Bachelor Happy Hour - ‘The Bachelorette’s’ Ben Talks Dating Tayshia, Getting Nude, and Therapy

Episode Date: December 2, 2020

Ben from “The Bachelorette” joins Rachel and Becca to talk about some of the challenges he faced while on the show. He also discusses the immediate attraction he felt to Tayshia and why he chose to get nude on the art date. Plus, Ben opens up about his past experiences with anxiety and how therapy has helped him throughout the years. “Bachelor Happy Hour” has exclusive interviews every week. Watch “The Bachelorette” on ABC and listen to “Bachelor Happy Hour” the next morning. Don’t forget to rate and subscribe so you never miss an episode. See omny.fm/listener for privacy information.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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This shit is good. Yeah, girl, what do I always say? The black of the berry, the sweet of the juice. That's what they say. That could be your tagline for Real Housewives. Oh my gosh. The black of the berry,

the sweet of the juice. You know what? I keep, honestly, I keep playing around with this Housewives thing. I'm really about to be on somebody's Housewives franchise. Well, I think you did it

with Astrid on her Instagram comments and you guys were coming up with like different tagline captions. I'm like, I need one. We'll come up with yours for sure. We're going to do more. should play with your Minnesota accent, but if you could pick any franchise to be a part of, which one would you want?

Oh, man, that's a good one. Okay, I don't think I could actually fit in, but I would, I just like, there's something about New Jersey that gets me bringing it back to the beginning with the table flip and the 19, engaged 19 times. Yeah, I don't know. just that one holds such a soft spot in my heart but of course like i started watching at the beginning with with o c with with vicky and her woo-hoo's and like have a sue but what about you i first of all i like that you said jersey see every franchise needs a voice of reason and i feel like you would be

the voice of reason but then i feel like if you went to the point where they would push your buttons and then you would just lose it and you would have a teresa judice moment you don't flip the table Is she Teresa Gorga? Does she go back to her maiden name? I don't know. That's a good question. She's got to stick with Judice. That's how we first met her and that's how we're always going to remember her.

For me, this is really tough. And obviously, I've thought about this a number of times. I know you have, Rachel. I'm going to have to say New York or Potomac. See, I haven't started Potomac yet. I'm jealous. I'm actually jealous. I don't know if you've ever spent time on Coronado down for those of you listening who don't know with this like fabulous island off of San Diego and because my cousins live down there and I'm surprised that there is not yet a real housewives of Coronado because like the amount of wealth and just like I don't like drama that goes down with the Navy wives it's unparalleled I feel like every time I go down there.

I'm like, this could be a TV show. So if anyone's listening, you'll want to pitch it. Somebody call Andy Cohen. Tag him. Somebody call him right now. Oh my gosh, because I don't know if you started to watch Real House. And guys, I know this is a Bachelor podcast, but let's be honest. We know there's Bravo Bachelor crossover here.

Okay? We know there is. It's a different, it's a different flavor, but it's, but there's some crisscross there. But what we've never seen is somebody from Bachelor go on Housewives. Sam. If you're not watching Salt Lake City, you were truly doing yourself a disservice. It is amazing. Normally it takes time to build up into being a quintessential housewife, having all the characteristics that are necessary to be pure entertainment. These women came in. Like guns blazing. Yep. Already. It's like they've been studying for years and this is their moment. And

they were ready and so were we. Wait, Rachel, if you could pick somebody from the Bachelor franchise to be on a real housewives, who would it be and why? Am I only working with leads here? No, it can be anyone. But also give me the lead, too. That is a, okay, that is something I never thought about. All right, if I was going to pick a real housewife, I think I would go with Emily Maynor.

Mm-hmm. For, as the leads. She's, she's classy, she's a Southern Bell. She's got five kids. now at this point um so there's going to be a lot to play around with that and she's got the bachelor crossover and emily will read you okay she's sweet but she will also put you in your place in two seconds and tell you about yourself emily would be some good tv she would yes i can't pick any of any of the other people you know what though i feel like jillian harris

could actually be great too just because she's such a firecracker she's such a bad She, like, rules the world, I swear. And I just find her so entertaining and I love talking with her. So she's another one who would make for good TV. So good. I feel like we could talk about Real Housewives all day. But of course, we have another show we have to get into. And that's what we're all about here on Bachelor Happy Hour.

So we saw a lot go down. I felt like it was one of the more intense episodes just like with men opening up this week. So overall, what were your thoughts on this week? um okay i is it just me i felt i didn't get the same energy from tasha in this episode that i have in the other episodes i don't know if she was tired or what but she just didn't seem all the way there i think part of tasha's charm

is that she's very bubbly and she's very energized. And I didn't get that from her. She was real chill to me. I don't know if that was just me. So I was distracted by that with her. I know. Honestly, I would have to agree. And I don't want people to take this as us bashing her because we're not whatsoever.

No. I think it was, and I kind of started to notice it last week too a little bit. When we talked about her conversation with Ivan, but it played into, I think, her conversations, especially in her one-on-one with Zach this week, too. Like, we see her very in her head, you know, a little bit more mellowed out and not as, like, bubbly and as exuberant. But I noticed in many of the conversations between her and the men, it was them kind of leading the conversation and being the one to open up and ask the questions. and her, I guess maybe it's just, like, maybe it's just because I'm such a curious person and I could ask a thousand questions to anybody

and I'm so curious about people's pasts. But I felt like we were missing that from her, especially in the conversation with Zach. Oh, girl. Me too. Okay. I was like, is anybody else gathering this? And what was the big question that she didn't ask that you were like, um, about the marriage?

Thank you. Yeah. Did you want to know the moment you tell me that you were married before? I don't want to know everything. Why? I mean, and he eventually got there. And maybe they wanted to say that for the nighttime. But immediately, when I find out you were married before and you were no longer married,

and we have that in common, immediately I want to know why you were divorced. What happened? Why did it fall apart? A year? Yeah. Hey, you know, like for somebody who's been in that position, dealing with somebody who's been married for a very, very short amount of time. You've got to ask certain questions about that, about the past and the past relationships.

But I felt like just get, I guess let's just get into this date with Zach because we see a completely different side to him. He opens up so much and I, he really, really grew on me. I really liked Zach after this one-on-one date. He is probably one of the contestants that has the most depth, maturity, life experience. that he's lived through and this and and maybe it's just because I have a soft spot in my heart for you know people who have gone through like a brain tumor because I've had several people in my life that have it but I just if I was sitting there with him I would have had so many questions

and I felt like she just kind of sat back and was just like oh yeah that's hard that's heavy that's a lot which is I'm sure very reassuring to him but I was like I want more you weren't alone, Becca. I wanted more as well. That to me is one of those people who checks all the boxes and looks great on paper, but he doesn't have that umph, that X factor, that whatever it is that makes that vagina dance. You know what I mean? Like, whatever it is that just makes you go, like that is the first set of advice you gave me before becoming bachelor, I will say. Make that thing dance. Do a little salsa, little tango down there.

I shouldn't say salsa. That sounds disgusting. Well, you know. Scott Rhythm. It's got rhythm. It's spicy. You know, that's how I take it. Like, usually when people are like, I have butterflies, this means the same thing.

That's what I'm gathering. He's such a good guy. He's a really good guy. saying this to take anything away from him, but there just seems to be no spark. And I was listening to Tasha. When I was watching this interaction between Tasha and Zach, she was saying all the right things. Oh, he gives me butterflies. Oh, he's a great person. Oh, he opened up. Oh, there's something about Zach. He surprised me. But there was no feeling. There was no passion behind what she was saying. I felt nothing. That's not how she was when she was on the date with

Brendan. You know what I mean? Yeah. That's not how she was. Even when she was with Ben, when he came to her place late that night. I, there is something missing. I'm not seeing the connection. The passion isn't there as much as it is with some of the other guys. You got to have passion. You got to have flavor. You got to, it's the X factor. You know what I mean? Like, we've all dated that one person who your parents wants you to settle down with, who is like, you know, a Barack Obama, you know, like, just whoever, you know, is like the quintessential guy for you. And, but for you, there's just something that's missing for you to take it to the next level. That's how I feel about Zach. And that's what I keep a whole, like two things to go off

of what you're saying is. One, I don't think Zach, like, went on the show for the show. I think Not at all. You know, he's not TV, which I find endearing. I personally just like that fact himself. Like he, if anyone is there for quote unquote, the right reasons, it's going to be Zach. But yeah, there's something lacking. And I just have to chalk it up to, you know, and I've said this many, many times. It's there's so much that you can't see in a TV show.

There's probably a lot more of the conversation that was had that just can't make it into this, you know, 30 minute date that we're watching go down. And so I hope and pray that for both of their sakes, like, there is that passion that we're missing. Maybe it's just because they really wanted to play up his story and his life experience. But yeah, it's like, you know, when we saw her with Brendan, she could not stop staring at those lips. Like, and vice versa. He could not stop staring at her lips. And it was just there. Like, you could feel the electricity.

And with Zach, it was much more calm and chill and maybe just given the kind of context that they were. were you know having this conversation about i feel like if zach makes it far she's bringing him because she feels like this is who she should be with not necessarily who she wants to be with that's that's the feeling that i'm getting it was i'm glad you noticed it too and it wasn't just me yet that's out of the entire episode other than my dear bennett that really stood out to me because i was like am i the only one who's seeing this and and the crazy thing is van said to me that he felt like Tayshah wasn't into these men. And I was like, yes, she is.

And then I watched this episode. And I was like, gosh, darn it, he's right. Yeah, I mean, there's definitely a handful of men that she is. Well, I shouldn't say a handful, a couple that she's very into. And then some more, you know, as we'll get into, as we see with Easy, where I knew where I was like, not, she's not feeling it. Great Segway. Should we just pour one out for Easy? before we have to get into easy but can we just go back to the very beginning of the state

with the wedding photographer and wedding planner the star he reminded me so much of the wedding planner and father of the bride um everybody everybody loves a pooper that guy that's why we invited you you know that he sings that oh is it wait is this a wedding planner where he's like oh sorry i'm thinking of father father the bride yeah he's like everybody hates the pooper that's or loves a poop But that guy, yes. He's like, oh, the cock, the cock, the cock, meaning cake. But, yeah, like, oh, my God, I was dying laughing at him. I'm like, I want this man to be my buddy.

I'm so glad you highlighted that. That, if we were giving awards away, this guy would get the, he was the star. He would be my rose of the week. You were looking for passion on that day. It was behind that man's camera. Yep. It was him. It was him.

I don't remember his name, but it was him. And he stole the show. and yeah you know sir if you're out there one day if and when i ever get married i'm hiring you buddy that was a god-awful date i would have hated i would have to i would have hated that i mean i would have felt uncomfortable and i had never even been married before you know and when i was on the bachelor's head is what i'm saying it just was it was a weird day poor zach was trying to make it comfortable even the pictures that the still frames of the pictures they couldn't get one good one of Zach, good grief. I mean, he was all, he was like half, halfway in a phase. It was blurry.

I thought, can we get to the nighttime portion? This is a god awful day. Okay. Well, let's move on down the list because, you know, we could talk about this date for a while and how awkward it is. But next, I mean, well, before we get into easy, which we obviously have to talk about, we have the group date, which is the art creativity date with, God, it felt like there were so many men on this date. What 10 of them? Yeah. And I feel like there's always a massive group date in the middle of it. But, um, Rachel, what were your thoughts on this date? Because I would have hated this one, too.

Um, I have two thoughts. One, I want to know who you thought had the best, um, who opened up the best. And then two, my man Bennett, the way he punked Noah out of that seat. I stood up and I'm just like My man Bennett Bennett is good TV This is like Bennett is a housewife

Okay if you want it to Who gets the award It's Bennett He brings everything that I need To add bring life into the show Just when you think the episode Isn't that great Give us Bennett

Bennett always performs Those are my thoughts about to say But I do want to talk about it from a more serious note. It was a great date for the men to open up and for us to learn more about them as for Tasia. It's not about us. It's not about Tasia. But it was great for Tasha to get to know them. Who were you most impressed with?

Not the sketching because that was and the sculpting because that was shit. Yeah, no. I mean as far as the speech. Yeah. The self-expression portion, like the last challenge, I guess you would call it, obviously was the most important one. That's why they were there. I would say Riley stuck out to me the most, just with his story and the way he approached and explained it. I found very powerful.

But like for a more cute, see one, I also thought Brendan, oh, not Brandon. Brennan is gone. Brendan's was just like, you know, cute and clever. But yeah, I think Riley's I enjoyed the most. I enjoyed, I liked Riley's. I thought Brendan's was basic. It was cute until I saw the. others.

And I was like, I thought was cute, then I was like, who I wonder if they showed it in order if they like picked apart. I don't know. Yeah. I would not have known what to do for that. You know, when you're in the zone,

when you're on the show, it's totally different. Like you're just in a zone. You would have come up with something because you're just in that mindset. I was impressed with Riley for sure and definitely, Ivan. I thought, I thought what he said was really, was really great.

Those two, Riley and Ivan probably had the most heartfelt, like, in-depth responses and creativity shown in that one, I was saying. I was really sensitive. Yeah, I thought, I thought that that was great. Interesting, you didn't say Ben. We can talk. We can talk. I'm all for, like, you know, seeing more of the men.

But when Ben came out, oh, my God, all I kept thinking about were, like, he's standing there obviously like trying to pour his heart out to Tatia but I'm just thinking of like the guys in the back that just had to stare at his ass the entire time because you see them blur it out in the back and they're just like okay let's wrap it up buddy I wish he would have just stripped down while he was talking I wish he wouldn't have left and came back with the robe I wish he would have been like you know it's all about pulling uh pulling back layers and takes off his shirt and he's like I want you to focus on. I want to open up to you in a way I never had before.

He's like taking off his pants. I think that would have been like, I would have been like, yes. We need you as a producer for this one. Yes, it would have been great. But here is, spoiler alert, you guys. We got Ben on the podcast today. So we will put a pin in it there because we can ask him way more details about that when he comes on the podcast. Oh, yeah.

So let's move it on. I really don't have much to say about this next one-on-one because I freak. knew it when easy got the one-on-one you knew he was going home i knew he wouldn't be with us much longer y'all didn't have to do easy like that he didn't have to go out that way he could have gotten the respect of a rose ceremony i think for some of our favorites that leave for those who leave in unexpected ways we should start having either reading an obituary or having a memorial memorial service for them when they go. So in honor of Easy, who has grace the podcast,

who has been a light, a narrator, he has been the comic relief in this episode. I say we hold up our Coors Hard Seltzers. We take it and we pour one out. Now, I don't want to make a mess in my house, as I'm sure you don't want to either. So we're going to take a sit back. this one's for you easy be well be safe and we hope you find love with someone else or maybe

in paradise maybe on a nice beach in mexico um yeah i knew he was going home like you could just tell bitatious body language and but i will say that date i was so jealous of that date i want to do a ghost hunting right spooky date like that but like with somebody that i'm super into that I can like jump on and like have like hold me tight you know like that's what sucks is like that kind of date you want somebody that you really want to be all touchy feelie over and you know we just didn't see it with him he was the homie he was the homie he was a friend not a lover um i have a feeling easy gets friends on a lot because he's just like so so cool and fun yeah you know um all right well see you see you see it easy you know and that's not the only

only scary thing that happened the rest of the night because, uh, oh, God, we didn't even bring, we, Rachel, Chris Harrison, we forgot to say that he was leaving and having Jojo come and take his spot. Right. You're right. Our girl. Because in my notes at the very top of my notes, I said Jojo and like, I'm so proud of her. She's crushing it. I can tell she's a little nervous at first. Because there's, you know, as you've said before, everyone thinks Chris's job is so easy. But it's like there's a lot of pressure you not only have to be there for the lead you have to be there for all of these men to still you know explain the dates and how the weeks are going to go and you have to hit certain marks and cues and so it's probably a lot to remember so props to her

i mean i only hosted like one date throughout the entire thing and i couldn't even remember what i was supposed to be explaining to the guy so she um she looks amazing she was there for tasha and she's crushing it so far i hope we still see some more of her because i love to see a fellow Bachelorette, you know, kind of take the reins for a little bit. Yeah, I forgot she was coming on to do this. I know she came on this podcast and she said it,

but I totally forgot so much has happened in Bachelorette world until when Chris was like, it's a personal reason. I was like, oh my God, what's happening? I was like, oh, yeah, JoJo! This is her moment. She was so great when she came in. I started laughing to myself because I thought,

how would I have come in after Chris Harris? Did you think about that for yourself? Were you like, how would I have it? I know I would have been like, Well, it ain't gonna be nice anymore. Big Rache has stepped into the room. It's about to go down.

I would have messed with all of them. I was like, oh my God, these poor men probably thinking this is like a third badgeret that they're going to have to make. Something happened with Asia and like, why is this new girl coming in? You're right. Oh, that's a good point because not everybody necessarily knows who Jojo. Is this why she had to say

hey guys in case you don't know. I'm Jojo former Bachelorette. We assume people know, but that's so true. Oh, Jojo, you're killing it and you looked beautiful as well. Yes. We'll get into the Noah and Bennett. I have a feeling, obviously, since it's to be continued. We're going to see a lot more happening with them next week.

I'm very interested to know. Overall, though, I just want to know, I mean, Rachel, I know you love Bennett. Like, he's your, he's your guy. He's my guy. What are your, like, has anything changed since you saw the gig. Not at all. I'm glad to see that emotional intelligence is making a comeback back on the show. Shout out to Taylor Nolan, who was the first one to bring it up.

I love the fact you were deficient in three of them. Bennett? No, if anything, I love Bennett even more. I'm scared. I'm scared. I'm not going to lie, Becca. Seeing the previews for next week. I don't know how I'm going to handle an episode without Bennett.

It's not looking good for my boy. But to be continued. I'm a DM Bennett. I got to jump into play devil's advocate because you know I also love me some Bennett, but he did start to really rub me the wrong way. I felt like I was back in middle school, like watching girls fight and bicker. And I just, it made me feel bad a little bit when I could tell that Noah's trying to hold back. But, you know, also Bennett is clever.

Is no holding back or can Noah just not keep up? You can't bring a knife to a gun fight, okay? Noah can't keep up. That's how I'm reading it. It's not that Noah's holding back. He doesn't know what else to say. Hey, oh, can you spell privilege or whatever he said earlier? Like, he can't, he can't compete.

So I don't even, I can't, let's not forget that Noah was a manipulator a couple of weeks ago. You know what I'm saying? Noah was manipulating the hell out of these men. So Noah's not an angel. I don't think Noah's playing the good guy. Noah just can't keep up with my boy. He just can't. Okay, I'm going to let that go because I might not be here next week if I, if I have to talk about

Bennett going. There will be a guest on the podcast. it won't be me. It won't be me. Morning for a week. I'm boycotting. I'm like, seriously, I'm going on a hunger strike. I don't like it.

I don't like it. Rachel, what if Bennett, I don't know what happens, but what if Bennett became Bachelor? I can't, I will be on the season. That I know for sure. I've never pushed to be on a season harder. But I will if it comes to Bennett. Are you kidding me? Oh my gosh.

I can't wait. No, not like that. I mean, it's to give advice, to give advice, to give advice. Oh my God, no, not like that, not like that. I like to watch Bennett from the distance. Like, put her producer shirt, hat and shirt on and walk in a... I'll give me a fanny pack and an earpiece. Let me, let me loose.

Let me loose. Okay, you guys, to be continued when it comes to Bennett, I might be taken next week off. So I'll see you guys in a couple of weeks if things go south. Okay? It's giving you a fair warning. But on to our guests, because you know we love to always give you guys a guest. We love to go inside of the Bachelorette bubble and talk to the people who were a part of the season, who made this season happen.

And today is no different. We are so excited to bring on Ben. And particularly because I feel like there's a lot to ask with Ben. I feel like we don't know a lot about him. And let's see if we can get him to open up. Let's poke the bear. You know what? You know what?

If Bennett starts, if Bennett is a little quiet. Bennett. Look at me. Look at me. Look at me. I'm not over it. Rachel, I know you love Bennett. I'm not over it.

Oh my God. I'm not okay. First, we only hear about Dale and now we're only hearing about Bennett. I'm not okay. Excuse me. What's the over under of how many times I call Ben Bennett? Like, look, seriously. But if Ben has trouble opening up, we'll say, Ben, you know what to do.

Strip down. Take that shirt off, Ben. You know how you do it. okay and with that let's just get to ben let's welcome home to the show cheers what are you drinking welcome to happy hour is this the first podcast you've ever done no it's not you're you're not a newbie i'm not no okay let me tell you this is i'm most excited for this one though the fact you he's a suck up the fact ben that you the fact that you don't pay attention to the group chat let's me know you made it far

into the season, okay? You're, it's above, it's below you. It's beneath you. Becca, did you pay attention to the group chat? I didn't say anything. Did you pay attention to the group chat? Me? Rachel, I wasn't in the group chat because I won.

Data still didn't put you in? No. Really? No. Yeah, because and I didn't want to be. Like, I think somebody had asked if I wanted to be added and I was like, mm-mm, I'm already anxious.

right now it's like too much i still talk to the girls that i wanted to talk to but like to have 28 of us i'm like it's can't deal with that wait then ben who are you close with from your season now still today well i don't really talk to many of the people just i'm super busy with my job i work all the time but brendon was probably the guy i was closest with in the house okay how did you room with was it brendon i roomed with chason yikes during the during the show um But I was closest with Brendan. We were pretty similar, both more laid back, I think more reserved, kind of thoughtful. And we just connected right off the bat.

He's a really incredible guy. I mean, we can see it from TV. Actually, we haven't seen it because we haven't seen much of Brendan on the show. What you see from him, and I hope much the same for me, we just seem to be caught saying like thoughtful things or like the right thing. a responsible thing. So that's very much how he is as a person. I think, you know, myself too.

So it was really nice to get to meet him and not just Brandon, but there were tons of really great guys in the house. I think it's like a common theme. It's like we say all the time. It's just really incredible dudes. This is why I love this season. And Rachel and I have raved about you guys because we truly think it's one of the best crop of men

of contestants that we've seen. Like you guys are a little bit older, more established, have more depth. And you can just, I think, open up. And you just have like, more maturity than what we've seen and I love the fact that you guys of course here and there you you know we've had some guys on the podcast that have talked about some of the guys that they're not fond of but overall it feels like you guys all have a really special bond and get along a lot better

than what we've seen in the past which is great I think that's awesome yeah I think there was a pretty cool experience uh you know transitioning from Claire season into Tatia's season uh you know we had that like I'll call it a shared struggle or whatever but we had the bonds from that first experience and then moving into the second one was kind of like oh well we're like here for each other as well as also like to pursue our relationship it was pretty cool yeah it's like a support system yeah ben you said you work all the time what do you do i work as a strength of conditioning coach in southern california here so i there's a family at gyms uh locally and then i also started my own business last year uh so it's been kind of a bit of a a transition uh just into quarantine

and like working from home and trying to build something digitally. It's a lot easier when you do fitness in person because you just, there's only a certain number of hours in the day and you train people when they're available. But when you do it online, it's like you work all the time. Ben, we knew you were into fitness. We saw those glutes. Just the glutes.

We saw a lot. We saw a lot to say the least. But before we get into that, how did, like just overall, how did you get on the show? So I was reached out to by a casting, I'm not exactly sure who they're from or how exactly it works. But I was reached out and they said, hey, Ben, we really like, you know, you as a person. I guess they fell in love with me via social media.

But they said, who was creeping on you? No, they said, hey, we'd really like you to try out for the show. And so I initially I was like, you know what, that seems like something I wouldn't do. I hadn't dated for a long time. I've been out of a relationship for a couple years. and I really hadn't pursued any sort of dating thing. My transition, I was in the Army before. My transition out of the military was challenging for me.

And so throwing myself into work was something that I was very comfortable doing. And so all the fulfillment that I got from like a romantic relationship, I weirdly enough got it from my professional life. And so I wasn't interested in dating, wasn't interested in pursuing any of that. And then a couple of my friends, I was like telling them about it. And they're like, dude, like don't be an idiot. Try that. Like there's no other time to get an experience like this.

and so remove yourself from your life from the stresses of your daily life and put yourself in like an experiment for lack of a better term and so I got to I got to really take advantage of that and you know I don't half-ass anything and so I showed up fully as myself and it was the most incredible experience but also challenging experience that I think I've had in a long time since coming from the show how how has business been has it been booming and how many new girls are sliding into those dams trying to be your clients I mean I think naturally you're there's more eyes on you so you'd think business would be booming but you know times are challenging for people and people aren't interested in spending money

so I think everybody's business may or may not be suffering but I'm definitely getting more attention which is nice but you know I'm more than just the dude that was on TV I'm a professional and I care deeply about the work that I do and so you know I'm I would like people to pursue the services that I offer, not because of the celebrity or the whatever you call it that I've gained from being on this TV program, but because I'm exceptional at the job that I do. Yeah, you know, it's interesting. I can relate to you when you say that, you know, you can be so involved in your work that that kind of takes the place of having a significant other. And then you wake up one day and you're like, wait a minute. Or you mask the fact that you really do want that other piece to it, but you just bury your.

yourself in your work because it's almost easier than opening up and being vulnerable, especially when you've been hurt before. So I understand that. And then I was like, you know, I'll go on The Bachelor. So I get it. Like I get exactly what, where you were in your life. So when you come on to The Bachelor, had you watched the show before? Not regularly or religiously. I'd never, I'd seen a couple episodes here, there. I knew the premise of the show. I knew it was going to be several guys and one girl. I knew very, very, little about Claire. I knew that there was a larger age difference, but I had heard that she was incredibly mature, that she espoused some of the values that I was, that I held very dear to my

heart, like, you know, empathy, you know, being just incredibly self-respecting and staying true to herself. And you can see that in the process. She did that the whole way through. And I was just really interested in finally meeting somebody that, you know, could one, like be an incredible relationship for me could restore my faith in the fact that there are incredible women out there, but then also like maybe teach me something that I didn't know about myself. And I think for me, the experience gave me all three things. And like the relationships weren't just with the women, but also with the guys. It was a very important experience for me. I think what I have found enticing about watching you is, and I'm not going to lie, and I have said this on the podcast

I think a couple weeks ago. Like I didn't think, and please don't take it. And please don't take this wrong way. I did not like I got thick skin. I just didn't expect you to go that far. I think like wait wait what do you mean by that go far where like in the season like I like you because you were always so reserved and maybe it's just like what we did not see in your time with Claire like you know you weren't really in the in the middle of the drama we didn't see all that much of you and so you were just kind of like back in the shadows and now we're obviously seen you come out of your cell a little bit more. And each week, I feel like your theme is like to show up and to like prove yourself and to like just make the most of the time when you've, you know, you learned from your experiences where you did it

in one episode with your timing sucks. Yeah. Yeah. And I mean, I think that's, I think that's a theme in my life like as a whole. I try and do everything and make everything perfect. And it comes back to bite me in the ass more times than not. And so, you know, we've seen from the show, I try and do a special thing and it, like, doesn't pan out. But I think that there's more opportunity for me to show up and for me to, you know, make my presence known. Yeah, well, and you definitely are. Like, each week, you're opening up more and more.

And even though when you recognize the struggle in that. And so, I mean, we're personally loving it. And like I said, I find it more enticing. We're finally getting to know you on a deeper level, which is something, like, really incredible. But you obviously also do mention that it's not easy for you. So, you know, up until this episode, at what point did you just decide? to say like I'm going to go for it even though it's not easy I'm going to do all that I have to do

and just hit the ground running like how does that feel now that you're kind of getting to that place with her yeah um maybe unlike the first experience with Claire uh there was an incredible immediate attraction between Tachia and I I felt it I know she felt it and it was something that it was important for me to at least pursue I'm not going to go on this program or this experience and not give it everything I've got um it's not hard for me to be open and vulnerable in a platonic relationship. My closest friends, even with you guys,

I'm comfortable sharing things that are vulnerable to me. It's when I get into a romantic situation and I have to be vulnerable around someone that could potentially leave me and leave me hurting. That's when I wall off. And so it was incredibly challenging. And for like some people listening, they're like,

oh my God, why don't you just like say how you feel? That's like the hardest thing for me to do. And so for me, it was a personal challenge to show up each interaction that you're talking about maximizing the time I had with Tasha, I show up in each interaction, I give all of myself in a way that I might otherwise not, and then see how it shakes out. I mean, the repercussions of it going poorly are that I get sent home, but like everybody

except one person gets sent home. So I like had done some expectation management at the beginning, and I was like, look, I'm just going to send it. And I hope that it comes off. I hope that it comes off like, comes off nice because it was, I was so nervous. I don't get nervous. And I'm so nervous. I think in one of the previous episodes, I'm, like, talking about how nervous I am. And, like, I don't get nervous. It'll come off just fine. Bastro nation is very forgiving to men, especially attractive men. I was so nervous.

What's your sign? I'm a Leo. A Leo. Yeah. All of my best friends are Leo's. I have an ex. It's a Leo. Listen.

The worst. No, you really are. but you know what recognizing it and being aware of it is the first step most leos can't do that just to be just being honestlyos can't so let's talk about the elephant in the room by that i mean you yeah and i mean the date the art date has so many questions i want to know so we can we can pass through the drawing because all y'all sucked at that Yeah, but they didn't even show mine. I had a beautiful drawing.

If you notice, I'm, like, smearing the pain. It was about the swirling emotions. There was another work of art to talk about, okay? Let's get to that. Let's get to that. The sculpture, boom. Oh, my God, but how freaking weird is it that Blake did a penis? Is that what he did?

Is that what he did? I love Blake. I love Blake. There's just a creepy, there's just a very creepy persona that he keeps playing into that I'm not. The best part of the episode was when he was talking. about it with some of the dudes later like at the house and he was just like I don't know why I did that but I just like thought it was a good idea I'm Blake's I'm Blake's biggest fan I'm Blake's biggest fan uh he gave a beautiful like eloquent explanation of why he chose to make a penis but like

I can't remember right now uh but in the moment I was like damn that's good they don't near that because they're playing into this theme of him being creepy they also don't show how beautifully sculpted it was. It was a penis. This is ABC. This is a family station. It was beautiful. That should go in a museum somewhere.

It was, I mean, did he say that it was, that's what his looks like? Because that's the only way to fix it. I'm not sure. That's the only way to fix this. And this is a replica of what mine. Ask if he still has the penis sculpture. That might be the only thing that gets me into the group chat. That's even creepier if he still has it

Oh Blake We're going down a dark path I hope he has it And I hope it comes out during mental all I hope it reappears Okay Back to the elephant in the room So we don't care

We don't care about the sculpture We don't care about the drawing We care about the self-expression So Ben You did a little bit more than self-express Okay I did Were you inspired

By the two nude models that you saw before let's take it back a couple weeks earlier oh okay let's take it back several years if you let's take it back several years if you ask my mother about Ben she'd be like mom how's Ben she's like

Ben's an exhibitionist Ben is naked all the time and yeah does you and Kenny get along Kenny's wonderful I love Kenny also I get along with everybody in the house I have like four skills one of them is just being friendly with everybody and so

you have all four skills and let's let's clarify noa only has one of those four skills according to ben is that right i don't know i don't know 25 year old noah and 25 year old ben are very similar uh i connected with noah because i saw a lot of my younger self in him i said that about corin on my season i get that okay yeah i i felt i and i didn't act in this way most often but i felt this need to like mentor and take care of him uh i also my back background is military. I was an army officer for a long time. I had soldiers that like and myself even they were Noah and I just uh I don't know I don't even talk about him but he's he's a great kid he's a great kid. So back to the exhibitionist that was so yeah so early on in the season we see the guys have to play strip dodgeball. I was jealous that I didn't get to play strip dodgeball.

Later on they play later on they play speedo basketball and I'm like, holy shit, when do I get my chance to save my clothes off. And I had like nakedness envy. And so the therapy date was really incredible for me because as you can see throughout the season, I get these small opportunities to be vulnerable and be open and expressive with my words. And speaking is how I feel most comfortable expressing myself.

Not to a romantic partner, but just in general. My job is public speaking. Being in the Army was public speaking. I'm a fitness coach now. I coach a classroom where people several times a day I speak publicly it's like where I'm most comfortable

and so I got all these opportunities small little pieces to be vulnerable openly with my voice and the art gate allowed me to express myself in other ways and then talk about it and so we got to paint

we got to sculpt and I got to like share a little bit here a little bit there and then the last bit this self portrait piece I was like holy shit I can just blow this out of water

and have a really thoughtful thing that I say and my biggest fear was that I was going to drop my clothes and I'd be like oh my god there's a butt oh my god he's got his butt out uh but tasha and i shared this moment where we had made eye contact and i expressed to her the things that i wanted to share and she heard me and she saw me and she felt it uh and it was incredible for me and i hope the same for her

but yeah taking my clothes off was a literal and figurative figurative like dropping of my guard uh and maybe she like caught a glimpse of me or maybe she didn't i don't know but it like wasn't about being naked. It was about removing this like barrier that I had it. Oh, it was about being naked. I mean, I knew they weren't going to show anything. My legs are nice. I think. I love the fact, too, that you were like, when can I be naked? Because we, I mean, everyone being on the, on the podcast talking about like the strip dodge ball and the water polo when they were in their speedo. I was like, we got flak for kind of hyping it up and being like, yeah, you know, it was entertaining. So I'm, I'm glad that you can you know that you wanted to like you everyone listening ben was not forced

to take that role was my idea that was my idea also like on the show maybe i come across as like very serious and like you do incredibly thoughtful in that in that experience i was i cared very deeply about how the thing ends up like i don't play i don't play i said it in the show i don't play like if there's something that needs to be achieved or there's some sort of objective and in this case it was like getting to the end ultimately furthering my relationship relationship with this beautiful woman, then like, I'm not fucking around. But in the same way, literally everything that I do is a joke. And so that playful, fun, sarcastic side got to come out in a small bit.

But then I also got to be super thoughtful and super intentional with the way that I, like, curated that thing. I don't know. I want to segue from that, you know, exhibition to the cocktail party. because, you know, we saw you, and I think what sucks, what for me as a viewer is, like, I'm so curious about all of you, men, like, I want to know more. And I felt like the conversation that you had that night with her deserved a lot more time. Like, I will, that's why I'm hoping. I don't know what happens in the weeks to come.

But I would love to see a one-on-one just to learn more about you. But when you did finally open up that night to her, did you feel like, did you feel more of the pressure to divulge that information because of a certain timeline or timeframe that you thought you were honor did you just genuinely want to open up like you felt like it was the right time where it's like i've let i've you know literally shed my clothes i've let my guard down and now i have the the capability and the capacity to talk to tation about you know like this heavy conversation yeah i think specifically that night and then like every other instance during uh this season for me it was incredibly challenging to be open and vulnerable uh like i said the romantic nature of our relationship like

put some sort of weird frame on everything that I do. And maybe it's just because I was like a chubby kid and I'm like afraid that girls don't like me or like whatever it is. I don't know like I don't know what the thing is that causes me to do this. But in that setting, the dynamic between Tate and I was off. And Ben, I need you to share some more stuff with me. And I'd be like, oh, I don't want to do that. That's really scary for me.

I can't do that yet. And she's like, Ben, like, come on. You got to like share some stuff with me. And I'd be like, oh, that seems silly for me to do that. I can't do that right now. And then she'd be like, Ben, just tell me some stuff. And I would be like, okay, I'll tell you some stuff. And so that night, I think, was like a nice gateway or like a breaking of this frame for me to just be like, holy shit,

I'm just going to tell you a whole bunch of stuff. And if it comes off weird, I don't know. It's authentic. So like, here it is. And I share some stuff that's vulnerable for me. And I think it gives me an opportunity then moving forward to like feel comfortable being open and vulnerable. because in that instance, it's small stuff. Yeah, go ahead.

No, I'm so sorry. I thought you were finished. I want you to finish your thought. Well, I was just going to say, it's like, it's small stuff. And you can see throughout the course of the show, it's like very gradual. Like, yeah, me getting naked is like a big thing. But like for me, that's not a big thing. It's just like a way for me to express something small.

The stuff I said to her was far more meaningful. Like, this is my physical body. You can have this thing, but also all the stuff that's inside. you know and and I think just moving forward throughout the process however long it goes every time I'm with her I'm able to divulge more and share more and be more vulnerable and ultimately like deepen the connection that we share yeah that's what I was going to ask you is after you have this moment with her do you feel like it allowed you to just be your your ultimate self as you progress during the show and then the second thing is is so much time kind of was lost because

of Claire and dealing with that and then a second Bachelorette, do you feel like it was a little bit too late for you? Or do you feel like you had enough time to really show her who you are? I think that I most certainly had enough time to show her who I am. In the process, I was most concerned that given like the fleeting nature of our interactions, like you guys know, it's like small touches here and there. It's not days spent together, but those times that you spend together are so intense and so like amplified for like lack of a better term.

They're so important. And so for me, luckily, I was able to be vulnerable and I wasn't holding out any longer. And so like the times that we were able to speak after that were were incredibly valuable for the relationship. I think the art date specifically was incredibly important for me because my interactions with Tatia had been group dates only and so that little tiny bit I mean we'd had like a cocktail party or like the end of a you know I miss the time with her at the at the after party on the group date but the times that I spent with her um up until that point had been like group focused and so this me standing out on that date and then being more vulnerable than I'd ever been at the after party

I think was really valuable for not only my growth on the show but like the growth of that relationship. Yeah. I want to ask you, because this is something prior to you coming on, Rachel and I had chatted about this where we feel like it's been a lot of the men opening up and we're getting to know you guys more, which is great because we obviously did not see that the first couple weeks of the season. But we were talking about how we wanted more from Tasha, like for her to interact more and to ask more questions and to open up a little bit further. do you feel like because you're now starting to to become more vulnerable and like really share who you are, do you feel like that was reciprocated and that she was able to do the same? Or was

it more one-sided? I don't know that it was one-sided. I think there was more of an emphasis placed on me being openly vulnerable with her. And it was almost as if it was a challenge from her. We started off, me walled up and not ready to share. And so I think the theme of our relationship, at least early on, was more of like an interview style where it's like Tasha asking questions or me asking Tasha to ask questions of me so then I can share information. Later, as our relationship progresses, there's more two-way sharing. But I think very much early on, it was more of like a Tisha asking things of me, which I think was appropriate. I think it was appropriate. And just like I said, given the short nature of our relationship,

like not only in time, but in interaction, I think it was appropriate. Yeah. She needs to know about me. You know, she's the one ultimately making the decision. And I said this all along. I said that, like, it's an incredibly beautiful thing that she holds the key in this thing. Like, she gets to decide. So, like, I'm here to be a part of the process.

I'm here to do what they need me to do, what Tasha needs me to do. and I'm excited for the opportunity to progress this relationship to learn more about her, but also to be more vulnerable. Do you read spoilers? You know, I get overwhelmed and stressed, like, really easy. And so all the stuff. Welcome to Bastornation. I know.

It's a lot. It's like a weird. So get this. I could be in front of a room of 10,000 people speaking and be fine. I could be like deployed in like. a war thing and like be totally fine uh my phone if it has more than like five notifications on it i can't handle it uh i can't read the stuff i'm not in the group i like can't do it it's a weird it's like a weird thing for me i'm just so over i'm so overwhelmed by it um and i'm i hope i'm not

alone in that maybe i am i don't it's so overwhelming for me so no i don't i don't read anything people send me stuff all the time but like i just that's good that you don't I can't. I have an incredible support system. That's great. My roommate, a lot of my friends are significantly older than me just for the nature of the community that I live in where I work. A lot of people are, you know, five, ten, 15 years older and they're like keeping me very level-headed. And we have one rule. Don't read the comments. So I don't.

Oh my gosh. You're going to be so successful on this show. You already have the keys to success. You don't pay attention to, you know, what people are saying. You surround it yourself with people who know you get you, lift you up, check you, if your head gets too big because that could happen as well. Oh, yeah.

And so, I mean, we aren't even worried about you. You're about to do fantastic. I also do, I'm like a religious therapy person. So I like, and I've been doing therapy for a long time. And like I prepped for this experience with my therapist.

I like went and did the experience. I came back. I like did an intensive thing. And so I'm like, I'm like, I have a life outside of this experience. And I think that like maybe some people don't see it that way. And so like, I contribute to my community in a way that, like, I'm incredibly proud of.

And so I can't let this experience, also it was, like, incredibly important and something that, like, I'm extremely proud of as well. But, like, I can't let this take away from my ability to, like, be the person that I am for the people that I surround myself with. All right. Clip it. Clip this, pin this at part. Because, Ben, don't ever lose that.

Don't ever lose this. It is so easy to get sucked up into all of this. And we're going to clip this. We're going to pin it. And if you ever get off track, we're just going to slide into your DMs and play this. Because honestly, it's something that every contestant coming off this show should think about. And that's how they should be. This Batchar Nation world, it's so easy to get caught up in the praise, to get sucked into it,

to get a distorted view of how the rest of the world views you or even how you start viewing yourself. So that's beautiful that you're able to hold on to that. I can tell you've been in therapy. I'm big on therapy too. Oh, yeah. We've talked to some people before where like the number one advice we would give or that we've gotten is like keep your therapist regarding because it's going to be a wave. It's still going to be up and down from here. You don't know like what's going to happen. What's going to be shown what people are going to say. And so to have that support system and that just like steady structure to, you know, like if you need to fall, you can land land there. It's so helpful. But this is why like, and Rachel and I've talked about this all the time is that vaccination. Things are so fickle and fleeting. There's a villain one day. There's a new villain in the next. people love you one day. They're going to hate you the next. It's this roller coaster and to still know, like, stay true to who you are and to know,

like, I have my career that I love. I have my friends and family that I can lead on. I have all these things that make me who I am and not just the show. Like, as you said, you're not just like bet on The Bachelor. Like, this is only going to last for a couple months. And so I think, I mean, I wish everyone on your season could take note. And from seasons to come could take note of that mentality and to keep that in mind. because, like, it's not going to be lasting.

I have a friend who's, you know, been pretty instrumental in my development over the last couple of years. And he said to me before I left, he said, without expectation, there are no limitations. And so, like, it worked going into the experience. I had no expectations. I showed up completely as myself. I challenged myself in a way that I'd never challenged myself before. And so there were no limits on what happened there, but the same applies coming home. I have no expectations of, like, what will ultimately be shown on TV.

I know the experience that I had. I know the relationships that I built, you know, the friendships that I cultivated. And for me, the only thing that matters is what mattered before going on the show. And so the community that I live in, the people that I love here, that's what matters now.

And then, like, ultimately, there'll be opportunities and things that come of this experience, new friends, things like that. But I care deeply about what I do. And so I don't think I'm going to, like, lose the, whatever I've got going right here. I'm going to say it, Ben. And then we're going to get to the Rosen Thorn.

I'm going to say it. You have the makings of a good bachelor. I was just thinking that. I'm just going to say it. I don't know what that. I don't know what that means, but I appreciate it. We don't make that statement out, out too much. We'll put that out there, but I'm just going to say, you know.

It's my hair. If this was an audition. It's my hair. It's my hair. This was an audition. Would you say. to it if it were to come i mean i don't know what happened i don't read the spoilers but i don't know what happens in the end of the the season i guess we all have to watch it we'll have to wait and find

out um okay well we always ask this of every contest and everyone that joins us because we have to know and it sounds like from what i'm hearing you don't have many regrets which i think is key to this and and to have like a really successful just appreciation for the show and what you put yourself through so I hope that's the case but if you were to give us your rose and thorn of the season so far you know because we have there's a lot more that that we've yet to see but so far what would it be

uh the rose what does that mean just someone that we like your highlight and your low light of the up until this point um the highlight of this experience for me has been taking a chance on myself and pursuing a thing

that I didn't think I needed to pursue. I'm very comfortable in the world that I live in here. I'm very comfortable with the work that I do. I know I'm exceptional with the job that I do every day. It doesn't stress me, it doesn't challenge me, it doesn't scare me in the way that like the bachelor's experience scared me. And so I think my rose for this experience is the fact that I stepped outside of my comfort zone and challenged myself in a way that I usually wouldn't.

um my thorn I'm upset I never got invited to Chateau Benet to be honest you and me both I'm upset Bennett and I were very close but we I never got the yoga invite I never got the face mask invite you should have showed up with like extra face masks

or mud mask or robe and clippers it's because you were taken up from Noah that's why get this so I'm a strength coach here in Venice we have Muscle Beach here locally we made a Muscle Beach at Lakeinta and I and all the guys we trained at Muscle Beach every day but I never got the invite to do face masks and so that's my foreign Ben is just told you why Ben still meets his face masks

Snella I feel like we've asked a couple of guys this but who would you say on Muscle Beach was the most fit out of all the guys that are left me do you say you yeah he said himself why not let's go for it no hesitation I love it me no me

no that's it I mean I mean no I mean I do this professionally so I better like be all right but you know Zach C incredibly fit he's got a mental he's got another gear

mentally that he can go to and so I I appreciated his fitness, and Kenny is incredibly jacked. We've all seen that. Everybody brings something different to the table. I feel like you guys are all, like every single one of you, at least the date that I hosted last week, everyone was tall, everyone was like a lot of muscle. I'm like the shortest dude in the house.

How's how are you? 6-2. You're the shortest? I'm one of the shortest. Yeah. Oh, man. Yeah. Wow.

Well, that's, I mean, 6-2 is not short, so. Let's just, let's just be honest. Okay, Ben, it's been fun. It's been great to get to know you off the show, you know what I mean? Because I feel like you're one of the quieter ones, but it's been really fun to get to, like, sit down and talk to you, to get a little bit more insight behind the scenes where your head's at, what's behind, the rope, the towel, whatever you, with your hands, whatever you know.

It's a robe. We had to keep it tasteful. I covered up with my hands, too, but. no but no seriously i can't i'm very curious beck and i don't know how this season ends but me either i'd be shocked if you don't make it far um you seem like a really good guy and very level headed which sad to say is rare in this franchise it really is when it comes to the people that come on the show so um we'll be watching yeah thank you ben thank you for pleasantly surprising me and proving me wrong yet again

I'm always wrong in this show, but I'm glad that I didn't just write you off for like a week tour and that you're still here showing more of us, showing more of you to us. That's right. Well, I appreciate it. Thank you so much. Ben was, I was impressed, Becca. Dare I say it? I was impressed with Ben. I'm more impressed that I didn't say call him Bennett the entire time. I'm impressed with you for that too. I thought I was going to pop out at one point. You know what I love. And each week we, of course, keep talking about, like, how we love having the guys on here to get a different perspective and to get to know them better. But I like the fact that we're having men on now that just didn't go home the night before. And now we're catching up with them about their experience. I like having them on halfway through.

We don't know how far he makes it. And some of the other guys that we've had on, too, we don't know how far they go. And I love that fact because, A, it keeps us guessing. It keeps the listeners guessing. but it just gives us a new fresh perspective because they can only give us so much. And so I find that as like one of my favorite parts each week of having them out. Really? I can't stand it. I can't stand the fact that they're, yeah, because I, I'm afraid, like Ben was great. But if Ben does something, I'm going to want to ask. If Ben goes home in the next episode or you know what I mean?

Because Ben seems to me like he would make it very far. I get the attraction that Tasha has to him. so I'm just going to have so many more questions or what if he's not the person that we think he is I don't like this and I think this is the lawyer in me I need to know all the evidence before I sit down and I question you I don't like this the story yeah like this goes against everything that I stand for wait let me let me pitch you this idea and tell me your thoughts why don't we because obviously there's a mental all coming at some point with Chris Harrison why Why don't we do a mental all at some point with all the guys that have gone home and now we can take them back in and say, hey, we talked to you about this on the podcast and you said

this, but you really meant this or this then happened and get a new fresh perspective. We'll have our own mental all. I think that is a fantastic idea, but I'm going to be 100% honest with you. I'm not interested. You just want better? No, no, no, no, no, no, no. I have lost my interest I don't need to talk to you

I'm eager to talk to you right here in this moment by the time we get to men and tell all I have moved on I have moved on I'm not interested in it old news yeah old news old news unless it's something crazy that happens I'm not interested I'm not interested

I would like to have Bennett on again just to rehash the drama that we're now seen yeah and i know you would too i'll i'll i'll have been on a different podcast or i'll just i'll just dm him or something i need to know host of some new podcast at some point let's be honest who bennett yeah he's gonna show up everyone with his face house gone his his his strong suit is is video video like he shines but i don't know we shall see well ben was great it was great i actually was pleasantly surprised um i yeah, I was interested.

It was an interesting interview. Yeah, yeah. We'll see, like you said, I think he'll go far. I'm glad that I was wrong and then we're seeing more of him. So who knows to be continued, which is what we've seen in this episode this week. So next week, we'll kick it off with the rose ceremony. And in the meantime, guys, remember to keep sending us all of your questions about your favorite guys because we'll most likely have them on at some point in this podcast.

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