that. The first season where, like, that's for sure going to be a thing. Oh, yeah. I think she has a very tough, you know, predicament here. Are these people just trying to use me to get a leg up in this world now? Yeah. That's already hard to navigate.

It's so... And with their social media activity. I don't know. I love a guy that's not on social media. I'm telling you, I was like, oh my God, when we did our interview with Kat, we were like no tripods out here. Like just. No. Like, Tyler, do you own a tripod?

Who's cat. Cat iso from paradise. She did a deal this last season? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. She also is very into the no, no social media. No tripod owning man.

Really? Yeah. Yeah. I got tripods. You have a tripod? Yeah. Yeah, but yours is different. Do you use it for like, are you filming like home stuff?

Yeah. Yeah. It's for a purpose. I mean, we also are in the day and age of like a lot of my work outside of just even like the social media influencing stuff like that. Like real estate you've got to be posting everything you're building. You're doing like the reason I just got my real estate license and I'm getting deals I should never be getting. But because I have I'm the second most followed agent in the country probably. is Ryan Serhan and then there's me.

Oh, wow. So my first deal is a $7.5 million deal because I have a following. So I got my damn tripods firing everywhere. Congrats to you. I'm saying, that's for, yeah, I was like, that's a good. I'm like, clabs for you. That's a little different. I'm trying to put my kids through school, you know.

Okay, my kids. They ain't here yet, but. They ain't here yet. Speaking of, I was like, go ahead. How are you and Tate? We're doing well. You're doing great, yeah. Is there anything you can break for us on,

so happy hour any updates any news? Plans for the future. Yeah, it's got. We're taking those steps. We're doing those things, you know. Doing what? You know. They're talking.

We're planning. You know, we are in an amazing place. I'm so happy with her. And I think we're building something so special. And I can't wait to take those next steps. So I don't want to give anything away. Yeah, yeah, for sure. But we are happy for you.

We know what that means a little bit. So that's exciting. But if you want to know. Oh, just stay tuned to under construction on my YouTube. Okay, period. Stay tuned. Oh. I love that.

That was such a good plug. I know, that was really good. So a success story, charity. How's it going over there? Everything is great. We're in the trenches with wedding planning, but nothing else. Nothing more exciting. I'm ordained if you need a stranger to come up and do it.

Are you really now? Don't tempt me. Okay. Are you going to wear the tool belt while you marry them? No. Or do you have to pay extra for that? No, I wouldn't do that to them. Wait, Charity, you have your dress.

They're class. I do have my dress. I have my main ceremony dress. I'm on the hunt for a reception dress. How exciting? That's so fun. Yeah, no, that is like one of the fun parts of it. I'm like, just set me up all the bridal appointments so I can go and try on all these dresses.

Oh, my gosh. A little princess. That's amazing. That's so cool when it works out. I know. It's crazy, though. And she still has a Neil Lane. I do.

I know. What's that like? What's that like? How long is it been now? It'll be, it's two years, two and a half will be almost three end of May, April. Oh, wow. Yeah, actually like around around the corner. Not a year and a half.

Almost, almost. Yeah, three. That's crazy. How old are you guys? I'm 30. He's 33. So that's a solid, solid age difference. Yeah.

We're both 32 and 33. So she's like, Let's go. I'm like, all right. Okay, you guys. We're going to play a little game. Okay. And it's called Renovate the Date.

And I'm going to tell you guys some classic Bachelor dates, and you're going to say how you would renovate them. So, Charity, I'll do the first one. Okay. The hot tub date in the middle of the field. Oh. How would you renovate it? Naked. Oh, naked.

Okay. Oh. So just like green, like black box. Black boxes. Black boxes. Yeah. We actually did that. Yeah.

That happened on Zach's season. You were naked on Zach's season? Not me. No, thank you. I got two black boxes on my season. No, thank you. Were you naked on Hannah's season? Yeah, well, I got, I had a kilt on, so I just kept showing the cameras.

Nothing on underneath? He's so crazy. I had a couple black boxes. On my season. No, I didn't get that. Guys did that. Yeah, guys showed up naked, remember? No.

Stripped down completely and, like, held himself. Who was naked? He held it, or do you let a show? No, he held himself. Oh. I was like, I'm here for you. And I was like, whoa. Did you shake your hand?

Actually, probably after her. Did you hug? It's so crap. Tasha, any renovation for the hot tub in the field? Did you have anything like that? I want to know where the field is. Like, I had a hot tub in the field. Charity, you had a hot tub.

I had one truly in the middle of. That's beautiful. Scamania, Washington. Skamania. Bye. Here was I. Bye. Were you in what done?

I was. So, yeah. You wouldn't renovate that at all. The problem with a hot tub is, I mean, I wouldn't renovate the person, location, yeah. Right, right, right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's actually, my hot tub wasn't that warm.

Really? No, I don't think so. So it's probably a little bit more bearable. This is such a weird thing. Why do they do that? Because they want us to make out in the hot tub. It took a classic, like, when I was in high school, I was like sneaking girls into, like, the local hotel hotel.

That was like romance back then. Yeah, they want to get us in our bathing suits. I'm not going to lie. I would actually hate that. And it is weird because you have to change in the middle of, the field like and our divider like you could fully see through it really yeah so it's like it was pre-fantasy suite let me guess you didn't pick that guy huh i didn't okay she sold her that divider she's like nope in the middle of the field is really hard but i will say the one hot top that i did like

was when i was actually on paradise they did it with like thousands of like string hanging lights oh wait cute like hundreds of thousands it was so beautiful okay see yeah where they filmed in the middle of like, it was probably like a hallway. I don't really know where it was. But it was like outside. And you had a date there? A little moment? It was really pretty.

There's no date like a bachelor date. There truly is. No, honestly. I can't, I've always tried to try and recreate it. I'm like, this shit is a lot of effort. A lot of work. A lot of money. Yeah.

Like, let me put up a thousand string lights under my hot tub, you know? I know. Kate deserves it. It's hard. You better figure that out. Yeah, figure it out. Okay. Group date pool party at the bachelor.

Orchard Mansion. I don't really like that date. That's not for really that's not for you. That's for the viewers. That's for us to see who's got the hot bots. Who doesn't? Like we can't renovate that. No. I had, did you have one, Rachel, on your season? We were supposed to, but then it was raining, so we had to have a talent show. Okay. Yeah. I had one on my season. How was that? I enjoyed it, but I didn't really, I was too, like, I don't even think I actually got in the pool. I was like having conversations. I never had an opportunity. to like get in and didn't get to put your goggles on. Right. I think I had a water like a water polo challenge at Lakita. That was actually really fun to watch

because it got really into it. I have a question for y'all. When y'all, like I love the athletic challenges. Yeah. I got to do roller derby, which was crazy and fun. When you're watching these guys go for it because I'm like, this is my chance to put on for the league. Correct.

You know, like what do you think? It's like, is the guy too much of a try hard if he wins? If he wins, is it hot? I'm looking for all the things. I'm looking for the guy who's just doing really too much, but then also someone who's like giving effort but is okay and good sportsmanship. Like it's okay if you don't like you're not number one. That's really important.

Totally. So yeah, I'm looking for everything. It's a good judge of character. Yeah. So if you're trying to just be like the absolute most like that's like, please like you're doing too much. Settled out.

Also if you're like subtle and like not the lattice in the room but like you're also very athletic. Do you remember on Colton season, we were in Thailand and we did like a moitai class and we fought each other in a ring and I knocked Kalin in the face. And we are actually like physically doing these challenges. You got people don't understand. We literally had like a class where we were learning how to punch and kick and all these things and then we had to fight against each other. Did you win? We had obviously. But we had like whatever helmets and like it was crazy.

We didn't bring that stuff back. I didn't like it when the guys were wear helmets and stuff like that. No, that's not too intense. But when they're fighting, you're a tough critic. What if I said that's tough? Then we get a concussion and now we're like, you know, we're not that smart anymore. Okay, fine, we can wear helmets. So they wear helmets for your season?

We had like a challenge. Yeah, we had a wrestling ring. and they guys got oiled up. Oh. And they fought each other. It was actually very attractive. Wait, Gabby had a wrestling day, too. You know what?

They love these. Yeah, I love it. All right. The last one is, of course, the one that most people anticipate and wait for. Fantasy Suite date. Of course. But would y'all change or renovate about those?

Did you make it to the Fantasy Suite? I did. I did. My fantasy suite was. was awesome. I had a great one. Yeah. I think I just hate how everyone has an opinion on what goes on in the fantasy suite. We talked about this last week. Yeah. Like my thought as a contestant was you can do whatever you want as a lead. You can sleep with whoever you want, do whatever you want. Yeah. Because if you pick me, I want you to have flipped every stone.

Ella. And make sure that I'm the guy you want to be with. Because I had a history before you. Mm-hmm. You know, it's like, I don't care what you do. do, you know. And so that was always my theory going into it. I hate when I see like people getting bashed because I slept with this many people or that many people. I think it's always you're transparent, you know, if it's like, if it's like something that say, I don't know that was like controversial on your season. Like if he's telling, if you're telling him beforehand, like, I don't, like, if you're going to pick me, like, I want you to just be, you have, you can say that. And it's on him to make a decision. If he's going to, you know, respect that or, you know,

mess around, you know. So I think it's like, I don't know, it's, it's become so, like, critical. Yeah. Yeah. You know, like. There's no right way to go. No. No.

You know, and intimacy is a huge part of a relationship. Totally. I think the women were probably more criticized than the guys. For sure. Yeah. Unfortunately. Yeah. You guys definitely.

See, I don't know. Then the guys get criticized just as bad, too. I think it is both. Do you think? Clayton got, you know, crushed. But, like, he also didn't pay as well. Exactly. I think he just didn't set it up.

Like, you said, Tyler, like, if you're having these conversations with whoever your final three are at that point, it's like, yeah, just be transparent. And if, like, say, for instance, one of my guys is like, I want you to do whatever you need to do that way at the end, I know, like what you just said, then great. We've all had that conversation. But, like, Clayton did not do that at all. He was literally telling you guys. Like completely the opposite.

And I think about like, I think about Hannah Brown season. Like, yeah. Hannah has a very. Her moment with Peter and Jed. And then Luke has this whole like falling out with her like. Right. That was such a cool moment for just like, I feel like women watching in general. Like she's like, he was like trying to shame her for having sex.

She's like and try to beat her with the Bible. And she's like, she beat him back with the Bible. You know? And it's like, no. Jesus still loves me. And like this is going to keep moving, you know? And I thought that was like so important. empowering and I think a lot of like there was so much people like responding to that because I feel

like they've been put in tough situations where guys shamed them and whatnot. So I think like as a viewer I think we shouldn't be so critical these people but learn from these people. Absolutely. Also you want these people to get engaged right and last and like have a real relationship. Like let us do the process of what's necessary. I mean there's a way to go about it and not you know. Yeah. So would I renovate it? I would just renovate their viewership. Okay. Well, With that being said, one final question before we let you guys go, would you guys rather have to completely start the Bachelor Mansion renovation from scratch or survive another season as a contestant?

Oh. Oh, I'm like, I thought that was going to be easy. No, I mean, I'm in a relationship, so I'll renovate the mansion. Yeah, I would renovate it easily. If Tate was the lead, I would go on as a contestant. That's what I assume you get. That's so sweet. And I would win her heart.

Oh, God. And you can build her a hot tub with string lights for your day. That's cute. There it is. But we wouldn't take away our previous time on the show, right? No, no, no, no. Yeah. Yeah, I don't want to do a redo, but I would just redo the mansion.

Yeah. That's what I thought you guys would say. Yeah. Yeah. Well, thank you guys so much for being here. It's been so good having you in studio. And I can't wait to watch the rest of Bachelor Mansion Takeover. Thank you guys so much.

Of course. T. You guys are so great at this. Yes. I'm like, oh my God, thank you. Tune in. You guys are so good. We're still new.

So thank you for bearing with us. And I've never known. I can't wait until I'm not in Zoom. Like, I can't wait till I know me too. Cherry, you're the prettiest person I've ever seen on Zoom. You're just glowing. No one, no one, no one, no one looks good on Zoom, but you look great. Thank you.

After all the jokes, he's had to do it. He doesn't know me that well. So I appreciate that. Wait, are you moving to L.A.? Not this year. We're planning, so maybe after. That'll be exciting. You should move to Florida.

Listen, if you can get us, I was going to say, get us a good house. We'll come look. Got you. Okay, well, everyone make sure to tune in to HGTV, watch Bachelor Mansion Takeover. And don't forget that the premiere of The Bachelorette is this Sunday, March 22nd.

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