Bachelor Happy Hour - Unraveling the Bandages with Jonathon!

Episode Date: August 29, 2024

Today on Happy Hour, we have the one and only Jonathon back for a deeper dive! We jump right back into our Men Tell All roundtable, getting a closer look at Jonathon's final moments with Jenn, the highlights of their relationship, and so much more. Plus, we also get to know his original limo entrance and what he's most excited about for Paradise! Tune in now to hear all this and more and be sure to subscribe so you never miss an episode! See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I deserve it. You know, lock him up. Listen to No Such Thing on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. No Such thing. Hey, everyone. at your happy hour. I'm Joe. And I'm Serena. And we are here today again. We had them on for a very short amount of time. And that just wasn't enough. Everyone, please welcome. Jonathan.

Hey, welcome. Thanks for having me again, guys. Thanks for coming back. How you feeling? Good. Good. You, you, we will start to, I guess we're going to go in order. But one thing we do know is that you are casted, officially casted on Bachelor in Paradise next summer. And before the podcast started, you started saying something. But we were like, wait for the podcast. So what were you saying? Oh, I was saying, so I'd never seen anything Bachelor related up until I was on it. You know, when I got casted for Bachelorette, I had some homework to go back and watch Bachelors so I could get to know some of the girls and whoever might be the Bachelorette. Now, going to Paradise, I was like, you know what?

I should probably do some homework, look into it, and who only has season four and five? So I was like, all right, let's go with the most recent one. And it just so happens to be your first season. And I literally just finished the episode where you and Leo get into it. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And he calls you grocery store, bitch.

And I lost it. I was like, dude, Joe and I are very similar. Like, we don't have to like go in and talk our shit. But if somebody starts being disrespectful, we're going to be honest. And you just walked up and made your point. And I was like, that's, that's the guy right there. Yeah, that was that season. So like that, I mean, I went into Paradise really being green, like, because I wasn't on, you know, I went home night one.

So I didn't have, like, any reality TV experience. He went home night one on The Bachelorette. So. So the season of Paradise that you're watching is basically like his first experience on reality TV. So that was, that was, yeah, that was rough. But no. need to rehash all that. You're like, that's not what I thought you were going to get into.

I'm glad that we're avoiding it. So you live in San Diego, correct? I live in L.A., so I'm in Marina D'L.A. And what do you, oh, Marina D'Lorei, nice, very cool over there. What do you do for a living? I create social ads for companies. Nice. So I pitched them on bundles as far as like multiple different ads from

being pushed towards like Instagram, TikTok, whatever it might be, write scripts, film them, edit them, send them back, work with different talent. Are you, do you work in an office now or do you work at home? Oh, fully. And then my business partner is actually my best friend

from seventh grade slash roommate, which is actually really nice. Oh, nice. Oh, that's fun. So how did you wind up on The Bachelorette? Yeah, so I had gotten a DM from, must have been a casting producer, and he was like, hey, do you want to talk about a show? And I was like, not really, no. He's like, dude, it'll be five minutes. I was like, okay, five minutes, I can swing five minutes. Like, let's talk about it. And then we have one call. It goes really well. He wants to talk a few more times. And then said, Daddy liked me, but then you just, you know how it goes. You don't really hear from them for months. And then by the time that they, like, kind of circle back around me, like, I'm over it, like, whatever. So they tried calling me multiple times.

And then I was on a trip up to Mammoth. And this is after they tried calling like multiple times. And I had like two of my best guy friends and two my best girlfriends in the car. And they're like, dude, you got to pick up this time. Just like hear him out. See what they have to say. Pick it up. And they're like, we've been trying to get hold of you.

We've loved you so far. we'd love to get you to talk to the producers and then they get me on that following Monday so that was a Friday that following Monday they got me set up and then I'm on a call with all the EPs and then they're pretty much like

all right gear up we like you but you got to go through the whole process of everything and yeah and then randomly one day they just reach out like you're ready to go wow no but yes

and then you're there in a cast or your whole bodies your what is it a mummy or your face was hospital gown wrapping yeah there you go what um now i heard that you had an idea before that one what did you want to do what was your what was your initial limo entrance i don't they know about this i know all all right I have my sources. So initially, I wanted to get dropped off in an ambulance, still wearing the hospital gown, and then I wanted to get out with like an IV drip. So like the walking IV bags, and I was going to put a bag of wine on there.

I was going to make her slap the bag of wine and then take a pole with me. And then that would be the introduction into the night. That is sick. I can't believe they didn't let you do that. Oh, my God. Have you done like, have you ever checked out of a wine bag? It's not really giving something you've ever done. Chugged out of a wine bag?

Yeah, like slap the bag. No. No, I have not. I'm right there with you, Jonathan. I don't know if that's a good thing or not. The crazy way to start a night off, but it's fun. That's so fun. Okay, so they toned it back a little bit.

Face bandages, gurney, a little less jarring, no needles involved. No needles involved. Was your butt being out originally part of the plan? I honestly don't remember. Like, were you like, I really want to show up a little bit naked? How did the gown come into play? And were you comfortable with the idea of your cheeks being out? Yes.

Yeah. I mean, it was more like either go half in or full in. And I'm like, I'm already going in a hospital gown wrapped in Gauze and everybody else is wearing a suit. I might as well go all out. So show up, cheeks out. and hope for the best. It was honestly, it was like 50 degrees that night. It was releasing too.

Yeah. You're saying that at the rose ceremony. You're nervous as hell, but you're also like, like frozen. So you're sitting there shaking and everybody around you. You're just like, dude, relax. It's not that bad. I'm like, maybe not for you, but I've been naked all night. Were you worried at all by covering up your face?

Jen would just kind of pain, you know, no mind, I guess. no i think the the problem is that i think i had the opposite reaction for what i was going for um it was more or less like everybody built up hype around like me being like this like immaculately beautiful person underneath and i'm like guys whoa not the point yeah and you guys severely disappointed when i take this off like i'm i'm not bad looking but i'm not some adonis that you guys are going to freak out about um so i think there was a lot of like he's so beautiful we can't look away yeah literally um but for jen no i think she saw it and she was just like hmm curious what's under there so when it came to her i think plan went exactly as it was supposed to

but the guys for hours on in that night like dude just like a peek like what do you look like under there yeah i feel like the curiosity also adds to it even with jen she's passing you in the halls and she's talking to guys, probably being like, what does this guy look like? Yeah. I think the group photos is the funniest part, though. You've seen where we're always standing on the stairs and the Jen's in the middle, and everybody's just dressed up, to the nines, and I'm just... I know.

I always feel bad for the people that come in in costume because you don't change the whole night, and it's the longest night of the season, and you're stuck wearing that. Yeah. Yeah, but honestly, I almost feel like, yeah, if it wasn't as cold, it's probably more comfortable than a suit, except for the face. gauze. Oh, that was bad. Yeah, that was bad because of getting a headache. Yeah, that's real. Honestly, I feel like when we were at the mental, they showed your entrance again and it kind of just jogged our memory of like the cheeky line and how you delivered it and everything. And now even just

hearing what your original crazy idea was for your entrance, I feel like we didn't get to see that side of you really for the rest of the season. We saw playful moments between you and gem, but I feel like a lot of the moments that we saw of you were a lot more serious. Yeah. Do you feel like your personality shine through? Yes and no. You know, I try to treat everybody. It's respectful and as nice as possible.

And like, that's one facet of my personality for sure. People please are through and through. But on the flip side of that, you know, there's the. goofy, weird, outgoing, like doesn't really care what people think side, where it's like, I'm just going to go out there and have fun and do what I do. And maybe that wasn't touched on as much. And I think that's probably part of the reason I was there as long as I was. You know, Jen's very much like that. But yeah, I mean, it's definitely something that I think people should know a little bit more about. But I think I do a good job on my social media, kind of showing people

that side as well. You know, you have this representation of like who I am. But that's one side. You know, there's multiple other. And one, that's what Paradise will be great for is kind of getting the show people like that well-rounded person that I can be. Yeah. I mean, I'm not about it. I still think I was represented really well. And I think it.

Yeah. Yeah. I think at the beginning, we see a lot of like fun clips with you and Jen. I think when things started just getting more serious because they had to get more serious, we started hearing more of your story. just kind, I think like your whole thing was in relationships was kind of like I kind of get my own way. Yeah. And do you, do you believe that? Is that a thing? Big time. And I think over the last few years, you know, I think a lot of people are guilty of it and you kind of hold these fears from your past over the present. And it's like that person doesn't deserve that, but

it's inevitable you can't really help yourself um and at the end like right when i went home you know i was just those tears and those feelings were real because i'm like you know i'm over it like i'm tired of not letting people all the way in or missing out an opportunity that's so great with somebody just because i'm afraid of what happened in the past when that person has no correlation to that person that did you wrong or anything along those lines so yeah it's just a it was a breaking point for me that was very real. And I think it's one of those things that people don't tell you on the show

that while it is fast, it also makes you process things really fast as well. Like, yes, it's, it feels rushed but when you are in it, it's, I mean, you guys, yeah, we got it. You guys went through it. You guys ended up

together after a month. Yeah, truly. Do you think you were doing that though with Jen or do you think you were somewhat breaking that habit during this season. Honestly, the first three weeks were a lot of, like, self-growth. Yeah. And I was like, I'm going to be the most fun I can be here so that she just wants to be around

that fun, free energy. You know, I think everybody's coming in trying to, like, trauma dump on you and tell you all their problems and tell you this and that and, like, try to find this profound love with you, like, off the rip. And I was like, I'm not doing that. I'm not doing that to her. I don't operate like that in the real world. I'm not going to do it here.

So when I got there, I was just like, I'm going to be the best me I can be, but also figure some things out. So by the time we need to start getting deeper and things get further on, we're like good to go and I can share those things with you. I never envision being with a woman. I'll just be honest. I'm Jamel Hill, host of the Sports and Politics Podcasts, Spolitics. On this week's episode, I'm joined by basketball legend, Candice Parker,

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Like when you think you were fully ready or do you think it's just you're there, you like her, you know, let's go with it? That's always a tough one for me because I think there's like layers to introducing people in my family. like my mom is like the most fun person on planet earth like I would bring a stranger to me my mom just to be like hey like have fun and she would probably take us like paddle boarding surfing snowboarding like whatever um I think in that moment you know it's it's one of those again it's a it's a fast experience so you're bringing somebody home to meet your mom and you're like hey we have a really strong bond um bringing them home was, bringing Jen home was nerve-wracking, for sure, but it was exciting.

Seeing like this world that you've been living in kind of meet your actual reality and the both just mesh together super well. It's like one of those reassuring things that you kind of need to see. Just because it's hard to break out of that. Like, hey, I'm on a show mindset. This is my reality mindset. So nervous a little, but more excited than anything. now where is your head at when you leave your family's house as far as getting down on one knee and an engagement you think you're there no absolutely not no okay no not not at that point at that point you know i got a lot of clarity that i was looking forward um which was hearing that i'm on the right path with the right girl and my family who knows me

pretty well, can see that there's a future with this girl. I'm not just in this headspace and this social experiment that you kind of like think about. You're like, oh, okay, these people actually see you with the girl you're with. And from that point on, I was like, all right, I'm not crazy for having the feelings that I do. It's time to actually like jump in. Well, your brother and your sister-in-law, it seems like met and moved very, very quickly. So it, must have kind of helped when you're coming in knowing this girl for a few weeks saying you might get engaged. Yeah.

Right? Like they kind of like broke that barrier with your family a little bit. Yeah. No, I agree 100%. And I don't talk to them as much as I would like to. But seeing them and kind of hearing their story and filling me in on it in that moment was also exactly what I needed to hear. You know, I think especially for the show-wise, too.

Like, obviously, the opening scene was them saying we met on Tinder after three weeks. We said, I love you. And it's just a direct correlation to how possible it actually is. So that was a really special moment, too. Did you know all that before hearing them talk about, like, the timeline of their relationship? Oh, yeah. I thought my sister-in-law was nuts when I first met her. Really?

She came back after, like, three dates. And she, her and my brother were drunk, and she just comes back. She's like, Johnny did talk to you. for a second. I was like, okay, yeah, it's going on. And she's just like, I love your brother. And I'm going to prove that to you day in and day out for as long as it takes. And I'm like, you're crazy. You just went to the movies. I thought like, what the hell is going on? Like, why are you telling me this? I don't like, you're like, good to meet you. You don't have to prove to me your love after three dates. I already think you're nuts for saying it. But like, you know, once you get into that mindset and you

meet somebody like that, you're like, oh, okay, maybe they're not as crazy as I thought. Yeah. So you, okay, so moving along, you go, you know, you make it to fantasy suites. You guys do do fantasy suites. Anything, any like, I don't know, any conversations in there that really just helped, where am I going? Solidify your feelings for Jen? It's kind of crazy because I don't think. I took time off camera to ask the kind of questions that push the relationship. So like you're at cocktail parties, you're at the rose ceremonies, you're at whatever it

might be. That's the time to ask those questions. You know, when I actually got down to the moment of being at a, when I was at fantasy, I actually just stopped and I was like, how are you? Like, I just want to know how you're doing. How are you with everything? How has this process been for you? How are you as a person?

Like, how are you really? I just want to know that. I want to know how you're doing. And I want to talk about things you enjoy, things you don't enjoy. Like, tell me it without having to, like, worry about maybe getting caught, slipping up or saying the wrong thing for a second. That's all I want to get to know. So I kind of took the fantasy suite. I took the fantasy sweet time to really just ask those kind of questions.

Did you have any idea? during fantasy suites or after where the other guys were in their relationship with her? Hmm. I didn't fully know. No, and it's, I mean, you're separated from from all the guys at this point.

You know, there's only three of us left. Yes, you guys don't really, you guys don't even, you don't even get the talk or feel it out. No, yeah. No. But I think based on our process, the way Jen and I kind of handle ourselves up into that point. You know, every week I went to each row ceremony, very confident.

I was like, you know what? It'd be kind of weird if I went home. Like, we just had an amazing conversation, in my opinion. Like, things felt so great. Like, it just would have felt like, you get home. You get sent home for that. Like, she must be, like, already saying she's in love with somebody if I'm getting sent home for that.

But then it got to this point. And, you know, I think that just felt different. the first row of ceremony I walked into and I was like you know what it's probably me like really you thought that I thought that and I think it's just like I think there was an X factor missing and especially watching it back I mean you can kind of see it like she's confessing her love for Marcus and devons saying that he's in love with her and I'm sitting there in this middle ground with her where like everything's great it's fun like we have no issues with each other no drama like it's just free it's easy but that next step isn't there.

Yeah, and your fantasy sweet date kicked off with you saying, she doesn't know me well enough for me to feel ready to propose. And I feel like there was a large contrast between like that kind of setting the tone of where you guys were at at that point in the journey and then seeing where the other two were at. It must have brought a lot of kind of clarity and reassurance watching the episode back. Honestly, a ton, you know, seeing the other two's relationship gave me all like the reassurance and clarity that I needed to see that it wasn't just like that I couldn't get there. Because that's very hard on yourself to just sit there and be like, it's your fault.

Like you couldn't get there. You couldn't do this. You can do that. But then you see her relationship with these other two guys and you're like, okay, now this makes sense. Like she clearly has so much love for Mark. And, like, that is a part of where her head's at that just, like, really shows us that she was able to get there. And then on the flip side, you have Devin, who was just able to get there so quick. You know, I think he got feelings for her faster than anybody.

And seeing that it just wasn't there was me just being like, okay, that's the closure of being like, what? It wasn't you. It wasn't her. It was just, it just wasn't right. Yeah. Yeah. Did you ever think about going into fantasy suites or at any point in fantasy suites being like, so what's the deal here? Like, who's going home this week? That's what I mean, that's, that's what I would do. That's what I would do too. Door shuts, cameras off. All right, buddy. What's, what's happening here? Just be straight with me.

And that's the only way. Neither of us ever ended up in a fantasy suite with anyone but each other. But did you ever think like, oh, should I just like, ask her like she might know she may have an idea ask her where her head's at and like push her for a straight answer or does it feel awkward and like because I could also see it being like I don't want to put them in a bad position if you do that and it goes south like then you kind of look like a nosy prick I think it's kind of fair to be a nosy prick in this environment

a little bit at times well let's see I mean before me does yeah that's kind of where I would go with it it's it's kind of weird to ask you know like it feels inappropriate right yeah like you're starting to get feelings to somebody and like you haven't known each other that long be like hey are you in love with somebody else like it sounds valid but in the moment you're just like this doesn't feel you're like I feel like a douchebag yeah and if it's almost like hey can I look at your phone really quick to see like how everything like you just in a rash you just don't do that and For me, I was just like, I'm not going to ask.

That's a good comparison. That makes sense. The phone comparison. Like that makes sense when you put it that way. Like a violation of privacy, ask that question. Yeah, it almost feels as if though, too, and like Joe sent, like, it's like you fall on your face. It feels like you just like are like insecure in your guys' relationship almost towards like, oh, you have to ask. Like, you don't believe in us strong enough, whether it's true or not true.

It's a 50-50 shot there. So it's like I could either hit. make and she'd be like oh my god you are in game for me like i love you so much or it's like oh well and then you're like yeah and then you're stuck in the room with them the rest of the night yeah yeah okay well this is awkward now um should i go somewhere else yeah you never i don't think you want to put yourself in a position where if you say something like it could just totally destroy your chances of being the one i guess but i mean you'd have to be like pretty confident and it was you to be asking that question, I guess.

Because the other alternative, it's not you, is just it's not really a risk you want to take. I never envision being with a woman. I'll just be honest. I'm Jemelle Hill, host of the Sports and Politics Podcasts, Spolitics. On this week's episode, I'm joined by basketball legend, Candice Parker, who stops by to discuss her candid new book,

The Can Do Mindset, in which she shares why she waited two years into marriage to come out. Like, when I close my eyes, at night, every night, I was like, I need to find my prince charming. Like, it was never a princess. Like, that never entered into my mind. But, you know, as I learned, sometimes life gives you things wrapped in a package that you didn't expect it.

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Oh, that's the run right. I'm looking at this thing. See? Listen to no such thing on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. obviously you're going through like your whole journey and your feelings and hers and your relationship and you're probably you know running it all back but in that moment who do you think she's going to choose do you have an opinion at that point like yeah like did you go home and you're like okay well it's not me i think she's choosing that's probably definitely

yeah that's so tough i don't know like if it came down to like a me and marcus because we're very similar individuals um i don't know like oh it's definitely marcus but you know i think it was like weeding out the two options at the end like him and i are very similar but she had more feelings for marcus so that would be the placeholder for that and then there's devon um and i feel like to an extent she has like this like unspoken draw towards Devin, you know, that she's always had. And we all know he's got a silver tongue. Like, you can talk left and right in circles wherever,

but he means what he says. And I think Jen saw that really early on. And, you know, he was getting first roses repeatedly, you know. So I'm sitting here against guys that are getting first roses to one-on-ones. And I'm just kind of like, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's interesting because some seasons, the contestants will come off the show and be like,

we all knew like they liked this person. Or like, you know, like we knew like these two or three were like way ahead of everyone else. Or like it was very obvious. And I feel like I don't know exactly how Jen was, but just kind of based on your answer and also what we've seen, she seems to be good at concealing like the direction of her heart like every week at rose ceremonies it could kind of go a bunch of different ways it feels like at least for us as viewers so it makes it an interesting season when it's kind of hard to tell well we we interviewed you live at the mentel all but just to touch on the mental all a little bit um overall what were your

thoughts on on the whole i guess the whole the whole night um a little bit of the drama and then just like Jen coming back? Whole night itself. You know, I kind of spoke on it a little bit earlier, but like I didn't partake in any of the drama really throughout the season. I wasn't going to start that night.

You know, it's a lot of grown men making a lot of noise that leads to literally nothing. And I have zero energy to put in that direction. I want to talk about Paul. positive things. I want to talk about people's wins, their victories, the good things in life. I don't want to sit here and talk about who brought a stupid book and who didn't read it. Like, I don't care. Like, we're established. We're 28 plus years old. Like, you giving a guy that hates you a book isn't going to change his mindset on life. Like, he knows who he is. He likes

who he is. You can offer advice, but it's not the end of all be all. And then outside of that you know i think um specifically too for like sam am you know he had he had a rough go at it the last couple episodes and i don't think he was able to really articulate what he was trying to say very well at all i mean we all kind of saw him bumble his words uh at the radio show and then when he came on at the mental all he spoke very clear very concise and for me personally like i'll never fault a man for trying to be better. You know, and you could tell in the genuineness of like what he was saying that he really wanted to do better. And he really reflected on like what it was that had went

wrong. So when he went out there, spoke his truth, spoke his feelings and was able to actually articulate it this time. I was I was proud of the man he's trying to become moving forward from what he saw. So that was all really good. And seeing Jen, seeing Jen was great. You know, we started off our relationship as friends. We just had to have. phone. We're like best friends that kissed, you know? Like, it was I said that. It was one of those kinds of the relationships, but then you take away the kissing

and we're still just friends at the end of the day. So seeing her, you know, had nothing but great things to say to her, told her I was proud of her. Did it feel, did it feel right, like, where you guys are at? Did it make sense? Yeah, yeah. I think it felt okay. Yeah, there was no

bad blood, bad intentions, bad, anything. I just want to wish her the best and I don't know how it ends but hopefully she's happier than ever. I still threw a compliment her way. I told her she looked kick ass in her dress and brought up this list of three dresses that she like kept

going. I know we talked about it in the last one. Brought that, that was like my last little compliment to her but it was good. Nice. Well, Jonathan, we appreciate you coming on and chatting

with us about all the things from your season. To end off, do you want to play a little game with us? Sure. Oh, and congrats. You are officially casted on Bachelor in Paradise, so that's awesome. Yeah, we will be seeing you there.

Yeah, it's crazy to get that. I don't know. I wish somebody gave me a heads up, but I was sitting there with my jaw on the floor while everyone was cheering. And I was like, I don't even know if I officially confirmed, but I think I said I'll see you on the beach, Jesse.

So we'll see. All the other guys had to work much harder. They were the ones. Yeah, they made Akeem put a spider on his lap to go to Paradise. They make you do anything. All I have to do is walk out and smile and say yes. I was like,

okay. There you go. That's the way to do it. Is there anyone, any girls that you would want to see down there? Anyone from your season that you'd want to bro out with on the beach? As far as the bro out part, no.

Only reason is just because the purpose isn't to bro out. Like if I have amazing friends. from there. Like, I love Jeremy, Spencer, Marcus, like, Devin. I love all of those guys. But, you know, first of all, one of those two last guys are probably Ogen, could be O'GEN. I don't know. So we'll see. But as far as the other ones, like, I would have a good time with whoever's there. Girl-wise, I don't know. I haven't seen enough of the seasons. I just, I kind of want to go in open-minded and just see what comes in. I don't want to put too much of like a pressure on somebody or something

and just have this big idea of who it is I'm looking for and then it ruins something good that's right in front of me. That's your best bet. And honestly, probably not have conversations through DMs

or try to keep those minimal. That's what I keep hearing. And I will avoid Bachelorination. It's a trap. Well, because the truth is like the show once in a while it works

but for the most part it does it. The show also does a pretty good job and now that there's been a full season or at ice like you never know who's going to be down there. There's going to be a large amount of people to choose. And what I do is like you don't want to start some shit with someone and then end up

meaning something that you actually really like in paradise. And then that comes and potentially fucks up the beginning of a relationship. It's also like a year until filming. So like, I mean, if you get into a relationship, that's obviously the goal is to not be single. Just do you best to behave out there. Let's play this game. Okay. So the game is just my type with Jonathan.

Rapid Fire Questions. all easy, fun. Service. So starting off, what is a deal breaker of yours? Deal breaker? Lack of purpose. Describe your dream girl in three words. Kind, silly, and spontaneous.

What's the best way for a girl to catch your attention? I just had this conversation with somebody the other day, like if they're at a wedding and they're like dancing goofy, but just confidently. I don't know what it is, but I'm going to come talk to you for sure. What is a green flag you look for when dating? Emotional intelligence, like very self-aware. What's the first thing you notice about a woman? What's your ideal first date? Ideal first date. Oh, I have one that is my favorite.

I usually go like Dave and Buster's dinner, walk. Dave and Buster is a toss-up because it just has to be activity. I need to know that you can hang, that you're fun, that you can get a little competitive with me. And then we'll get a more serious at dinner, have like a nice chat. And then everything goes, well, we'll go for a walk, grab some wine, or just chill out. It's a long first date. What's your... I got to make sure you get in early. I guess only if it's going well. If it goes bad at Damon Busters, it's over. No dinner. What's your biggest turnoff? Oh my God. I don't know.

Rap of fire, Jonathan. Reb of fire. Hygiene. That's important. Bad hygiene. What do you think makes you a catch? Open-mindedness? Do you date more introverted or extroverted girls?

Extroverted for sure. And last one, who is your celebrity crush? Billy Eilish. I would not have expected that She's honestly Her songs are Her voice is incredible Every time I listen to her

I'm like she's so good Her eyes are really beautiful I have an obsession with like singing competitions And shows So love singers But also just like her individuality She's not afraid to be herself And I absolutely love that

Nice All right Did you watch her on what's that David Letterman? David Letterman No You should go watch it It's a really good episode

That's a good interview David Letterman's interview with her on Netflix is like amazing. Check that one out. Jonathan, thank you so much for taking the time. I'm pretty sure this won't be the last. We're going to have you on this podcast. So good luck with everything.

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