Bachelor Happy Hour - The Jenn-tlemen Tell All!

Episode Date: August 28, 2024

Today on Happy Hour we are LIVE from the Men Tell All! We are sitting down with Spencer, Jeremy, Jenn, Hakeem, Aaron, Jonathon, and Sam N. to discuss their thoughts post-Tell All! We're getting into all the drama, our first tickets to Paradise, and so much more. Plus, what are Jenn's thoughts on everything that went down?! Tune in now to hear all this and more and be sure to subscribe so you never miss an episode! See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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That's what I'm calling it. Our speed dating interview style episode. There you go. I like that. That was good. Thank you. And our first guest today is Spencer. Spencer, welcome to Bachelor Happy Hour. How are you? I'm doing better now. Fantastic to see y'all. You're glowing. Oh, thank you. Love that. How was, how was tonight? How was being back, seeing all the guys for the first time in a while, I'm assuming. It's crazy because you go into this experience and it's this whirlwind and then you just go back to real life and then it's like, okay, I guess I'm just back to my day to day and then it airs.

Things change and we come back here and we have an opportunity to kind of like relive it again. So it was back into the frying band quickly. Where do you live? Dallas, Dallas, Texas. Any of the guys from your season live close to you or no? we have a couple of Houston guys we have actually Grand Devon both in Houston outside of that I think we're the only Texas guys right okay okay did you see at either

of those guys before coming back here I did not but um I do have a best friend of mine that was on a few seasons ago that I've known since college and got to spend a lot of time with him so who is it yeah Connor Sayley oh yeah okay he was uh he was on he was on Hannah Brown season, correct? I think so. Correct. Yeah. Okay. Nice. Nice. All right. So let's get right into you get looped into the drama pretty quickly, which neither of us were expected. No. Let's kick it off with Aaron. I would say that's the kind of shocker of the night for you, I'm assuming. Of Aaron called out, you know, when he said to Jen before he left, there's some people here. I feel like aren't here for the right reasons. He admitted to referring to Devin and to Sam N, who I think, you know, didn't really

surprise anyone. That's kind of what we thought. But he did say after watching it back, he felt like you weren't there for the right reasons either and that you maybe weren't, or that's not true. I don't, I want to be correct here. He said that he didn't feel like you were ready for the commitment after watching the way you spoke about your ex and how uncomfortable that made you. Were you expecting him to say this? Did you know he might be? have these feelings? Not at all. First off, I don't know anyone who would think

that was comfortable subject matter to share on national television. I mean, the extent of what I shared, the only person that knew that up until that point was my mother. So sharing that, nerve-wracking. Yeah, absolutely. But I'm four years removed from it

and there's no emotions there anymore. When you get distance in space from something, it allows you to see it a little more clarity and I've had four years of distance and I've seen it for what it was when you're in the middle of something it's tough to see things for what they actually are yeah but it's shocking to say the least I mean you know sometimes guys say something to get airtime and maybe someone wants to be on the beach but who knows I also think there's something to be said for

like having to speak on a topic that you haven't probably spoken about in depth from start to finish in a very long time and you might just be kind of like finding your footing as you're revisiting this time in your life that was so long ago? Absolutely. I actually never spoke about it in its entirety once. People had gotten bits and pieces. It wasn't easy for me. It was frankly pretty embarrassing. I didn't want to bring it up to my closest friends and family that, yeah, my ex-fiance two months before the wedding leaves and cheats on me and it's not it's not fun it's uh you know not not a fun thing that's off so yeah no i wasn't comfortable talking about it um thank god that jens the woman she is

and she was there and coaxed me through it gave me the time the space the platform to be able to share something they've been weighing on me and something that i hadn't been able to sharing its entirety. But for it to come up for as a reason for me not being ready for an engagement or ready for marriage is the most ludicrous thing that we heard all night tonight. We're some pretty, pretty out there things, I would say. Speaking of out there things, I do want to ask you as well, another thing that tied back to you, we saw a lot of guys forgiving, or at least giving Sam M a lot of grace tonight when he was in the hot seat. And you came in a little bit on the stronger side asking him, or not asking him, but maybe making a statement

that you feel like he used the term competition a lot. Do you want to kind of expand on what you meant there and maybe tell us where you feel you stand with Sam out right now? Yeah. So Sam along with other men, there were other men in the house that used the word competition a lot. And when pertaining to love, I don't think describing what we were in the middle of as a competition is accurate. I think that you can compete to win a sports game. I think that you can

compete to try to get a promotion at your job. I don't think you can compete for love because at the end of the day, it's a two-way street. You can want someone to love you as much as as much as you want to. It doesn't mean they're going to love

you. You can't make someone love you. You can compete to be able to get more time to show them the person you are. You can compete to be able to relate to them important facts about yourself that may sway how they feel. But at the end of the day, it's not a competition in my eyes. I think a lot of guys get pulled into that competition, especially when there's all these other handsome guys going for the same woman. And I also told them that words carry weight. And I think he knows that. And I think some of those words were used to try to win as a competition.

And I think he owned up to that to an extent tonight. And that takes, I have to credit where credits do, because getting up there, knowing what he was walking into, that couldn't have been easy. But no, I think he, along with everyone else, deserves to be held accountable for their actions and what they say. And yeah.

You implied Aaron maybe, wanting a ticket to Paradise. If they asked you to go to Paradise, would you do it? The last bucket in my life that I want to fill is a relationship and Paradise works for a lot of people.

I'm single and the opportunity comes around. I'm not opposed to meeting my person on a beach. It's obviously worked out for some people. You know, so yeah, I would absolutely be open to it for sure. And what would you do?

How would you be with Aaron if he was there? Are you guys on bad terms at this point now? Or did you hash it out a little bit after? Hashed it out a little bit. We're also very different people. I think if someone's for that, they're not looking for me. And I'm okay with that. Great.

Great. Amazing. Well, thank you. Thanks for taking the time. Yeah, thank you so much. Enjoy your night. Thank you. I appreciate y'all.

Enjoy your night, too. All right. Our second guest up is a guy we just had on this podcast, but he's back because who's back? Jeremy, welcome. I would like an introduction like UFC when he just like yells it off the top of the time. Jeremy. Jeremy. Jeremy, how was it seeing everyone tonight? Yeah, it's cool. I mean, you guys have been through similar experiences. Like, I become like brothers with some of these guys.

So it's great to see everyone. It's been months. Obviously a long day, but it's, we're all in good spirits and happy to see each other and happy to see Jen again and happy to watch back some footage and yell at each other. Yeah, we're all good. The best part of the tell-alls, at least when you're there filming it as a contestant, is the end. There's such a feeling of relief afterwards. Yeah, it's weird because I guess like you take a little break, but you always know that tell-all is going to happen. And now it's like, you're gone.

Yeah. I guess that is For now Yeah For now Jen The woman that you Almost can engage to

How is it seeing her today I always smile around her She's always fun to be around So We're all good She seems happy Which is important So

Yeah it was good to see her It was good to catch up Barry Berry Very quickly Jay Bear Did she give you that nickname Is that like a little Yeah

No She gave it to me In like Second week Yeah it was pretty early I think it's cute It is cute I like it

We did see you jump in though And somewhat call out Sam M For being there for Daisy or Maria Do you want to expand on that Yeah so I was not part of that At the time I was rooming with Devin So he came back and like I heard about what happened

I knew it was going to be bad So I was already interested to see what was going to happen. I didn't know that happens. And I hear him like say it on TV and I like my jaw dropped. I don't know about you guys, but that was wild. Our jaw draft as well. Because I mean, he he defended himself and it made sense until he said, but then he was like, but then I was happy it was done. But then you said, well, you didn't know it was Jen because you had already left.

Yeah. And then I was confused. and I kind of, yeah, I think I... What he said was like, he said it was out of context, right? He said to his mom like, oh, but Maria and Daisy aren't my type. So,

but then, like, he said himself, he thought it was going to be one of them. And you don't find out that he can't until you're already there. So it means he went on thinking it would be one. So, but in his,

in his defense, I will say, I do think majority of people thought it was probably going to be Daisy or Maria. Well, no, which he did too, but what he was saying, like,

type so I'm like okay yeah that's fair yeah yeah yeah we also saw you speak up at one point um kind of in defense of devon just because he wasn't there tonight yeah what compelled you to do that and is there anything more that you wish you'd said no I mean like I feel like I sort of spoke about him quickly on our podcast but first off he's he's not here to defend himself you shouldn't be like of course you could talk like a little shit You can't go in on someone when they can't talk back to you. And I was friends with him. And I think like the moment that they were talking about was like one of the moments where I was like, oh, I respect this guy.

Like he's not just going to take shit from someone. I do think it was the right thing for him to talk to him. If I was in issues, I would have talked to her first time. I'd also get it out of the way. So yeah. How do you feel about Grant being the new bachelor? I think it's a great thing. I don't know about you guys.

I think it's an amazing pick. Yeah. I ringed with him when I was in New Zealand, so I got to know him. Well, obviously, great looking guy, talented, smart, everything. But he's also the type of person you can just, like, go and talk to about anything. You can go listen and you can have a good conversation with him. I think, I mean, you already know the lines out the door to, like, get in the mansion with him. I'm excited.

I'm excited to see if that's a bachelor. Do you have a question? I do have a question. We saw two tickets to paradise, which I actually believe this is George Clooney and Julia Roberts movie. Is it a song as well? Is it like two tickets to pair? Yeah, probably. Well, two tickets have been given out.

Hakeem and Jonathan. Yeah. Are you expecting one? And if you get one, are you in? I don't expect anything in this life. I don't expect to be on The Bachelorette. Listen, I take it like every day, day by day. I don't know what's going to happen.

If it presents itself and I'm single and I'm in like the right mindset, yeah, I'll go. And Jonathan, I came over my boys. It'll be fun when we're not all dating with the same exact girl. I can tell you that. It is. That is fun. That part.

All right, Jeremy. Thank you very much. We appreciate you coming back on. I'll see you guys. Have it going. Bye. I never envision being with a woman. I'll just be honest.

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Sam N is back in the hot seat. Sam, what's up? How are you? You honestly, you were, for the beginning of this, the episode, you're the star. you're the star of the show I appreciate that as it should You had some good moments

I'm kidding Were you expecting to be Like kind of One of the main focus points At the beginning of this Of course Because there was a lot of Unresolved tension

Between me And a group of individuals Within the house So I was very happy To actually be put In a position Where I can actually Unresolve all that

Like to be able To be able to solve that tension You know Yeah I feel like you got a lot of flack For wearing that leather jacket I mean denim What? Yeah, denim slash leather jacket.

We're weird to find what materials are materials nowadays. Come on. It's 2024. Was it an easy decision to wear it back out tonight? You know, I think it just brings a different aura out of me. You know, it brings out hot energy. It brings out hot energy. You know what I was saying? It brings a different type of side of me. No, honestly, it's just, it's iconic. I want to just kind of just make kind of fun of myself. And just kind of just, you know, have a good buy. A good time of it.

you seem you honestly you seem much more relaxed and chill first time we had you on this podcast you wore a little tense at the beginning so you seem you seem good um yeah i feel like tonight it's what it's because i confess my love on it on like a stage right i'm like oh god this is like you know it's like it doesn't feel good ever right i was just reliving those emotions but yeah yeah do you feel good about um your interaction with the guys tonight yeah of course you know i like instead of building a wall between each other we built the bridge and it was very it was very healthy you know there was a few like there was kind of throwing jobs here and there but i feel like we conduct ourselves very professionally and just like held each other this was the actual first

moment on the show where mutual respect was shown i thought you handled yourself very well tonight i was i was really impressed the the football game i was after watching the football game with you I was a little worried, but you came out. I let my head or dog out. What are you talking about? Play with your dog. You were fired up. You were fired up.

But no, honestly, like, I thought you really, I thought you really handled yourself well tonight. Like, these situations could be just honestly really difficult. And sometimes it's not really easy expressing how you feel. And I thought you did a good job. Yeah. I feel like your main point of conflict tonight was with Aaron when he kind of just re-articulated that he was directing his comment about not being. ready for a proposal at you and Devin, but obviously Devin's not here tonight. How did it feel

kind of, I feel like you assumed that he was talking about you, but how did it feel just hearing him admit it and kind of going back and forth with him about that? I kind of knew already, right? Devin and I kind of just, Devin, Brian, and a few others, we kind of rode side by side, we tuned with each other because we both realize that, hey, we're here to find love, pursue family. and we're all at different stages in like this journey right and everyone has the difficult approaches um and yeah it was just you know my entire time there was infantilized right and that was it was it was nice to kind of like kind of like showcase that and kind of like you know say like hey like this is what happens when you constantly call a man a kid a boy you know and then you just pinpoint

on times where i'm like lashing out right like no it's like you know i'm i'm here to find love i know i might not be ready. But what I do know is I shot every shot I had. And yeah, like it might have, you know, not gone the way I was intending it to, but there's no regrets when it comes to like, did I put it all out there? You know, I literally put it all out there on the field, as Joe said. You did. You put it all out there. What do you feel like now watching back your entire journey on the show and just reflecting on this first experience with love and relationships? Do you feel like you learned that you want to take forward now into your future dating life? Yeah, yeah, a ton of things, right?

Like, don't call yourself a version right off the bat. Don't call our wife, all that. I'm so, it's mainly don't be, don't over-romanticize the process. I think that's the biggest thing for me was don't over-romanticize the process. And don't take myself so serious, right? I can be a very goofy, funny dude. If I'm into like a serious mode, it's a flip switch, right? Like, like, switches.

So for me, it's kind of like, you know, learning from all my experiences, like learning from my, what's beautiful was that I can see my, myself, right? So I can actually kind of grow and learn from this. It's like actually watching like tape, you know? And also from other guys, right? Seeing how they interact and all this stuff. It's like in a weird way, like a learning, like it's like a, you know, dating one to work. Yeah. And yeah, it's basically just taking time to self reflect and grow from what I've done. Okay. So we saw that the kind of the three people that you were up against tonight and throughout the season were Aaron, Sam, M, and Thomas. And it didn't really seem like

any of them offered you any sort of apology tonight. I know that you said that you, you know, you offered an apology and you weren't expecting or asking for one from anyone else. But was there anything that you were hoping maybe went down tonight that didn't? Yeah, of course. Like, first, like, there's a few other things. But like, I never placed a trophy. That was a fallacy. But besides that, is, yeah, I was really hoping forward that they would take some sort of accountability. But at the end of the day, to each is out. and I'm happy that we're all kind of friends now. But yeah, no, you know, it was, it is what it is.

I can't change that. Yeah. I won't demand it. Sam, Sam, thank you so much for coming back on and take it easy in your flag football leagues because you get a nod to. Well, you want me on your team, Joe. Come on. That's true. That's true.

If I was taking teams, I would pick you. Yo, finish the sentence. What is the best offense? A good defense? Exactly, the best defense. There was John Mitch, ex-pro Seahawks on right wing. I'm left wing, glum, virgin, Sam. Who's lane they run every time?

They ran my lane every time, and I stopped them, I stopped every point. We'll leave it at that. Sam, you shine in flag football and you shine tonight. Congratulations. Hey, grocery store, Joe, what's up? Hey, Serena. Hi, how are you? What's right?

Welcome. Green, I hope you don't think I was actually coming at you, because I actually, I heart you guys so much. So I'm so sorry. Because I did, like, because you said, I'm clapping with one hand. That's not a talent. So I'm like, damn, girl.

Like, you couldn't show me no love? No. Did you post that? Yes. And I was like, look, this is a talent. That's why. Oh, my God. Wait, no.

I feel like I. And I, did I not reply? No, because I actually tagged you and Jaws. Like, I'm so sorry. I didn't mean no, like, harm. No, wait. I feel like I showed you that. I was like, this is so funny.

Yeah. Gotcha. No. I just. I swear. No, no, no. No hate. No hate. That's so sorry. That was on me. That was on me. She was talking mad shit about your ass. No, no. I love Joe. I love Joe. Joe's a Chicago hometown hero. We love Joe. Yeah. Yeah. So, Hakeem, no, that's very funny that you posted that. I love it when you guys interact with stuff that we're saying on the podcast.

Hakeem, you're, uh, you're, uh, you're a, do you still live in Chambor? Yes, I do. So I feel like that. You're a Woodfield mall guy. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. I, do you miss it at all, man? You need to come back. And I mean, there's a lot of new stuff, man. They got an export built over here. They got a lot of good restaurants. You guys, come through. I'll show you guys a good time in Schaumburg. Joey, tell it. Where is Schaumburg? It's like a Chicago suburb. It's probably, so I'm from Nell Rose Park. It's probably like 20, it's like 25 minutes from my house. Oh shit, Joe, you're from Mel Will's Park? I'm from Marlis Park, yeah. You saw some shit. You saw some shit. Yeah, I'm from Marlowe's.

But you guys have Johnny's beef. You guys got a Johnny's beef somewhat close over there. One in Arlington Heights, right? Yeah, there is one in Longington Heights. And there's one over by, that's Al's. Over by UIC. I went to UIC. Okay.

All right. Sorry, we probably need this stuff. We need to talk a little more. We should probably talk about the Bachelor. Yeah, the show you're on. I'm sorry. I should talk about that. I'm sorry.

So, Hakeem. We're going to talk about, we got a few minutes here, but I'm going to go backward. I'm going to go backwards, actually. You get a ticket. Well, okay. Why the fuck would you let that tarantula on your lap?

Why? I get, and you said it too. You said like, I did it for Jim. No, we were with you when, because we were like, don't do it. Well, I was screaming at the TV.

And then when, and then when you were, like, I did it last time for Jen. Why would I do this? Like, what are you going to offer me? I was like, damn straight. You better negotiate right now. We were with you the whole time.

My girl, I appreciate you. But yeah, I mean, they offered me a ticket to Paradise. So I was like, okay, maybe it was definitely well worth it. Worth it. Worth it. Yeah, you did the right. You made the right. And you know what?

They got it off you pretty quick. I thought for sure they were going to have that crawl up your tie. Girl, girl, girl. That was a long time. Don't, no, no, no, no. That was a long time. don't don't that was a long ass time and the thing is

he got it like moving and wiggling at the end and I was like you better get that shit get that shit get that shit and they probably got it off me but again I'm thinking what if it's just like like laid eggs on you or something ahead because that's what I thought was gonna cat because it's my biggest fear why would you say that that's

the most random thing the laid eggs on me not even bite me he's just laid eggs on you he was just breeding on my fucking lap it was terrifying You were so brave. You were so brave. So what is your, all right.

So great, though. You get a ticket to paradise. This is kind of the first time we've ever seen them do this. What's your, got any strategy or what's your mindset going into this now? I mean, I'm going to keep it a buck, brother. I don't think there's any strategy at all. I think it's just got to be yourself. I mean, I'm looking to find a woman of my dreams to fall in love.

So if I'm not myself, it's not going to work out, right? I can't sell her a false reality. I got to be myself. Not saying that you're looking for anything, like, juicy, anything, but like, I think there's no strategy. I think I just got to go in and try my best. I mean, if she's feeling me, then hopefully if she builds me and she doesn't, then back to the drama. You know, back to the drama. But hey, okay, are you familiar with the single women within Bachelor Nation?

Is there anyone that you're hoping to see there? Yeah, that's a great question, Joe. Yeah, I was just talking about this girl named Olivia Lewis. She's beautiful, I think hourly and also. inwardly. I think she didn't get the love that she deserved when she was on Paradise. And I promise you if she does show up, I would give her all the attention and love that she deserves because she's a queen in my eyes. I think she has a lot of personality. I think she can match mine. I like that you didn't shy away from you back. I love that you just shot your shot right now.

And I hope someone sent to this clip. I have nothing to lose. So that's your, that's your number one going in? Um, I think that's what I can see that for you. You. Thank you. God, I love. I love Serena. Serena, I love you. I appreciate you. No, I rock with you. I rock with you. You're the hometown hero.

But Serena. I would have called your ass out tonight. I would have called your ass out tonight so fast. Would you, who was the guy that you called out about? Everyone. You called out so many people. You did call out a lot of people.

But it was, I think it was him with the I love you thing with CNN. Yeah. And then you said I, but then you're like, And I love you. You told him that you love him. If I was him, I would have came back to you and been like, express to me why you and I would have been able to give you. And I don't think you would have had the words.

I don't think you would have the words. No, that's cap. That's cap, dog. I tell you, I think he would have the words. I give you box. He has a lot of words. Give me the words. Why do you love Sam?

Why do you love Sam M? Sam M is an actual, loyal as dude. So what you guys see is actually booing. So he will go to bat for you if he rocks with you. So he's a person that is. He may not communicate himself the best, but I'm so thankful how genuine he is. He didn't shy away from being who the person he is. And that's all you can ask for a person, but he is loyal to a fault.

Lad boy is loyal. So, I mean, again, like I got to hold my brothers accountable. And that's why I kind of, you know, I mentioned that in the beginning. And he addressed it. And he owned up to it. So that's all you can, you know, ask for somebody. So, yeah. All right, you there you go.

You made me eat my words. Good. Did you know that you were going to go in tonight? man I'm taking out of team hello all right I'm out of here I love you bro we have a little Aaron Hakeem moment on camera hello hello I'm sorry I'm sorry oh sit hey hometown hero my boy grocery store Joe Serena it's all love now that's my girl serena I'm your biggest cheerleader from now on I'm gonna be posted your biggest cheerleader every hour you guys are the fucking best I love you guys bye Hakeem see ya get out of

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Oh, that's the run right. I'm looking at this thing. See? Listen to no such thing on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Aaron. I don't know if I could interview. Look at you. You sound so much like your brother. It's wild. But we don't look alike. We just sound alike. No, you don't. You actually don't. I mean, you can tell you really. Who's better looking? I'll ask you the questions right now. Oh, no. Don't be asking us. You are. You are. Thank you. Overall, overall, you're a better, you're a better person.

Joe's just saying this hoping that Noah listens and gets pissed off. I was, yeah, I was teeing you up, Joe, to whatever you had to get out there. This is the tell-all. Yeah. All right. It's been good to see you. Let's, yeah, let's get into it. Let's get into it.

How are you feeling? Because I feel like this was much anticipated for you after the way you went out, probably for you to kind of get back out there and share your story. Yeah, I really wanted to add clarity in context. I don't know if I succeeded in doing that, but yeah, it got a little hunt heavy out there. I feel like people were, as soon as a word got out of my mouth, everyone was chiming in jumping on me. So, you know, I'm somewhat, I have pretty thick skin. I do, I was just trying to be honest about whatever was going on, whether they liked it or not. That's, you know, that was my

decision and that's how I was feeling. So, so I was fun. I enjoyed it. It was good to kind of see everyone and just put it all out there and see how the guys reacted and just, you know, have some fun with it. I want to say I was surprised because I did expect that you were going to own up to what you said and say Devin and Sam M or Sam N, sorry, but I wasn't expecting you to throw Spencer into that mix. What, uh, compel that decision? Yeah, I think in the moment, I was thinking definitely about Devin and Sam N. That was pretty obvious. And as I watched kind of the season a little bit, um, I just felt Spencer maybe, you know, having a similar experience to him through that one-on-one maybe he wasn't as ready as he had thought.

So it really was just an opportunity for him to have a platform. And I was, I just just having a conversation and just seemed to get way out of hand from what I was trying to get at. So it wasn't out of like bad blood or anything like that. It was just an observation. Aaron's opinion, that was it. You know, this is not truth or gospel. Yeah.

Yeah. I feel like you're at these things. It's like you're giving your opinion, but they're not really letting you talk. and then there's like seven guys coming at you. So it is, you're in a kind of in a position that's kind of a loose. I mean, it's kind of a lose. I figure my whole thought, you know, just like, let me talk and then you can respond. But yeah, it was very, especially from like certain people that, you know, the whole season,

they didn't say much at all. And then like at the tell all, it's like, here they are ready to talk about everything. So it was a, it was an environment that it was difficult to explain things. But I tried my best. Spencer mentioned implied you may be looking for a ticket to paradise is that something you are interested in

I'm open to it my life is pretty crazy right now I'm focused on myself and like my career and like everything that I have up in front of me but my over the thing I want most in life is to fall in love so if an opportunity like

Paradise came about and I was able to swing it of course I'd be there so yeah I think I think it's something that, you know, I'm not like itching got to go to Paradise, but if it, if the invitation is extended, I would gladly accept. And as long as the schedule works, I'll be there. Yeah. I mean, that's pretty much every guy that was on that stage.

So it's like that everybody wants, everybody wants to go. Yeah. Yeah. I think you do well in Paradise. I think I think I would do well. I think it would be more cohesive to your personality. And I think you would have a good chance of finding someone there. I, I, I, I agree with you.

I think I'm some, you know, the. The Bachelorette is such a, it's such a shotgun type of, like, you really got, you don't know who's going to come in and interrupt you. It's so difficult to, like, I'm someone that I have a lot, I feel like I have a lot of emotional intelligence. I need that connection with someone and to feel like we're both in this thing. And I feel like that was something that Jen and I, you know, kind of struggled with where I kind of bored myself out in, you know, the final after like the group date rose or great before I left. And I just didn't, she didn't really, in turn, do the same thing. So it's really difficult. So I think in an environment like paradise where you have more time just to like banter

and really get to know each other and it's not so like, you know, so quick, I would do well at. So we'll see. Yeah. You said obviously the guys were kind of jumping on you tonight. There was a lot of people talking. Is there anything that you wish you got the chance to say or explain further that you didn't? I really think the book thing. it was not I would me and Devin from a like personality standpoint very different right that's totally

I don't need to explain that but the gesture of why I do what I do I'm someone that for better for worse I generally care about people and in that moment I generally cared about him because he didn't realize how he comes off or even I understood how he makes other people feel he's just like this is just who I am and I don't care and so I want it was like a token of like hey I don't want this to be just what Aaron says I was the one being affected I could have chosen the path you know the Sam M Thomas path of like let's just fight it out and you know I don't you know I knew that was not productive so I wanted to just generally care about him give him a gift you know it wasn't like a hey go read this and figure your life out it was like hey I want you to succeed if it's with

Jen I'm rooting for you if it's you know this is a TV show the of the day if it's with someone else like I want you to better yourself and be the best version of yourself so that was the intent of it and I feel like that was missed and it was just all this oh Aaron thinks he knows everything missed your self-help guru and well it was it was a book it was a book that helped you out so you in turn wanted to give it to him so yeah it was a very transformative I went through like kind of a pretty life-changing thing after my divorce and just really had to come to terms with who I was as a person kind of rebuild and I was so closed off to life, so close off to emotions. And that book in particular was one of the first

ones I read because it was short and I'm not that smart. And yeah, I was out in the middle of like a different country. And I was just like really found a new sense of like who I was and understanding people. And the biggest thing was empathy, how to put myself in someone else's shoes, understand their perspective. And that's really what I was trying to help Devin do in that moment. I almost called him Dylan again. No, don't call him Dylan again, Eric. I said I almost accidentally. I was sitting Dylan tonight. But so then, you know, putting yourself in Devin's shoes, do you think you can understand why he

reacted the way he did to receiving the book? I think he did realize it was sincere. But he also was kind of like, didn't believe it. He thought he didn't want to let me win, you know, whatever that is. So I think he initially was like pushing back at it. So I get his opinion about that and how. I'm someone. I have a growth mindset. If someone wants to say something about me, I will always try to understand where they're coming from. I might just be like, hey, that's just your opinion.

Frankly, I disagree. And then we, you know, that's it. But I'll always try to listen. And yeah, if someone ever wanted to give me a book, I would be all for it. I will maybe read it or maybe it'll go in my bookshelf. But, you know, that's just, we're different people. So I understand that about him. And I can see how he could say, hey, like, thank you, but no, thank you. Whatever. Yeah. Okay. Last question. We do see your twin. brother Noah in the stands tonight. And Abby. And Abby. Yeah. Better half. And he kind of, you know,

and he kind of spoke his opinion. And he on his season was on the receiving end of the book. This book shit's got in. How did you feel hearing and talk? I think I kind of knew what he was going to say in a way. You know, I'm reading his mind as a swim, but I think he said what he needed to say. I think he towed both lines. He understood

when Noah received his book from Bennett, he was like 25 and honestly, or even younger, he was very immature, and I think he deserved that. I think now he's gotten a little bit older. He's had to figure out some things with life. I mean, he's about to get married in October, which I hope he'll see you both there. I think he understood the sentiment. You know, it wasn't a dig. It wasn't a let me put someone down kind of moment. So I think he was trying to bridge both sides. I mean, I think ultimately he was like, why did you do that? Like, you shouldn't have done that. That's just his personality. But we're very different people. So I think he was trying to bridge the gap of like, I see both ways, you know. Yeah, I think that's how he came across. Yeah, I agree.

Yeah. Cool. All right. Well, I'm looking forward to meeting you in person and thank you so much for coming on the podcast. Yeah. Great to see you both. Hope you're doing well. All right. Bye. Have we go up. Bye. Have a good one. All right. Jen. Jen. is our next guest. Jen, well, what's up? How are you doing? I'm good. How are you guys doing? We're good. We're good. So tonight, you decided, you chose the islands and came out, it's fucking swinging. Let's just call what it is. You came out swing it. Uh, wait, wait, wait. Wrong words. Um, first, well, first let's talk about Sam, um, uh, because you can, you definitely let him have it.

It did seem like that was something that was kind of weighing on you. And I'm assuming, After watching it all back, you're like, all right, well, let me give you a piece of mind. And if I'm going to be honest, your tone is the tone that I was anticipating from everyone tonight regarding Sam M. And I was surprised by, it was a lot more grace given than I was just expecting, not saying like he should or shouldn't have gotten it. And then, you know, it's getting kind of kumbaya, everyone's getting a little tired. And then you came out and it was like, you were like, I'm here to play, guys. Don't forget this is my show. Sit down, shut up, and listen.

I'm The Bachelorette and I have some stuff to say. Listen, it's been weighing on me. I mean, watching things back, you get such a fuller perspective of everything that's going on. I didn't see the way he was interacting with the guys. And also watching our interactions together, being able to pinpoint exactly why something wasn't right. That was really, really insightful for me. And so I think I doubted myself kind of a little bit throughout the journey with him, but then finally being able to have a pinpoint conclusion as to why is that went wrong.

I was excited to tell him about that. And also, you know, I think that the biggest takeaway I want him to take is to take a step back and learn from this. Like, this isn't something that you can just push to the side because I truly do want the last for him. Yeah, and I think you answered a lot of people's questions tonight because I'm sure viewers are going to be watching and listening to this podcast, having seen what his family and have been putting out about. What is it? What have they been saying? So they've been basically saying that the show. show is not reflecting who Sam is and what actually happened. So I think it's great that you came

out and addressed that because obviously you were there. So you are kind of one of the few people that can speak to how it actually was. Absolutely. I lived it and that's exactly that. I was so disappointed to seeing him blame things on an edit when I was like, no, no, no, I lived every single moment with you there. And that's exactly how our conversations play out. That's exactly how and gave me feel in that moment. And so, yeah, I wasn't going to let him have the last word on that. Absolutely what. How about seeing some of the other guys like Jonathan?

Great. It was so good to see a lot of the guys, especially Jonathan. He had such a heart felt goodbye, but he's such a genuinely great guy. And so it was good to be able to see him again and kind of cultivate that friendship. You know, at the end of the day, we've been through this for me together. And he's such a wonderful person. And I'm so excited to see him thrive in paradise. I know. That's going to be really great. What were you most nervous for tonight? And then what

were you most excited about? Most nervous. I don't know if I was necessarily super nervous about anything. You know, these guys, I've been through a whole journey with them. So I knew what to expect with them and I was excited to see them. I was probably most excited to just see them all again. This journey to me holds such a special place in my heart. It's such a unique experience. one-centered world to experience. It was such a great group guys. You know, it's now to come all back together. It's like a sorority. Are you glad it's over? You know, there's ups and downs and I think, I don't know. I don't know if I'm glad it's over. I wouldn't say that. I would say I'm happy it happened. Do you have any, I don't want to say regrets, but

Because most people always say the answer, like, I don't have any regrets. But is there anything that you did that you kind of look back on like, oh, I wish I changed this or anything that you would switch up? I mean, I learned so much and I've grown so much since the beginning of the journey. Yeah, I mean, there are times where I definitely felt like I should have stood up for myself a little bit more. For example, on the Sky Tower, I wish that the conversation between Sam and I wish I had put my foot down more and been like, no.

I hated that skytown. I hate it watching it. That gave me so much anxiety of just being on top of that building. I hate it every second of that. Yeah. Yeah. Not only are you like on the tallest building ever. I'm scared.

I don't like heights. I don't like height. But like you're in an argument. Like you're feeling like so isolated and alone and all this tension and you're like I'm going to fall off this building. Absolutely. Yeah. So in that moment, I wish I had just stood up for myself a little bit more. And then like, no, you need to act right.

Like this is not okay for you be acting. You know, you grow and you learn and that's okay. At least I'm learning from it. Last thing, do you want to ask because he went pretty far on your season and he just got announced the Bachelor. How do you feel about Grant? I'm so excited for him, truly. I think he is the perfect picked.

No one deserves it more. He from the beginning opened his heart up so quick right to the journey that I think that he's going to do so well in his own journey more because as a lead, like that's so important to be able to be open. and he's so sincere and so genuine and he falls so hard and he's just overall like so kind-hearted and such a great guy and so I'm truly rooting for him and I'm so excited to watch yeah I think he's I think he's it'd be great I think I think Sam N

would have been the right choice if you want it Joe loves Sam N. If you want it real TV you choose you choose the love virgin and you just well he's not a love virgin anymore oh yeah he's taking steps towards it I broke his love virginity you did he did He broke his charity. He broke his cherry. Jonathan, welcome to the podcast. I'm just going to throw it out there right away.

You go by Jonathan. Everyone's calling you, Jonathan. You go home. Your whole family's calling you, John. What's up with that? Yeah, it was, I guess when you're saying it a lot more frequently, it's easier. But I go by Jonathan. When I was in high school, I worked in a restaurant, and I had these group of older women come up to me.

And they're like, oh, my God, like, what's your name? Like, you're so cute. And I was like, oh, thank you. It's John. And then they're like, is it short for anything? I was like, yeah, it's short for Jonathan. And then they go, yeah, you need to go by that for the rest of your life. That is a much sexier name.

And from that point on, I was like, yep, I'm locked in on Jonathan now. Wow. That's a great story. That's a way better story that I expected. How old are you? Thank you. How old was I? Yeah.

18. Wow. That was solid. And you know what? I bet you those women watch The Bachelor. And they're like, he did it. He's still Jonathan. If they remember

They would probably freak out. Yeah, I mean, I'm Joe, but like my family calls me Joey, but I would never introduce myself, Joey. Or Joseph. Or Joseph. Joseph would be your full name. Yeah, but I'm never, no one I would call him Joseph. Well, Joseph and Jonathan are giving different energy.

Really? Jonathan Joseph. Okay, let's talk about it. Anyway, let's have a, yeah. Go ahead. I have to say. We can go on depth about whatever we want. We'll get into it.

other time. But I have to say, you ranked Jen's top three looks tonight. So impressed. Couldn't agree more. Couldn't agree more. You nailed it. Do you guys remember the outfits I'm talking about too? Yep. The purple retrofit sparkly dress and then the little mini white one with the silver fringe. Yep. All right. So tonight there was a lot of a lot of man drama as to be expected. It's the men pillow. I guess what were you? I mean, the biggest thing is probably Aaron and Sam and I feel like most of the guys were going at them. What are your takes on let's go urine first and then some Samem? Honestly, my answer is going to be pretty similar for both of them.

I think a lot of people land in this like world of not knowing how to explain their feelings in the correct way. And they keep talking about opinions. This is my opinion. This is that opinion. And people are getting offended by it. It's like it's an opinion. Everybody's got one. some of them suck, like, get over it.

Yeah. So for them, you know, they had some opinions and some of them sucked. And you just got to sit there and just live in that world. But as far as what they tried to say to make up for it, you know, watching Sam sit up there and just speak his truth and actually be able to like articulate his feelings for once, was incredible to see.

We just watched this man malfunction pretty much. And then on a one-on-one, not knowing what to say or finding the right words, the fact that he came out there spoke so well, was able to explain himself in that way. You know, he was trying. You know, and I'll never fall something to him to try. And he did incredible with that. So I agree. And then Jen came out and fucking ran through the ringer.

I kept saying. I was like, let her go. Let her cook. She's going in on everybody. Yeah, she was prep. She was ready to go. Oh, my. If the payback of my faces, I'm just like the whole time.

There was a lot of shocking things. It was a good one. I feel like, you know, there was a lot of drama tonight, but the main event for you was, you know, revealing to the audience that you got sent home after fantasy suites. How was that just finally having that information out there, I'm sure, is a little bit of a relief, but watching it back, what were those emotions?

really tough honestly you know i think the biggest takeaway was when i was sitting in the car um i was like you know i'm tired of being my own biggest enemy standing my own way and made a mistake again you know by not letting myself fully feel for the person that was in front of me um so watching the back was tough you know those emotions were super real and i think i've watched it now three times since it's played every time i like get choked up a little bit. I'm like, you know what, dude? Yeah, fucking tired of staying in my own way

and not allowing myself to validate my own feelings. Feel how I want to feel. Like, if I love somebody, I need to let them know. I need to let myself know and just go for it. So that was the biggest takeaway. And honestly, it was just, I don't know. I loved every moment of it, but it was definitely, definitely an emotional.

Definitely hard. Yeah. Her and I was having great time. So after watching that and kind of like, I don't know pinpointing what your issues are going into you you get a ticket to paradise you're the first one yep how are you going to approach paradise yeah um you know I think for the biggest part of it for me and I don't know how the show I want to see before I went on the bachelor's right I'd only watch Joey season I'd never

seen The Bachelor Bachelorette so I've never seen Paradise either so I don't really have much of a strategy going into it um but I will say it's just like it's just like it's It's basically like if you went to a pool party in Mexico with like six of your friends and then a few other guys that you don't really know, but you know of. And then there's like seven or eight girls that you've heard of. And everyone's good looking and single. And everyone's good looking and single. And there's all of all.

Okay. Yeah. Yeah. I think the biggest thing that I would do is take away what I just took away from this last season with and if I feel something, feel it, you know, let myself run with it. If I like somebody, I can let them know. Hey, I think we have something here. Or if I, if I have love for somebody, honestly, like, I'm probably, I'm not afraid to say it. And I'd rather just let you know now. I'd rather shoot big and win big than not shoot at all and see what happened. So my only

strategy is holding myself accountable to those feelings. Can I give you some advice as a As a successful paradise As a successful paradise It moves quick quicker than you think So if you do feel something Lean into it and lean into it right away Don't sit back

Because things happen faster Than you realize Yeah I've never heard you give that advice before Do I get to ask you questions? It's good advice don't you think Yeah it is good advice Do I get to ask a question too?

Yeah yeah go for it If I feel it with somebody quickly, should I just run with that since we're working with limited time or do I still kind of weigh out the other options that go with that? That's exactly. You just answered. You just answer it. You run with what you feel because all the people that go to paradise and like, oh, but no, I'm going to weigh my options. They're going to sit around. They're going to weigh their options. They're going to fuck it up. Nothing's going to happen. And they usually let a good thing go to waste. And I mean, look, there's a window of time in the beginning where it's appropriate. to explore even if you're feeling it with someone they're probably exploring but i think the best thing is to know when to shut the door and know you have a good thing and be like i'm putting on my eggs in this basket and if it doesn't work it's okay but at least i know i really went for something real yeah so that's our advice but i have one more question for you i feel like um watching your exit

interview in the car you were very vulnerable and you really talked about kind of what you feel like you should have done differently. And I think that's amazing. I think there's so much to be learned about ourselves going on a show like this. But I will say, I feel like you were hard on yourself. And do you feel like watching it back, you have more clarity? Because I feel like you and correct me if I'm wrong. I'm not trying to put words in your mouth. But I feel like you took a lot of the blame for the relationship not working out. Do you feel like watching it back, there was a sense of clarity of maybe where her other relationships were at? 100%. I've actually been saying that to today is people,

asked about closure. Watching the final three gave me a lot of closure on what we had. She has pronounced her love that she has for Marcus. She's in love with Marcus and Devin is in love with her and we're sitting in this beautiful middle round where we get along, everything's great

and it feels so amazing to spend time together but it's like X factory. It's something that's not clicking. You know, that's moving us past friendly love and we have so much fun to this is my forever you know we just never got to that point so that hardness i had to myself i didn't

know the depth of what she was beating to with these other two guys you know so seeing that she was able to get there and get there quicker with them i'm like you know what it wasn't anything outside of what we could have done it was just it wasn't there yeah yeah yeah yeah that's a good question and honestly i i hate when people are too hard on themselves or like especially at the end because there's so many different factors and it's like whatever like you'll figure it out yeah you know like you're gonna like jonathan you're to be fine like you're gonna go on paradise you're gonna do really well and you're gonna end up getting engaged and you're happily ever wow joge manifested your i do i actually i actually think i think it's going to work out for you i have i have sincere hope for you

honestly I hope so I hope I'm sitting here across me guys with somebody next to me that you guys are like yep we knew it it works or you're gonna completely fuck it up but either way you're still gonna be fine with that works in my way again and I'm sitting here and I'm like dude so you guys would be advice bro but you'll be back either way Jonathan thank you so much for taking the time we really appreciate it and this won't be the last time we'll be seeing you so good luck with everything yeah it's more thanks Jonathan all right everybody everyone, thank you for tuning in to Bachelor Happy Hour. That is all the guys we're going to be interviewing today. We hope you enjoyed it. And make sure you stay tuned because we had more episodes. Yeah, next up, Jen's season finale. So be sure to tune into that. And we will have some amazing exclusive interviews for you as well as recap. So don't forget to subscribe to Bachelor Happy Hour. And thanks for listening. Bye. I'm Jamel Hill hosted the sports and politics podcast, Spolitics.

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