The Tears, The Drama and That Beard – Becca, Tayshia and Natasha Break Down Women Tell All
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01:29Open your free IHeartRadio app.Search Emergency Intercom and listen now.Welcome back, Happy Hour listeners.Another week, another week full of drama.And we saw a lot go down in the Women Tell All episode.But once again, we're going to be starting this podcast a little bit differently.And that's because today I won't actually be joined by Rachel.She has been taking on so much in the world of bad.
01:57her nation and I want to extend my support and friendship and just give her a little break.She needs it. She needs some time away as much as she, you know, loves to sit here and dorecaps most of the time. She just needs to take a break. And so I'm really just trying to supporther the best way that I can. And so with that, instead of having her on today, I'm actuallygoing to be bringing in two new reinforcements to girls that have been through this crazyjourney on a couple different seasons. And that is.with the clickbait girls, they're going to be taking over Bachelor Happy Hour with me.So very shortly, I will be bringing on both Tasha and Natasha to recap everything that we
02:37saw go down with Women to All. Before we actually bring them on and get into that, I want to saythat we live in such a crazy time. Like, this past year has been heavy. It has been eye-opening.And the fact that we have to sit here week by week and keep preaching to have to have tohave people be kinder and better and nicer on social media.Like, I feel like the point isn't really resonating with people all the time.Like, I know a little bit of what Rachel has been going through these past couple of weeks.I can't fully understand the extent of it with all of the nastiness and cruelty and hate and just racist actions and comments that she's been getting.But I want to be the first to say here, we need to stop dragging each other.
03:23We need to just be better.and the fact that people are continuing just to talk shit and send terrible DMs and comments on people'sInstagrams, like that's not helping the situation in any way, shape, or form. And if we ever wantunity and change and growth and more positivity and inclusion in this world, we need to find a wayof like how to actually do that. And I think I want to start by saying it's not through sendingmessages necessarily through Instagram or through Facebook or Twitter. And it's really taking a stepback and seeing like what can we do as individuals in our circles to bring forth that positivechange. One step that I think is headed in the right direction that could potentially help that
04:08is with the after the final rose, the finale that is coming up in a few short weeks. Andif you, you know, have been on top of Bachelor Nation and all of the news that has happened in the pastcouple weeks, you'll realize that we have a new host filling in for Chris Harrison during the finale,and that is with Emmanuel Acho. He is an incredible human who not only is a New York Times bestsellerfor his book called Uncomfortable Conversations with a Black Man, he also has a series for that.He was the first guest on talking it out with Mike and Brian of their podcast. So before you actuallysit down and watch the finale and wonder why we have Emmanuel on hosting it,do a deep dive and do some research and educate yourself on who he is and what he speaks out about
04:55because he is all about inclusion and diversity not only within the franchise but within our societyhe sits down he's not afraid to get uncomfortable and hold tough conversations especially forpeople who look like me so i highly recommend please go check him out buy his book check out hisseries on instagram it's at emmanuel aacho look at his uncomfortable conversations and justget a feel for him because he is incredible. We can't wait to see him sit down with Matt and some of the girls on the finale and have those conversations because it is so needed in this day and age. And one last thing is I know there's so much going on in the world of bachelor nation in our society, but the only way that we can potentially move forward and make some sort of change is having these uncomfortable conversations. I know that they're not always easy. They're awkward.they're tough and at times like let's be honest it's easier to just ignore things and brush them underthe rug but we're not going to bring about real change and unite and just find more of an evenplaying field where these these conversations become the norm until we start having them so that's why
06:07I'm hoping that speaking to you through the podcast speaking with rachel in private speaking withany sort of circle that you have and then watching this finale with these uncomfortable conversationsis going to be the catalyst that can jumpstart you in your own lives being able to have theconversations as well. So without it, I don't think we're going to move forward. And that'swhy they are so incredibly needed at this point in time. So before we really get into today'sepisode, I have to introduce two of my girls. They've been on the podcast before. And I hope this isnot the last time because I absolutely love them. So welcome to the podcast, Tasia and Natasha.I love that does.
06:47So good to see you.You too.So happy to be here on Bachelor Happy Hour.It's like the crossover that I've been waiting for.Truly, truly.Well, Tasha, the last time we had you on, I mean, it wasn't like a takeover, but wehad you after your engagement with Zach.Yeah.
07:04So how have things been since we last spoke?So good.I'm obsessed with New York.I was still in L.A. at the time.I'm here in New York.I'm obsessed with it.him and I are still doing very, very well, and I don't know, life's good.Young and in love.
07:20Yeah.I love it.You're holding down L.A.?Becca, how's L.A.?L.A. is great. No complaints.I just feel so lucky to be here, especially, like, when things are still kind of shut down with the sunshine.Yeah.Yeah, I love.
07:35It just feels like, I keep saying this all the time when people ask me about L.A.,but it just feels magical.Like, I'm finally getting the groove.I kind of know the streets.like I don't need my Google Maps anymore. It's feeling right. Oh, that's a good feeling.You guys, before we get started, I just had this thought. We all, the Bachelor,the Bachelor world is so crazy. Like, it's just this weird, I've said it before, this weirdincest to his family. But like, we all know Joe, grocery store Joe, because he was on my
08:02season for one night, a whole two seconds. But you guys are on clickbait with them. So how is itworking with Joe? How you do our, how you do our bro like that? How you do it like that?I do love Joe.He's incredible.Yeah.First time, I thought I was crazy, but, like, he really grew on me after that.Oh, well, yeah.He's too. We're both like, hmm.
08:25We love Joe.I mean, honestly, I don't know.Our personalities click really, really well, and, like, we fight and, but we just get each other.I love him.I really do love him.Maybe, I don't know.You should just spend a little bit more down with our man, but, you know.Yeah, yeah, no, I love Joe, too.
08:41He's really funny.He really makes fun of himself and like, you know, we love when guys do that.Also, I think that the pressure of the first night is a lot, of course.But, you know, he's fun and he's so fun to kind of go at.Like, Tasha and I go out of him pretty much, right?Especially this last episode, I stayed out of it, honey.Joe and Tisha, they went for it.Last clickmate episode, it was so funny.
09:06It was, I really enjoyed it.I hope our listeners enjoyed it too.I enjoyed it a lot.no but that's the thing like that's why Joe's so great because I I got to know him a little bit more obviously outside of night one because I was just chaotic in itself but he's great and I just love somebody he can kind of like throw themselves under the bus and don't take themselves too seriously but it's kind of like do you feel like he's got this big brother mentality like looks out for his girls like you guys he definitely looks out I feel like he's definitely protective over us in a way you know what I mean but he definitely tells usus how it is. And I love thathe doesn't just try to like go with the flow.He like, you know what I mean? He has a totally differentopinion and it's sometimes it's really nice to get the guys
09:48like opinions and perspectiveon things. Yes. Because we have our girlfriendswe could always talk to, but getting like a guy that's likein the know, it kind of knows this world, what knowswhat we've been through.It's just been really, really, really fun.Oh wait, I have a question for you, Becca. Nowthat you know Joe outside of night one,
10:04thinking back, would youhave still, like now that you knowhim, would you have still sent him home onnight one. Oh my gosh.My next to the pot like that. Yeah, she messy. Yeah, she messy.Yeah. Coming in hot early in the morning. We got a click bait, okay? We're dealing with likethe nitty gritty. You know, I, I probably would have kept him around a little bit longer.He was just, and he, he has said this himself too. Like, he was just so nervous that it was
10:32like trying to pull teeth, night one, talking to him. And I just like, I just felt bad. I waslike, I don't know if I can put him through an entire.season. And, you know, he probably would have loosened up and gotten more comfortable and itwould have been completely different. But, but, yeah, I would have. Also, like, so when I finallystarted, I shouldn't say started hanging out with him. So I actually ran randomly, randomly lastminute, well, not last minute, but ran into him in Chicago when I was there a couple of yearsago after my season. We were wedding dress shopping for my sister. And he happened to be walkingacross the street as we were walking into my sister and I had to go to the bathroom at like a
11:09Bloomingdale's or something. He was turning the corner in Bloomingdale's with his friend and I was like,Joe? And it was the night before he left for Paradise. So he's buying all these swim trunks. But then thatnight, he ended up coming out and meeting up with us and grabbing drinks. Like, he brought his family.His cousins were there. We had like, his family was incredible. And so he's, he's just like good people.His family's good people. And so yeah, I mean, in hindsight, 2020, I probably should have kept him around a little,a little bit longer and I knowthe production team really wanted him on longerlike they really liked Joe
11:43which says something so I you knowI should have listened to them butyou know here we are here we arenow he's working with my girls soyeah yeah it all works outhe's in the fan he's in the yeah it's all thatmatters really I felt that Beccayes yes
11:58well you guys I mean I feel likeI could sit and talk with you for hours and catchup about everything butwe really should be into women toall because I feel like this is women to all is and mental all too is always the episode thatpeople are like oh I wonder what's going to go down what's going to happen and funny enoughthe three of us sitting here are talking about it but like not one of us have ever been to a womanwomen tell all before and I'm not going to lie I'm I don't miss it at all I don't I don't
12:28I don't have any formal I don't have any you know remorse for not being there because I wouldtry to dodge that thing as much as I can anyway that is a hot mess express and I don'twould not want to be there.Wait, and Tasha, did you, after Paradise, did you go to, like, that reunion show?Yes.Which is so different.Which is so different.It's so different.
12:47And I had, like, hives afterward.It was, like, the worst.It was the worst.I think the tension is just so high because it's, like, you're watching it back and then, like,things come back to you.Even though you could have been over it, you still watch it back and you hear what they're saying,like, behind your back.And you're just like, oh.
13:04Okay.So then it, like, starts to stir up a little bit.bit more and then you want to finally say something because you're just like first well that's notright that's the thing and that's what viewers and listeners don't understand is they're all like ohyou've lived it you know everything that happened on the seasons it's like no there is so much behindthe scenes with everyone else's interviews everyone else's conversation that it hits you in a differentway and you're like oh i had no idea somebody felt that way about me or that they said this or thatlike this situation was going down it's it's a very weird thing to kind of know what you
13:37are getting into when you watch it back, but like, you really have no idea.No. Yeah. And Natasha, you weren't there just because you were over it.Well, it was a complex of things, but yes, I, I did not go because, yes, I was like, listen, honey,I told all for seven weeks. The seven weeks I was there, I said, every girl there knows if I likethem, if I don't like them, if I, you know, whatever, like all the beef is like squashed if therewas any or I just I would I I I said my piece to everybody I apologize to whoever I said everything thatI needed to say while I was there and after and I just felt like you know I was going to miss workto go to this thing and just be a part of this drama filled thing that I just I just knew it
14:22was going to be crazy and right this woman's hell all in my opinion was surprisinglyvery different than the one that I saw for my season okay well let's get into it that's aperfect segue, because overall, it felt so tame. Like, knowing what we know from what we have seenthis entire season with all of the drama, which I felt like that's all it was for weeks on end,like, I was sitting there, and I'm like, this is actually a very boring woman to all.Well, because usually, like, they get into it a little bit more. But I have to say,maybe it's because they got into it the entire season. Like, just watching. And we've all beenwatching and have been like so disappointed in all their actions. So they all probably try to like reel
15:06it in a little bit. Totally. You know what I mean? Yes. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. And you guys. And it's weird becausethere's so much time between filming and then there's time in between filming and when it airs. And thenthere's time between when it's airing and women to all. So there's this whole chunk of time that I'msure. And I know there's always the group chats. We always talk about the group chats. Like I'm sureThere were conversations where people apologized, where they hash it out.So, yeah, going back to what you said, Tasha about having, or sorry, Natasha, about, like, you didn't want to relive that again.I totally get that.But it was very cordial.
15:41It was very, like, buttoned up.It felt like they didn't let the women talk with each other as much as a, and there was a lot more hot seats, it felt like.Yeah, I'm not used to this many hot seats.No, I don't think I like it as much, though.It's not as.Yeah, no.I'd rather hear the.going back and forth.
16:00Yeah.Well, but also I think, you know, and, you know, I just, I have to bring this up.It probably is also because so much has affected this season with everything that had, you know,not to keep harping on the whole Chris Harrison thing and the thing that happened with Rachel.It's like Rachel clearly wasn't there, of course.And there's so much looming over the season.So people are probably like, you know, compared to this issue, our little beef that we had in the house is like,let's squash that girl.
16:27It's nothing.Yeah.Exactly, because they all came together and they probably all had to talk with that statement that they spoke about, right?That they all released saying that they all kind of formed together.So they probably had to all talk at some point and people were like people probably just dish things.And also the drama like on my season, it was from all corners.It was from everywhere.Like you could like it was just boom, boom.
16:53There's probably maybe three people that never got into drama during my season, me being one of them.but it was very very few whereas here it was the it was like a main four or five people thatstirred the pot it seemed yeah right well let's get into one of those people because we sawwith the two-on-one and we started with this conversation at women till all between uh both mj andjacinia and it felt like i mean i i personally like watching it go down iI'm like proud of Justenia for still standing her ground and being like, no, you lied to Matt.Like, what were your thoughts on that conversation?Did you expect MJ to apologize?
17:36More like, what did you girls think?I mean, to be honest with you, I like DeSenia.I thought she was a straight shooter.Like she's like a no bullshitter.I think she had a lot of like facts that she was feeling.It wasn't like she was trying to like start the part.She was just like, no, like you're actually being a mean girl.Like, and she's calling it out.
17:55This is the reason why the show is so great because people handthings so differently, whereGiac's instinct was to go to Matt,MJ's instinct probably would have beento go to Giac if she were Giacenia.And I think for me personally,when I have an issue with someone and even on my season,I saw this happen with many girls on my season.
18:15It's like some girls decided to confront each other.Some girls decided to confront it through Matt in a way.And personally, I would have,if I were M.J., I would have preferred her.to come directly to me and talk to me about this or bring it up in front of the girls that you saythat I'm being upset about, you know, personally. But again, MJ, Justinia, you're two differentpeople and that's why you had this thing. But you know what though? Like if I remember correctly,I think Matt was the one who brought it up to Descentia and asked her about it. She didn't go
18:48in Tadotow. Yeah. So I was going to say, so I think in that case, that's why it initiallystarted was because Matt was questioning herabout it. But I do agree right after thatJacena probably should have been like, hey, MJ,by the way, this was a conversation that tookplace just so you're aware.Ooh, this brings back memories.I hate to bring it back to me, but
19:10I remember on myseason, you know,I had someI was confrontedby Colton and he asked, you know,what's going on in the house?Like, how are these girls? Like, and I didn't really wantto say much, but I just said, like, protect yourself in a sense, because, like, there might not be
19:29people that want to be here for you. Of course, what they showed was me saying, you know, like,Caitlin and Cassie did have a conversation, and one of the two said, like, they just want to bethe Bachelorette, and they just want to end up with him just so they can, like, get whatever.And I said that to him. Oh, yeah. And then I got called some names, but then I looked likethe bad person, but I will say, like, when you, when you're confronted and asked,a question. It's very different. I don't know how tosay it. Like, it's just like, what do you do? Light of their faces and belike, nope, we're all Peachy King. I hope you like make the good decision. Like, no, you start
20:06caring for these people and you're like, look, this is just what's going on. And to behonest with you, now that I've been on the other side, like, I would appreciate if theguy's told me because I don't see everything. You don't see everything. Yeah. I wouldappreciate if the guy would have been like just a heads up, do with you, do with it whatyou want, which is what Colton did. Yeah. But then I gotreamed also. So it's just like, I see both sides of it. Becca, the same thing happened on my season.Peter came to me and asked me personally about Alea. And to this day, to this day, people loot mein this mean girl thing. And you never apologize to Alea for bringing her up to Peter. And I'm like,
20:44I did not bring her up to Peter. And the part that, of course, was shown was me saying she puts on forthe camera. And the other part was, but you got to deal with that. You have to deal with that. If someone isperformative. Maybe that's just how they are. And you have to say if you want to be with them or not,right? And that was my advice to Peter. It wasn't like, oh, no, honey. She's like, no, I don't evenknow this girl. I don't. I don't. I don't talk to her. I don't know her. Right. So it is adifferent thing when they asked you. And if, and, and you were calling Becca that he askedJacenia, then yes. It's like you want to say how you feel, but also how, what I said aboutAlea. She knew I felt that way. You know what I mean?
21:24right yeah so well and there's something to be said too because you know putting myself back intoone of the contestants one of many women and then also being the lead like there's something to besaid when you as the lead feel comfortable enough to go to certain people who you know are probablygoing to tell you the truth who are going to give it to you straight and not be around the bushand so like as the lead it's kind of comforting to to have those people to go to like now depending onhow it's portrayed, it can blow up and not be in their favor. But, but, like, if I was Colton or if Iwas Peter for you girls, I would, I would feel comfortable coming to you because I'd be like,they're not going to beat her on the bush here. They're going to give it to me straight. And so,
22:05like, that's what I'm, I'm assuming that's what Matt did when he went to Gisania. I think so.Yeah. But, you know, Colon said those exact words to me. Like, I actually trust you. And, like,I really value your input and you're, you know, like, I would love to hear from you. Right.And also, like, please don't, I bet people better not continue to bring this shit up.We were just using it for this scenario.Right.This is an example.We don't live in the past.
22:30We have movies don't fly into Tatia's DMs and give her hate.I believe that.Don't bring it back up.Don't stir the pot.I was not a part of the mean girl crew.Like, no, like, just stop that.Like, the whole mean girl every year.Oh, God.
22:44Yeah.But I do want to bring up the point that Mari stood up for MJ.And was it Katie that set up for Gisina?Yes.You definitely, from this women to all, you could definitely tell who was kind of friends and kind of not, I think, as well.Yeah.And speaking of Mean Girls' friend groups, obviously the comment was said about like the varsity squad versus JV squad, which leads us to the next big bit of Women to All, which is the new arrivals, the five women that came in and all of the.drama surrounding that. I'm really glad that they highlighted Ryan because I feel like we did not
23:28see nearly enough of her in the couple episodes that she was on. But I'm so glad that she wasfinally able to vocalize on this platform of how uncomfortable it was with the bullying.With the, like, I understand the girls in the house that were already there and not fullywanting to like welcome and embrace this new group of women but i'm glad that she finally spoke outbecause if i was ryan if i was one of those new girls i would have like i don't know if i would haveshown up straight up i would have i probably would have been deflated like themit was very yeah and that's why it's like it was a hard situation to be put in and i listened tohappy hour when you guys had kit on and she said like she was sorry for her friend that left and
24:15he picked these other people over them.And being in that environment, you know, for our listeners, it's a very selfish place to be in.You are thinking about yourself.You're thinking about your relationship.You are, you know, you're thinking about your friends.You're not thinking about when these new things arise.You're not necessarily thinking about that.So it's such a hard position to be put in.
24:36And it's hard to be them, but it's also hard to be the girls who you've been putting in the time.It's, it's, it's drama, honey.Right.It is, especially as late as it was this season.I think my season was a little bit different.I think there was so much changing, like, even with, like, Claire leaving.And it was just, it was me.Like, I think if it was me and then three weeks later, there was another group of guys,
24:55like, that would have been, like, next level.Yeah.But it was just, like, a lot of change in one night in the couple days, you know?And I understand the whole not welcome committee for these new girls.I get that.But, like, it got toxic and it got bad, which we obviously saw with Victoria.And again, back to Ryan.And I'm glad that she spoke out about it because, like, she's a dancer and being called a ho on national television.
25:21And when Victoria kept saying, calling these women sluts and whores and slurs and whatever word she was making up, I'm so glad that this was addressed because this is something that Rachel and I had spoke on our podcast about is like, it got to the point where I'm like, why is this even being aired?Like, why is this like this type of language, especially women against women, like, to.me doesn't say well it feels sojust gross like I justI remember watching it being like this is disgustingand umand so when Victoria addressedit on national television
25:56on women till all I should say I'm just likecome on girlfriend like did you notwatch any of this back and feeleven more remorse like yes she apologizeda little bit but then when she got intoasking Ryan if she's just a sensitiveperson I'm like Ino I lost it
26:11I was not okay with that are you justsensitivelike, what?No.And what was like,like, in the words of Matt James,in what world is it okay to call somebody a ho?Like, you know what I mean?
26:24Like, it's,it's, like, no.My issue with Victoria is,A, like,have the wherewithal to understandhow words impact people,you know,it's like,
26:38and like,of course somebody's going to be sensitiveif you're called a whoremultiple times on television.Like, of course,And just because Victoria has been getting hate in her DMs that she talked about, it's like, that's not okay either.No one's condoning that behavior.But like just because you can like stomach it and some other women can't doesn't make them overly sensitive.
27:00I just like Victoria had the chance to step up and speak out and really give an apology.Like she's had time to think about this.And I feel like she fell so short of that.100%.Like like watching it back shouldn't feel bad at all.all or feel like, well, I could have done things a little differently.It was, it was the defense.It was the defense for me, honey.
27:23Yeah. Well, I think, too, with Ryan saying that wasn't national television.Like, you can literally delete your Instagram, right?Like you can, like, like Victoria did for a short amount of time, she deleted it or wasn't on it for a little bit.But what is said is said on national TV to so many people, you don't have to display.what someone sends you directly on your Instagram, right?And I'm not saying that it's right, of course.But it's just different levels.You called someone this thing on national TV.
27:55A lot of these trolls on the gram,they wouldn't say it to my face.No, they wouldn't.You know what I mean?Never.They would never walk up to you and say what they say through typing.So it's even worse that she did say it.And then she, you know, I know you guys have your read the room.
28:10That's it.Victoria, for me, you didn't read the room, honey.No, not as of them.Apologize, period.She didn't read the resort.She didn't read all of Nemeckel.She didn't read Pennsylvania.She's not reading the country.
28:23Like, she's just not reading.We have to have a little education lesson for Ms. Victoria.What were your thoughts on, okay, and maybe I'm biased because we've had Katie on ourpodcast, and I just love Katie.I love, like, how she owns who she is.She's sex positive.I was kind of taken aback during this woman to all that.It seemed like a lot of the women.
28:44were kind of coming for, Katie.I was really surprised, actually.Like, every, I feel like a lot of people had a lot to say to her.And it's like, I thought Victoria was going to get that energy.But Katie got that energy.No, really, though.Victoria, like, only, like, maybe two or three girls called out Victoria, to be honest.It wasn't, like, all of them.
29:05And, yeah.It's, like, and, you know, again, I'm going off of the two hours that I see every Monday.But it seemed like from the side that I was watching, the angle that I saw everyeverything happened. It seemed like Katie, of course, Katie was not afraid to go to Matt and tellhim when things were going wrong or when there was toxic behavior in the house, but she alwaysleft it in his court. Like, hey, this is what's happening. I'm not going to name names, but confrontit. And so I was taking aback that so many women came for her specifically when it's like,yeah, she was, she was not a catalyst, but she brought like some issues to light, but she never
29:42named anyone she never degraded anyone she never like drug anyone and so that's where I was sitting therewatching this like I love Katie like from what I've seen but what am I missing here I was just to say what are we notseeing because they all felt very strongly too like it was like they were upset it wasn't just likeoh well you know you did mention this one thing like no they were coming for her we said Chelseaconfront her we saw Mari confront her we saw um uh uh sereneIt was during the C confront.You obviously have the show, too.Oh, yeah.
30:16Victoria, everyone.Victoria, Victoria did apologize to her.And Katie accepted that.And we're happy about that.I am, I, she actually gave her a real apology.I don't, she didn't really give that to, um, to, to, to, to Ryan.I felt it didn't feel, it didn't feel as genuine.Yeah.
30:33Right.Uh, but she did do that.But when it came to Chelsea, their whole exchange, I made some notes about that.know if you guys want to go, but I'm making notes about that. Let's hear the notes. Bring up the notes, babe. Yeah, because she basically said, Katie said to Victoria, after Victoria said, well, I was called a bully and, you know, these things came for me. And she was like, well, you probably were. That's what Ryan said to her. And then Katie basically said, any hate that people are getting on the internet, they deserve it. And Chelsea was saying, excuse me, what?No. And I don't know if it really came through on the show, but I got what Chelsea was trying to say.I agree. What she was trying to say is if someone's calling someone, I know that there were people who were talking a lot of shit to Serena, Serena C about being Asian, right? Like, that's not okay.No matter what she did or what she said, that's not okay. And I think what Chelsea was trying to say is,when people come and get hate because of the way that they look or the way that they speak or someone, you know, like Victoria had her eye thing or, you know, body shaming. And Katie said that, that's not okay. But there are people who are getting a lot of hate for all of these physical things. And I think what Chelsea was trying to say is, is regardless if you were in the drama or not, like, that's not cool. Hate's not okay. Yeah. Yeah. Like Katie said it was their karma. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. And it's like, that's not karma. I can't change.
32:11my skin color. I can't change that I'm Asian or black or, you know, for any of the girls who aregetting that type of hate. So I think that was the real point that Chelsea was trying to makethere. Katie made sure that she said, I don't think that body shaming or this or that isappropriate. And so, again, the whole point of the women's hell all is to have these conversationsand in the sense that the way that Chelsea took what she was saying, she was saying, but wait aminute? What about this unrepresented side? And Katie was saying, no, no, no, if you were a person who wasbasically calling people hoes and now you're getting hate for that particular thing, then that is yourkarma for that specific thing. You know? What do you guys think? I think Katie was speaking more to,
32:54like, I think when she said karma, she maybe mentioned more of like the situational karma. Like,you said this. You were bullying. You, you know, called these women whores and hose and JV squad andall the things. That, I think, is what she was referring to.Right.But, yeah, I don't think Katie would ever condone body shaming,hating somebody for the way that they speak, the way that they look.Like, so.Right, right, right.
33:19She's positive.Yeah.Yeah.Exactly.I don't know that.Yeah.So it was, it was good because it's like there was a lot of, and I think watching it back,too, there's a lot of misunderstanding.
33:32But the same thing that happened with Katie to.too was I think one thing that I mean we have to bring this up we haven't brought it up yetSarah was a big part of the season she wasn't there you know I completely forgot about SarahI didn't even think about oh my gosh I thought she was going to come out in the back aftereverything I thought she's going to come in hand-to-hand with Matt and be like now this is messed upor would she easy no I forgot about her too to be honest with you but I do but I do think that it'sgreat that, you know, people brought up Sarah and Katie and Sarah had a full, it was, it went fullcircle. It was like, she interrupted me. I confronted her. Then I, you know, I said some things about
34:19her. Then I realized what her situation was. And then I apologize. And that was a full circle thing.And I think we kind of got that in the women's hell all as well, you know, is it being cordial,as we said. It was, you know, super chill. It was like people came full circle with confronting. Ithink Victoria and Ryan, they said what they said, regardless if they're ever friends again,they said what they had to say. And it's like, boom. You know, same thing with Katie. People saidwhat they had to say. And it, you know, and it seems like it's done. It's squashed, at least with Katie.One thing that looks like it became full circle, but I can only imagine, like, I don't know if it's evergoing to be this healing process was for Brittany, who had the first, she had the first hot seat in regards to
35:05the entire situation of her being called an escort.And I truly don't want to get into it of like that whole conversation.And I think Brittany said it best of like whatever your profession is, like own it.And allow people to accept you and give you grace for what you do.I just, I felt for Brittany because when she sat there and she's like, my life is ruined.When you Google me now, the first 20 things that pop off are these headlines of me being an escort.when it's not even true, I know like how the show can change public perception of people soquickly. And like the position that Brittany was put in, I don't even think it should have been
35:48shown or aired. I'm glad that her and Anna were able to talk it through. And Anna genuinely seemedlike it had gutted her and that she apologized. But I just, I feel so much for Britney.in this situation.Like, I don't know if it's ever truly going to go back to normal for her, like, pre these,these stupid rumors that aren't even true.Mm-hmm.What do you guys think?Like she said, even if they were true, still don't, like, that's not for you to,
36:23um, to put, like, put shame on that profession, but also put it towards someone and it's noteven true.I feel for her.I feel very bad because even in the clip that they showed of,Brittany. It was like she came through. She kissed Matt. She had the company. She said theysay to best for last. I mean, she was just coming with it. And I was like, yes. I love thisenergy. And then it was like, it was like, you know. A balloon that popped. Yeah, wounded.Just completely like her self-esteem. It was so hard to see that go go down so bad. And if anyone
37:00was trying to call her sensitive or whatever, no, like that's not the case. It's like it's hurtful.It was, it was, it was hurtful.It was very, very, I felt for her so hard, so bad for her.I did too.And to be honest with you, I hope that people can see that and like can take that with,I don't know, just think next time you say things about people.Yeah.And like maybe, I don't know, start a false rumor.
37:25You know what I mean?Because it really can hurt somebody and affect them, affect their family, affect their image.It's just not worth it.And if you feel that strong.Go to the source, people.Literally.If her and if they just had a conversation and she didn't tell Victoria, you know, Anna didn't go off and say all these other things to everybody else, guess what?She would have had a conversation and that would have been so much more powerful going to the source about it and ending it and deading it right then, right there doesn't have to go any further.
37:56I don't even like want to really get into all the hot seats because I feel like, A, there was so many.and like they're not as you know juicy to talk about but one that I do want to touch on is going down toAbigail's hot seat because she had the conversation with Chris there like when he read the tweetsI think was so meaningful but it was like I I love how Abigail talked about like this gray spacewhere you know she was born death she has these implants so now she can hear but she doesn't knowsign language. I think this was such a beautiful, unique conversation. I thought it was beautifulthat she had that conversation to, like, help all of us, educate all of us on what it's liketo be deaf and to be able to have implants, but not, you know, be able to read lips, but not
38:44the sign language. I'm glad that they highlighted that conversation as opposed to just onlyher relationship with Matt. Yes. Yes. I 100% agree. And like you said, I mean, I also do not knoweverything there is to know about the deaf community and there are people who don't know that andjust like it's okay to have that conversation like in in voice that becca you don't know everythingabout it natasha i don't know everything about tasha you don't know everything about it that is thewhole point and you know for any unrepresented uh underrepresented people so having more peoplewith disabilities, having more people that are just, whatever the societal norm is that we saythat is okay on television to teach us about their journey. I'm here for it. Let's be here for it,
39:41people. Open your eyes. Open your minds. Who doesn't love to learn? That's the thing.It's a lot of people who don't. I will say it's a lot. Should we really talk about that?Oh, God, it just baffles me because I feel like,And a lot of people that I surround myself with, like, their sponges, like, they love to learn, they love to be taught something or to have their mindset shift a little bit. I think it's such a beautiful thing. And that's how we truly grow and change and adapt in this world. And so, I mean, like, that's the kind of conversation that I was like, yeah, this is why I love women to all or the show. Like, when you have conversations like that, that are meaningful and impactful.Yes. And that community, I'm sure, was very happy to probably see someone.that is a part of their community on a show like this and have a real chance and she got afirst impression rose and she's and she's just a light she was just really a beautiful light on theshow and that's like the best part about the show is like you get to see like the impact you have and
40:38I think that it's great it's a lot bigger than people think especially like when you do carry yourselflike Abigail did you know what I mean but also not feel defeated by any type of I don't knowwhat do you what do you really would you like to call it characteristics that you might see as like animperfection. You know what I mean? It's not. It's not. We're all beautiful and unique in our own ways.We all have things that we all feel insecure about. But like when you see somebody that has the sameinsecurity as you and they're like talking about it with confidence, it really does help peopleout there. So, and I want to go Abigail. I love her. Yeah. And I want to give a shout out toAbigail because I'm sure that I can only hope that her inbox is flooded with people in the deaf
41:24community or who have a similar disability or impairment and who feel like now they can own itand make it a beautiful thing as opposed to like a flaw. And so I think Abigail is that light.I can only imagine how she's shaping, shaping people's lives and feeling like they havesomebody to go to. And so Abigail, thank you for opening up. I'm such an Abigail fan. I've been afan of her since the beginning. So is Tasia. I have to tell the happy hour listeners that Tasia onclickbait was a she wasAbigail fan from the beginningsince day one. Hopefully that just
42:00opens the door for more girls likeher to come on to the show. Yes.There's room for you too, baby. Okay, so let'sjust get into, we got to get into the man ofthe season because I feel like we haven't evenlike really talked about Matt that much.You guys, what did you thinkof the beard? Oh my God.
42:16I feel like this is such a conversation.I'm like, Matt,what are you doing?It's different. It's like, I like it's likeit, but also like, I don't know.So here's my thing.Here's my thing.I like it in the end up.
42:30Why did the hair from the top get so low?Yes.Like, why couldn't it just stay the same at the top?And then we just got the beard as the adjusts, you know, like that, the contrast is what's like, wait, I love a beard.I really do love a beard.But the low and then the, that was a little.Natasha, that is the same thing I thought.I was like, there's really a difference here.
42:53in the burliness going on on the upper, you know, chest up.But it looked very oiled and very well manicured.I did notice that as soon as he, like, sat down.I was like, ooh, that looks like it would be very soft.However, I think it threw me for a loop because I haven't seen one picture of him with the beard.Like, looking at his Instagram, like, from the past.Did you?Yeah, no.
43:14And so it just came out of nowhere.You know what I mean?So, like, if it's like a previous hairstyle, then I was like, oh, okay, like, that's just, like, his thing.But this, like, actually came out of nowhere.How do you guys feel about kissing men with that much facial hair?I'm here for it.I've done it.I don't mean.
43:29I don't think I've ever kissed a man with the beer like that.You have it?Sometimes someone like irritates the skin.Like if you have a strong makeup session with somebody and then you're like my, like I need tomoisturize extra on my face.What are you doing to these men, Becca?Maybe when there's like some stubble that's like really like scratchy.Oh my God.
43:50I've had a dry patch right here before.100%The stubble I get because it's like sharpBut like this this hairLike what? Like BeccaLike it's like a like like like what?I don't even know why I said thatBecause I don't even think I've made out with anyone like
44:06With that much facial hair that I could recallI mean maybe back in the day in my youthBut yeahYeahLike Matt I'm really here for your beardBut also at the same time likeWe can maybe likeIt's cut a little bit shorter
44:18Yeah I will sayI'm sorry to go back here for two seconds.Oh, no.As far as the hot seats, I just wanted to say this about Piper's hot seat, because I know you guys had her on Happy Hour, right?Yes. And we are having her on Clickbait this week as well.She's great.And I'll get into this with her on Clickbait, but basically her journey is the journey that I think so many women have that are afraid to open.up and then they get to a point where they open up and then maybe it doesn't work out but it just
44:55bursts open this new it seems like of all the women piper learned so much about herselfin this journey than like anyone i mean i'm sure everybody learned things about themselves butshe just the just the her being closed and then busting open and like feeling all the feelsand then of course getting um shut down uh which is always not fun butIt's like, I've got to shut down and I'm okay.And now I can go out there in the world and do it again.And one day it's going to work.Yeah.
45:27Yeah.Oh, you by birth, you're talking about it.It calls her the biggest kind of transformations.Yeah.Yeah.And she's one that we had on the podcast a couple weeks ago where she really, like, it's one thingwhen you're in the season and kind of have to, you know, put that guard down and open upand like let the flood rush out, if you will, of the feeling and the emotion.
45:51But she's also one that really went home, I think, and internalized a lot of, why did I feel thisway in this regard? What made me think this way? Who she really watched it back and took so much moreand learned so much more from that moment that talking to her, I was like, you, like, you aretransformative. Like, you've had this growth and she can speak on it. And I think that's a beautifulthing. And I truly hope, like, most people that come from the show have that. Like, I thinkeveryone, like there's no way you can do the showand not learn more about yourselfand, you know, like past traumas
46:26or like why you are the way you areor like how you can be better in the futurefor yourself or a partner.But she has really done itin an incredible way.You guys are going to love having her.I can't wait to listen to us.I can't wait.
46:39We got, we don't have Piperong, girl.We go, mm-mm, mm-hmm.Very good.My sister.I'm excited to talk to her.Yeah, she's, you know, and again.I had to bring her up.Had to bring that up.
46:47That transformation.that whole journey.She looked stunning.I'm here for it.Okay, yeah.So, Matt, so did you guyshave any standout momentswhen he was confronting
46:56any of the women,like anything that really,like, we need to talk about right now?Because I know we have more fun stuff to come.Nothing pressing, at least for me.Him and Serena.I'm still.You think?
47:10Okay, wait, that's true.You think?Him and Serena, I just,I don't know how to feel.I don't know how to feel.I feel. How do you feel? I don't know how to feel. I look at her and I'm like, you don't like him. But then she was crying when she was talking to Chris about time. And then I'm like, what? And then Matt comes out and he was like looking at her, but then looking at her, but then looking at her, but then turn it. Like, I was like, oh. Well, think about it. She's like the only girl that really turned him down and was like, you know? I know. I know. I don't know how to feel.I can tell us something.Okay, well, okay, I've, because Natasha, you say, like, I feel like he was so into her.
47:55I think, like, the situation very much so reminds me of, like, a Colton and a Cassie, a little bit where, but not that he, like, pressed her.Like, I think she wasn't as into him, but couldn't totally vocalize it.I think she, here's the thing, I think she, and this is just to me in my head thinking this, so I'm trying to put the two together.This is really intriguing.isn't right but it's like I think she appreciates who he is as a human just the fact that he was so patient so kind so caring so fun like he's this incredible human that she would want in a partner it's like all of the checklists are there but you have to be with somebody like you have to see how they interact how they like make you feel like is there that passion is there that drive like if rachel's on here she would say does he make your vagina dance like all the things there's so much moreShe's not dancing.Exactly.And so I think it's like, she has this internal battle of like, he's everything I could want in a partner and on paper.
48:55But there's just that one like, the click of like it's not there.And that's where I think she was struggling, but she couldn't a thousand percent articulate that to him.Or like, you know, it just.But the crying, the crying really did something to me.And I feel that and I felt that.And that's how I felt when she went home.And that's how I felt.And I feel like, but after seeing her mom and her having that breakdown when her mom said, you know, you had such a bad time in that last relationship, is it a self-sabotage that's happening here where she's just like, I was hurt so bad. I'm still not healed. My wounds are still broken open. If I go through this full process and he doesn't pick me, I will get just as broken as before. So I'm just going to.
49:45self-sabotage and take myself out because the tears were real yeah they were yeah yeahyeah if she wasn't really into him would it be like would she be crying like that i don'tyeah okay or if her family would have been like you really love that like do you think they wouldbe together like do you think she would have let herself continue on or do you think she wouldhave still like stopped it i think she still would have stopped it honestly like if she's reallybased it off of like the past relationship and the herhurt there. It's like she made like I can assume like you still need time. And she's young.Like she's still really young. Like she still needs to learn and grow and like spread her wings and
50:27fun and have fun. Yeah. I think even if the family was like, oh, he's great. Go for it. And thestakes are so high too. It's not like this is just a relationship where you can date her on andsee where it goes. But yeah, she needs to get on Paradise, have some fun, you know, mingle with a few men on thebeaches in Mexico?Does he she go on Paradise?I don't know.I don't know.I always like, I always get so excited to see like the cast and whatnot at Paradise.
50:55It'll be, I think people blow you out the water.Like, they surprise you.It's going to be.I mean, we have so, we have so many seasons now of new people.Like, we've, like, because we didn't, we haven't had a paradise.We have Peter's season.We have mine and Claire's.We have Mats.
51:15There's going to be a lot.And we'll have whoever the Bachelorette's people is.It's going to be.We have four seasons.New fresh meat on the Mexico beaches.On top of like the already like, you know, people from Bachelor Nation that need to go find people as well.Like my friends.Natasha, are you going to be leaving me?
51:35I know.Becca, are you going to be joining me?I mean.Natasha and I have talked about this.We're like, we can take team the bar like, well, you're great, but we need toI go. Obviously, we have to do a read the room for this week. And so I know we kind of touchedon it, but give me your read the rooms. I told you, Victoria. Yeah, I was just going to sayVictoria, 100%. Okay. I'm going to go off script a little bit and say, I'm going to give it to
52:01I'm going to give it to all of the haters who have slid into people's DMs with cruelty andignorant, nasty, hateful messages. That's who I'm giving the read the room to this day.this day, probably forever, but today for sure. You guys, take a step back. Don't get yourlittle tap type happy fingers and be better and be kinder and realize that it's a human onthe other end, reading what you have to say so you can go shave your back now. Bye.Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. That is a great read the room, honey. And I also want to say,and I said this on my Instagram, outside of the Bachelor world, we all are real people. Wehave real lives. Unfortunately, this week, I had to deal with some real stuff that happened in
52:51my life with people passing away. Nobody cares about that. These trolls don't care about that.They like, what you think about this? What you think about that? What you're going to say about this?Hey, stop. Stop. Stop it. Just, guys, stop. Read the room. Yeah. There you go back.Yeah, exactly. Like, life goes on real shit happens, like heavy stuff that not everyone,not everyone can and needs to respond to every little thing that happened, every scandal thathappens in the bachelor world. I would hope that four important ones, like, yes, you know,we addressed it at times, but like, we're all human. We are, everyone on the show, whetherpeople like to think it or not or, like, think that we're just characters. Like, we are people.
53:28We are not robots. We have hearts and brains and souls. Yeah, we're not just robots. Like,what did that be nice? So if we were, I just didn't care. Didn't give a shit for them. Send an automatedmessage, if you will. But no, we've got a lot of things to do. We're working girls.Thank you for sending your hate to me.I don't care.I'm just going to record her voice and come back to everyone.At first I was like, who the heck is?You guys, that was so incredibly fun.
53:54I mean, we really, we really do have to do this more often.So I'm just glad that you girls were able to step in, be here with me,to still be able to support Rachel throughout all of this craziness that's happeningin the world of Bachelor Nation.So thank you both for being here.Of course.Just across the pond.So always call on us if you need us,
54:13but also you have to come by sometime soon.You have to come to ClickBates.We can make Joe very, very uncomfortable.Let's just have you just surprise him.I would love to see him squirm a little bit.Oh, yeah.Let's put him on the spot.I'll just put him on the spot.
54:27Exactly.Thank you so much for having us, Becca.You're the best.You're the best, too.I love you, girls.And for all of our listeners out there,thank you guys for hanging out.We, of course, have a lot coming up in the next couple weeks,
54:40and we cannot wait to see what happens.Make sure you tune in next.week too because we have serena p on we have obviously not have had a chance to sit with her we saw her alittle bit on women till all but we really just want to sit down pick her brain get to know her forwho she is a little bit more and maybe you know how she was feeling in those last days with matt and whyshe really did send herself home so if you have any questions in the meantime any comments concernsguest ideas you know where to find us it's at bachelor happy hour on instagram and at batch happy houron both facebook and twitter and as always you guys if you never want to miss an episode
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