Back Row and Chill with Jahannah James and Noel Clarke - Stay Home Special Series - Episode 33 - Allison Kugel, Sabine Krayenbuhl, Zeva Oelbaum, George Evans

Episode Date: April 21, 2017

This week Osy was Jahannah’s co-host! Sabine Krayenbühl and Zeva Oelbaum joined them to talk about their new film Letters From Baghdad, of which they are directing. George Evans, co-director of the marvelously scary play The Gap In The Light. On the phone we had Allison Kugel to talk about her new book ‘Journaling Fame: A Memoir of a Life Unhinged and on the Record’. Finally, we had Lucy Patterson with some more honest film reviews. All this plus two competitions! Yes, two!

This is a Fubar Radio podcast. Go to Fubaradio.com for more details. Back row and chill with Johanna James and Noel Clark on Fubar Radio. Boom, we're back. After Easter. Oh, what an Easter it was. Oh, what an Easter. It's DeHannah James, and I'm joined today by...

Get it right. Get it right. I want to say the wrong word. Ozzie you're killing. There we go. Yes. Third time's the charm. I've probably had stage fight then.

Oh, no. Ozzy is my co-hosts for today. Indeed I am. He's filling in for Norquark. Mr. Clark. So welcome, welcome. Thank you. And, right, so we've got a pack show for you today.

We've got lots of guests coming on. We've got Lucy Patterson doing film reviews. We've got all the latest in the entertainment gossip. And what's coming out in cinema? What's good? What's not? What you should be sending your Dosh on? I just watch Power Rangers.

And I'm not going to lie to you. I really liked it. I really liked it, too. I thought it was dope. And I think the reviews of that film are very, very bad, but the film was amazing. I don't really look at reviews. I'm my own reviewer. Same. Also,

this might, like, I'm going to feed myself to the Lions here. I watched Ghost in the Shell as well, even though that was, like, widely boycotted, but that was also pretty fucking dope, man. It was a good film. Be your own reviewer, I'm saying. Yeah. So, no, I was, I was a massive, actually, I've got a lot of the songs from Power Rangers, the soundtrack,

because I've been listening to that all week. It's good. So we're going to be playing. Actually, let's kick off off right now with something from Power Rangers. Let's have a look. What have I got? What have I got? What have a got. Who's your favourite Power Rangers? Oh, the yellow one. Billy was mine. He was so cool.

Oh, but of course in the movie. Oh, yeah, yeah. He was, he stole the show. Yeah, he did. The Blue Power Rangers absolutely used. I want to like a just spin off of just him. That would be great. This is one of my favorite songs from the Power Ranger soundtrack.

It's called Hand Clap. This is Back Run, Jill. See you in a second. Amazing. Love that song. Love that song. Gets me up in the morning on the tube. It did the job.

It did the job. We were just having a quick talk behind backstage, behind stage, Mike, I don't know what you call it, while the song was on, about montage music, because I think that was in a montage in the Power Rangers movie. Yes, it was when they were getting their asses handed to them by the putty monsters, or the holograms, actually. The putty monsters. Oh no, it's the putty monster. Yeah, I love a movie montage. It's my favorite things ever about movies.

It's one of my life goals to be in a movie montage. And Ozzy just said, why don't you make your own? So I think I am. Boom, there you go. I'm going to go just make my own. Make that shit happen. Movie montage. And, I mean, obviously I'm thinking like epic movie montages that come to mind like Rocky.

Rocky or the Creed film had one just like the Rocky. Yeah, which was, you know, Rocky two. Are there been any in the Marvel films? There's got to be. There must have been. Oh, Tony when he's like trying to suit on for the first time, like an Iron Man One, I think. Oh, yeah. There's a really good one of Mrs. Doutfire.

I don't remember that one. Oh, yeah. It's like Mrs. Delfire learning to be Mrs. Delfire. Starts off and he can't like cook. can't clean and by the end of it he's like booging with the hoover and stuff yeah it's um to a dude looks like a lady oh yes yes that's like epic montage moment that was good if we're missing any montage moments that that should be mentioned like email in chill at food bar radio or tweet us at food bar radio and we will give you a shout out let us know if there's

any like top movie montages or top movies that you think deserve some airspace yeah Oh, karate kid, obviously. What the hell? Oh, my gosh. See? See? The more you think, the more you're like, God, that makes the movie. Bloody makes the movie.

Right. Entertainment News. Thought a little bit. This is the part of the show where we tell you what's going down in the world of entertainment. So let's just intro this right now. It's the entertainment news. Love it. You just like went with it there.

Yeah, no, it's fine. It's cool. Fuck it. Let's just go. On the ball. Let's do this. Right. So, so.

Top of the entertainment names, Kira Knightley has appeared. She's popped up in the latest trailer for the new Pirates of Caribbean 5. Isn't she in all of them? I've never watched the Pirates of the Caribbean before. Get out. No, I haven't.

I'll go now, sorry. Run, rabbit one. I've never watched one. It just never really appealed to me. Oh, my goodness. Yeah. I remember, I watched, when I think I was like, what was like 12,

when the first one came out, I went to the cinema three times, which is a lot of pocket money for like a 12 year old. Cinema as well, man. Yeah. I went three times. I was in love with the film. I wanted to be Elizabeth Swan.

I wanted to be Jack Sparrow as well. And I loved it. And then I didn't read, like the second and the third, I watched just kind of because it had been. Wait, there's five of them? They must be good films then. Maybe I should give it agendas. Definitely watch the first one.

What would you compare it to? Oh my God. It's like action. Well, that's the thing. It's a genre. It's a pirate genre. It's not quite being replicated. Oh, okay.

It's action adventure, comedy. But there's also... Magic? Yeah. Has it got some folklore? Because I know that there was like black beard in one of them or something. Yeah. So they take a bit of history.

So you've got like historical characters like like historical pirates and whatnot. But they mix it in with sort of spooky voodoo stuff. So the curse of the black pearl, all the pirates are dead. Huh. And there's like... So zombie pirates? Pretty much, yeah, zombies.

That sounds dope. Why have I not watched this? Why have you not? If you know me and you haven't recommended this film to me, then we are no longer friends. That sounds fucking dope. It's so good. But what happened?

So this was 10, no, not even that. It was the year 2000 they filmed the original one. It is so old. Yeah, that's like making me feel old. It's like kids who were born in year 2000 are almost allowed in clubs now. That's how old that is. Jesus. Jesus.

It's old. Please, because someone will make a pill to shrink your age. Please, quickly. I'm like firmly believing that we're going to be of the age where we're going to like... Transfer our consciousness into robots. Or something. Please. Please.

But so this was a long time. Part of the Caribbean was 2000. And then the last one that Will Turner, so there's like a love story that goes on between Elizabeth Swan, who is Kiranitelli's character, and Will Turner, who's played by Orlando Bloom, Legolas. Yes, I know Legolas.

Yeah, so Legolas and Kiranilani, they get it on. Let's get it on. They are appearing the first three films, and it ends with them having a kid. Oh, wow. And so that was 2007. Is this going to be like a fast-forward thing, Yeah, so in 2007, the kid was 10, 10-eish, 10-11,

and now it's like 10 years later, and there was all this speculation that Kiranite Lee and Ireland of Bloom were going to come back. It's confirmed they're both in the trailer, they're both in the next movie, and then the new young, hot lead is their son. Oh, I get it now, okay. That's a bingable weekend of Pirates of the Caribbean.

For sure, swashboggling. So I'm so psyched. I can't decide whether I'm more excited for the new Pirates of the Caribbean or the Galaxy. I don't know. Guardians all day, mate. Oh, I know. That was good.

Guardians is so sick, man. And now, like, the whole team is a lot bigger. Like, the guy with a little whistle stick that kills you with a tune or whatever. He's part of the Guardians now. Nebula's part of the Guardians now. It's like a team of just fucking badass motherfuckers. It's so dope. Well, actually, I've got a bit Guardian Galaxy gossip here.

So apparently, according to the... Because I haven't seen it yet, but people who have early reviewers have said that baby Groot just steals the show. Groot's always going to steal the show, man. Vinds the movie. And... There is like talks and sparks about a baby group spin-off. Yeah, he's got to be with Rocket, though. It has to be with Rocket.

I hope so. Group can't do nothing on his own. That's going to be like a minions film where they just don't really say anything. I mean, I could write the script dialogue for that. I don't know. There is apparently a gay subplot in the current, this film, current film coming up. With who? They're speculating about who it's going to be with.

Dress. Nebula. Nebula. The sister. Oh, yeah, totally. Obviously. Yeah, it has to be her. I think she's got a bit of a gay vibe.

Yeah, because like Zoe Saldano's character and Chris Pratt, they're going to get it on. They're for sure. They have to. But. So, well, the film's, the plot of this film apparently is about two sisters. It's about the two sisters. Okay.

Oh, yeah, because Thanos is the big bad and that's their daddy. And they're daddy. But the Thanos is not going to be, he's not going to appear in this film. What? Because they want to focus it on the two sisters, and Thanos was going to steal the limelight being the big daddy boss guy. Oh, damn. And James Gunn has just signed on, who's the director,

to do Guardians 3. Dope. Dope. The Guardians were like they were like the Deadpool of that year. Like nobody expected it to be that good. I just went along like what is this? This is amazing. But it was weird because I knew two people who were in it.

Yeah, because it filmed in London, isn't it? It filmed in London and I reckon there was lots of little characters that got given to sort of, you know, semi-unfamous actors who I had worked with both of them and one girl was from my drama school. So it kind of ruined it a little bit because I was like...

Oh, did she tell you what was happening in the stuff? Max? I work with him. It took the... When you know people in the screen. I mean, you must get that a lot because... Yeah. It's hard to like...

I don't know. If I see a friend in something, then that's my bridging. No matter how good they are as an actor, it's like, yeah, but we went drinking last week, so I can't really take this too seriously. Yeah. Even when I see myself and stuff, it's the same kind of deal. Yeah, because if anyone doesn't know, Ozzie is a... Actually, yeah, really, you're getting out there as an actor.

I'm trying. You're everywhere. I mean, let's just give the people a little rundown of your recent series, because it's very impressive. What you've been doing? What you've been up to? The last thing that I did was a Lars von Trier film. Lars von Trier is a director who did a nymphomaniac.

Uh-huh, no, it was a film called Jack the Ripper, which was about... No, it was called House the Jack Bill, which was about Jack the Ripper. Oh, okay. And Matt Dillon was playing Jack the Ripper. That's all I can say about that. And then I did Black Mirror, and then there's a film called Sandcastles that's coming out today on Netflix.

So, you know, just casually, like, in all of that bit. Yeah, you know, I just like, work here and, like, nails. I bet you, who is who is the most sort of high profile person that you've got on your, in your phone contact? Oh, goddamn. Like, have you got, like... I got Spider-Man in my phone book. What, the current, the current

Spider-Man. Yeah, I did a film of him years ago. We're still friends, that's cool. Oh, my God. Spider-Man. I got Matt Dillon in there from, yeah. Jesse Pinkman. No. From Breaking Bad and Friday Night Lights. He was in Black Mirror with me. That was a lot of... Oh, and

Michaela That's mental. They're probably the highest, I think. Everybody else just didn't want to give me that number because I'm a really weird dude, so it's understandable. You probably shouldn't open with that when you meet someone. Hi, can I have you, never, please. Yeah, thank you. Thanks.

I'm like, who's this dude? Wow, that's cool. I mean, I don't have any. Who have I got in my? Noel, that doesn't really, he doesn't seem famous to me. Oh shit, Noel Clark, yeah. He's just my mate. So I've got Noel.

Snap. I have Natasha Benningfield. Oh, cool. friends with her recently did a sketch of her which is quite fine oh cool she kind of reached out to me as I don't want to sketch I'm like yeah I don't know any other famous people oh my god I bet there's probably some famous people that are on my phone but like dude me

sorry right oh yes back to entertainment news that's where we were what's going on in La La La Land right so he says so Kiranati's in Paris and Caribbean Disney is going on this huge I'm going to say bender I don't think it's a bender it's basically remaking its entire library of Disney films

into live action. Everything that you grew up on over the next 10 years is going to be live action, action, action, action. That's good. Starting with Aladdin, Latin. I can show you the world

in 3D. It's true. And I heard a rumor I can't fully confirm this, but I heard from like a source from somewhere in, you know, behind the lines that the reason why,

apart from just like trying making billions and billions of dollars, The reasons why Disney are they have to, they have to remake everything. If they want to keep the... Oh, they'll lose the rights. The copyrights too, because they only originally bought the copyrights for something like 50 years. So if they want to keep the song copyrights, which is worth so much money, and it's all the Disney, it's a Disney...

And then merchandise as well. Exactly. Yeah, they have to. So they got to remake everything. So they are making everything from Lion King. Well, they've already done Beauty and The Beast, huge success. Lion King, Donald Glover's playing Simba. That's pretty dope.

Yeah. And they are doing Aladdin, and they're casting it at the moment, and talks are that Will Smith is going to play The Genie. How do we feel about that, tweeting a football radio? Yeah, how do you feel about that? I mean, obviously, Robin Williams was and is and always will be the genie. Yeah, I don't know. I don't think that's a good idea.

I don't think he should. Apparently, so much of the original genie from Robin Williams was all just ad lib. He just came in, and he just went off. You see, I think we have the technology to just take all of the original genie stuff and just mess around with what he's saying to make it say other stuff. So we could still have Robin Williams doing it.

Robbie Williams, that'd be a different genie. Hey, kids, have to grow it. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I mean, I love All Smith, but come on, man. That's like an iconic character. I just let it live. I don't know.

What are we thinking? Let us know. Tweet us in at Philby Radio. Do you think Will Smith is it a yes or a no? Is it yay or nay? Maybe we'll do a poll. If we think, yeah. And if you can think of anybody else, you'd be a better genie, you know.

I'll take a whack at it. Maybe a girl genie. Why don't have to be... Why not? Why not? Why does it have to be... I'm sure like Dawn French or someone would be a funny genie. Right. I forgot. We have lots of competitions to do and give away and all of that whatnot. So let's see who won from a couple of weeks ago.

So we've got two competitions to give away. So the first one we're going to do now. And the winner is... No, there's no winner. Oh, okay. Anti-climactic. Oh, no, I'm just reading. Oh, no.

Okay, right, let's start again. We have two conversations to give away today. So the first one, you can win a prize bundle for the DVD release of Sully. Miracle on the Hudson. Damn. Tom Hicks. So it includes a DVD, a Sully hoodie, a duffel bag, a Sully cap, t-shirt, and Captain Sully's autobiography and a world clock.

That's dope. Everybody needs a clock. Who doesn't want a clock? You know what I mean? So the DVD is available now and on Blu-Roe. And yeah, Tom Hanks plays Captain Sully. I haven't seen that film either. It's the emergency plane landing on the River Hudson.

Didn't that get nominated for stuff? It got lots and lots of like, a prize. So to win, all you have to do is follow us at at Boobar Radio on the Twitter and just retweet the image that we're about to put out now. And we will announce the winner next Friday. Also, we've got another competition coming up later in the show.

so stay tuned oh I've got some songs to show you today I've got like a wide selection of songs but I've also been looking into TV themes and things like that but then I've been looking into remixes remixes of original TV show themes I know right how like weird and left wing can we go I found one from the Fresh Prince of Bel Air

oh that's a classic and I'm actually loving it so I'm going to play it now and we're going to start getting because it's near the weekend I'm going to like officially call the weekend it is the weekend Thursday's a new thing Friday. Let's do this, mate. So this is possibly the only song that I can wrap along to as a young white girl. We're going to play it now.

It's back growing chill. With Johanna James on Fubar Radio. I approve. That was dope. Did you like that song? I know, right? That was cool, man. That was a cool little, if you like that, let us know I might do some more, like, popular TV show remixes. Right, we've got our first

guests in the studio. We've got Sabina and Ziva. Welcome. Welcome. Thank you. Yes, welcome, welcome, Foodball Radio. You've come in to talk to us about your new film, Letters from Baghdad. That's correct. So if you'd like to let our listeners know sort of what it's about, a little bit of the backstory and the synopsis.

Yeah. Don't be shy, don't be shy. Don't be shy. Jump on that mic. It's about Gertrude Bell. She's sometimes called the female Lawrence of Arabia. She was the most powerful woman in the British Empire during and afterward. World War I, and she helped establish Iraq and the Iraq Museum.

Wow. So she was really amazing. Totally. That is exactly the word we used to describe it. Is this quite like an action-packed kind of film? Well, there is action in it. At one point she traveled on her own, actually the first woman to do a solo expedition to sort of the center of what is today, Saudi Arabia.

It's a city called Hyle And she was attacked And she handled some business Yes She even was thrown in prison In solitary confinement For 10 days Yeah

And so So yeah She had some Very action-packed journeys She loved She was a risk taker She loved adventure And anything really

Exciting Breaking all the norms Before breaking a norms Before breaking a norm's a thing I love the It's an untold true story But I googled her a little bit after looking at this. And it's weird how, well, it's a shame how so much of her is sort of written out of history.

So what you guys are doing is you're trying to put her back into the history books and being like, no, look at this. Which film is such a fantastic way to get people to know about stories and history. Exactly. It was so incredible to us because when we were reading about her, she's so much more important and influential than Lawrence of Arabia. and it's really amazing that he's like a household word and people don't know who she is. Yeah. When we did our research, we went often on the train,

traveled in the train in the UK. I mean, we thought in the U.S., where we're from New York, we thought, okay, if people don't know her, she's a British character. But when we were traveling through the UK, going up to the archives and doing our research, we often would ask people on the train in the restaurant, anybody we could meet

and ask them to you know who we go to Palace and nobody knew. She's really, really under-recognized. So we hope that this will change as of tonight. So making the movie, how did the film sort of come together? Did you guys, where did the story come from?

Well, we worked together on another film about an incredible woman named Ruth Gruber. That film was ahead of time and I produced it. and Sabina edited it. And Sabina asked Ruth if she knew Gertrude Bell to Ruth. Ruth said no, but I had just read Gertrude Bell's biography.

And we started thinking right then in 2009 about the idea of moving forward with a documentary. Amazing. And how long did it take to sort of to actually film? Well, our film has 75% sent archival footage. So the majority of what is in there took time to research and find

so we didn't film that. But that was actually a very, very important part of the project because all these footage is from the turn of the century. We weren't sure would we're going to find anything. And so we asked the archives to go into their vaults and

sometimes based just on keywords. Like, you know, we look for footage from Jordan or Syria. This is all the places that Gertrude Bell traveled to and said, you know, please can you look in your vaults? And then if they did find it, we had them re-digitized them at high resolution. So when you see the film on the big screen, it looks so crisp like as if we had shot it. In fact, often people come up to us and said,

how were you able to get this footage and shoot this with all these like interesting boats and these, you know, street scenes and we said, this is original footage from 1900. Wow. So what was the time frame? It was after World War I, which was around 1980? 1918. She was in,

she started in 1915 in Cairo in the Arab Bureau, and then she moved to Iraq in 1917 to work as Oriental Secretary in the Colonial Office, and then she stayed there until her

her death in 1926. Oh, she died really early. She did. Be shortly before her 58th birthday. Wow. Oh, wow. So where can people see if they're listening to this and they're like, right, I'm intrigued. I want to know all about Gertrude. How would they find and be able to see letters from Baghdad?

Well, starting tonight, it's going to open at Picture House Central and Dockhouse, Kurson, Bloomsbury. And they can go on the website of our wonderful distributor. Verve Pictures and their website is VivaVerve.com and we are actually booked into 40 cities around the UK. Amazing. And then eventually is it going to be able to, you'll be able to buy it and? Yes.

Oh yes. They'll be streaming DVDs and on June 2nd we're opening in the States in New York. Oh, amazing. But you're going to open here first. Yes. Yes. Yes. It feels very honored.

Thank you. Thank you. Oh, this is so exciting. And so it's a documentary. Do you have any sort of, what's that word when you do like a visualization of what happened? Do you have anyone playing? Reimagining. Reimagining?

Of footage that you couldn't get a hold of. What we did, which is quite unique, is we used all primary source material. So the script was built from the primary source material. The verbatim taking letters, documents. memoirs of people that interacted with Gertrude Bell, mostly her own letters. And then we shot interviews with actors that are performing the letters. Oh, okay.

As if like monologues. Yeah, as if they were being interviewed. So the film is actually kind of like a documentary that could have been shot three years after Gertrude Bell's death. Oh, that's so cool. Okay. The thing, one thing that we're really excited about is that Tilda Swinton reads the letters of Gertrude Bell. Oh, that's dope.

So she's really cool. She's so fabulous. Yeah. She's amazing. Oh, amazing. Oh, we've just had a tweet in from Lucy from Sheffield who says, will this be in any film festivals? It was, I mean, we did our premiere at the London BFI festival in last fall. And it is now mainly in theater.

in the UK. It's done from the festivals. Okay, so it wasn't a festival, you see. Missed the boat. Never mind, this is amazing. And so you guys, you've worked together before on the previous film. Yes, but this is our first time we've directed.

Okay, okay. And have you got any other, what are you looking forward next to? Well, a lot of ideas are percolating. We're definitely fascinated with women that are underrepresented in history. So it might be another story like that and so what right now we're totally dedicated to getting this film out yeah okay it's a labor of love yeah for sure for sure well this is really exciting i like that and

especially as um this whole area in the world right now is in the news a lot but for very different reasons like syria it's not a lot of positive stuff on that and it seems quite alien that a young british woman would be like i'm going to go move to iraq um it wouldn't be something that a lot of young British women would do now because it's such a zone of conflict. Well that's the thing, one of the things that was so exciting for us when we looked at all the footage and when you see the film you see this world that you can't possibly imagine the Middle East from a hundred years ago.

If you're looking at Baghdad and Damascus and Tehran and Cairo really, really opens your eyes I think. And there are also quite a few parallels in the film to today and to the 2003 invasion or occupation of Iraq by the US and the Brits. So

it is politically a very interesting film to see as well because it explains or at least enlightens viewers about why certain things happened today. Because I remember seeing some photos of the

60s and the 70s of Iraq and then they put obviously the same location and they showed it today and it is like wow before it was beautiful. Really? The streets were beautiful and there was colour and that's so weird to think of because all I can really imagine is what the news

shows me from when I was a kid like no this was a beautiful street it had palm trees coloured cars and it was like shops it looked like really cosmopolitan. That's dope like in the 60s like a Cuba kind of thing? Yeah it was it was kind of what I think we would probably imagine like an Egypt

or a Cairo. Oh okay. Because that's everyone's, Brits for some reason seem to think Egypt's, they're like safe. Oh, I'll go holiday to Egypt, that's fine, but you wouldn't be like, I'm going to go Syria. Yeah. But one other thing that's really interesting about Gertrude Bell is that she was a fantastic photographer, and she left 7,000 photographs. And some of them are all of ancient sites that ISIS has now blown to pieces. Wow.

So that's sort of interesting. Has she got like a collection of all the photographs? Yes, her archive is at Newcastle University. You could do like a Gertrude Bell Instagram that's 7,000 posts there. A lot of followers, I think. Yes, you've got it. Start the Instagram.

Everything is on the gram now. Amazing. We've just had a little question come in which I think would be good to put to the table. It's not directly related, but we're talking about female directors because obviously you guys are female. Anne Hathaway has recently been quoted saying, she got skeptical about being cast in a film when there was a female director.

And she was saying that she felt bad. What the hell? Yeah, she said that she felt, before she realized that it was like a subconscious skepticleness that was coming through. Like a programmed thing. Yeah, she said that she was almost like. Interesting. Yeah. Yeah, like in her subconscious, she would automatically think, oh, hmm, this maybe difficult or the film may never get released because who goes to see.

films by women directors. That's incredible. It's very interesting. I mean, we are obviously, you know, it's us and we are showing a film that is about a very important, very interesting woman. So there is almost like a sort of a double whammy, two female directors with a film about a woman that is, you know, can be a role model to so many other women. But I think that it's true.

There is still less women directors. spoke with Mia Bays, who actually has an interesting series called Bird's Eye View, and it's all about female directors and female-driven films. And it seems that there is a lot of women initially, but when it comes down to the larger, the higher positions, it all of a sudden drops off. The percentage. Yeah. But the thing is that's so ironic is that a really high percentage of the box office of

People who go to movies are women. So that is what is, you know, so annoying. Yeah. That's a nice, that's a diplomatic. Do you think it's going to be changing any quicker? Because I know like maybe like 10, 20 years ago would have been a very different scene to what it is now because although there aren't a lot,

there are still more than there was before. So it is changing, but what do you think needs to be done to really change it? I think that one thing that has to happen is that women get more access to funding because funding makes the world go round. Yeah, that's every project. Exactly. And if the funders are more hesitant to back female directors,

less female directors are going to get their films made. So we sort of have to start in the minds of the people who have the money. With the funding. So even above the producers and stuff, we need the, okay. Financial backers to have a bit of fun. Faith. Exactly. And also maybe it's by sort of constantly saying female

directors, we should just be talking about we're directors. They're directors. They're directors. They're producers. They're equal to the men. Why even single them out? I think that's a really good point like just stop the segregation altogether. Yeah. You are what you are. It doesn't matter. Gender, race, anything.

I remember actually, I did a little research last week and it was because I didn't realize it was this low, but 30% of Hollywood speaking roles were female. 70% of the speaking roles last year were recorded as male and 30% and I was like, well, we don't say a lot, do we? Which is weird because I talk more than anyone. So, hence the radio show.

But that was like crazy. And 2% were lesbian and gay, tini-danny. And 12.9% leading roles were from an ethnic minority. So it's kind of, you know, if you're basically a lesbian black lady, you're not saying in Hollywood movies which is like well we should read

we need to like do something about that it's crazy which is mental because they say that but then you know the female Thor comics outsold the Thor comics and Iron Man's a girl now as well in the comics is a black called Riehry in the comics so when Robert Downey

Jr. goes maybe he's going to get taken over by a black girl who knows maybe I think they need to catch up because in comic book sales and in comic book it's not common so Deadpool was originally bisexual and they he was asexual or something like that just a really ambiguous sexuality

basically and they like made sure he was straight for the film and Hollywood kind of like they shave it all down but in the comic book world obviously the fans are loving it and they accept way more way more women way more everything one thing that is interesting actually in the documentary world

there are a lot of women a lot of women directors are coming in the documentary world. That's good. So it's different. I guess Hollywood is sort of its own animal. Yeah. It's a bit late to the game, isn't it?

It really is a bit late. But there's starting to move, like the whole moonlight winning the best picture, which is fantastic, but it's almost like we shouldn't really be like going, oh, this is amazing. We should just be like, oh, amazing, one best poster, cool, next.

It shouldn't be like a heart, do you know. Tadda, ta-da-da-a-a. But interesting that Anne Hathaway spoken up about that, about saying she's being honest and saying, I, if I knew it was a script coming from a woman, I was automatically looking for the faults, and if it was a man, I was automatically relaxed. Wow.

Well, it was good that she was honest about that. Yeah, so she's saying, this is not right. Why do I feel like this? I need to like, yeah, good. So this is interesting. So keep going, this is amazing. And anyone who's just tuning in, we're talking about letters from Baghdad,

which is a new film about Gertrude Bell, who was a kick-ass lady of the 19th century, 20th century. The Wonder Woman of the 20th century. Yes, she was. Yeah, she was. Brilliant. Well, thank you so much for coming in.

Thank you. Amazing. It was great. Chat, thank you. And just to catch up, you can check out letters from Baghdad from tonight. Was that right? Yes. Picture House.

Picture House. And Doc Curzon. And VivaVerv.com has all of the listing. VivaVos. Sounds better in an American accent. Rolls off the tongue. Beaver Verve. Amazing.

Right, we're going to go back to some Power Rangers soundtrack, I think, because I'm loving that movie at the moment. So this is ring. fire from the Power Rangers, this is back row and chill. It's Popper says, Kent Jones. Usually I like to be in the front, but right now this is back row and chill. That's like the coolest stuff. That was so cool. I didn't know. I've got from Kent Jones. Thanks so much, babe.

Amazing. Oh, earlier in the show, we asked you guys, we talked about movie montages and what were your favorite ones or if you had any epic movie montages that we didn't shout out. So Jordan Parsons on Twitter said, hashtag movie montage best ones have to be from Footloose and Team America you mentioned that said the Team America one yeah

well the soundtrack to the montage is him explaining what is happening in the montage in the montage brilliant someone from Lou says Footloose is the best montage of all time Kevin Bacon was so hot Never seen footloose Oh my God

oh my God no it's good It's really good I don't like musicals But you know what this is good this is like Kevin Bacon is this kid I like Kevin Bacon Hollow Man was great for

out back American town where dancing is banned it's like a very religious very religious town I'm joking it's all my dance are mates I'm joking I'm joking and yeah

so basically the town council say that the dancing it means promiscuousness I was like little that they know that the twerk was yet to be invented this is just 80s dancing so they banned all the kids so the kids used to go out and like

dance on the have these secret little dance which is me you know if you basically does no parent ever learn. If you want to stop something, do not ban it. Because it makes them just do it anyway.

Tell them to do it and then they won't do it. Exactly. Reverse psychology is here. Uh-huh. Anyway, yeah, so it's a good dance movie, to be fair. Oh, someone says, Jack and Clapham says, Bula, Bula, I've seen Ferris Bueller so many times. I love the montage in that.

That's a good montage. That's a very different montage. What was the montage in that again? It's very different. It's not an upbeat montage. It's like this weird, arty montage in the middle where they go out on their day trip and they go to this other metropolitan art music.

Oh yeah, yeah, it's just about them bunking off school like the montage. And there's like this weird kind of art montage where they follow these kids around and that's good. That was pretty good, yeah. That's good. Oh, there's loads of this coming in. So from Cindy says, dirty dancing.

That is such a sexy suezzy montage. That's hard to say. Say sexy suazy. Sexy suezery. The chemistry between Johnny and Baby is so good. Of course. Again, never seen it, no. Oh, my goodness.

Sorry, no. Dirty dancing. I saw it when I was way too young to appreciate it. I was like, oh, it's be boring. And then when I sort of had grown and I had a bit of a, I don't know what that is.

Maturity. I matured. I had a sexual enlightenment and I understood the film. It is absolutely amazing. I'll check it out. I'll check it out one day. Again, it's kind of a similar theme

in the 60s in this like hot, really like, you know, family holiday camp. There is an underground. The kids at night, they sneak off. I love that in that era of time, dancing was what was forbidden. Like these days, we got what? crack cocaine and like heroin

dancing oh he's dancing no stay away from him Charlie I know I mean the darkest thing I guess yeah it would be like a heroin terrorist camp or something that kids would be doing now people would be like no oh my god but yeah so they go and then this girl

who doesn't really know anything and she ends up she ends up having to learn to dance and dance with one of the top guys in this like dance competition oh cool they fall in love like save the last dance or stop the art yeah yeah so basically they got All of those ideas. Came from those original films.

From dirty dancing. Really good. And the chemistry between them is just like, whoa. Okay, so we've been running a poll, a poll, on our Twitter at Food Buy Radio, which is, do you think hashtag Will Smith will make a good genie in the 2017 Aladdin? And at the moment... What are the people saying? They're saying, 27% say yes, 7% saying no.

33 says, why not a woman? and 33% and said Robin Williams Forever! So it's majority positive I would say Really? Kind of, you know, sort of

Okay, I mean Wolf Smith can really do no wrong apart from Suicide Squad and that film he did with Margot Robby and those other couple films he did didn't really do too well

but he's really good though I still like that I like him I do really like him though to be fair and yeah why not why not a woman or why not Will Smith in drag

I'd rather a woman to win us of you and then Walter Smith in drag. I would really like to see a female genie I think that would be actually groundbreaking. Yeah, a female genie

that would just be brilliant. Who's that Australian lady that was in that bridesma? Oh my gosh. Ruth Wilson, is that her name? No, no, she's um, oh my goodness. Her name is to...

What was her name? She's in Ghostbusters as well. Well, she's also someone that could do it, but I'm talking about the Australian one. I can't remember her name and she was in like the bride's men

She wasn't bridesmaids, of course, yeah. Rebel Wilson? Yes, Rebel Wilson would be in a hilarious genie. She's not a bride's, but she didn't pitch perfect. Yes, that's it. Yeah, Rebel Williams would be an amazing. That would be pretty funny, I think. She would be brilliant as genie.

Okay, let's start a hashtag, let's just get the Disney producers to notice. Yes, who should be genie? What female actress should be genie? Yeah, I'm putting my money on either Melissa McCarthy. That's the one. Yes, that's the other one. Or Rebel Wilson. Or me, you know.

Stop in there. Always. Looking for jobs. Hashtag unemployed actor. Okay. Fun employed. We're called Fun Employed. Oh yeah. I've just seen here on my notes that Disney, they're making a Dumbo as well. Yeah, live action Dumbo, which is a very trippy film. Well... You look back at it now. That like whole montage with the crows and stuff, that's way too trippy for children to be watching. It's a bit fucked up, I know. And, well, it's going to be even more messed up because guess what director they've got? Oh, I heard about this. It's the same guy from Corpsepride or something, right?

Tim Burton. That's going to be so crazy. Oh, I know. Oh, my gosh. And it's going to have Danny DeVito, Evergreen, and they were talking about Will Smith being in that. I think he was going to be one of the crows, but they're going to... They can't do that again.

That was a bit, you know, racially back then as well anyway. I know. You watch it now and you're like... Whoa. We were... Our parents let's watch this shit, man, damn. Mommy? Did you know factoid that the...

Even as late as though Aladdin was done in, like, the early 90s? That's like 25 years old. they had to reanimate the beginning of Aladdin when they transferred it onto DVD because it was racist. Really? Yeah, and I noticed this myself because I used to have the DVD of Aladdin

and I learnt obviously all the songs by heart. What did they change? So in the beginning of the song with Arabian Nights, there's a bit where, and I swear, I swear it said this, and it said, it's like, Aramian Nars and it says, where they cut off your... ear if they don't like your face, it's barbaric, but hey, it's home.

Wow. And they said, well, we can't really talk about the Middle East like that, so we're going to change it. So when they did the DVD, they reanimated it and they re-recorded it, and they changed it where it's so hot in here that you can't feel your face. Okay. Yeah. Wow, I can't really did that.

And I was like, because I'm watching the DVD and I went, that's not the right words. And then I googled it, and somebody's put the original VHS thing on YouTube so you can watch the original opening and you can hear them say, well, they cut off your ear if they don't like your face. Just getting away with everything those days. It's barbaric, but hey, it's home. Oh, someone said, should Zach Galafenakis be the genie? That would be hilarious.

That would be funny. It would be a very different genie, but that would be quite funny, I think. The genie with a manbag. You know what? Very awkward manbag-toting genie, yes. That would be, you know what? I wouldn't mind him either. I wouldn't mind him.

He's good, though. He's got a very particular style of comedy that can't be recreated, much like Robin Williams. Yeah. He would have his own take on it. What we don't want is we don't want, is we don't want some. trying to be Robin Williams. Yeah, yeah, exactly. He would be so far removed from what Robin Williams did that.

It could actually be very dope. Someone also said, talking about Suicide Squad, Kara Delavine was so shit. She should never be allowed to act again from Sally. Hey, hey, come on now, Sally. Let me talk to you about Cara, okay. Oh, do you know her? I don't know her.

Okay. But I saw her in a film called Paper Towns, and she was surprisingly amazing in that film. And I think that if we judge an actor's acting on just one film, then I'd be very much unemployed because I've done a lot of shit. I know, that's me too, man. People have bad days, and we can't blame the actors.

We can blame the writing or the directors or the studio. The editor. It sometimes it's down to the editing, the music they put behind you. Yeah, exactly. The texts they decide to use, because each scene has shot like, what, 40, 30, 20 times or whatever, whichever tape they desire to use. It's down to the editing gods.

It's like the editing gods can make you look amazing or not. I don't think it was just, Cara. I think the film as a whole, it was pretty bad. Yeah. You know, if the film is amazing and she was the,

like, loose link. Yeah, then, yeah. She wasn't the loose link in that movie. Exactly. The whole film was bad. Let's not worry about that. We've got some cool films coming up that I want to tell you guys about

because at the moment, coming out of a cinema, it's a little bit of a dry season. Is it? There's not a lot of... Stuff coming out? Like, this week. Oh, this week, okay.

Like, looking at the cinema stuff that's coming out this week. I'm a little bit like, hmm. I thought you meant this summer. There's some stuff. I can't wait to see it. this summer, amazing, but just like, I'm talking about

this week, no. So what's coming up that's going to be made, there is a film, do you like wrestling at all, WWE? I used to love wrestling. Okay. Well, so they are making a movie about Paige, who's one of the main female champions.

That film's going to do really well. It's a comedy, and it's written and directed by Stephen Merchant from the Ricky Jervais show. And he recently had a role in Logan. Yes, he did. So he's writing, written and directed it. Wait, is this a real WWE star?

So is it like a true story? Yeah, it's a true story. Me and Noel are big WWE fans. We try and go every year. I saw all of Nell's tweets during WrestleMania. Yeah. So me and Nol, we've been going for about five years. We've been going to wrestling together with like a group of us.

And we know Paige. Page is a fan of the films and stuff. So we go backstage and we see her. So it's really quite weird. So she's not playing herself. They've got an actress called Florence Pugh who's going to be playing Paige. Is she unknown? Has she done anything before?

She is up and coming. and I recently saw a film Lady Macbeth. I have not seen that oh wait I've seen posters about that yeah apparently she's like a groundbreaking something she is groundbreaking new actress

yeah something like that so she has now the finish filming it I didn't interview her last week but we're going to play the interview next week's show because we can't talk about it because of an embargo so she's going to play page and it's the true story because it's quite interesting she's one of like five brothers that wrestling father

wrestling brothers she started wrestling from a tiny tot and then she got into really young when she was like 16 she got into professional wrestling and even now she's only like 21 or something and she went on to be like the women's WWE women's champion

and really sort of pioneered she was like the anti-diva so a lot of the traditionally a lot of the WBE divas they're very blonde and tanned and sexual and they look slightly like glorified strippers that are wrestling whereas Paige went in

and she's pale, she's got black hair, she's British, she went into fight properly. I'll come here to fuck some people out, right. So she kind of changed and revolutionised the sort of women's section. And they now don't call them divas, they call them women wrestlers. And I've noticed just by going to the wrestling

that before the women's matches used to be sort of quiet time, so people would go get a Coke. Really? They wouldn't be so vocal. Now when there's the women's matches, when Paige comes on and all her mates. Everyone's in there.

There's no difference. There's not a lot of. difference now between the men and the women's fights which is amazing. So, Dwayne the Rock Johnson is executive producing it, because obviously he knows his shit. He's also in it. Florence Pugh is Paige. As himself, as the

Rock? Yeah. Dope. Who else would he play? I'm sorry. Who's the Rock going to play in a wrestling movie? Stone Cold Steve Austin, obviously. Come on. Come on, Guy. Nick Frost is going to play her dad. Oh, cool. Vince Vaughn's going to play her coach. Oh. I like a bit of Vince Vaughan.

Lena Headley or Heedley from Game of Thrones She's her mom Who's Leena Heidley? Oh, she is the bitch queen Who got a hair chopped off In Game of Thrones Oh Not the Red Witch

The queen, the queen twin Who fucks her brother Ah Head chopped off What? She got a hair chopped off Oh a hair I thought you said head

I'm like damn I'm up to date What did I miss? I miss that episode Because that an Easter egg So I'm really excited The film's gonna be called Fighting with my family

That sounds like a good I'd watch that I think that's gonna do really well as well I'm really excited Yeah, it's going to bring American and British audiences, I think, together. And also the wrestling, whole entertainment business is fucking huge. It's booming. It's huge.

People think it died after it changed, like, a couple years ago. Oh, it changed from WWF to WWE. I was still watching it at that time, anyway. It was hard to get my head around it at the time. I was a kid. And I was like, what did you mean it's WWE? No, no, that doesn't make any sense to me. But stayed strong for a little while.

That's brilliant. So any WWE fans, what do you think about that? Let us know. Do you want to watch this movie? What do you want to do? Me and No, we're going to try and get down and use our contacts, see if we can, like get down to set and get some oh that'd be dope get some gossip and get some interviews

and stuff um i have met the rock yeah i met him before what's he like he is lovely and i expected him to be like massive is he not that big he's not that actually huge like i'm how big is he well i'd say maybe like six one six one okay which isn't like i'm five nine i'm five ten i'm five nineish and when i had heels on six foot so you know me and some boots be like

i could take on the rock i felt the same way when i met i'm The Sandcastle film's got Henry Cavill in it. So when I met him, I was like, dude, I'm looking at you eye to eye. I'm toe to toe with Superman right now. I feel like a big dude. It's like, wow, yeah, I measure that. Hey, Marvel. Yeah, so I met him.

He was really nice. interviewed him last year for, like, the Central Intelligence movie. And I was quite nervous because it's Kevin Hart as well. And it was me and Kevin Hart in the rock and a little like Oreo sandwich thing going on. It was great. I tried to high-five the Kevin Hart and he left me hanging. Oh, that's deep, man.

And that is on camera and on the internet. Did he do it for a joke? Did he just purposely just like... I think he genuinely left me hang out. I was like, yeah, bro. Up here. And he just like, no, I'm not going to do that. I was like, oh.

Wow. Sorry. Kevin. That's cool, dude. Thank you. But afterwards, he like, he was like, well done. Missy. So I gave me a hug.

And he grabbed my arm and he was like, oh, I love your tattoos. And we were like comparing tattoos. Oh, that's cool. I'm like, mate, I love yours. I think I said that. But it probably came out like, hug him my heart. I got my God tattoo. I got my tattoo.

Yeah, I think I did, I lost, I fangled a little bit over the rock. We all fan girl sometimes, don't we? It happens. Right, I'm going to go, we've been talking a lot of Disney, so I'm going to bring in my one Disney song of the week. This actually won an Oscar, musically. It did. It did.

Back in the day. This is Can You Feel the Love Tonight from Elton John? So this is back around, if you're chilling with someone right now and you want to get it on. Let's do it to Elton John. There we go. Nice, that was a great harmony. I sang that. That was dope.

Yeah, that was me. So that was from the Lion King One of my favorite Disney's For any haters out there on the music Looking forward to the remake I'm not gonna lie Yeah no have you seen live the live the live No I haven't seen I don't like musicals

But I don't mind the Disney originals though It's weird I'm such a skeptic Yeah exactly ingrained No the live The Live Lion King is good Went to see it last year I had a friend who worked in it as well

She's telling me all the backstage goth of what you're tinkling around your cut there. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm fidgeting. Tinky, tinky. Out of my reach. Tinker Taylor, soldier spy. Right, we've got our next guest on the line. She's currently in America.

It's former celebrity journalist Alison Kugel, who apparently here has more skeletons than the Cripkeeper when it comes to celebrity and political day laundry. That is high praise. I know. And she's been writing her book. We did speak to her a couple months back, actually, on the show, while she was writing the book.

And now, I believe she's finished. So she's going to have a quick chat with us to let us know. what's going on with that book? And hopefully she's going to tell us some dirty secrets. Some exclusive, food work exclusive gossip. Let's see if she's on the line.

Alison, are you there? I am here. Hello. Where are you, Alison, right now? In sunny Florida from the next several weeks. Nice. I'm so jealous.

Very nice. Thank you. Welcome back on the show. Thank you. Thanks for having me. So before we came on, we talked a little bit about your book, which you were in the process of writing, and now you've finished. Is that right? The book is actually coming out on Tuesday, April 25th. So close.

So close. And just to tell our listeners a little bit about what the book's about, do you want to just sort of pitch it out there? Because you're going to explain it a lot better than I can. Yeah, absolutely. Well, I spent 10 years as a celebrity journalist. I interviewed a little more than 200, you know, well-known figures, actors, models, musicians, sports figures, health gurus, politicians, you name it. But at the same time, I was actually going through some pretty rough times personally because I was suffering from some pretty severe anxiety and panic attacks problems. Okay.

So I wanted to actually write the book as a convergence of the two. So the book is quite personal because it leads back and forth between my experiences with a lot of famous people and also a lot of the mental health and emotional health problems that I was going through because I figured that, you know, the celebrity stuff is great and it's fun and it would really pull people in and probably people who wouldn't ordinarily pick up the self-help book. But at the same time, I wanted to deliver an important message because there are so many people who suffer with it. different types of anxiety disorders that I really felt that my story could help. No, that's amazing.

That's really, that's really, really amazing. Because that's something that a lot of people don't really, you don't hear about it a lot as well in mainstream media or anything like that. Yeah, people are quite shy of addressing it, aren't they? Yeah. Absolutely. It's like, I keep saying it's in the closet because every time, you know, people have been asking me, what's your book about,

and they expect me to just talk about the celebrity stuff, And when I say, well, it also addresses, you know, the severe anxiety disorder that I had that actually had me hospitalized a few times. Oh, wow. And, you know, so many people have said to me, oh, my God, I have anxiety or, oh, my God, I take, you know, some sort of medication or I've had panic attacks. And so many times, these are people that I've known for years. And I'm thinking to myself, why haven't we talked about this? And it's because people just kind of, you know, it's embarrassing and, you know, it's, you know, It's the last thing that you'd ever want to happen,

especially when you're out at a social event or maybe in front of your co-workers or something. Yeah. And, I mean, was that, did you feel looking back that it actually, because the whole sort of Hollywood world and fame and the pressure of that, do you think that being in that environment, do you think it actually made your anxiety worse

because you had a lot of pressure to do your job and speak to these high-profile people? No, actually, that's the funny thing. People keep asking me that. and it's actually quite the opposite. Doing interviews, talking to people, that kind of exchange has always come quite naturally to me. So it was actually kind of therapeutic for me

and took my mind off of the anxiety issues that I was having, believe it or not. Okay, that's an interesting thing. It's a bit like you can put on, it's like a professional booster. You can just get on with it for a job. I can understand that. The show must go on kind of thing, and it helps you auto-focus into doing it.

Yeah, the show must go on. In fact, I talk about it in the book. You know, there was one particular instance where I was actually just about to interview Megan McCain, who's the daughter of John McCain. He ran her president over here back in 2008. And I was actually in the throes of having some pretty major anxiety before I got onto the phone with her. But once I got on the phone with her, I was focused on the task at hand and doing it. the best possible interview and it was almost like it was like a 30 or whatever it was 30 or 40 minutes it was like a break like a vacation from what I was going through to be honest with you do you think

that um because the because the interviews were kind of like a therapy for you that it helped you to be more proactive I guess or just like more in what's the word I'm looking for so what I'm looking for that it made you want to pursue them harder and get more yeah basically Yeah. That's a tough one. I just, I think, I think it was more of a parallel experience because I've always been the kind of person who feels, you know, if I want to do something, I can do it. You know, if I, if I get an impulse, like I, you know, I said to myself, I want to write a

book and I want to put out a book, well, I'm going to write a book and put out a book. If I say, I want to interview, you know, lots of famous people and write their stories, then I'm going to go do that. I don't have that same thing that a lot of people have where they think, well, I could never do that or I'm not qualified to do that. So it was just really more ambition to be honest with you. That's good. Go get it. Go get it, girl.

Get shows. Yeah, exactly. So the name of the book for anyone just sort of listening in now, we're talking about Allison's new book, and it's journaling fame, a memoir of a life unhinged and on the record. I really like that title. Thank you. It sums up exactly what it is. It's like your life being a little bit on the unhinged side

with your personal issues and then on the record with all the celebrities. a crazy mix. I mean, almost there could be some, like, movie moments in here. Oh, yeah. A little bit. I hope so, I mean... A movie would be dope, man. I want Milakunis to play me

in the movie. Milakunis. I love Milakunis. Yeah, or even a series, maybe, because there's so many... Because you interview over, like, 200 people, famous figures. Yeah. Yeah. And do you have any sort of

favorite, I mean, looking back, could you pick any kind of favorite... Favorite interviews or favorite people that you met them and you were just like you clicked with that certain celebrity? Yeah, I would say, you guys know Kristen Chenoweth? Christian. Oh, she may not be famous over there. She's a very famous singer and actress in the state. Okay.

I cut her quite a bit. And Jenna Jameson, I believe was not, was she a celebrity Big Brother over there? Jenna Jameson. She rings a bell. I don't, yeah. Yeah, she does. Maybe from my childhood, I don't know. Maybe she's an actress or a singer.

I don't know. I'm talking about 13. I hope not. Dude. No, I'm talking like 13. Somewhere around puberty. I don't know. I don't know why.

Anyway, can I carry on? Oh, my God. I clicked with them. I clicked very much actually with 50 cents. Really? Okay. Yeah, I really, really did. I spent about almost two hours with him, and it was a face-to-face interview.

And actually, my little brother was there. It's the stories in the book, but he kind of tags along with us. And we had a little bit of a fun back and forth, you know, male versus female thing going on, and I was outnumbered, of course. But, yeah, I clicked with him really sweet, down-to-earth, funny kind of guy. Courtney and Chloe, well, Courtney and Chloe Kardashian I like quite a bit. Courtney I clicked with, you know, she was just a really chill, cool, down-to-earth girl. There are a lot of people, Russell Simmons.

I admired so much because of his spirituality. Deepak Chopra taught me a lot about actually how the brain works versus how the soul works, which really helped me quite a bit with my own issues. So, you know, it was like, I swear it was like getting a master's and a PhD, having one-on-one time with all of these people and picking their brains. It was such a privilege. I can't even, I can't express it enough. It's amazing.

So if people want to get your book, you said it's coming out on Tuesday. Coming out this Tuesday, April 25th, and over where you guys are, it's amazon.com. Journal and fame. Oh, on Amazon. Okay, guys, so if you want to check out this book, which is like a mixture of amazing, amazing celebrity stories and also your own personal, very personal close to your home story about your anxiety and how you go overcame that. And are you, have you, do you feel like you've overcome that or is it one of those things where you've now just like you've learned to manage it.

I've learned to manage it. I would compare it to like somebody with an eating disorder, somebody with, you know, it's the kind of thing or like alcoholism. You don't get cured from it. You learn how to manage it and stay in recovery. And if you slip, you go back to your tools, like therapy and things like that. Yeah, for sure. Well, fantastic.

Thank you for taking time. Thank you very much. Amazing Florida to speak to us today. Thank you so much, Alison. All the best luck for the book. Thank you, guys. I appreciate it. Good luck with the film as well.

I hope me Lecunis plays you. Yeah, let's contact me at Lecunis. Let's get that done. Exactly. Thank you. Thank you, Alison. Bye. Bye.

Oh, amazing. Okie dokey. Back with a little bit of muse kit. What you got for us now, then? Well, Fast and Furious coming out. Well, it's come out now. So that's probably one of the only really good things. I heard people on the bus have been like,

what do you want in a cinema. What Furious day? All right. That's what I hear a lot. So this is one of the songs from the new album, from the Fate of Furious. It's gang up by Young Thug, Two Chains, with Kleeveh. It's Back Row and Chill.

Back Row and Chill with Johanna James and North Clark on Fubar Radio. So I wasn't paying attention, was I. I tried to save you though, I did, but you were quick, you were quick. I was so involved in that song. That was great. That was from The Furious Eight. Right, it's back row and chill. It's Johanna James and Ozzie this week. Ozzie Achilles. Ozzie, Killing.

That's me. Not Azaki. Ozzie Akili. It's like he's a different dude. It's not I. It's all right. No one can ever say my name, right? They're like, Johanna. What's your name?

Johanna. That's what I said. You know. Exactly. That's what I said. Right, moving on from the biggest technical cock-up I've done in my professional career. We've got our second competition to kickstart now. So if you want to win a signed copy of Alison's book, Alison, we're just speaking to you before the break.

You can win a copy of a journaling fame, a memoir of A Life Unhinged and On the Record. So if you want to win her book, signed by Alice and herself, then just pop on to our Twitter. It's at Foo Bar Radio and retweet the image and we'll announce the winner next Friday. We've got winners coming out of everywhere next week. It's like, winter here, winner there. Stay tuned and tweet us. Right, we're joined by our next guest in the studio. Huge welcome.

George Evans. Welcome, sir. Welcome, come in. It's lovely to be here. Thank you very much. And just like the kids at home know. Who you are, what you're about. Okay, my name is George Evans.

I am a co-director of a show that's opening very shortly in a week and a half's time, I think. Yeah, called The Gap in the Light and it is on the New Diarrama Theatre, which is near Warren Street. Nice, nice. What's that about? Because a gap in the light, that sounds, I'm thinking, what's it about? What's it about? So the story, the show basically follows, it follows two people going on an expedition into a very, very deep cave. I'm claustrophobic, so that makes me go.

I made my stomach go. Exactly. That's kind of the point of the show, partly. But, yes, they go on this expedition into this cave, and they encounter something when they're right at the bottom of it in the deep blackness of it all. And it's the story of the thing they encounter coming back to the surface in a way.

This is like a horror play? Yeah. But yes. Yes. That's the shit we need more of, man. Kind of the vibe. Exactly, that's what we thought. We thought there's very, very little...

The only one I can think of is, like, what, woman in black? Was one? And then there's nothing else I can think of. But woman in black is sick. Like it is, that is a very, very good play. It's like a formula, it follows a thing. But it is, there's a lot to be said for it.

It's great. I mean, but we're trying to sort of go down a very different route with this thing and try and do something that hasn't really been done before on stage. I love horror film. So this is going to be, oh, fuck, yes, mate. Yes. I'm so excited about this, man. You have no idea how much I love horror themes up.

Well, yeah, you'll like it. I mean, it started as, as, notice that, that's the story, but that story emerged about, six months ago or so. It's been in development for about a year and a half. We decided we want to make a show about fear, about what it is to be afraid, because obviously fear is a thing that we all connect with

and tune in with. And yet it exists, like you've been saying, in horror films, it's there. But also it governs, like, what we do every day. Like me being nervous before I come on the radio, that's, there's fear. Or like how we were talking about anxiety just before.

Exactly, yeah, it's talking to the ladies just before. It's all rooted. One view of looking at it is it's all rooted in fear. And so we were, yeah, interesting exploring this quite common thing that we explore, that we all feel together. I suppose objectively as well, if you look at the world, I mean, we hear about this all the time.

I grew up, born in the 90s, was sort of told that everything is safe and secure and feeling like my future's going to be bright and golden, but now suddenly we're all feeling what I'm certainly feeling. Yeah, our generation is like, yeah, we were set up to just succeed and then it's like, no, no, no, no, no, you guys are screwed. Sorry, actually, no, you're not going to get this future.

So we just think it's an important time to make this show. Yeah. Yeah. That was good. This is, just talking about woman in black, because I remember I went, and I was so skeptical,

and I went up there going, a theatre show, scaring me. Come on. And in the middle of the show, I jumped so much. I grabbed the man next to me. I don't even know. And I, like, pretty much jumped on his lap.

I was so scared. So, yeah, I was told by that show. And there was another show. I'm just thinking back. There was a show. I think it was called Ghost Stories. Yeah. Yeah, there was.

Which was on the West End, which terrified me as well. Yeah, that was the one that was really sort of gory and jumpy and quite like in your face. It was, well, it was clever. It was this professor who came on who was talking about the paranormal

and it was like he started off doing a sort of a lecture hall basically and he was saying paranormal is not real. This is the reasons why, you know, it's all, your brain jumps to these stupid conclusions and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. and then he talked about case studies

and he went into these particular stories which then became live on stage and one was a guy who worked in a security guard for a warehouse and his daughter was on a life support machine so he worked nights and he was going round and you went with him round the thing

and then he went into this room full of mannequins and then suddenly in the theatre you heard this daddy and then like everyone in the theatre like Jacob! Ah! I was like oh my god and then there was another bit I just remember about the play that freaked me out was this young boy who didn't have a driver's license, but he took his mom's car to get to a party, and he was driving it back. The car broke down in the middle of the woods.

And what was scary about it was he did everything that you would do if you... And so he called the... First he had to call his mum, say, sorry, I've taken the car, what do I do? And he had to call the breakdown people. They were like, we'll be with you in an hour and 14 minutes. And he's in this car. And there is something in the woods, and it's... What do you do?

It escalates, yeah. I could run, but I'd probably... Do you stay in the car? You're kidding. So watching something like a horror film, a horror film, watching something live actually is ten times more scary. You're in the room with them. It is, exactly.

In the room with the thing. But it's exactly the same thing. You're still using your imagination in the same way as you would, or when you're watching a film, but it's, yeah, it's that. It's that your imagination makes it real for you in the space where you are. I mean, one thing we're really interested in doing is creating total blackout in the show. And that's something, as in totally, totally dark.

and in life generally there are very very few times in fact it's actually usually only possible deep underground or in an artificially created environment yeah even if you close your eyes there's still light coming in in the way yeah yeah and so we've worked with the venue where the show is on for a long time to create absolute blackhout so a lot of the show will happen in complete blackness and that it sounds it sounds kind of scary but also what that does to your other senses and to your heightens them exactly yeah it's like that's the idea that you you have like a cute awareness legit goose pimples right now okay oh my god but like legally can you black out of here don't you have to have like the fireworks they're like I mean this this has been the major challenge that we've come up against wait is that a serious thing really yeah I thought you have to have the fire axes there are there are ways around it basically and and it's about having really, really carefully thought out structures in place.

I mean, quite genuinely, we are exploring having night vision goggles so that the ushers in the theatre can see people if they're in trouble. That actually might have had to be a... That's a serious question, I'm really. Luckily, we don't have to go down that route, because it's been incredibly expensive. But we're fine. We've got other things in place that ensure that it is a safe environment, absolutely, because that's sort of the most important thing.

Oh, my God. Low key lights that still black out a room, but you can see all... No, because they want total. back out. So what's the, how do you get around that? It's basically having people in place. Ah,

okay. In the room and having the audience aware before they come into this space, they're going to be... They're signing up to be completely blinded. You're going to be killed, guys, to just, you know, sign here.

Enjoy. It's not, the whole show is not like that. Yeah. It's carefully chosen moments. Okay. But there's a, there's a restaurant in London.

Yeah, where you eat. And it was blind waiters as well, right? You eat in the pitch black dark because they want to, yeah, Apparently it tastes like 10 times better and the conversations you have with people

because you can't judge anyone. Again, you can judge their voice, but like there are people you have a conversation with someone next to you all night and you don't know what they look like. That's pretty cool. Is that like speed dating? Not like dating, but more it's more like...

So dirty, I just go straight to this dating and stuff. Yeah. So can we date in the dark? Talk about food, Ozzie. Get away from the food porn. Come on. Can we date the food in the dark? What else can we do with the food in the dark?

This sounds really. cool. So you are, so it's about to come out in the new diorama theatre. Where is that? That's ringing a bells. It's right, it's right by Warren Street Station. It's actually right between Warren Street and Great Portland Street stations and it's sort of ecsticisting between the two

two minute walk from there. How long's the run for? It's a month, so it's opening on the 2nd of May and runs into the 27th. Okay. This is cool. Psychological horror production. Wow! The gap in the light. That is so cool. I am about that life. So, yeah. When you said

gap in the light immediately my first thing was I was like that's a Doctor Who title something that the gap in the time space continuum maybe it won't go down that line but can't find out maybe you find the doctor in the depths of the oh yeah that's the that's the thing that's following I can't tell you but Doctor Who is in the show he's not spoiler alert he's really not in the show can you imagine um this is so cool so is this is this is the first show that you have directed produced or is this well no it's it's is the third show that my company have produced. We're called Engineer Theatre Collective,

and we've been going for five years or so now. Yeah, and we've sort of been growing and growing. We've usually gone through a process of creating shows altogether, like as a collective, which has been fairly good things about it, but also quite tricky, because obviously it's a lot of shared decision-making. Yeah, everyone has to say yes, yes.

That's a great idea, Bobby. Also, no, that's crap, no, it stops it. So it's quite slow. Like, it's great, but it's slow. So we're fine tuning things down now. There's five of us in the company, but this is being co-directed by me and another director. This is getting me excited.

This is cool. Definitely coming to see this, right? And it's cool because so many, I think people have a bit of prejudice about theatre. A little bit like, oh, it's not really for me. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Also, saying all this stuff, you know, talking about where fear comes and all that.

It sounds kind of high-brow. It sounds kind of, you know, these big, heavy ideas. The main point of this show is that we want it to be entertaining. Yeah. We want it to be a really good experience, It's exactly like what you were talking about when you went to see ghost stories in the West Ends, you know, or woman in black. It's that level. A memorable experience. A memorable experience.

But just done in a very different way and a groundbreaking way. Sounds like it, though. It does. Remember deodorant, guys. Don't be in like a blacked out room. No air. Somebody kept farting. Really?

Wasn't me? No, no. I fart when I'm nervous. I didn't shit myself. What are you talking about? No. I don't know if the show's been a success if people have got that. That feeling.

So how many cast have you got? Is it quite small? Three. Three. Yeah, so it's small. It's small. Well, that's the same as Woman in Black. Yeah, it is.

Yeah. There you go. It does. It doesn't do. Oh, this is really exciting. So obviously you're about to kickstart this, so you're not really forward thinking. But if you've got, what's next?

I always like to ask people what's next. Well, there's a few other shows in the pipeline for the company. There's a load of ideas being back to me. Personally, I kind of finally get hard to think past. Yeah, of course. This right now, yeah, of course. A week of half's time. Because we're sort of pulling all night.

sleeping and just everything to get the show ready but it will be there when's your press day press night is the fourth of May that's the Thursday may the fourth be with you thank you very nice nice great well thank you so much for coming in thank you so much for having me if you're just listening in now we are talking about the gap in the light the new psychological horror play it's gonna be it just feels like it's gonna be epic I know I'm not gonna like I really want to see this but I'm gonna get to me new Dianarabah Theater in London book your tickets now. Thank you so much for coming. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Let's have a little look. I'm going to go for...

The last one from Power Rangers. So I walk the line. Horsesie. Oh, I love Horsesie. So we're going to do that. We're going to come back. We're speaking to Lucy Patterson film review and we're going to be talking about what's hot and what is not. Dope. Diana James on Foo Bar Radio. Damn, it's just gone 5.30. Back row and chill. Back row and chill. Chill. Chill. Chill. I like this.

I like you've got such a radio voice mate. It's brilliant. Two hosts. One movie reviewer in what critics are calling Back Rowan Chill. It's great. On Fibir Radio.com. Welcome, Lucy Patterson.

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what have you been seeing liking loving hating what do you want to see let's open the conversation people let's talk nice let's talk about your problem right what have people seen and what uh you know what's going on what's going on last what was the last film you saw uh the last film I saw was um the Belko experiment

it's been a bit of a shitty week this week with cinema releases in my opinion it's just been absolutely fucking dire so I thought okay let's pick out the horror let's go and see that And I was pleasantly surprised, I must admit. What's the Belcoc? What's that? Basically, it's this office building in Colombia, and they've got about 80x packs working for them.

They're all American, and they go in for the day, and all the locals are being sent home, and they're thinking, oh, what's this? And there's armed guards outside. You know, everything's looking a bit shady. And all of a sudden, the building just shuts down. All the shutters come down on the windows and everything, And over the tannoy, somebody says, okay, you need to comply with these roles to stay alive.

You have to kill six people within the next 30 minutes, otherwise 30 of you will die. Similar to like the circle, have you seen that? No, I haven't. It's a similar thing where it's all set in one tiny little location and that nothing is going to happen until. It's like really like... I love stuff like that. The question is like ethics, like human ethics and all that kind of stuff. That's exactly what this does.

When you go deeper down and look past the... Why they pick who to die and stuff. You know, and it's, the thing is with it, I think it must have just been a passion project because it's written by James Gunn, the director of Guardians of the Galaxy, you know. And he's obviously, you know, hit the major big time. So he's thought, okay, I'm just going to do this little project on the side.

And it's got some old 90s faces in it. Nice. And Michael Rooker as well, obviously, because, you know, they're mates. Of course. And I must admit the gore in it. I enjoyed that. Was it like sore gore? It was.

I can't stand gaw. It was and I mean it It was next level at some point You know sledgehammer to the head But not once like twice You see it proper mashed up on the floor It's just, you see I love stuff like that And the effects were really, really good

I mean it's an odd ball film It reminded me of The way American Psycho tried to mix the humour With the god-awful psychological trauma of that film and the violence and the gore and the blood and guts and things, you know. And obviously

it didn't work as well as American Psycho because nothing does. But for horror fans and real movie fans, go and see it at the cinema, go and go and watch it and, you know, put yourself in their position, what would you do? You know, would you be one of the

ones that sacrifices yourself or would you be out to murder everyone and just like, you know, I'll be the last one to survive? I love those kind of films, you know. Yeah. There's some twists and. turns in it and there was a real, real horrific execution scene like proper IRA-style bullet in

the back of the head shit and I was actually horrified and I have seen the sickest shit there is on film, you know, and I was going, oh no, this is uncomfortable. Yeah, I was like, oh, that's... What is this feeling? From a film? No. So it's called the Belko experiment. The Belcoe. And it's set

in Columbia. Uh-huh. See, I had a problem as a child because I got very confused because I got confused between Columbia and Cumbria. Literally worlds apart. I know, right? Because I remember seeing signs for Cumbria.

I mean, oh, that's why it is. I have no idea. It was north of Yorkshire. So when you said that, something that's reminded me that I was such a twat. Belko experiment. Yes, go and see it. That's a yeah.

Not if you're easily disturbed. Love those. That film gets a... Yep. Yep. Yep. I certainly does. Love that.

That's dumb. Yep. Okay, so I watched, and I haven't watched, I used to watch it. They searched Doctor Who. And the last couple of years, I've not bothered. But then someone said, oh, you really should check out the latest episode because there's a new... Really?

Yeah, there's a new... The new girl. Assistant Pearl. The new assistant. Yes. And she's amazing. And, like, you should really just give it a go because I thought, yeah, well, I'm going to watch some Doctor Who. So I did.

And I watched it on Catch Up. And she is brilliant. And they've gone right back to... Because I used to watch it in the good old days with Rose and... Well, Noel was there. With Noel, obviously. It's a bit weird. So they've gone back and she's so relatable and she carries the comedy and she kind of carries the series.

Yeah. Oh, really? Yeah. She's really, really good. And the story is really, really interesting as well. It's about this girl who, there's a puddle that when you look in the reflection of your puddle, you look weird and no one can work out why. They're like, it's me, but it's not me. And then the doctor works out is because it's not a reflection of your face.

It's only half your face reflected back. So you're, because you're completely. symmetrical in the thing, which in real life, obviously you've got one eye that's up there, one eye that's different or whatever. Actually, this week, weird time, a bit of my boyfriend for any of a year, and he looked at my face and he looked at my

have you not, look to my face? No shit, mate. Who have you been looking at? Per tension. Also, worse thing to point out on a girl's face. The eyebrows. Don't mention the eyebrows, bro. Even if it's good things,

just don't say anything at all. No, no one's got some of my eyes are so beautiful. Oh, my God. Actually, maybe that would probably go down quite well. Yes. Ladd's you heard it here first. Go for the eyebrows. Compliment the eyebrows.

Compliment the eyebrows. It's become a thing. It is a thing, badly. Yeah, you don't say like, oh, I love this. Like your eyes. Say, I love your eyebrows. Yeah. We spend so much time, like, arranging them and gelling them and molding them.

Ugh. Yeah. So, yeah. So that was weird. Okay, we've tangited. But back on. Doctor Who was brilliant. and it was kind of scary enough

and if, yeah, I mean, I wouldn't say it was horror because obviously it's like BBC primetime but there is this scary, the girl or the girl sort of dies in it and she keeps coming back and she's dripping wet and she just keeps popping up. I've never watched a Doctor Who episode in my life. I know, but I love sci-fi which is really weird.

I don't know, I've only watched a couple with Nolan because it's no. Yeah. You know, I would do that there are a couple of episodes so if you're ever going to watch Doctor Who There are even have episodes which are standalone So you don't have to watch the rest of the Christmas specials Or even different ones

But there's one, yeah Christmas specials are quite good But there's one called Don't Blink Which you should definitely If you're like I've heard of that So basically it's a standalone one It's about a girl who You know in cemeteries with tombstones that are angels Oh is this the statuey one?

Oh yeah I've heard about that As long as you're looking at them They're made of stone The minute you look away they can move That sounds like an old playground game Yeah it does you're walking through the thing and then you turn and look back and it's gone from there

and it's moving and moving and it's moving and if they touch you they kill you that sounds really like something I should watch like you turn once and it's just about to like oh my god they're so spooky and like practical effects wise it's really easy because they just have like loads of statues

and they just keep moving them and it's up to the actor to sell the door but you're like that was brilliant you know always on a shit and she made me jump a little bit

BBC, my number is But that's hard. So I'd go for don't blink if you're going to get into Doctor Who. Lovely. Or just, yeah, start on this last season and just go in there and it's really good. Really relatable. A huge thumbs up from me.

Excellent. Yep. Yep. I've got one. I've got two, actually. The first one was one that I found because I completed Netflix. When you complete Netflix, it opens up a whole new category of films for you. Just letting you know.

I want to do that. But there's this thing on Hulu called Dimension 404. which is basically the Americans trying to recreate Black Mirror. Like, we know that Black Mirror got taken over by Netflix, which is cool. But they've completely like,

okay, so Black Mirror is more about techy kind of stories around futuristic tech and stuff. Whereas Dimension 404 just takes it straight sci-fi. So every episode is a standalone little short film. Nice. Oh, I like it. And they deal with like time travel and like retro computer games coming to life

and killing you. Killing you. All this kind of stuff. It's cool. Some theory of shit. I'd give that. Yep. Do the yip thing.

Which is, uh, what? Yep. Yeah, that was sick. Oh, that was mine. I very nearly pressed the wrong button,

which would have been this one. Thank you for not doing that. And the last one is, one of my favorite, um, Shell just came back, which is called, um,

the leftovers, which is about, um, is that the one with Justin Therou in it? I think so. I'm, I don't, a live tile.

Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, that's the one. Yeah. And it's all about the, it's not, it's not the Holocaust.

It's, They had some sort of apocalypse thing, didn't they? Basically, everyone disappeared. And they thought that they ascended into heaven. Oh, the rapture. The rapture. The show is... The apocalypse.

Same thing. This is the end. Apocalypse. Come on. The world's ending. We know what's going on, do we? You said the apocalypse. I was like, apartheid.

I don't know. Definitely wrong. No, definitely wrong. The rapture. But it never actually says it's the rapture. And just the way that this show is shot is just cinematically beautiful. They're not doing the generic kind of show stuff.

And each episode is like, follows a different character in a different kind of way. Oh, I get it now. The leftovers. I'm thinking like, I'm thinking like bubble and squeak. No, no, no.

Actual people. This is all about the people who didn't like disappear. They should have called them the left behinds. That is a much better title. Then you wouldn't get confused with feet. The left behinds. Yeah, but that's a really, really good,

really good series. I must have to me, I've looked at it and I think I watched about five minutes at the beginning and probably got distracted by something. But it's a slow burner as well. That's a thing. That might have been winding.

ones. I probably just think, don't watch it anymore. Don't take a lot. Not on Netflix, right? No, no, that's, I just watched it online. It has been on Sky though. Yeah. No, it has, yeah, actually. And I think it might be on the Boxx. It's too, everybody. Ok-dokey, you'll find it. Let us know. So if you're listening out there and you want to, like, join in the conversation, I'm just going to, like, if people are joining in, we're just doing film reviews right now. So let us know what you've

seen, what you think is good, what you think is really crap, because if you go and see something, it's totally rubbish. Like, help other people save, like, a tenor. Oh, yeah, please do. Or 50, or however much it costs to go to the bloody centre. Come on out of it. A bit of grand. So what are you liking? Tweet us at Fubbar Radio or email in Chill at Fubaradio.com.

We're just going to pop to some more music right now because... What you got for me? I love it. I'm going to go for a bit of Solomon Burke because I love a song and this is the song. This is the song in Dirty Dancing. Oh. When they have sex for the first time. Oh, I love this song.

This is my Netflix and Chill song. If I'm going to do this, this is... I mean, this is pretty good. I mean, this is Solomon Burke on Back Row and Chill. I hope some babies were made in that two minutes. You're welcome. 25.

I like that we, I come back in and you just cough. I'm sorry. Terrible timing. Infecting the microtes. Oh my God, I'm sorry. So we were having a little chit-chat while that was on about

the series 13 reasons why, which everyone seems to be talking about on the internet for the good and the bad. It's a Netflix series which has got, I think, Selena Gomez She produced it with her mom. Yeah, she's not in it and I'm quite surprised

that she produced something that I liked it. Yeah. It's not like any kind of like bubble gum No, no, not at all. Maybe even her name attached to it might have hurt it a little bit. That is true actually.

That is a thought that crossed my mind. Yeah, but people might not take it as seriously but the show's deep. Yeah, this is not Disney. This ain't no Disney walk around. No, this is good. It's because I was watching it and my boyfriend, he sort of heard it

and went, oh, what is this? And I went, oh, actually, it's the TV progress as this girl, she commits suicide, she leaves these cassette tapes for people to understand her 13 reasons why she committed suicide. He went, oh, that sounds good. So when you see what it is, that's what it's about.

And it's about this girl who does exactly that. She commits suicide, and she's left these tapes and all the kids. And so you're, like, slowly unraveling, and you keep going back and forth between the present day and when she was alive. So the actual girl does get to be in series a lot. Yeah.

I'm thinking, like, how is she in series? I know. Because she's kind of more. God, like, oh, I left these VHS. These are the other tapes. The other tapes. You missed them the first time, but they're here. Side,

Bibi. What? Yeah, so we'll just leave that to, like, the writers to get married. But I'm like five episodes in, and I think that it does kind of, it takes off, it slows down, and then apparently it just runs. So I'm waiting for, like, the post-episode

six run. I've finished it in it to me. Yeah, same. It didn't take me long to finish it at all. No. And then the second season, that's going to be really interesting, I think, if they go there. There was a lot of, I'm not going to spoil anything, but there was a lot of things left unexplained, you know, that could spawn a whole season. It's weird because it's got the title's 13 reasons why. I know. It should be self-expair. It shouldn't be, you know, maybe they, oh, it's one of those things where it just answers the question. with a question. Thirteen reasons why.

Why not? What are the reasons people don't like it then online? Do you think? Well, people are saying that obviously the subject of suicide and teen suicide and bullying and saying that it kind of glorifies it and there's a couple of memes flying around kind of making a joke out of the fact of, you know, if something's too much, you just die and leave someone some tapes.

Wow. That's a bit harsh. So it's harsh, it's harsh, but I think that it's getting... Then how do you talk about it? about it. It's getting a conversation. How do you have these conversations if you don't say something? Millions of people are watching this and then they're going to talk about someone and they're

going to tweet about it or they're going to look up the meme and watch the show and then maybe some bullies will stop fucking bullying people. Like we were saying, it's a huge lesson to just be nice to each other. You know, you don't know what damage you're causing to someone with some tiny little action that you're taking. You know, it might not be anything to you but it might cause serious damage to somebody else. You know, it's not glorified at all. I think he's absolutely

I thought it was very tastefully done as well they could have like I mean I can't even spoil it there's certain scenes where they could have taken a low road or just tried to play it safe but they really wanted to like hammer home like the graphic nature of some of that stuff that she goes through

which is I think is good because you shouldn't especially these subjects I don't think you should wishwash it no no no absolutely not because it isn't a wishwashy subject You need to show out horrible some of that stuff for it is and yeah so I'm loving 13 reasons I just need to find the time because it's so hard to get I'll keep diving in it and then having to go out

I want to know what my trick is? What? I don't sleep. I never sleep. We don't get so much done if we didn't. I'm one of those beings where like I need like over eight hours. Oh, fair. I just have a meltdown.

I have like a toddler tantrum. I'll have like two hours and then just watch something else. No. No, I got to bed at 9 o'clock. I'm an absolute bastard if I don't get enough sleep. I'm horrible. I've just accepted it. I just, I can't do all nighters.

I need sleep. And I'm very grumpy little princess if I don't get my sleep. So I'm going to do it. It's fair. They're sleeping. Right, so I saw the previews of a movie called The Shack, which I can't go too deep into because it's not out yet. It's coming out.

It's a horror? No. Well, no. No, I, it was a very emotional film, and it touched a lot of buns, and I cried a lot. So basically, it was a book. It was a book that went, like, worldwide bestseller. I heard about it years ago, and obviously, now that I've made it into a movie. So it's about a guy who, he's a guy who, he's a book.

a father of three and he takes his kids on a camping trip in the mountains, like those American kind of camping places, without the mum. And he gets into this horrible situation where two of his kids go out in a canoe and he's got this little tiny gorgeous little three-year-old, four-year-old

or whatever who's coloring by the tent. And then one of the kids falls out of the canoe and gets stuck under it. So he has this horrible dilemma. So obviously he just, he jumps into and to save one kid. And once he saves that, everyone The toddler.

A paedophiles grab a toddler. Oh my, my. No. Yeah. So what happens is, obviously, he's, like, mortified because he had to save one kid and not the other. How does that even, like... Yeah, so he just... She gets grabbed in a moment, and then basically they find her, and she's been taken to this shack.

And that's where the body's found, and he has to go and, like, identify the body. So that's, like, the opening premise of the movie. Wow. That's just the opener. That just found horrendous already. And the movie is about. it's not really about it's about dealing with grief and forgiveness and it's about so basically it's a bit of a it's a bit of a it's a bit of a I think it's going to cause a lot of people going

yes or no but the core of the movie is amazing so he gets a letter in his grief he gets a he gets a note that says I'm going to be at the shack this weekend I miss you come meet me oh and essentially it's a letter it's an invitation from God he thinks that it's going to be he thinks it's going to be the murderer so that's why he goes up to the shack to like have it out with this guy and it turns out that God in three people, the Trinity, are hanging out in the shack for the weekend, and he spends the weekend with them, and they basically wrestle out grief

and all of the big questions that people have in the world of like, if God really cared about people, why would you let this little girl die? And it's very well done, and the three people that you've got in the shack, the main one, God, is played by the lady who was in the help. I forgot the name of the actress. Octavia Spencer?

Yes, yes. She plays They call, they call, they call, they say God They call her Papa Okay And it's just so good and so much This sounds amazing This does sound

I wasn't expecting you to say Any of that Exactly You started with like some kids in the words Someone to get trapped under a canoe And now she's talking to the Holy Trinity In a shack in the middle Like revenge story

Because I was thinking of something Like nocturnal animals Like that sounds very similar It's like a grief That was a great film Aaron Taylor Johnson was amazing It wasn't he Should have got an Oscar

Should have got an Oscar I will never let that go This is like how to deal with the aftermath of Nocturnal Animals, if that happened to you in real life. So this guy has got this huge vendetta. He's got a lot of hate, a lot of anger, a lot of, like, he's feeling responsible. He's got so many questions. And you also see his previous life when he was a kid,

and his dad beat him, was an alcoholic, and he used to beat him, and there was a lot of religious stuff that he really went away from religion because of the bad experience he had. and basically meeting, there's some light comedy in it as well. I should imagine. Meeting the Trinity, which is by this gorgeous Asian woman

plays the sort of the Holy Spirit, creative energy of the world. Then you've got this young, like, Middle Eastern guy who's Jesus. And then you've got... Wow, they cast Jesus right. What the hell? Brilliant.

And then you've got Papa, who's this sort of like friendly mama, black lady who, it's brilliant. And like... I really want to see this. Yeah, I'm really excited. She delivered.

some lines just so amazingly. When's it, when's it out? I think it's out next week, so... Excellent. Yeah, we're gonna... That sounds dope. I was crying my eyes out. It's just like, I mean, I've never, like, lost a kid or been in that situation,

but anyone who's had sort of grief or pain or those real kind of questions, and it made you think, and it's made me, it's changed the way that I've thought about other people, and you're like saying, what made me think about it, was that you never know what's going on with someone else, or you never know the reasons why. To get to a certain... People just don't be born evil. no no no no there is a reason why they got to that point

and whatever and it made me this movie if anything you know religious your religious beliefs or not it makes you think okay other people go through stuff and we just don't know

it's not black and white even what they tell you it's not going to be the full story because even as a person you don't know you don't know what some of the things have affected you in a certain kind of way so I don't want to give up to me spoilers

but the shack was a good movie take your tissues it was not what I expected. I went in not knowing I hadn't read the book and I was just like... And it was the main guy in it is the guy from Avatar. Oh, Sam Worthington? Is it Sam Worthington?

Yeah, it is Sam Worthington. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So the guy from out, he plays the dad. Oh, wow, good job. Oh, wow. He doesn't see him in a while? No. Well, he was filming the shack, couldn't he?

Yeah, obviously he's doing this. Hanging out of God. It's hanging out of God. Which was just brilliant. Right, we've come in to close. So thank you so much, guys, so coming in. Oh, is that the end of the show?

Yeah. Oh, my God. Has officially started. Let's get this party started! So let's go off, have a, whatever you're doing. And we'll see you guys next week. So I'm going to leave you with a song right now,

which is Ed Shearin. Lovely. Because I've seen this going around the internet. So obviously, Ed Shearing Sheerun. Does that say TLC as well? It is. It is. Ed Sheeran had to pay... Oh, yeah.

I heard about this. Had to pay royalties to TLC because the melody is exactly the same for Shape of View. So he paid them to use. use the melody. So someone's done an official mashup. Shape of scrubs.

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