Bachelor Happy Hour - We Need More Sam Picco!

Episode Date: November 13, 2023

Today on “Bachelor Happy Hour,” Joe and Serena chat with the greatest Canadian import to hit the beach since Serena herself, Sam P.! Sam P. has been an incredible narrator during her time in “Paradise,” and in her discussion with Joe and Serena, no topic is too taboo to touch. She shares her unfiltered thoughts on the many love triangles in “Paradise,” explains why she was totally in favor of Kat making moves on John Henry, and so much more. Plus, Sam P. speaks on her connection with Peter, sharing why they hit it off so quickly and where she sees it going from here. Be sure to follow so you never miss an episode.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly, and now I'm seriously suspicious. Wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, luckily, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend's been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone.

Hold up. Isn't that against school policy? That seems inappropriate. Maybe find out how it ends by listening to the OK Storytime podcast and the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Dr. Scott Barry Kaufman, host of the Psychology Podcast. Here's a clip from an upcoming conversation about how to be a better you. When you think about emotion regulation, you're not going to choose an adaptive strategy which is more effortful to use unless you think there's a good outcome. Avoidance is easier. Ignoring is easier. Denials is easier.

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Listen to next question with me, Katie Couric on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, everyone. Welcome back to Bachelor Happy Hour. I'm Joe. And I'm Serena. And we are here with Sam P from Bachelor in Paradise. Sam, welcome to the podcast.

Thank you so much for having me. I'm so excited. Are you good? We're excited to have you. You are, I'll just let you and Serena get into it because we have two Canadians on this podcast. I know. Okay. So I am a bad Canadian girl and I didn't watch Bachelor in Paradise Canada. So where in Canada are you from? So I am from St. John's Newfoundland. So it's the most easterly point. Actually, North America. And I actually live on a rock. You cannot get here unless you fly or get a boat here. Your accent isn't that strong.

No, I know every single time I, like, meet people that are not from Newfoundland, they're like, where's your accent? I honestly wish I had more of it. Well, because some people from Newfoundland do have such a strong accent. You have it a little bit, but it's like not that bad. Yeah, yeah. It's like when I do hard and hard, it's like, why? Yeah, that's like literally the only, like, East Coast accent that I have. What's life like on, what is life like living in Iraq?

Also, do you guys see the, we, you've watched Pee. Blinder's. Have you ever seen Piki Blinders? Yes. Yes. I think the last season, isn't he in Newfoundland in the last season? I didn't watch the last season. That I don't know. Okay. Okay. To be determined.

Go ahead. To be determined. But what, yeah, what's life like on a row? Okay. I'll try and describe it as best I can. It's like we have a lot of like what's called Jelly Bean Row. So it's all these like row houses that are like beautiful colors. And all these like tiny whining streets.

and it has a very European feel. So it's almost like you feel like you're somewhere in Europe when you come here. And we have such a large culture of food and music. There's so much talent here. And everybody is connected in some weird way. So it's just there's 500,000 of us in total, in this general area where I am, like the city, there's about a lot. $150,000. Every time I give out these numbers, someone comes for me. But it's very close-knit.

It's very small. You know, it's like help your neighbor type thing, but everywhere. So it's so close-knit and so fun. And the nightlife is so lively. It's just such a unique, a unique place. It's amazing. Yeah. Anytime I haven't been to these Coast of Canada, but I have a few friends that have like road-tripped it. And they always describe it as like, it's so vibrant, but it's still feels like a small town but it's like there's such amazing energy and it's like so scenic and apparently the real estate's like really cheap

in Halifax and on the East Coast so I really want to go but I have friends that will send me houses being like we should just all pick up and move to the East Coast of Canada well if we drove there from Canada or from Toronto how long would that take like a day or two maybe like this is going to be bad

depends where it's like five days four days five days Well, maybe to Newfoundland. Wow. Because it's a little higher up. No, I ask me that stuff. You're talking to two people who don't know geography right now.

I think by land, Canada's the largest country in the world. Yeah, I think we'll take a little bit of time. We're up there. We're out there. Wait, Toronto to Newfoundland driving distance. Yeah, five days seems excessive. But, I mean, you could be right. Okay.

So as Serena's schooling in this, let's talk. Okay. So it's a 30-hour drive from Toronto to Newfoundland. So you could do it in five days. No one's going to do it 30-hour strength. So two to three days. Two to three days. Two days. So Sam, let's talk a little bit about your experience on Bachelor in Paradise, Canada. For our listeners who may not have watched. Like I just kind of like your storyline and what really went down. Yeah. How did you get on and like give us the spark notes of your time there? So I got like a I got a call and you know someone said do you want to do this and I've been like Where have you guys been? I have been waiting for this phone call. What have taken you so long? They how did they get your number? Did you apply? Through the gram. Oh, okay. And then another another show that I was on before that one I think kind of put me on the map when it comes to What show is that? I was on Big Brother.

Oh, you were. Yeah. Big Brother Canada, I've watched a few seasons. It's actually, like, very good. It's so good. Yeah. So how long did you last in that show? So I was first in juries. So I lasted 41 days. And, you know, I won an HOH. I won a POV. I got in the showmance. I was on slot for two weeks. I did it all. I had the full Big Brother experience. And it was amazing. So I think from that it kind of put me on the map. And then I got the call for Bachelor in Paradise, Canada. And I was so excited. I didn't realize I was going to be first on the beach, not very first

person, but at day one, which was so exciting. I got to meet so many incredible people. Before we get into the people, my particular experience, you know, I went there with an open mind and an open heart, and

I fell for this guy, Cole, who was actually on Survivor. It's his first time in the Bachelor world. So we hit it off, like, day one. And I ended up in a love triangle, actually, which kind of just lasted the entire season. Some people would say I was the villain of the season. Some people would say I was the sweetheart of the season. Some people would say I was the comedian of the season. So I was a well-rounded

contestant. Let's just say that. And I learned a lot about myself and kind of like, you know, going for what I want and not being like one of two. And it was just such an amazing experience. And I think coming out of that wanting to be better and working on things was just the best part of it, to be honest. So did you end up with either of the guys? Well, obviously not. No, no, no. But I meant like short term.

Obviously, I know you're not with any of them now. But how did it end for you? actually it was like kind of dramatic you know cole had enough of the i think the dramatics of it all and he left paradise and i stuck around for a couple of days after actually because i met my now great friend maryland so i i managed to find a bestie along the way and we left together but you know cole was like i can't do this this is not the environment i'm not ready you know i'm not in the mindset to like come here and fall in love um and we've chatted a little bit after and you know he said you know i'm you know i'm sorry

i couldn't give you what you really deserve i wasn't really in that mindset in that environment to like go there and i get that i get that i feel like sometimes you got to be really vulnerable on these shows and if you're not willing to do that it can be really challenging so the survivors never survive it's the problem yeah the survivors never survived what no matter Joe isn't much big brother or survivor so don't take it is it's like Cole and I come from these competition shows where you're playing for money and you're trying to be strategic and like creating alliances and it was hard I think for Cole especially to switch that mindset to be like all right I'm actually going to try and really be vulnerable here and

try and you know fall in love uh so I I think that was hard for you. Yeah, I think that that makes sense that that checks out. Okay, so then how were you, A, shocked and B, how did it happen to that you made the trajectory over to Bachelor in Paradise United States? Well, once I watched the Canadian one, I was like, oh, wow, this is like, this was kind of enjoyable to watch. And I was like, I felt like I did a really great job. and I didn't expect the call for US but when I got it I was like yeah if they were going to

choose anyone from my season to go on to me yeah it made sense to me and I like honestly could believe it and couldn't believe it was actually happening at the same time so I was just like again a no-brainer like let's like let's do this this one I I wasn't, I wasn't like, where have you been up? Why haven't you called me? This one was like, okay, yeah, it makes sense. Let's do this. Yeah.

So on Bachelor in Bachelor in, Canada, we know that some of the contestants were from the U.S. shell. Like, we had Chelsea Vaughn, we had Austin. I think, did Demi make an appearance? Yeah. Yes. Demi came in to kind of shake it up, you know? Okay.

Yeah. She kept to do our own bonfire. Connor the Cat was there. So we had a couple U.S. contestants on your season. Did they give you any advice? Did you reach out to them, get any advice on maybe what to expect you into the U.S. season? No, no. And it's funny because I myself hadn't watched a lot of the Paradise seasons.

And there was only one before mine in Canada. So I came on there and I didn't know really who anybody was. And maybe I should have kind of reached out for some advice, but I was so scared to talk about it, to tell anybody. And the way that my season, like, ended, and then when it aired, there was, like, some, like, drama amongst the girls. So I didn't really know who I could trust and who I couldn't. So I was like, I've got to keep this kind of close to me.

And I wanted everyone to kind of have that, like, oh, my God, she's on the U.S. one instead of like kind of letting it trickle through my my my Canadian cast if that makes sense so I I kept my I kept my pretty cards I kept my cards really close to be honest and I think too going into these experiences without like a plan like I understood how it worked but I feel like going with like an open mind um was probably going to be the the best way for me to do it personally that makes sense so then what are the biggest differences from filming the Canadian one to filming the U.S. one.

It's so different. Really? Well, I know, so I know for the Canadian one, there's no, like, engagement. Like, if you wanted to get engaged, I'm sure they would, like, let you. But, like, it's more common that you leave

just in a relationship. But that's kind of the only difference I'm aware of. And I know they film in, like, Muscoca, which for people that don't know are like the lakehouse, woodsy vibes of Canada versus, like, a beach of Mexico. That's right.

Okay, so the U.S., very clicky. Interesting. So, okay, so let's just jump right into that. Because they pull people off of past seasons. So there's different friend groups already formed depending on what season of the Bachelor of the Bachelor of the Bachelor of you were on, whereas for Canada, like for Canada, you guys are not really knowing each other. It's like you're forming friendships as you go. Well, who on this season currently? Who are the clicks right now?

I feel like it's pretty evident, but I'm curious to hear what you said. So I still could be wrong. And again, when I came into this, it wasn't to leave with a bunch of girlfriends. I was, you know,

I was there to like find love. Okay? So when I came in, it was like, I'm the new girl on campus that nobody knows. And like, here's our friend group that we're so close. And we don't really have much interest

and like bringing you in. I mean, it makes sense that a new girl is a threat to your dynamic on the beach. So in real life, that happens, let alone in this particular situation. So like, let's say Kat and Jess and Kylie and Mercedes, I would say they were like real tight, like real, real tight. And then even when Davia came in, she, like, everyone knew her. Genevieve came in. Everyone, everyone knew her.

And Rachel knows everyone and everyone knows Rachel. And I had never heard of Rachel or any of these girls until I got on the beach. So it's immediately when I got there, I was like, okay, I'm not even going to try and put my energy there at all because I'll just waste energy that I could be putting into getting know the men. So I didn't even really try to like knock down those walls. now as we go through things and we get to know each other a bit more yes there's like friendships that start forming there but it wasn't immediate and it definitely like took some time too yeah I feel like that like we are seeing that and it's interesting because we talk to tanner and some seasons in the past you see like the guys bro out a lot and you're like okay and the girls are

like come on like we want to date you like what are you doing playing like mermaids in the pool but tanner was like this season like the girls were really tight And there was a very strong, like, girl group. And I feel like, you know, Mercedes, Kylie, Jess, and Kat are all from Zach's season. I know Jen is from Zach's season. And when you are on The Bachelor of Bachelor, right, you spend so much time with the other contestants, like way more than with the leads. So there's definitely a bond. But I don't know.

I don't feel like, like, so Joe and I were on season seven, I don't feel like we had that as much. But I also think we had a lot of different people from different seasons and very, very strong relationships. So it was a lot more of hanging out. out with like it was a lot more you looked around it was like everyone was coupled up versus like seeing like the girls drinking mimosas and then like the guys were in our season our season our season also came um off of the COVID break so there was there was a lot of time in between that yes but I do have a question just to touch on it right now because when you do mention the click um Jess and Mercedes are in the same click we do see last episode Jess and Tyler make out

Mercedes basically dating Tyler and then that doesn't really get addressed. We don't see like Mercedes and Tyler have a conversation. Mercedes and Jess. We don't really see like that close out at all. Was there something that went down that we're not seeing? My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly and now I'm seriously suspicious. Oh, wait a minute, Sam.

Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the okay story time podcast. So we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now, he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone. Now, hold up. Isn't that against school policy?

That sounds totally inappropriate. Well, according to this person, this is her boyfriend's former professor, and they're the same age. And it's even more likely that they're cheating. He insists there's nothing between them. I mean, do you believe him? Well, he's certainly trying to get this person to believe him because he now wants them both to meet. So, do we find out if this person's boyfriend, really cheated with his professor or not.

To hear the explosive finale, listen to the OK Storytime podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. I'm Dr. Scott Barry Kaufman, host of the Psychology Podcast. Here's a clip from an upcoming conversation about exploring human potential. I was going to schools to try to teach kids these skills, and I get eye rolling from teachers or I get students who would be like, it's easier to punch someone in the face. When you think about emotion regulation, like you're not going to choose. an adaptive strategy which is more effortful to use unless you think there's a good outcome

as a result of it if it's going to be beneficial to you because it's easy to say like like go you go blank yourself right it's easy it's easy to just drink the extra beer it's easy to ignore to suppress seeing a colleague who's bothering you and just like walk the other way avoidance is easier ignoring is easier denial is easier drinking is easier yelling screaming is easy complex problem solving, meditating, you know, takes effort. Listen to the psychology podcast on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. So in the last month, the Midas Touch Network beat Rogan, Tucker Carlson, Candice Owens, Charlie Kirk, and Ben Shapiro all combined. Conservative podcasts can have a major political impact, but the Myceles Brothers, three siblings with a serious media strategy,

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you knew about it. Absolutely the first time I heard about it. Really? The first time I saw it. So, like, I wasn't even in these conversations, like, at night when you're getting ready to go to bed or in the morning where you're like, where you hear like the chit chat. Like, that wasn't even in my realm. So, like, I had.

So interesting. And I wish, I had known that. I wish I had known that. There's things I wish I had known. I wish I was in more so that I could. I just it's just that information could be powerful in like play a bigger role definitely yeah yeah you wanted to like reality TV show it up a little bit and if you had that information you could have yeah got in your hands a little dirty anyway anyway like if you can do that then I can do whatever

yeah okay so you you come down at a at a very like interesting and opportune time yeah I mean you come down basically you come down during a row ceremony where guys need a rose to stay and basically by you coming down at that time there's really not much much time for you to make a real connection so you're basically just giving a rose to whoever you potentially have the best conversation with um but it you gave your rose to pete and you guys still seem to be hanging out so what is that relationship like what's the dynamic wait but before we get into pete you it was like freaking time for the sharks to feed when you came down to the beach like what was that like and like walk us through like talking all these guys like what was the vibe how did

you make that decision to go with Pete it was definitely overwhelming and I was like I was nervous but more excited and I just felt so much better that I had a rose it put me like in a whole different mindset so I was like okay let's do this let's like try and get deep like real quick and I knew that there would probably be like a revolving door of guys that are just trying to like get a conversation in before the row ceremony. So I was prepared for that. There was people that like like Sean and Aaron S that I talked to and even Michael B

that I talked to and it was just like immediately no. Like there wasn't like I was like okay is there someone else like anybody else? Yeah. Peter had number of, won the height, which I liked. And he had the age.

Not to cut you off, but you said Michael B. John B. John B. Right. No, you're right. But isn't that? That's the show. It really wasn't for you. Yeah, they just seem like real like little cute guys. I can like put in my pocket and like, and then Aaron S kind of had this like almost like this like I just got out of jail out of jail vibe.

But I was like, no, I don't really, I don't like that. And the only ones, I could just put him in my pocket. And then there was Peter who seemed to, you know, conversate very well. He seemed intelligent. He was 33 at the time was 34. So honestly, it was a no-brainer with that. Just like by far, like checklist most compatible chemistry most compatible, it sounds like. Definitely.

Yeah. And honestly, like looking back at your platter of men, like that he is the one that if you ask me like take a guess who she's going to give the rest of I'd be like he makes the most sense in my mind too yeah okay so you choose so you choose pizza what what is your relationship like now because for what for for I think the viewers and for what we see it there doesn't I don't know yeah yeah and like the little we do see it's like is there a connection is it just friendship it seems like a friendship is it romantic like phyllis then so I think like at this stage of where

Peter and I are, we're both very interested in getting to know each other. We're not part of the drama at this point because we're kind of just like in on each other and nobody else wants me and nobody else wants him at this

point. So we're like, all right, let's like, let's just get to know each other. So a lot of the times, you know, we're not in the scenes. We're just like chilling in the pool or we're like sharing a meal together. or like I love to ask questions and we're just like getting to know each other. What I love about Peter is he like, he'll like clear my dishes away or he'll like get me a towel

or he'll like he was very like just very just polite and like I'm just like an overall like good human being. So based off my previous experience, it was so nice just to have this. it's so nice to have this relationship that doesn't feel like there's outside threats, then it's just we can kind of like take our time and get to know each other. So that's where we're at right now. It's just not dramatic. Okay. So it's just like slow and steady.

Like you're enjoying each other's company getting to know each other. Yeah. Yeah. And then Peter's kind of in the same place you are. Well, I mean, he was, he was a night one person. And I don't know if you saw like all the FP stuff. So it doesn't, he doesn't have. any friends on the beach i'm assuming yeah so i you kind of like filled me in on the fp thing

and i was like i was so confused it took me a little bit of time for me to like wrap my head around that and be like yeah i know right uh yeah so i really tried not to let that you know affect my my like experience you know if anything it made me like look at some other people and be like why you really liked it that

you really kind of like that like level like to me that just seems extremely childish and all like see out of Peter is just like really good good human being that I don't think would ever hurt a fly or if he misspoke I think it was just lack of lack of like knowledge

and fully knowing what he was talking about and I you know I could be wrong I really could be wrong but I really feel like that was just like I'm kind of like a misunderstanding or like I don't even know so I really try not to focus too much on it it was like a little weird story for him to tell me and I was like almost like I felt like I wanted to protect him and and be like no

Peter's good don't do that is Peter is Peter your type or do you have a type no okay so we can keep going he's not your type i'm assuming was there anyone that you were interested in meeting coming into paradise i uh so when obviously when i knew that i was going on the beach the actual beach i was like okay i should probably like do a little bit of research and see who was on like i knew that the most previous seasons of certain you know

other shows typically they'll pull people they have people to come from you know but i like i didn't have time or the brain capacity or the attention span to like watch all the seasons so i just decided to land on hoping that blake would be there because he's Canadian plus i was following like some spoiler accounts that were like trying to hint at who was going to end up there and i when i when i saw this guy blake i was like yeah he has a kind face and he's just so hot actually and he's Canadian so I was like I want to

I want him to play for sure and I did I did talk to him when I first got there and not he wasn't he didn't give me anything it was like to the point where I was like Blake sucks

like Blake sucks so bad because I was really trying to be playful and like just trying to like kind of break into him a little bit and what I didn't realize is Blake is somebody that you have to get to know a little bit more before you really, truly see how amazing Blake is because he's such a great person. But at first, he doesn't let you in right away.

He's got a little bit of this, like, especially when he's trying to work on this stuff with Jess. So, like, I think I was just like, like, he's like, I'm going to entertain you Polali, but I'm not going to give you anything to make you think that, like, I'm going to pursue you or that I'm an officer for you. whatsoever so i was like i was like whatever like and i ended up apologizing to him so i was talking shit about you and i realized that you're actually such a great dude and i'm sorry that that so blake was also kind of someone on the beach that was just you know in his own head doing his

own thing opposed to like part of a click part of a group of people yeah okay what is your take on Blake and Jess's relationship. I'll just, to go back on that, when you say part of a click, part of a group, no, he was just focused on Jess. Yeah. There was, it wasn't like, yeah, it was, it was just, yes. Got it. And what's your, yeah, what is your take on, on their relationship at this point?

Because now we do see them get back together. Yeah. Yeah. Because we asked, um, we asked Tanner when he was on a few weeks ago, we did like kind of a run through of the relationships with Tanner as well. And his take at that point was like it seemed kind of surface level. It just seemed like, you know, they sit together, their boyfriend and girlfriend, but like there's not a lot going on there.

But he's obviously like, I'm an outsider looking in. You know, I don't know their private conversations. Now a lot has happened in the last two weeks with Blake and Jess. He went on that date. We see them kind of back together. When you're on the beach, you're kind of like looking at what's going on there. What's your take? I my take is like I'm bored with it first of all which which is fine I think the most healthy

relationships are actually kind of boring at times I do I don't think they should be filled of chaos and drama I think the best relationships can be a little bit boring okay maybe that's just their personalities that I was like okay I feel like just jess came in with this idea that she really wanted to do paradise the way that most people do paradise, which is like date around. And I think she was, she met Blake and maybe didn't necessarily expect Blake to be so into her and it made it harder for her to like pull away and want to do paradise, even if that meant coming back to Blake, which is, you know, know what we see. So I think she just didn't expect that paradise experience for herself. And I think

Blake kind of went in knowing what he wanted. And so they were playing, they just had different expectations of what their experience was going to be. And I think that's what's kind of pulled them apart and now, you know, circling back around. I think Jess, I mean, Jess is like, I think Blake is in his 30s. I think Jess is still a little bit young. So I think maybe the, you know, the age thing could be like you know Blake might be like Leslie you know I'm ready to like find my person to sell down and just may be like I'm still I'm here to date you know so I think ultimately that's what it comes down to for me yeah I think I think that I think that reads I think that makes makes sense what what are your thoughts on um the because we've been pretty opinionated

on the whole cat John Henry and Olivia situation and where we're at now we see John Henry chooses cat. And when I say opinionated, these past few episodes, it has seemed like Olivia's like is basically saying John Henry like is being manipulated

by cat and can't make a decision, but it kind of seems like John Henry's into cat. So I don't know. Just like what are your thoughts on it all? So I love Olivia and I love cat. And it's actually, it took me a little bit of time to get to know both of them.

But by the end of, like, those are, like, they're like a cop for me. I actually love that cat, went for what she wanted. I'm watching that being, like, go, girl, like, almost like I wish I had the balls to, like, do that. And I think it's John Henry's nature to be laid back and that he needed someone like cat to come in and be like, I like you. I want to pursue this. So I'm letting you know if there's any bit of something there,

like, let's go in that direction. And I think, I don't think he's being like manipulated at all. I think there was some attraction there to Kat on his end. And now he's just getting the green light to like move in that direction. I think it's good.

I'm, I support it, to be honest. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly, and now I'm seriously suspicious. Well, wait a minute, Sam, maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now, he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone.

Now, hold up. Isn't that against school policy? That sounds totally inappropriate. Well, according to this person, this is her boyfriend's former professor, they're the same age. And it's even more likely that they're cheating. He insists there's nothing between them. I mean, do you believe him? Well, he's certainly trying to get this person to believe him because he now wants them both to meet.

So, do we find out if this person's boyfriend really cheated with his professor or not? To hear the explosive finale, listen to the OK Storytime podcast on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. I'm Dr. Scott Barry Kaufman, host of the Psychology Podcast. Here's a clip from an upcoming conversation about exploring human potential. I was going to schools to try to teach kids these skills and I get eye rolling from teachers or I get students who would be like, it's easier to punch someone in the face. When you think about emotion regulation, like you're not going to choose an adapted strategy

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wherever you get your podcasts. I agree with you. I think he needs. he is so laid back he needs someone like a cat yeah passive almost that's like she is taking charge of that relationship and like he's not like

an innocent bystander he's like okay yeah like I'm doing for this too but she's like this is what's happening and he's like okay let's do it and she needs someone that's chill like it's a good balance yeah but did he like Olivia because it did seem it also did seem like he was into Olivia

it did um I came in and like I didn't really see I couldn't I couldn't see it like I can see when I'm there I'm like I can see Cat and John Henry and like it makes sense to me

I just didn't see the the dynamic between Olivia and John Henry for me just didn't work like it just didn't for me just didn't like make sense from a relationship standpoint whenever I would like see them it's like to me it's like a friend vibe but I think he

I think he was definitely like attracted to her and she's amazing and funny and such a great person, I just think that, I just think cat's more his type. Okay. When it comes down to that. And I don't know if he even knew

Cat was an option until she literally presented herself and was like, here, here I am. So I adore Olivia and I feel for her going through this because I was in that situation. I was in that situation in Canada where I, you know, I thought I had something that was going well and then seeing someone come in and trying to break it down.

it's such a crappy feeling and I don't I don't want anyone to feel like that I mean but it's paradise and you know what would be what would be your advice so you're you're saying you were basically Olivia in the Canadian situation correct what would be your advice to her um throw out the trash literally tie it up and throw away just be like let it go I'm not I'm not going to be like a maybe it's like a f yes or it's a no so it's like just gone even if even if that means you're not getting a rose and you're going home so be it let it go yeah I love that let them like let them like if he was to go date cat like just let him go let let them yeah I agree I like that too um were you surprised them when brayden gave his rose to Olivia and she ends up saying

shot because that was a crazy rose ceremony because tanner we didn't know where tanner's rose was going and we didn't know where brayden's rose was going and i'm like i'm like i got to get anyone with the girls because i am out of the loo of like what is happening and so i was just i was i think like i hope they should i hope they see more of this but my face was like this i was completely shocked like what that's kind of fun though it's kind of fun though it's kind of fun to be in that's it um okay so that you know the episode basically it's left on a cliffhanger michael walks down and he he you're one of the girls that he pulls what are you interested in potentially going on a date if you pete had this conversation about like exclusivity or anything like that so we hadn't we haven't had the exclusivity talk but i told michael that i told michael that would go on the date and I don't think Peter loved that okay but what did he you think he knew like do you think he did you think are you guys on the same page I feel like we had the conversation where I'm like yeah if you get us on a date you should totally go because we want to have the

full paradise experience you know how you just say that even if you don't mean it but I'm pretty sure I said I think I told him this is terrible I'm sorry I told him that I would go on the date what's happening right now is I remember having I remember like backpedaling a bit I remember being like that wasn't smart the guys have roses I just said I'd go on a date with somebody else and I think I remember being like I shouldn't have done that because I don't think he liked that answer. Okay. So this is probably the first time, like, you're moving from everything's just casual,

get to know each other's zone with Peter to like, you're moving into that zone of like, where is this going? What are we doing? What are the feelings? I kind of wanted to like, maybe test that dynamic and be like, yeah, I'm going to go on a date and be like, how do you feel about that? And then when he's like not okay about it, I'm like, I'm just kidding. I wouldn't go.

Love you. Yeah. Yeah. Well now I'm trying to fill you out I'm actually curious I don't know if you go on this date I want I want to know because the whole Yeah she got pulled

You did get pulled She got pulled that's why it's really between her Or Olivia Yeah Because the other two seem to be in more serious Relationships except for Mercedes Because who knows what kind of We don't know what happened there

Mercedes is in But the whole beach Really wants Olivia to get this date So yeah I'm curious to see Yeah What happens with you Okay while we're chatting about all the other couples, I'm loving doing the couple run down with

you, Sam. The one couple that I feel like we have the hardest time figuring out in this last episode what's going on with them is Eliza and Aaron B. We see Kat tells Liza about his ex-girlfriend drama. They have the combo. Charity comes down like so much unfold. And then Aaron B is like all in on Eliza and she's like, we'll see. Yeah. So yeah, again, that was like the meme where it's like the math equation or like that investigator board i don't know what like say called that's where you're like trying to put all the pieces together so i didn't pick up on that i got that from erin b because erin b and i would be up early in the morning and i'd be like you know hey what's up and he's like not feeling good not feeling great and like i kind of had to get filled in

and like honestly for me like ex-girlfriends or ex-girlfriends or a reason and i understand that maybe he's fumbling on the words trying to explain the situation because he probably didn't really feel like any of that was going to happen. I don't ever want to hear about your ex-girlfriend. I don't care about your ex-girlfriend until there's a problem. You know what I mean? So for me, it was like, come on, guys, you guys got something great here. Like, let's, like, focus on that.

Like, let's just move forward. To me, it screams more when you're looking for a way out. And you're like, you know, that's it. I'm like, I'm like changing my whole mindset around this situation. Okay, well, so I'm going to stop you there because that's how that is how I'm reading the situation. I feel like almost it almost is starting to seem like Eliza's not as into the into him and wants a way out. Yeah, like Joe's like I feel like she's considering if she wants to use this piece of information, this little bit of drama as her way out of the relationship. I that's the same way that I feel to be asked yeah I do yeah and like I think too when you're

presented the information from like someone that you don't know and it's in this world where you're like everyone's going to think I'm an idiot but what really matters is the relationship that you have and the person that you are presented right so I think it's hard to see it really for what it is and that if you don't push through that then most likely it is an out in my right yeah and you know we do see a rambi like i don't think he did the best job of explaining himself necessarily but i don't think he's necessarily like insanely guilty of anything here and he clearly is fighting for the relationship like he's trying really hard he's sending her breakfast he's like reassuring her so yeah he wants it to work he does

out of every man on the beach he is putting in the most work to show her that he cares yeah I can say that for sure. Okay. So who would you say as a stronger couple then? Aaron and Eliza or Avan and Kylie? Just from like the outside perspective at this point. Okay. Every couple needs to go through adversity.

There has to be a challenge to get through so that you're like stronger. So I would probably say Eliza and Aaron B right now because Kylie and Avin have just had like no like everything's just been kind of chill. Yeah. So I do feel like they're. Pretty close. Like, even and Kylie, like, there's no drama. There's no nothing. So maybe, yeah, there's a little bit more strength there.

Who knows what's going to happen if they go through adversity. So I do think that you've got to go through something to get stronger. So I guess I'll have to wait and see. You want to play a game with us? I would love to play a game. Okay. Let's play a game. Anyone, anything else you want to say, though?

Anyone you want to talk shit about or anything you feel is left unsaid? Any drama you want to let out? More. Sam. screen time like come on like let's just like hump it up even if it's just like gibberish put me out the screen let's go let's go that's it love it all right should we do it wrap fire questions all right so first thing it comes to your mind rabbi fire nothing just all fun easy questions are you more of an introvert or an extrovert extrovert what is

your go-to paradise cocktail i was drinking vodka soda lines um those always end up kind of watered down in my opinion yeah yeah you're right a little more soda and lime than is vodka what is the first thing you would buy if you won the lottery oh oh gee why are you what is your dating deal breaker uh rude rude rude rude rude rude people um if you could go on any other reality show what would it be dancing with the stars baby oh same is that a reality show yeah that's a reality show yeah um what is your love language uh words of affirmation did peter give you words of affirmation he sounds like an acts of service guy the way you described him yeah yeah yeah but when i needed it he did at times yeah what was the first

concert you ever attended adele oh that's a good one yeah first good concert no that you can't just pick the best one okay wait wait wait first concert like some 41 maybe oh that's a good one that's a good first concert um what is your favorite dessert uh creme brule what is the most important item to pack for paradise the most important item to pack for paradise myself tanner oh my gosh i'm dead um what is one thing that makes Canada better than the US oh just one geez all of our personalities compared to you i'm just kidding wow wow throws a dig at the people um all right sab thank you uh thank you so much coming on. Thank you so much for asking me.

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Well, Dakota, luckily, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend's been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone. Hold up. Isn't that against school policy? That seems inappropriate. Maybe. Find out how it ends by listening to the OK Storytime podcast and the I-Hard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Dr. Scott Barry Kaufman, host of the Psychology Podcast.

Here's a clip from an upcoming conversation about how to be a better you. When you think about emotion regulation, you're not going to choose an adaptive strategy which is more effortful to use unless you think there's a good outcome. Avoidance is easier. Ignoring is easier. Denials easier. Complex problem solving. Takes effort.

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