Bachelor Happy Hour - Zoe Says All’s Fair in Love and War!

Episode Date: February 6, 2025

Today on “Happy Hour,” we’re sitting down with Zoe from Grant’s season! This week was a roller coaster for Zoe, and she’s here to spill ALL the tea. We get into her road to the show and how fate aligned for her journey to begin. Then, we dive right into her experience on this week’s group date. She takes us through her decision to steal Grant, the behind-the-scenes of the explosive drama, and so much more. Plus, we get a sneak peek into what went down between her and Grant on the rooftop — did her bold efforts pay off? Tune in now to hear all this and more, and be sure to subscribe so you never miss an episode! See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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And we had a blast. Take a listen. Sue and I were, like, riding the lime bikes the other day. And we're like, we're like, people ride bikes because it's fun. We got more incredible guests like Megan in store, plus News of the Day. day and more. So make sure you listen to Good Game with Sarah Spain on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Brought to you by Novartis, founding partner of IHeart Women's Sports Network. Hey, everyone. Welcome back to Bachelor Happy Hour. I'm Joe. And I'm Serena. And we are here today with Zoe. Zoe, welcome to Bachelor Happy Hour.

Hi. Thank you for having me. Of course. And before we get into the episode, we are going to get a little breakdown of what you were doing before the show, how you got on the show, a little bit of a history, and then we'll get into episode two. Yeah, there's lots to talk about, so we're excited to have you on today. Thank you. Okay, so Zoe, where do you live? So right now I live in New York City, but I'm actually from Southern Virginia, I went to school in North Carolina and lived in Philly. So I love New York, too. We're here too. We're here too. Where are you in? A West Village.

Oh, nice. We're in Chelsea, so not too far. Close, yeah. How long have you been here? Oh, I think like three years, three and a half now. I'm like losing track of time. Yeah. I know.

It all blurs together. We feel the same way. We're going through it. And how, what do you do for a living? So when I graduated, I've been working in finance tech for like six years. And my latest job was with the London Stock Exchange. As a product manager, we did interest rate things with large investment banks. But I was actually laid off this summer.

And I had started modeling a couple years ago once I moved to New York. So luckily, I was able to kind of just pivot into that realm. But I do always want to get back into tech or like startup. So, TBD. Nice, nice. And what was dating life like before you went on the show? it was very weird for me like i grew up in southern virginia as like one of the few people of color in my like small town and i did not have a boyfriend until my senior year of college i think

because of that like a lot of the guys would say like they couldn't date black women like whatnot and i didn't have many options and then at college it's like at duke everyone was like so nerdy and i think that we like were all so focused on studies like once the guys got there They just wanted to have fun and party. And no one wanted to settle down. And when I graduated, I moved to Philly. I met a guy. And, you know, I thought, like, this is the one for me.

And I think at the time, I had, like, really low self-esteem. So I basically wasted, like, two years of my life, like, chasing him and, like, pick me, like, love me. And when we finally did start dating, I was able to see a lot of, like, the red flags and, like, how, like, was not being treated well. And I think that coincided. with me moving to New York and like getting real girlfriends and like people who were like hyping me up and like so like you're like amazing like you don't need this and so like the last

two years dating in New York has been interesting like I think the quality of men is so amazing like I've met so many genuine nice great people but now I'm back with the people who don't want to commit and even worse than not wanting to commit they don't tell you that and so you've invested like months to like a year that they're not actually looking at. for relationships. So that's where I was at. And so last year on my vision board, I was like, I want a husband. That's what I was looking for. I think it's something I really, really do want is just a life partner and love and like a family. And when the opportunity arose, like it was the strangest set of coincidences. Like I said, I got laid off. And then I was going in to compete

for Miss New York, USA for my third time. I was the returning fresh runner up. so I was like should have won and that week between like getting late off and not winning the pageant was like when someone had reached out to me of like do you want to apply to be on the bachelor and I was like I guess like I'll hedge my bets like I'll start the process and once I lost the pageant and I you know no longer had a job I was like I guess this is what I'm supposed to be doing at the time was grant announced as being the next bachelor no so by that point all we had seen was part of Jen season and I was like looking at that like similar to what Jen said I was like no one's like really sticking out to me like obviously there were some cute guys grant was one of them but like we didn't really to see a ton of personalities um so I wasn't like I want this man to be my husband but I was open to it and I think we found out when the world found out via Instagram and yeah I was like he seemed really sweet he seemed like he seemed like he actually wants to be a husband and wants to be a protector and provider. And he's a little bit

mysterious online. So it's like you didn't know too much about him. But honestly, in this day and age, that's preferred when it comes to men. Like, I want my man on private with like 200 followers. So I was excited to meet him. Did it feel like what were your hopes and expectations going into it because it almost feels like if I was in your shoes I'd be like this is crazy like it almost feels kind of like fate like everything's aligning like someone reached out to me at this perfect time in my life to do something like this and I'm manifesting a husband and this guy's looking for a wife and like this could really all work out that's exactly it and everything in my life that's been life changing wrestling going getting into Duke like everything was

that way like it's not like I had these like I'm going to go do these things and they completely altered my life so i was like oh this just makes sense in the life of zoe like of course i'd be on the bachelor the year i get laid off from my job um and yeah so that was my thing i'm like very much like trust the process like it's here um it made sense and it definitely like no one was surprised really one more fact about you you were on the boys wrestling team how does that work for boys in high school wrestling with a girl you know what like being in like a small like conservative town I really thought they were going to let me join because there was no women's team it was back in like I don't even know 2012 um but as I said I'm very much like the type of person like if

I'm not supposed to do something like I'm going to go do it like I'm going to prove you all wrong so when I heard that they had openings I went I was horrible I got pinned in 20 seconds every single match for my first year. And typical they all were like, she's not taking it seriously, like don't come back type thing. But I didn't want to let that happen. And I came back and I really pushed myself. And by my second year, I don't think I got pinned.

By my fourth year, I was winning half my matches. But the guys were actually so supportive. Funny enough, a guy that I wrestled like still follows me and he's like, I wrestled you. And he's like, saw that I was on The Bachelor. so he's like so hype so like the guys were so impressed because you would think that I would come in and I would just be like an easy win and I love to surprise people and I never let them win easily what called you to do that like how are you like I feel called to be a wrestler now and I'm going

to do it on the boys team you know I was such a black sheep growing up I was adopted um into like a Caucasian family, as I said, like in a very like white town. I was a complete nerd. I like dressed it as Albert Einstein for every Halloween. So I would just. That's funny. That should have been in your fun facts in your bio. You should have came out the limo dressed up like Albert Einstein. I was like, let me try to get a husband, but maybe one day. I'll show them those photos. But yeah. So I was like always just like so didn't fit in. And at the time, I was like really tall to. I'm five nine. Everyone in my hometown was like, I was the tallest girl. I was taller. I was taller than most of the boys. And I had been playing basketball at that

time. And I heard the announcement. I was like, okay, well, what's going to look better in college? Like tall girl plays basketball or girl plays wrestling and like neither one I'm going to the Olympics for. So I chose to do it. And it really was life changing. I learned so many like skills that you don't get in any other sport or like really much anything. else in life for like self-discipline if you've never wrestled like it's both an individual sport and a team sport like you are reliable for maintaining your weight going to the gym working out but also like learning the moves and then getting in the right headspace um and also like I didn't have a great home life so it was a great escape for those like many hours after school um that

I had a place to go and I think it's also what helped you when I got to engineering because I'm like I'm used to being one of the boys and, like, all of that. So definitely amazing. And now I get to, like, mentor with some wrestlers here, which is amazing. Nice. That is so cool. That is, yeah, wow, I love that story. Okay, let's get into the show.

So night one rolls around. You could have dressed as Albert Einstein. You could have wrestled him to the ground. You went with the T-shirt gun. How did we land on this? Yes, because I really was like, do I want to do something, like, funny? whatever or do I want to look hot and like do something memorable and I was like let's do the hot we can do the fun stuff later um so I had that down from my page and as I got everywhere I got to get my money's worth and I was thinking something along the lines of basketball but I figured some of the girls would probably show up with basketballs play basketball whatever and I was like fan merch like I genuinely want to be a power couple with whoever I am whether that's just we look hot or we're super successful Um, and so I think that's perfect.

Like we'll have some merch. Um, I think my idea was just to throw it over the house to some of the girls or like lay them around, but someone had the idea for this super dangerous scary t-shirt canon. Um, and I was like, I have terrible aims. So I genuinely don't know why they thought that was a good idea. I would be like someone needs to get like a waiver, like should have me sign a waiver before I use this. No, I shouldn't be allowed to use this.

Um, also I didn't know there were girls outside. I was like felt so bad and scared I was like is someone who can get hit so I'm glad it all worked out no one was injured no mansion was injured and the making of my night one entrance and I think it made an impression yeah I would say I think from a viewer's standpoint in ours you're one of the front runners after episode one it seems like you and grant have a really good connection is that how it felt did you feel confident after night one it was this weird mix and I think it comes down I yes I come off confident and yes I looked I like and then I sparkly gown but I genuinely I'm like always like I don't know if people like me I don't know if men like me and so and I don't know what his type was like we didn't know much about grant like does he want a like powerhouse woman or does he want someone who's like more like loving and caring or like um you know and so we had such a mix of women i was like oh yeah we had a great intro and we had like actually a good little conversation then um but i was the second to last girl to speak to him that night so obviously yeah i do remember you saying something like i've been waiting a long time or you said something hinting that you were like one of the later girls literally second to last and you know by that point maybe had a few too many drinks and like um and in our conversation that night

actually got really deep, really quickly, because of the questions he asked me. And I was like, I want to make every moment I have here as impactful as possible. Like, I didn't want to just touch the surface. So I was like, I don't know if that's going to be too much. And I also was like, okay, like, yes, we kissed. But then he was kissing everyone. So I was like, the kisses meant nothing. Yeah.

But I guess on the hindsight, like on the flip side, at least I got a kiss, which then at least showed me. that he was attracted to me, and I do think that we had that initial chemistry, which is something that's really, really important to me with the men that I date. And yeah, so it was definitely a world run of emotions. I did not feel safe at any point. And I was so grateful my name was called like third because like otherwise I probably would have had a heart attack. Yeah, I don't, I don't blame you. It definitely feels good to be called early. What were the vibes like in the house? because you definitely made a bold entrance. I'm Jemel Hill,

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From a very rural background myself My dad is a farmer And my mom is a cousin So like it's not like What do you get when a true crime producer walks into a comedy club I know it sounds like the start of a bad joke But that really was my reality nine years ago

I just normally do straight stand-up but this is a bit different. On stage stood a comedian with a story that no one expected to hear. On 22nd of July 2015, a 23-year-old man had killed his family. And then he came to my house. So what do you get when a true crime producer walks into a comedy club? A new podcast called Wisecrack, where stand-up comedy and murder takes a stage available now listen to wisecrack on the iHeart radio app apple podcasts or wherever you

get your podcasts what would you do if one bad decision forced you to choose between a maximum security prison or the most brutal boot camp designed to be hell on earth unfortunately for mark lombardo this was the choice he faced he said you are a number a new york state number and we own you. Shock incarceration, also known as boot camps, are short-term, highly regimented correctional programs that mimic military basic training. These programs aimed to provide a shock of prison life, emphasizing strict discipline, physical training, hard labor, and rehabilitation programs. Mark had one chance to complete this program and had no idea of the hell awaiting him the next six months. The first night was overwhelming. And,

And you don't know who's next to you. And we didn't know what to expect in the morning. Nobody tells you anything. Listen to shock incarceration on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. A foot washed up a shoe with some bones in it. They had no idea who it was. Most everything was burned up pretty good from the fire that not a whole lot was salvageable. These are the coldest of cold cases, but everything is about to change.

Every case that is a cold case that has DNA right now in a backlog will be identified in our lifetime. A small lab in Texas is cracking the code on DNA. Using new scientific tools, they're finding clues in evidence so tiny you might just miss it. He never thought he was going to get caught. And I just looked at my computer screen. I was just like, ah, got you. On America's Crime Lab, we'll learn about victims and survivors. And you'll meet the team behind the scenes at Othrum.

the Houston Lab that takes on the most hopeless cases to finally solve the unsolvable. Listen to America's Crime Lab on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. You're shooting T-shirts out into the pool. We see Chloe, she puts on the T-shirt, she's modeling it. She seemed to have kind of a playful attitude towards your entrance. Like she was almost like bantering about it with you. did any of the girls have a negative reaction towards your entrance um i i think someone said something about like it almost hit them like i was grateful chloe like definitely broke the ice

because it was one of those things where they could have been like what are you doing and like ignored it um but yeah i think my way of operating is like you never know the opportunities that you're going to have and like i try to take them full force so like I'm going to try to make an impression. I'm going to try to mark my territory. And so I think when I came in, the vibes were like maybe a little bit weird of like a little bit standoffish. Like who is this girl? Who does she think she is?

Which I'm fine with. I think that's how we should all act. Like we don't know each other and we're all about to fight for the same man. Like, but yeah, I think it was an interesting dynamic. And plus since we were the last limo, all the other girls were already talking and like spent quite some time together. before we got there. So I think that was also like a bit like late to the party. And you're I am making a huge entrance.

So it wasn't interesting. What is your, what was your knowledge of the Bachelor franchise before coming on the show? Very, very little. And in hindsight, I'm like, I wish I had watched a little bit more episodes. Like I think everyone watches.

We've all seen it. We know the premise. but I think maybe I had watched one or two seasons in the last like 10 years in its entirety. So I really did not know what I was getting myself into too much. I tried to watch a little bit before I left just to like have an idea of like even what to wear like what are we doing like what is the vibe? But yeah, I didn't know too much. But once I got actually in the casting process, I did look a little bit more and I was happy

like to see that there's stuff like this where there's like a whole almost alumni network where it's like even if you don't find your love story on the show like there's so many opportunities to find love and friendship within the franchise and I really like that part so I was like I'll win one way or another yeah that's a great way to look at it and a great mentality to have going into it for sure um okay let's get into episode two because that's where all the juices um But, cheese. Yeah, it was a poor choice of words. But anyway, you are on the first group date of the season.

You're on the basketball date. You play basketball. How do you feel going into the date? So I was excited because I did play basketball. I was a little bit upset because I wanted a smaller group. Like that was a large group. That was 10 women on one group date, and it was the day right after the rose ceremony. So it's like we hit the ground running.

Like there was no time to get to know each other. There was no time to like sit there and reflect. So it was just a bit nerve-wracking. Okay. Yeah. That makes sense. Something we see, we see it every season. We see someone pretty early on on a group date.

We'll pull the bachelor or the lead aside. and take them away from the group and it usually rubs the group the wrong way which which is kind of what happened which is which is what happened so yeah I just want to hear how that went what was your thought process doing it and yeah the whole thing

well exactly as you just said it happens every season so in my brain and like the way I think it's like there's no rules there like if you know what I mean and so I I knew it would rub people the wrong way but I didn't think it would anger them I thought it would be something like oh dang like she did what I wanted to do and like I'm going to take notes for next time not like oh my god she's this evil mean woman trying to steal grant from all of us because the thing is too like there are ways to be rude in this environment like if I had a rose and I knew I was saying

if I had a one-on-one that week or there was something that we had already established a really strong connection and then I was just stealing him to steal him like yes I could get you being upset but it was like we were it was day one like we had been paying basketball for hours and I had the opportunity to like have some extra time like I don't I need to see also if I like this guy and the thing is if any other girl had done that I would not have been angry at them so I would have just been like cool next group date I'm allowed to take him away like that's what I think and that's the way that my brain works so it was a bit interesting and then the other problem was I didn't know how angry the girls were until we got to the cocktail party so they were like sitting there one talking behind my back but like really hyping each other up to like be angry at me instead of I like trying to talk to me and just be like hey like you did that thing kind of sucks like maybe we had wanted more time with him like maybe tonight like just don't do anything crazy like I would have been like cool no problem um but they came in an attack and they came as a group

and I was like I'm not about to be um bulldozed into trying to lessen myself like I didn't do anything wrong so I can accept that going forward but like I'm not going to apologize for for doing what you would have done. Who out of the women would you say it was like the ringleader and that? Because we do see, and I want your thoughts on this, we do see Allie Joe push you pretty hard during the basketball game. Which was after you had stolen him, right? Yes, I guess that was my first inkling that something was up because like we had come back.

I guess I don't know. I didn't say it. Obviously it's awkward, but like we're about to play basketball. That's more opportunities. Like if y'all want to go do something. leave the basketball game still like you know what i mean like there's other ways to make your mark and so for me too i'm a competitive person but i'm also like a rule follower like i don't know if who wins the basketball is the only people who gets the cocktail party so i'm going to give it my

all we played basketball my team was really good and the other team we like all of a sudden there was like a shift where they just all got so angry and as you saw i was literally pushed on the ground and to me I was like that's not basketball and like I'm a wrestler like I'm not going to sit here and fight back but are we being for real right now you're like I could take you I won't but I could that's what I'm saying so to me at that point I was like oh wait you guys are like being way too like aggressive about this and then there was like inklings that like they were saying like whispering our team was being aggressive and then it was like oh Zoe was being aggressive and it's like during the basketball game once we were saying like whispering our team was being aggressive and it's like during the basketball game once we were. were up by so much. I started telling my team, I was like, stop, stop going full court. Like, we need to pull back. I was the one trying to be like, guys, we need to do less because these girls are getting pests. So I was the one, like, trying to de-escalate the situation. And I got

no credit for that. And so it was just a really weird thing. And then, yes, I got pushing the ground. I didn't retaliate. Like, I was just like, this is a very weird vibe at that point. And then once we got to the cocktail party, I mean, I think there was the two that were the loudest. And specifically, we know the girl who pushed me, Ali Joe, not only is she screaming at me for stealing time with him, which it's not stealing. We're all entitled and you could have like, you can come to steal him at any point. I never envisioned being with a woman. I'll just be honest.

I'm Jamel Hill, host of the Sports and Politics Podcasts politics. On this week's episode, I'm joined by basketball legend, Candice Parker, who stops by to discuss her candid new book, The Can Do Mindset, in which she shares why she waited two years into marriage to come out. Like when I close my eyes at night, every night, I was like, I need to find my prince charming. Like, it was never a princess. Like, that never entered into my mind. But, you know, as I learned, sometimes life gives you things wrapped in a pack of that you didn't expect it. And that was just, you know,

and honestly, it took me a long time to be okay with myself. Make sure to listen to this week's episode of Spolitics on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. Hi, my name is Enya Yumanzoor. And I'm Drew Phillips. And we run a podcast called Emergency Intercom.

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Search Emergency Intercom and listen now. What would you do if one bad decision forced you to choose between a maximum security prison or the most brutal boot camp designed to be hell on earth? Unfortunately for Mark Lombardo, this was the choice he faced. He said, you are a number, a New York State number, and we own you. Shock incarceration, also known as boot camps, are short-term, highly regimented correctional programs that mimic military basic training. These programs aim to provide a shock of prison life, emphasizing strict discipline, physical training, hard labor, and rehabilitation programs.

Mark had one chance to complete this program and had no idea of the hell awaiting him the next six months. The first night was so overwhelming, and you don't know who's next to you. And we didn't know what to expect in the morning. Nobody tells you anything. Listen to shock incarceration on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. A foot washed up a shoe with some bones in it.

They had no idea who it was. Most everything was burned up pretty good from the fire. that not a whole lot was salvageable. These are the coldest of cold cases, but everything is about to change. Every case that is a cold case that has DNA. Right now in a backlog will be identified in our lifetime. A small lab in Texas is cracking the code on DNA.

Using new scientific tools, they're finding clues in evidence so tiny you might just miss it. He never thought he was going to get caught. And I just looked at my computer screen. You know, so it's like, ah, gotcha. On America's Crime Lab, we'll learn about victims and survivors, and you'll meet the team behind the scenes at Othrum, the Houston Lab that takes on the most hopeless cases,

to finally solve the unsolvable. Listen to America's Crime Lab on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. My name is Ed. Everyone say, hello, Ed. I'm from a very rural background myself. My dad is a farmer, and my mom is a cousin. What do you get when a true crime producer walks into a comedy club? I know it sounds like the start of a bad joke,

but that really was my reality nine years ago. I just normally do straight stand-up, but this is a bit different. On stage stood a comedian with a story that no one expected to hear. The 22nd of July 2015, a 23-year-old man had killed his family. And then he came to my house. So what do you get when a true crime producer walks into a comedy club? A new podcast called Wisecrack, where stand-up comedy and murder takes center stage.

Available now. Listen to Wisecrack on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And at that point, that flipped the switch with me, like, because no one stood up for me. Well, that's what I was going to ask you. I was going to ask you, was there any women that were on that date that were, like, on your side at all? Or even, like, afterwards came up to him was like, hey, things have gone too far. Like, are you on your, you're on your own island at this point with, like, no friends yet.

So I think, like, as I said, because it was such a quick turnaround. Obviously, I'm very confident. and like bold and yeah so at that point i hadn't formed any friendships i was like the last limo out and we're playing i would have thought my team would have protected me but then suddenly they're trying to switch sides because i think and again this is my the thing with women that i've had throughout over the years is just that mentality of like group think of like we all have to be on the same page otherwise we're going to ostracize and attack you and i didn't play that like me and my friends. We're all successful. We're all driven. But in different areas, do whatever you want to do,

date who you want to date, dress how you want to dress. I'm not threatened by them. I'm inspired by them. And I feel like a lot of times there's groups of women who need a, like they have their leader and they just like go along with whatever they're saying. And at that point, the group of nine other women had the leaders telling them that I deserve to be attacked. And so during the evening, not a single person stood up for me. And by that point, like, I'm in tears because what is going, like, what is literally going on right now? And that, that was like kind of just a really crazy experience to be in because I have not been in anything like that before. And I definitely have not been like now. As I said, my group and the people, whether it be

pageants, modeling, tech, all of them are just so supportive and just like, so it's just so strange and it's tough because you're like being filmed for the first time and and you're like and i'm being filmed this entire time so you're like you're also so hyper aware because if i go off and i say one thing to them i'm like i don't want to stoop to anyone's level like that was my one thing it's i don't do that and well thankfully actually i've grown very much they've gotten old um to be to the point you're like i'm not going to stoop to your level like you're not going to get me out of character. I'm not going to cuss you out. I'm not going to do these things. And I'm not going to gang up and attack someone for no reason. Yeah. I feel like you said

on the show, you said, I truly believe all is fair in love and war. And I feel like that kind of encompasses your approach of like you are taking a bold approach. Like there's no question about it. Like you are making moves that are naturally going to ruffle feathers, not saying that the, you know, the explosiveness in the situation. was justified, but you know you're going to kind of like pee people off a little bit, but you do seem to be accepting of whatever consequences, you know, whatever valid consequences come with that. And you're like, hey, this is the game I'm playing.

Like, you can play it too. We all have the freedom to move in whatever way we feel works best for our relationship with Grant. Exactly. And as I said, it's all spare and love and more. and then if we had all talked about this like hey tonight we're all going to talk to him one time and we agree to that and then i go steal him five times then then then i'm doing something wrong but if we've not said that like we we didn't say don't take him during the date like it is all fair like and i'm also not going to operate in a way that's not authentic to me like i do bold things throughout my life like that is who i am is who i'm always going to be it's not to it's not bold because I need attention and it's not bold because I'm insecure. It's just bold because

I like to do things a little bit different that like, you know, that's just the way I work. And you're allowed to do whatever you want to do. But, you know, we'll see. Yeah. Let's pivot to like the positives,

the positives of you stealing him. And take us to that conversation on the rooftop of how that went and if it went well. Yeah, we don't see much of what you guys actually talk about. What was the interaction like? How do you feel like your gesture was received by Grant? Yeah. And Grant really liked it. He was appreciative. He's like, I see you. Like, I see you trying to step out. And the other reason I really did it too was because I'm a really shy person naturally and it's something that I've worked over time. And I feel like in this environment

and in these last few seasons where we have seen people there very, very clearly not for the lead. Like, I wanted it to be known to him that I'm trying to get to know you. I don't want to just show up and, like, go episode, like, week to week, like, make it through. Like, I genuinely want to see if we have a connection because I don't want to be taking up any extra time if I'm not supposed to be here. And so that conversation was important to me, as I said, because I only had, like, two minutes with him on night one to see, like, what is our actual vibe? And we actually had a cute little conversation and about just like general things like food and travel and like what our type is normally

and like what we're looking for on the rooftop. Like he had asked me about some about my previous relationships and I got to tell him like, you know, my last partner was like very much gaslit and like narcissistic and like made me feel really insecure and I'm not looking for that again. And it was like a cute little moment. And so I was grateful that I was grateful that

got to do it because my time's valuable, his time's valuable. And yeah, it was just, it was meant to be that. It wasn't meant to do anything else. When we go to the night portion and then we see you and Ellie Joe kind of go back and forth when you are, when you both were taking your time with Grant, that usually is always a rough situation to be in because it usually never works out for either party how was grant taking it you know i think grant as it was a nice man he i don't think he minded like minded as much as like he could have like been like why is it already happening on night one i think he was very much just like understood that it was a very aggressive day of basketball that was competitive to you know now the night portion and like there was so many women

all competing for the time during a cocktail party. Like, how rare is it that 10 women are all at one cocktail party? And we don't know how much time any of us have with him. And so I think that was really nerve-wracking for all of us. And I think he was just very, like, understanding of it. I know he saw, like, her storm out, which is the only reason I said anything, because it's not like I'm, like, was, like,

just trying to bring anything up to him to bring something. off to him like we were in the same room and she like said something nasty and then like stormed off in front of them and like he saw that what did she say at this point i forgot um but that's when i was like oh no like i'm about to walk in a little lion's done but the thing wasn't again i had the opportunity to steal him from her or steal him from her quicker and i literally like looked at a watch and was like no no like five more minutes like i'll give her five more minutes like i just wanted to end the night with him on a good note because I knew there were so many targets on my back and like, again, I don't know how I'm being perceived by him as being too aggressive or too

dramatic or problematic. And I just really wanted to end on like a high note. And that was it. I just wanted to say goodnight and like see you hopefully next week. But yeah, just turn into this whole thing. And then I think he walked into us screaming and crying at each other to hand out the group date rose. So he was probably like, what? I get myself into? Well, you know, it's week two. He's got a lot of time to keep feeling like that. He's the bachelor.

He got himself into a lot. Exactly. So you get, so you end up getting a rose. Yes. Where, what's your headspace after you receive the rose? Now you have, it seems like you have a lot of enemies in the house. But Grant is clearly giving you validation. You got a rose.

and he seems to be into you. So, yeah, like, like, looking forward, what, what's going on? Yeah, I think at that point because there was, like, it's so much on you at one time when, like, you do get involved in any drama because, as I said, like, you're not, like, me personally, and I'm sure, like, some people, they love drama, they want to, like, be in these fights. I'm like, I don't want that. Like, I'm here for love. I'm here for a husband.

I want a girl to know me and I want to know him. But I'm also not here to apologize and to not be myself. And so I was just very much like, I just hope that this drama is over. Like I don't understand. I didn't understand what the girls were holding a grudge. They were still saying little comments during the rose ceremony to me about me. Like it was just so like strained. I was like, are we really like doing this right now?

like um it's we're moving on we're past this week like so you know some people didn't make it and yeah so i was like i really just wanted to stay out of the drama coming up i wanted to see if grant i actually had a connection you know i was really hopeful that he saw that i was trying so hard and that hopefully next week i get a one-on-one like those were like all the things that i was hoping for to um since it was such a tough time i was hoping that like i'll have time to like for him to see me and not me trying to compete with many women but yeah I just moving into week excited yeah but probably a little bit nervous it is it was yeah it was yeah just all of it and like as I said I hadn't been in like in an environment like that since I

lived with my like parents when like years ago so it was like a very strange situation to kind I feel like you were back in that environment as a grown adult. That was just really triggering for me. Yeah. What were your goals and intentions moving into week three? Were you feeling like you wanted to continue with the strategy that you had been moving with? Or were you like, I think I'm going to pull back? What were your kind of goals moving forward with how you wanted to navigate everything?

Yeah, I think my approach was like at that point I had made my, like, that's all I wanted. I was like, I just want him to see me, to hear me to like hopefully get some sort of connection going. And I think we did. And like, that was it. Like I'm not, I don't need a bunch of time. I'm not trying to like constantly step on toes. Like, and so for week three, I'm like, whatever like comes my way. If it makes sense to steal him, if I get the one-on-one, like, hopefully like I can utilize that and like tell him more about myself and like get to know him more.

But by that point, I was just so emotionally drained, even though it was like the first week, second week, that I was just like, I don't want to do anything that is going to put any more targets on my back because, like, I genuinely don't want that and I can't really handle it. Yeah, yeah, 100%. That makes sense. Okay, we're going to play a game with you so people get to know you a little better. Before we do, if you were to tease next week with one word, with one word. Without spoiling it, what would it be? Oh. Shark pink.

Oh. Nice. Okay, that's a first. Usually it's surprising. I like it. I like it. Okay, we're going to do rapid fire, get to know Zoe. It's just rapid fire first thing that comes to your mind.

We're going to ask you some very, very easy questions. Okay. What is your love language when it comes to receiving? receiving love. Ooh. Quality time. What is your go-to drink at a bar?

A martini or a negroni. Who is someone that inspires you? Oh, okay, I know this is controversial, but Kim Kardashian. I like it. If you are on a deserted island

and could only bring two girls from your season, who would you you bring? Okay, I would have to bring Bailey because she is like the funniest person I've ever met and she can recite every single show that you can think of. And Dina. I love Dina. Favorite thing to cook. Oh, I do a good surf and turf. It's a good date night dish too. Fancy. Gold or silver jewelry? Oh, gold. Heels or comfy shoes for a Night Owl. Heels. Are you an early bird or a night owl?

Night owl. What is your favorite thing about Grant? Oh, good question. Well, I think he just was like very, had a protective energy. Like whenever we were together, I just kind of felt very protective. So I like that. And last but not least, if you could describe Grant season in one word, what would it be? Unpredictable.

Okay. I like it. I feel like the promos are teasing a lot to come. So we're excited to see how your journey with Grant unfolds. Thank you so much for coming on, Zoe. Yes, thank you guys. And thank you to all our listeners and make sure you stay tuned to Bachelor Happy Hour because we will be having exclusive interviews with castmates all season long.

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