Bachelor Happy Hour - The Final Lemon Bars Dispute | Happy Hour

Episode Date: October 31, 2025

Today on “Happy Hour,” Joe and Serena are recapping “The Women Tell All”! Between lemon bar gate, influencer drama, and closure with Mel, there’s lots for us to dive into... today! We get their thoughts on Nicolle’s drama: Is she a trailblazer? Were her feelings for Mel genuine? We also touch on Debbie’s surprising confrontation, Alexandra’s shocking bit, and so much more. Plus, we dissect the teaser for next week’s episode and we have predictions! Tune in now and be sure to subscribe so you never miss an episode. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:02:43 And we are back to recap. The Woman Tell All. There you go. That's what I was looking for. That's what I was searching for. Yes. Yes. And what an episode it was, huh? I liked that they had new furniture.
Starting point is 00:02:58 That was the first thing I noticed. They had new chairs that were all the women were sitting in. And when we filmed Artelaw, we were in chairs that looked cool but felt terrible to sit in for eight hours while we were recording. And they were in these like cozy plush purple chairs last night. And they had like a new couch and everything. So that excited me. I didn't notice that. You never noticed the furniture.
Starting point is 00:03:19 It's like the third time I feel like. I've brought up furniture. And that's, that's interesting because I am someone that would notice the furniture. Yeah, because I'm very furniture alert.
Starting point is 00:03:30 You are. You're very into interior design. Yeah. But yeah, that's what I noticed in the opener. What did you think of the episode? Oh, it was fine.
Starting point is 00:03:39 Yeah. I don't think there was anything. Like, I think they started off pretty hot. Debbie came for Nicole. That, which always makes for some interesting TV. But that got you.
Starting point is 00:03:51 shut down pretty quickly um and then there really wasn't it was it was more i just felt like it was we were watching just everyone like hey we we actually love mel like he's great and mel's a great guy yeah i think the best tell-alls are the ones where there's a lot of drama in the season and then there's also drama after the season like things online or things that happen like post-filming that can come to the surface and be talked about or if the lead does like some crazy things that the girls or the guys get to watch back and kind of address you need you need a bunch of bunch of contestants to want to clear their name yes at the tell all yeah they need to go in there like fuck or ruin someone else's name yeah but
Starting point is 00:04:42 there has to be yeah there has to be more of that yeah because even when the lead i don't want kumbaya even when the lead like messes up sometimes it's just like okay now we're all just bashing the lead but when it's like when there's chaos amongst the cast and then there's also chaos with the lead then you have a lot then you have a lot to talk about but let's kick this off from the beginning which we kind of get right into it we get right into it we introduce all the women your favorites are back um the first thing that happened that kind of threw me off was the weird vibrator bit yeah and then how about how she's like anyone want to try it's like uh yeah it's like we don't need to share that you can keep that to yourself yeah um and i thought
Starting point is 00:05:31 like you know she did she did a cute job of like trying to deliver it like obviously it's a joke it's all meant to be a joke it just felt like it really came out of nowhere like it'd be different if she had made a comment or or if she was the vibrator woman on the show for example like katie thursday Katie Thurston came out of the limo on her season of The Bachelor as a contestant with a vibrator. Okay, yeah. So if she came to the tell-all and then like made a joke about like, oh, yeah, like my hips had been so sore from like the cheerleading date. But like I've got my like handy dandy massager to like help me. Like that's funny because it like ties in.
Starting point is 00:06:08 Yeah. I don't know if I like missed something if she made a joke or like something happened on the show that I missed. But it just felt like it literally came completely out of nowhere. Yeah. It would be like if I, it would be like if I showed up. at the tell-all with like handcuffs. Yeah. And you started making like a sex joke.
Starting point is 00:06:22 I'd be like, what? Like, grocery store Joe? Yeah, like that makes no sense. Totally. It just, I couldn't make it make sense in my mind. And like that's not a knock to her. But like it was just so random. I like couldn't wrap my head around why it was happening.
Starting point is 00:06:37 Yeah. Anyway, we then dive into, you know, everyone had a great time. They all love each other. They're all best friends. And we move into kind of the real reason why we're here, which is to talk about the Nicole drama. That's really the only drama that happened to this entire season.
Starting point is 00:06:53 She came in strong too. What did she say? She had a line of... I wrote it down. She said that her and Mal had this kind of like palpable chemistry, which I agree. Like we saw that. They did have great chemistry.
Starting point is 00:07:05 That they, you know, when they were making out, everyone fell away. But then she felt like she was the trailblazer of the group. That's what it was. And that she kind of was the first of the pack to step out and kiss Mal and she is like starting the trend I guess of that and then because she did everyone else felt more comfortable I really wanted when you when you refer to yourself as a trail blazer yes you are saying what exactly you're saying like I blazed the trail like no one else
Starting point is 00:07:39 felt comfortable I took charge and I did it and then everyone else followed in my footsteps That's what I assume, yes. Yeah, like she's a leader, essentially. I wanted Jesse to be like show of hands who feels like Nicole was a trailblazer. Because I feel like the only person calling herself that is her. And I would be very curious to know if the women agreed with her or not about that statement. Because some of the women might be like, you know what, truthfully, I didn't feel comfortable doing that. And I saw Nicole do it.
Starting point is 00:08:07 And it did make me feel it's giving like the way Nicole's delivering it is like I saw Regina George. wear crop top and cargo pants so I wore crop top and cargo pants you know what I mean like that is how Nicole is describing it like she's the regina george yeah she's the trendsetter and I'd be really curious if the women agreed or disagreed because it's like is she delusional or is she right well she she clearly believes that but nobody I don't think anyone really interjected and said like you weren't totally but no one interjected and said you were yeah but if yeah but I feel like if they were going to jump in it it should have been like for them staying quiet, I think they kind of think she was.
Starting point is 00:08:47 I don't know because then a lot of them I feel like later on were saying that the reason that they all felt so comfortable to kiss Mal and like take charge was because what Kathy and Susan said to them on the sleepover date. How about we pan the Kathy and Susan when they mentioned that Nicole said the women of last season weren't as good looking? I know. I was so satisfied by that because I've constantly been thinking about Kathy and Susan's reaction to that comment.
Starting point is 00:09:13 So the fact that they were in the audience while they were addressing it, I kind of wish they like brought them up. Like bring Kathy and Susan into the hot seat. Like let's talk about it. But I think a lot of, I think, like make Nicole say it to their face. I think a lot of the women still had Nicole's back in a sense that they, regardless of all the crazy shit she did on the show, she clearly still liked Mel. Like I don't think you could take that away from her. I think a lot of people are kind of like, oh, you have whatever you were. there to be like an influencer um but the truth is i think if mel would have picked her at the end
Starting point is 00:09:50 i could still see them being together i agree i think that she she doesn't strike me as someone that's going to like go after a guy that she doesn't think is attractive and a fit for her yeah like i do think that they had chemistry and i do think that they liked each other i think that was genuine um we get into the lemon bar situation the women kind of say that nicole was the baker of the group she was the head chef but she had so many people help her make those lemon bars that she should have like shouted out the other women um which i thought was funny because i do feel like it looked like Nicole literally didn't do anything and like took all the credit but it sounds like she did kind of like spearhead the charge with the lemon bars sure i mean the fact that
Starting point is 00:10:32 this is the the the drama of the season was like who cooked the fucking who who baked the lemon bars also like I can't remember the last time I had a lemon bar but I really enjoy lemon bars I know and when I was at the time at the time that I had a lemon bar
Starting point is 00:10:51 I didn't really enjoy them I was just more like I only like chocolate for dessert right but like now I feel like my taste buds have changed throughout the years and I feel like I would really enjoy like a really well done lemon bar
Starting point is 00:11:05 okay well I bought stuff to make pumpkin cookies today but if it doesn't work out between you and I you can go for Nicole and get her lemon bars. I mean, gee, that was aggressive. But okay. After the level of our thing, Debbie kind of pops off on Nicole. She basically says you did not empower us.
Starting point is 00:11:21 You dismissed us. And if you want to be an influencer, you're not going to be if nobody likes you. Which I was like, whoa, that's cutthroat, Debbie. But I kind of liked it. You know, I'm not, I just for the drama, just for the entertainment, just for the television purpose. Like, it was, it was nice to see someone kind of. say like, hey, like, we were friends and everything you said really hurt and disappointed me. And I think that Nicole's apology was genuine.
Starting point is 00:11:47 Yeah, I think it was genuine. I think, I think it's all, I like, I don't have an issue with her calling her out and doing that because she clearly did hurt her. Well, yeah, and it's like, we watched the show and all these women have stuff to say like about Nicole. Like Robin is literally going to Mel saying like she's not here for the right reasons. But then no one has shit to say to Nicole when we're all. sitting at the tell-all like someone speak up like i know you all have a problem with her i know at least a few of you do like robin like you got nothing to say now like you'd a lot to say to mel on camera like someone say something yeah don't you think yeah i think a lot of them could have also like
Starting point is 00:12:24 made up after the show and they are older so they're much more mature so i i could see a lot of that just not carrying over like i could see robin her could have definitely had a conversation and cleared it up and then it's then it's squashed yeah because we're we're grownups at this point we're not gonna we're not gonna do that I know I know I guess like as a human I'm happy for them and I obviously don't want to see Nicole get demolished by a group of women and I'm happy that they're friends and if they made up I think that's fantastic as a viewer I'm just looking for a little more zest on my screen I know tell you're you're you're coming in hot on this podcast I know I know Well, Carol basically said I think that's enough roasting and put it to bed.
Starting point is 00:13:09 Yeah. So I think it ended on a positive note. You know, I think everyone's going to be friends, which is great. I think the only, I think like the, honestly, I think the one thing that the women could bitch to Nicole about where I think Nicole was like, oh, that's, that's, that's your, you're saying a lot with doing that was at the end when she said, like, it's not going to work out with who you pick. so just so you know because you're you're essentially saying like this is all like bullshit and like it's me and the rest of them it's just not going to work yeah I think that Nicole was just like shamelessly shooting her shot I was like I still think I'm the best person in this room for you yeah and I think that you're wrong but good for her I mean if anyone has a right to be upset about that
Starting point is 00:13:56 it's whoever he ends up with yeah because she was obviously speaking about the three or four women that were still there, which is, I think, what Debbie was kind of so heard about. In the heat of battle, your squad relies on you. Don't let them down. Unlock Elite Gaming Tech at Lenovo.com. Dominate every match with next level speed, seamless streaming, and performance that won't quit. Push your gameplay beyond performance with Intel Core Ultra processors. For the next era of gaming. Upgrade to smooth, high-quality streaming with Intel Wi-Fi 6E and maximize game performance with enhanced overclock. Win the tech search. Power up at Lenovo.com.
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Starting point is 00:18:55 we see jerry talking about her experience on the mile high club i like jerry i'm glad we got to see more of her and we talked about kathy and susan giving advice to the women anything anything anything there i mean yeah i like jerry i thought that that was a fun story um kathy and susan giving advice i mean i hope kathy's listening to this but neither of them won their season so so i don't know you know no i'm joking um but yeah i thought it was i thought i was nice i mean like here like exactly like after the debby nicole drama like we don't really have much no because even none of the breakups were that crazy oh but let's talk about some of the hot seats yeah we had
Starting point is 00:19:48 Cheryl Yeah who I think the highlight of that hot seat was the fact that her son Tyson and her grandkids were in the audience
Starting point is 00:19:57 Yeah her grandkids were cute thought that was super sweet obviously a big part of her story that she shared on the show
Starting point is 00:20:03 was her experience with her son and her son's father and you know her love for her son really like shine through she
Starting point is 00:20:14 she was heartbroken about Mel. Yeah. I know. She was. She really probably thought she was going to win. Maybe.
Starting point is 00:20:27 I mean, she had like the first one-on-one date. Yeah. They had a lot of time to progress their relationship. So, but I think she's going to be fine. I really feel like someone's going to snatch her up. I mean, she's so beautiful and she does motocross and that's badass. And I just feel optimistic for her. I think she would do great on Paradise, assuming that, assuming we're going to have this conversation,
Starting point is 00:20:47 assuming that Paradise is going to be the same way it was this season, where it's... Golden's and regulars. Yep. I think she would do really well. Her and Debbie, I would think, would do really well. I could also see if they do another Golden Batch the Rett, one of those two being the Golden Bachelorette.
Starting point is 00:21:07 I think so too. I mean, the only two hot seats we had were Cheryl and Debbie. Yeah. Which I was surprised about. I thought that Nicole and I thought that Carol would get hot seats. Yeah. Because I feel like Carol leaving We saw a lot of Carol when she was on the show
Starting point is 00:21:22 Yeah, we saw a lot of her She was like a big Person on the show I was gonna say character But that just didn't feel right Well, she was a big person on the show Yeah, her story was a big part of the show And she was the only person
Starting point is 00:21:36 That sent herself home during the season Which was interesting to me Because I feel like we saw a lot of the relationship Even if she didn't get a hot seat I'm surprised Jesse didn't at least like ask her a question about sending yourself home totally um and then Nicole I'm surprised didn't get a hot seat for obvious reasons I mean she had a lot of controversy around her but I would say she also had a really strong connection with Mel we saw a lot of their relationship too
Starting point is 00:22:01 Nicole also vocalized how she felt like we like Nicole's hot seat we would we've heard 90% of what she's going to say right because she was so open on the show and they like showed a lot Yeah, it's just even at the beginning of the show. She's like, I was the trailblazer. Like, I think I stepped up. I think Mel really liked me. I think I did a lot of things and the women followed and that's how I feel. Yeah, that's true.
Starting point is 00:22:25 Yeah. So she's, it. We've covered her story. Yeah. She basically had, she made her own hot seat. Yeah. We have Debbie's hot seat. She was very emotional.
Starting point is 00:22:36 And she kind of talks about just her experience having never been married, how the girls let her be the beach bride. and that was really impactful for her on the photo shoot date. I just think, yeah, I think Cheryl or Debbie could be the next golden bachelorette. Do we think, in your opinion, do you think Debbie's going to get married? Ever? Ever. I'm going to say yes, because I'm an optimist.
Starting point is 00:23:03 And because I think that she really wants to and she's beautiful. And I think that this experience opens you up to a whole new network of people. yeah and I think she's now allowed herself to be vulnerable which not saying she wasn't before but I think that's just going to help even more I think so too because I feel like she got close with Mel and it probably made her feel like oh wow I do like I'm realizing how much I want this um and it sounds like you know it's been something that's been a desire but more on the back burner for her in life with her career and everything and maybe now she'll push forward to finding her person I mean I think she's the if they do a golden bachelorette i just feel like she's the perfect candidate like she's she has a different story than anyone prior um it's really going to be like this never been kissed never been married storyline which i think they could run with um i think a lot of guys they never been kissed you mean the drew barry more movie yeah i just feel like they'll play well yeah because with claire crawley didn't they play into the graduate yeah yeah yeah so i could see that
Starting point is 00:24:12 I think a lot of guys would love to be on her season. So, yeah, I would, like, if I were to place a bet, I would say she is going to be the next Golden Bachelor. I think so, too. But I also thought she was going to win. Yeah, you did. You actually really strongly felt that Debbie was going to win this whole season. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:24:32 You were like, it's her for sure. From night one, I think you said. Oh, yeah. I was like, he's going to pick her. I just thought she was going to win. I don't know what it was exactly if I was like, she she's going to win and i am wrong i actually thought it was um she asked mel did the fact that i didn't have children and had never been married play a role at all
Starting point is 00:24:54 he's like i didn't even think about but i was like good question like that's something i would be curious about as well he's like that didn't even cross my mind he's like what you've never been married no way that never crossed no mel came out mel look good he was good he you know what this was the best i've seen mel Mel is very confident. And I think that's in, you know, I think confidence is, is an attractive quality, obviously.
Starting point is 00:25:23 And I think that a lot of the women see that from him. And that's why I think they all, like, most of the women there, like besides Carol, who sent herself home, I feel like they were all like, yeah, like I would have ended up with Mel. Totally. I would have been really happy with Mel. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:25:38 No, they liked him a lot. Oh, yeah. they still do like you don't have any like there's not one woman that was talking shit about him no no it's which is rare especially with the male leaves there's typically at least one or two that are like eh I could have done with a different guy like like one of the most like bachelors we've seen yeah but it's for now you know no I think it's no a couple of the women always come out of the woodwork being like I never liked him I don't think so really I don't think so because even everyone we've interviewed like they've all talked highly of mel and usually when we start
Starting point is 00:26:15 these interviews you you get you get some contestants that are like throwing shade to an extent yeah you know that's true yeah um i thought his intro was solid too i feel like coming off of the hometown's date where i felt like he really struggled to open up and articulate himself to in some of the conversations, I feel like he came out with a lot of confidence and just a lot more to say than I was expecting in the best way, you know? I think they should have showed, so like we see a clip of the roast, right? We see more of the roast. They show the roast with Jared Freed.
Starting point is 00:26:56 And you see Mel's reaction to Jared that we didn't see on the show. When he was like laughing, he was like, I'm scared of you. I'm scared right now. I was like, that's hilarious. Why the fuck are we not seeing that? That was, like, the most personality I've seen from Hall Sears. I'm like, why aren't you showing this? That's what I'm saying.
Starting point is 00:27:11 There's, there's, I feel like there's just much more to Mel that we just didn't really get to see. Like, because just that clip, there was so much more personality and then we were able, then we saw on that fucking date when we watched it. Yeah. So like, between the clips of him on the roast date and him sitting in the hot seat, I was like, are we getting shown like a completely different person? Like after the season? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:27:36 Like, I'm like, are you? guys cutting out all the good stuff? Yeah. Because I feel like he has way more personality and way more to say than what I've been seeing in every other episode of the season. Oh, I couldn't agree more. Like I thought he looked good. I thought he like had a little more swag than I've seen him with. Maybe he was just more comfortable. I mean like he's now coming back after filming the show to film the tell all. And I feel like there's definitely more of a relaxed energy from him because he's like familiar and he's done this before yeah but i i don't know i i think there's a little bit of that but i also just think they could have with the edit shown a little bit more of meld yeah definitely
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Starting point is 00:31:52 Lee and free his friend. And if you're with me, you're golden. I'll take care of you. I'll take care of you. I'm going to be with you. You stuck with me for life. Listen to the Crying Wolf podcast, starting on October 22nd, on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. In the new podcast, Hell in Heaven, two young Americans move to the Costa Rican jungle to start over. But one will end up dead, the other tried for murder. Not once, people. went wild. Not twice. Stunned. But three times. John and Ann Bender are rich and attractive and they're devoted to each other. They create a nature reserve and build a spectacular circular home high on the top of a hill. But little by little, their dream starts to crumble
Starting point is 00:32:50 and our couple retreat from reality. They lose it. They actually lose it. They sort of went nuts. Until one night, everything spins out of control. Listen to Hell in Heaven on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Who do we think, who do we think he's going to pick? See, like, I've been really, like, I've been really, like, like Cindy this whole time. I've been like, it's Cindy, it's Cindy, it's Cindy. Well, you've been like, it's Debbie, it's Debbie. But I have a weird feeling. I can't remember what it was in the
Starting point is 00:33:36 episode. Something happened where I was like, I think it might be Peg. I can't remember why I said that. Do you? I don't remember why, but when you said it, I agreed with you and I still agree with you. I think it's Peg. Yeah. I think it's, I think everyone. This is like the first season so long that like I haven't even gotten a whiff of a spoiler. Like I literally have no idea what happens every single week. I think everyone, including Pegg, was thinking it was going to be Cindy. You think? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:34:06 And I think it ends up being packed. But I, you know, who knows? I don't know. Yeah. I don't know. I think, but I actually don't think he can go wrong. Like some seasons I'm like, you should definitely pick this person. Like they're a way better fit for you.
Starting point is 00:34:20 But I actually think he could pick either woman and they would be a great fit for him for different reasons. Yeah. I think whoever he picks. Yeah. I think they're going to end up going all the way. Maybe. Okay, so let's do this, right?
Starting point is 00:34:33 If there is a Bachelor in Paradise and Golden's our ass back, give me the three women that were there tonight that you want to see on the beach, only three. Nicole? Yep. Debbie, Cheryl. Oh, but I love Carol so much, too. Well, you didn't pick her. Damn.
Starting point is 00:34:56 Sorry, Carol. Yeah. Damn. What about you? I'm going to take Carol. Okay. I'm going to take Nicole. Mm-hmm.
Starting point is 00:35:03 And then I'm going to go with, I'm going to go with Jerry. I like the fact that she's like, you know, I was, I was in the house the whole time reading Bible scriptures, but like I've been in the mile high club. Yeah, I love her. So I like that. So that would be my three. but we're going to have, I would say, probably at least seven of them. Yeah, I think so. It was a good cast.
Starting point is 00:35:32 Like, they could pick quite a few of them easily. Yeah. Last couple things with Mel, he said, you know, he has a moment with Cheryl talking about the fact that she's brave, and I thought that was really sweet. I thought he was, like, really comforting with her there. It was the most comforting I've seen him, actually, with Cheryl. And then Nicole got really emotional. you think he's like the most stoic individual of all time i don't necessarily think i i don't necessarily
Starting point is 00:36:00 think that's who he is but i think that's how he comes across this season okay don't you i yeah but i don't think that's who he is no like i'm i'm happy to see these sides of him i don't think we've been given footage of him acting this way even though i'm sure it exists yeah and that's been hard because you want to connect with the lead you want to root for the lead and i feel I feel like I'm not getting a lot of different sides of him until, honestly, women to all. And I feel like I've gotten a lot of different sides of him this episode. I really, I strongly believe this that you should not be the lead of this show unless you have been a
Starting point is 00:36:40 contestant. Been a contestant or like Taylor, Frankie Paul, for instance. Right. Television experience. Reality TV. Yeah. A couple of years, she'll be fine. She'll be fine.
Starting point is 00:36:49 But I do think you need a little bit of that. I do. You just, you need a little bit of that. experience because it's just a difference yeah it's because it's just not easy to be yourself in front of fucking cameras and like 10 people when you're just thrown in to be the lead of the show yeah but one thing about mel that like and i remembered this when we saw the clip of him and jared freed is he is a fan of the show like he legit watches the show like he's not a guy yeah he said that to us he watches the show he listens to jared freed like
Starting point is 00:37:24 He actually, like, those are the things that I feel like we were missing. Does he watch the show? Yeah, he said that. That he's a fan of the show? Yeah, he said that. He told us that. I thought he said, like, a few years ago he used to watch it. No, he's watched seasons of the show.
Starting point is 00:37:39 Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. What do you think about Jared being in the audience? Yeah, it makes sense. Great. Yeah. I thought it was fine. I thought the roast date was like kind of maybe their strongest group date of the season. Could have did without the lemon bar joke, but.
Starting point is 00:37:53 The lemon bar joke really threw me off. off when he was like, I got a lemon more baking my pants for these ladies. And I think it threw the ladies off too. Honestly, I mean, I laughed. I was like, whoa, Jared. I laughed. Took a risk with that one. I laughed. It was funny. Um, but yeah, I thought it was fun to see him back in the audience. I think Jared's
Starting point is 00:38:09 very entertaining and like really gets the show. He also, he also want, it's, it's fun watching somebody that wants to be there. Like, he wants to be part of it. It's not like he's just like, oh, collecting a paycheck. Like he wants to do it. It's fun. He enjoys it. Yeah, and they had a lot of, like, extra footage from that date that usually I'm like, okay, I don't need to see this unseen footage, but I actually was down for the unseen footage from that date because I felt like there's a lot of funny parts. Like when he was helping Robin and he was like reading off jokes and she was just like deadpanning him the whole time.
Starting point is 00:38:38 It's like this is like talking to my mother. Yeah, it's so funny. Very funny. We will actually have Monica B, who in our opinion and Jared's opinion was one of the stars of the roast day on this week for an interview. And we will also have Amy. We're going to do a little splitsy episode. so we'll be chatting with both of them if you want to tune into that what did you think about the teaser for the rest of the season we only have two episodes left we have fantasy sweets and then we have the finale remind me of the teaser basically they're going to Antigua yes it's Pegg Cindy and Mel and it seems like Pegg and Cindy are both like kind of trying to pull a little bit more out of Mel we see Cindy say something along the lines of I kind of want my guy to feel like he's been struck by lightning and can't live without me which same love that from her and then peg says like i don't have another
Starting point is 00:39:29 five to seven years to waste on like a nothing relationship like basically both of them saying like i want to feel like you feel like i am your fucking girl and you're going to live the rest of your life with me yeah interesting i mean who knows maybe maybe he picks no one that would be wild it's possible it is possible it's always possible i think he's going to pick someone yeah well we'll see I'm looking forward to watching it. Yeah. Okay. Thank you, everyone, for tuning in.
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Starting point is 00:40:34 Lenovo. On the latest episode of Next Question with me, Katie Couric, I sat down with Bernie Sanders. We've talked many times over the years, and today he even throws a few questions my way. Are you ready for another question? Go ahead. Hit me, Bernie.
Starting point is 00:40:55 We talk about the billionaire class, the cost of living, and of course, the government shut down. Listen to next question with me, Katie Couric on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hello, America's sweetheart Johnny Knoxville here. I want to tell you about my new true crime podcast, Crimeless, Hillbilly Heist, from Smartless Media, Campside Media and Big Money Players. It's a wild tell about a gang of high-functioning nitwits who somehow pulled off America's third largest cash heist. Kind of like Robin Hood, except for the part where he steals from rich and gives to the poor. I'm not that generous. It's a damn near inspiring true story for anyone out there who's ever shot for the moon, then just totally muffed up the landing.
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Starting point is 00:42:15 Well, Dakota, luckily it's I'm not afraid of a scary story week on the OK Storytime podcast. So we'll find out soon. This person writes, been blasting music every day and doing dirt rituals. And now my ceiling is collapsing. I try to report them, but things keep getting weirder. I think they might be part of a cult. Hold up. A real life cult?
Starting point is 00:42:35 And what is a dirt ritual? No clue, Dakota. To find out how it ends. Listen to the OK Storytime podcast on the Iheart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Chicago. A white woman's murder. A black man behind bars. For a crime he didn't commit.
Starting point is 00:42:53 be used for killing somebody I have never seen. The Crying Wolf Podcast is the story of a corrupt detective, two men bound by injustice, and the quest for redemption, no matter the price. Listen to the Crying Wolf Podcasts on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This is an IHeart podcast.

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