Bachelor Happy Hour - ‘The Bachelor’s’ Katie on Her Unforgettable Entrance and Matt James’ Kissing Skills

Episode Date: January 19, 2021

Katie from “The Bachelor” opens up to Rachel and Becca about being sex positive and that limo entrance that had everyone talking. Katie also touches on being one of the older contestants this season, and how she stayed true to herself throughout the process. Plus, Katie weighs in on Matt James’ kissing skills! “Bachelor Happy Hour” has exclusive interviews every week. Watch “The Bachelor” on ABC and listen to “Bachelor Happy Hour” the next morning. Don’t forget to rate and subscribe so you never miss an episode. See omny.fm/listener for privacy information.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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What's up, everybody? Welcome back to Bachelor Happy Hour. Once again, we've got another great show for you guys and another great guest. Now, you guys have been giving us excellent feedback on the episode that we had with Matt James. I mean, we were so excited to have him as you knew. And I feel like you guys were excited to learn more about him. because let's be honest you're not necessarily getting that

from him on your television screens am I right Serena P? Okay and that's all we're going to talk about on that date because that's all we got. Love Serena P, she's got great energy but we got nothing for Matt so thank God we had him on this podcast so you can know that there's a lot more

to him because you ain't getting it on your TV screens but it ain't about Matt James we had him last week. It's about Katie who is our next guest who you probably didn't know where you were going to land with Katie she came on with the vibrator, you know, we had never seen anything like that. But she has slowly buzzed her way into all of our hearts. And we're going to break all of that down with her

and all the rest of the other interesting things from this episode. Yes, Rachel, you know, I think it's going to be a long, maybe not so much of a hard episode, but we're going to get all of the tea from Katie because let's face it, it's no surprise. She's one of our favorites. I loved her night one she tapped marie on the on the shoulder with the vibrator i was sold with her um but before we get into that we did see some drama go down and we're not going to do a full blown recap because i feel like like i said we have katy on you can hear it from the horse's mouth but i think some of the major moments that took place last night dealt with one twoish people and that is sarah and that is victoria so i guess let's just get into it we don't need to go into the dates indeed

tale because, I mean, as you said, Serena P. Matt, they had a great, great connection. I think I personally, Rachel, and tell me your thoughts on this, I loved this group date idea. Really? I actually would have been terrified. Oh, I would have been terrified too, but I found it as a viewer so entertaining. The fact that they had to blur out so much commentary makes me hope to God that a lot of the girls still have their books with these stories written in because if we ever have any of the you know besides katie anyone else on the podcast you sure as hell know i'm going to ask them to bring this erotica book that they wrote absolutely not that's for mat okay i don't need to hear about your sex crazed fantasy ideas about matt i don't want to hear it i

don't need to see that as phoebe from friends would say i don't want to see it okay but you know what my main thought was when i watched this date what is the tv rating for the bachelor because we have come a long way from Wholesome Family TV show. It's got to be an MA. I don't even know what comes after that. It's got to be. Well, think about this. Remember two weeks ago when we were covering the premiere and we were talking about the

fact that now as a family-friendly show, they're bringing on this vibrator like, yes, it was Blackbox. But I feel like ABC is testing the limits. They're stepping out of this little comfort on this bubble, if you will, and seeing like how far can we push it sex-wise? to get viewers. And I mean, I found it hilarious. They pushed it.

You know what else they were pushing? A perfect letter. Written by Chris Harrison. Apparently in 2015. Now, I wasn't aware Chris Harrison wrote a book and I'm pretty sure a lot of us weren't. We saw it strategically placed behind him as we watched The Bachelor Greatest Seasons ever this summer. And I was like, oh, Chris wrote a book. Now we have a whole date surrounding it.

So if you haven't already, Chris Harrison and, and the Bats of Franchise wants you to know that he wrote a book called A Perfect Letter. And you should go out and get it because obviously it is erotica, which is hilarious. And it sounds like it is juicy. I need to know if there's any truth to these stories. I did not. I knew Chris wrote a book. I did not know it was this type of book.

And so I feel like we know Chris in one way and I think viewers know him another way. But this is like a whole new facet of Chris Harrison that I'm learning. Have you seen the cover? No. It's got Fabio on the front of it. Just kidding. I was like, what? No, you want to know what would make it really good as if Franco was on the front.

Franco took the picture. Franco is one of the main characters. Yeah, so basically, we obviously see the girls give their fantasies. We don't need to get into it. We'll have Katie on to pick her brain because she was very well part of this. And since the beginning, she's been very sad. sex positive. So we'll pick her brain. The main part of this date, though, really isn't what happens during the day portion. It's at the night, which obviously we see Sarah, who is not part of

this, come crash, and then it just continues on into the week with her kind of spiraling out and not knowing where she stands with Matt and being part of the show, if you will. Can I ask you a question about their erotica date? I agree with you. I totally want to talk to Sarah, but I meant to ask you this. I kept thinking if this were the other way I just felt like Matt's and they joked with him Matt's story was very PG

how would the audience have accepted if Matt had had a story on the same level as the women I feel like there was a double standard here imagine if Matt was saying

some of these things I couldn't stop thinking about it do you think it would have been as well received by the audience the women would have because, you know, like, they're, you know, horny for Matt. But I think. Well, my first thought actually was when he was reading his, like, I, did he actually write it? Or was it somebody that's just like, hey, here's the date.

Here you go, read this to these women. Like, did he, and I think. I'm sure he gathered the same words that he had on the Serena P date to. Yeah, yeah. And as the lead would be blank. It's my point. Yeah. She made me laugh.

But as the lead, you tipto this fine line of you can't be too out there, if you will, because you have to still appeal to the viewers. Like, you are the one carrying this season. Like, it's kind of on your shoulders. And so I think for any lead, whoever it was, I think that they probably wouldn't have been, I don't want to say able, but they probably wouldn't have been able to go that extreme. Like, there's no way that they could have read probably what Victoria was rating. I don't think so.

I think if we were the Bachelorettes and the men were reading to us, they could not have spoken to us that way. I think there's a double standard. I could not imagine them saying, you know, and then I did beep and beep, and she felt beep, and we did beep together, but right before we beeped and I made her beep, you know what I mean? Like, it would have sounded totally different coming from men, and it's just, I just, I kept thinking that. I thought, could this state be in reverse? And I think there's a double standard. I don't think it could. Let us know that's a happy hour listener.

Yeah. What do you guys think? Yeah. Please write to us because now I'm very intrigued. I wasn't even thinking about it in that way. And I'm so glad that you brought it up. And that's why I love doing the podcast with you. Because it make me think in different ways and push the boundaries and see things differently.

So I appreciate it. Oh, you're welcome. Oh, but I'm very interested to now see what our followers and our listeners have to say about it. Yeah. Yeah. But Sarah, you were talking about Sarah. Yeah.

So let's get into Sarah. I mean, I have my own thoughts on what we saw with her. But I want to hear your take on it first. Like overall, you know, and we see her basically steal time from a group date. She's not on. We see her then hide in her room, not really confront the girls until the very end of the day. After a lot more has gone on, we see the women vocalize very much so wide. they're upset with her and then we do finally actually see her go home which i wasn't expecting i thought

she was going to do the oh i pack my bags and then stay so what were your thoughts overall on sarah i thought first one first thought was who mighty is the fall because last week sarah was great this week we were like this is another side of sarah then i thought if it's all good just a week ago was a person it would be sarah okay sarah flipped on us real quick quick. I mean, my thought watching Sarah is, look, I don't want to be too hard on Sarah because I'll leave that to the bullying circle that was at her. Everybody wants to throw the word bullying. That was bullying. You might not have agreed how Sarah navigated this episode, and I personally don't agree, but I wouldn't attack her in a big way. I remember on my season when they

wanted to do that with Corinne. I hated that. There were several of us who walked out the room. I'm not down for the, let's gang up on this person and they can't defend themselves. But I thought my, I did feel for Sarah because this experience isn't for everyone. And watching Sarah, I thought, listen, it's, this is hard. It's tough. And if you can't, if you're not strong enough to survive this for whatever reason, family, insecurities, doubt, then you have to remove yourself because the best side of you will not come out. And the lead will never get to see it. And that was Sarah.

She was slowly deteriorating, and I don't, I'm not confident she would have made it far because she wouldn't have been able to give Matt her best self. I will also say on the other side, we saw another side of Matt and how he handled this situation. We are seeing Matt's inexperience in this episode. We all know that Matt has never been on a Bachelor franchise show before. We saw it this episode. The way Matt does not know what it's like to be a contestant. And I feel like if he had gone through that experience of the Bachelorette, then he would have better known how to handle the situation with Sarah. He wouldn't have entertained it.

He would have realized that, hey, you're taking away from other women. I know what it's like to wait all day, all week, just for five to ten minutes with whoever the lead was. He didn't know how to feel that because he's never been through that. So his first thought was just to cater to Sarah because she was hurting, not realizing the consequence that it was having on the rest of the women. And he wasn't putting Sarah in a good place. but also wasn't putting the other women in a good place. And it's on the lead to kind of navigate this show and to make everyone feel more comfortable.

It's your responsibility as a lead. Yeah, yeah, and that's a really good point. I think, especially when you go blind and have no idea, you do want to comfort the person who's hurting. And in his mind, you know, she's the one who, I guess, had the wound and was bleeding and was the injured one and not taking into account that there's so many other women still here, which I had two points of,

and I really, really do try, I do empathize with Sarah because obviously she's going through something way bigger than the show, and that's dealing with her father and his sickness. So I understand that part and how hard it is to be away and to not know on a day by day, even hour by hour basis of how a family member and a loved one is doing.

So I empathize with her. also could empathize with her in the fact that putting myself back into her position as one of the many contestants on The Bachelor, I was Ari's very first one-on-one date. And I remember what it felt like to have the very first date to build this really strong, solid connection. And then the week after, go on a group date and see him interact with multiple women, see him have form sort of a same connection. And so I get why it was difficult for her. That being said, you also know what you're signing up for. And if you really want it to work in the long run, you have to have confidence not only in

yourself, but in the relationship that you're forming, that if it's going to last in the long run, and if it's going to work out, then you have to have faith that he's going to navigate the other relationships that you're seeing go down with some sort of like stability and still have a strong head and heart. My issue with what we saw with her was two things. She kept saying throughout the entire episode, it's just really hard for me. It's just really hard for me. And that as a viewer, I couldn't fully swallow because it's hard for everyone for different reasons. Everyone had to leave their family and their friends and their work and their home and their phones and everything that they were used to behind. So it's truly,

hard for everyone and I think she wasn't able to step outside of that and see that it's difficult for everyone in a different way. She just kept saying it's really hard for me, but she didn't say, I understand it's hard for you too. And going into that, because she kept saying that, I don't think she fully considered others. Like she was on, it seems like she had her agenda and needed her time and her reassurance, not realizing like, you know, Matt's being pulled in a thousand in different directions. There's a whole crew who are on certain time limits that are filming this show. There are

still 20 plus women sitting downstairs who half of them haven't had any time with him, really. They haven't had a one-on-one. They haven't had time with him during a cocktail party. And so like, it's very easy, you know, and sometimes I can be a

very selfish person and wrapped up in my feelings and thoughts, but I have a problem when people can't see the bigger picture and empathize for others around them. And I felt like I wasn't quite getting that with her with with the entire episode. Absolutely. That's why I'm really interested in talking to our guest, Katie, because she was right there in the mix. Not only was she an observer, she was interrupted by Sarah. She had to fight for her time back with Matt from Sarah. Then she chased after Sarah. And then she

consoled Sarah and saw another side that the other group didn't get to see. So Katie's like our go-to. She knows it all. Plus, you know, she's funny and all the things we love to see in a bachelor contestant. Yeah, yeah. So I think we should bring her on. But before that, I want to play the game because sticking with the donkey theme that we saw in the one-on-one day with Matt and Serena, I think we should nominate a person who's the ass of the episode and one person who's the rose of the episode. Because obviously, every time we have a guest on, we ask them the rose and the thorn.

So let's call this one the ass and the Rose, if you will. Okay. This one's new. Do you want to go first? Yeah, I will start it out. So, well, Rose, I'm going to say. I'm going to give it to our guest, Katie, because I so appreciated the way that she handled the last conversation that she had with Sarah, the fact that she removed herself

from the group of women who are already going hard at Sarah to sit down and have the confidence and the wherewithal to say like, hey, if you're still feeling Matt and if he's still feeling you, you need to explore this. I think it takes a strong woman to not just say, let me help you pack and roll your suitcase out here. Yeah. So I would give Katie the Rose and vice versa, not that I wanted say Sarah was the ass. I just, because again, like I do empathize with what she was feeling in certain moments. But yeah, I think she just kind of took a lot away from the group of women. Yeah. But also, I think I would give it to Kate and Victoria as well, because they went for her hard. And I don't think it was the proper way to handle that situation.

Yeah, I'm going to agree with you. For all the same reasons, Katie is absolutely the rose. The ass definitely goes to Victoria, but this is why I'm going to give it to her. I thought we were going to see another side of Victoria. Remember, Victoria is the first one we saw run out after Sarah. And Sarah was like, yeah, you've been my girl. And she's like, yeah, girl, I got you. I'm just making sure you're okay. And I thought, wow, you know, she was really able to put how she was feeling aside to go after Sarah and make sure she was okay. But it was all calculated. I mean, at the beginning of the episode, we see that she particularly wants to eliminate Sarah. So her going after Sarah, her motives weren't in the right place. I mean, she really

was more so cuddling up to her so she could destroy her. And then we see that happen later on when they're all in the group, and she's annihilating Sarah by going after her for what she did. So, no surprise here, it goes to Victoria. That ass goes to Victoria. The queen in something, guys. Yeah. Yeah. So let's put that ass to the side.

And let's talk about our rose, because our rose is on the podcast today. She's probably been one of the most talked about ladies since night one for a whole lot of reasons. And we're happy to talk to her today. we can't wait to meet her you guys please welcome katie to the podcast well welcome to the podcast katie we well rachel and i ourselves are huge fans of you i think as a collective whole bachelor nation is a huge fan of you so we are so excited to have you first here on bachelor happy hour thank you i'm happy to be here um before we even get started i need to know where's the vibrator and will it make an appearance in this podcast i do have it in my house

They will not make an appearance on this podcast. Have you turned it on? I love the fact that it matched your dress night one. It was definitely sparkly and a lot bigger than I expected when I was holding it. So, yeah. You know, but I mean, it was like the perfect statement for like 2020. I mean, if like 2020 could be like a meme for women, it's that during this pandemic. the purple sparkly vibrator yes were you nervous about coming i don't know i don't know how like

familiar you were with the show before you came on and you can answer that um in this question but were you at all nervous were you like was there like any apprehension on your part of thinking maybe maybe this isn't a good idea like this is a family show like were you concerned it how like in the moment it's the moment right like you're in it but then afterwards we like oh my god i mean for me it actually summarized me perfectly and our time is so short and i could do nothing but be myself and i knew matt is religious um i know i don't know him personally so i knew it could very well send me home night one and i would have no regrets because it really summarizes who i am as a person my sense of humor my confidence my you know sexual

empowerment for females and i didn't know what to expect when i did my little you know stunned. But he laughed. And so I just felt like this huge weight lifted off of me after that. I mean, if you guys saw his laugh, it was just the biggest, most genuine laugh. And I was like, all right. It was as if he used the vibrator. That's how it looks. We all three. Well, I will say this. I think it was after you walked away, he laughed uncontrollably for a couple seconds. And I think that, like, he probably needed that there's so much pressure. It's so intense. As you know, I mean, you lived through night one so i think it was needed on all parts and and i'm glad that uh you just said it right on the table you named it it made an appearance later on in the night um and before we like actually

get into the show and and night one and the few dates that we've seen so far this is kind of your thing isn't that because i'm not going to lie i've done some creeping on instagram and ticot and you actually have some hilarious videos out there that are pretty on par with what we saw night one I mean yeah like I said my entrance kind of matches my personality and like what I'm about and you know over this last year with the pandemic of course we all downloaded TikTok and we just kind of start creating our own videos to entertain us and Rachel didn't you don't have TikTok at all I don't like it I just I can't get down with it no no shame to the to everyone else it's just not my thing hey that's fine it definitely tweaks itself to customize your your like. So, you know, if that's cooking or comedy like with me or dancing videos for other people, it'll cater to you. But yeah, that's kind of what my thing was this summer about being single and in quarantine and just being sex positive. And it just kind of randomly took off. I never expected anything from it really. Well, I think they're great. They're good videos.

I want to see your videos because I like you. So I'll go look on, I'll go creep on your page and check them out. Did you watch the show before? Yeah. Actually, Chris Harrison calls me a resident super fan. So the first episode I watched was Ashley and JP, which is a little unfortunate because they were always my example of like, I believe the show works. And it does. They built a beautiful family. And you know, and people change and life happens. But yeah, I've watched the show for a long time. The reason I ask you to watch the show is because you continue to talk about being sex positive, which is fantastic. And even in last night's episode, we saw. you kind of gather the women around and talk about how much you appreciated the group date that you had because you got to see the women be sex positive. So I'm really interested on your take of because you're a fan of the show and you've seen that the show always hasn't been supportive of those who are sex positive.

Caitlin Bristow, you know, was definitely the one who had to walk through that door first and she was slutshame. And then we saw Hannah B, you know, proclaim the statement that she made and people, some people were more receptive to it, but other people were really upset with what she said. And so now here you come and your vibrator, you know, out the limo, and you're really kind of putting this in our face to accept it. And so I'm just curious with you, was that something that you really wanted to put out there, that you wanted to be a part of your message and who you are on the show? It wasn't some agenda that I had coming on to the show. It's just who I am and who

I've been this whole time. And, you know, it wasn't until after the fact that I realized how big of a deal it was, which excites me because I do believe it's, you know, it's 2021, women should be comfortable talking about their sexuality. You know, I have Taylor Nolan here in Washington State and, you know, she's a big advocate as well. And, you know, I just, I appreciate being comfortable being able to talk about it. And hopefully that means other women will soon start to open up a little bit because being sex positive is important, you know, in a relationship, in yourself, in your self-care and in so many different things, especially in this pandemic. So it was never really an agenda. I just continue to be myself. But with time, you definitely see that it becomes such an

important topic for women and, you know, hopefully more people can, you know, start feeling comfortable talking about it. That's awesome. Cheers. I'm going to drink to that. I love that. I wish somebody would have tapped me on the shoulder with the vibrator to butt in. I mean, it was the highlight of the episode. It truly was. I will say, I was inside. So, you know, I obviously have no idea what's happening. when I come outside and you know poor Mari bless her heart she's amazing but uh you know we do need comedic relief night one everyone's very nervous and intense and you know I feel like I was able to kind provide that a little bit yeah yeah I mean look you are a smart girl you brought a night one hopefully you stick around for a while and had it I'm sure no one else in the house is able to

entertain themselves it's a long two months let's be honest so smart woman I want to so obviously you have watched the show, you kind of know, you've learned now more the ins and the ins and out. So how is it going from being this resident super fan as you call yourself to watching yourself back and listening to you speak in interviews and to Matt and to all these women? Like, what is that like for you? I mean, you think you know what you're getting yourself into going on the show, but then when you actually experience it, it's, it's nothing you can prepare for. You know, it's emotionally draining. And to watch it and see the connections he was building early on, for me, you're just like, oh, I thought we had the connection,

but obviously you have a connection with all these other women, too. And so you seem to watch it back and to relive some of those emotions and those memories. And, you know, it wasn't really that long ago that we filmed, but it feels like a lifetime ago. It's bizarre bubble has done to us. Yeah. It puts you in a few different states because it's, you know, you're in one mindset when you're filming and then you come out and you're in this weird limbo phase, if you will, between filming and airing and now it's airing and the entire world has something to say and they have their opinions and comments being thrown at you. How are you able to navigate like through the world of social after now that this is on TV, how are you able to navigate that? I mean, for example,

night one was going to be a love, hate relationship with some of the viewers. But for me, I'm 30 now and I feel very just comfortable in who I am and I know I'm not going to be everyone's cup of tea and I know how ugly social media can be. And so I personally felt prepared for the backlash that, you know, some people are going to have when it came to night one. But also I know what my journey looks like and who I am as a person. And that's all I can really, you know, kind of hold on to. There's always going to be hate no matter what you do.

And so I'm just very comfortable in who I am as a person. Yeah. I was going to ask you how old you are. You, Katie. The more you talk, the more you're my favorite. actually you are my favorite it's not the more you are I mean it's just you could tell that like you I don't know you just had life experiences you've been through things you just get it and I don't want to get into this just yet but it segues into kind of what we see happen in this episode because part

of the show is survival of the fittest and it's not a knock to who you are as a person it's just that if you aren't strong enough to survive what this experience is it'll take you out it is the freaking hunger games. I remember on my season, we were all like, I'll volunteer as tribute. It truly is that. And y'all had a group date that was the hunger games, you know, so y'all were really in it. But I'm curious with you, you really just seem to like have it together to know who you are, which is also key to the show. How did you get on it? How did I become who I am or how to get on my show? No, no. That's another podcast. How did you become a yard? No. How did you get on the show?

I just applied and you know it's it's so funny because I joke with my friends I'm like oh I'm the target version of a contestant because like I'm not this like there's so many beautiful women super models who are on this show you know and and in bachelor world I'm considered you know older and so when I was casted I was actually pretty shocked I was kind of in denial even like getting ready for it you know and I was just my 100% self and I guess they found that pretty refreshing. Like I had no filter. I didn't hide anything. And I was like, okay, they must think I'm a good match for Matt and let's go with it. And so I just, you know, it's a pandemic. This is a perfect opportunity to date somebody. I've been like locked up and online

dating sucks. And, you know, once in a lifetime opportunity to meet someone like Matt. And, and, you know, I went with it. This is why I think we like you, because you own who you are too. I feel like every time we talk to somebody and ask them how they got on the show, they always put it on someone else. Like no one will just admit like, yeah, I signed up. I filled out this application. I went through the process on my own because I wanted to. So I think it's so refreshing that you can say that and tell everyone. And I feel like I can relate to you personally because, you know, I was a little bit older. And now, and I'll say this to Rachel all the time. Like, I feel like, I joke that I'm, I feel like a grandma watching this show. So I'm glad that they still are having

like good down-to-earth quality and a little bit older and more mature women on the show. What is it like for your family and your friends watching you back like i'm assuming the katy that they know is what they see on tv but what has it been like for them i mean none of them were really surprised when i was going to go on the show you know they know my personality i feel like i'm very outgoing and obviously i think i'm a catch so let's go me on the show and see if mad agrees um so they were very supportive my mom i will say has never seen the show and so this is her first time watching it so she was very excited, but I'm like, there's a lot you don't know, mom. So like, enjoy. Just X-Me. I'm not watching it with you. Yeah, it's, you're refreshing. It's, it's a lot of times we see people come on the show and

especially someone who's a fan of the show. You know, you're what we call the encyclopedia. Usually those people are trying to be like another lead or another contestant or play a role because they know how this game goes. You're so, it's, it comes through the TV screen that you are authentically being yourself, you really don't care, you're very, I don't know, it's just, it's fun to watch. And then you find, as a viewer, we find ourselves rooting for you. I want to get into last night's episode, the erotica date, which we've already talked about you being sex positive. And I loved how you gathered the woman around and had that conversation. But we missed a lot of the date because a lot of it was beeped out. Now, I myself took the liberty of

filling in the blanks. So I'm pretty sure I figured out the tails. But you were right there with the front row seat and participated. What? Who had the best performance? Victoria. Take yourself out. Really?

Victoria, even with me in it. Victoria, 10 of 10, amazing show. We actually had to reenact it back at the house. She's a funny girl. I'm sorry, what? Who played Matt? Who played Matt? What do you mean?

You reenacted her story? she re-read the story no oh i thought you said pre-enacted i was like i'm sorry who played mad i'm confused no she reread it at the house because it was just that good like we just did an encore and it was just it was hilarious and you know with how intense the house can get we can all use some good last regardless of the dynamics and the drama we thrive on luster so she was great did you feel like i mean obviously this date seemed to be a little bit within your wheelhouse because you are so sex positive. Did you feel like you were kind of like a champion or a mentor, if you will, for some of these women? Because I can imagine some of them probably

got on this date and they're like, oh my gosh, I'm so uncomfortable. This makes me nervous. How am I going to get up in front of Matt and this group of women and, you know, tell like my deepest, darkest fantasies? Yeah, I wouldn't call myself a champion necessarily, but people knew I was going to go all out with this one, especially because I had PTSD from not getting to go on the evening portion of the date. So every time I'm like, I got to go all out. I got to make sure I'm here the whole time. And so I'm sure that kind of help women knowing like, well, hey, even if mine's a little vanilla, like, we know Katie's like setting the bar over here. So it's a good time that. We're all very comfortable in having these conversations. And that was a fun date.

Time you mentioned obviously having a little bit of PTSD from not making. taking it to the night portion from last week's group date. Fast forward to the group date night portion this week, we see you sitting down with Matt finally having a conversation, you know, and in this Hunger Games journey, if you will, time is of the essence. We say that all the time. So obviously, you're interrupted by Sarah, who wasn't even on the date. And so when you see her walking and her basically interrupt Matt and pull him, what was

going through your mind? my first thought just because there were so many women was is she on this group date because i just didn't remember i just kind of like let her have her time because i'm like uh i was just i wasn't prepared you know and so girls know and they're like go get your man and so that's what i'm like okay it's starting to kind of come together like wait wait wait she's not on the group date what's going on this is not right what's happening so you know i let her have her minute because you just don't know what she needs to say and I thought maybe she wanted to go home and by all means you can go home if that's what you're telling him but I just was not prepared and it was so early for that kind of environment that I just

like I said I thought she was on my date really so when you realize she wasn't on your date and she takes her time and you went back and told the women which at first okay I I love the sequence of events because when you left I was like oh come on Katie like the Katie that I feel like I know would not let it go down this way. And then you go back to the women. And you're like, you guys, Sarah is here. And everyone gets all riled up. And Victoria, this is the moment where I actually liked Victoria, where she tells you to go back in there and, you know, get your time back. And you did. And then we see you standing in the corner. And then you sit on the couch. I mean, can you just tell us? Like, how long was that was that time period of you standing there? It wasn't

five minutes, which is what she asked for. And then listening to them kiss, right? couldn't you hear them make out? I mean, like the concept of time during a pandemic, during the coming, all of this, like, it doesn't make sense, you know? And so I felt like I gave her enough time to say what she needed to say, but then she wasn't leaving. And so I just had to sit there and be like, okay, like your time is up. I don't know how, like, how more clear I can be, like, you need to go.

Do you wish in that moment Matt would have stepped up a little bit? Because I felt like he left it up to the two of you. But also there are moments where you want the guy to want, to spend time with you and be like no you know like you're on this date sarah kindly leave let me have the time with katy do you wish he stepped up in that moment absolutely it's so awkward as we're getting to know matt for him to have to see me being like this like leader and like essentially a little pushy like hey this is my time and i'm just like kind of sitting there like okay sarah move no but also he's never gone through this experience and so i don't say my expectations were low it's just we're

all kind of navigating this together and he's trying to do right by all the women he's dating. Obviously, he's coming off his high with his one-on-one with her. So I don't know how that went with him. So he probably doesn't know the right way to handle it as none of us really do while we go through this. But yeah, it is unfortunate to have to kind of take charge and be like, this is my time. This is my group date that you are not on. Keep in mind, you had your one-on-one date. Why are you? You know, so it was frightening for sure. I can't even imagine being in that situation. Like, as I was watching and I kept thinking, how would I handle it? because you think you know what you would do,

but you really don't know until you're in that situation. I have to say you were definitely the bigger person because Sarah didn't care about your feelings or anybody else's that was on that date, but yet she expected you to care about her feelings and how she was feeling and what her motives were by taking time away from you guys. And then even on that date, after she gets emotional,

we see you go after her to have a conversation. What was going through your mind when you decided to do that? And why? I just wanted to check in with her. You know, I was getting mixed emotions from her and feedback from her, mixed feedback from the girls. Like, nothing was really making sense that night. And so I just kind of wanted to talk to her, just me and her, no Matt, no girls, and just kind of figure out, you know, what's going on? What can we do to, like, give you the clarity?

Because, like I said, I thought maybe she was trying to go home that night. And if that's what she wanted to do, I will give her five minutes to say goodbye, you know? But the fact she was saying just different things, nothing really made sense to me. And so I personally was just trying to get clarity and understanding why she felt like that night was a good time to talk to Matt when there was no closure at that time for what she was going to do. And so I want to get into because obviously the close of that evening, you know, no one was, I think, thrilled by any means.

And then it trickled down into the next day. We saw Sarah locked in her room. All of the girls are, you know, talking about what went down and why she's not here and how she's kind of trying to soak in this attention, if you will, and say she's going to leave and come back. And there was just a whole lot of mess going on when it came to Sarah this week. I will say, I think, going into a group of girls, what was there at that point, 24 maybe of you?

I don't even know. There's still so many, you know, for Sarah to walk in into this. if you will, of all these women, and I'm sure she knew what she was going to be getting thrown at her. The way that you then approached her later on and had this one-on-one conversation when she was questioning, going home, and in that moment, what made you compelled to go up to her room and sit down with her and have that conversation and hash it out like an adult? I mean, just like human to human, you watch this woman just be verbally abused by everybody, you know, and sure, she's been gone all day and everyone's entitled to their emotions and that's fine,

but to witness it, it just, it wasn't fun to watch. You just felt like you're watching this girl get beat up for no reason. She interrupted me, and I felt like I was less mad than some of the other girls who weren't even on the date, you know? And like I said, this environment just kind of changes you a little bit. Tensions are high. You don't have your phone. And so it's a tough environment to be in. It's the hardest thing I'm sure any of us have ever done.

And so, you know, when I thought that maybe she was going to leave, what I didn't want to have happen was Matt to feel like, she was the one that got away, you know? And so I wanted to really just make sure she was leaving on her own and that there wasn't any unresolved feelings from Matt because ultimately if she has feelings from Matt, I need her to stay and explore that out completely. You know, I don't want to be Matt's backup plan if Sarah was his first choice, you know?

And so just checking on her and seeing like, hey, how are you doing if you're leaving because, you know, the girls, like I will have your back. Like if you have feelings from Matt, just explore that and focus on that. And so that was really the motivation behind it is like, I don't want to be Matt's plan B. Do you really think that the girls didn't have a reason to be upset?

Because I agree with you. The way they handled it was not okay. I'm not big on like ganging up on one person. Just like last week, I wasn't, well, that wasn't the whole gang, but I didn't like the way Victoria handled the Maryland situation. So this week, I didn't appreciate that it was her against everyone else. I would have gone to her personally, but you said, you know, you were interrupted, and girls were more mad that weren't even interrupted.

But I do think the women had a reason to be mad. I'm interested in why you don't think they did. I mean, I think everyone can be mad. It's just how you handle it, you know? And, yes, the whole Sarah situation took up a lot of the rose ceremony and then into the next day. You know, we don't see her, so we don't know what's going on, where she's what's happening. And so ultimately, I do think Sarah could have also handled things differently. You know, I think her being gone all day didn't help the situation at all because then we're all

speculating what's going on. Is this an act? Why is she doing it this way? You know, I just can't sit there and allow people to, like, badmouth somebody. You know, we can be upset that our time is disrupted, but it just felt, I don't know, it's just hard to watch. You know, it's one thing when it's two girls fighting that's going to happen in this environment but when you just feel like the whole house came down on one girl and so early on it just as a human i just i couldn't feel a good watching that i will say i appreciated the fact that you did take initiative to go up to her room and have a one-on-one conversation with her i i would hope that maybe some other girls wanted to and it just wasn't aired or shown or you know couldn't pan out based on timing um

And also to you, I think, were the best person out of the entire group of women to do that. Not only could you be this bigger person and have the confidence to say, like, look, you know, if you still have feelings, you need to explore that. Like most people, I think, would be like, no, leave, bye. I will help you pack your bags and wheel it out, you know. And so the fact that you, you know, again, it comes with maturity and just being confident in yourself, I think, to say that stay. But also, I found it and it's because I can relate to you very much so. The fact that you were able to relate to her when she opened up to you about her family and her dad and the fact that he is very sick and she's kind of the caretaker with her family members,

I thought that was a really special moment. And just for me personally, my father, like you passed away about 10 years ago now. And so I think to have somebody that relates and that gets in and has lived through that helped her astronomically, I think make this decision for her. did you after having that conversation just feel more bonded with her and have you kept in touch with her since regarding her father and the illness if you will yeah you know that moment for me was probably one of the most raw moments in our experience together because i had no idea you know it's so early on we don't have time to really get to know the girls in our backgrounds and so when that happened it was you know just the most genuine unpredictable bond that i was going to

to have with her, you know? And when she said it, I just, I felt like this like tingling feeling of just like, oh my God, you know. I'm feeling it right now as you're talking about it. I get it. Yeah. You know, and it's hard. And then you just, you, I instantly just felt very protective over her. Regardless of dating the same guy, regardless of what drama has happened at this point, family's family and like losing a parent is really hard. And if she's struggling with that, I cannot do anything but, you know, respect her for wanting to be, with her family, you know? And I'm sure you can understand

we would do anything for more time with our dad. And so, yeah, it was just the most unexpected moment while I was there and definitely bonded with her over that and became very protective over her because we don't know what's going on in anybody's lives. You know, and so here America can watch everybody and judge and critique, but we don't know everyone's story. And that's how I felt like with Sarah.

And once I got to know her story, I understood everything she was going through and respected her decision. Yeah, we don't see those moments very often. You know, people are typecasted, and we see them playing a certain role, whether they're trying to do it or it's just the way the story is told through the season. And so I found it, I didn't know that that's where it was going to go. And to see, even knowing, because we were privy as viewers at that point, to know that her father had been diagnosed with ALS,

but had no idea how you were going to open up with her and how you all were going to share that bond. And it really was something. And honestly, it checked me. It was like, you know what? You don't know what everybody's going through. Now, that's not going to stop me from giving my opinion on certain people, but it was like you really don't know.

That being said, do you. If Sarah chose not to go home, right? She was just like, I'm going to, you know, I'm going to do something for myself because it really does seem like Sarah is a very selfless person. When you watched her package, when you watch her navigate the show, when she talks about her father, she's selfless. But we saw, you know, a different side of her. Do you think, knowing how the rest of the season goes, you know, with the extra women,

with the alleged escort, with whatever, whatever other drama we don't know about, do you think she would have survived? I really don't. I mean, like I said, it is the hardest thing any of us have gone through. And if you have a big family thing looming over your head during all this, you can't really expect yourself to give your all. You know, and as much as she might want to, it's just not her time. And I am probably glad she left when she did,

because as you've seen in previews, things are only going to get more intense. And if she was feeling this way so early on, it was probably a good time for her consider leading the show yeah yeah i think like you know because i felt like as a viewer all episode things are escalating and escalating and escalating and escalating and getting worse and worse with her to the point where i was like oh no like this is not going to be good for her i i know what's to come when the show is done airing what people or what the fans and the followers are going to say about her and so i think that moment perfect timing on your part and and her making this decision to you know finally say like an actual goodbye to Matt and leave um all worked out in the end but yeah it could have

been bad but i'm just glad that we were able to see as rachel said more of this this human side to both of you um and we talk at link every podcast i think we say this is like we only see two hours of an episode you guys are filming basically 24-7 there's so much more there's so much backstory to everyone to still you know even in moments where you like think somebody's a villain and and and hate them and think they're manipulative. And I will say like I get wrapped up in it too as well. It's what the show does. It's why it's, you know, been around for so long. But, but to have grace on everyone that's putting their lives on the line and their lives on hold and coming out here to do this just to hopefully find love. Yeah. I mean, the internet is harsh. And, you know,

I do want to take this time to remind everyone. We all have our own stories and our backgrounds and we are the way we are for, you know, certain reasons. Some people are amazing. And, you know, individuals and some people are struggling during this whole time. And, you know, I've seen some mean things being said about some of the girls. And it's just a good reminder that we all have our own stories outside of the show. And we all are just regular people and remind people to just think twice before being just this internet troll, really. I have two questions. One, this is logistics. This is logistics. Everyone kept saying Sarah was hiding in her room. Did she not have a roommate? And if so, who was it? You know, that was so long ago. I really don't remember who her

roommate was. If anybody, um, yeah, I don't, I don't know. I just know, like, I know there was a time where I went to try and find her and we couldn't find her. So she was definitely gone. She was, couldn't find her. There were times people tried to find her. She was missing. So I just kept saying, who is her roommate? Like, can't we, can't we do like a wellness check? Like, can't she just knock on the door and be like, hey, girl, you all right in there? Or use her key to get in there? I was so confused by this. And then the other thing, it was just what you were saying about, like, no one should be, you know, a troll. And I, and like, we definitely have had our fair share of criticism when it comes to being contestants and then leads and now doing this

podcast. But what about people? And I'm specifically speaking about Victoria. I'm sure there are other sides of her, but Victoria, to me, is not a Sarah who, you know, was struggling with, you know, yes, with what at home, but also just navigating how hard this environment is, which you know, it's difficult. And you question yourself a lot. That's not Victoria. So what would you say to the people who it's like maybe bring on this type of attention because they're playing into, a certain role for her i guess it's the queen yeah you know i've struggled with that because obviously a lot of people want to know you know what does she like and you know ultimately i don't i mean we are there on our own free will and do and say what we want and if you want to lean into your you know

it's so-called persona and just be this like ultimate villain that's your choice to make and the consequence is free to deal with, you know? Yeah. I do think Victoria probably has some great moments that, you know, America might get to see or not see. I don't know. But ultimately, we make the decisions we make when we do and say the things we do. And fortunately, she may not have realized what she does and says and how it comes off.

And I do hope she grows from this. But, yeah, I mean, you see and previews her and I don't exactly see I-I-I, and we'll just see how that goes going forward. I want to know, and this is something I brought up to Rachel this morning, is why did no one tell Victoria to change her bra? And like, I don't want to pick apart somebody's attire. I think like when you get into the pettiness of that, but like twice now, her black bra is showing throughout the dresses.

And like, was no one there to be like, honey, like here are some chicken colors you can stick on your boobs, like maybe push it. down a little bit. Where was wardrobe here? I mean, you guys saw how Marilyn, who's just so sweet, tried to speak to her on a very neutral ground, very sweet level. So you can only imagine what it would be like when someone was correcting her on her appearance or her wardrobe. So she have no friends. She had no friends. That's what I told Becca. She's no friends in the house. You know what I mean? Interesting though, it's because we do see her in moments and maybe no one else has really picked up on it, but like she'll go and like hug the other girls and like lean into

them. And so it's like I feel like she still, correct me if I'm wrong, Katie, but it seemed like she did still form some friendships with some of the women. Yeah, I mean, she definitely has her good and bad moments like we all do. Like I said, that date, the erotica date, she was hilarious. She was a superstar of that date. We all loved it and laughed and it kind of brought us all together for at least a moment of time. But yeah, I mean, there's only so much that can be shown. in the two hours and, you know, like I said, you can't edit someone to be a certain way because you said what you said. You did what you did. Yeah. So she has good moments when she's the center of attention. And that's basically what I just learned. When she's the center of

attention, she's the star, you know, everybody's laughing at with her. You know, it's something that she's done. It's a good day for her. When she's not getting the attention, we see how that, how that goes. Real quick, before we ask you the last question, I do want to say, because you brought up Marilyn, I'm not sure if you guys were aware in the moment that Victoria and Maryland had kind of had that beef. I don't know if you were privy to what we've now seen as viewers. When Matt sent Marilyn home, did that make you question Matt at that time? Were you like, how could you keep this one over this one? Well, two things went through my head.

One was, yeah, absolutely. Like, Marilyn is a sweetheart. And what I've seen in Victoria at that point, send her home. you know but also i don't see these private moments he's having with all these other women including victoria and i'm like is she just really good in her one-on-one time with matt what's happening you know like i see them kiss at the the wedding date and so i'm like is there actually a connection that i'm just like blind to right now and so it did have me a little nervous because not only with but everyone else and so it's like if victoria is still here what kind of connections is he building

with all these other women that i'm just like naive to and so that's probably a really hard part for me is, yeah, seeing Victoria's stay and wondering, you know, why. Did you see his face when he kissed her on that wedding date? In a moment, I was not watching, but Twitter, I have seen his face. And it's, you know, yeah, if you still, if you still currently have that episode recorded, I suggest you rewind and do it in slow-mo and see the look. You know, men are terrible at hiding how they feel. So it's very obvious to tell who they're into and who they're not.

They just don't have that gift that women have. I'm just saying. Not the best actor, if you will. Okay, Katie, one more question before we get into a game because we love our games. And this is something that we ask every guest that we have on. And for the viewers, obviously, we've only seen three episodes at this point. So up until this point in your experience, what has been your rose and what has been your thorn? Oh, the thorn would be just a drama.

I know that's such like a generic answer, but it's so early, and it does take so much away from you and the nights and the environment. So definitely just the drama, as vague as that is. The rose, I mean, you didn't get to see it, but Matt and I, we get to kiss and we have this moment, and, you know, we are building a connection up to this point. And it's exciting because this is the first time I've been able to, to just be fully myself, and he's been accepting of that, including, you know, my night one entrance.

And so for me, that's pretty exciting to feel like I'm, you know, on track, you know, given episode three and where I feel like I stand with, you know, Matt and I. How is he as a kisser? I think he's a great kisser, actually. I saw Abigail, like, not really respond. I'm like, I had a great kiss with him. She's more reserved. Did he kiss you with his eyes open?

Did he kiss you with his eyes open? my eyes were closed i wasn't paying attention so he goes he goes mouth and eyes open and i'm just like this is not okay this is i i i just i don't know how to reason it i mean i'm sure he i've heard now from multiple people that he that he kisses with his eyes open it's like that he does and he addressed it you know he's like he's like people are interrupting so many times like how do you really enjoy a kiss when you just feel like you just hear a rumble oh Girl, you do. You do.

You're talking to two leads. You do. You get used to it really quick. Yeah. And if you ever, we don't know how far you go. We don't know what happens. But if you ever get the opportunity to be the lead, believe me, your eyes will be closed. And you'll be in that time away.

You want to pretend no one's there. Yeah. Your give a shit level when you're the lead is just like whatever. We don't know how far you make it on this season or not. But when you are the lead, you know what it's like to be a contestant. And then you know what it's like to be a lead. and that's something that Matt doesn't have that experience. So you'll navigate it in a different way

because you'll have seen both sides of it. Yeah, you'll know what you're getting into. Katie, it has been so fun, and we can already tell that you are just a blast to us, and I'm sure you were with the other girls in the house. But with that being said, we always love to play our fun little games that reveal a little bit more about your housemates.

So since it's no secret that you're familiar with good vibrations, we're going to play a little game called vibe check. So we're going to ask you a series of fill in the blank questions and you just need to choose one of the women in the house who best fits that vibe. So you can say any women, you can say yourself, and just spur of the moment, whoever you think fits, okay? Okay. All right. So the first one, I'll kick it off, Rage. If Mad's season were the Oscars, Blank would win best actress.

Victoria. I'm convinced she really is an actress. Okay. So that next, if you answer Victoria on all these. I get it. You guys, she's going to listen to this now and think that she's going to have her career in acting. She's going to get into Hollywood. She might.

She might. Who knows? She'll be on another reality TV show. Number two. There is a zombie apocalypse and nimmie colon. Blank is most likely to survive. Bree comes to mind right away. I don't know, I don't have a specific reason, but Bree.

Okay. All right. Vogue is choosing one of Matt's girls for their most stylish issue and Blank will be featured. Kit. Yeah, I see that. Without a doubt. She was my roommate and our styles are very opposite. Did she wait?

Did she offer like, hey, you know, Katie, do you want to wear this? Or maybe you should try this or maybe did you all, did she do that? I think twice she called me a soccer mom. Oh my God, I can only imagine what she would call. me if she was ever in the same room. I like Kit. So I like this pairing with the two of you together. Did you guys get a pick?

Did you get a pick or did the team choose for you? We just had a roommate and Kit was my roommate. Okay. Yeah. Gotcha. The river at Nimacolon is flooded with tears. Blank is the culprit. It's like me or Rachel, honestly.

You? Really? Yeah. we've seen you cry once we've seen you cry once I was taking it back but I was like okay that's fine I cry we all cry we all cry when you're thrown into this weird position where there's a lack of sleep you can't always eat at your normal times you can't have your phones I get it I went into the season being like I'm not going to cry and I think I cracked week two I was like damn it it's happening yeah you get it okay if all of Matt's girls were cupcakes blank would be the sweetest

Maggie I like Maggie I love Maggie yeah she was one of our favorites since the beginning went through the cast bioes all right the fantasy suites opened up a few weeks early and blank

is the first one ready to attack Rachel really she's very outgoing I know we haven't seen it well we know she was she was being dragged down by somebody in the The Hunger Games capture the heart date, right?

She had the eye on the prize. I mean, I like it because this is why I like interviewing you guys because I would have never pegged her. She's either, you know, like sad about not getting time or crying. We did see her personality in the erotica date more. But yeah, okay, that's interesting. I like that. All right, next, there's a Survivor-themed date on the season.

The girls are kicking blank off the island. Kit. Oh, whoa. Just put a roommate out there like that, right? I mean, kid's a city girl. Like when it comes to survival, I just, I think she'd be a burden more than a help, honestly. The sun is out in mimic colon. You can count on blank to bring the shade.

Oh. Victoria. Is she? She's just mean to me. She's not shady people are funny. She's just mean. okay chris harrison is to drama as blink is to comedy oh i mean actually i will say chelsea chelsea's a funny girl i'm gonna say chelsea okay were you almost gonna say yourself i was but that's okay

but chelsea entertained a lot okay i want to see more on chelsea instagram is looking for its next big influencer blank fits the bill now you've already you've already given up on one. So you got to, you got to. No, this one's easy. Well, it's tied between two, but I'm going to go with Sarah. Who left? She, if you've seen her Instagram, she needs to write a book on how to be an Instagram influencer. Oh my God, maybe she can teach me what to do with my hands in a photo. She's amazing. Like, she's like an A plus Instagram. Like if I had to grade anyone's, versus an A plus. And she left early. You know, most people who have, that big, the dream of being the next big

influencer, I want to make it as far as they can for the followers. Kudos to her. Seems like she really left because she really needed to go. So good for her. Yeah. Okay. Last but not least in this game called Good Vibes. Badger in Paradise is looking for its next

vixen and Blank has her bikini packed. Alana. Who's Alana? The reason we have a slight pause, I need to understand is because we don't know who they. I'm looking at a chart. Every time you say a name, I pull up the chart.

I got to pull one up too. I am now, she hasn't, she hasn't, we haven't seen a lot of her on, on the screen. Oh, yeah. But I just want to explain the pauses in the podcast. We're trying to rack our brain with who this person is. We just sure we'll get to know them more. Is she the blonde? No, no, no, no.

She has some commentary episode two. She just, she's a beautiful girl and would do great. on Paradise. You know what I think screws me up is because when this episode that we just saw happened last night started, we only saw Maryland leave. So now I don't know who actually left

and who's still here. That's why. So true because you know who I thought left was Anna and I was shocked when I saw her on the group day. I was like, wait a minute. No, no, no. She left. But maybe that was Ileana. I'm not quite sure. So

Eliana and Alana both left. No, no, Anna's still there. No, Amma still there. So is Alana. Oh, wait. Amna's spaghetti girl. Alana's lady in the tramp.

She left and Ileana left. Okay. Theonnas, not Anna. Potato. Potato. She's ready. She's ready. Okay.

Alana, okay. All right. Well, that was the end of our, of our, question game Katie it's been so fun to talk to you I mean I I I kind of want you to come back and I want to talk again because like I feel like it's too early for us to be talking to you like I want to see more from you and then I want to talk to you again we just like you a lot we're big fans of you on the show yeah we are we are huge fans of Katie um actually I want to ask this one last question before we actually get you I know we always say this one more one more

so and Rachel touched on this in the trailer for next week we obviously see it well apparently five new girls come in and so if you had to fill in the blank for what it's going to look like give us three words

for the rest of the season when these new women walk into nemo colon tears and drama I mean it's so cliche that's that's it That's what happens.

It sounds like The Bachelor. It sounds like it's going to keep. I'll admit, last week's episode was boring. This week was great. And it sounds like next week it's really taking off. So I'm excited. Do we dare say this might. Well, I think last season kind of topped it.

But could this be one of the most traumatic seasons of The Bachelor ever? You know, it's been a while. And I think having lived it, I think it could be. Katie, it has been an absolute pleasure having you on. And as Rachel said, we would love to have you back one day's, you know, pending. If you make it far, if you don't, who knows. I hope to God, regardless, we see more of you. So thank you for joining us at Bachelor Happy Hour today.

Thank you. It's fun, you guys. And thank you for just being you. You know, it's not trying to be anything else, like just going in, taking the experience for what it is, and like just figuring it out as you go, you know? just being yourself and yeah but really you know i think the one way to be successful in this season is just to be open and to whatever comes your way friendship love opportunity it just it doesn't matter so i'm excited to see you the rest of the season thanks ladies i appreciate your name

okay i'm a huge katy fan always was i feel like we're a good judge of character here on bachelor happy hour and katy did not disappoint But that's what I'm saying. I'm kind of bummed. We got her so early because I feel like she's going to go far. We just don't know how far because she's kind of given us all at this point. She's funny. She's smart.

She's one of the older, and I'm using that in quotes, women in the house. Now we've seen another side of her in the conversation with Sarah. We've seen the vulnerable side of her. We've gotten to know a little bit about her family and what she's gone through in certain life experiences. And I'm like, gosh, she's like the whole package. package to me. Plus, and I meant to tell her this, she's freaking Christina Shulman. Oh, I meant to tell her that. Well, she obviously knows because she said she's well-versed in Bachelor, but she was just like Christina did when Christina was on

next season. She, I like her, I mean, I liked her since the premiere night. I mean, I thought she was hilarious with the vibrator, but she seems like she has so many facets. And she's probably one of the only contestants so far. And yes, we've only seen three episodes, but one of the only contestants that we've seen so many sides to. You know, usually we see like a Victoria where it's just like this villain edit, if you will, or like the queen and some of the other girls who have, you know, like we're seeing so much of her story. And the fact, though, is that she's still so down to earth and still knows who she is

and owns it and doesn't change to appease Matt. She doesn't change to appease the women or for the TV show. I just really like what we see is what we got with her today. And then some. Yeah, no, absolutely. Katie is the real deal. And, you know, we tried to like poke around a bit with Katie about the trailer that we saw at the end, the sneak peek for the next episode. Becca, these producers know what they're doing.

I mean, we say it all the time. There's a reason the show is still on in 2021. Next week looks so good. This is what we've been waiting for. We've known that there are more women. We've known that there's an alleged escort. Now we're going to get to meet these. I'm so excited.

And how about the one girl? The one girl who's like, well, I guess they save the best of the last. I said, oh, my God. Victoria versus her. That's what I need to see. I just, I, like, I try to put myself in that position. Like, if I was one of these remaining girls who have already been here for a few weeks, how would I feel?

And obviously we saw it happen. last season when Tasha came in and we had a new crop of guys come out of the limo. That made sense to me because we had a new bachelor, you had to give her this proper entrance, this proper moment, if you will, to like really initiate somebody into being the lead. And here I'm like, what the hell is happening? Matt's already been the lead for a few weeks. And it makes me think, like, is this, no,

is this going to be the standard from here and out? Is every season going to have this new flock of people come in? after three or four weeks. And I don't think my heart can handle it. This is a pandemic thing, right? I would hope so. I think maybe the fact that they can't travel, they can't, you know,

like they're really trying to make do with what they can at one resort, which, and they're doing an incredible job. I will give the show that. But yeah, there needs to be something to spice it up. But man, if I was one of those remaining girls that's already been there,

I would have lost my mind. You would have found me by the meatballs. I'd have been like, I'm done. I'm just going to eat. I'm going to hang out whenever I have to go. I'll go home. You know, like it's just... You would have been with Sarah, up in the room.

You would have been by yourself, up in a room, staring out of window. Look, just staring. No, because that's all we saw her. I would have been with the donkeys. I would have been running the farm with the donkeys or something. What's interesting is we don't know a lot about Matt, right? And I got a lot of people, and I'm sure you did too,

who wrote me saying that thank you so much for the podcast that you had last week with Matt because we feel like we're getting to know a lot more of him because you don't really see it on the show. I mean, you're seeing the personality of the women. We don't really see a lot for Matt, and that's because we haven't seen him from prior season. So the only thing we can gather for Matt is how we've seen him behave in other episodes. And the way he sent home, Marilyn, who seems to be a sweetheart, play by the rules, a straight-laced girl, but keeping a Victoria, who he said on our podcast. He found so funny when we were like trying to dig for the humor. He found her funny. He liked her. It lets me know that with this new group of women, the one who said,

oh, he saved the best for last, that's Matt's type. Matt likes a girl who pushes the bounds. You know what I mean? Who pushed the boundaries. Well, and don't forget, remember last week when we had him on, we asked him who was the best kisser and he mentioned it's one of the girls that has yet to show up. Ooh, y'all, we are in for a treat. And I'm ready. I cannot wait. I'm ready with the popcorn.

Rachel come over. We will have popcorn. We'll have some bordeaux. We'll get a little loose. Like next week is going to be one. A good one. Yes, it is. You guys, thank you so much for tuning in to this episode.

And we are all in for a treat next week and thereafter. We can't like to see what's ahead this season. And while we have no idea what's going to. to play out. We do know that we are going to bring you the best guest and the best teasers. So you have to keep tuning into Bachelor Happy Hour because that is an exclusive that you can only find on our show. All right, guys, we have grocery store Joe on here to tell us what we can expect to hear on ClickBate this week. Thanks, Becca. We have a great new episode of ClickBade out right now. We talked to one of reality TVs, OGs, Anisa, from MTV's The Challenge.

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