Bachelor Happy Hour - Zac Clark on Sobriety, Friendship, and Marathons

Episode Date: May 6, 2025

Today on “Happy Hour,” we have Zac Clark from Clare and Tayshia’s season of “The Bachelorette.” We kick off our first-ever episode with Zac by discussing his journey to sobriety and his friendship with Joe. From the how-tos of sobriety to the story behind Zac and Grant Ellis’s father connecting over being sober, Zac is telling it all. Then, we get into Zac’s foundations for substance abuse recovery and how he became interested in running marathons. Plus, Zac tells us all about his new podcast and reflects on his time on “The Bachelorette.” Tune in now and be sure to subscribe so you never miss an episode!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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with a good friend of mine. Our guest today, Zach Clark, Zach, welcome to Bachelor Happy Hour. I can finally cross it off the resentment list. We only run together once a week and I've never been asked to come on your damn podcast. So here I am. Well, I mean, I don't do the cast thing. We're going to blame that one on producers. It's weird.

I mean, I'm joking. I mean, to interview you is a little strange because we are good friends, but we also talk all the time. So I feel like I know a lot But maybe our audience doesn't Or maybe you'll learn more today Maybe I will learn more today

I'm here You can ask you about that thing I'm grateful to be here And I'm grateful to have you guys My life as friends So all good Okay Zach

What have you been up to lately? What's new? What's new? Leaving Sunday I don't know when this will air But I'm leaving Sunday to run the London Marathon on as part of the nonprofit release foundation, which will be fun.

And then shortly after that, we have our gala in New York City every year, which you guys came to last year. That's all in the name of, you know, helping people who can't afford to get behavioral health care services. So substance abuse and mental health, which is a huge passion of mine. Other than that, man, you know, there's a whole other side of that, which is my livelihood, the business release recovery, which we operate in New York City and up in Westchester County. and we've just been growing.

It's been amazing to see. We're helping a lot of people. Like I always, whenever I'm on one of these podcasts, I always just say, you know, if you're feeling alone and you don't have anyone to talk to, please reach out to me. We'll respond and we'll get you the help that you need as it relates to substance abuse and mental health.

And outside of that, man, like I'm trying actually to slow down a little bit. I just run too hard. Well, you run all the time, actually. I, okay, a few things. things to what you said. Serena is not going to be able to make the gala, but I will. Just FYI.

I'm not there. I'm actually bummed I'm missing it. But she's not going to be in town. For those listening, it's like a really fun party. Which maybe isn't what people would expect when they hear about a charity gala. But I will be there. I mean, like that's the thing though, Serena, that you said that means a lot to me because like when you think about charity gala

you think of, you know, a lot of the I've been to her kind of boring. Yeah, white tablecloth, banquet hall. we have a party and that's by design because I feel like when people get sober they have to stop drinking which I did 13 years ago they're convinced that their life is over and then you walk into a room like that and you're like holy shit people are people are partying here and you do have it for our listeners at this gala you do have alcohol so if you do drink it's an option yeah and that's by design yeah I was just going to ask you what yeah why make that choice Well, I just, I think there's a lot of energy that goes into when someone gets sober, other people have to change their behaviors. And I think that's actually the opposite. For me, when I got sober, I wanted the people around me to feel like they could continue

to live their life however they were living it. And actually, I've been able to do all the things in sobriety that I was able to do when I was drinking, go to games, go to events, go to concerts, all that stuff. And so we want to show people who are. asking for help or who are getting sober that they can go to an event like that where other people are drinking they can get through the night sober and they can have a good time yeah i love that i think that's i think that's an important message because even like when you and i first like we had met but then like when we started hanging out and i saw you running on the west side highway

you said to me like yo if you guys like go to a bar and do something like let me know and i think like i think in my head i probably thought like you would feel uncomfortable going to a bar not knowing you know just being ignorant to the entire space so i found interesting we've talked a lot about i mean that was awesome the way that we ran into each other i feel like it was meant to happen when it was meant to happen like i was at a point in my life when i was like looking for guy friends i can say that honestly and it's been you know nice to build a relationship with you the last couple years and and that's true like i think people who don't understand this thing would assume that I don't want to go to a bar and watch a game or I don't want to be around

alcohol. And it's actually, you know, for me, my whole life is recovery, my, my work, my, my, my, my, my, my personally. So I actually enjoy going to places where there's alcohol because I get a little bit of the secondhand smoke and that energy, you know, it's yeah, yeah, the secondhand smoke. Yeah, no, I feel like I've had friends. One of my, one of my, one of my best friends' sisters, I remember was dating someone. She started dating someone who was sober, just by choice, just decided to remove alcohol from their life and she was like I don't know if I can do this like I don't know if I can date someone who's sober like I like to go out I like to have fun I like to party and like her experience was really positive and I think that that's like on a small scale like

a way that someone broke the stigma in her life around what it means to be sober and I feel like your you know foundation and the party that you throw is kind of on a bigger scale way to be like hey, like we, you know, life isn't over when you stop drinking. I feel like it actually even inspired you, Joe, to drink less. Like, you will now go out and order a mocktail. When we first got together, like, you would never have done that. Yeah, no, I drink way less and I feel, I actually feel so much better. Like, I had a non-alcoholic bear for dinner last night and it was, I enjoy them more

than I enjoyed beer with alcohol because I don't get as full or feel as like my head doesn't get as cloudy. I have a question for you, Zach, when it comes to non-alcoholic drinks, if you're somebody that struggles with substance abuse when it comes to alcohol, do you feel like that's still somewhat of a temptation or could trigger some people? I go two ways with this thing. I think there's some beauty and the healthy alternative and giving people an option and to feel like they can fit in by having a non-acophobic beer or a mocktail that maybe people think is a

cocktail, right? I don't, I know of cases where that, yes, has triggered people to go out and get drunk because it's so close to that taste that they remember and something goes off in their brain. So for me, anytime someone's newly in recovery, I kind of encourage them to shy away from the mocktails early on and then kind of maybe you graduate to that. I don't drink them personally just because I just like the taste of a club soda with some cranberry juice and a line better. That's just me. But at the same time, I think there's a whole movement happening, which you're seeing, which is people aren't getting sober.

They're just understanding that alcohol is not the best for you. So they're looking for healthier alternatives. And I think that's fantastic. Yeah. Well, there is, and I know there's like a big trend right now. I think it's more of a West Coast thing. but a lot of like bodybuilder gyms are now carrying like non-alcoholic beer because like the carbs in the beer are actually like I guess your body's craving that after. Didn't Equinox have it when we went in L.A.? Or was that just when we were talking about it?

No, I think I was talking about it. The last thing I want after a workout is to crush an IPA. That's insane. I agree. I agree. Zach, let's talk a little bit of. about Grant's father. How did you, how did that relationship begin between you and him? Yeah, Rob, man. So, I mean, these are the stories that you just can't make up. And I, you know, I'll say this, and you guys kind of know this, I have not stayed really well connected in the

Bachelor universe, which is not by design. I don't, I actually have zero bad things to say about my experience and my time and I met so many beautiful people I just I kind of got back to my life and here I am but the thing that I still know from that experience is I mean I had it this morning a guy called me to go speak at his company's event and he just said my daughter saw you she's sober she says you have a great story and I'd love you know so like to this day that is still the thing that people know about me I think from that experience or or know is a big part of life, which is why I try to be loud and proud about the work that we do. And so this world, I mean, there has been, you know, multiple cases of people that are in this bachelor world that have

reached out to me confidentially and have asked me how I got sober, what I was doing to say sober, how my journey started. And I feel like I've been able to be a resource for a lot of people that I, that I haven't and won't share publicly because that's not my place. It's their story to tell. But with Rob, it was really interesting. So Rob ended up in a treatment center that we have a really good relationship with out in New Jersey called Alina Lodge. He was basically at the end of his time using and asked for help. And those folks who know me know that I'm kind of connected to the show. And so he ended up going to a little kind of sober living program in New Jersey after going to rehab. And it was at that time,

that someone connected us and said, you need to know Zach because he's, you know, affiliated with the show. Part of that world. Yeah. And he reached out to me, man. He was in a lot of pain. Like, he was in a lot of pain.

He was at a point in his life where he was having to move on from the environment he was in. He was well behind payments on his sober living. And so he filled out for a scholarship through the Release Foundation. and we were able to get him the ability to access some funds to pay for his sober living and get up to date with the payments. So the money you raised Joe and you run the marathon for us and Serena when you always support Joe

and come to our gal like that, those funds went towards helping him. And it didn't matter that it was Grant's dad. Like I didn't give a crap about that. Like it was just someone that needed to help, right? Like that's the moral of the story. And then we got to talking and I started to talk to some of the people that were involved in his care. said, does this guy need a job? And it turns out he needed a job and a place to live.

And so we have at release recovery, which is where it gets a little confusing, we have the nonprofit and then we have the more for-profit entity where we're doing treatment and we're getting people, the services they need in-house. And so he, you know, he interviewed and he showed up in a suit and tie and he makes, I mean, this guy's, he's a character and everyone loves them. So, you know, we ended up giving him a job. and now we're kind of on this journey together, shoulder to shoulder. It's been an amazing, amazing transformation to watch him kind of become the man that he is today.

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Jeopardy-truthers who say that you were given all the answers believe in... I guess they would be Kenspiracy theorists. That's right. Are there Jeopardy-truthers? Are there people who say that it was rigged? Yeah, ever since I was first on, people are like. They gave you the answers, right? And then there's the other ones which are like.

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I didn't even know you've been a pastor for over 10 years. I think culture is any space that you live in that develops you. On a recent episode of Culture Raises Us podcast, I sat down with Warren Campbell, Grammy-winning producer, pastor, and music executive to talk about the beats, the business, and the legacy behind some of the biggest names in gospel, R&B, and hip-hop. This is like watching Michael Jackson talk about Thurley before it happened. Was there a particular moment where you realized just how instrumental music culture was to shaping all of our global ecosystem?

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Do you celebrate? Do you do something to commemorate it? It's different. It's different every year. Sometimes I like to kind of look inward and kind of just not. I mean, here's the thing. I put something out on social media and typically people engage with that and it becomes

a bigger thing than probably, you know, the reason we celebrate in sobriety is to show the next person that it's possible, right? Like, that's really the reason you celebrate. For me, I just, I know that I've been given a life beyond my wildest dreams and, you know, this bizarre experience of going on this show has helped kind of enhance my ability to help people. I was going to ask, When did, so 14 years ago, you turned sober. When did you start, when did you start release from that point? So we started late, like late 2016, you know, late 2016. So we've been at this thing for, I guess, like eight or nine years now.

It's crazy. Wow. I mean, it's been five years since I went on the show, which is wild. I mean, like time is just, when were you got? You guys were on, I mean, Joe, you were on like six times, but. Yeah. I was on before you, and then I've been on after you, and I don't think I'm going on again. But, yeah, no, times.

What year was the first year you went on when you went on 2018? That's wild. I was on, well, I was the season after you, Zach, so it's been four years. Were you Matt? Five years, five years. I was Matt James. I was Nemek-all. And so you're, we had just finished filming when the season you were on was like wrapping up.

Yeah. Like in terms of airing. But it feels like not that long ago and also like a million years ago. I feel like my life has changed so much in that four year time. Oh, yeah. From like when I first went on to now. Well, we're in Montreal right now. Serena's going for her green card.

So my interview. I know. I'm right for you guys. I mean, like, look, I think you guys are kind of like the gold standard. I mean, I know you personally, right? Like I know you somewhat intimately like you were at my birthday dinner and you, we hang out and we share meals. And it's like for everyone else, like what you see with them here is what you get in real life.

I mean, you guys are just two of the best. It's a fact. Thank you. We're all right. Can you, for our listeners, break down the difference between because you have the foundation and then you have release recovery. Yeah. Can you just break down like the difference between the two and if someone's looking for help,

like why they might go to one versus why they might go to the other? so nice that you're asking me this I always feel bad I don't know why I have this weird thing promoting myself I mean some people are so good at it and so comfortable with it and I just

I mean we could we could pivot and talk about your experience on The Bachelor you want to go to night one do you want to talk about your limel entrance? Night one I will tell you about night one night one I don't know who it was but like they're like what do you want to do when you get out in the limo I was like

I'm going to get out and say hello I was like, guys, I think your time's probably going to be better spent, you know, convincing someone else to jump out of a plane or some shit because I'm just going to say hi. Is that what you did? Yeah, I just, it was Claire. And Claire is, you know, she's, I'm so happy that she's happy. It's amazing. I literally got out.

I said, I said, hello. I forget who. I know Dale was in my limo. I think Moy, no, yeah, I don't know. It's crazy, though, to think about. Yeah. I had the same experience. I did the same thing.

I said, like, I'm just going to, I'm going to just say hi. And I remember the producer that I was speaking to at the time, like, okay, are you sure? I'm like, yeah. He's like, okay, just have something to say. Like, I got it. And of course, I fucked it up. But I kind of wish I, because I'm like you, I'm like, I'm not doing no, no gimmick out of the, out of limo. But like, I kind of, I kind of wish I did.

It's a bit of a crutch when you have. Yeah, when you have something. Well, you know. It's okay. I'll work for you. Yeah. All right. I did like a baby gimmick.

I did a step stool because Matt James is like six, five and I'm five one. So I was, I did like a, I brought something to like get on your level so we can see eye to eye and like made him like help me on the step stool and then I stepped down. And yeah, it was. It was cute. It was cute. It was easy. I was glad. I'm like not a.

I mean, I can chat. but like I was like I'm not I don't want to come out and like have a speech I don't know I was like I'm going to get nervous if I'm just gabbing so I wanted like a little prop or something to rely on and it worked out I thought it went well yeah but all right let's pivot back to your self promotion we gave bachelor's love right we did our yeah we showed bachelor some love we could always circle back later let's promote your business first and just give people more insight into what it is so the long and short of it is like I started release recovery which is we started as kind of high end highly structured transitional living for people coming out of rehab so they go away for drug and alcohol or mental health treatment they come back to New York City or Westchester County which is just north of the city and they they live with us for three to six months and we help them you know get back to living a purposeful life and so that's obviously evolved right um the first first thing we did was in late 2019. So really, like right before I went on the show, we

kind of looked at what we were doing and said, we want to help more people, right? We want to broaden our ability to help more people. And that was going to be through some nonprofit work. So we started the release foundation, which is today we raise a couple million dollars a year. And that money goes towards scholarshiping individuals from communities that otherwise couldn't not afford treatment to call us or, you know, write us. And we run like a very brief kind of financial check on them and they do an application. But as long as they can prove to us that they require this funding, we will write the check and help them go away and get the help they deserve. So that's been awesome, right? Like, that's been really cool. And that's a lot of the stuff

you see me doing on social media with the marathon running and the gala and some of the other stuff that you guys have have been to and participated in. And then the other side, which is, and we don't really send money from the nonprofit to the for-profit. There's a pretty, pretty firm line there. But the for-profit, you know, the recovery services business today, we have about 100 employees, right? And so we're operating in New York City and West Chester still, and we still have our, like I'm sitting in my office here in Flatiron, which is a couple blocks from where you guys live. And, you know, we really specialize in helping our clients and our patients and our families, you know, heal from mental health

and substance abuse challenges, which, you know, today are just ravaging our country, right? People are alone. People are not doing well. And so they come into our care and, And in Westchester is where kind of my chief medical officer and our clinicians and a lot of the therapy is done, but we still have 60-some odd residential beds throughout New York City and Westchester. And so what I tell people, like, no matter who you are and where you are in this process, if you want help or if you have someone in your life that wants help, you can call us or DM me, which I try to get back to.

And I guarantee that we will, if it's not with us, find you. a safe place where you can start to heal. And so it's been a wild ride. I mean, watching the growth over the last year, we've kind of hit another level. It's been, it's been really cool. And so I'm the CEO and founder. I mean, I'm not working as hard as I was probably a year ago, but I'm working differently and just trying to help help this thing push forward.

What if you struggle from not substance abuse, like let's say like a gambling addiction, could they come to you guys as well? it just solely like struggling with substance abuse? So we see a lot of what they call co-occurring disorders, right? So someone might come in with a substance use disorder, which is a kind of a nicer and softer way to say drug addiction or alcoholism, right, a substance use disorder. And they might have like a secondary, which is a, you know, a process addiction, which gambling falls into that category.

So we see a lot of that. There's, there's sex addiction. There's, you know, food addiction. So a lot of times it's kind of like. like whackamol, right? Someone might have the substance use disorder under control, but then all a sudden you'll see them gambling a lot or whatever it might be. And so we do see a lot of that. My sense or my bet or my gamble, for lack of a better word, is that gambling in five years, we're going to look back on this conversation and you're going to say Zach was right,

because I think that's kind of the next thing that you're going to start to see really impacting our country in a negative way i mean i i think like i'll hold up my cell phone like i always laugh because parents work so hard to get their kids into the nicest schools and keep them safe and all that stuff and then they pay for them to go like hang out in the most dangerous you know neighborhoods in the world which is which is the um which is the cell phone ticot and all that stuff i mean there's just so much and you can gamble on your phone so i think it's going to get worse before it gets better. Yeah, unfortunately.

To answer your question directly, I mean, if like someone calls us with a gambling issue, we will see if we're the right fit and if we're not, we'll get them into the right program. And you have those connections to, you know, send them somewhere else? Yeah. I never envision being with a woman. I'll just be honest. I'm Jamel Hill, host of the Sports and Politics Podcasts, Spolitics. On this week's episode, I'm joined by Basketball Legend, Candace Parker, who stops by to discuss her candid new book, The Can Do Mindset, in which she shares why she waited two years into marriage to come out.

Like, when I close my eyes at night, every night, I was like, I need to find my prince charming. Like, it was never a princess. Like, that never entered into my mind. But, you know, as I learned, sometimes life gives you things wrapped in the package that you did. expect it. And that was just, you know, and honestly, it took me a long time to be okay with myself. Make sure to listen to this week's episode of Spolitics on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Have you ever wished for a change but weren't sure how to make it? Maybe you felt

stuck in a job, a place, or even a relationship. I'm Emily Tish Sussman, and on she pivots, I dive into the inspiring pivots of women who have taken big leaps in their lives and careers. I'm Gretchen Whitmer, Jody Sweeten, Monica Patton, Elaine Welteroff. I'm Jessica Voss. And that's when I was like, I got to go. I don't know how, but that kicked off the pivot of how to make the transition. Learn how to get comfortable pivoting because your life is going to be full of them. Every episode gets real about the why behind these changes and gives you the inspiration

and maybe the push to make your next pivot. Listen to these women and more on She Pivotts, now on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hello, Puzzlers. Let's start with a quick puzzle. The answer is Ken Jennings' appearance on The Puzzler with A.J. Jacobs. The question is, what is the most entertaining listening experience in podcast land? Jeopardy Truthers, who say that you were given all the answers, believe in... I guess they would be

conspiracy theorists. That's right. Are there Jeopardy Truthers? Are there people who say that it was rigged? Yeah, ever since I was first on, people are like, they gave you the answers, right?

And then there's the other ones which are like. They gave you the answers, and you still blew it. Don't miss Jeopardy legend Ken Jennings on our special game show week of the Puzzler podcast. The Puzzler is the best place

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I was like I was so sad everyone's gonna think I'm faking it but you have run now how many marathons 15 15 is this weekend or 16 is this weekend 10 New York's two London's and Nashville and grandmas I think this is 15 this weekend And this weekend is London. You're doing London. This is 16. You're doing London this weekend? Yeah, Sunday.

That's so exciting. What is the London Marathon like? The best, flat, great crowd, point to point. You drive way out of the city and then you kind of just run back in. But, I mean, all of these marathons, if you're listening and forget all my spiel on behavioral health care, like running is all. community. I mean, you felt that when you ran the New York City Marathon, I mean, those crowds are insane. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, the energy in the city was amazing. So I get a that you're running. Yes, I started running. I've been on three runs. All three were

horrible. Every second was suffering. But my one of my best friends is starting a run club in Toronto. And their first run is this coming Friday. It's her and her boyfriend. They're both in incredible shape they're both like workout instructors and personal trainers and she's actually not really a runner um but he is he just did hydrox actually which i don't know if you know what that is but it's like yeah um anyway i really wanted to go support her and that doesn't mean like i'm going to be running at the front of the pack but i was like i just want to be able to get through like four or five kilometers even if it's like a walk run so joe she's canadian oh miles and um and joe is like i'll take you for a little bit of a run

and he's just helping me, like, pace and stuff. I mean, Joe's thing, I was like, let's run seven miles today. No, but I'm at... The first run, he was like, let's keep going. I'm like, I have to get home. I have to run back. No, no, no. I just, I, you're doing, you're doing really good.

But like, we, we ran like a mile and then I was like, okay, let's see if you could, and stopping and going and breaking up, but let's try to get two miles. Let's try to get three miles and then, you know, slowly, slowly let's build the three mile. My last run I did like a pretty good two miles up to some. Central Park. And we did, yeah, we ran uphill, you know, running up to Central Parks, running up, running up, uh, a steep, somewhat of a steep hill. So we're working. I don't think I'm going to be a marathon runner, but I'm happy to be a part of the, the running community for a little bit. I love beginner runners because you'll look back on this conversation. You will run a marathon or you will run a distance that you never thought you could run. It's just the way that these things always go.

I mean, that's what happened to me when you saw me running on the West Side Highway. Like my, my, my max, run at the time. I don't think I ever did over five miles. And I would say I was probably running an average of like three and you're like, are you going to run the race? I was like, what race? And you know, the marathon. I was like, I doubt it. And then, you know, six months later, I ran the marathon. So, um, but I want to ask you. So I just got to tell people like, hold on, on you, Joe. This is this guy for people that are, this guy's a sicko because he acts like he just ran the marathon. So he tells me he's going to run the marathon. He trains a little bit, right? Like just here and there. Truly a little bit. Well, because it was the year of our wedding,

wasn't it? Yeah, it was the year of our wedding. Yeah. And he showed, you had a wedding like that Saturday or something. You flew in like late Saturday night. You're like, I think. Yeah, yeah, Tia Booth's wedding. Yeah. So our wedding for those listing was that September. So we had our wedding and our honeymoon. So September, you like barely ran. Yeah. And then October was whatever. And then I I remember the weekend of the marathon was Tia Boo's wedding. We flew to Nashville. We went to her welcome party that Friday, flew back Saturday, and then you ran the marathon on Sunday.

And I remember my dad calling being like, I'm a little worried about him. Like, is he going to be okay? Like, he has not trained that much. And I was like, well, we're going to find out. So this dude goes, I'm going to run a sub force. And in my head, I will be honest with you now, I was like, there's no way. Like, there's no way. And you bit down on the mouthpiece.

would you like 358 like you got you got it done which was I just got just got it by the skin of my teeth yeah no I was very impressed you have great endurance but I did that's that's that's the point and that's X point too like I didn't have great endurance like all it just it's just like just running no I know but I mean I would say there would be people that have trained a lot more most people trained a lot more than you and ran it not as fast as you sure not saying that like And then there's people that really go, like, I mean, Zach runs it close to three hours. Yeah, well, Zach's an animal. He's running all the time.

How, so a question. So when you go out to somewhere like London, right, and you guys are doing the marathon, how does that relate to, like, how is release recovery, recovery incorporated in that race? Like, are you guys part of that at all? Yeah, so we're really lucky. So we have 25 bibs to the London Marathon, which means we have a team of 25 people. I am one of them going over to London or are in London, which is a hard race to get into from a charity perspective.

And each one of those runners will raise a minimum of $5,000. So if you do the quick math, that's like $125 some odd thousand dollars that's being raised for the nonprofit through these efforts. And then a lot of those folks will go above and beyond that. So these events are key for us. And I'll say like the donations, whether we're, it be $1, $5, $10, $100, like they all matter and they all make a difference towards our ultimate goal, which is to help as many people as possible.

Like, I'm not going to go on my like insurance industry and all the issues there, rant, but there's not enough good health care available for people like me. Yeah. If people want to donate, where can they go? So it's release recovery foundation. Joe Mowbley.com. Yeah, it's joe and serena.com and uh yeah happy hour no it's release recovery foundation dot org you can also I always say like DM the Instagram which is just released recovery

foundation you can DM me you know like we're pretty good at we got people watching kind of all the channels to get back to folks that want to support us I'll actually probably be posting something this week about my efforts. this weekend. And, like, it's just, you know, we broke some stones on this call, but it is really meaningful for you guys to have me on here and to talk about this stuff because, you know, I don't know why people will listen.

I'm sure just because they love you and the show. But it's an important thing to be talking about right now. And you recently, well, I think at least it's been about a year. You started a podcast, right? Yes, I did. Yeah. The Zach Clark Show. I mean, like, let me tell you how about that name.

We went to try and, like, find some names. So, like, people in the office have been pushing me to do it for a while. And I finally kind of caved and we put it together. But we went to name, like, every, there are no names left. I mean, everyone's got a podcast as we know. And so it's like, we're not going to try and get creative here. Let's just throw my name on it. And, no, the purpose of that or the goal there is, like, you know, we have real conversations

with real people that have either, you know, been in my shoes and come through it or have a powerful, you know, story or testimony and or, you know, our resources to people that listen. So my, my demo I always say is like I get a lot of mothers that listen and then we'll write in and then we help them, you know, try to navigate whatever it is they're going through with their children or husband or whatever it is. But it's been really powerful and we've had some cool, cool moments from that. what is one of your favorite episodes that you've done so far I just recorded my dad yesterday

no way oh yeah wow how is that Joe's met my dad Joe's had cheese steaks with my dad I met your dad too he was at the the gala last year yeah yeah yeah yeah you guys at our table um it's not cheese steaks but you know we had sushi yeah my dad's the best I mean he's just got so much knowledge and wisdom and you know everyone's really scared about what's going on in the world. And I think to have someone that's been on this planet for 80 some odd years to tell us that everything's going to be okay is powerful.

And that and he's just my dad and he's seen me, you know, with a needle in my arm. And he's seen me today. And so he's probably just grateful to be able to kind of talk about it. Does it feel weird having like that kind of intimate conversation with a family member and then like putting it out there at all? Yeah. I guess it's an ironic thing to say considering I did like hometown. on the bachelor but it's a little bit you know we are we are we are husband and wife and we

but I guess we don't really have that we don't have intimate conversations it's a one you know it's a what 30 minute to an hour unfiltered kind of conversation with your dad I mean I think that's part of my place in this world for whatever reason I mean I'll tell Joe to go to therapy we'll get them Serena you know like we'll push one day you know like I but I believe that and like look I don't know how you guys approached it and I think that was like to bring it back to kind of some of the stuff with the show because like you guys know like the question you always get is like was it real you know like was it a real thing I'm like pretty sure it was real like for me it was real I just showed up and it's kind of who I am and that's kind of it can be

as real as you want it to be right right you know and that's my point as you are really as real as you are again and that's my point in all these conversations me even this one here like I feel like I'm just hanging out talking to you guys right And so with my dad, yeah, I mean, like we got there a couple moments of, you know, some gusto, but you'll have to tune it. There I go. Nice. There you go. Tune in.

Tune in to the Zach Clark Show. Anything you want to talk about personal life, anything else, you're busy, you're working, you're running marathons. What else? Anything golf, you're a golfer too. Yeah, well, we're doing that. Joe and I are going who's it's Wells it's Ben Higgins

I think Joe I think so yeah I don't know the exact the exact crew going but yeah it's Ben Higgins we're roommates so I know you're going I don't snore and Dean too Dean he does a little I don't know Dean I'm excited it's going to be a good

hang what else is going on I mean look man like I said at the beginning I'm trying to slow down a little bit and make some more time for for me I definitely travel too much but my life is is like I'm happy you know I'm a happy guy like all as well right now life is good life is good we're going to play a lot of golf this some we're going to get better at golf we're going to take three and out to some nice dinners and we're going to enjoy life a little bit nice um thank you thank you so much for digging the time

coming on our podcast um wish you well in london are you what are you trying to do some record score are you just running are you chill I mean you always go for the record don't you It's not always, doesn't always happen. I mean, my best is a three, we're sick people. Yeah. My best is a 312. If I ended up under that, I'll be happy. All right.

Nice. Cool. Good to see you. And to all our listeners, thank you so much for tuning in the bachelor happy hour. Make sure you download and subscribe to the podcast. Yeah, go listen to the Zach Clark show, donate to his foundation release, and be sure to continue to tune in. Thanks for listening. Bye.

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