Bachelor Happy Hour - Tom Higgenson from Plain White T’s Stops By

Episode Date: April 14, 2020

Lead singer Tom Higgenson from Plain White T’s talks to Becca and Rachel about his experience performing on the premiere of “The Bachelor Presents: Listen to Your Heart.” Tom shares what it was like appearing on the show and his surprising connection to finding love on reality TV.Plus, Tom discusses the song that made him and his bandmates superstars, “Hey There Delilah,” and talks about the woman behind the song.“The Bachelor Presents: Listen to Your Heart” airs Mondays at 8 p.m./7c on ABC.Don’t forget to rate and subscribe so you never miss an episode.See omny.fm/listener for privacy information.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Of course, we have an amazing guest that our listeners can look forward to. And we really just hope you guys tuned in last night to listen to your heart because that is the new season that we are stepping into. We're discussing all things with the show, the contestants, the drama, the love, the excitement. I mean, if you didn't watch it last night, I honestly have no idea what it is that you're doing. Be honest. You've watched everything else. This is a new show. It's here. It's exciting. We're all home. You have nothing else to do. stop trying to be all hard about it. Like, I'm not going to watch another Bachelor show because we know you want to. We're doing it.

I have been so excited for this premiere because I kept saying, I feel like Bachelor Nation as a whole just needed something else to bring us together. You know, we don't have any other shows really to bond to everyone at this moment. So if you didn't catch the two-hour premiere, please go back and watch it because it really has so many fun pieces. Of course, just like your typical Bachelor, Bachelor at fashion, you have the love, you have the drama. you also have some music and of course our favorite Chris Harrison so you really get it all within listen to your heart and I can't wait to see where the season goes because we saw a lot go down in that two hour premiere one of my favorite things and I can't wait to break it down because we have a very very special guest coming I don't know about you Rachel but high school Becca was fan girling a little bit when we saw what I'm just going to give it away because we saw Tom Higginson from the plain white teas and everyone out there You have been living under a rock

If you don't know Hey there, Delilah, that is their hit So we saw him perform on the show We'll have him on our podcast a little bit later But I just can't wait to break it down Dig deep into this new show That hopefully like I said We'll bring everyone together

Becca, I feel like you aged me a bit Because you said high school And I'm like Actually Becca, for me it was college College Rachel I was obsessed with Hey There Delilah I don't even want to get into it because I'm going to talk about it with our guest coming up.

But I'm excited to hear what went down on that date and all the details. Because I feel like we didn't really get to see too much of it, which I don't know if it's telling. So hopefully Tom can give us some inside scoop. But before we jump to Mel and Matt's backyard concert, let's go ahead and get started talking about all the amazing contestants we got to meet from last night. Okay, Becca, I don't know about you, but we really didn't know. We said this before, but we didn't know what to expect with listen to. your heart. We knew we were getting Chris Harrison. We knew these, there were men and women living together.

We know it's this Bachelor pad times Bachelor times American Idol type show. So we knew we were getting a hybrid. But is it just me or were you shocked that they had packages like we did on Bachelor and Bachelorette? I kind of was, but I like it because it gives us a way to get to know all the contestants a little bit more. I mean, of course, we had talked to Trevor and Brie last week. So we knew what to expect with them. But there's so much more of these people that were seen. And I like it too, because it still gives you that the first night of like The Bachelor, the Bachelorette, obviously they didn't pull up in limos, but it still has that feel. But I like it because I just feel like there's so much more of a variety. And I mean, I just love, it's different from Paradise because

when people come into Paradise, you already know them. So these people are all new. They're all fresh. You have no idea what to expect, how they're going to mesh together. And so it was kind of funny watching them all walk in. And you saw more of some of the people and less of some of the people. But like even the little comments that some of the guys were making, I'm like, wait, when did you come in? Like, where did you pop out of? So I can't wait to get in more. But let's get into some of the people that we did meet.

So obviously we spoke with Trevor and Brie last week. Trevor is the one who says he's never dated a musician, but he also wants to live on the tour bus. And now he's the one who maybe America has seen before on American Idol. Right. So I feel like he comes in with a little bit of an edge. He's done reality TV. That reality TV show

was a singing show. So a part of me is like, okay, maybe Trevor might know a little bit of what he's doing. What's going on here? He's more of the experienced one. But then he seems so, I mean, obviously we talked to him so we got to know him a little bit better. But even just from his package, he seems

very humble, down, to earth, you know, dare I say it, Becca, here for the right reasons. I would agree. He also seems, and you say it like, you know, he should have some experience in the TV world, but he kind of seems a little bashful, like more timid, which I kind of find endearing. Yeah, and maybe his experience through American Idol did it. He's 29, I believe, so maybe age as well. Um, he just doesn't seem to be caught up in the fact that he's on a TV show, just he's there with a purpose. Same with Brie. We talked to Brie.

Brie comes from a big family. She's from Provo. Um, we know that she was recently engaged, called it off a year and a half ago. So I feel like she's, she's very open to the experience and what it could be about, but is definitely, I felt like she wants to find love as well. Mm-hmm. I think for those first two, they, they seem mature. they, I feel like they are going into it, kind of knowing what they're looking for in a partner. They have, from what I'm seeing, they seem like they have a good head on their shoulders.

I do want to get into, and I know we didn't see an intro package for Jamie, but she was the first one to come to the mansion. And Jamie, fresh out of the, what do they pull up in an SUV? I was going to say minivan, that's not right. but she was just like so full of life and like spunky and I have a list of notes and she just seemed kind of quirky and fun but she kept saying the first night like I don't want drama I don't want drama and what's going through my mind is like girl you sign up for a reality TV show you're going to get that drama which we see go down later which we will of course get into but just from the intro packages

is I want to ask you this because I have one of my favorites of who we saw and I want to know who yours was too Okay, I'll tell you my favorite first I was going to say about Jamie Two things I noticed about Jamie I agree with everything that you said Also she

Is clearly a fan of The Bachelor I just felt like she knew She's good TV She's fun to watch She's very into it She's exciting But I also was like She's a fan of The Bachelor.

She was just, her excitement level was on another level. She was just like happy to be there, you know? But Jamie might be one of my favorites. But are you talking about my favorites from all 20 contestants or from the packages that we saw? Let's start with packages and then let's do all 20 contestants too. Oh, okay. So honestly, my favorite from the packages was Bree. Okay.

I'm really a Bree fan. I'm a Bree fan too, especially after Time. talking to her, but she just seems like an all her own good person, but I have to say, and I'm not just saying this because it's my namesake, but Becca seems like such a little, like, I mean, she called herself a theater nerd, but she just seems so quirky and watching her package of like her doing like the little side tap dance across and like doing the musical theater. I'm like, I like, I like, I'd feel like we didn't see too much of her the rest of the episode, but I'm a Becca fan. I'm going to be honest with you. When you said Becca, I had to look

down at my notes to try to figure, who was Becca? She didn't leave an impression on me. And you don't see too much of her in the rest of the episode. I was really excited when I saw her intro package. And then I think there was so much more that took place that they just didn't get enough of her because of all of the other little drama that was going down. But I did want to see more of her. I'm going to have, now you've sparked my interest. I feel like I'm going to have to pay attention to her next episode. I really like Sheridan because there was no one else like him. Also, he lives in Texas. I'm from Texas. He used to live in Austin. I love that he lives in his car and he has named his car. I'm a fan of naming cars as well. His car's name Sheila. I want to have him on the

podcast to see how he came up with that name. Yeah. I mean, Sheila's a song. so maybe maybe but it's not it's not his genre of music it's ready but ready for the world you should listen to it's called oh shila it's a very good song but he stood out to me he was different so i was like okay like he's a a different type of character we're going to get but a necessary character for a singing show um i mean other packages we saw wait no no no no what should take on savannah what is your take on savannah i okay let me me see what I have. So for my notes for Savannah, I put, she seems sassy. And going in, that was polite. What did she say that she gets her way with guys though, which I'm like, okay. But I feel like

there's going to be, I don't know if there's going to be some drama down the road with her, but I feel like she can hold her own and keep people in their place. I just am more like, do you hear yourself talking talking about the way men react to you do you do you hear yourself i mean i just the level the lack of self awareness that she has in speaking about herself and how men are attracted to her and how she deals with them and handles them it was just a little too much and it was off-footing for me okay so i wasn't as into savannah brandon let me let me take wait like let me make sure I'm looking at the right guy for Brandon. Where is he?

Why can't, okay, Brandon. He would, yeah, he kind of looks. They seem on the same level for personality. Brandon, I kept getting, let me pull up the face cards too, but it was between Brandon, Trevor, and then who's the other guy, Michael Todd, who we need to get into Michael Todd in a little bit. Man. Between, between those three, I was like, I can't keep who is who straight. No, Trevor I got, but Brandon and Michael Todd, I could say that.

But Michael Todd, if there was a Jed on the show, it would be Michael Todd. That's what I kept thinking. No, you think they're alike? If there was anybody who was there, he said, I'm on a singing show. I'm here to be discovered. Let me sing every chance I can get. Let me play my instrument. Let me also let them know I am a songwriter.

That was Michael Todd. I mean, look at his. Look, just look down at your notes and look at his shot, his headshot. No, Rachel, as I was, so I, so I rewatched it again, just so I could make sure I have everything straight. But I was looking at his headshot and I was like, this is the one that they picked for him. But we just got to fast forward through the intro packages because he probably was like, I need to see all five shots.

That's the one that I'm going with. I don't know why you would have ever picked it. We have to post this just so, I don't know if our listeners can see this. somehow, but we'll show you guys one day. Fast forward to Michael Todd's first interaction. It was actually with Savannah, and I was literally coiling into my couch, like, oh, this conversation is so terrible. The moment when he looks at Savannah and they're sitting there and he goes, I like your

lips. I'm like, uh-uh, no, we've all been, we've all been that girl to have some awkward guy at some point in time, stare at us and be like, oh, you have nice lips. And I'm like, oh, that doesn't work for anyone. Don't do it. And she just sits there. And that's, maybe that's the moment where I kind of liked Savannah, because she just sat there and she was like, thank you. Like, she didn't play into it. It was just so awkward and so cringe-worthy. And I lived for that moment. But in my notes, when I have Michael Todd's name just circled and exed after that conversation. And X through his name. I was like, uh-uh.

He, I mean, I didn't even need him to open his mouth and speak. I got who Michael Todd was from the moment we saw him step out of that SUV. I was like, nope, got your number, know exactly who you are. He reminds me so much of some actor and I can't think of who. So if anyone out there is listening, who you can pinpoint it, please send it my way because it is bothering me so much. You know what I liked, too, about just when they all got together and I, I don't know. as people were coming out of their SUVs, meeting Chris Harrison.

Well, wait, who was it who said, the guy's name is Chris. I think it was Matt. Who was like, the guy's name is Chris, right? Chris what? And he's like, Hansen? And I was like, oh, you're almost there, Matt. So close. How freaking refreshing was it that?

Because, like, I feel like a shtick on The Bachelor Bachelorette is, I haven't really watched any seasons. I haven't, it's cool to say that. And then usually when somebody says that, they have watched. it. So I thought it was, it's nice that these people are kind of like, yeah, the guy looks familiar. I think his name starts with a C, a Chris, there's an H in there. It was like, okay, these people are, you know, here to meet somebody, here to sing, here to make music, make some love. And, you know, I mean, I think it was Trevor who even talked about from the jump a star is born. And I thought, okay, that's what we're going to get here. Yeah. I will say,

seeing them all together once all 20 of them were in the same room. It didn't, of course, it was their night one. It was their first time meeting everyone. And of course, you go in with hopes to find love and have a connection. But it just seemed less bachelorsque in that regard and more of just a party. I think the last guy, I think it was Brandon who walked it in. He's like, I'm the last guy. And I've just walked into this great party and I've missed half of it.

But it seemed much more chill than your typical night one. the Bachelor Bachelorette. Okay, Becca, you know how we do it. We could keep going on and on and on talking about that. And we will, you guys. Don't worry. But we have to take a much needed break because it's the moment that we've all been waiting for.

It's finally come. We have our special guest on Bachelor Happy Hour today. Tom Higginson from Plain White Tees is joining us now on the show. Tom, what's up? What's up, guys? How are you? Hello. Good.

How are you? We're doing good. Thanks for doing us. I'm really good. Are you in your closet, by the way? We are. We are. So it's where we get the best sound quality.

Some people have accused us of wanting to show off our clothes. It's not the case. It's our recording studio. Yeah, there you go. That's good. It looks much more organized than my closet. So that's good for you guys. This is a new thing.

When I knew that we couldn't be traveling for the podcast and had to be doing it at home, I'm like, I've got to clean this baby out. So it gave me a good excuse. And now you're getting an insight into our personalities. one of us cleaned up and the other was like meh so welcome day i'm more like you i'm a procrastinator so i haven't done like anything i've got a list of things that i want to do with this like quarantine and i haven't done anything so it's okay how are you doing in the quarantine are you safe is your family safe friends i mean yeah knock on wood you know everything's good so far everybody's

healthy um i'm doing i'm doing okay it's weird for me because obviously being in the band we're traveling nonstop, whether it's touring, playing shows, going to write with friends and stuff like that. So it's a lot of like an adjustment to just be in one place for a while. But it's, it's kind of nice that I get to be home. I have a 10-year-old son. So to get to hang with him all the time, it's a bummer. I haven't seen like my parents or anything because they're, you know, obviously doing their own quarantine thing. But we've, I've been FaceTiming every day with them, FaceTiming with my grandparents. So it's weird that like everybody has to be separated, but yet we're still like kind of more

together than ever in a weird way. Yeah. It really is connecting people in a different aspect. I mean, you know, before this, because I live out of state, I don't live by my family anymore. And I would probably call my mom at least once, maybe twice a week. But now it's like every other day we're FaceTiming. And so it's just bringing everyone together in a different way.

Are you still singing? songwriting, doing all of that. So I've been doing a lot of, I've been going live on Instagram like every few days, you know, and just kind of touching bass. I've got, obviously, I've got the plain white T's, and then I've got a record label

that I started called Humans Were Here. So between the artists on that label and then calling the plain white T's guys, we've been doing, you know, I feel like to keep fans connected, just doing things like that, going live on Instagram, posting, you know, just what you're doing

and having that little face-to-face, Well, I guess it's not face-to-face, but face-to-text or whatever it is. There you go. It's important right now. And that's kind of all you can do to stay in touch. We were supposed to be on tour in the UK during this time. And obviously, that got canceled. We're getting everything canceled.

So, yeah, you've got to just be creative and find ways to stay connected with people. I haven't really been writing. I wrote a little bit the other day. But, yeah, I don't know. Like I said, that's on my list that I'm going to get to eventually. But yeah, not much right. I feel like I'm holding the bar is so high. I'm like, oh my gosh, when these artists come out of this quarantine,

I can't wait for the music, the fashion. I just, I'm so excited because I feel like you guys are going to be inspired on another level. But speaking of, we're transitioning, I guess, from music to TV. You know, we're talking to you because you were on, listen to your heart. We see you on this episode or we saw you last night on the episode. I guess I want to start off with, have you ever done reality TV before? So our guitar player, Tim, he actually was on a reality show called Ready for Love. And it was so he actually-

Yeah, you know what? I think it got like canceled after like three episodes or something, but he met he actually met his wife on the show and they're married and they have two kids now. Yeah, super cool. Wow. So you believe in it. I do. I believe in it. I do. I believe. even. I don't watch any TV, to be fair, but I think that's my one experience with the dating reality shows, and it worked for my buddy Tim. So pretty cool. And we got to play on that show as well. So, you know, I'm kind of like a veteran playing for these, uh, the love reality shows. Do you, so when you make these appearances on the shows, you know, we saw you for a little bit. I'll listen to your heart. Do you get more nervous knowing that it's going to be filmed? Or is it kind of just the same feeling that you would go into for any performance? I tell you what, when something is taped for live, that's when I get kind of nervous because it's like, oh boy, I can't screw up.

This is live. This is going out there. But this was obviously taped a few months back, you know? So it was just kind of fun. I didn't really get nervous, you know. And they had it, they had the setup. I know you guys saw it, but the setup was really cool, kind of like an outdoor party, just people kind of sitting around. very chill vibe. So yeah, we weren't too nervous. It's cool. It seemed very intimate and

like you said, just chill, relaxed. So I'm jealous we weren't there. Yeah. Well, listen, you thought you were just going to be interviewed and you are. But at the same time, we kind of need you as the third co-host at this point. Because in the episode, we didn't get to see that much of the date. But you were there for the whole thing. And so we need the inside scoop about Mel and Matt that were on this date. So of course we want to know what your experience was like, but we also need to know what was up with that date, because we didn't see anything, honestly, other than you. We saw you perform, but we didn't see their interaction. Like we were on stage and, you know, we did our little sound check and everything. And then they brought the couple in and they were

there and we played our set. And then they came up a little bit with us and everything. It was super cool. We got to talk to them for a second. But then they ushered us out pretty quick. So it was like, you know they had their their date moment but we were kind of like trying to like peek in trying to see what was going on but they were like yeah cool good job guys like no yeah yeah well and after that date both both parties involved they're like yeah there wasn't too much chemistry so i was going to ask you watching them i mean did you feel that or was it so quick that you were like yeah didn't feel anything well it's tough because it's like they had just that was like their first date or whatever so i'm like okay it's a Weird, weird concept, and like I said, my buddy Tim did it with his reality show, but like just to have to meet somebody, go on this awkward date and have the whole thing be filmed and like just know in the back of your mind that like, oh, cool, millions of people are going to see this. Like, I feel like you'd be so kind of self-conscious that how would you actually like let yourself like be vulnerable enough to like actually get to know somebody or actually have. some real moments. It's a weird. It's a weird concept. So, yeah, I don't know that I, that I necessarily could tell if they were like clicking or not because knowing that it was like their first date, I was like, oh, well, who knows, you know?

Yeah. We have to tell you, I don't know if you know this, but we're like your bandmate. I met my husband, now husband on The Bachelor three years ago. Yes. Cool. And Becca's engaged to her guy. So it's like two plus years at this point, right? So we're. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's amazing. It's real. It works. And I will say my first, like with my now fiancé, his name is Garrett, with my first date with him, we actually were surprised with a country concert that night. So luckily we had the day to spend it together. But that night, we walked into this room. And it was kind of, it was a smaller concert setting too.

It was very dark, very intimate. But I think it depends on the person because with Garrett, I felt so open, so comfortable. Like, we had the best time at that concert, just dancing and kissing. But I will say that, like, had it. and anyone else that you maybe don't have chemistry with, it would have been so awkward. Totally. So, yeah, I can kind of see where they were coming from where they're like,

there was like, yeah, not too much chemistry. And if they, obviously, they've never been on a TV show before, so they didn't know what to expect. But Tom, I want to get into a little bit of background about you and how you got started in music, really. So we know that you and your bandmates had started playing my T's in high school, correct? So what's the secret to stay? I feel like it's like a relationship, obviously.

What's the secret to staying together and keeping that musical chemistry alive? Wow. Well, you know, it's funny. We're all like really good dudes that like each other, you know? So it's like we've had our ups and downs. And there actually have been a couple little, like, spidey, like have to break up the band members like through the years. There's been some crazy times, especially in the early days when we were traveling around in like a van. together and we used to tour like 300 days out of the year in a van so there wasn't like you

couldn't escape if you were like pissed at somebody or like annoyed with somebody you were you had to be like three feet from them at all times anyway you couldn't like run away a van not a bus a van i was like maybe he maybe he made a mistake when he said it the first time then you said it again and i said oh my god a van see now it's a little easier because now we have a bus so now it's like cool dude that guy's being a jerk like well i'm just gonna go in the back lounge and hang out whatever i don't need to see him for a few hours but yeah back then it was in the van so you're like he's in the bench like right next to you and you're like yeah you know so that was really rough but yeah in general i just think we're all we all are like brothers you know it's like we

fight sometimes but we all deep down love each other have a lot of respect for each other and i think musically as well same thing you know it's like we all definitely have our different opinions and sometimes we'll argue when we're putting songs together and stuff. But in the end, it's like, well, I know they're, you know, like they're giving their opinion that they really believe. So it's like, I'm going to, even though I don't think that's necessarily what I would have done, I'm going to listen to that. And we all just kind of compromise and, you know, just kind of make it, make the decisions as a unit and then put it out there and wish for the best. Yeah. I mean, it's a testament to you guys and why you're still together. I'm interested in this

because obviously listen to your heart is about love, but it's also about music and coming together and making love and making music. One thing we kept hearing, at least in this first episode, was the musicians were saying that, oh, I've never dated a musician before.

I've never dated it, and both the guys and the girls. So have you ever dated a musician before? Is this a thing with the musicians? They don't date each other? You know, I don't know. I did go on a date with this one girl that was a singer. and she was super cool but it's very difficult here's the problem here's why you don't date a musician because we're always traveling around and we're always we're never in one we're never quarantined

in one place for a long time you know so it's like it's very difficult like I could meet somebody on the road and be like oh my god that girl was so amazing and you know text her for the next week but like just because of the the ever-changing lifestyle like it's very difficult to really take that seriously or really keep that going because even if you did have a real connection or did have like something serious it's like there's just so much going on and you know you're not going to see that person for what at least months you know from now they even see for a second time to see if, oh, maybe there was a connection or maybe there wasn't. So, yeah, very difficult unless you find, most of the girls that I would, that I date or

like have dated have been either in California where obviously we spend a lot of time or Chicago, which is where I live and where I'm from. So, you know, when you meet people on the road, even though they are amazing and they could be perfect for you, you never really get the chance to explore that and really, you know, to see if it works out. What about groupies? um well you know you don't have to answer that well you mean band-aids band-aids oh is that what they're called oh that's cute haven't you seen almost famous have you seen that movie it's so good what do you think okay so if you had

your significant other in your actual band do you think that would work out in that way or would that just be too much time together? I mean, so one of the artists on my label is this duet group called Fairview, they're a duo and their boyfriend, girlfriend. And it's very interesting to see their dynamic because

it's like, man, if they broke up or if they're in a fight or if they're going through something like you kind of can't help but see it in like the songs they're writing or the live performance. You know, so it's weird. That dynamic I can't imagine it. You know,

no doubt that band Gwen and the bass player were dating when they first formed and somehow they broke up and they stayed together and they like obviously became amazing no doubt but I can't imagine I've had some friends um another buddy of mine was in a band with his girlfriend and she ended up leaving him for the band's manager which was so sneezing and so shady yeah yeah dating somebody in the band it was that's a whole new dynamic I don't think I could handle that one. I guess I think like Fleetwood Mac and so I'm like oh you know

you break up you date somebody else you know you're kind of all in the mix together it just makes for a good album selfishly selfishly yeah true there's plenty of drama to write about I guess right oh yeah I feel like that could keep the creative juices flowing for sure that's true no Tom I want I feel like I'm not the only one who needs to ask this

and needs to know this person a little bit more. But one of the most popular songs out there, it came out when I was, I think, in high school still. And I still listen to it to this day. Obviously, Hey, there, Delilah. Now, we need to know who is Delilah. So first of all, I don't know if you guys have seen this, but there's been this new wave of, hey, there, Delilah.

All these, like, people writing, like, the, hey, there, Corona. or just all these quarantine songs about Delilah. Like TikTok, it's like trending on TikTok right now. I don't know how, but it's crazy. So, yeah, the actual song is based on an actual girl. A girl that I met, she was, she's actually from Chicago. So I met her in Chicago. And she was friends of a friend.

I was hanging out with my one friend Kim. And she was like, hey, my friend Delilah is going back to school tomorrow. She's got nothing to do. Can she come? We were going to a concert. like can she come to the concert with us like yeah sure so we picked this girl up and as soon as she walks out her door i'm just like oh my god so beautiful and so she had a boyfriend so the whole night i'm just being goofy like i know there's nothing nothing really going to happen there

so i'm just like just being like i don't have any game i'm just like a goofball so i'm just like being funny or trying to make her laugh or whatever and um so when we dropped her off that night i gave her our CD that we had out at the time. And I was like, you know, I've got a song about you. And she's like, oh, cool, you know, whatever. And she left. And I just, that was my, my brilliant line, right? And so then she went back to school in New York the next day. And we kept in touch a little bit on AIM. Do you guys have any idea of that is? Oh, yeah. Oh, yes. Cool. So yeah, so we kept in touch on AIM. And she would like, like, she was like loving the CD that I gave her of my songs, you know, our album before the one with Hey There Delilah, obviously.

And she was like, she kept asking me, so where's my song? When do I get to hear my song? And so, and it was, it was always just super innocent, but it was just gave me that little dose of like inspiration that I needed. It was like, oh, damn, I guess I do have to write this song for her, you know? I do have to write her a song. And so that's kind of it. And so the first couple lines of the song came out of me really quick and easily, you know, what's it like in New York City? Tonight you look so pretty, you know. And then after I got past like that first verse, I was like, well, that pretty much sums up everything I know about this story. So I had to kind of imagine the rest of it like if I was in this long distance relationship with somebody,

what would I want to say? You know, someday I'll pay the bills with this guitar. And, you know, our friends will make fun of us and they don't get it and blah, blah, blah. And, you know, so I kind of wrote the rest of it, um, basically having to be a little bit more creative and, and think about if I wasn't, you know, in a relationship with somebody. And so then, yeah, that was kind of the, that's, that's basically the whole story. I did make a joke with her, though, when I first, you know, obviously admitted to her, okay, I didn't write a song yet, but I'm going to. And it's going to be the best song I write and it's going to get us famous and you're going

be my date for the Grammys. And I said all that before, you know, a note of the song was written. And so sure enough, it's, I don't know if it's the best song I've written, but it's definitely the most famous and, you know, got playing like keys on the map. And we ended up getting two Grammy nominations for that song. And so through the years, as the song came out, Delilah would come to shows and she'd be really cool and supportive about it. Like literally, we'd play in New York and she'd come and she'd be like hanging out at the merch table. after the show and like oh my god thanks for coming she's i'm like where's your where's your dude where's your boyfriend he's like oh he's waiting outside he didn't want to he didn't want to come in but he

like like so he like half supported her but was half like no screw that you know of course pretty funny um but yeah she was real supportive and cool and everything and so um so when we got nominated for the grammies i hadn't spoken to her for a few months you know we'd kind of check in every once in a while especially as the song was like blowing up you know we kind of had had some funny text going back and forth. Oh my God, I heard it at this place or, you know, cool stuff like that. Um, and so when, when we got nominated for the Grammys, I called her up and I was like, hey, I just got nominated for two Grammys. I'm like, remember when I, you know, before I wrote the song, I said, you do my date for the Grammys. I'm like, well,

you got it, you got to come. And she's like, well, actually, me and my boyfriend just broke up. Yeah. I know. So I was like, and I had been in a relationship. with somebody and I was single at that time too so I was like whoa is this going to happen this is like four years later or something after meeting or writing the song like is this going to happen like four years later after the song it's like a big hit and all this stuff and it was like a moment of time where it was like it just kind of was too weird to be to be true you know and so by the time the Grammys actually happened like two months later she was back with her boyfriend. I was back with my girlfriend, but we still went, uh, to the Grammys together and,

you know, kind of shared the, the fun of it. And it was like a very platonic night, but it was, it was fun. It was like the prophecy had fulfilled itself, you know? Yeah. So do you still stay in touch with her to this day? Um, you know what? I haven't really talked to her lately. I did this, I was doing this, um, this live interview or something on TV in New York. We, when we put our last album out parallel universe they might tease we did a bunch of press in new york and this was just maybe last summer or something and um and somebody had said that like oh when's last time you talked to delilah and i said oh man it's been a while and they said well why don't you text her right now and so on the live interview i like okay took out my phone and i just texted her hey there

no and i sent it and she didn't write back oh delilah i know i know i know But to be fair, that was kind of like a cheesy-ass text. It's like the 3am-U-up text. Yeah, exactly. It is. I have to tell you, Tom, this is disappointing. Because at the time, at the time the song came out, I was living in New York City. Oh.

And you couldn't tell me I wasn't Delilah. I was, to everybody, I was just like singing the song. Delilah might as well have been Rachel. It was my theme song. I had an internship. And so for that whole summer, it was like my theme song. So it resonates with me. Just like Vegas at high school, for me, it's like a college experience.

And it's, you can tell the, I guess it stands the test of time, the fact that that song was written, what, like 2004, 5, I think it came out in 6, 7 when it started to really catch fire. And now it's 2020 and people are still using your song. Yeah, it's crazy, right? Yeah. And there aren't too many songs. Like, when I think of Hey, there, Delilah, I still remember exactly where I was the first time I heard it. What conversation I was having with one of my friends. And that's probably like one of the only songs that I can recall in detail, like the first time hearing it. So it's, it's a really special one. Yeah. That's cool. I just got chills with you saying that. That's so awesome. Like, it's crazy. And the fact that you said you have no game. It's like, you killed the game. You wrote a song, then you sing this song about this.

I mean, like, you have the ultimate game. Well, she, that's the problem. I can write a song about you. And it can be nominated for a Grammy. The problem is, is that the girl that you write the song about never goes for you. But it's always the, you get the other girls because of that song. But yeah, it's like, I'm serious. Like you can ask Tim, our guitar player, he's always saying that same thing.

He's like, yeah, what inspires you to write the song is like a lot of times, that longing or that, you know, it's like, shoot, I need to do something to get this girl's attention or to, like you said, to have some game here. That's my game. But a lot of times, she's like, oh, that's cute, whatever. And then there's all these other girls that are like, oh, my God, why don't you write a song for me? But then I'm like, oh. I'd be wearing a shirt that said, I'm Delilah, period. Oh, my period. You know what I made that shirt. We made that shirt back in the day and Delilah actually wore that shirt that's awesome I love that oh my gosh it makes the song so much better we know the background behind it I love this I'm not gonna lie when we get

off this podcast I'm gonna Google Delilah I need to know more about her now yeah she's beautiful I don't you know what it's funny I should reach out to her in like a non cheesy way and just be like hey how's your quarantine like are you okay you know maybe ask more than just What's up? Or would you say, hey there? Have you guys seen all those memes that are like, you know, like maybe, maybe don't tell me what it's like in New York City right now or, you know, just all that stuff? So funny. Perfect timing. Where do you find your inspiration?

I mean, obviously we get Delilah. We get where that comes from. Love the story behind it. When it comes to the music that you write, where do you find your inspiration to write these beautiful songs? I mean, you know, a lot of times it's just that kind of thing. It's like some little, little situation where either you meet a girl or you go through something and if it's just weighing on you a little bit, whether it's like, oh my God, she's so amazing or whether it's, oh my God, I feel so crappy about this thing. I got to get it off my chest, you know. Usually it's just something like that where it's like, man, this, I need to get this out. I need to say something about this, you know. A lot of times, it'll come from listening to other music you know like you know you'll be listening to something super fresh and you'll be like wow that's inspiring that's so cool and it makes you want to go grab the guitar or go write write some thoughts down because I don't know you want to tap

into that like excitement that you just felt by someone else's music a lot of times a song will come from a title you know like you'll have this clever little idea and I'll write it down on my notes on my phone or something and then you know a month later i'll be sitting there and you know just go through them and oh that was a cool idea and then try to formulate a song around that so it's all kind of different things you know i think it's there's there's a lot of people i read this book called um the the war of art and it's like how a lot of people think that like being creative is this like spiritual light a candle you know meditate and like hope that something comes at you from the universe or something um which

to an extent, there's that bit of randomness to it, but there's a lot of it is just, you know, checking in, clocking in. And like, you know, if I grab my guitar every day and just mess around with it for 15 minutes, chances are something's going to come out of it, you know? So yeah, it's like you just kind of have to have to make your own inspiration and just constantly be, you know, I love music and I love writing music and I love just the idea of a song, you know, songs are my world so it's like it's fun to just sit down every day and just hack away at it until you get something cool you you mentioned finding inspiration from another song so i want to ask then what is your favorite love song of all time and then also who is one of your favorite artists or

bands out there um so my favorite love song we actually the playwrights just made a playlist um of our favorite love songs you got to go check that out um yeah look it up there's a lot of cool on Spotify there's a lot of cool ones on there I had fun with it I I think I've submitted like 40 songs or something and they probably only wanted like 10 but you know I don't know if this is a technically a love song but you know that song yesterday by the Beatles yes of course like it's kind of a brokenhearted love song but but that song to me is the perfect song it's so beautiful and it says so much and it really does speak to love and the The fact that love can be very, you know, very fragile, you know, or fragile, I guess is the right way to say it, if you're not in France or something.

But, yeah, it just, that would be my go-to love song or basically any song. I think that's, like, the best song of all time. Okay. Well, we will definitely check out that playlist. We're actually putting one together for Bachelor right now. And so I'm like you where I sent in way too many options. And I feel bad for whoever has to go through and pick the actual ones that are going on there. Totally.

But it's like favorite movie, you know? It's like, how do you pick just one? It's like you've got to have all these different options. And two, it's hard when I ask, like, what's your favorite love song? Because like you said, you don't know if yesterday could be considered a love song. But I really think anything can. Like you define your own version of love. And so whatever song you choose, I mean, that's the one.

I love that. So, Tom, we need to hear from you. Obviously, we loved seeing you. We wish we could have seen more of you on Listen to Your Heart. But what is coming up for both you and the Plain White T's? Anything else that we as fans should know about you guys? Yeah, so Plain White T's actually are dropping. So it's been 15 years, actually, since the album, All That We Needed came out,

which is the first album that had Hey, There, Delilah on it. So, you know, you were doing the math a little while ago. And, yeah, Delilah first came out in 2005. So it's been 15 years. It's so crazy. But yeah, so that album, we're doing like a little reissue of that album, celebrate the 15 year anniversary. It's got a few added bonus tracks of like live acoustic performances

from that time on there. So that's what's new for Playing White T's. Obviously, like I said, we had a tour canceled because of all this. So as soon as this all lifts, we're going to get back on the road and keep playing shows and start working on some brand new music. We had an album that came out, our latest album, Parallel Universe. We love that. We actually played one of the songs for that little concert for Listen to Your Heart.

So that's basically what's new to play my teeth. For me, I'm writing with a lot of artists. Like I said, I started a record label called Humans Were Here. So follow along to all that stuff. I've got an 80-side project called Millian Myler. That's super fun. It's all like synth-pop that I'm releasing. So, yeah, just staying busy and just life revolves around.

music so pretty cool it sounds really cool we're excited for everything that you have coming up we can't wait like i said the bars high we know you're going to be inspired with so much you know creativity and i just can't wait to hear what you know you do what your record label does the artist on that and then also with the plain white teas so thank you so much for joining us on bachelor happy hour you know we hope to see you again on some bachelor franchise show you're in the family now all right yeah let's just call it call us up we'll do it it. Thank you so much. And Tom, if you ever need any more inspiration, feel free to write a song about Rach and I. Maybe you'll get some Grammys off of it. Who knows? There you go, Becca. Great,

great plug. Well, this is, you know, this is the most female interaction I've had in a while. So maybe I will be inspired to go right. Yeah. It's going to be called two girls in a closet. There you go. There you go. All right. Thanks so much, Tom. You be safe. Thank you. You too. Thanks. Bye. Take care. Bye. Okay, Becca, how great was Tom? I love him. I really do.

I could have kept talking to him. I know you could have, too. I mean, whether we were talking about, Hey, there, Delilah, his time on the show, his bandmate, finding the love of his life on a reality TV show. I felt like we had so much in common with Tom, right? I felt like we'd have done this before. He does have this special quality about him where I felt like he was just at ease and

natural, but I loved diving in to his story and history with Delilah. I've been wanting to know that for a year, so it was great to have him on the line. I mean, like I said, it's a little disheartening to know it wasn't about me, but not everything can be about you, Rachel. So, Rachel, you have your own season, okay, girl. You're right, you're right. My time is done. It is not my season anymore. But it is the season for listen to your heart. So what I find so interesting about all of these musicians, I don't even want to call them contestants, all these musicians that are in this mansion together, this beautiful mansion, much better than the bachelor mansion, if I have to say so myself, is that all of them have something in common. You know, when we walk in the first night,

it's like we all have something in common, we're all after the same man or woman. You know, that's usually what you have in common. You don't think you're going to get along with the people, at least that's how I thought. I was like, oh, I'm probably not going to make any friends. I'm going to be so different. And then you're pleasantly surprised. these musicians walk in already knowing we sing, most of us play instruments, we already connect because we share this artistry together. We all, you know, think the same way. So I think that that makes walking in the first night a little bit more welcoming and that kind of comes off through the TV screen, you know? Mm-hmm. Yes, yes. I felt like there was a certain warmth

when everyone was around with each other. It wasn't, like you said, when you go into night one, and you're all kind of going after the same person, there's still that level of competitiveness and a little bit of underlying tension. And in this regard, it's not because it's really like everyone has a free-for-all. Like, yes, you're all bonded by your love of music and that creativity, but everyone's still like, oh, let's just meet everyone. And it's like, I don't remember who said it.

One of the girls was like, I haven't even talked to all the guys yet, and I still want to. It's not like they're just going after one person. I mean, and so it felt like more warm, more welcoming, a little less, I mean, okay, I'm going to say this, it felt a little less like nerve-wracking, so to speak, but I will say if I walked in and I knew everyone was that talented and everyone was a great singer and probably played some instruments, I would be like, I am, I would be nervous, I think, to get around them and I would just think like, oh my gosh, when am I going to have to sing in front of all these people? And that's just me. Maybe it's just because I'm a terrible singer. But it had a different feel, which I appreciate from the show. Yeah. No, no, no.

If I had to start, you know, like, they were just like, oh, getting on the piano and playing, pull off the guitar. I would be like, I have to go to the bathroom. Excuse me? And I would just never come back. No. Like, Rachel, you as, you know, coming from your legal background, like, if you walked into a mansion full of 20 lawyers, how would you feel?

I don't know. Okay. So maybe I would feel different because I would know that I would know that I would. would be prepared. You know, I went to school for this. I've had the training for this. So I would feel confident in the skill that I would have. So, yeah, it'd be nerve-wracking, but at least I know I'd be prepared as opposed to, you know, it's not like we're on the Bachelor, Bachelorette. We walk into the room and they're like, okay, you're going to sing. Kind of like a group date. Okay, you're going to sing. You're going to dance. And you're like,

wait a minute, now. That's not my forte. So we see them come out of not limos, but SUVs. we see Chris Harrison, we see a mansion, we see that they have packages, and in true bachelor fashion, there's a love triangle, which was great with our girl, Jamie, who's good TV. Yes. From the jump, you know she's good. And I said this a little bit earlier in the podcast, but I love Jamie because for the first couple minutes that she's there, she's like, I don't want drama.

I just want everyone to have a good time. And of course, she's the one who said that. So she's the one who's going to get sucked into that most drama. We see her kind of go between both Ryan and Trevor not really know what to do. She's into both of them. They're both into her. And so I kind of feel for her. But I will say she is getting more of the Bachelorette experience, having multiple guys kind of fight over her.

Yeah, you can tell Jamie is a person who gives her all into whatever it is that she's doing. She has a lot of passion. She's a big heart. You can see she wears it a little bit on her sleeve. And so she's just all in. You know, so we see her. She gets there first. Ryan comes in, who's such a cutie.

They immediately hit it off. They're the first people to meet each other. And she's in. She's in that thing until Trevor walks in. And she's like, wait, wait, wait, wait. What's your name again? I'm sorry. Is it Brian or Ryan?

I'm sorry, because Trevor just walked in. I'm not quite sure. and which is a lesson learn people if you go on these shows you kind of can't put all your eggs in one basket because you just never know who's going to walk through the door but this is Jamie

this is almost like the essence of her what you love so much about her what is so charming because she goes all in so we see her in this love triangle between Jamie and Trevor so of course again in true bachelor fashion there's a day card

given to Ryan and who does he take, Jamie. Of course he does. And, you know, I feel for Jamie watching that, because they're both cute guys. They both seem sweet. They both kind of, I mean, throughout the episode, they both sing to her.

So it's like, I don't know. I felt for Jamie at the very end of the episode because I was like, shit, I don't know if I'd do my rose too. I would just have pulled a name out of a hat at that point, I think. And then we get, okay, another contestant who I really liked, who I so want to talk about, is Rudy. Now, I personally, from what I've seen of her, I personally like her. I think she, I keep saying the word spunky, but she just like seems to have this zest for life.

And I also really like, so I was looking up all the contestant bios and I was like, oh, you know, and this was prior to Rudy singing. I was like, I want to hear Rudy sing because she's, she has the pop R&B background. And so we see her, you know, kind of hit it off with Matt and be into him. But like later on in the episode when she sings and you feel like the passion behind her emotions. I was like, I want more of her voice. Yeah. No, Rudy, there's definitely a lot to get into with Rudy because Rudy switched it up, real fast, real quick, and a hurry. So I want to do Rudy, but I definitely want to finish Jamie, Ryan and Trevor, because something that stood out to me with Ryan and Jamie when they first had that conversation

was when he shared his story. So it's like, I get why Jamie falls for him. him because he's cute she already says that's my type you're the typical typical guy that i go for and then he tells a story about him having brain surgery when he was only six years old and you see him by obviously he fought through that because he is where he is today but he's also this insanely talented musician so he's got this story of i don't know if the word is redemption but just this story where he's a fighter you it resonates with you you attach that to him in addition to everything else that he presents in the physical way and as far as his talent. So it's like how in the world do you not pick a Ryan? And then Trevor comes in and she falls for Trevor. So yes,

Ryan gets a date card, takes Jamie on the date and they go to Capitol Records. Didn't surprise me. Didn't surprise me that they were going to Capitol Records. I had PTSD watching them pull up to Capitol Records. Did you do that? That's where I had a date with Chris Randone, aka a goose and did he write we had to yes we had to did we I don't even remember

what we did on that did I oh he had like a freak out panic moment and then we had to sing and I was mortified and so when I saw him pull up to Capitol Records I was like oh no but obviously like this is their profession so it's very different for them

these are two people that should be at Capitol Records they belong there Chris and I not so much. Yeah, I mean, I thought it was pretty cool that not only did they go to Capitol Records, which I wasn't surprised. I'm like, okay, musicians are going to Capitol Records, but then for them to go in, sing a John Mayer song, but then work with the music producer, John Azalea, who worked with John Mayer on the song. So it's, they're getting the whole experience, which gravity, Becca, gravity, I don't know what year that came out in, but I was going through.

something when that song came out. Like that song speaks to me in a whole other way. So when they were like we're going to sing gravity, I thought were Jamie, I would have been crying all the way through it. I would have been like, this song ugh, it's just, it's my favorite John Mayer's song. And even

before, so in my notes, before Ryan took Jamie on that date and we knew what they were going to be doing, I wrote that, where's my notes? Ryan equals John Mayer is what I wrote. He has the look. Yeah, he does. His vibe is like John Mayer. It just, and so when I'm watching them, I was like, of course they're going to sing a John Mayer song, because he's basically there. Yeah. I guess I

didn't put that together. So maybe they picked that because, I mean, who knows? But then did you, did you see though, moving on from Ryan to Trevor, when Trevor then sings to Jamie later on, he sings the slow dancing in a burning room. He actually sang that song to us. But I, I even said before he started singing. I was like, don't sing a John Mayer song. Don't sing a John Mayer song. And of course, he does. And I was like, Trevor would pick a John Mayer song after he knows. I know, but isn't that kind of, for me personally, I would want to switch it up and to have something so completely different than what she experienced with another man. Can we be messy for a second? Who's saying the John Mayer song better, Ryan or Trevor? Okay This could be an unpopular opinion But I actually like Trevor's voice

Better than Ryan Hell no It was definitely Ryan It was definitely Ryan Saying Ryan He didn't sing it as well When they were sitting by the fireside chat And they told him to put him on the spot

When he was in the studio And he sang I looked at I'm sorry Does that that voice just come from Ryan Whole another level He kind of has a Sean Mende Des-esque voice, I think. No, he looks like a Sean Mendez.

I think he looks like John Mayer. He does look like John Mayer to me, but I mean, like, I don't know they favor. Okay, I just looked up. Gravity came out in 2005. Okay. Around the same time, Hey, there, Delilah. Around the same time, Hey There, Delilah. This is a good year.

I was going through a breakup at that time. Yeah, that song. So, yes, I, Jamie definitely also was winning that night because she had two very attractive. talented men fighting over her in this first episode, and they both sang to her at the same time, too. So anyways, I don't know how you say no to Ryan after that date of him singing, because he also held her hand because she was really nervous.

And he guided her through that and really kind of carried her through the song. And I thought her voice was amazing too. It was. She's like, my voice doesn't match. It's not my genre. And I was like, girl, stop. You sound amazing. She, and that's why, okay, so fresh off the bat, when we first met Jamie, I liked her.

But then watching her on that date, I found her more relatable. I liked the nerves. I liked the fact that, yes, she's an amazing singer and she's on the show for a reason, but she still was hesitant and scared to do that because, like you said, she didn't think it was her genre. It was, you know, she was singing with this new handsome man. And so I liked that. I found it very endearing and kind of cute that she was more, you know, hesitant at that date, at that moment. Okay, I feel like we're jumping all over the place, though, but can we just for one second talk about, because we didn't talk about him coming out of the SUV.

Josh, so he was called another one of the guys said that he was the jacked Mr. Clean. He was the Baldi. I found him so attractive I mean his jaw line Everyone go back if you missed him Just look at his jaw line please I mean I remember cackling when the guy said The Jack to Mr. Clean

I was like wow that was really an on point comparison Kudos to him But he didn't really We didn't really see much of his personality And I'm such a personality person So I mean maybe he's great But I just that I couldn't get past The Jacked Mr. Clean

I mean, after that, he lived on a bottle of cleaning supplies for me, and I just never saw anything past that. So, I don't want to talk about the endings just yet what happens with this love triangle, but you mentioned Rudy and that fabulous voice of hers. So I want to talk about Rudy and Matt because we see Rudy hit it off with Matt super quick, and we're like, oh, we don't even need to keep, at least I was like, I don't even need to keep paying attention to them. This is a done deal. They seem to really connect. She's into him. He's into her. And then we see that awkward moment in the hot tub. In the hot tub. What did you take on that? Like, did you think it was awkward or did you understand where Rudy was coming from? No, it was definitely awkward. It was. And this is something that I wanted to ask you because Matt asked Rudy, do you judge a person by how they kiss? So Rachel, let's talk about this. And then I'm going to ask you the same question. It was weird because it's like I can see both sides. I can see why Rudy maybe wants to wait because she wants to still talk to some of the other guys and not, as you said, throw all the eggs in one basket.

But if you're feeling someone, you're feeling someone. And in this scenario, you don't have all the time in the world. So you really want to try to make a connection. And it seems like they were. It seems like they were both really into each other. And so when she, when he asks her that and then she, you know, goes up. underwater and then pops up and is just like talking about her makeup. I'm like, this is ruining the moment. Like he just wants to see like he wants a kiss. He's not being awkward like how

Michael Todd was saying, oh, I like your lips. Like he's asking her question about it to see where it can maybe go. So it was kind of a letdown. And I think that's where their problems started because then Matt walked away being like, I don't know. I thought it was going great and she kind of just like flipped and didn't want to like see where this could go type thing um it was it was awkward yeah i mean i definitely was like okay they're they're flirty you agreed to get in the hot tub girl you agreed to take off your clothes get into a little bathing suit get in the hot tub where things get hot and steamy you have to be close to each other you're wet I mean, and then you have your aerial moment where you dip yourself in the pool, arise, or the hot tub, arise from it, slick your hair back.

And it's like, you're turning this man on. I just felt like it wasn't awkward for him to insinuate that they kiss. If she didn't want to, I also understand that because I, too, did not want to kiss anybody the first night of the Bachelorette. And then I went all in with Brian because I was like you said back, I thought, okay, I'm just going to. be in the moment. I'm not going to push it away. But I felt like he was hinting at it. So Rudy could have played it better. She could have kind of been like, I know where you're going. I want to kiss you too. I want to go there. I like you. I'm feeling you. But I kind of want to save it for another day. Like if you get a day car, take me on a one-on-one or I'll take you

and let's save it for a second because I promised myself I wouldn't kiss somebody the first night. You know what I mean? She could have played it in a different way. Instead, it was like, you want to get out of the hot tub? Okay, let's go. Yeah, she's just more worried about like, oh, well, my makeup's running now and I look terrible and it was just weird. But Rich, I do want to ask you, because Matt asked her this, do you judge a person by how they kiss? 100%. I'm a kisser. I'm a kisser. But I also feel like I'm not going to judge you on the first impression. Sometimes maybe you're nervous, maybe you're a little awkward. So there have been times where I'm like, and this happened on the Bachelorette, I can rehabilitate you. I can teach you how to kiss better. Maybe you haven't,

maybe you haven't learned. Maybe you haven't kissed somebody with full lips like this. Maybe like nobody's taught you. Sometimes you should be taught, you know? The same thing goes for sex. So I thought, okay, I can rehabilitate you. That doesn't always work. Then I'm judging you by your kiss. Because if you can't kiss right, you can't do anything right to me physically. That's just how I feel like Kissing, that's like first base, you know? Yeah, yeah. Like, how we need to move? You need to have that part down.

How are we going to run the second if you don't know how to kiss me? Well, I won't put you on the spot, but I do want to know who is the worst kisser in your season. I'll tell you, I will, without a doubt, I can tell you off the bat who it was, and I'll tell you off camera because I like this person and I don't want to be rude. We'll share. I'm going to call you after this. We'll chat, chat. But I agree. I do think like when you

when you have that connection with someone for the most part I mean I've only had a couple bad kisses in my life like for the most part most people have been pretty good especially when you're into someone but yes people like you you need to be a good kisser. Yeah like it's a language with it

there's a movement a rhythm and if we can't get it there we're not going to find that rhythm anywhere you know? Thank you. So I do there's a song about it if you want to know if he loves you so it's in his kiss that's where it is oh I don't know why they I can I don't even know the rest of the words I just know that part I love that you're dancing if you want to know if he loves we did that last episode let's not

do that again cut that part out that was a fun game I want to do that every day no pass hard pass you could do a guest host um okay so okay so I totally understand Matt for not for reading Rudy like, oh, maybe she's just not that into me if she didn't want to give me a kiss. He was probably thinking, I read it wrong. So let me not put all my eggs in one basket and let me go talk to someone else. So I get why he moved on to Mel. I totally understand why he took Mel on the date. What I don't understand, because we see he gets a date card and he picks Mel and they go on the plain white T's date. And we didn't really see much of that. But what I don't understand is whatever this conversation was that Rudy and Matt

had that led Rudy to believe that he was taking her on a date. And then he makes the comment, well, I thought that's what I was supposed to do. And I'm confused. Do you, I'm so confused. Maybe you understood it. It was confusing. And I will say, so, you know, night one, we see that awkward interaction with Matt and Rudy. Go on to the next day. You really don't see Matt and Mel. talking that much. Like, you see the moment where he pulls her away to chit-chat, and then, of course, he goes and pulls Rudy. But, like,

when he was going to say a name to go on that date, I thought he was going to say Rudy. So I don't know where the disconnect was. Obviously, there's more that we didn't see go down, that they can't put into a show. But, I mean, and we don't see the moment where, apparently, as Rudy said,

Matt had told her he was going to pick her, and I wish we could. so we'll really never know, but, and. Do you think that he picked Mel to make her jealous? Like, he never was into Mel. He was just trying to see, let me see if this lights a fire under Rudy. I don't know. I think, honestly, I think it was just him being a dude and, like, not thinking straight.

I just, I never saw it before up until that point, him really talking to Melor, seeing any sort of connection there so and and of course we didn't see it on the date i just think he i don't know i think that there's a lot that we didn't see and i think that um i don't know how much i want to say here i think that like like paradise we've seen it before where you think someone's going to pick a certain person and they don't and i don't know if it's time apart deciding who to pick and And like, I don't know. I think that's kind of what played into it. But, I mean, rightly so if Matt did tell Rudy in that conversation that, hey, I'm going to

pick you for this date, I'll be right back. I'll come get you a little bit. I mean, I'd be just as piss as she was. I mean, I'd probably hold it in and deliver it differently. But if that was the actual conversation, rightly so, she should be upset. And I do love that she, well, I love that she told. told him off. At first I was kind of like, whoa, this is a little, a lot too soon. Because if I was mad, I would be like, wait a minute. Now I'm seeing a totally different side of her, which side is

the real Rudy? But then I understood if he did say those things to her, why she was upset. I was also, well, I don't want to say that part yet, but I was, I'm glad that she did that. But selfishly, this sounds so bad. Y'all don't get mad at me for saying this. I'm so sad that Rudy had her heartbroken that night. But raise your hand right now. If you were a little, you are a little bit. If you little excited that you also got that beautiful song out of Rudy because she was heartbroken. I said, whoa! Music can make the best, like,

the best songs. She sang that smile song. I said, oh, thank you, Matt. Thank you, Matt, for breaking Rudy's heart. So we got this beautiful song. Yeah, and we would not have gotten that. We wouldn't have heard her. Had he not picked Mel for this date. I mean,

like I said earlier, I want to hear Rudy sing more. Her vocal, like that, in that moment, you felt the passion, you felt the emotion behind her words. And it was like velvet. Like her voice in that moment. So I want to hear more of her. You guys, Rudy better get a rose next week and keep her because I want to hear more of that. Chris is insanely talented. And we didn't really talk about Chris because Chris and Bree hit it off and like there's no drama. Their natural surprise couple, but I'm glad. Well, okay, what I was going to say is even Chris is so insanely talented and he's always

on the piano, getting music started. And his reaction, when Rudy started singing, he was like, oh, oh, like, I wasn't expecting that. I was like, Chris, we are all of you at the moment. But what I was going to say about Chris and Bree is there's really not much to say about him because there's no drama. But what I love about the Chris and Bree relationship is that that's what makes this whole process beautiful.

You think you have a type. You think you know exactly who you're going to date because of what you've dated before. And then you step into this bubble, this world, and you have all the outside distractions moved away and all that outside noise. And you're really just focusing on what it is that you want for yourself. And you are so beautifully surprised. And it may be someone that you never thought that you were going to be with. I mean, like, I can honestly say that about Brian. Like, I was attracted to Brian, but I got to really see him in the bubble.

And now we're married. And so I see that with Bree and Chris. I'm like they're like a beautiful surprise. I wouldn't have known that they would have been together and I bet they would say the same thing. Well, and there, I mean, we didn't see too, too much of them in that first episode, but we did see a moment for like two minutes where they were sitting down kind of, you know,

holding each other's hands, touching each other's legs on the couch. And that moment, it was just cute. And that's what I wrote in my notes. It was a cute moment where she's like, I'm serious when I tell you, I feel like we have a connection and I want you to be holding my hand and he is reciprocating that. It's like they're kind of, I mean, it's like a new relationship blossomed. I felt like it's like that new young love, like where you get excited in high school.

And it's just sweet. It was just a sweet, sweet moment. And then one other little triangle that we see go down, and we'll just touch on this quickly, because it wasn't as juicy as the other ones I felt like, but between Julia and her two men, I mean, we had Sheridan who was chasing after her. And then also, it was Josh, right? Josh was involved too. I've, yeah, I think Josh.

Josh was really into Julia. Yes. So between those two, I mean, from how we saw the conversations play out, I knew at that Rose ceremony, she was going to pick Sheridan, because they just showed more. Like, he wrote that new song for her. He sang to her that night. They shared that kiss. Yes, she also shared a kiss with Josh. But I knew, I knew watching it.

I was like, it's going to be Sheridan. Hands down. Yeah, I'm glad it's Sheridan. I like Sheridan. He stands out. Thank God, Michael Todd. Okay, so we get to the rose ceremony. We pretty much see Jamie, surprise, surprise.

She picks Ryan. No, Jamie's Trevor. Because in my mind, she should have picked Ryan. That's what I was thinking. Poor Ryan, gave us all, went on a date, was like, what more could I have done? But thank God, Rudy saves him. Thank goodness she also doesn't give it to Matt. I like that she stood strong in her beliefs.

But we see Cheyenne, I think that's her name? Cheyenne gives her rose to Matt. Bree and Chris, of course, give it to each other. we see Savannah give hers to Brandon and Julia gives hers to Sheridan and Mel gives hers to Gabe because they had a bit of a connection to so I guess

oh thank goodness Michael Todd is gone the guy who was there just to advance his music career beatbox song write play the guitar awkwardly kiss people talk about nice lips I mean he was just the most he did what he came to do he was recognized now he can move on So moving forward

I mean I oh no we have to do a rose and thorn of the week My rose goes to Ryan because I feel like he gave us all poor thing and it still didn't work out for him So I'm hoping in the future it does And my thorn goes to Michael Todd obviously I mean the man had to go

He was a thorn in everybody's side this episode Yes my thorn would also go to Michael Todd Again I have an ex through his name That's all I have to say Uh, my rose, though, I'm going to give it to Rudy because she, I, and I know this is probably going to be an unpopular opinion. Some people are going to be like, oh, well, she was too much. She freaked out on it, Matt. It was over the top. I don't think so. Uh, and her vocals. Like that song itself hearing her sing, that gets my rose. Um, so there you go.

No, it was great. Okay, so we hope you guys, if you have, didn't watch last night, maybe listening to this episode, really let you know. that you're missing something great, and it's only the first episodes. So we have so much more to watch. We got a little bit of a tease, and we've seen some promos. So I guess moving forward,

we know that there are more people to come in the house, which I can't wait, because everybody's been insanely talented. Everyone has a story. So I'm excited to see who's coming. I believe it's going to be some women that are coming in. It has to be, right? Because we eliminated four men,

so we've got to get some women in here. We're going to be three new girls next week that come into the house and as we've seen in the teaser a shocking revelation is made about one of the contestants past relationships. Of course. Of course. Why do we not expect that? You need

some drama of a past relationship in any season people. Yes. And we know that they're going to be four date cards next episode. So that means more dates, more connections and probably more breakups, more dramas which is great, more drama. And I would imagine

that everyone was on their best behavior in this episode. So I'm pretty sure that we're going to see some things. All I can say is, it's been already known that I'm on an episode earlier. So I know you're about to see some true colors of some people come out because I saw it on the episode that I was on. And I'm just going to leave you right there. I'm just going to leave right there. No, I can't wait. Like you said, everyone's always on their best behavior night. One, that can't last very long. Um, So everyone, you're just going to have to tune in next week to see what goes down. And listeners, don't forget, we always love to hear from you.

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