Bachelor Happy Hour - Wells Spills the Reunion Tea

Episode Date: November 23, 2022

This week on “Bachelor Happy Hour,” Bachelor Nation’s favorite bartender Wells is chatting with Becca and guest co-host Joe Amabile about everything that went down in “Paradise” this summer and, of course, everything we saw (and didn’t see) on last night’s dramatic reunion show! What couple is he hoping to see get back together? Where does he stand on the ongoing debate of itch vs. pain? What did he think of that hot seat between Victoria, Johnny, and surprise guest Greg Grippo?! Listen now to find out!  Don’t forget to rate and subscribe so you never miss an episode.See omny.fm/listener for privacy information.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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What's up, happy hour listeners? I'm one of your host, Becca Kufrin. And unfortunately, Michelle is out sick today. So I thought it would be fun to bring in one of our favorites and one of our, how did they say it in the reunion? That's your nation royalty. I still refer to you as grocery store, Joe. When we get referred to as royalty, it just allows people to just tear us apart.

I'm just like, please stop doing that. I said that last night watching it with Thomas. I was like, I hate, it makes me cringe. It's like, well, in your case, you are royalty because you and Serena were prom king and queen last year. So it's fitting for you. Well, in my head, I'm royalty, but I don't want other people to think that. No, it's, yeah, it's rough to hear. But it was fun being there.

I enjoyed it. I thought the energy level, it was pretty heavy in there, but I still had fun being first row for the drama. And I'm happy to be here on Happy Hour with you. Oh, I'm so excited to have you here. Not only because, like you said, you were at the finale, but you also, and this didn't make it because there was so much drama and everything else happening. But you and Sarina actually made it down to the beaches of Paradise. you did have a little cameo during the finale week. They cut that out.

And we unfortunately didn't see. Well, you know, I was, they cut out a lot of what Thomas and I did the week before too, so I get it. I just, I said that it's because whatever we were saying was terrible. But I'm just going to pretend it's because of all the drama that took over. But there was, it was interesting. I feel like the first episode this week, like that much happened. It was obviously like the make or break week where couples either stayed together or broke up. but the finale was unlike anything we've ever seen before so let's get into that we're going to have the one and only wells on to get his take on everything that we saw too very soon but before we bring him on joe catch us up on life we haven't had you on happy hour since you have been a married man yeah well you actually last time i was here i was engaged now i'm now i'm a married man yeah you're right you're right uh everything's good though how wild yeah yeah very wild i

I forgot what Bachelor account, fan account posted it, but there was a photo of you, me, and Tia, and it's like, let's take it back. Who would have thought that FECA is engaged, prom king and queen are married, and Tia has a baby on the way. Like, wow. Hey, there was something in the water last year of Paradise. We're all doing it right. It's, I know, I think, was it the picture of us all napping together? No, but that would have been great, but there is that picture, too. That's still my favorite.

Oh, my gosh, so many fun memories. I, like, I love you and Serena. Every time we're together, I just, you guys are so perfect for each other, but I was shocked when I saw that you guys got married. I knew it was coming, you know, like Serena and I have talked about plans, but, but I saw the photos and I was like, Joe, didn't you're a dress up for this? What, as bougie as you are? Well, we wanted to, we wanted to downplay it because we do want the ceremony that we're going to have next year to be like the big thing, but we still wanted to. We were excited and we wanted to get married and we just went and did it. And it was actually, honestly, it was a lot of fun. It took a lot of the pressure off. Yeah.

And now we could just plan on having a fun wedding. And we have decided that we're going to do Charleston, South Carolina. That's where we're getting married again next year. Yes. Yeah. Okay. What made you choose Charleston? Where are you guys getting married?

That's a great question, Joe. We were just between, I don't know, we were just between, like, we wanted to do destination for everyone. Most of our friends of family are Toronto, Chicago. We have some in New York, some in California. But we wanted to go somewhere that's warm, and we just figured, like, South Carolina is easy to get to for a majority of the people. Sorry for people in Los Angeles. It's not. And it's just a fun.

Yeah, what the hell? Cater to me, Joe. It's a fun little city. It's a great little getaway. Yeah. So, yeah. And they got good food. Such good food there.

I've only spent a day, and Charleston and I fell in love. So, hey, I'm all for this. I better get that invite, Joey. What are you guys doing for Thanksgiving? Chicago. We're going to Chicago. So Canadian Thanksgiving is actually a month beforehand, so it's in October. So we were, Serena and I, we just do everything twice, I guess.

We're basically. It's the way to do it. Yeah, yeah, we, but we're going to Chicago. We're going to go to my families for Thanksgiving, so I'm excited. I haven't been back there now in like almost three months, so I'm excited to go back. Oh, that'll be. so nice. I really, Thomas and I always talk about, like, wanting to go

visit Maury and Kenny, so we should plan a team trip back there for a long weekend at some point. Yeah, let's see it. We love, love, love, love Chicago. Okay, Joe, let's talk about this finale because, like we said, it was a very interesting one.

I feel like there's way, way, way more that went down that we will never see, and you luckily were there, so I can pick your brain a little bit on it. Like, what is some of the most wild shit that you saw on that stage between any of the couples. Okay, well, I mean, and I'll get into it, but the Victoria, Johnny, Gregg situation was by far the most wild. I mean, you know, being there and then like knowing all of them and just like rewatching it and seeing the way it went down.

But anyways, that was, that was the most wild. I was surprised, even though I knew because I had saw her in Chicago, but I, Tyler and Brittany, I was surprised that they ended it the way they did, right? Yeah, oh, totally. That seemed very abrupt too, and I feel like, and maybe this is just how things were kind of pieced together. Like, I feel like there wasn't even really a reason why. It was like, we were together, we met each other's families, you know, she started traveling, and that was kind of it. I will say, I understand relationships don't work out, right? Like, I get that.

We've all been there through a, well, you and I, through a public breakup, but I guess I felt for Tyler, like it seemed like he still didn't have the closure he needed. Is that the vibe that you got when you were there? Well, yeah, and that's how it seemed to me. it's kind of obvious like I think Brittany just got home and was like I was really into this guy in the setting on the beach in the moment and I don't I don't really like him I'm not that into him and there's no easy way to go about it so I think I think the breakup was seemed to be kind of sloppy but okay so this is something that I've said before And maybe it's just kind of like reading the room or reading people's vibes.

It feels like there are multiple couples that were on that beach this year, oh, every year, I guess, that there's like a certain excuse or like things are trying. How do I want to word this? Like the way people end things, I feel like, isn't totally direct. And sometimes, at least just once I wish, there was somebody who's like, look, you're a great person. I'm just not that into you. Yeah. We never hear that.

And that's, I think, the case in a lot of these relationships. I feel like that was the case, maybe with Eliza and Rodney, with Brittany and Tyler, some others, where I just, I want the bluntness at one point in my life on this show. Yeah. And I think it takes, I think it takes a little experience. You know, I've done it twice now. And when I went back the second time, I was very upfront and honest with Serena the whole time. and that kind of opened the door for communication. So we were always, like, we had the conversations about, like,

how do we really feel about each other? What do we want to do after the show? How are we going to actually make this work? I don't think a lot of the couples, I think they shy away from having those conversations because they're scared their love story is not going to make it. And then they go out in the real world and they're like, oh, fuck, we should have had those conversations

because now it's not, now it's definitely not going to last. And I think that's what happens You know, I was lucky because I did get to do it twice Yeah, no, Joe, I completely agree And I'm sure you went into your second time around on Paradise With a completely different mindset You knew certain conversations that you were going to have to have early on And that's because we were lucky enough to do it again

And I think like when you first go on the show You're kind of blinded by everything You're like it's all new you basically are on this vacation with your friends, you get free food, free drinks. And it is high, like this, like the sense of like finding a partnership and love is heightened. It's not a thousand percent realistic to go in and be like, oh, it's going to be smooth sailing after this. Like, you really have to go through life outside of the show to get to know somebody.

And I mean, you and I have done it. So we knew, but not most people coming on this show don't have that, which I kind of wish there was like a little check. going in of like, make sure you're talking about X, Y, Z before you find a partner that you want to leave the beach with. Definitely. And I think, and I think a lot of people

and I'm guilty of this too, like you get casted on the show and you're like, oh, sure, like, I'll fall in love if it happens, but I don't think it's going to happen, but I think you truly have to want to be in a relationship for this show to work.

That's like the biggest thing. Because I think a lot of people go on this show and go on Paradise and don't necessarily know if they want to actually be in a relationship. They're just like, I'll fall in love if it happens. Oh, yeah. You have to still be willing to put in the work and the time. Yeah. And like most people have seen, it's like it's not an easy relationship where you can just pop in your car and drive five minutes away to see the person. It's like across the country, you have to make time and effort.

for somebody else if you're willing to commit to them. Yeah. Which I think that's the hardest part for most couples coming out of the show. So when you bring up wanting to actually be in a relationship, let me get your take on the Kate and Logan situation because after everything is said and done and we've seen this entire season play out and their ups and downs, it seemed like Logan genuinely wanted to be in a relationship and I'm not quite sure where Kate Lambs. did what was the vibe on that stage for the finale with with the two of them yeah it just

the vibe seemed like the same vibe that they had on the beach where it was just like it was really to me it just seemed like neither of them were that into each other ever and their relationship was built on bickering back and forth and why they aren't good for each other um so honestly it felt like their whole relationship to me felt just like a waste of of time. And when what was the name of the girl that walked down late that Logan seemed to be into? And then

no. Oh, Lindsay. Lindsay. Lindsay. Logan was into her. It seemed to be into her. And then Kate said, like, don't go. But to me, it just seemed like Kate just didn't want it to work with him anyway. So he should have just went. I wanted Logan

to stand up for himself sooner in that relationship. because to me it seems like they both just wasted each other's time but I like you know I guess if there's somebody that would have been like a handsome rich man Kate would have probably been more into him

but Logan the whole like him not having money thing I just felt like that was hit over the head too many times and I was really just like this is just brutal to watch yeah and that's the thing it's like Kate you you wanted a

certain partnership. You wanted certain attributes in a partner that may be coming on the beaches of paradise you're not going to find at this point in the game. But, oh, I was going to ask you about, oh, this is what I wanted to ask you since you were there. So, we had Rachel

on the podcast a couple weeks ago, and I know she was at the finale too. And we had asked her, like, who had surprised you, who really stood out during this finale? And she said, Eliza and basically the conversation with her and justin and rodney was there anything that like we really missed as viewers from the finale that took place between the three of them because i feel like it was kind of brushed over pretty

fast yeah we didn't see any of of her and justin um and i think the reason for that is because they didn't work out and she went back to baltimore to see if it would work they clearly weren't on the same page and I feel like that was the same vibe I got from them at the reunion that they just weren't like it was just not going to work it didn't work out so I don't think we missed I don't think we miss much there were you surprised when she and not that she asked Rodney to give it another chance but made the comment of like I think we could still work out and be in a great relationship was that shocking at all I no it wasn't I don't it wasn't really shocking I think because Justin basically said no when she went back to Baltimore,

I think she was kind of like, well, in spite of Justin, like, I should have chose Rodney. And I think that's where it came from. But I don't think Eliz and Rodney would have ever worked out. It looked like it they would have. But she was clearly into Justin at a point. So that's a sign. line right there in my opinion. Oh, man. I've said it

before and I'm going to say it again. Rodney should have been Bachelor. But, okay, let's talk about one more couple that obviously stole the show. They stole everyone's hearts. The one couple that got engaged and I think we'll make it down the aisle and that's Brandon

and Serene. They seem just so freaking cute, so in love. And I think that they're already making plans to like be together, move in together, make this work, which I love to see. So any predictions or advice for the two of them? And I talked to Brandon a little bit after the show.

And my advice to them is just enjoy each other's company and have fun with it all because it is a great time. Like, this shouldn't be difficult. And if it is, then you guys have to go back and figure out why. But yeah, have fun with it. And there's a lot of, you know, we've watched. You know, I've seen this show now. I've watched so many seasons now.

That's crazy. You know, we go from never watching the show and watching it every day. To know it way too much. Yeah, I just know way to. I'm a freaking expert. But, you know, there's certain, you know, couples at the end of, if it's The Bachelor, the Bachelor at Bachelor in Paradise, so you're like, ah, I don't know if they're going to work. Like, I would bet a lot that Brandon and Serene will work out forever.

I really think that. And I think that's a great thing. And I think that's what it's about, right? Right. I agree. Okay, well, Joe, it's so fun recapping this with you and just picking your brain and getting your side of things. But we also need to bring on our guest because he lived through it all.

He was the storyteller, the bartender, the host at times. He's just the jack of all trade. So, everyone, let's welcome Wells to Happy Hour. Wells, we're so excited to have you back on Happy Hour. I think the last time we had you here was last year for Paradise, I want to say. So it's been a while. But since then, you've lived a full life. You are a married man.

How has newlywed life been? Yeah, it's been 84 years since I spoke to you last. 84. Everything has been great. Yeah, I got married. got hitched. Joe was there. He saw it happen,

so he can attest that I did, in fact, get married. We went on a honeymoon. We got COVID on the way back from the honeymoon, so that was fun. Oh, no. Yeah. And all the while, I filmed, obviously, Paradise, and then I have a new show on Hulu called Best and Doe,

where it's a pizza cooking competition. So fingers crossed, we get a season two because we need to get Joe on that show. I was going to say, get us, sauce. I know exactly what we said. I want to be on it. I'm watching it and I really enjoy it and I think I would crush personally.

Well, I think that, I mean, you can come and cook if you want, but I feel like you would be a great judge, like a celebrity judge that comes in and talks about Chicago pizza and all that kind of stuff. Yeah, I like that even more. It's less pressure being a judge instead of cooking. And then you're just going to eat good food. Yeah. And you'll get paid no matter what.

What? Like, you don't have to win the cooking competition to get some money. So that's what's important. I would love to be a handler. I would love to be a handler on this show just so I could, like, be behind the scenes. Take care of you fellas and then get some good food. Yeah, I gained some weight doing that show. I'm not going to lie. I weighed myself on day one of filming and then after, you know, two weeks of doing it, I had put on a couple LBs. But you know what? That's Hollywood, baby. Anything, anything for the show? Well, you look great. I got a question before, I got a question before we get into it. Your honeymoon.

Was that your full honeymoon? Because I remember, I thought you said you were like doing like a two-part honeymoon. Like you could only go away for a few days and then, and then like you were going to do a longer one. Yeah. So we got married and Sarah still had to film like the after show for Love Island. So we couldn't leave the country until that was done. So when we've got married. We spent like another day at the estate where we got married, which was nice.

And then we went up to Big Sur, which is close to where I grew up. And it's like a place that's like near and dear to both of us now. And we stayed there for a couple days. Then went to Santa Barbara. She filmed her like the after show for Love Island. And then we jumped on a plane and went to the Maldives, which I got to say, real nice, you know? Real nice. Two thumbs up for the Maldives.

How long were you there for? Because I feel like it's such a long flight to get there and it's so remote that once you're there it's like you want to spend at least two weeks on an island. Yeah, so it's a while. It's like we had to fly to Doha. So we flew there. That's like a 16 hour flight.

And then it's like a four hour flight to Mali. And then it's like an hour boat ride. So yeah, it's like a full day of travel. And then another travel day. back. But we were there for eight days. But I have a weird thing where I have a threshold for vacations. This is such champagne problems I'm about to say, but it's true. Like, I can really only do five days of vacation before I start losing my mind. I'm like, I need to get home. I need to get back of my routine and I need to go on my workouts and I need to cook my food.

So after day five, I was like, I got it. It's beautiful. The drinks are amazing. But and it's, it's, it's stunning. I mean, that's where we filmed my finessex. for the show and it's so beautiful but there's only a handful of things you can do right like I'm sure you biked you might have golfed snorkeled and that's really it right yeah no golf but and what's the great

is yeah we had all these bicycles which is super cute and if you go watch I think it's all my TikTok Sarah cannot ride a bike so so we got her like she just never learned yeah like in I mean

which is crazy because you grew up in New York which I feel like everyone rides bikes in New York but like she just took a train. So we got her a kid bike with training wheels. And yeah, she just rode. And luckily she's little, so she fit on it. But if you want to go watch it on my TikTok, it's hilarious. We were riding bikes and she was

memorizing plays on Broadway. Yeah. Yeah. She had a full-time job. Yeah. She was making money. Are either you guys are you guys watching White Lotus? No. I'm not yet. Well, it's a good show. Is that the one with the new season? Yeah, it has a new season, but watching it, I, like, don't want to have a honeymoon because it's so fucking depressing.

They, like, make it so depressing. I'm like, oh. But no. Well, I can confirm that honeymoons are pretty cool. You eat really, really well. You drink a lot, and then you get to do the sex, Joe, and that's nice, too. Love doing the sex. The sex.

Wait, yeah, Joe. No, now that you're officially married, do you guys, I know that you're planning a big wedding for later this, well, this next year. But are you guys going to do a little honeymoon before then? No, we're going to do the honeymoon after the ceremony that we're going to do in September. Okay. Well, Wells can prep you by then, you know. Yeah. Get you ready.

Oh, my gosh. Okay. So you say you have a threshold of five days on vacation. Obviously, Paradise is different because you're working. But you're there for what? A month and a half or at least? So how do you not go crazy when you're there or do you? I mean, yeah, I think everyone goes a little bit crazy.

I think both of you guys can probably attest to that. For me, though, it is, yeah, it's very much like work for me. So, like, I go and I clock in and I bartend and do all the interviews and stuff I got to do. And then, you know, I think you guys remember last year, it was similar. I did a lot of night shoots. So I'd kind of like leave at like three in the morning. and then I would sleep until like one and then I'd like go on my run and eat

and then it would be like okay time to come back to work so it was just kind of like a just kept going so it's not really like a vacation for me per se but yeah it's but I love that

gig like it's so much fun to see it all go down and then to watch it back again like oh yeah I forgot about that you know brings back all of old memories. Yeah.

Well, so we were raving about you because I had Thomas on this podcast last week. Look, people I think when they see you, they're like, oh, Wells has the best gig. He's just showing up to bartend.

But you do so much more. Like you said, you're doing so many more night shoots, especially last season two, when we didn't have like a full-time host. You would come in and host row ceremonies. Even when we were with you for the Sadie Hawkins dance, you hosted that entire night.

You didn't leave till what, 4.30 in the morning? You're basically always on the clock. yeah uh so much of my good shit gets cut it's really quite depressing like this after this after show they had to call to tell me hey so because i did like four or five like kind of like segments uh and they were like ah so we're going to cut all of the stuff that you did and i'm like why was i there all day such a long day but yeah that um the sadie hawkins dance was hilarious because um you know the big thing is like superlatives you want to

want to find out like who is the best kisser and who's the cutest couple and like Joe won last year for like prom king and queen yeah yeah he's like I still love the crown behind me things big deal no no big deal um and so you know they were like you need to stick around because you need to announce like the the superlatives and then it just started to like go off the rails real fast and everyone was like falling asleep or leaving and so they're like you need to stay because we want the credit roll shot of you like announcing the winners and no one being there and I was like you know what? That sounds really funny

I'll stick around for that but I remember that night you were there you guys are there with me and then you bailed out like four hours before I even gotten to start filming that. Yeah we left at like one or one 30 I was like I am 32 this is way past my bedtime they don't need me to announce anyone's name because we knew people were leaving like we knew Andrew and just Sennia left. I'm like, I, we just got to go. Wells has this. But yeah, they film so, so much. And I feel like a lot of the good parts, if they're not

dramatic, part, you know, part of the crazy couples. It doesn't get included. So this finale, well, the reunion that you were at, Joe, you were there too. So you can both kind of talk about this. But for me, as a viewer, I felt like there was so much that we did not see. Like, it felt like everything was so crammed into the two-hour reunion. And, like, what was the most wild part that wasn't even aired? Well, there was a lot we didn't see because it was filmed for 12, 12 hours. Yeah, I mean, well, selfishly, the most fun thing we did was this game called Nectar or Not Nectar. And it was like a game show where I asked the cast like if something was Nectar or not Nectar.

And then they had to all like decide what was nectar or not nectar. And then Aaron got to be the one who decides who was right or not. and it was hilarious because Aaron is like the funniest freaking guy he's got that you know that like whoa bro thing um so you think he's stupid but he's so quick it's just like this weird affectation that he has in his voice and i was like he's like could be a stand-up comedian and so bummed that got cut because it was really really funny but obviously the vibe of the show was a very very serious one with the whole like Victoria

and Greg thing it was just it you know usually when you go to those after shows there's a winner and a loser in those things I mean I think

maybe no one's a winner in the situation but like Kate and Logan it seemed like Logan was like the winner in that like he kind of looked better than Kate did for the whole like Victoria

and Greg of it all like everyone just looked bad and I felt sad about that yeah that was watching that was who that was rough but I will say being there it was like

most of the cast like nobody was smiling nobody was happy like I remember you know doing Paradise the first time in the reunion show and it just was a different vibe. Like, even though people didn't get along on the beach, everybody was happy to be there. Wells, would you say this? I mean, to me, I thought it was the most serious reunion I've ever seen. Yeah. I would agree with that. Like, and that was one of the reasons why I was bummed

that, like, a lot of my stuff got cut because it felt so heavy that it was like, we need some yucks in this whole thing, you know? Like, we need to remind everyone that this is a fun show and like, This is, you know, a silly one. But, yeah, it was definitely, I hate to, like, do, like, the Bachelor Nation cliche, but it was, like, definitely the most dramatic one we've done. And I think that's a fair statement. But it also felt like, too, everything that was included from what we saw for as a viewer's standpoint, was very, like, kind of cordial, too.

Like, from what we heard when it was actually filmed, it was probably, pretty crazy. It was wild. People were going at it. But like the bits that we saw, it seems like Aaron and Genevieve basically said like the right things like, you know, we both take blame. We wish each other the best. Kate and Logan kind of like had their peace. And same with I would say Rodney and Eliza. Like it didn't seem like anyone was really still going at it, which I guess I expected something completely different. And I wonder if it's because it was so heavy with that Victoria, Johnny, Greg, love mess. Yeah, I guess maybe everything's relative.

And then so when you think of like your problems, then you watch the, the Greg, Victoria kind of BS. And it's like, ugh, maybe. Well, let's just call it what it is. That was fucking nuts. The whole thing, the whole story, watching it back, Greg coming out. I was like, this is intense. Greg there? I was like, why didn't Greg just go on to Paradise? Like what? I guess I was confused with that. So do we know like timing of anything? Because it made it seem like great, or not Greg, well, not Greg and Johnny. Victoria and Johnny were only together for what they said three weeks, I think after Paradise. And then that's when they called it quids. And Joy, you might know better because you did the podcast with Nick and Victoria. Greg, after the finale, right?

After that was all filmed? No, I didn't do a podcast with them. I thought you were with them. Don't take me down this. They'll take without this dark path. Was it a podcast that broke Bachelors nation that everyone's like, oh, my God, Victoria and Greger are together. No, it was after the reunion show, Nick had invited us over to dinner.

So we went there, and Victoria and Greg were also there, and we had dinner, and Nick had filmed a TikTok, put together a TikTok. And then that was the one that, like, spread like, wildfire. And, of course, there's me just going like, this fucking gloomy smile. Oh, did you know? Like, I didn't set up for this kind of dinner party. Yeah. But, yeah, it was intense.

Well, okay, yeah, so I guess my question is, this is a good question for you, Joe, because you've lived through Paradise a couple seasons now. And you, you went through kind of what I went through last year. the first time around where you and Kendall broke up, rekindled afterwards, dated for a while. And then when you and Serena went on, obviously, you guys had the best outcome where you got an age. Do you feel knowing how hard it is that transition off of the beach back into the real world and trying to make relationship work? Do you feel like they gave it a fighting chance? Or do you feel like things got hard and they kind of just threw the towel in and they're like, that's it. Let's move on. I have to say that I think it should be very easy after the show.

And for me, it was extremely, with Serena, it was extremely easy. And it was just a lot of fun and a lot of excitement. And I feel like if you don't get that right away, you're kind of doomed unless you both really put effort. But it's all about the effort you're going to put into it. Because it's not easy. You both live in different states. you're really not supposed to see each other unless you do the set up happy couple weekend

so but yeah like for me yeah it was you know we're that couple like we never fight but like yeah it was just really easy how could you fight with Serena how could you fight with Joe is the question oh Joe Joe Joe Joe Joe so Wells I'm interested to know if any of these couples I guess not even from

this season, but any season, if they ever reach out to you post filming to ask for advice or to check in, like are you, I feel like you're always there for people who need it, but does anyone check in with you to say like, hey, what did other couples do? We're like, I need

advice in this situation. After the first season of that Joe did a paradise, he called me and asked me for advice. I remember that. I think we were the first person. I love this. And I gave you advice and you didn't take it. And I think I was right about that, but say laVie. You give me advice that I now pass on to other people that ask me for advice.

Yeah. Do they take it? Does anyone take it, Joe? No, they definitely have not taken it. Those good advice. If we've learned anything from the six years of paradise I've filmed, no one takes my advice. And then they all are like, I should like taking your advice.

That was stupid. To answer your question, though, like, yeah, obviously every year, there are like relationships that, um, are stronger for me than other ones. Like, Joe is a good example of that. Like, we didn't see it a lot last season, but Joe and I did a lot of, like, guide chats and, like, heart to hearts and me giving him advice

and kind of back and forth. Which is, by the way, not to cut you off, but it's a shame that they never showed some of it because it was gold. It was great TV. But go ahead, Wells. It was gold. And then, you know, this, for me this year, it was Michael.

he well we're the same age so like we have the same bad jokes and like like the same music right off the bat and he's a sweet guy and like and I'm kind of in this realm too now like I'm in a different place in my life than I was when I first started doing this show and I felt like he is too like his story is much different than mine but like older stakes are a little bit higher like it's not just for fun and like Instagram follows like Like, it's truly, like, he's there for something very, very specific. Not to say other people aren't, but, like, he's just in a different kind of season of life. And I could relate to that.

And so, you know, during the show, I gave him a lot of advice. And obviously, I had a dog in the fight because he started dating my good friend, Danielle, who I knew before we both did the show. We were really good friends in Nashville. So that's a little scary thing, too, of, like, putting someone, trying to set up two people um and one of those people's like really really close you like we've all been there and like you play matchmaker and you're like i don't know if this is a good idea and i was kind of living in that world of like i hope i didn't um you know hook up my one of my dearest friends in

the world with someone who was not going to be protective of her heart and what i learned was is that that was untrue like he michael is like the nicest sweetest guy and though to got to go back to answer your question before when you were talking about like something that like i i i have We missed from the show. There was a lot more of the Michael Danielle story that we didn't see. And I've done the show for a very long time. And I feel like I can kind of sniff out in authenticity from a mile away at this point. And their story, like on the couch when he finally tells her that he is, in fact, in love with her.

It was the most authentic thing I've seen on that stage, I think, ever. Like, she was shocked. It was funny because Jesse was trying to. to get through like prompter reads and like get us into commercial and she gave zero fucks about that because she was so like caught up in the moment of that thing happening that she was

like stepping over all of Jesse's lines which was hilarious to me because you know it's sometimes you're like is any of this real or whatnot and from where I was standing I was like this is the one of the most authentic things I've seen on this show and I maybe tear up a little bit and

I think that's why we watch it though is because we get to have those feelings whether they're laughing crying or um anger did you did you have any doubt in brandon and serene like how early on did you know like this couple because like watching it i'm like they for me i wasn't sure about michael and daniel as much because you don't see as much on the show but brandon and seren i was like they're gonna they're gonna get married right after they're gonna get engaged yeah yeah yeah i think i will after the first rose ceremony i think we all making the joke of like what are we doing here uh i gave them the advice of like hey don't do the thing that everyone does when they find someone they're like right right off the bat and it's like

not engaged with people um like not be fun on the beach and because i'm like you'll you'll won't be on the show like if you if you're not talking to people or like having fun like you just don't get cut of that show and you'll be so annoyed by it and um i mean like it was like they were they were so cute and so great, but, like, Bren is hilarious. Like, he's one of, like, the funniest guys on the beach, and I was like, hey, stop napping so much with your wife

and, like, go do the synchronized swimming thing. I think it'll be fun, you know, like, but yeah, we all knew that they were going to get married immediately. Yeah, so I figured. Very apparent. Was there any other couple that you thought would maybe make it laughs that didn't, or

that surprised you that were like, Who surprised you to the most, I guess? I think that I was the most surprised by... Yeah, you got you back. I think I was most surprised by Johnny and Victoria, and I think I was right about that. I was really rooting for Lace and Rodney.

I wanted Lace. She's an old friend of mine. We did BIP 3 together. And I'm just, like, kind of rooting for, like, she just is, one, she's just fun to be around. She's really good on TV, if that makes any sense. Like, she's funny. She, like, will cry for no reason because she's just kind of like a headcase, but, like. Make up her birthday.

Make up her. Like, she's just so good. Yeah. And I, and she just deserves, I think, the world. And Rodney is, like, the sweetest guy in the world. And I really was rooting for that. But, you know, what can you do? Liza came in and kind of knocked everything out. Yeah.

Okay. So speaking of Rodney then, how sad, how heavy was the atmosphere on that beach when he ended up leaving? Because, and I said this on our podcast a couple weeks ago, it's like one thing for the couples that are breaking up to have emotions and to shed some tears, but I felt like everyone on the beach was crying when Rodney left. Like we've never seen that scale of tears for one person. think before how how heavy was that yeah it was tough i think that um that's a testament to like how

good of a guy rodney is and i think that's like something that everyone should kind of aspire to be like is someone who's that kind and that generous and that beloved that everyone cried when he let like that's ridiculous like no one cried when i left the show uh you know no one gave a shit uh I should be more like a Rodney, I guess. But, yeah, he was just such a lovable guy. And, yeah, I kind of wish he was The Bachelor looking back. You know, he would, he deserves, he deserves fun of him. Yeah.

Yeah. That seemed, you know, extremely dramatic the way everybody was crying when he left. When he loved, I was like, all right, you guys, you know, I get it. But it also might have been a thing of like, everyone was kind of. of, you know, worn a bit thin. You know, they've been ridden hard and hung up wet kind of a thing. Like, I think everyone was just a little cuckoo for cocoa puffs at that moment. And it just started to all come out.

Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah. But you know, but you know what I will say. And because they re-showed it during the finale is like the moment when Rodney went up to address the group and he was like, I think it was, he said he was embarrassed and his voice kind of cracks and he has tears in his eyes. like and Ronnie is so pure he's like a golden retriever like just is so loving and caring and loyal like would not hurt a fly so I feel like in that moment yeah like lack of sleep you have no normalcy to like structure or like daily life things besides like eating and drinking on the beach so I get why people kind of broke at that point too um okay wells you talked about how

you felt like at one point the beach was making you dumber in regards to the whole itching, painful fight between Genevieve and Aaron. Do you still stand by that statement? Yeah, I don't know if going there every year is making me smarter. I will say that. But here's the thing. I disagree with what that doctor said. Like, I don't, I, I think that, I think that itch is low level pain. I think, and so I'll give you this.

Do you? I do. So when you get a scab, okay, like, you cut yourself and the scabs over, at some point, it starts to itch. And, and you're supposed to, it's, it's like a, I feel like it's a thing to, like, get the scab off, I guess. Do you, does anything I'm talking about? But I think there are two different sensations, like pain and itch are different. Okay. here's my other thing. Have you ever, have you ever had poison oak on your, on your, on your, on your, on your, from Chicago. Okay. On my eggs? Yeah, well, I was talking about my, my testes.

So I grew up in. I want to know what, what kind of situation you're in to get it on your poevos. Yeah, so, like, I'll explain this to you. It's not like I'm, like, whacking off in a freaking poison oak bush. So what, what has? happens is, and this happened a lot when I was a kid, we play like in the backyard and there's poison oak everywhere. And you'd get it on your hands. And then you'd go to the bathroom. And to go to the bathroom for boys, you have to touch it. Pull it out. Yeah. You have to pull it out. And so that's how you'd get it on there. And I'm telling you, it's the most painful thing in the world. And it's itch. Okay. So I'm saying it's the same thing. Yeah, but itch might be the beginning of the pain, but they're still different. But like what, like, this is an extreme scenario.

Like, what if you just get a mosquito bite? Like, that's not painful. Yeah, it's annoying and you itch it and then throw some cream on it and it's fine. But like, okay, we're getting way too into this fight again and we might be making ourselves dumber. Can you just talk a little about a little bit about Aaron and. Genevieve's relationship as a whole. Like, from the get-go, did you think they would work out?

I will say their fights are very, as dumb as they are, pretty entertaining. You know, it's funny. After the show, we all went out to the bar and I was talking to them, mainly Genevieve. I was like, I think you guys, I know this is crazy, but I think you guys are perfect for one another. And she was like, how so?

What are you talking about? I'm like, well, to be honest with you, as someone who is married to the love of his life, marriage isn't about finding the person that like agrees with you on everything and everything is super easy. Marriage is work. Like you have to work on things. You have to be, you have to compromise on things. You have to be able to talk.

And a lot of the things that Genevieve and Aaron have are amazing. Like they obviously have a lot of like spark and romance. And they have a lot of the things that you need. What they don't have is communication. And it's not because they're bad. at communicating with each other. They're bad at communicating with everybody. It's not just locally to the, to each other.

They're both two whackadoos. And all they need to do is sit down maybe with a therapist or something and talk about their communication practices. And once they do that, I'm sorry, but like they're the most amazing, beautiful, weird couple. And I would love to go on vacation with them. So I'm still holding out hope for those two. Sitting, sitting in the audience, watching them and,

in the hot seats, I was like, like, make out, get back together. Like, I really wanted to see them get back together. Okay, so what you're both saying is, in this case, two negatives might make a positive here. Yeah, absolutely. Opposites attract. Okay. I agree. Okay.

Interesting. Well, who knows? Maybe the, do we know, like, did they talk after the finale? Like, do they have plans to rekindle? Do we have any sense of this? I don't think so. I don't think they'll ever get back together. I think they probably hate each other.

I want to ask you about Joe, or whoa, not Joe, Jacob and Jill, do we think they have the potential to go the distance here now that they rekindle this little flame? I mean, I hope so. They were like the weird couple on the beach that you're like, they're going to get married. It's, you know, like Evan and Carly, you know, when we saw them and you're like, damn, these two people are super weird, but like maybe perfect for one another.

So I hope so. I'm holding that hope for them. I'm still confused that their interaction at the reunion and how they even got back together because they were both just like, I'm open to it. I'm also open to it. That was it. Okay. I just want to know, out of everyone that came down on the beach, either this summer or in the past,

that is still single, who would you love to see return? That's a good question. Lil John. I love Lil John. He was the best. He brought so much positive energy. He smells so good. So good.

He came in, got everyone shots. I love that guy. He was so much. much. And I remember hearing that and being like, I don't understand my little John's here, but okay, I'm here for it. And then he came and I was like, I get it. What an amazing grab. Oh, yeah. Little John came down at the same time Mara came down. Yeah. That's the difference. Okay, Wells, thank you so much for being here. We love having you on a happy hour. I can't wait to see you on the beaches. Hopefully again next year. And until then, enjoy this next chapter of your

newly life. Thank you so much. seeing you guys. I missed you all. Please come over to Los Angeles and say hi to me. Bye, walls. And come down to San Diego too. I'm there. I'm there. Joe, it's so much fun having you on.

You know, I miss you. It's always a blast. Let's get into overall what your Rose and Thorn was from this season. Because I know that you not only watched it, but you also were there for part of it. So give me your highlight. low light so my rose is going to have to go to i'm going to have to give the rose to brandon and serene they made it all the way through they're happy at the end um i'm happy for them and i really think they're going to last my thorn is going to go to everyone else no my my thorn is going to go to everyone else

To everyone who didn't make it. Yeah. My Thorne, man, you know, I want, I actually, I'm going to give it to Erin and Genevieve because I like them both. And I just, there's a part of me that I still want them to work. And I don't think they ever will. But I just, I see something there between them. So that's who's getting it. Okay.

Okay. Interesting. So I'm going to start with the Thorn and just get it out of the way. I think for me, it was kind of overall a slightly disappointing season. And maybe that's just because last year, I mean, obviously we were there and it was so much fun. But I feel like there were so many couples that came out of paradise. Like, what is it now? Six or seven couples are sold together that met on that beach or, well, some met before.

But, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, there's a lot. And, you know, I'm not lumping Brandon and Serene in this or Michael and Danielle because they're still going strong. But it just seemed like it didn't, the algorithm didn't work as well this time around. And maybe talk about it to like the Switch Week or I don't know what. Wasn't my favorite, favorite season. But I'm going to say my rose is probably, well, I think.

think it was probably just going back down there when thomas and i were in mexico we saw you and serena were able to grab drinks and dinner one night and just catch up and it was fun being back down there but not having the pressure of finding a partner and falling in love because we already did that and so it was much more fun this time around and so that's going to be the rose and then i also have to give a shout out to brandon and serene because they are such a freaking cute couple and you like you can truly tell that they love each other and I really think that they will work out in the long run. So congratulations to those two congratulations to Danielle and Michael. But Joe, before we let you go, we do this every week now on Happy Hour, which is

sharing a resource because I think it's so important for people to just stay informed and give resources to those who might be needing them or looking for them and don't want to have to search too hard. So the resource that I want to share this week, it's a little bit different, but because this upcoming Saturday is small business Saturday, I think it's so important to give back to those small businesses, but especially black owned businesses or people who, people of color who own businesses. So I'm going to share some of my favorite that I have been to both in San Diego and Minnesota. And then if you want to share some either from Chicago or New York, live now. I have my handy handy dandy little list here. But a couple black owned small businesses

in Minnesota. I've shared this one before. It is called Black Garnet Books. It's, I believe, in St. Paul. You can get your books online. The shop just opened about a month ago. And so I love that one. Black Garnet Books. Pimento is one of my favorite Jamaican food places. They have a couple locations. It is delicious. If you like some spice. good. There's one called De Nolo, if you like to shop, and it's a cute boutique with accessories and clothes. And then one, it is a fitness class called, I think it's pronounced Zsa or Zessa. I took a class once right after my season, and it kicked my butt, but it was so fun. So that's a Minnesota-based one. And then in San Diego, some that I would recommend

Breakfast, Bitch, such a fun brunch place. You have to go check it out. Hammond's ice cream. Thomas and I are obsessed. My has cooked. cookies, studio bar for another fitness class, and then any of the restaurants owned by the Trust Group or Brad Wise, Cardalino, Fort Oak are all delicious. I highly, highly recommend. So those are some of my black owned small businesses to support this Saturday. Nice. And Joey.

Nice. What about you? Let's go in Chicago. I'm going to do Iname Tavern, great little spot. Chef Joop, he's awesome. awesome chef, and they have Frontier, too, which is another bar restaurant, chill vibes, great spot, great food. 1111, Ahmed's got an incredible bar.

And the restaurant, I believe the restaurant was decorated by Virgil, who was the creative director of Louis, Tom, before he passed away. But I believe he decorated it, but I'm not 100% on that. And then let's go, Flaves has a great jerk chicken sandwich. And then I got, let's see what else. A Hispanic grocery store, Hispanic-owned Alweros, there's like six location. Those are great stores. That's what I got off the top of my head.

I knew I could have cut on you for all the good food spots. You know it. I love it. Well, thank you, Joe. It was so fun having you on Michelle. We hope you're feeling better next week. And the biggest thank you goes out to all of our Bachelor Happy Hour listeners. And once more, thank you, Wells.

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