Bachelor Happy Hour - The Golden ‘Tell All’ and Rose Ceremony Chaos

Episode Date: November 10, 2023

After last night’s “Golden Bachelor”/“Bachelor in Paradise” double-header, there is SO much to discuss!   The first ever “Golden Bachelor: Women Tell All” was truly an episode not to be missed. Joe and Serena are heavily in their feels as they discuss moments like Joan’s hot seat, Ellen’s surprise visit from Roberta’s daughter, and, of course, Faith and Gerry’s emotional reunion. Plus, OMG, the bloopers. Then in “Paradise,” chaos has officially taken over. Joe and Serena share their thoughts on Olivia and Kat’s confrontation, where they think Aaron B. and Eliza’s relationship is headed, a Rose Ceremony that left them with more questions than answers, and so much more.   Follow now so you never miss an episode.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly, and now I'm seriously suspicious. Wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, luckily, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend's been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone.

Now, hold up. Isn't that against school policy? That seems inappropriate. Maybe find out how it ends by listening to the OK Storytime podcast and the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hi, it's Jemma's Begg, host of the Psychology of Your 20s. This September at the Psychology of Your 20s, we're breaking down the very interesting ways psychology applies to real life, like why we crave external validation. I find it so interesting that we are so quick to believe others' judgments of us and not our own judgment of ourselves.

So according to this study, not being liked actually creates similar pain levels as real life physical pain. To learn more about the psychology of everyday life and, of course, your 20s, this September, listen to The Psychology of Your 20s on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. On the latest episode of Next Question with me, Katie Couric, I sat down with Jasmine Crockett, Democratic Representative of Texas. She's holding out the fork for her party in one of the most conservative states in the union. I think that ultimately, who will become the Democratic nominee for president, will be someone that has been out there and has shown that they won't allow themselves to be punched and just say thank you.

Like, they will punch back. Listen to next question with me, Katie Couric on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, everyone. Welcome back to Bachelor Happy Hour. I'm Joe. And I'm Serena. And we are back to recap, Women's Hell All, Bachelor in Paradise. And then we have, we do a live interview with all the women from Women Tell All.

It was a lot of fun. We have Ellen. We have Sandra. Help me out. Who else? We have Faith. Faith. We have Natasha.

We have a lot. There's a lot of the women from Golden Bachelor. Joan. Joan. Yeah, we hear from Joan. Great interview with her. And Susan. And Susan.

It was a lot of fun. We got to watch the Women Tala All taping live via Zoom and then do interviews with all these women and Gary. We can't forget the Bachelor himself came on and it was like a little speed dating round. If you listen to our podcast during charity season, we did a similar-esque style interview for her men tell all and they're a ton of fun. And then later in the week, we also will have Sam P from Bachelor in Paradise. And Bachelor in Paradise, Canada.

I know. I actually don't know. Where in Canada she's from. We'll find out. So I'm excited to find out. I should actually see if we have any mutual friends if she's from Toronto. It's not that big. Yeah, we'll see.

I bet you guys know at least one person. I know. I should actually check. I'll go on our Instagram and check our mutuals. But it's been a big week for Paradise and Golden. It's also been a big week for Joe. He ran the marathon. I did run the New York Marathon.

It was a very, it was an accomplishment. It was a huge accomplishment. Joe's having trouble giving himself a pat on the back, which is so rare. So it's actually shocking. It is rare. Yeah. No, I ran the New York Marathon.

I didn't train a lot for it. I'm looking forward to doing it again next year. Yeah. I wanted to break four hours. I broke four hours. So I was proud of myself about that. I ran it with Zach Clark. He helped me out a lot.

And, yeah, it was just... Who else from Bachelor was there? It was you, Zach Clark and Matt James, right? Yeah, that was it. I think that was it. And, yeah, crossing the finish line was like a feeling I've never had. And, yeah, I loved it. I loved it.

I'm hooked on marathon running now. So I also want to run Chicago next year, so we'll see. And I want him to run Ottawa in the spring because a lot of my friends are running Ottawa, so that could be fun. Well, I'm not going to do three next year. And if I do Chicago and New York, I don't know if I want to do Ottawa as well. Okay.

Maybe we'll just go to visit then. I will not be running a marathon in case anyone was wondering. I will, at most, do a half marathon. If I would ever do a marathon, I could maybe get myself up to a half. I'll do a half with you. I had two, I had knee surgery, and I've had two severe knee injuries. Last thing I want to do is pound the pavement for 26, 22 miles. But so proud of you.

You did amazing. And congratulations to the rest of our Bachelor and Bachelor Nation family who run the marathon this weekend in New York. and we also got to give a very quick shout out to Tia who got married this weekend. Yes, we were at the welcome party. It was a lot of fun. It was a karaoke welcome party.

It was really fun. Like, they threw a great party. She actually has friends and family that could really sing. Oh, yeah. Some of them had great voices. Like the first guy was like belting it out to Creed and he actually sounded exactly like the lead singer. I'm like, who is?

Like, this guy is amazing. But that's what you get when you go to Nashville. Oh, yeah. I feel like everywhere you turn, there's like someone with an amazing voice. I mean, we were walking past, you know, we got there early. We got there at like 7.30 a.m. and we were walking past bars and like 9 a.m. There's like live music going on and you hear it and like, you're like, wow, this person could definitely be on the radio. Yeah, I know. It's crazy. Many talented people.

And we have the pleasure of hanging out with Adam and Raven. Yeah. So big Bachelor Nation weekend. All right. Should we get into it? Yes, let's do it. Golden Recap. All right.

Let's start with Golden Bachelor, Woman Tell All. So the first thing I noted was, I feel like whenever they introduce all the ladies or all the guys at these tell walls, you get the classic like smile or like maybe a little wave. I feel like all the women were going ham on their intros. Like they were calling their name. They were like blowing kisses. They were waving their arms. Especially April. April loves.

April stood up. April loves the spotlight. Oh, yeah. She doesn't shy away from attention. We had Matt James's mom there. Patty made an appearance. It was great to see her again. She went home super early on the season.

So she looked great. And I feel like the beginning was kind of just lots of pleasantries, catching up. Jesse Palmer's like easing them in to what's to come. And the first kind of piece of drama we see go down or part of the recap was the Kathy drama with Teresa, which was really like the only drama of the whole season. It was the only a drama and they addressed it at the front of the show. And I think she's basically just like, you know, I liked this. She's just like, I could have, I could have handled the situation better, you know, a little softer.

I was probably too aggressive. I could have zipped it as well. Yeah, that was, that was a good way to put it. She was like, I could have been more delicate. We both could have zipped it. I like that you kind of stood her ground, but also said like she could have done things differently. And she just said, like, I truly only wish everyone the best. I think Teresa knows that too.

It is hard addressing the drama. The tell us when... The other person isn't there. Exactly. And, yeah, Teresa wasn't there. So I feel like what Kathy said was perfect. You can't expect her to say or do more. And she didn't try to put any of the blame on Teresa.

Yeah. And I guess if Teresa was there, it would have probably been a lengthier conversation. But if I had the guess, I would say they're probably both good with each other. Yeah. I think so too. It didn't seem like anything super serious and I'm sure they both moved on. The next little piece of drama we get into is the guacamole versus meatball debate. I laughed when Susan said I've been eating meatballs for 66 years, I think. And he said 36 years. No, 66. 60s? Yeah. Or maybe it was 63. But whatever, whatever the case was, it was in the 60s. But I was just like, that's going to be a meme.

That's going to be a clip for sure. Yeah, no, I agree. That was so funny. And then it was Eith's like, it's not my guacamole. And Susan's like, it's not my meatballs. But it's definitely the guacamole. Well, Susan's like, yeah, it's the guacamole. She's like, I was eating it for breakfast, lunch, and dinner.

Well, then, yeah, if you ate the meatballs for breakfast, lunch, and dinner, it'd be the meatballs too. Like, if you're, you're just chowing down on raw onions and garlic all day. Like, there's going to be some issues. Yeah. But I honestly could not have expected this much bathroom humor in any episode. I feel like between Paradise with Sam and now the Meatball Gwock debate, we're really venturing into new territory. Oh, yeah.

I guess, yeah, I forgot about the Sam. And they do mention in this episode, we'll break that down in the Paradise recap, but she did, oh, we'll just do it here. Sam did go to the bathroom. I know, which I was like, thanks for the update. But I wanted, like, more. I was like, did you have to have, like, that surgery that they were time about? I should go to the hospital?

Like, I guess that's really not in my business. I actually don't know if I want to know that. I'll let her keep that private. But so the theme kind of feels like it's like really hope. Jesse Palmer says like that's a big word they used to describe this season. The women are kind of just this representation of their generation and how they still have so much life to live and they still want to find love. Yeah. Yeah, I think what should we first is Joan, right?

Joan gets the first hot seat. Yeah, but you're missing something super important. What? Chris Jenner. Oh, Chris Jenner, yeah. Yeah, okay. Joe, don't be trying to move this interview along. You're right.

You're right. I was waiting for that. Okay, yeah, Chris Jenner. So there's Chris Jenner, cameo, and she does a little quick call out to Susan. You see how happy Susan is. I know. Susan's so happy. Yeah, and it's literally her idol.

She's like, I really wanted lunch. But that is pretty, yeah, when she comes on the podcast, We do talk to Susan about it. And I think she's like, I'm glad we got the video, but I want more. I still want lunch. But I feel like that is kind of a big deal. Like the Kardashians are huge. Chris Jenner's huge to have her like send in a video and talk about how much she loves the show.

Like that's got to be so exciting for the women sitting there being like, oh my gosh. Yeah. And she called them all an inspiration and her family's chairing for them. So yeah. How helps Chris Jenner? I don't know. Like 60 something. Probably in her 60s.

Man, maybe if she's single at any point, she could be the next golden bachelorette. That'd be unreal. Chris Jenner age, let's see. 68. Wow, she's 68? Yeah. That's crazy. Okay, moving on to the first hot seat, we have Joan.

And Joan opens up about why she left the show. Her daughter had a really serious case of postpartum depression, and she just... her and her husband were doing the best they could to get her help and they just, they needed support. Yeah. I feel like Joan articulated herself very well during her hot seat. She was a very well spoken in her hot seat. I really enjoyed listening to her.

If there's a golden bachelorette, I would say Joan is high on the list for it. Definitely. I would actually, especially after her hot seat, would really like to see her as the golden bachelorette. And I don't know. Like for me, I think. I think she would still be there I think so too I really do I think Gary really liked her

and I think that was the beginning but like and Jesse asked her that he said do you think you would have you'd potentially still be there if this didn't happen she was like I think we had a really great chance and she said that she like held out hope

for him for a little while yeah like waiting for him to maybe just knock on her door which like is fair I feel like that's like a relatable thing of like maybe he'll come back around maybe he's still thinking about me I thought there was a chance that she came back in the season.

You know what I mean? Like I thought there was a chance she goes home, helps her daughter, everything gets settled, and she like comes back to try to rejoin. Yeah, I feel like I thought that too. Yeah, I kind of thought that too. Yeah. I don't know. I don't think, I think her getting a hot seat is a pretty good sign that she's at least up for consideration to be the Golden Bachelorette.

I think so too. and she talked a lot about just like having Gary like feeling seen and she actually said something I don't think it got shown but she talked about like how like she's at the point of her life where like she's still taking care of her kids like she'll always be a mom and she's also taken care of her mom and just like needing to do something selfish and like take care of herself and like find her person and I also think the key is there's probably a bunch of 60 to 70 year old men that would go crazy over Jones. definitely definitely you know that's that's what you need all right next hot seat we've got Ellen Ellen yeah we love Ellen love Ellen um I mean honestly after I watch this I was like man this show touching when we were watching this live I was bawling my eyes out I got was so emotional it was honestly and the second time we watched it again like live oh my God but she basically just said she saw like an amazing life with him she felt like a princess but she like can't wait to start like living her life now which is amazing and super inspirational and then she talks about her friend Roberta which is obviously the part that is emotional yeah and that she came home she was in a semi-coma state and she was just fighting to hold on to the premiere and Ellen basically said like it's okay we'll watch it from different places and for just beautiful if anyone doesn't if anyone doesn't know Roberta is Alan was Ellen's best friend and she was the one that like basically pushed her to go on the show she's a big bachelor fan

um and she ended up passing away from cancer but you know it's just a really sad and touching story and then Roberta's daughter was in the crowd yeah so they brought out Roberta's daughter she's there to support her I couldn't even look at the screen no it's like I'm gonna tear up the part that really got me like the part that took me from like crying to like ugly sobbing was when her daughter said thank you for showing us what true friendship looks like oh my god I'm gonna get choked up again

it was literally just like she's standing there she did such a good job of just being like thank you for being there for my family for my mom for everyone and it was just seeing like

her like I can't imagine standing there seeing your best friend's daughter and the connection that they feel to one another after what they went through it was just a really beautiful moment like we've never seen anything

like that on that show super emotional and you know my heart goes out to Ellen and Roberta's family but very touching very touching and very um very nice of them to share that vulnerability with the audience because I can imagine that anyone that's lost someone or lost a best friend that was very touching for them to to share with her yeah my boyfriend's professor is way too friendly and now I'm seriously suspicious well wait a minute Sam Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now, he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone. Now, hold up.

Isn't that against school policy? That sounds totally inappropriate. Well, according to this person, this is her boyfriend's former professor and they're the same age. And it's even more likely that they're cheating. He insists there's nothing between them. I mean, do you believe him? Well, he's certainly trying to get this person to believe him because he now wants them both to meet. So, do we find out if this person's boyfriend really cheated with his professor or not?

To hear the explosive finale, listen to the OK Storytime podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. I'm Dr. Scott Barry Kaufman, host of the psychology podcast. Here's a clip from an upcoming conversation about exploring human potential. I was going to schools to try to teach kids these skills, and I get eye rolling from teachers or I get students who would be like it's easier to punch someone in the face when you think about emotion regulation like you're not going to choose an adaptive strategy which is more effortful to use unless you think there's a good outcome as a result of it if it's going to be beneficial to you because it's easy to say like like go you go blank yourself right it's easy it's easy to just

drink the extra beer it's easy to ignore to suppress seeing a colleague who's bothering you and just like walk the other way avoidance is easier ignoring is easier denial is easier drinking is easier, yelling, screaming is easy. Complex problem solving, meditating, you know, takes effort. Listen to the psychology podcast on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. So in the last month, the Midas Touch Network beat Rogan, Tucker Carlson, Candice Owens, Charlie Kirk, and Ben Shapiro all combined. Conservative podcasts can have a major political impact, but the Myceles Brothers, three siblings with a serious media strategy

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Enteres Gary, the Golden Bachelor himself. This was actually, in my opinion, the funniest clip I've seen of Gary when he's like haven't had a heart attack yet but oh my God it was so funny you were cracking up just like how are he's like well haven't had a heart attack yet so doing good no that was so funny I was not expecting that from him at all because it was dry it was a very funny line he's like I forgot how he said how he phrased it but the way he delivered it was hilarious he's like but we're on the right trajectory or something yeah very very funny. And yeah, it was basically just like a big love fest. Like Gary loves the women. The women

love Gary. Nothing we haven't seen before at a tell all. Joan and Gary share a little moment that she's, you know, working to find her person now. And Ellen, you know, thanks Gary for improving her confidence, her self-esteem. Sounds like this journey was like there was a lot of growth for Ellen in terms of her self-confidence and what she sees in herself and what she feels like she deserves has changed a lot. Yeah, and Ellen just strikes me. She's also like a very vibrant and she is a very positive

person, which definitely works in her favor. Mm-hmm. Yeah. So then the big moment of the episode. Yep. The rose ceremony. I actually couldn't believe they left us on a cliffhanger for this

rose ceremony and I'm so glad that they wrapped it at the tell all. I thought it was great. The fact that you couldn't believe that is more shocking. me because I guess I could believe it but I was just mad about it like I don't that's such like that's probably the biggest row ceremony of the season yeah and I think a lot of people were expecting Teresa to go home because he had said I love you to faith in front of her family he had said I love you to Leslie and he didn't say it to Teresa if anything he had kind of like a weird

response when he was asked about it he was like I don't know guess we'll see so i think a lot of people were feeling like teresa was going to go home yeah i wasn't as shocked because i did feel like when he was sitting around with the family and he said it to faith i feel like he felt pressured and that's why he did it and that's why i was in shock i think he was in love with faith though in a way i think he was but i don't i think you don't think it came like organically I don't think it came organically, and I think he probably left that date, and when he was debating on who to send home, may have looked back at that moment and thought, had to really think, like, is that truly how I felt in the moment, or did I, you know, get caught up? Yeah. You know what?

I want to know that I feel like hasn't been addressed that much, or we just haven't seen very much, is how much. people's, like, location and willingness to move and lifestyle is playing a role into Gary's decision making. Like, is he going to move? Is he willing to move? Is he looking for someone else that's willing to move? Because, like, Faith lives in a super rural. Well, she also lives across the country. The country. So, like, I don't know. I'm just, I'm curious about that. I would like to ask Gary about that. Yeah. But Faith is super emotional watching. at she's like bawling her eyes out then they bring out gary and then they're both bawling their eyes out i mean yeah it's it's intense like super heavy lots of tension and faith too like she's opened

up now about like really never like almost like not believing in love like never like falling in love it was yeah it was rough it was hard i really like you really felt for her and you could see like his genuine reaction of just like he just felt so bad yeah and he said like I felt bad because I I misled your family and and I like to have faith is like no one holds a grudge against you like yeah he really that was definitely really weighing on him the fact that he's like I promised your family that I would protect your heart and I didn't but she like gives him forgiveness for that which that was really kind it was also it's they're just very they're she know she's very mature that's that's a nice thing about this show

is most of pretty much all the women and Gary are all pretty emotionally mature so like they do get it like I think Faith like as sad as she was also put herself in Gary's shoes and realize like it is it's that he's a hard he's in a hard spot yeah no there was a lot of understanding

I feel like the biggest thing for them especially with like how emotional they were was when she got sent home she was in shock and he seemed like he was kind of in shock about the whole thing too and she described like it was like getting sent home by a stranger like you weren't even there like we weren't even connected and I couldn't believe that it happened so I think this was really like the closure for them that they were both looking for and she was able to say like you know I fell in love with you I felt very safe with you um so yeah there was a lot of like tough moments but also

they were very complimentary of each other as well and like a lot of respect for the relationship that was had. I just love faith. I just do. I love her. And I'm so sad. I'm so sad to see her go. I really am. We'll stay tuned because we will have faith on and you'll hear her response because we ask a little more how she feels about how everything went down with her and Gary. And we'll talk to Gary

about it as well. We do. And then closing out the episode we got bloopers. We're shocked that there was bloopers too? I was not shocked that there was bloopers Joe and I don't appreciate that insults. Yeah, the bloopers. I think that the number one thing that stuck out in the bloopers

and we'll stick out for everyone. Sandra? Yeah. Yeah. Poor thing. Sandra's fart lasted a long, long time.

It really did. Of all the ways you could have described that blooper, that's what you went with, eh? Well, I mean, that's, I feel like that's what's

going to resonate with all everyone watching. Yeah, thanks for the play-by-play. It was so long. And I think she even says, I'll give a little teaser to her interview. I believe she tells us that it goes on for much longer. I think, yeah. I think they like cut it or didn't start from the beginning.

It was like too long for the whole blue for real. Poor Sandra. It's probably all that ice cream that she ate during the Never Have I Ever game. Yeah. Wow. It's rough. That is rough. All right.

That wraps golden. That wraps golden. Now on to Paradise. A little bit of a strange, a little bit of a strange episode. Yeah, not some really good points in this episode, but overall, I felt like there were some loose ends that weren't tied up or just, I was left with some questions still on things that were cliffhangers in last week's episode that didn't really give full closure in this week's. Yeah, so. But we have Sam P. coming on this week. So I think that she's going to be able to answer a lot of our questions.

Yeah, we could ask her because I have questions. I have a lot of questions. Yeah, just felt like a lot was going on and I wasn't getting full clarity on every situation. Yeah. So, well, I guess should we start at the beginning? Yeah, let's get into it. Okay. I think that the beginning really is like Aaron B.

Eliza Charity. Aaron B ends up talking to Charity. I think he feels good after that conversation. Yeah, Charity gives some great advice to Eliza, great advice to Aaron B. I think a crucial piece of information. information was that this girl reached out to charity, Charity's friends, charity's family, family, not Aaron B, and it just kind of, that behavior, in my opinion, just credits her a little bit.

I agree. The one thing I took away from all this, because you guys all, if you're listening, most likely watched, I don't know what I can't read Eliza. I don't know if she's the, it almost seems like. Like, it almost seems like she's not that into him. I can't read her either. Right. And I, if I were to do my best guess, I don't think she's that into Aaron B.

That's what it seems like. It seems like he's more into her in this episode than she's into him. Yeah. And it's almost like now she's like. Or it feels like like something else has happened in their relationship. Like it's been rockier than what we've seen. Like the way she's acting, it's like he says he like, I don't know. It's just weird.

Like he says he's committed to her. right he's like i'm really committed to you i'm in i'm all in on you and she's kind of like i'm unsure and i'm like what do you mean you're unsure like is it just this is it something else i yeah i don't know i don't know it's why can't i can't like i said i don't know i can't get a read on her it doesn't seem like she's that into him it seems like when everything lines up in her favor or everything lines up for like the relationship to work it seems like that's when she takes a step back yeah i feel like that's kind of what she did last season too like when everything's going smoothly she kind of yeah it takes a step back yeah I don't know I like I don't know what's going to happen there um I noted I personally

think the only strong couple now at this point is Kylie and Avin like the only strong couple like I don't think there's anyone else even close um no the only people that would be close would be Aaron B and Eliza. But after that conversation and her not being sure she wants to fully commit to him, I'm like, well, what does that mean? Do you want to explore your options? Do you not know if you're that into him? And we talked about last episode when she said, well, one of them said, like, well, we haven't

talked all day. Well, what the fuck have you been doing? Yeah, where have you been? All we did, I hung out with you all day every day. For the most part. Obviously, like, I'd come down. You'd be having breakfast with James and Aaron. I'd get my smoothie.

We'd hang out. Then maybe I'd go swim with Abigail. Then we'd hang out. like at no point where we in the same vicinity but not speaking for the whole day yeah and then okay so then basically i would say i'm making this a note to talk to sam p when she comes on about this yeah we'll do the next big thing really um and kind of bleeds into the entire episode um because olivia ends up staying but it's it's the triangle between olivia john henry and Cat.

This is really the biggest love triangle, probably of the season. I mean, listen. Because it's really gone on for a while. Like, how do we feel about this? Like, I personally, actually, this is the first time I've seen chemistry between John Henry and Kat in the hot tub. Yeah. You're jumping ahead a little bit, but yeah. I know.

I'm just saying, well, let's just break down their whole situation at once right now instead of like. oh my god you don't want to go chronologically no is that going to throw you off i have i mean like like i'm a chronological girl like i don't even tell a story about my day out of order okay all right so my boyfriend's professor is way too friendly and now i'm seriously suspicious oh wait a minute sam maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit well dakota it's back to school week on the okay story time podcast so we'll find out soon This person writes, my boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her.

Now, he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone. Now, hold up. Isn't that against school policy? That sounds totally inappropriate. Well, according to this person, this is her boyfriend's former professor, and they're the same age. And it's even more likely that they're cheating. He insists there's nothing between them. I mean, do you believe him?

Well, he's certainly trying to get this person to believe him because he now wants them both to meet. So, do we find out if this person's boyfriend, really cheated with his professor or not. To hear the explosive finale, listen to the OK Storytime podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. I'm Dr. Scott Barry Kaufman, host of the Psychology Podcast. Here's a clip from an upcoming conversation about exploring human potential. I was going to schools to try to teach kids these skills, and I get eye rolling from teachers

or I get students who would be like, it's easier to punch someone in the face. When you think about emotion regulation, like you're not going to choose. an adaptive strategy which is more effortful to use unless you think there's a good outcome as a result of it if it's going to be beneficial to you because it's easy to say like like go you go blank yourself right it's easy it's easy to just drink the extra beer it's easy to ignore to suppress seeing a colleague who's bothering you and just like walk the other way avoidance is easier ignoring is easier denial is easier drinking is easier yelling screaming is easy complex problem solving, meditating, you know, takes effort.

Listen to the psychology podcast on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. So in the last month, the Midas Touch Network beat Rogan, Tucker Carlson, Candice Owens, Charlie Kirk, and Ben Shapiro all combined. Conservative podcasts can have a major political impact. But the Myceles brothers, three siblings with a serious media strategy, are building an alternative to that. On the latest episode of Next Question with Katie Couric, I sat down with the brothers behind the Midas Touch Network to talk about how they built a progressive media powerhouse

from the ground up, why audience interaction is the key to political influence and what it takes to fight disinformation at scale, one download at a time. We should be focusing on the issues and actually occupy a lot of the mental space in Americans' minds, but are filled with conspiracies, and we should fill it with the truth and solutions.

Listen to next question with me, Katie Couric on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Okay, so John Henry and Cat. Okay, I want to make a note about this situation quickly. So John Henry pulls Cat, okay? He says, let's go over there and talk. They're talking in the water.

Olivia, Tanner, Peter and who else was it? Eliza, I think. Yeah. Are like talking straight shit about Kat. How dare she. This is so rude right in front of us. I wanted to literally like shake them and be like, guys, it was John Henry.

It wasn't even Kat. Well, that's my biggest, I feel like that's my biggest complaint with the way Olivia is handling all this. And it's just like she's giving John Henry no credit for being a grown up and making his own decisions. and it's just straight up like this is all going down John Henry because Cat is manipulating the situation and manipulating you and you're a sucker

because I... And you need to be protected from her evil ass like it's not what's happening. No, it's like John Henry is a grown-ass fucking man making his own decisions and if anything, he's talking to Cat too. He's clearly enjoying spending time with her. He's pulling her aside too.

Yeah. He is also some, she's definitely the aggressor, that's the wrong word, but she's more actively pursuing him, but he's still participating. Listen, it takes two to tango and he's, he's doing just as much. So for, and I just, I don't know, I feel like that is, I feel like that's Olivia kind of trying to protect herself from getting hurt. Yeah. She doesn't want to like put it on John Henry because like she likes John Henry. Yeah. She has feelings for him. Where she doesn't like cats, so it's easier to blame her. Yeah, it's easier to blame cat and she has feelings for john henry and now she's realizing those feelings

might not be reciprocated and instead of you know that's a hard pill to swallow so it's easier to just blame cat and then her and cat have a conversation which again i i i mean i don't agree with the way i think it olivia i don't have any issue with her calling cat out and having the conversation but it's just like you call her out you have the conversation but then you won't hear her out you put your hand in her face and you walk away yeah in my opinion if you want to call someone out you have to be willing to at least listen to their response yeah like you can't go over there cat stood and she listened to what she had to say and then when cat started to speak back olivie didn't like what she was hearing and she walked away and it's kind of like look if you want her to hear you out like you can't it can't just be

one side. It can't be like, hey, I'm here to just, like, tell you what I think and leave. Yeah. And I feel like that's not how a conversation works. Yeah. I don't know. I feel like Olivia is struggling because she's, she's just, she's hurt. Yeah. Look, I feel for Olivia too. Like, I do. At the end of the day, she clearly actually, like, genuinely cares about this guy. She's excited about the relationship. She's like, she's committed to it. She wants it to go somewhere. And he's now flip-flopping to someone else and this girl is someone that she doesn't even really like like that sucks it sucks she's hurt like i can't you can't blame the girl for being her but i think she's lashing out a little bit at cat because she's her yeah yeah and i think i think it's easy to lash out at cap because i think

there's a lot of people that talk a lot of shit about her and basically our painting cat to be like the worst person on the beach yeah so i think that's just the easy play yeah um okay so then we just let's just go to the cocktail party you know the big thing is becca leaves so then it kind of leaves brayden to where uh where is his rose going to go we don't like we're left on the fact that we don't really even know if bradden and rachel had another conversation clearly they they didn't um so that's strange we never touch on the fact that jess and tyler made out yeah i thought you were going to totally skip over that because we're now at the roast ceremony. No, I'm like, just

you know, again, I'm going out of chronological order. I know, sorry. I'm just going to lead into that situation today. Yeah, but Blake and Jess are kind of back on. No, I have serious questions about this and I'm definitely asking Sam P about it because I'm hoping she has the answers. We are left

on a cliffhanger last week. Jess is making out with Tyler. Mercedes nowhere to be found. Blake on a date with Jen, they're making out too. He seems super into her. We come back this week. Tyler's back with Mercedes. Don't know what happened there.

Don't know if she knows about the kiss. Don't know like if what happened with if Tyler and Jess decided they weren't compatible. Jen, I don't think knows what's going on. Blake and Jess have a combo. They're super into each other and back together. But like I don't really feel it from Jess still. It sucks.

Honestly, it sucks when you're somebody like Genevieve who goes on a date and the date goes well. And then you basically are like, no. at the, you know, because once it's at the cocktail party, it's, like, kind of like too late. And then Blake goes back with Jess, and then she's, there's really not much she could do. And she probably all day has been, like, thinking maybe, like, I don't know if he said something on the date, but she's probably thinking like, oh, yeah, like, there's a good chance I get his rose. I just went on a great date with him.

And then all of a sudden, it's like, nope. And then Davia and Tanner, don't, no idea what happened there. Tanner has a strong relationship with cat, leaves cat for Davia. It seems like they have a great date. They hit it off. And yet now Tanner is going to give his rose to Rachel and him and Davia don't even like have a conversation. I'm so confused. Like I think they had a conversation.

I think it went well. It did. They made out. He was like it was the most passionate makeup of my life. Very confusing. So confusing. Honestly like Brayden was saying that cat was homie hopping. We definitely got Tanner homie hopping now.

Like he's all over the beach. I just need to know what happened with him and Davia. like I'm so confused I'm very very confused he's like playing Bachelor of Paradise like he's talking to Jen he's talking to Davy he's talking to Rachel well that's what even when they said like

he's he's the Bachelor in Paradise right now I'm like what happened yeah what happened to Davia I thought that went well like that was I don't know that was very another one like I said don't really understand it okay so then the biggest thing at the rose ceremony though

is Braden ends up giving his rose to Olivia so Olivia stays. So now that drama continues on to the next morning. John Henry calls out Olivia and basically says, I feel bad and I'm sorry the way I handled it. I thought he was really like caring and respectful in that conversation. And he seemed pretty genuine.

She's like, no, he did seem genuine. Yeah, no. He actually felt bad. I think he did. And Olivia's response was, oh, this is you wanting to clear your conscience, which I don't know I think that's kind of I think that's a bullshy I don't agree with that response because it's like here he is apologizing you mean I mean so at the end of the day she just doesn't accept his apology I mean she ends up complimenting him and just saying that he's like a stand

up guy and then kind of like shits on cat and says that's her whole thing is he's a good guy but you're just a it's basically like you're a good guy but you're getting manipulated by this evil woman you can't think for yourself yeah and I think it really comes down to the fact that he just has better chemistry and a better connection. Like I agree with what you said earlier. Like their conversation in the hot tub where John Henry's saying like he's excited

and he's interested and like they that like there was a lot of chemistry between them. Yeah. And I think Olivia really everything that she's done this episode just boils down to the fact that she liked John Henry and she's really hurt. Yeah. And she's trying to protect herself and her feelings.

And I feel like Olivia also went from a situation where she allowed herself to get hurt right at the jump. With Will? with will and then took it slow with john henry and then gets hurt again yeah um so it's like a rough situation but i yeah i don't know so then michael a from charity season comes down michael a yeah is it michael a thought it was just michael might just be michael michael is from a different season yeah okay just michael comes down from charity season um i remember him because he's from chicago um he talks to a live

and then he grabs two girls that basically both have boyfriends and... Kylie and Mercedes. Also, shout out to Mercedes. Her hair looks insane in this whole episode.

I actually, I complimented and asked her by her when we first interviewed her and I need to ask her again now. She looks so good. Like 10 a 10 job. Nice job, Mercedes. And then she also grabbed Sam P

so we're basically left on a cliffhanger. Olivia really wants the date. Everybody on the beach really wants Olivia to go on the date. so we hope Olivia does get this date because it would be nice if she did get a happy ending I also feel like she's the only person that's like not locked down on the beach right now yeah and I feel like she has like a lot of like I don't agree with the way she's handling a lot of this but at the end of the day she's been through a lot on the beach so it would be nice

if she got a connection and they both I think it would just make it easier for everyone like John Henry and Kat seem like really locked in on each other actually at this point. Like there's a lot of clips of them like cuddling and eating breakfast together. And I think it will be easier for both of them and for Olivia if she is paired up with someone that she really likes as well. I was actually shocked because I actually thought Bradet was just going to leave and not give his rose. See, I thought he was going to give it to Rachel, but then Tanner gave it to Rachel. That's another thing. We don't really know what's going on with Braden and Rachel.

The, okay. So we will, we will end this recap on saying, confused about Tyler, Jess, Blake, Genevieve. Confused about Tanner, Rachel, Braden situation. I wish we had more answers to what went down there. Okay. I think that that wraps the recap. And I feel like we are good to go. Thank you everyone for listening. Make sure you stay tuned this week. We have Sampion. We are going to ask her all these questions. Maybe she could fill in some of the gaps for us. She seems to be one of the go-to narrators on the show. Yeah, she's doing a lot. She's really like making TV out there.

Like she did the truth or dear thing. She's got the good interview. She's asking the good questions. So it'll be a good chat. Yep. And then we have the women from Golden Bachelor. You won't want to miss that. And make sure you subscribe.

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