Back Row and Chill with Jahannah James and Noel Clarke - Stay Home Special Series - Episode 32 - Joshua McGuire, Katie Bonna, Kiza Dean, T Shan Williams, David Albury, Abraham Lewis

Episode Date: April 10, 2017

Noel was back this week for an EPIC episode. We had two amazing guests from Soho Theatre pop by to talk about their projects; Katie Bonna and Kiza Dean. Also in the studio, we had stars of The Life Musical T’Shan Williams and David Albury. Star of Sky Atlantic’s Guerrilla Abraham Lewis also popped by for a chat and we played out the interview of when Jahannah met Joshua McGuire earlier in the day.

This is a Fubar Radio podcast. Go to Fubaradio.com for more details. Back row and chill with Johanna James and Noel Clark on Fubar Radio. Yo! Yo! I just copied you. Yo! It's Friday.

It's Friday. And this is what you should be doing before you go out on a Friday night to party and watch films and shit. It's back row and chill. Yeah. And we're chilled because it's the one before Good Friday. Oh, it is. It's Easterhols now. So everybody's out and about and the sun is out.

The sun is out. Have you got all your chocolate ready for Easter? I know you love chocolate. Like, as men or? No, I didn't say that. I just said, I know you love chocolate. Where you're dead, your mind takes it, is up for you. I haven't, no, I can't actually stock Easter eggs

because if I get one, I'm going to eat it. I've heard that about you. Yeah. Just straight in the mouth. Just girls in the mouth. Straight down. Yeah. They sent me a message.

Noel, talk to your mind. Mike, please. You know, please is the actual word, it's not just PLS. Plus. Yeah, you've got to get down with all the kids and the slang, no. No, I'm too old for that. That's why Brotherhood was the end. I'm done with that.

I'm done with that sort of, you get me, stuff. Oh, they'll change it to please now. Thank you. Thank you. Talk proper English, Mr. Clark, please. When you say talk to your mind, you mean talk into my mic or just talk to it? Yeah, because you tend to, like, rotate around. I know, because I'm not, like, I'm not a radio guy.

I'm like, so I kind of rotate around and do stuff and, you know, And I'm getting ready for Easter, so I'm imagining all the chocolate I'm going to eat too. I'm so excited. I mean, chocolate is, see, it's on my brain. Easter's my favourite because of chocolate. So I'm definitely going to be getting to magazine. But I have to buy them or buy them the day after and they're all half price. That's a good idea.

Hashtag life hack. Life hack, hashtag life hack, good one. That's a good idea. But then what do you eat on actual Easter? Leftables? I don't think that through. Yeah, true. Yeah.

Well, anyway, guys, this is the place to be on your Friday. before you go out and we're going to give you loads of stuff. Jahana, what we're going to... We got a jam pack show. We've got so many guests in today. We've got Abraham Lewis talking about Sky's new show gorilla. Which surprisingly is not about guerrillas. I was very disappointed.

Oh, that would have been good. I do love gorillas. Second favourite animal. We've got Kaiser Dean coming in to talk about expensive shit at Soho Theatre. We've got some of the cast from The Life Musical in London. Lucy Patterson's coming in for film reviews. We've got entertainment news, competitions. Stay tuned for the next two hours, guys.

Fucking hell, that's good shit, man. And music-wise today, I think I've done so good. I've done 90s movie hits. Oh, my God. Okay, so I'm hoping that... 90s movie hits for the tunes. You guys will recognize a couple of these. And if you're liking the music, if you're liking what you're talking about,

get involved, tweet us at Fubar Radio or email into the show. Email into the show. Cheal.com. Cheal at Fulbar Radio.com's the email address. We will shout you out. Get involved. Maybe. Maybe, if it's funny, entertain us people.

Yeah, entertain me. Let you entertain me. That's what you've got to do. That was 90s, was it? Maybe, just. No, I think that's 2000, you know? I think so, yeah. Get your ass up, Noel.

My ass is always up, babe. Always, yeah. That was a good tune. I'll give you that. That was a good tune. Ice cube. Cool. Ice cube.

Okay, so what we got on? Hit me, hit me, hit me. One point. Okay. Hit me with, what's the entertainment news? Sure. What's going on in the world of, the world.

Entertainment news. Entertainment news. Okay, so apparently, yes. Clowns are causing a big, they're very concerned at the moment about the new It trailer, Stephen King's It movie,

because apparently it's going to bring down the business because it's spreading negative images of clowns to children, so it's going to basically fuck up their revenue. But people hate clowns anyway. Do you? I'm not scared of clowns. Me neither. I'm not one of the people that are scared of clowns, and I don't necessarily mind a clown. But the amount of people I hear

that are scared of clowns and don't like clowns, even McDonald's don't really use their clown anymore. What happens to Ronald McDonald? He's in jail with Jimmy Zabble. Probably. No, I'm just joking. But listen, Ronald McDonald is not used anymore

for that reason. Clowns are scary. Well, I don't think that's scary. I mean, to be fair, I've seen scary a makeup on, like, girls in Essex or something, so... Some of them look like clowns, too. Do you know what I mean?

So that's probably more like... Now you're going to get the Essex people on you. If you have a front of... from Essex and do not like what Johanna James just said, please tweet in and email at chill at Fulbaradio.com and tell her that Essex girls do not look like clowns. Well, you know, I'm not saying everyone, just to back track on that.

You can't backtrack. Okay, I'm going to stand by my statement. Okay, so I don't know, clowns, maybe it's a bit of a hullabaloo, but I still want to go see the film, so. I don't want to see it. You don't going to go see it? No, I'm not interested. It doesn't interest me, to be honest.

Not interested in clowns. They've made it like four times since I've been alive, so I'm kind of like over it. What if it was a feast? A little clown. I've a spin on that. Harley Quinn, done, been there, done that. But not a sexy female clown. Harley Quinn's quite sexy.

An old clown. An old female. An old female clown. Not a sexy clown. Just a female clown. Hold on. Is she sexy or just old female clown? Because you said sexy at first. Like, I'm just trying to understand what you're being. Not sexy. Not sexy. You don't have to be. Well, then she doesn't have to be a clown. That's just scary. Just an old woman hiding in the sewer. That just follows you about. That's just, and you turn around. She's there. That's just scary.

I'd have to put. I'd have to go, I'd have to punch it up. That's a film. Listen, you're following me. I know you're following me. You come close her. You're going to get it. And she'll be like, yeah, what?

No, not that, not that. You're going to get a fist. You're going to get this fist. She's going to, that's what I want. No, not there. In the mouth. She'd be like, I want that too. No, yeah, there'll be problems.

There's Noel's new film everyone called She's there. She's going to be out next week. Right, so Barry Manilow. Yes. Been in the news. Wait, wait. Do people even know who Barry Malinow is? People that listen to us.

Well, you know, I have a friend who was all over Barry Manlo. She loved Barry Manlo. Shut up. Yeah, honestly. No way. We used to, like, rip her a little bit for it. Unsurprisingly. Because he is for...

Wait, was your friend 70? No. She was my age. She's loved him ever since she's a teenager. Yeah. But Barry Malo, he's a classic singer. He sings like... Ask your mind with Barry Manlo is.

Go, go, go, go, go, gab. That one. Anyway, he's come out as gay. Shut up! He has not. Yeah? No, he's not. This has not happened.

He's 73. This has not happened. He's been, and he's been secretly married. This has not happened. To his boyfriend. Barry Manelow has not. Do not listen to Johanna James. I think there's a problem here.

No, Barry Maniloh, he's come out as gay, and he said, really sorry he didn't say before, but he thought that fans would be upset. But he's actually been with his boyfriend partner for 40 years, and they've got married. And, yeah. Barry Manelow has come out as gay. Yeah. Well, mate, I've got to tell you, I'm happy for him if that's what floats his boat. But I am surprised.

I'm legitimately surprised. He wears a lot of makeup. I was like, I saw that one. Yeah, and little thongs and stuff, but that doesn't mean anything. Yeah, he has, very much, reveals he's gay. Can you imagine waiting that long to reveal

your happiness there? Must be, must be tough for him. 40 years pretending. Yeah. Can you imagine? 40 years pretending. And the thing is, is that his fans, most of his fans don't mind. They've all sent, like, huge congratulations. And I do think maybe

if he came out... Your friend is crying into her. soup though. Yeah, she's just like, oh Barry, Barry. It's interesting, isn't it? Why did he feel like he couldn't come out? I mean, society's pressure in our industry can be really, society's pressure and our industry can be very

tricky with that stuff. But, you know, he's paving the way. Paving the way. Well, I mean, I'm glad he's happy, but, you know, maybe he should have come out before that. Yeah, you think so? Well. And being happy, then he could have been out, happy. Him and Elton could have been out and about, hitting the town.

Oh, yeah. Because Elton came out. When did he come out, years ago. He was like, one of the first, yeah. George Michael came out, rest of soul.

Yeah, he should have joined the movement. He's a bit late on the train. But you know what? Maybe he thought, I'm going to give it some space and then now I'm going to be all over the news.

I'll give it 50 years. I'll give it 50 years. And now I'll be on the news. You've had your time, Elton. Yeah. It's old news now for Elton, but now. Da-da, he's all over the news.

Wow. So, Shire LeBuff. That genuinely was amazing news, by the way. Well done. Yeah. Yeah, he was. I'm very surprised.

You literally jumped up. It was great. I do not believe that. Yeah. So Shire. Good on your Barry. Sorry. Shire Labaf.

You found a Shire? I like Shire. Shire, I met when I won the bath down, 2009, on stage. And he was one of those people that was whispering over here at the time. He said something really quickly. I won't repeat what he said, but it was nice. And I've seen him since a few times. And every time I see him, he remembers me.

And he'll give me a hug and we'll have a chat. And then he goes, like, I don't have his number or anything. and I never asked him, but he always remembers me and we have a chat. He's a semi-friend. I just think that's nice because he doesn't have to be like that, you know? Shire at a buff. Oh, that's nice, because you hear some of the, he gets a lot of bad press. Because he's a dude, he's just a fucking dude.

Yeah, he just will go out and night out. Yeah, that's cool, that's hot. Anyway. Right, so anyway, his film, Man Down, which is all about a war veteran suffering from PTSD. Yes. It was only released in one cinema this weekend in England. And only one person bought a ticket. So the grand total for his whole movie was £7.

Seven pounds for Australia was a movie. And where did you read this? It's on Sky's Entertainment News webpage. See, I don't think that's fair. Because they've done this to me before. Yeah? Yeah, and I don't think it's fair. Because if a film is only released in one cinema for one day, one screening, and make $7,000, that's not really.

I mean, I'm glad we're talking about it because we have an opinion on it and we're filming and entertainment show but that's not fair because if that's the case then why would it make more money than that? You know, I had a very small British film that we did independently and we managed to do

pretty, with Stories 24 where I met you. Oh yeah. We managed to do decently well with it over here and it got a nice American sale, went to America, talking to... Start up telling me to talking to Mike. I talk where I want.

My show. It went to America. It did really well. That's right. It went to America. Did really well. a US sale and then the distributor in America put it in

one cinema for one day right and the reason they do that sometimes is to unlock TV deals so when they put it in a theatrical screening it ticks a box on a TV sale and they can get sometimes three four times the money of course the Guardian over here decided to make

that a news article and said oh Noel Clark's film lowest gross in film of 2014 in America now that's a cunty thing to do the reason being that actually if they had reported it accurately that it was on one screen for one day, then that's not a surprising, and it was only put on to unlock a TV deal with no promotion, then that doesn't, it's not surprising that's, but they made out like it was a 10,000 screen release and only made like

£40,000. Yeah. And that's not fair. So I don't think that's fair that it happened to Shia Lebooth and that is news and these guys should find actual better fucking news to report on. Yeah. But I wonder if that is, well, they were saying that maybe that was a record. But then they also did put a list of loads of films that made less than £100 in the opening. Yeah, but there's caveat. There might be reasons for that. Yeah, yeah. So I'm glad you brought it up and I want people to know that things are not

always what they seem and that that's lazy reporting. Because it did seem bit crazy. Seven pounds. Make seven pounds. But then also, I was like, wait, it cost seven pounds to go to the cinema in Burnley? Come on London. I know, man. I'm getting up there. Let's go to cinema and Burnley, everybody. Okay, okay. Right, okay. We've nearly

got our first guest on the show. Back row and chill with Johanna James and Noel Clark on Fubar Radio. What a tune. Tune. Okay, so I've got two out of two out of two so far. Two out of two so far. Two out of two. Craig Mac, man.

Do you remember Craig Mac? No. No, too young. Do you remember Craig Mac? I don't even know that song either. I'm leaving this. I'm leaving. I'm leaving.

Why am I here? These people don't know their old hip-hop. Come on. Great Mac is a rapper? Was. Oh, he's not alive anymore. Do you know what? I think he probably still is, but I don't think he raps anymore.

He's not like live on the music. the scene. Okay. In that term he was like in the biggie days and all that anyway.

Guys, we have got our first guest in the studio. Welcome. Kaiser Dean, welcome. Is that how we pronounce it? Kizzer.

Kizah. Kizah. Kizur. Kizur. Kizur. Okay. Sorry. Huge welcome

to Kizadee. Kizade. Expensive shit up in this motherfucker. All right. All right. Talk to us.

Tell us. Because you're here from Soho. Soho theater. Yes. Our show is currently running. and we started, we opened on Tuesday, sorry, we opened on Tuesday and Wednesday night we had our press night and we'll be at Soho Hotel the 22nd of April so come and see us. Oh, a nice amount of time.

Fantastic. And the show is actually called expensive shit. Yeah, I love that. It's kind of from Felakutie's experience when he was in prison and, oh, you have to, how do I make, sorry, how do I make sense of it? Tell us what the show is actually about. Tell us what the show is about. The show is about a toilet attendant who goes from her current world, which is in Glasgow in the toilets, ladies' nightclub, played by myself. The wonderful.

Yes, I knew that. I was just getting you to say it. Oh, thank you. Yeah, please help me. Yeah, so, and it has flashbacks of her when she was younger in Lagos, Nigeria, when she had ambitions of becoming a dancer and to get onto Felakutti's band. And so she and her girlfriends will practice in the toilets, the routine, anything and everything, just so he can notice them and maybe go and towards them and come out of their slum, their village. Basically, it was a way of escaping their reality.

And, well, my character, Tolu, she's really in it for escaping her reality and making something of herself. And it just happens. And some other girls have some other motives, whether they want to be part of his girlfriend or his wife or some don't want to be any of that. They just want to escape too, but they might be pretty, and he might see that and look them in different ways. Different ways, yeah. Yeah. Helping them themselves instead of helping himself.

But, yeah. Yeah. And I mean, I find it really interesting. I mean, she must go on a journey if she was doing that job. Yeah. 20 years ago in Lagos. And then we start the play 20 years later in Glasgow, Scotland. I'm assuming there's a journey through there.

But already for me, there's a sense of, without watching it, a sense of sadness. she's still kind of in the same job. Yeah, it's really sad because the irony of having to practice in the toilets of dancing and how to make her big dream for her big dream to come true and then now working as a toilet attendants and being paid, being also being manipulated somewhat by men to allow to make other girls so vulnerable. Yeah.

Because basically in the Glasgow toilets, there are these two-way mirrors where men are paying her extra because, the club doesn't pay her wages so she gets an extra tip for men coming into the looze and looking at girls and they tell her make them pull their tops down wear more lipstick basically they're just trying to see who they want to go and grab on the dance floor

hold of a second hold on a second there's two-way mirrors in Glasgow toilets yeah and this actually really did happen in all Glasgow toilets not in all Glasgow toilet in this particular shimmy club in Glasgow all right this is terrible I need to investigate this what's the name of this club well no no our club is fictional but it's based on real

Shimmy club in Glasgow. The show on shimmy club I don't think it's no longer call the shimmy I'm joking, I want to go down there but I mean, wow that's amazing Yeah I mean that's I personally as a concept Immediately gets my attention

I'm interested Because everyone's been to a club toilets And to take the Make a lead character of a play The toilet attendant Which normally is the person In sort of the background of your night Yeah and you bring them forward

Which is so interesting And also I think that they should do a show You know like 24 hours in A&E they should do like two hours in the club loser ladies lose because it's brilliant the stuff that goes up, the drama. You're right, you're right. People are having sex. Fights.

Fights. Fights. Best friends are made. I've had, it's been amazing. I mean, I overheard some girl the other day. And she was just like, yes, I have one of those nights. You know, you think you're going out and you don't expect it. By the end of the night, you're being fingered up the bum.

I was like, whoa. Whoa. You're all right. Yeah, it's like really random night out, isn't it? And it's like. And it's getting white. kind of complicated and lose now because I have to literally stand

because you know multiple genders and transdangers so everyone sort of can use the same loo now so I'm... Hold on. Where is this? I need to write this down. I can't remember over the top of my head but I know I've experienced some loos where it's like anyone actually so theatre. Yeah. It's just like unisex you lose. Well I would tell you quickly

no you go ahead and I get kind of scared about that I have to like peep through first like if a man's like I'll wait for him to finish and then I'll go but then it's a bit weird, not knowing where you're going to come out of the cubicle. I always walk in the wrong one. It always is like on the motorway because I'm tired of driving. I'm not thinking. I just walk in and I normally it's quite late and I get there and I sit down.

There's urinal in front of me. I'm like, not for me, is it? Not for me. Some places, I mean, they're going to have to start having more than two toilets. It's going to have to be, you know, cis male, cis female, heterotrans, it's going to have to be like eight different. I wish it was that instead of anybody can go because it's just, you know, You get those random people who can be a bit scary.

I would tell you, yeah. It's strange. I would tell you supper club in Amsterdam. Supper club, okay. So I was in supper club in Amsterdam and I go downstairs to the toilet. And firstly, there's two big things and one does say men and one does say women. But I look in the women's one and there's almost like a big island in the middle where people are sitting and talking and everyone's in there.

And I'm like, I look at the sign, I look at the sign, look down. Hold on, there's men and women or maybe they are, I don't know. Then I look at the men's one, same sort of thing, I'm like, all right, but I go in the men's one. So I go to the urinals or whatever they're called, we're there, and there's a row of cubicles right there. So I'm standing sort of perpendicular or parallel to the cubicles,

and I'm just taking the mister out and I'm peeing and I'm just minding my own business. So in those details, my imagination, so I'm seeing everything. Yeah, seeing it, you're seeing it, right? So I'm there and the doors are tomorrow. I'm a writer, right? The doors open and girls come up. Girls come out of the cubicles.

And the toilet was they just, it didn't really matter about the signs. You could just use any. And about three girls came out of the cubicles. And I was just standing there and there, you know, two of them just went, oh. And one of them had a little look. One of them put you on Twitter.

So you just hurry and finish and put it away. Hurry, I can't hurry. I can't hurry this girl. You just got to do what you're going. Once you're mid flow, you're mid flow. I can't hurry, man. So, but I just, I was like, I went upstairs quite shocked.

I'm like, man, I'm a bit shocked by that. You know what I mean? And then my friend was like, I'll find it quite sexy. And I was like, well, that's you, bro. But not me. I was shocked by it. Anyway, but. This play. It does sound really good. Toilet attendants know about everything. Yeah, they get the gosh.

They hear everything. It's funny because after when I was in touring in Glasgow, I went to a few clubs after just to, you know, under tour letting eye her down. And I literally saw my character. I saw, in more than one of the ones. Yeah, I was like trying to do like, how are you right? Like one, I couldn't speak to because it was just a bit too surreal for me. She could see like she had her own story like her.

I was like, this is probably what my note's been for my director. This is what, you know, that weight, that look she has. Like she just wants the night to be over and done with, but yet she's got to do this pleasantry with me. Yeah. And doesn't really want to look at you. You kind of looks up. Yeah, it looks down.

Yeah. And I was like, and I was really trying to, the other lady, I was really trying to befriend her. She was more welcoming. Like, yeah, you should. Yeah, you look nice. and I was like she's saying things I say in the actual. It was just mad. It was serious.

Maybe techniques to get a bigger tip on stuff like that. Exactly. So you're never sure if they're sincere or. It's interesting. And I never go to the lou of my purse anyway. I'm just literally leaving with my girlfriends and I'm running in just to, but then now, I'm so, if I'm going, I literally have to give something. I have to give some sort of challenge.

I think the men's guys are boiling because we always got our trousers. So there's always money in the pockets. I didn't know that they had a men, men's version. Yeah. Yeah. Well, we wouldn't know that, would be? because they don't really go in there. But...

A rumor hasn't. Spray you a little aftershave if you want it. So how will they do their hustle then? Because you know... So you're walking. You go, as soon as you've like pee and then you wash your hands, bam, they're there with the hand towel. Boss man.

Like straight away, you're like... They're just there. Hand towel and they dry their hands and then they... You know, sometimes even, you'll put your hands by the water and they'll put soap. They'll squeeze the soap. You're like, all right, bro. And you're finished, you're like, boom, hand towel. Then they're like, there's a selection of like aftershaves or...

or whatnot that you can spray lollipop, mince, gum, sweets, whatever you want. The same thing. Yeah. The same thing, but just boys like. But so interesting, because like Johanna said, I never thought about a play. Yeah, bringing, I love that idea.

Bringing the sort of the smaller characters in the real world and putting them in the front, I love it. Turn it on its head, brilliant. So if anyone does want to go and check it out, it's at Soho Theatre. Expensive shit, it's on until Saturday the 22nd of April, so you still got plenty of time to go see it. Yes.

So go and check it out, people. Go and watch it. Expensive shit, Soho Theatre, which is on Dean. street in Soho and I'm opposite there nearly every day. Yeah okay I might come so you do matinees We're going to do a matinee on Saturday yes

You would do Saturday man I'm not done on Saturday That's my That's what it's an hour though It's an hour and a hour and three minutes Do you get in early and do a little rehearsal thing Little run through? Like Yeah we used to in Glasgow tour Do line through run through because it moves so fast

We have dancing we have singing I might come peeping and run through I'm only across the road And so hoarse Yeah come come see us we'd love to have you Well, thank you so much for getting involved and coming down on the show. All the best of lucky, you performing tonight? Yes, I'm going on.

Okay, go and get ready. Guys, anyone who's not doing, you're about Soho, go to Soho Theatre tonight if it's not sold out and see expensive shit. Okay, and just one more thing if I did. No, Clark, I think you're amazing. I thank you so much for kid adulthood. When I saw that movie when I was younger,

it just like... Made you want to work in the toilet? No, not at all. Always wanted to act. I was in the identity at the time. But like, I wanted to take my craft that much more seriously. I enrolled in drama school.

Thank you. Thank you for kid adulthood. No problem. You're welcome. Thank you very much. Cheers. All right. Brilliant.

Thank you so much. You see people do like me, Jahana. It's only you that doesn't. Well, apparently Lucy Patterson doesn't like me. I forgot she was from Essex. She's coming in.

She's like, Johanna, you are bang out of order. Yes. Thanks so much. It is Friday. It's background chill. We are with our second guest. So welcome very much into studio.

We've got Sean Williams and David Albury in the studio. Yes. From the. from the Life Musical. The Life Musical, not play, musical, the life. Welcome, guys.

Hi, how's it going? Yeah, good, man. We're good. Good. We're good. So, this is a big Broadway musical that has now come to the UK, right? Yes, it's the UK premiere.

It was on Broadway 20 years ago. What? It's vintage, vintage musical. Yeah, exactly. Okay, so tell us a little bit about the musical. Well, it centres around Queen, who's a country girl, from Savannah and she moved to New York with her boyfriend, Fleetwood, which is David.

And she has dreams and aspirations of a better life. And it doesn't quite work out how she plans it. She kind of gets herself sucked into this life that she didn't agree to. Isn't that everyone's life? Oh, yeah. Well, not everyone gets sucked into the pimps and hose culture of 1970s, New York. Wow. Which is kind of where this musical takes place.

And you got, so essentially you guys, being Queen and. And Fleetwood are the leads, right? Well, I mean, the wonderful thing about this show is there are no real kind of standout leads. There are certain characters that have a bit more dialogue, a couple more songs. But really, everyone in this show has such a kind of rich character to explore with. I mean, there are some great characters. There's obviously Fleetwood and Queen, but then there's also Sonia, who's kind of old, pimp, played by the incredible Sharon D. Clark.

Yes. And she just... I feel like I know Sharon. Yeah, you would know Sharon. Once you meet Sharon, you don't forget Sharon. I feel like I know Sharon. And there's Cornell S. John, which you know. Cornel S. John.

Where do I know that? Trevor! We have a Goddryla! I made him do that for me. I made him do that for my friends. My friends are listening now. So how's he doing? How's he doing, Cornel?

Oh, man. The guy's, he's magnetic. He's a legend. He's a legend. Yeah, he brings so much to the company. That's great, man. That's fantastic. He's doing that.

I saw that. I was so happy. And it's being directed by the original director, two-time, two-time Tony Award winner Michael Blamemore Yeah Yeah So how was that to have the original guy

Like coming back like to be like That's like that's almost like Like Mozart coming back to help someone Yeah Do the opera Play one of his Yeah yeah How is it?

It's amazing He said that he always wanted to take the show To London and It's his baby And in the rehearsal room you could really tell That he's such a gentleman But he just really wanted to Put it on his feet here

and it was so important to him and he said he just he said he came alive watching it back here in this country because that's what he wanted to do he said that 20 years ago that he was worried that the UK might not be ready for the sort of subject material

but now you're kind of looking back at it it's sort of you're looking back at a spot of time a piece of history and it's kind of more accessible that way now so that's why he feels now is the right time for it and it seems to be the right time for it and we're pleased we're around at this time to be part of it as well and how is the directing process with him is he

is he very sort of, is he open, you know, plays I guess a bit different to film. There's not that much adaptation where you go different, but is he open to ideas and stuff like that or is he very like, you're doing it like this and that's the end of it. Yeah, there's a real kind of, it's a real open kind of atmosphere in the rehearsal room. He's quite old school. I know he wouldn't have a go at me for saying that. He's from that kind of, that discipline where you know exactly what you want when you go into the room.

So he's very particular about everything he wants. But he allows you to kind of discover that through your own kind of voice as well, but he knows where you want to go. He knows where you want to shape. So at first you're a little bit kind of unseated. You're not quite sure if you're nailing it. And then obviously you get into the space, you start running stuff.

And you realize actually he's given you this entire framework to kind of popular your own ideas and intentions with. And that's a real brilliant thing. It's quite exciting to kind of come into the room that way and discover it kind of fresh every day. He'll let you play. And his word is, try it. Have a go.

Try it. So you feel comfortable to, you know, be creative with him, which is good. And Jay, you like a musical, right? I love musicals. Yeah. Oh, brilliant. I love them. Come see us then.

Come see us then. Yeah. And are any songs that people would recognize or is it my body? It's like the anthem especially for the women.

It's that anthem track that's like... Give me a little throwdown of my body. I can't remember that one. Oh, God. Do it. Do it.

On the spot. Literally. We ain't got enough time for it. Honestly. Well, what about out of? It's just basically just saying it's... Give them the hook.

Give them the hook. In this world of like... Give me the damn hot girl! My body is my business and my business is my business. Oh, I know that word. I've heard that one. Yes. It's just saying it's my body.

Oh, she's. Hey, if I'm nothing, you should come to see this show. I'll tell you, the voices in this show are off the charts. Oh my gosh. Yeah, everyone is so talented. It's such a great score as well for people that have big voices and it's great. Cycorman who did City of Angels who did sweet charity. it's this wonderful kind of rich.

There's even this section, it's kind of just an interlude section between scenes in the second act where it's almost takes on a reggae vibe and you're thinking, this guy, where's he drawing on his influences from? I mean, it's got everything for everyone. It's a huge, it's a huge score.

It's on the Southwark Playhouse, can you can't mention that, for a whole month until the 29th of April. That's the last Saturday of this month. We're in April already. Are we in April now? We are. We are in April.

I'm like, what the, it was just New Year, and then now it's... I know. It's scarily. Someone's like stealing the years or the months or whatever. You know when you get over 18, the years just go. When you were a kid, like summer was like the longest time. You thought like you were playing out forever until you heard your mom.

Get home and you run home. Now, catches you off God. You're blinking like, it's Christmas. You're like, what? Next Christmas. That's why you've got to populate life with the sort of things you've got to do. Like come and see the life. Nice.

Yes. There's a plug there. There's a seamless plug there. You hear that listeners. Great musical called The Life at the Southern. Playhouse from March 25th, which has gone till April 29th. Please make sure you go and see it with this great cast

and of course you'll get to see Uncle Curtis. And just a little bit about the how you got involved, like the audition process. Did you guys audition or did you know people in the show? How did you hear about it and get involved? Office, straight. Okay, so my agent just told me I had an audition for this

show called The Life. I didn't know about it. I went in, sang some of the material was like, wow, this is really, really good stuff. after two auditions to Shan Williams and um thank you about it yeah and we met her on the second auditions

I think it was her your second audition as well to Sean and um you can know when you feel a chemistry with someone in the room I kind of felt that and we could tell like me and Jay yeah yeah the natural kind of free flow

chemistry you guys clearly have yeah I hate I hate who is it you mask it well man you should be an actor I know I thought about it like people told me it's not gonna work for me so I gave up no but it was it was very

really good I like the material and when you when you get great material it's a joy to audition for and um fortunately um we were the first choices we we heard that everyone was actually the first choice that they got that's fantastic quite i was gonna tell you that anyway but that's why i don't i'm joking i'm joking i'm joking come on and that's wonderful and you can really see that because everyone inhabits their characters so well and it's so spot on and tishan's a dream to play opposite musical auditions have you had many musical additions no i don't really sing So my last musical audition. Oh, yeah, you did a musical audition.

Well, interesting thing, not like I could ever be good enough. Not like I could ever be remotely good enough, especially, and now I don't do them, I don't have to do them, I don't want to do it. But back in the days, I did a musical edition. And I got quite far around, I didn't really got a godspell, right? But then I went for this other musical audition, and you had to prepare your music and go in there. So I was like, I don't know if I want to do it.

My agent said, said, go in. So I go in there, and I'm singing boys to men, right? So I'm like, I'm a love to me. Big tune. Like you want me to... Right? I'm singing this thing. And I hold you to...

And I'm trying to hit these notes that I just nile on impossible for me to hear. So my eyes are closed. I'm like, all through the... Right? I open one eye and the fucking people are cracking up laughing. Like, they're belly rolling. One of them is nearly off the chair.

That's laughing their heads off. And I was like, came out of there. I was like, call my agent. I was like, never. Never. Never again. Yeah, never again. So that was my embarrassment

at my last ever musical audition. Well, you know what, man? Maybe the game is ready for you now. No, I think like my voice is terrible. It's all right. I should just stick to what I'm doing. Don't worry. Emma Watson and Beauty in The Beast, auto-tuned her to perfection.

Really? Would she like? Yeah, don't worry. Hold on. We've got a question here from Lewis in Glasgow, so we'll go to for all of us. Okay. Would you guys ever go naked in a play? I really like the sound of this one,

being your show. I might have to take a trip to London from Lewis in Glasgow. Well, Lewis, firstly, do take a trip down from Glasgow. go and bring some friends have a weekend up and see the life but to the question would you guys go naked in a play on stage right free bird full no hiding behind leaves everything out I've always wanted to do hair and there's a bit of nudity in that and yes with that kind of license with a play like that a musical like that I should say yes I would so it depends on the content of it but yeah absolutely

but you're lucky to get me with clothes on today man I walk around most of the time without clothes on so I mean like if the material is good but hey you know what I'm sure of yours right from here as well it's kind of cool it's kind of cool yeah yeah yeah Joanna James

I think yeah for the right role and also I would definitely just want to have a chat with like the lighting guy Hyde the cellia light because as long as I was well lit yes you could do something like you know clever with that because I went to see

full Monty the the play, not the musical, there was a musical and there was a touring play which I saw and that was really good because they did go all off at the end but the way that they lit it you literally saw for like a second but then you saw outline and it was just like a really good way of being naked on stage and I was like

yeah I do that. Well Lewis in Glasgow I have done it I have done it yes I got everything out everything out what was that for? A play called Talking About Men which was at the Oval House and then toured toward like Liverpool Leeds, Haldon and blah blah blah, blah, and it was a place set in saunas,

and there was like about five or six cast, all men, and we had to go naked. So everything, willy out, everything, full on the stage. And some of the venues was, like, big about the size of the studio, so you're like, them front row girls are like... They're seen everything. Intimate. What you ate for dinner last night.

You know, they could do... They could do the braille if they wanted to. They could be like... Yeah. Brayette. You know what I mean? And in some places it was like that. In London, fine. You know, in London, no one batted at a lot.

island everyone was kind of like you know then you go Manchester it's fine then you go when you go not in them and then the men get naked you hear come and get out of you let's bomb a clock this down right and that's all you heard and when you went Huddersfield it was like yeah get your cockat

like it was different audiences Huddersfield girls were reaching for it do you know what I'm like do you not get theatre up here or what like some unbelievable but yeah so I've done it Lewis and Glasgow you missed it brilliant and it was before luckily for me it was before that well you know not luckily

I was going to say before... It was before the time of... Smart phones. Smart phones that could record. Because I was thinking someone somewhere must have a picture. There might be a picture. If you guys have a picture of my penis from the play talking about men from the tour, please do send it in.

Tweet it. Tweet it, put it on Twitter. At football radio. I'm proud of my shit, so I don't care. Put it out of there. Represent. Brilliant. Well, thank you so much, guys.

The life. This is cool. Right. we've got our next guest in the studio. So a huge welcome to you, Abraham. Do you want to just introduce them? How's it going? We're good, we're good Friday afternoon. And how are you yourself?

I'm very well, thanks. Yeah. Yeah, what's happening, man? You're doing wet, aren't you? Rising Star of 2017 and all that malarkey? Yeah, fingers crossed. I was one of those many years ago. They were so wrong, obviously, clearly.

What are you laughing at? What are you laughing? You're not. No, great. So tell us, you are in the next. New Sky 1 or Atlantic? Atlantic. Sky Atlantic, the big channel.

Sky Atlantic show Gorilla. Yes. Now, before anyone gets disappointed, like I was, I just have to tell you guys out there, the show is unfortunately not about gorillas. Or any sort of zoo animal. But, Abraham, please tell us what it is about. It's about the story kind of follows

a couple, an Asian woman and a black man who are drawn into radical activism in 1971. And it's a kind of what if the British Black Power movement really took off. Really took off. Wow. Yeah, well, I mean, it did take off. And I think there were a lot of stories that haven't been told.

Sure. And John's, John Ridley, shining a light on them. But this is fictional, but with the background of sort of, Yeah, background of the real history of the real history as things happen. Now, this might surprise a lot of people. You are neither an Asian woman or a black man. No. What part, what wonderful

part that you play? So, um, the, the two guys, the couple are sort of hunted by a character played by Rory Keneer who is an amazing actor. His dad was great too, yeah, yeah, yeah. Who is the head of what was called

the Black Power Desk. Yeah. And this is a real desk that the special branch police had to deal with black activism. Yeah. And they got police who were sort of brutalized in, was then Rhodesia and I was in Barboy and took them to London to deal with black power activism. So you can see where their bias lay. Yeah, where their mind was and all that kind of stuff. And I play his son and Rory's characters caught up in a whole lot of shit.

basically. John Ridley's so great because he kind of someone looks really nasty and looks like they do really horrible things and then he shows you their life. Shows you why they might behave the way they behave. Yeah, exactly. Oh I love that. Why are monsters? Why do you like a monster? Yeah. You know it's kind of like you know, yeah when you watch a film and someone's doing something and you think oh my god they're horrible but then when you watch their life you kind of understand yeah exactly. You might not agree with what they do but you might kind of

understand a little bit where they're coming from. There's a quote somewhere that if you really know someone, you'll love them. Because you know exactly why they behave the way they behave. Yeah, I don't know if I agree with that quote. There's a few people. I'm just not going to like them no matter what. Do you know what I mean? So that's great, man.

And when did you shoot that? And are you looking forward to the release? You must be looking forward to it. We've finished November, I think. Late November. Yeah. Yeah. It's weird because I've done.

a film and the turnaround on that that still hasn't come out. We shot that like a year and a half going out. Yeah, yeah. So the turnaround on this has been quite quick. We'll get on to that film, yeah. One other thing, people might not know guys that are listening to this wonderful show, guerrilla about, you know, this black activism

in 1971, fictional story, and it's Frida Pinto, isn't it? Yeah. It's Free to Pinto and it. What guys also you should know, which might help you, not that you should watch it just for this, but the executive producer and one of the actors, of course, is Mr. Idris Elba. So, this show has a good pedigree.

Abram obviously is a fast up-and-comer, so you guys should definitely check this out. What? And so tell us now also, you know, we're all going to try and tune in to that show. Tell us about your film that's coming out. Oh, so this is, it's called How to Talk to Girls at Parties.

Yeah. Are you good at all you? No, I'm terrible. I don't believe that. Still haven't learned. I don't believe that. You don't need to do anything. Just stand in the corner and look pretty. They'll come to you. Please.

Yeah. There's a writer called Neil Gaiman who's like a fantasy writer. American Gods. Yeah, so great. And he wrote the short story about two teenage boys going to a house party and meeting aliens in 1977.

Wow. And it's a director called John Cameron Mitchell has taken this short story and blown it up. And it's now three boys and a lot of aliens and Nicole Kidman. Wow.

And it's a crazy, crazy story, but I think absolutely brilliant. And you're one of the leads in it? Yeah, the short stories follows two boys. Yeah. One sort of quiet, one more loud. And the film has made it three. So I'm kind of the loud one. I'll bring them into the party and get everyone going.

Fantastic. And that shot in America? That was shot over here. It's set in Croydon. I don't know what, but New York, sort of New York artists talking about Croydon and stories from Croydon. I think it's brilliant.

But yeah, they came over and sort of... Wow. That sounds great, man. Representing South London? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so when can we see Gorilla? When is guerrilla stuff? Guerrilla comes out on Thursday, next week, I think.

April 30th? April 13th. And I think all six episodes are coming out at the same time. Oh, Scott's bust on the next Thursday. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, great. So you can binge it all the way through. Love that.

Love that. Yeah. Very, very exciting. And what else have you got? Have you got any else planned in the sort of the pipeline? I'm trying to write a film at a moment. Oh, that's what I love to hear, my friend. That's what I love to hear, my friend.

I'm telling you, man, it's the way forward. Because sometimes you know what it's like, man. We all know what it's like we're actors. Sometimes the phone doesn't stop ringing, you love it. And then one day you're like, hold on, what's happening here? And the best thing to do is just create your own stuff, man. Exactly. Yeah, I love that.

Yeah, I've sort of watched a film called The Lobster and a film called Her. I heard about that, yeah. I saw a lobster, I saw her. I love her. Really weird romantic stories set in a kind of future world that's not too far from our own but still a little bit different

and yeah, me and my friend are trying to do something. I love that. Well, you need a producer. You send that to me, man. I'll give you my card afterwards. Oh, wicked. We see if we can help you out with that. Oh, thank you so much.

Yeah, no worries, man. I love what you're doing, mate. I think you're doing fantastic. We look forward to watching you in Guerrilla. Thanks very much. forward to watching you in how to talk to girls of parties. By the way, I was an expert at that when I was younger.

Just so, just so you were younger. What would you say? Go on. I'm not going to do it now. I don't want you to leave him. I don't want you to leave him. If I start putting the moves on you. It's that powerful.

It's that powerful. It's that powerful. It is that powerful. If I started putting them old school moves on you, you would be leaving the dude. Dude, I know, dude, I'm cool with you, man. Like, you know that. Like, me and you get on.

Like, I ain't see you too often. Like, we're cool. She's my friend. I know her for years. for you. If I put the moves on it, bro, it's over, so I'm just not going to do it. Okay. I'll stay safe. I'll stay safe over the picket line here. Yeah, just stay right there. Whoa. And plus

there's ladies out here too. They all start pouring into the room and stuff like, yeah. You should do, you should get a podcast and charge for it. No, no, no. It's best to keep it under wraps, man. Okay, just keep it in secret. But my friend, like, yeah, I know you got a gift. I know you got that gift, man. Just to look if you, you got that gift, man. Ladies, listen and this guy is a

dude. I'm so bad at, like, small talk and chatting people up and I was a bit party, like, so do you like cheese? She's great. She's a life of the party. Jan's a life of the party and when people are out. She's always, you know, has a lot of fun and stuff like that. Anyway, guerrilla.

Yes, Gorilla, Sky Atlantic. Oh, that is the biggest Sky Channel that you could possibly. That's the top. That's the king of Sky. That's like the HBO. You know what I mean? Yeah. It's the one.

Because they do, well, they try to do 50% English and American, but it always ends up being more American. So fantastic, there's like an English one on there. Yeah, yeah. It's going to be great, man. All right, man. Well, we look forward to seeing you night. Look forward to your movie.

And good luck with everything else you're getting up to, man. Thank you so much. For the rest of the year. Boom, right. We're doing that. Thanks for coming in. We're doing 90s movie hits, movie songs. And this is, well, it's a Prince song.

You very correctly pointed out. But it was covered by Quindon Tarva in Romeo and Juliet in 1990. Baz Luhrmann, Romeo, yeah. One of my favorite films. I love that. Before my time, that. Really? Yeah, I'm younger, didn't you?

Oh, yeah. You don't look it? I'm so shit. Come back. Welcome back. I am joined in the studio by Joshua McGuire. Hi. Welcome, welcome.

Thanks for coming in. Pleasure. I weirdly saw your face this morning before I met you. Oh. You're all over the tube right now. I'm very sorry. Did I ruin your morning? No, I went, oh, that's weird.

I'm on the way to see him right now. And there he is, right there. Because you are in a play at the moment. Yes. At the old Vic. Yeah, Rosencranton, Guilden are dead at the Old Vic. And we're about halfway through our run at the moment, and it's going really well. And how many are in your cast?

There's 16 in the cast. Okay. Yeah, so it's quite a big cast. And so it's myself and Dan Radcliffe and David Haig, who is part of my childhood because of four weddings and a funeral, which I was just obsessed with. So, yeah, so there's 16 of us. So for a play that quite a lot of people think is just about two people.

There's 14 more people than people expect. Yeah, I thought it was a two-hand. I was just going by the poster. Yeah, yeah, exactly. That's all right. You've educated me. And that's, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are dead. That's the one, yeah.

That's a weird title. So what's that about? Because I literally have no idea. Well, so Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are two supporting characters from Shakespeare's play, Hamlet. And Tom Stoppard, 50 years ago when he wrote the play, took the two supporting characters from Hamlet and made them the main characters in his own play. And it kind of takes place, if you, you imagine that the play Hamlet is taking place in the wings.

Okay. But our play is taking place on stage. So every now and then, Shakespeare's play does come on stage, and Hamlet comes on stage and speaks Shakespeare. But as soon as everyone else disappears, Rosencrantz and Guildensterns start talking in modern-day language. And it's a kind of a comedy about, I mean, on one level, it's a comedy that would just hopefully make you laugh on a basic level.

But also, if you take it up to its many layers, because it's by Tom Stoppard, it's about, death and identity and existentialism and metaphysics and all of that kind of stuff. So, yeah, it's a pretty kind of out there thing, especially for a play that's, you know, it's 50th anniversary. And annoyingly, he was 29 when he wrote it, which is my age, which is really, um, annoys me. Oh, wow. Yeah.

Wow. That's, and I mean, at the old Vic, so I'm trying to encourage, because I hope that the next generation of people are going to be more over. open to, I'm more excited about going to the theatre. Definitely. And I think that this is really good for getting, for drawing in, because obviously, with Dan. With Dan, especially.

Absolutely. He'll draw a crowd because, does he like to be called Dan rather than Dan? Yes, I guess so. Okay, so you're saying Dan. Yeah, I'm saying it too like I know him. Yeah, Dan, Dan. Well, that's what's so great about it because it's a 50-year-old play that people of Dan's kind of fan base.

generation who grew up with Harry Potter most likely won't have heard of and if they've heard of it they certainly won't have read it I hadn't read it before we started doing it so what an amazing opportunity to get people who will have never heard of that maybe might not have even heard of Tom Stoppard to come and see a play that they normally wouldn't have seen so that's what's so great about having Dan in it

because once they're through the door they're there and they're going to watch it and hopefully we'll enjoy it and it will open them up to not only theatre, as you say, but also Tom's work and it can show them that, even if they thought this, you know, theatre is for everyone. It is. It really is. There's something about the live. Yeah, exactly. Which is like, and I always like to ask, because I'm an actress as well,

and I always like to know what's gone wrong? Because with live shows, there is just so much opportunity. What's gone wrong and have you fixed it? Well, the dialogue is quite fast-paced and quite kind of between me and Dan, sometimes it just goes at an absolute pace. There's this one bit in particular that a couple of times we've gone off the tracks and we've had to kind of put ourselves back on. And luckily Dan and I have each other's backs in that sense,

but you just see panic in each other's eyes suddenly appear. But thankfully, because we know it so well, as one would hope, because we're halfway through the run, we can get ourselves back on the tracks. I mean, last night, I mean, there's lots of, because Tom's quite a, I mean, he's an incredible writer and his work's quite tricksy in the sense that in Rosencrantz-Giltern, anyway, there's quite a lot of repetition,

but repetitions with slight changes. Oh, that's so annoying. Exactly. So you're like, wait, are we on page three, we're on page 29? Well, exactly, and that kind of happened last night. And panic appeared in my eyes. Okay. And Dan got us back on track, thank God.

but it's you know the language is modern day but it's just as Tom plays with language a lot and actually Tom

English is technically Tom's second language because he's Czech and he came over to England when he was younger so it's quite interesting to do a play by someone who English

is their second language because the playfulness in the language is so evident so if we do go wrong you have to make up stuff in Stoppardian language, which is not the easiest thing. At least it's not Shakespeare. Well, exactly, yeah.

I'd say it's a step down. There was a girl at my uni. We were doing one of my drama school. We were doing Shakespeare monologue performances, and she just dried at the top of it, at the very top. I had no idea, because she was doing a monologue from a Shakespeare play

that I didn't know. I think it was Anthony and Cleopatra, and I didn't know it. So she literally made up on the spot, a Shakespeare monologue. And she was, like, dancing around the stage and, you know, giving it, she gave it, like, 10 out 10. And afterwards, I was like, oh, great. And everyone else was sort of like, what are you doing?

And I was like, well, she was great. I was like, that wasn't Shakespeare. I was like, well, it wasn't good. But, yeah, I think I would, drawing in any play, you could save a ball, probably apart from Shakespeare for me. Yeah, sure. Well, apparently there's an old actor's tale that if you forget your lines in Shakespeare, you turn to someone and say, come to the market and I'll tell you all and then you walk off

I've heard you say and therein lies the end and then look at someone else and then walk on so yeah between me and you we'd be able to like end the play and get off the play it'd be a short play but it'd be good

well you know so how did you get involved with the play did you audition was an audition process so I about August last year My agent said, do I want to go and speak to, or meet Tom Stoppard? And I said yes, obviously. So we went and had a chat and the director was there and we read some of the play.

And then I went back again and I met them. But these were kind of like three-hour sessions in a room in some like kind of ledger. You know you hear about those members clubs in Soho, like not the new ones, like the proper old ones with panel walls. It was like that. If anyone just tuned in right now they'll be like, what? There was a three-hour session in Soho. Yeah, exactly. There you go. Yeah. At a members club. Kinky. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Sadly, it wasn't kinky. Or maybe not sadly. But no, it was, so that was good. And then it went kind of quiet and then they were looking for someone to kind of play the other role. And then I got a call saying they think they might have found someone.

and actually Dan and I have worked together before I work with him on a TV show he did called Young Doctor's Notebook Oh yes, yes, yeah, and so we So we already knew each other and he came to see a play I did And I went to see a play he did And then I did a play at the Dom Mar Warehouse called Privacy Which was a new play And then that play about a year later, two years later

Went to New York off Broadway And Dan played my part And and I was called by the director of that play and she said, oh, we're going to do it in America and we think we've got someone to play your part. And I just said, it's not Dan, is it? She said, yes.

And so Dan and I's careers, the multi-billion dollar wizard franchise aside, have kind of dovetailed and stuff like that. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. And so when they called and said they might have found someone, again, I said, it's not Dan, is it? And they said, yes.

So we went to New York for two days. and did a reading for our director, you know, we were essentially in New York for an hour and 15 minute meeting, but I'm not going to complain. Yeah. And so I kind of walked around New York jet lagged and not really knowing what time of day it was.

And then it was all set, and then it was announced. So, yeah, that's kind of how it works. So we had, since September, we've known we were doing it, which is kind of good to get on top of. of the lines early because there's quite a few. You want to get them in? And just with your, so you've done lots and lots of other stuff before, before this play. Have you had got any really awful or funny audition stories?

You know what? Have you managed to get through? I don't really have any horror stories. I mean. You're in like the 1%? I know. I don't have any horror stories really. I mean, and I've never even, bar maybe one,

not met any complete and utter, I don't know what I'm allowed to say, but like, complete and utter assholes. I've never met any apart from one. He was a complete asshole. Just the one, off. Just the one. So, no, I'm really lucky.

I know that's so boring. But I don't have any embarrassing audition stories, actually. Well, I turned up to an audition once, and I lied and said that I could do more. martial arts. Oh, classic. So yeah, those are the kind of situations. Did you get it? I did actually. Oh, well, there you go. But he said because I didn't panic when I didn't know it. Quite right. I mean, obviously I did panic, but I obviously acted very well that I did it. That's brilliant. It's all about saving. Yeah. Saving those moments. Exactly. I bet that wasn't your

fault either. I bet they screwed up there. It was an agent to an agent thing that got, it wasn't my fault. Not your fault. You know, my damn it. But it's always, that's, they're my favorite things for, well, I love the behind the scenes of how people got the roles or who nearly, have you have got any, had any near-miss roles where you've nearly got cast in something? Oh, God, I mean, who hasn't? Yeah. And you end up watching it like, oh, mm-hmm.

Well, yeah, no, there's some, I think there's a really unhealthy attitude from actors when they go, oh, that person got my role. It's not your role. You didn't get it. So stop complaining. They got it. It's their role.

They got their role. Yeah, I just can't, oh, God, they got my role. Not your role. your role people. Shut out. Yeah, exactly. You've got to chill out. Otherwise, you'll never survive in this.

Do you know what I mean? Yeah. No, but I love the, and I always think the stories, it's like, and there's always those actors who nearly got this role, nearly got that role,

nearly got that role, and then they got like Superman. Of course. And it's like, boom. I think that's what actually happened to Superman. Yeah, there's so many stories like that. Henry Cavill missed out on,

like the top so many. Right, yeah, yeah. And then eventually he landed Superman. It was like, well, that's the reason why you didn't get that one, that one. Exactly. Yeah.

Everyone pops at different times. Exactly, 100%. Yeah. So what would be your dream in the future? What would be like your dream iconic kind of the role? Would you like to play a Hamlet or Macbeth? Well, I did Hamlet at the Globe. So I feel like, yeah, tick that one off.

But I was never, I never have, I read an interview with someone once where they said they were better, they were all, at school, they'd like to be told the title of their essay rather than make up the title of their essay. own essay and write that. So I'm quite bad at knowing I like it when people tell me. Do you know what I mean? Like do you want to play this person? You go, oh, sure. I don't really have

any, maybe it hasn't been written yet. But I can know the vibe. Like, I know I'd like it to be, I find new writing more exciting than stuff like that because you all get putting your stamp on it, you know. I did a play, my first ever job was a play called Posh.

which was at the Royal Court. Well, that's just about to come on again. With all female just next door. Yeah. So, and that was all, well, it was just a group of lads around a table at an Oxford Dining Club. And that was amazing, because we originated those roles. And when you do a new piece of writing,

your involvement with the writer is so crucial that you have a hand in creating those characters. And that's what's amazing when you go and, if you buy, you know, play texts at the front of the playtext, it says this production was first produced in so and so. And then if you look down the cast list, it can be, you know, an amazing array of names. So that kind of stuff would definitely be my favourite to do. To do.

And do you sway more towards comedy or drama? I'd say if it's probably not necessarily taste-wise, but what I end up doing is probably comedic. But, no, I love mixing up. Someone asked me the other day, it said to me the other day that the characters I play on TV tend to be nice and stupid, and the characters I play on stage

tend to be horrible and clever. That's really, I don't know what that says. About if a camera's closer to my face, maybe I look nicer close up. Yeah. And I can look, I don't know. What does that say? about me. That's a very confusing CV there, isn't it? Yeah, yeah, exactly. Well, on the two-thirds

Molo, would you ever think about directing or going into another side of it, or are you firmly on the performer? I don't know, really, maybe, yeah, I think as you grow up and you have more and more experience of it, you think, oh, maybe that would be something I'd like to do, but at the pressure, I think, of directing or something like that, I mean, at least as an actor, you've got one thing to worry about, whereas the director you've got multiple things to worry about, especially on a film set. I know Dan, I think, Dan's very keen on, at some point directing or something like that, but he's grown up on a film set. He will know a film set inside out, you know that for sure. Yeah, exactly, and how it works and what does work and what doesn't work.

But at the moment, I'm very happy where I am. Yeah. And would you ever like to do a big a Hollywood franchise like a Harry Potter style. Yeah, why not? Epic. Yeah, why not? I mean, I love those. The Harry Potter films are great, I think. Oh, it's my happy place. And I am one of those people. I'm going to say, I have a tattoo. Of Harry Potter? Not of him.

Oh, wow. What do you have? I have, well, it's kind of like a secret members club thing. So I've got a tattoo on my leg, which I asked the tattoo guy to hide the Deathly Hallows in like a geometric design within the tattoo. So people look at it, they don't know. But if you're a Harry Potter fan, I've had so many people go, is that Natalie Hanar? So you're a big potterner, are you?

Yeah. Oh, great. I love that. I've auditioned for the movies. Did you? Got a callback for Luna and I was like so happy. You'd have been great. And I didn't get it.

But anyway, it wasn't my role. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. But it was just, I was the same age, I think I'm exactly the same age as Dan, bar a few days. Yeah, so I grew up literally the same age as everybody, read the book at the right age and stuff.

Oh, great. I'd be like my youngest sister's 15 she loves it but I'm like girl you're like yeah it's interesting you're just catching up I know I wonder how what because it's weird to think of a generation now that aren't living Harry Potter as it's as it's going I came out didn't get to see the cinema I know like 10 year olds are they into Harry Potter they are they are like the younger generation are but I was like no no no you don't understand what it was like a school when that Harry Potter book dropped nobody talked I remember and people used to read it overnight you would be there and everyone be having a

It's like massive race. Nobody would be doing anything. Yeah. And if you gave out a spoiler, I remember the big thing was who was the initials from the locket, something big. And it was someone black, wasn't it? It was serious black.

R.B. That's it. And everyone was talking about that. Who's they're going to be? But they're grateful. Dan says apparently he hears that lots of people tell him they're brilliant to watch hungover. I think so.

Yeah, like on a Sunday, just whack on. Yeah, and you can have anyone, anyone works. any order. They get better as they go on, right? My favourite is number six. What's that one? The hard blood prints. Okay.

It's my favourite one. So, yeah. I didn't want to go on to Harry Potter because I really wanted this to be about you, but we just ended up fan gelling over Harry Potter. That's amazing. So just to recap if anyone's just joined us, we are talking about the new play that's on at the old Vic at the moment.

And Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are, that's hard to... That's a tongue question. Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are dead. Are dead. They are dead people. That is a line from Hamlet. Oh, I see. It's all fallen into place now.

God, you can't say that hungover, though, can you? No, no, absolutely. All drunk. We're speaking to Joshua McGuire, he's starring with Daniel Radcliffe in at the moment. Until when? When does it end? We've just been extended by a week,

so we finish on the 6th of May, so hopefully there's more ticket availability. Yeah, okay. So you can go and check that out at the old Vic, not the young Vic. We're going for the vintage Vic. Yeah, that's the one. right now.

Brilliant. Well, thank you so, so much. And all the best of luck, and you've got to go off today because you've got to go and do your preparations. Well, yeah. It takes me at least eight hours. Vocal things.

Yeah, exactly, yes. Yeah. Whatever you guys do, get ready. Yeah, exactly. That. I think you guys should do like a Facebook live before you go on just to, can you imagine. Yeah, God.

It would be so boring. I think we just sit and talk. I think the weirdest, for people who don't know about actors, warm-ups. Yeah. If you walk in on that, I mean, that's weird than walking in on people

like having sex or something. It's very weird. I mean, I got, you get used to it in drama school walking in in the morning, like, morning, and someone's just like doing splits up the wall being like, mum, mum, ma, ma. And it becomes very natural for guys to walk around in their leggings. That's what I find, yeah.

And suddenly you're on the tube in your leggings, like, hold on. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I've missed the mark. I saw someone the other day near Barron's Court, which is where Lambda is, and they looked like a drama student. And then I saw he was wearing traxie bottoms. I was like, he's definitely a drama student. Definitely a drama student.

You just live in those for three years. Yeah, I lived in black, joggy bottoms and plimpsoles for three years, came out and went, what is colour, what is fashion? What? I'm in 2008, this is what? No, brilliant. Thank you so, so much. And yeah, have a great rest of the show.

Thank you very much. Cheers, bye. Back row and chill with Johanna James and Noel Clark on Fubar Radio. Yo, we are back. That was Joshua Maguire. Man, he can talk, man. He can talk a lot, yeah. That was like 15 minutes. Well, it's interesting.

He's doing a play with Daniel Radcliffe. All you've got to do is go, yo, bro, you're going to play with a Harry Potter. What's it like? Great, great. See you later. Bang. Is he really magic?

Yeah, yeah. I love that question. But we've got other other things on in the theatre that we should let people know about. Other things in the theatre, wonderful things. Do you like that? And that is not a lie. No.

So we've got our final guest in the studio. We're going to be talking about all things I lied about. So if you'd like to introduce. Yeah, of course. I'm Katie Bonner. She's Kate Di Bonner. Amazing to be here. Yeah.

Yes. And your show is called All the Things I Lied About. Yeah. I love the fact you guys are reading that out accurately from a press release. I'm not like. Because some people have been like,

it's like everything I ever, every lie I ever told. Yeah. Every lie in the world. So, so tell me. Yeah. All, yeah. The play is called All the Things are Right.

Yeah. Is it really all the things you've lied about? Generally? I would say it's. Are you lying right now? I mean, that would be a spoiler, right? I told you that. But no, I mean, obviously, it's, I would say it's a, in the end, it is a summary of some of my worst lies.

That's a good place to start. Connected to some of the biggest lies that are like around us in the world now. So I'm not, I mean, the title is all the things I lied about. But I'm talking about, I begin the show talking about Brexit and talking about Trump and talking about the lies that we're just like watching every day and like laughing at like oh isn't it ridiculous I was getting away with telling all these crazy lies and then you know this morning happened

and this is where the world is now you know it's when I made the show and I took it up to Edinburgh last year of course the election hadn't happened and I had the sex year change your material yeah we've written it for Soho yeah yeah because before I was talking about the way that he I talked a lot by gaslighting in the show as well which

is Yeah so basically it's it's in the press loads at the moment because of Trump but basically it's like the act of manipulating somebody psychologically

so they doubt their own sanity so they doubt their own reality so and it happens loads in you know relationships and in situations where there's a power struggle between people basically

and Trump does it quite a lot to the world so essentially for example when he when that tape was leaked the pussy grabbing tape was leaked and he issued this apology he kind of he uses

the same kind of tactics that an abusive partner in a relationship would use to try and like maintain power and like manipulate us yeah why it's okay that he said it and also like why we're wrong for being offended by it you know like to make you feel

and he'll say you know hey I never said I was perfect so what are you bothered about like this is the real world Are you perfect? Yeah, exactly. And also Bill Clinton did worse things. Okay, oh, well, that's okay then, you know. Yeah, like throwing shade in other people.

Totally, all the shades in other directions. And by the way, Obama's not born in America. Blah, blah, blah, right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. And all the shady throw on Hillary about things, you know, she has so much thrown her way that, by the way, I think wouldn't have happened if she was a man. I wouldn't have had the same resonance if she was a man.

I agree. But that's another conversation. Agreed. But, you know, he, he's. He's using the same tactics that an abusive partner was using a relationship. This particular thing, gaslighting, is something he does a lot. He's doing it now with this whole fake news spin, you know, because actually if people in America slash the world begin to think,

and we all know that what we see in the media around us, like isn't perfectly accurate. Of course we do. We're not idiots. But at the same time, we... Well, a lot of people are. Some people are. Some people.

Yeah, yeah. But I really like to give people the benefit for doubt in as much as like we have a sense that what we're being told isn't... But by him saying that everyone else is fake and actually putting out of their fake, that's fake, that's fake, it makes people start to think, well, maybe he's right and maybe he's real

and maybe he's telling the truth. Yeah, exactly. And even if you don't believe him, this is scary, but even if you don't believe what he's saying, it confuses, it creates confusion, it creates conflict, it creates like big conversations it creates noise.

And all the noise that he creates means that he is like just slowly being able to like bypass, essentially like the voice of any opposition to him and just like assert his version of what reality is. Which sounds super dark but like

I genuinely think it's happening. Yeah. On the news. Yesterday's one was interesting too because they said there's chemical attacks here and then after they're bombing everyone. It's like, well hold on. Wait, wait. Like wait.

Am I? sure that that actually was who they told me it was? Because I didn't you know, I don't know that. There's so, this morning I was listening to the news and there's so much of the language they were using just sounded so like what's the world I'm looking for?

It sounded so it didn't sound definite basically, you know? Yeah, very vague. vague, thank you. Exactly. It just sounds vague. It sounds like, yeah, there is strong suggestions that. I mean, I'm not accurately quoting, but

I'm hearing a lot of that language around things. And so, yeah, so I am talking about things, probably just went off mic men. That's fine, I do it all the time. They send little notes on this thing here. They send little notes and say, talking to the mic, please, and all that. I'm like, fuck that, I do what I like.

So you use the show to highlight these things and lies that you've told. It's a connection between the two. I think there's a really strong connection between, like, okay, so the reason I wrote this show is because I have this very, I don't speak to my dad anymore because he told a really massive lie in our family, which broke our family apart.

I don't speak to him anymore. And I have... Can you tell us that lie or is it in the show? I would happily tell you, but I think I should probably not, in case anybody comes to see the show. It would be a bit of a spoiler. Okay, alright, go so. I'm so intrigued.

But it's that deep, it's that deep that you don't speak to Dad in. I haven't spoken to for eight years. Wow. Yeah. And so I've... I don't know, like, I wrote a lot of poetry in form of poetry as well, and it's how I sort of got into writing plays.

And I just, every single poem I wrote would end up being about my dad in some way. So I thought probably should write a show about, wow. The flowers in the middle. And I'm going to kill Dad! Yeah, exactly. Going out for Mackey Dees. I hate my dad.

Yeah. Interesting play one. Exactly. Deep. So I thought I should probably write something proper about it. So that was where it started from. and then I thought I actually want to understand how he was able to do what he did

so then I started looking into I call it the science of lying but that's not like a thing like you can't go and get a PhD as far as I know I think you can probably could actually there are some fun boys out there that have got PhDs in lying oh yeah in lying yeah I just mean in saying the science of life yeah

but yeah so I started to look into it and it's just I mean when you stop pulling the thread of how much we lie and how instinctive it is to lie it's kind of terrifying because we are conditioned to lie before we're like we don't naturally tell the truth we naturally lie and we have to choose

the tell the truth like that's just how human beings operate. It's true isn't it? Yeah. I try I try not to I know. Oh what to lie try not to lie yeah but that's the thing is really interesting is that a lot of the lies will be even on a really basic level things that you wouldn't necessarily

consider to be lying if someone says hey do no and you go yeah I'm good oh I'm fine and actually there's something much deeper and darker going on that you just don't want to articulate in that moment and we're so used to telling tiny lies in just day-stay conversation to just like keep the conversation ticking over

and keep people happy. I threw the tank through the wall, it was great, you know, don't worry about it. Yeah, yeah. And even, I can say like somebody you love has had their haircut and it looks like horrendous, you're not going to be like, whoa.

Oh, no, he told him to pen up, disagree. See, because I'm quite, I'm agreeing with you in the terms that actually, yeah, how you doing? Yeah, I'm good, mate, I'm good and sometimes you're clearly not good. But generally, I mean, you know me. I'm genuinely and generally not a person. Like, if someone walks in and something looks terrible, I'm like, that looks. Fair enough. You know that looks.

Fair enough. I might even whisper it like, brother, like, what's getting on? Yeah. But you know, you need to get that sort of. Yeah, you need to sort of. Well, that's good. I mean, that's some good friending, I'm more inclined to be like, it's so interesting. I mean, that's a choice.

you. Yeah. You know? And she's like, isn't it Clarkie? And I'm like, no. Like, yeah. It's just so different. Yeah.

Strong choice. Yeah. So it might not be that. Those might not be the things that you fib about, but there are just, it's woven into our lives in a way that we don't always see,

is the point. And so I think the, and you know, we start lying when we're like, I mean, like, recent studies show that babies, yeah, when they're like six months, six months-ish.

Did you do that? old. Oh, completely. But you've got chocolate on your face. No. But before they can understand what you're saying to them, they will pretend to cry if they feel ignored.

Or like pretend to smile because they know it makes people happy around them. God, a little trickster. I know, a little truckstops. I've got three of them, so I've seen it. Remember, he's my oldest now, but he was maybe three at the time. He discovered the chocolate coins and ate all the chocolate coins.

And put the rappers by the fridge. Like, hit them in the corner by the fridge. like stupid as hiding place but that's three. He thinks, oh that's great, I'll put him there. And you come in and you see all the rappers on the floor and you're like that and you're like, did you eat all the chocolate coins? No, daddy. Well, who ate them?

I don't know. So why have you got chocolate around your mouth? Do you know what I mean? Exactly. There's a stage. It's when you learn to like verbalize your lies but you have learned like zero, there's actually a story in my play that's really like that, zero subtlety at all.

And like just the weird shit that we lie about. My weirdest lie, this is a tiny spoiler, but it's my weirdest lie that I can remember telling is when I was five, my sister, who I was really jealous of because she was blonde and she could do cart bills and stuff like that. Not into blondes. I mean, I'm a brunette man.

She, I don't know, she's just my older sister. Like, I don't even need a reason for it. And I was like, hey, I, I've made a special drink for you and I gave it to her and she was like why is it like why is it warm I was like because it's a warm drink I mean good lie right

great I love that lie I would have felt for that I had weed in a cup I knew it was going there and she drank that I mean she had a sip of it yeah that's fantastic and my parents and my grandparents were in the garden as well and they all just looked at it and I thought it was

the funniest thing You got we! I thought it was actually hilarious. I thought I was the funniest person in the world in that moment. I've got to tell you, I find that pretty funny. Thank you. I'm going to try that tonight. Validation.

You have vindicated. I find that pretty funny. That is top A1 prank. That's a A1 prank. These days, that's a YouTube prank. You would have made like a million pounds of that. You're so right. You would have gone absolutely viral.

It's a warm. It's a warm drink. Yeah. Oh, great. Oh, thank you for this warm. This warm yellow drink. It must be some new lemonade. I have an apple.

Hey, guys. I don't know how yellow it was. pretty well hydrated at times. It could have been quite clear. It could have been quite clear. Cloudy, I love it. Actually, guys, if you're listening, if you have a corker of a lie

that it can beat that, then let us know, tweet us at Fulbar Radio. What is the worst lie that you've ever told? Or best, depending on your opinion. The best or worst lie. Just tell us all the lies you told. Or chill at Fulbaradio.com and we will shout you out

because maybe you get some inspiration from other people. You can do a whole different show. Absolutely. On other people's lines. All the things everyone else has lied about. Yeah, exactly. But that's fantastic, though.

So, I mean, I'm guessing this goes through like everything like relationships and work and blah, blah, blah, blah. We all had relationship lies, haven't we? Oh, yeah. How is it for you? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, fantastic. I've never done that before.

Why are you moving away from me? Oh, it was so wonderful. I have to be away from you. Are you throwing up? No, I'm good. Oh, God. Brito. Brito.

Yeah, I mean, that's classic. Yeah. You're big. You are like big. Yeah. Figures. Oh, yeah. Wow.

Loads of girls have told me that, have they? Great. That sounds like a great show, if I'm honest. I'll be honest. I'm honestly, it sounds great. And you've been doing pretty well with it. It's been like, what, you've been,

have you been touring around? Not yet. So we were in Edinburgh for the whole of, you know, August. And it was amazing. It was awesome venue. It's called the Roundabout. It's owned by a company called Pains Plow. And it's like a fully portable venue,

but it's in the round. Yes. It's like 170 seats. And it's fucking cool. It's like got Ellie. built into the roof of the actual structure and it's really great. So we were in there and we... Do you mean that or are you lying like?

No, I mean... Who can say? It's a really cool portable venue there. It's a really cool portable venue. I mean, yeah, exactly. Yeah, off my... Yeah, just as I was telling a different story. That was really cool and it just I was really amazed at, you know,

how many people came and really connected to it. And I was raising money for Women's Day while doing it because they, because I do talk about gaslighting a lot in the, peace and they're amazing charity who do loads for survivors of domestic abuse. It's a women's age, yeah. And they actually lobbied the parliament so heavily for a law change, which came into effect in 2015, which now means that if you, well, that coercive and controlling behaviour in an intimate relationship is a criminal act now.

Wow. I mean, in 2015, that became a criminal act, you know? I mean, actually convicted the first person of that this year. But that's purely through the work that Women's Aid did. So, anyway, so after the shows, I would go and collect money for them. And people shared some really amazing stories with me about things they've been through and about experience they'd had to do with gas-diting or with their relationships or things the show are, you know, that they've related to in the show. So it was a really cool experience.

Have you thought about? Have you, not a humorous question, a serious question. Have you thought about it? Because what you're saying, I think is quite important. And actually, I don't know. I don't know if it's because I was raised by single mother or just because of the writer and me and I always like to understand things but I think like

have you thought about doing a book about not just your thing but what you're talking about some of the stories you've heard about gaslighting and the controlling things and you know because I think it would be much like vagina monologues many years ago was quite important and it's quite important but like what you're saying it could be

you could have like a book of stories of people's stories and you could like do it. Stories by gaslight yeah Oh, good. You could forward it and, you know, can I take this guy with me? It's like a gift to you. Do a bit of funny stuff, tell your own story.

Then they tell your own story. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I do, I do, that's actually a really amazing idea. I am actually, I'm writing a book, but it's a fiction book. And it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a way. And I'm really writing it because it's a book that I would have really loved as a teenager. Sorry, yeah. I was sitting there like, what?

She's like, right. It's a ya book. I'm into that. Y. A yaw! Y! It's like really, it's for us. It's a y-ya-ya-a-a-a-book.

It's a y-ya-a-ya. Yeah, young adult. Yeah, young adult. Yeah, I'm basically writing the book that I would have really, that I wanted when I was a teenager because I was going through this really messed up situation at home. And so I'm writing that because I feel like if you're in the middle of that and you are placing all your trust in the people who are raising you and you can't see beyond that, it can really, I mean, that's really what happened with my dad.

You know, it is essentially you hold somebody up to be a certain thing. And then when you realize there are completely different. thing. You're like, who the fuck are you and who the fuck am I? And, you know, what the fuck is going on? You know what I mean? It is, that's a really intense thing. But I hadn't thought about that, but that is... I think that could be important for your women's aid stuff, especially.

Yeah, absolutely. Still do the fiction, but I think that would be good, especially someone who's sort of in the public eye, you can kind of front the book and stuff like that. I'd read it. I would so read that. I'm all over that. I really would. I was reading Vigna Monogues when I was 15 and my friends were still laughing at the word. Like, they were like, you're like, oh!

And I was like... She's an amazing. Woman. Chapter 5. My first period. She's an amazing well, yeah, I always think about that. Whenever I make a show, I'm like, don't make that show, Katie. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Friends reference.

Just to recap anyone joining, we're talking about all the things I lied about, which is on at the Soho Theatre. It's going to start 20th of April. 18th of April. 18th of April. Until the 6th of May. Ever so soon. We're going to have to bow out. But thank you so much for coming in. Go check it out. It's Katie Bonner and

directed. But why are you not directing it, Katie? Why is Joe Murphy directing him. Because who the fuck is Joe Murphy? Who is he directing him? He's amazing. Why is a man? Why is a man directing this thing? Oh, you gotta have a man's voice in that.

Oh, do you have to, eh? You got it, you got to keep him to equal. He's really amazing director. He's actually directing John Boyega and Voitzacker at the old book at the moment. Okay, I'll give him a pass. All right, yeah. You have a pass, John. He's all right.

Sorry, Joe, Joe, John. You have a pass, Joe. Great. Okay, fantastic. And he's directing it. Katie Bonner at Sore Theatre, 18th of April, till the 6th of May. Guys, please do check it out. It's called All the Things I Lied About,

and it's not about what Jahan I lied about, it's Katie Bonnish show. It's brilliant. Pleasure us. Who's calling me? Did you call me? It's your gang name. What's your crew called?

Clitoris. Clitoris. It's a terrible name. It's a bad boy crew. Don't mess with them. That's the clip crew, boy. That's a clip crew. They're really sensitive.

Don't mess with them. Don't come straight over it. Maybe they won't. That's the problem. Oh right. Oh, right. It's getting silly. This is the last...

This shows about films. Why are we talking about that stuff? Why was that advert in the middle of our show? Exactly. No, that was a trail. Why was that a trail for Hannah's filthy show? Because that's what we do. We shout out each other's shows on this show.

Did they shout at our show? Yeah. Ever? Yeah. I never hear that because I guess... I mean, of course I hear that. Oh, yeah. Really?

I mean, of course I hear that. All the time. When I listen to their shows. All the time I hear our trails. Our trails are so. funny on their shows that I listen to regularly I might start listening to her show she sounds like a real foolplay I think you'd like her

show you'd like her YouTube channel is she dirt? It's really good Hannah are you dirt She's a feel She's like well well this Hannah's not here Lucy Pats I'm here though So welcome welcome welcome Hello hello yeah Film review time

It's part of show where we talk about what is Good and what is shit Films back to what we do Let's do film film reviews and also bit TV Yeah Bit TV oh yeah that was the thing And a bit of TV. Yeah.

Yeah. And a bit of TV. So, what have people been watching on TV or Netflix or whatever? What have they been enjoying or hating? Hate is a strong word. Yeah. There's actually nothing I hate this week. There's no shitters.

And that's quite refreshing, actually. I went to see Ghost in the Shill and it wasn't the shitter. Oh, really? Yeah. It's got really bad. Well, see, this is the thing. I don't really. No one can really decide whether it's good or bad.

And I went and saw it in IMAX. So obviously, it was one of the most. amazing things we've ever seen. Just a little bit of an explanation, what we're talking about. Ghost in the show, it's a sci-fi film, and it's adapted from the Japanese manga, anime. There are different between the two, or are there something? No, I'm not in, anime film, manga, film, whatever. The same name.

So, straight away, people are pushing back against it. As people do with anything in their life, if it's going to be adapted, they think straight away, it's going to be shit. But it was actually a well-made, amazingly visual film. absolutely beautiful to watch and I think the fact that we've made so many advances in cinema and that films like that can be made overwhelms me. It's absolutely

beautiful to watch. I mean the performances were good but I wasn't really looking past how good it looked. How good it looked like the CGI of her and absolutely and even the action sequences and her body she is

in shape Scarlett Johansson I'm talking about by the way Her body, a CGI, sort of suit. Please don't ruin it for me. I hope it wasn't. It didn't look like it. I mean, at times, obviously, if there was effects like bits coming off because she's a robot, then maybe it was.

But when she was actually moving, that's the whole thing. When she's actually moving around, you can see that it's probably just spandex or rubber. And Michael Pitt made an appearance as well. I like Michael Pitt. He was in funny games and bully. I love bully. And he was also in the dreamers getting his willie out with Eva Green. I have not seen that.

for that heads up? Does he? Does he? It sticks a photo to it and she peels the photo off it. Oh my God, no, well done. Thank you. I'll be watching later. I love here.

I watch for Eva Green because she does some stuff for that as well. Yeah, she's got a dirt bag in a lot of films, she. In 300, she gets nailed. Yeah. Rise of an Empire. Is that one?

Yeah, but that's still movie sex. Like in The Dreamers, she's like full front of camera like an inch from her vulva. Yeah. Yeah, it's excellent. I mean, it put her on the map for

Wow. Not necessarily. I don't think she's chuffed about it. I think like since then she's really, she's really picky about what she does. She does in terms of that. Well, Michael Pitt doesn't seem to be picky about what he does. No, watch it. She literally, you'll see.

I will, I'll watch it. I'm hoping that Michael Pitt will now make a return to mainstream cinema. Maybe he doesn't want to. He's a good actor. He probably doesn't want to, but I think he's absolutely off the scale. And really, if I'm honest to myself, they probably chose him because he looks a bit like Scarlet Johansson. Right. And that's quite important in the story.

Okay. Yeah, one's seen the film. So, yeah, everyone should. go and see it and go and see it in IMAX if you can it's visually stunning. It's a director of Rupert Saunders, isn't it? Who directed the Last Planet of the Apes and did a film called Prison Something. No, did a film called, I don't remember what

it was called. But it was a film that came out when adulthood came out many years ago. But he did a bloody sterling job, it was amazing. Everyone go and see it. The story might be a little bit weak, but who cares when it's that beautiful to look at? Lucy is saying, go see ghosting a show. So if you're going to hit in the cinema this week, if you do hit the cinema in the sun, which a lot

lot of people don't, which is why people don't like bringing films out in the summer, unless they're massive blockbusters. Yeah. Yeah. But go see ghosts in the show. Yeah, definitely do it. Well, some people don't like sun. No.

Sun allergies. Yeah. Also, you're going to have like a nice big free, cool cinema sitting. Yeah, that's true. I would tell you this. Even though it's not boiling hot, if someone said to me, you can have your four seasons, winter, autumn, all this, or you could have this.

Permanent summer. I'll take this. Yeah, just like a neutral. Yeah, just the neutral. It makes everyone so happy. Right. So Netflix. they've released it

because there's so many original series now so this is 13 reasons why 13 reasons why 13 reasons why I was like oh what's this about Yeah I'm intrigued by that It is basically

opens with There has been a suicide of this teenage girl And she's narrating it Yeah And she leaves 13 No cassette tapes But 13 sides of a set of cassette tapes

Wow And she has Yeah but obviously But obviously said in the modern day That's why she sent Oh That sounds great And it's the 13 reasons why she...

Wow. Because it's an old show. No, no, brand new to Netflix. Netflix's original. Brand new. 13 reasons why. Hasn't Salina Gomez got something to do with this? Is she a producer or something?

I'm not sure. I didn't recognise any of the cast. They're all young, up and comers. They're good. And it's about this guy who was a friend of her, who found... I think he was a little bit in love with her. They were friends.

And it's a mixture of the modern day tapes that he's listening to and then flashbacks of her story. And you can tell, and she sent them to specific people in the school who had a reason to do with her death, I think. It touches on sort of bullying and so she... 13 reasons. 13 reasons why.

She gets with one of the jocks, and then the jock takes a photo, sends it around the school. So it's all kind of getting into that, but it was enough of a really good... I only saw the first episode, oh no, two episodes, and there was enough in there for me to go, yeah, this is cool. Yes, Selena Gomez is something to do with this. and it says there's a documentary called 13 reasons why,

behind the reasons. Selina Gomez is involved in that. Yeah. So I'm going to add that to my list as well. So yeah, get that on Netflix because it was good and it was well acted. And it's just an interesting concept of going back to the retro series. He has to go around on a Walkman. And she also includes a map and she said,

these are the, and you need to listen to the tape, as I'm saying it. And I'm going to take you to these specific places where important things happen. Oh, wow. And so he goes to like the park where that happened and this and then that. So it's cool. And I'm wondering whether there's going to be a twist to whether she, you don't actually see

any sort of the death of the suicide you just told that she has, I'm wondering whether she has really died or she, she's going to be like, I'm alive, fuck it's. But maybe, I don't know. And you're not, is that the edge of clip? She's like, I'm alive, but now you're not, and kicks him off the edge. Do you know what I mean? I'm just thinking, anything

could happen, that is possible. It's all a bit yeah, people are in, because you're seeing the modern day and the flashbacks, so people change characters, it's all brilliant. Is it weird? I just thought of a whole movie while you were saying that. No, it's not weird.

Something just popped into my head, an original idea. That just happens in your brain. You churn them out now. Yeah, something just popped into my head. I'm like, oh, that'd be a good film. Anyway. Note it down. By the end of the show, it'll be written.

And it's not anything like that at all, but something you said just sparked something. I love that. There's this whole theory about ideas and the fact that ideas are actually pre-done, they're flying around, and they're looking for people to land on. Oh, I love that.

And if you are open to it, if you're like an open, the idea will approach you and it will, It's why you can get hit by an idea. It's also why two people can have the same idea. At the same time. Yes, they can.

The ideas are just coming at us. People evolve at the same time. You literally, you literally, people will invent something in one country and go, that is good and I'll patent it and somebody else in the different country

who's not connected by doing it at the same time. At the same time, we should do this. There's like a science of it saying that it's actually like, so it's not your idea, you are just the receptor of the idea

and you were just open at the right time. And it because you know an idea, it literally hits you. You go, ding. Yeah. And it's that, That actual light bulb. You said one word.

And I was like, I can't oh. Bing. And something just went, boom. And I just thought with this whole film. You were receptive. I'm going to wait. Oh, we've had an email. That's a film in itself, though.

We've had an email in about, because we asked people about what they've ever lied about. And says, I once joked about cutting my sister's hair, but I actually cut them off. And then I lied and said I didn't do it, but I stashed it in my dungarees. I was a little bit. Love Hannah. Hannah. Hannah, well done, Hannah. That's so funny.

And from Jack, I once lied about, Claude. in a toilet with my poo. Lovel in it. Wasn't me? I tell you what though, hasn't everybody had one of those moments when you're at some stranger's house? This is before you get to that age

where you never do it anywhere else but your own home or like some safe place. But you're in someone's house and you think, oh man, I just need to and you just go and then you do the flusher and the whole thing, the whole cisterine falls off. It's between that, dumb and dom. Yeah.

No, I've done that for sure. It's, you know, and I really fancied the guy who's the house on the house. Oh, no, man. Even worse. You should have just done it out of the window. Like out of the window, it's safer. We just aimed it.

Just put your bum out of the window and drop out of the window. It's just safer. Life hack. Man, you must have wolves around here or something like that. That's a big old shit down there. You must have a big fox right here. Me, those bears. You know what I mean?

So, yeah, that was 13 reasons why. And just before we close, I need to talk about where I went last night because I went to see the American gods. I'm so jealous. Premier. Oh, yawn. I love Jonathan Tucker I'm so jealous of you

And it was good It was very weird But I'm excited about it And I was excited about the Even just if you watch it for the opening credits You ever made the opening credits Brilliant So it's based on a book by Neil Gaiman

And We also wrote the film that Buddy Abraham was in, yeah yeah Weird we had Neil Gaiman come up twice in this show But he So basically it's following This guy who

Is a god? No he's not a god He's a human Ricky Whittle And he's in prison and the day that he gets out of prison is the day that his wife dies in a car crash. And so he's trying to get across the country to go to her funeral. And he meets on the airplane, he meets a god.

So gods live among normal people. And there's really ancient gods. And then there's all kinds of religions, it mixes all the faiths up. And then you've got other things like there's lepracorns, goddesses, sex goddesses. There is the new gods as well, like the gods of social media. Oh wow. And it's actually amazing. So it's the gods of social media is this young, trendy guy with all this digital stuff.

And he's a massive dickhead. And he's like, if you've got a cell phone, you worship me already. That's true. That's funny. So I recommend American gods for sure. When you start American gods? Soon. Very, very soon.

It's going to be out on Amazon Prime exclusively. They have thrown so much money at this. It's beautiful. Emily Browning's in it. Ian McShane. It plays the main god called Wednesday. And it's a bit like a road trip between this guy. Just got out of prison and Ian McShane.

American gods, eh. Yep. I'm definitely looking forward to that. So I'm going to talk more about that last week because I've got awesome. I've got, we recorded a Q&A with all the actors afterwards and it was brilliant. In two weeks, we're not here next week or anything. What? I think it's good Friday. It is good Friday.

Oh, week after. You're going to be in a chocolate coma. I'm glad you said that because I would have been here. And just before we go, I'm going to announce. And just before we go, I'm going to announce. the winner for this week's competition. So I'm happy to announce that we pick two winners. The first is Stephen from Bedfordshire and Craig from Leicester.

We are going to be retweeting you back and sending you out. You've won a signed Brotherhood soundtrack vinyl. Oh, so lucky. Brotherhood vinyl soundtracks. And don't worry if you missed out because we're going to be restarting the competition right now. So go over to the Twitter and just retweet what we're about to tweet now and you'll be in with a chance of winning another set of those. So amazing.

Well done. And we're into close. We're into close. We did it. Another one done. Another one bites the dust. Guys, enjoy the films and the TV and everything this weekend. Have a good one in the sun.

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