Back Row and Chill with Jahannah James and Noel Clarke - Stay Home Special Series - Episode 40 - Kevin MacDonald, Nick Broomfield, Josh Helman, Montserrat Lombard, Freya Parks, Our Ladies of Perpetual Succour, Holy Crap

Episode Date: June 19, 2017

Huw Samuel stepped in this week to help out Jahannah! On this show Teej caught up with Josh Helman of My Name is Lenny and Jahannah spoke to Nick Broomfield about ‘Whitney: Can I Be Me’. In the studio we had Kevin MacDonald to talk about Touching The void and stars of BLISS! Montserrat Lombard and Freya Parks. Also, they spoke to Dawn Sievewright and Frances Mayli of Our Ladies of Perpetual Succour and creators of Holy Crap Benji and Nicholas. And breathe…..

This is a Fubar Radio podcast. Go to Fubaradio.com for more details. Ian Boldsworth on Fubar Radio. Just managed it. You load of twats. Welcome to the show. Don't say that. Hey, you load off twats.

No, that's not very nice. That's not very nice. Coming up on the show today, we have Jim Sterling on the telephone. Jim Sterling, games review. It's been on before, aren't he? And what we couldn't really speak properly because of all the legal shit. What are you laughing at? You just read out the whole sentence of what it says on the screen.

Yeah, it says Jim Sterling on phone. chatting to Ian Bolsworth. Who's Ian Bolsworth? It's hard to working out. Then, on the phone... No, in the studio. In the studio. We've got Lewis Parker in the studio. You know Lewis. He's a journalist and campaigner. He's going to Russia on his own.

To experience in the ground gay community. I'm not having a gay thing. I'm laughing at it on his own. He's going on his own. Well, what a brave boy. Why is on his own relevant? Why is it relevant that he's going on his own? It's brave. Do you go anywhere on your room? show on my own.

You're not in Russia. But you don't say when you tweet about this show, Ian Bilsworth on today, he's come down all on his own. Hey, I'm going to rush me to experience the underground gay community. Yeah, but my first question is, are you going on your own?

Why does that matter? My mum said to me the other day, we were in a delicatessen and she went, look at that lady buying all their meckles cakes. She's going to take them home. Hey, everybody. Welcome to the show.

It's next Monday. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. and we're chatting away with you here in the studio. Natalie is here. Are you still in a bad mood from the last year? No, I'm in a good mood. I just saw some rapping and it made me happy.

Do you know that Barry had to ring me to check that he'd not annoyed you and he just said you were in a really bad mood? I wasn't. He said you were clearly in a bad mood. I wasn't, Barry. He's put some ideas forward, by the way, because we were discussing about him maybe hosting one of these with me and I said that you were worried that he'd say things that were out of order.

So you're going to take, like, for instance, he might say... I sent me a really long text. By the way, I've not read properly, so I probably shouldn't read it live. No, please don't. But he said, tell them that, I've agreed to do the shows, and I'm currently working on some new features. Oh, no. I won't tell you what they are, because he's explained what they are,

but I'll tell you that one is wacky races, one is legal tender, and the other one is Transformers. So they're the two sections. He's been working on. I can't just say yes, because we need to know what they are. I know he's told me what they are, but I don't think I should necessarily... No, I think maybe don't say now what they are, because I can almost think what a couple of them could be.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, and all of them are dodgy. I mean, I didn't know what wacky races. I can't think what that is right now. Okay, legal tender. Anyway, he's doing a joke. I know, he's a joke. I liked it, and I'm not in a bad mood.

But it's funny. Well, he just thought that you were. Well done. Congratulations on your Torto Award. We didn't win it. Oh, that's a shame. We definitely didn't win it. You don't know.

It might actually happen during the recording of this show tonight. I don't really care if it does. Oh, okay. I won't find out. My phone's off, isn't it? So, so. Speaking of my mum, my mum, my mum came to, that was really difficult, I started her rolling words. My mum, I think I might have developed to stutter, you know, I think I've said this before, but I genuinely do.

I've got a friend who's just recently trained to become a speech therapist, and I said to her, because she's just graduated for doing it, and I said, well, that's just in time, because I think I've developed to stutter. And she just sort of laughed, and I was like, no, I'm genuinely serious, I think I have. And I don't know whether I've always had it, or whether, because when I listen back to, like, very old podcast from way back when, and I can't tell if I had it then, because I can't tell if I had it then, because. because I would have edited it like I do now. So when I do, I edit something, I will edit out the stutter or the repetition of word. And then on this show, you hear it more because it's not edited the show. What word is it?

What word is it you repeat? No, it's not a specific word that I always repeat. I don't think that would be. That's not what a stutter is, Matt. No, sorry. What the fuck are you on about? What word is it? I've never known responses like a get-for-reep from.

you and I work with Barry Dodds. I thought you said that you repeat, like have repetition of words. Of words, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's the word. You just repeated yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Is that it? No, yeah, yeah, yeah, was deliberate then. But when I said, was deliberate then, that wasn't deliberate.

Oh, okay, but yeah, yeah, yeah, was. Don't cry, you don't have to cry. It's just a weird response to say to me. What's the word that you stutter on? Okay, well, I thought there might be like a trigger word. I think I had a stroke at some point. I think I had a what they call petty mall. like a little small stroke.

What makes you think that? Because symptomatically, I have all the symptoms for somebody that would have that, and there's a history of it in my family. Okay. So what, do you smell? It doesn't matter. Do I smell toast? Do you ask me?

No, it's not, I've not had a stroke, well, I might have. By the time this is out, you never know. Oh, God. We've got a bad record is. We predict these things, don't we? I've not had a stroke that's, you know, crippled me. Okay. But you can have a petty, my life, that's a small stroke, which can just affect.

I've got a mate who had a stroke, and when he was, I think, 30, I think he was. And he now forever has, in his line of sight, he's got a black bludge that you can see all the time. That's just always there. Should you go to a doctor if you think you've had a petty mile? Possibly, yeah. Is that what it's called?

Petty Mal? I think it is, but again, I think my mum told me that. She said that you'd had a petty mile? No, no, I think she told me that phrase. So that might be completely wrong. She said it about my granddaughter many years ago. Is it slang for something? I don't think it's slang.

I think it's just the Latin or French or whatever it is for it. I don't know if it's the right word, but that's what I've always been told it was. Anyway, so she was down last week, visiting me, and it was fine. And then she went back and she called me, she went back on the Friday and she called me on the Saturday and said she'd had a row with the neighbours, right? About where we live. And apparently what had happened was, is that someone, one of the neighbours, I mean neighbours, 50 years, right? One of the neighbours came in parked up or something a bit over our drive.

and my mum said, I'm going back out again in a second, so I need to get out, and apparently it all kicked off. That's fair enough, from your mum's point of view so far. Well, again, all I can tell you is what she's told me happened, so I don't know if there's a bit she's missing out or whatever, but she said it all kicked off, and they all came out. So it's the grandmother of the family, the mum and dad of the family, and their daughter, who's like 50 odd now, you know, she's a bit older than me.

And they all came out and started shouting at my mum, right, saying all sorts of horrible things, okay? and you don't have a row on my mum. But anyway, that's... My mum's lovely. I can't imagine her with a temper. Well, it's there. But that's not the point,

is that apparently she didn't start this in an aggressive way. She just said about the car. But here's what I'm going to tell you. So this is back in Warrington this, right? Where I was born. And so the daughter comes out shouting, this is reported speech from my mum.

And in the middle of this row, said to my mum, and another thing, if my son was saying the things that your son says on the internet, I'd be thoroughly ashamed and it just shows how badly brought up it is. Oh, I bet she saw red then, didn't she?

But I went, no, I think she probably agrees. But the point is, I've been dragged into this realm. Well, at least they're aware of your work and they watch you. Well, it means they're obsessed to me, doesn't it? Yeah, I think so, yeah, everything that you do. Yeah, that's totally. But she said, apparently she said to my mum that I said on the internet that I hope my dad dies.

And I don't think I have. I don't think you've ever said that. No. I really don't think I have. No. And I think, I don't know what I've said over the years. I might have said something eluding in that way as a joke, or as, you know, it's been a bit dark or a bit silly or whatever,

but I don't think I've ever, I don't think I've ever got up in the middle of the night and then fired up Twitter and gone, seriously, though, I really hope my dad dies. Yeah, I don't, I think he's done that. I'm pretty certain I've not said that. No, I'm pretty sure, but where have they got that from? Is that slander, right? If you, if she's, yes, yeah, if you haven't said it.

Said it publicly. Unless she has proof that you have said it. Yeah. Which, I hope she hasn't. The only thing that I could work, because I was quite shocked. I was finding it hilarious. when she phoned me, which I don't think was helping.

No, she's really angry. Because I was like, just don't get, I said honestly, they want a response, don't get involved at all, you know, it's not. Apparently they also said that I brought shame on the street. How? By your naughty boy, what you've been saying? Yeah. The whole street.

Because I like going on the radio and say, come and now. Yeah, but I'm not aware you've named the street that you... You haven't said the street name, have you? No, but this is the thing, is that how I broke that down, when I thought about adults, I thought, so was I, to bring shame would imply, would imply. lie that at some point I've brought pride. Do you know what I mean?

That's true, yeah. That I've broken that. We used to be proud of you, but now you bring shame. So I must have been their selling point for a while. It must have been like, oh, you know, the one it is at that. I reckon they did coach tours and they stopped like that. This is the house where Ian Bolford was bored. Well, they better not park that fucking coach two inches over the drive,

it'll get a little kick off then. You've lost the blue plaque now. That was coming. But in that worrying, though, that people that knew you as a kid and that would then sort of follow your career to the extent where they'd then start slagging you off. Well, I think it's normal if I live next to life. Also, the dad, by the way, is a frustrated comedian. So he sometimes does work in men's clubs and I don't know how much he gets,

but, you know, just sort of like does a bit of singing and a bit of comparing in that. Not proper, as in not a touring comic or whatever. He's not on the circuit. He just does this one place, apparently, where he does the comparing in that. Well, that is why they know where of your work. It makes sense now. If he's a frustrated comedian and you are a comedian. It's an horrible thing, jealousy, isn't it?

It's a truly horrible thing, jealousy. But I've had it, I've had it, haven't I? You've said to me that I've seen jealous. You get very jealous. I don't, I don't, I don't know why that's had a flare-up. I don't know I've had a flare-up of jealous. Well, anyway, I'm just telling you that I've brought shame on the street. The street that I grew up on.

But it's not like you've known the street, though. The one where I should be celebrated, I am now, I'm shame, I'm shame, for shame that I've brought on that street. where I was once A hero. I was once its guiding light I was once something to be proud of I was once something to say Hey you know the little fat lad

From that number whatever He was in doctrine with two lines We used to be proud of him And then And again I debate this He went on the internet And said that he had his dad dies Well what did your mum say to that by the way?

I didn't think I came off the phone and I told Joe And she said Do you think it's the thing from your show and in my last show, in Here Comes Trouble, so I run my mum back, because she's in that show loads of times. So I said, do you think it's this? Because there's a bit at the end of that show

where I was talking about my dad being in intensive care. And there's two bits. There's one where I say, I told him, when he came out of the coma, I said, if you don't go the doctor from now onwards, I'll disown you. And some people get shirty about that. You know, I've had some people sort of say to me, it's a bit dark that, isn't it?

I was like, yeah, it's a bit dark. But what that's about is about a desperate situation. of saying, look, that's the length I will go to to make my dad go to the doctors so he's all right. So I will say, it's essentially blackmail. I'll say, look, I will disown you if you don't go to the doctors from now onwards, right? You're not the only person to do that by the way. No, I know that?

But no, the way they're talking about it. You know what fucking idiots are like when they watch comedy shows? They just don't understand what's going on. But then after that, I talk about him shouting bang in intensive care. So I flagged it up at the beginning of the show that he shouts bang all the time. That's his joke and go, bang. to make people jump. And he did it in intensive care.

That genuinely happened in intensive care about an hour after he came out of a coma. He did that because it was quiet and he just did it. And I said at the end of the show, the only thing that would have made it funnier for me when you go proper dark is if he'd shouted bang and then die. If it was the last thing he ever did. Little jokes.

And that's the only time I can think. But that's very different from saying, I wish my dad would die. Oh, no, I know. Very, very different. But then sometimes people hear what, They don't hear what's actually being said. They hear what they want to hear, don't they?

But you know what? Speaking of bringing shame on that street, the mother in that family has got a personalised number play that says Vaj. No, she does not. She genuinely does. Their initials, V-A-G. Her personalised number plate says Vaj. But I'm bringing shame on the family by having a comedy career.

First of all. Not on the family, on the street. That's her name. Vaj mate. Vaj mate. Within looking distance of our house. My mum has to get up in the morning and look outside. She has to look outside.

In this house where she lives In this street where she's comfortable And the first thing she's greeted with Is a number plate saying Vaj You don't want to look at your window and see Vaj I would argue that's bringing shame on the street Would you not? I definitely would someone needs to tell Vaj

That's shameful behaviour Somebody needs to tell Vaj what Vaj means To tell her Well I presume they're listening now Given that they follow my career with interest So I'm saying to you now Tell Vaj, tell Vaj, do you know what It would be bad enough for that

If you just dropped unlucky if you just bought a car you're like oh fuck you know what the number plate says it says vaj you wouldn't buy it it would you'd be like fine no you might end up buying the car it might be second hand or something you go oh fuck it all right i'll put up with that i'll actually have to deal with it but you wouldn't deliberately you wouldn't buy a personalised number plate which i presume cost thousands of pounds that says vaj but not for a joke so she's not done it because it says vaj she's done it because that's her initials do people call her vaj do you hear that much i'm gonna from now onwards it's a it's a it's a she must know given that i've been pulled on my

bad language, then as far as I'm concerned, they're all cunts. The rest of the show, we're just playing Beyonce. Okay. I reckon. I mean, that's fine, but any reason? No, but same song. We're going to play the same song everywhere again. Oh, God. I think I'm going to play that one where she's doing all sexy on the beach. Drunk in love? With a boyfriend or a husband or whatever it is. We've had this one song on shows before, haven't we?

What? One song? We could do it. Yeah, I'm happy to do that. Why? Do you know what? That video, right, I very rarely get hornyling that way. People, you know, things that have been put out, they've been quite sexy. It very rarely captures my imagination. that to be honest. But I saw that video, a clip from that video on a, like a giff or something, or a little meme or, what do they call them, like a little vine thing, it was on that.

And it had been cut into something else. And I was like, what, what is that? And it's just a bit of a, just dancing in the middle on her own. What she wearing? I was like, that is so sexy. I can't even remember what she was wearing, but not much. But, um, I didn't even realize it was Beyonce. I had no idea. I was like, that dance is so sexy. And I can remember the afternoon. about two hours finding it

where I was just putting lyrics in and stuff and she sings that and then I went out with it it just didn't seem to be their same song and then eventually found it I didn't do anything like I didn't like mess about with myself or anything yeah that's beyond yeah thanks Beyonce yeah

that is in case I can't remember who Beyonce is he's just sent as a picture of Beyonce very good yeah but it wasn't that bit Jacob no but try and find me another bit with a with a dancing from trunk in love probably it's from as well as well isn't it? I don't really like objectifying people in that way, but I feel that there's the degree of self-objectification, isn't there with that?

She's very... Or is they not? No, I... Would that be fair? I think so. If you're in a video wearing a bra and knickers and dancing around, then, of course. It doesn't serve her right.

She's very sexy, but she's very... She's empowered herself. What I'm saying is, is that's part... Would that be part of the intent of what they're doing? Do they want to get people's loins stirred up? If I'm dancing around in my knickers in front of somebody, then I would like them to... That's going to do nothing for anyone, is it?

people are to be worried about your eyes no I'll wear a bra don't worry I wouldn't I wouldn't I wouldn't wear a bra tape them down that they're not that big they're not that big they look massive

well they're not they're like D cups so it's fine that's decent size yeah they're not double D's no not double D's but I'm two months ago Christmas time

don't make to measure them no because MNS did a good job you're a good bra Vessimo really mate once you get to your size no I don't M and S do bras up to like size Z so it's fine When you say you're D Do you mean you've been once round?

No Is it second D? Is that what you are? Because obviously you'd run out of letters eventually when you're In that there's two of them and they're both D So they are double D in this yeah You're looking at like that You're looking at that.

You went like that Lola Ferrari that used to I definitely don't I definitely don't I remember her, I used to feel for her But that would just be impossible To walk around It ultimately became impossible, didn't it?

Is that what she did? died because of her boobs. I don't think her boobs killed her. Jacob, don't send me. That's just a link, Jacob. Why is he sending me links when I'm in the middle of presenting? No, I don't believe. You can't even click on it. Jacob, what you're doing? I don't want links, Jacob. Please sort this out. What's that? What's that you fucking doing? You're losing listeners. Every time you're around, we lose listeners.

Stop trying to be helpful if you're going to mess up like that. You're like Benny from Crossroads. Now, whilst we're talking about nippily things, let's do that. I missed out. I'm talking about diffley things, I missed out a tweet, a couple of tweets earlier, actually, that we never really sorted out the sex tape thing.

Hey, did you see that illustration that someone did? It's now like three weeks ago. It's very good. Yeah, I really liked it. It said sucking their tits, but it was just sucking like dummies. Yeah, that one, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I thought it was great.

I thought that was great. And I liked my hair in it, so I thought it was good. Now, Bephardt earlier, she said this, do dog play, like the guest from that documentary before. I don't like it. Who would be the owner and who would be the dog?

I'm not. You've got no choice. No, I'm not. No, you are the dog. No, but I'm not. I'm not going to run around. No, but you are. No, but you are. I'm not the dog. No, but you are the dog. You would be the dog. I'm not dressed up with the dog. I'm not dressed up as a dog. I'll be a cat. I'll put you in a bag and three against a wall. I'm not running around park or whatever or chasing up to stick.

Still not arranged that. No. With that bloke. Oh, yeah. Spot. Spot was it. I meant it that we should go and take Barry down with a human dog. Still not been arranged. Have I got his number? I think we do have his number, don't we?

We do have his number. Just trying to arrange that. It's one of the things that just slipped by the wayside. Because you know we're doing a parapod movie? Yes, he mentioned it earlier, yeah. So we do, I've just had a meeting about it. Do you know what? I've just a meeting about the movie just now with someone who does, like, film stuff.

Yeah. But we accidentally crashed awake. Was that in the pub downstairs? Yeah, yeah. They're having a wake. Right. That's why it was closed to five. But we got.

I don't even know what I should say this on the video. Because passing around a book of memories. and we couldn't say we don't know him. Did you have to sign the book? Did you have to sign a book of memories? Because we didn't want them to go, what are these people doing? Oh gosh.

You have to follow through. We've had to sign a book of memory about a bloke and I don't know him. That's okay though, it's better than going. Do you know what? You did that. Can I tell you also, I think, did a similar thing? It's Doc Brown because he went in there,

I'm just going there for a piss. So it was like, he's just crashed. I think he must have crashed away as well. It's got a little celebrity now, Ben, so it's like a little celebrity signature in there as well. Maybe they've like sign the book. But I just, I just look and he said, look, and they had like photos was like streaming on a screen.

And just as it happened, I just noticed that he was on a motorbike and loads of them. So I just said about how he looked his bike. That's true. But then the bloc was having the meeting with him. So what if he died on his bike? Oh, his bike could have had a bike crash. I mean, but he still could have loved his bike there and had a bike crash. Oh, I put like, I put back.

Why did you go in there? I put back on it. Because I thought it had finished. The doors were just wide open. Yeah, but you said you knew it was shut till 5 for the public. I should have known because we didn't. for the drinks. Oh, well that's a giveaway, isn't it? I've stolen from someone's

wake. These things happen. Isn't that awful? It is horrible. But these things happen, but you don't then sign the book, the memory book. You have to. Because at what a point are you going to say? I've got no memory of him. I've never met him. I don't know who he is. Just say he was a great guy. His wake was all right. I could have put that as my memory, because that's all I've got. What drink did you have? What did you have? Lemonade. Do you have a beer? Are you going to suggest some of the drinks? Are you going to have a wine? I'm just curious to watch. I actually had tea, but the person

I've had a beer. Oh, okay. You know, these film types are like. Always on the beer. Yeah, so I'm moving into movies now. Okay. In what way? Is it going to be a feature-length film, documentary?

Are you acting in it? Is it a documentary? It's a documentary. It's kind of documentary, but not entirely done it. Can't say too much about it. Blair Witchie? Well, do you know what? I've actually just signed off the teaser poster for it.

And the teaser poster, I think, is slightly Blair Witchie. I quite like it. It's got a good strap line to it. I'm not going to tell you publicly. We've got Jim Staling coming off, aren't we. We have. We put a song on. Yeah.

I've got to be careful talking about this film because I want to just blab everything. But you've signed it. It's a done deal. It's happening, yeah. It's happening, yeah. It's been funded by listeners, really, to the podcast.

Okay. They've put a fair chunk of money in. That's nice. Like, nowhere near what it should have made. Yeah, yeah. I suggested that everyone sends a tenor who listens to it. It's now up to 2% of the listeners. That's actually quite good.

That's good. Jacob will put it. 20. Oh yeah, good point. Have you got 20 with you now? No, well that's yes, isn't it, Jacob? Why is you doing Indian dancing? I don't know. I'm sorry, Indian dancing, he's dressed like Smee. You'll show me

the money, Jacob. Hang on, sorry, I'm going to get a phone call. Yep, three more listeners lost. Just don't say his name. The boy. What? Jacob, stop. I just said stop doing it, Jacob. People can hear what you're doing. People can hear that. It's offensive, mate.

You can't just do that. It's like racial Stereotyping I'm in I said I'm drinking Shit, that's what we'll be saying the day after we Wake up in the travel lodge

Wake up in a travel lodge We woke up in the travel lodge Saying how enough did we get the shit What I don't know Which travel lodge is it I need to just know I told you it doesn't matter You can be blindfolded

It doesn't matter You can pretend it's a malmazzo In your head you're on Oh I had a night In a maize on once Oh Anyhow We've got Jim standing on the line

Hello What sort of attitude is that to welcome yourself to the show? Well, I'll be perfectly honest with you. You've started abrasive. You did what? What happened? Well, I got all the time zones wrong. So I'm a little bit flustered. Let's just say, I've had to mute my computer very quickly.

Right, what were you watching? We were watching dirty films or not? I was watching adult cinema. Were you watching a blue movie? I mean, I'm self-employed Most of the time I am watching a blue movie, sir. So have we interrupted your wank? Oh, God.

You may or may not have. That's a yes, isn't it? Yeah, of course it is. Heavens. What sort of thing were you watching, Jim? This is Jim Sterling, by the way, one of the most well-respected and not-well-respected games reviewers in the world.

Sort of splits it right down the middle. It's slightly less respected, People absolutely love him and fucking hate him as well. Bit of everything, isn't it? It's pretty true. It's pretty true, yeah. Yeah. Especially at the moment. No one's indifferent. What are the upset we're about at the moment? I do want to hear about your blue movie, by the way. I do want to hear what you were wanking over.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We'll circle back to that. It's not boggling porn, is it? Because you're quite obsessed with bogglings, aren't you? Maybe we should make it a rule for Jacob. If he calls a guest and they're wanking, just say, I'm having a wank, and then we'll just call him back in five. Like a new rule for guests? What, so you're saying the rules should be... That's not great, is it? No, it's not great, but... I'm committed...

I'm committed to fulfilling my contract. Yeah, but you're also committed to fulfilling your filthy urges. Yeah, yeah. Like, that comes second, as do I. I'm not sure we can get Jacob when he's ringing guests to say, can I just check you weren't having a wank way? Yeah, I think it's all right. All right, well, look, what...

Why do people hate you at the moment, Jim? What have you done? What have I done? What have I done? Some people hate me at the moment because I reviewed a video game called The Legend of Zelda, Breath of the Wild, and I said it was good.

But I didn't say it was good enough. Right, okay. I didn't say it was, like, really good. I say it was good. Oh, I think I saw it. Was it something to do with seven stars? Is that right? I've got that right?

Yeah, it was a seven out of ten. So you gave it seven out of ten? That's what's happened? Death threats? The only death threats? Um, I've had a bit more than that I've had my um my website was D-D-O-S

which was basically brought down I've had people trying to log into my Twitter I don't know how they think that works Like they send the password request I get the email and then think Oh someone needs to use my Twitter I better go and tell them Yeah all they've got to do is just put in

Bugling 69 It's fucking obvious what his password is What? This is for Zelle I'm really shocked to about this. I wouldn't have thought Zelda fans would be that aggressive. You wouldn't have thought video game fans would be aggressive. Zelda. Zelda fans full stop.

Video game, sure. But that's like a nice little game in it where you just have a little sword fight and stuff. That's the one. They're the ones you've got to look out for. I mean, I love it. Love that game. You should see what people who love Sonic the hedgehog get up to. Oh no. Actually I wouldn't Google some of the stuff

they get up to. So what are you doing? So, I mean the last time we spoke to you, Jim, And I've known you, like, over the years, you know, from when you were a fun boy of me and then before you got, like, two fucking big for your boots and started chucking your weight around and giving it all the big I am. But anyway, you know, I appreciate your support, such as it is. But...

That was backhanded, such as it is. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But the last time we spoke on here, were you were getting sued? Yes. That got chucked out before it started. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, I sued for $10 million, which, that's what it was last time.

Then it was $15 million, before it got chopped out. That's been thrown out with prejudice. That's fine. Then someone tried to accuse me of trade month violation because I did a video on their game. Yeah, I saw that, yeah, yeah, yeah. Has that sorted out now? Has that been done?

That sorted out. YouTube have looked at that and said that was, you know, nonsense to throw that out. And then it was this Zelda that. after the lawsuit was thrown out I thought I was going to have a break right but that's not quite happened I mean I can't

even have a cheeky wanking pee yeah how much I'm under the somebody ringing you off I'm sorry I'm sorry mate and with all your problems this is probably the icing on the cake in it well it was the last time we chatted

it was a difficult interview to do really wasn't it because we were kind of you know my mischievous streak but I was also very very aware in the back of my mind that I didn't want to fuck anything up for you illegally, and I didn't want to lead you into, in the spirit of playfulness, something that then could come back and they could go, well, look, he said this publicly. And you didn't. You didn't say anything at all. You were on it, and I was mischievous.

But it was quite a frustrating thing to talk about, because I know, or I presume anyway, I don't know, I presume, I put myself in your position and thought, well, for all the laughing and all the being, you know, the character that you, not character, the personality you put over in your videos and stuff, which is you know, pretty devil-man care. Yeah, not a character, I'm not Barry.

No, no, I'm fucking hell, man. That's going to put him in a quandary because Barry blocks people automatically if they call him a character. Oh, right, well. So now Barry, no, but by his own... I love Barry. By Barry's own rules, he's now got to block Jim Sterling, and he won't.

He won't do that. Just verbally, even though Jim hasn't put it on Twitter. Too late. If she does that, I can't tweet in pictures of, like, all the Silent Hill toys that can get in America. But he won't, he won't block you. This is actually interesting what's happened here because by his own rules he's obliged to block you, but he can't now

because he won't block you. Yeah, this is what we call the Chris Duffy quandary. Yeah, it absolutely is the Chris Duffy quandary. It certainly is that. So it's a real, yeah, that's brilliant. That's brilliant. I'm glad we've got that.

But points of the matter is, is I was thinking that must have an effect on someone to go through that, even though you know you're in the right, even though you're confident you're in the right, even though you're confident you'll win it. But the stress of something like that is huge, is enormously stressful, and it's enormously,

it's like, I presume it's a shadow that follows you around everywhere. It's there at Christmas, it's there at birthdays, it's just always there, and it's like a lump in your bull. Yeah, pretty much. You know what I mean? Well, I mean, you and I basically, our jobs involve words predominantly, So what can you do when someone takes those words away from you? Yeah.

And you can't do your job. Yeah. You can't talk about these people. There's this constant threat. And for most of 2016, in fact, this was longer than even the lawsuit's duration. I was suffering from a ruptured disc in my spine. And just the two of them combined, when this lawsuit lifted, I didn't know how, just how bigger weight that was. Yeah, yeah.

gone. Like I have, my work has just been more exciting and more excited. It's just, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, totally. And, and, and I, and, and, and, I think, totally. And, and, and, I think, you're, because there's nothing we could say in an interview about that, that, the, the, the, the, um, um, the, uh, the, the, um, uh, the, um, acquisition that you did when it was chucked out, when it was actually closed and put to an end that lawsuit, you did a 40 minute one, which I thought, like, and as a genuine thing, I will say things joining this into you that aren't genuine, and I'll say that I'll be naughty the rest of it, but I will say genuinely to you, I thought the way you dealt with the culmination of what had happened and the ultimate destruction of what had happened, incredibly well, and incredibly measured, and it retained what you do as a performer, quote, unquote, and, and online, you retained your image, you retained your personality, but you also, it would have been

so easy for the Jim Sterling of the Jimquisition to go, yeah, boo sucks to you, you know, yeah, I fuck the lot of you, and you didn't. It was very measured and it was very, you spoke about quite how dangerous that precedent would have been and quite how, you know, is that fair? Does that make sense? Yeah. No, no, no, no, no, no, thank you. Like, that was, it was, it It's a tough line to walk between giving the people what they want, which is the self-aggrandizement. Yeah. You say the Yavi sucks to you, the whole show of it. Yeah.

While also trying to be as measured and professional as possible. Because especially by that point, I kind of felt sorry for the guys who were suing me. They lost everything and everything. And I didn't have it in me to be as vicious as I would have been, had it wrapped up sooner. I just figured the best thing to do would be to just repeat what happened. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because this was a lawsuit about libel. It was a lawsuit about the truth,

and the truth of those individuals, of the company formerly known as Digital Homicide, is more damning than anything else that I could have said or done. But in it a shame when someone... Like, when you say that you have sympathy to them, I get that, because in it a shame when someone's so, taken over with a cause that

they've lost sight of, they've lost sight of what they're actually angry about, or that's how it looks to me anyway from the outside, because it seems like someone's just lost sight of why they were angry in the first place and then maybe had dollar signs in their eyes as well to a degree, and just and gone

apparently bar me, you know, that's how it looks like I'm not saying they are, but it looks like they've just lost control of themselves. Yeah, well I mean it got to the point where it just, it did It didn't matter why they raged. It mattered only that they raged. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

That's what it was. It's all they had left. It was just the anger, I think. And I mean, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, I can't be angry, but I can't be that angry. Yeah, well, they were, you know, in destroying their own life, they were also trying to destroy yours. So, you know, there's a, there's only so much sympathy you can give, but I, I, I, I, I, yeah. I get it. I get why you would go, God, what are you doing? My wife is a lot less sympathetic than I am.

Really? Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. There's things she'd said that I won't repeat because there'll be another bloody law. No, with prejudice, mate, you're fine. Did I ever tell you about, do you know, Roger Langridge? I'm not sure I'm familiar. Roger Langridge is a comic book artist. He writes comic books as well. He's amazing. He's won lots of awards and stuff. And he did the Muppets comic. When they brought back the Muppets comic about five or six years ago,

he basically created and wrote it and drew it. It was beautiful. It captured the Muppet show better than anything else ever has that wasn't the Muppet show. Really amazing artist. And I interviewed him on here. I got to know him a little bit. One day I saw that he was following me on Twitter.

And he replied to something. I went, why are you following me? And he went, oh, I think you're quite funny. and I went, well, normally I would take exception at that quite, but I'm perfectly happy with that. You know, because I was a big fan of his work, and I owned a lot of his work and stuff. So he came in the studio, and do you know what he did?

He came in, and we did the Insue and stuff, we did it all, it was absolutely fine, and a lovely bloke, and I brought in one of my Muppet comics, the cover, and I said, will you draw me a kermit on that? After the interview, and he went, yeah, of course, well. He drew a kermit on it, just a quick sketch and stuff. I was like, that's brilliant.

I was like chuffed to bits with it. And then he went also, I've brought you this. And he pulled out a drawing that, a painting he'd done of me as Sweetums from the Muppets. It was amazing. And I, Nat will verify this, you were here. Yeah, I was. I was choked up.

Yeah, so much. That sounds amazing. Yeah, it was. It was fantastic. And then Miles Hunt from the Wonderstuff. I interviewed him. And he sort of had been taking to a Wonderstuff gig. Last week I spoke to a guy called Giovanni Sparnos.

He's in Batow to Head. Bat Out of Hell musical. Okay. It started in Manchester. What did he give you? He sorted me out VIP tickets for Bat Out of Hell. I'm going this. Did he?

Right. I'm going on Thursday. You went last week. You went last week. Yeah, that's why I can say it now. Yeah, I'm going Thursday with the operas. Right, all right. And the VIP tickets and he's taking me on a tour of the stage and stuff,

and he wants me to go to the warm up. I'm really looking forward to it. Like, I can't wait. Like backstage, all that kind of stuff, is it? Yeah. And then I was you, Tony Prince. He was like a DJ from the 70s and 60s and 70s. He did like Radio Caroline and that.

and he gave me his book Oh man he must have given you something amazing Yeah yeah Signed book signed it all up nice for me Yeah Hacker the dog we had on Hacker The little

The dog puppet from children's CBBC And I know the guy that works hacker I won't say that what his name is Because I don't want to ruin the magic and stuff But he built a puppet of me He built a puppet Yeah

Of what Roger Langridge's drawing Of Mia Sweetums That's nice isn't it Amazing phenomenal Like it would have been like two grand or something That puppet way He just built it for me. And he gave me an original...

Original Kermit as well. Silent Mark was on. He was plugging his... He was doing this comic book. And he sent me... Just sent me a load of Chris Sevy vinyl from, like, old vintage vinyl that he'd bought for me.

This is sounding like a really... A really good streak. It's lovely. Karen Wilde. She gave me her book. How to Be a Dog. She signed it all lovely for me. Jenny Matthias, do you remember the Bell Stars? Are you too young for that?

The Bell Stars? All right. Okay. They were a big group in the 80s. She came in. She came on. She, she came on. She gave me a CD and stuff.

Chuck Tingle, he was on, he gave me a fucking headache. We had a guy from Big J. sauces. He came, he bought me loads of sauces and stuff.

You know, it's one of things we're in it. But in it lovely when you can, and I'm just interviewing these people, you know, they're not friends.

I mean, well, some of my friends, like the guy does hackers a friend and, you know, and there's other people in there who are pals now as well. But in it lovely when you get,

I mean, You must have got a lot of perks of your job. You must have got a lot of sort of free stuff on that, doing the stuff that you do. I get the occasional, I mean, yeah, yeah, not so much now that I went independent and the game publishers were like, right, we can fuck this one off. Probably like to get any Zelda's anytime soon, well, you know.

Yeah, that's good, I know. No, no, not at all. I'd imagine, though, some of the stuff that you get, I'd imagine that you get some stuff, and you're like, that's nice, and you're like, for example, there's stuff that I've mentioned even in that list. I won't say which ones, but I'd be like, well, whatever. I'm not...

It's a thought that counts. Yeah, yeah, it's a nice thing to have, but it's not particularly something that I guess. Yeah, I mean, like even with the list you gave me, your mistake was starting with, with personalized Muppet Art and ending on a CD. I didn't... Which is an outdated media format. No way, wait, if you were listening, Jim, I actually ended on a load of hot sauces. Yeah. Which were nice, really nice.

Oh, did I miss the hot sauce? Yeah, hot sources. Some of which is still in my fridge. Right? So I could have done the list backwards, but my point. I'm just like relating it back with you. I'm just saying, you know, that you must get some free stuff that you're not bothered about having, really.

Really, really, yeah. Like, for example, if you're that, if you hate Zelda that much, as much as you do, what was it, you gave it one star, isn't it? If you hate Zelda, that, surely you don't even want your copy of Zelda anymore, just fucking going to fling it out or just give it to a mate or whatever. There must be any other things? Oh, yeah. Any other things?

I mean, you'd need something to play it on as well. Yeah, you would want you. Are there any... Am I going to buy that for you as well while I'm also packaging up this VR head cap? What? What? Can I just tot up how much?

This is just for tax purposes. How much I've given to the parapet so far? How much have you given? Well, you've got a hand out, Oliver Twit. Yeah. But the problem is with the paraphrum money. And by the way, I'll explain it to you. But I'm also trying to explain it to Barry at the moment.

Is that the parapet money goes into production. He doesn't seem to understand that. He doesn't seem to get that if we ask for money for a film, we've got to spend it on a film. We can't just fucking go Burger King. Is that what it is? He's trying to buy Beano comments and stuff like that with it. I just think that he, you know,

I don't, honestly, it's not something I should even discuss publicly. I just think that he doesn't, excuse me, I don't think he quite understands that you put... No, I get it. He doesn't get kind of way up the production. Yeah, that you put... It's best to put money. back in to do future things.

You can still have some money from it for your time and all the rest of it. I have no issue with anyone. You need catering. You will need a burger king at some point. The point is people should be paid for their time. I agree with that. That's not. I'm not going to say where you can't have a penny yourself because he's done a lot of work. Nowhere near what I do,

but he's done a lot of work. So obviously it should be paid. But if we take a chunk of money, it should be that you go, well, you've got to put it back in. But I feel like Barry's the sort of person that if you if you said here's a 20 pound note or here's a 50 pound check

which one do you want and they'd look at them and go by the way that check will take seven days to clear it'd go oh I have the 20 pounds yeah that's my feeling well you can't you can't get a double whopper with a check you can't you can't know

so I don't know what was the thing you've said about a what a VD what is it a VDU did you say What was the thing you said? Oh, I've got no idea. I got no idea. It must be a different. It must be a different thing in Bolton's on Twitter. He's been asking me about that.

Hang on a second. I'm just going to listen back. I've got an immediate playback. I can listen to it. VR. What's a VR? Yeah, why is it? I don't know what it is, Jim.

Tell me. Right. It's a thing that gives me motion sickness. He doesn't want the fucking thing. That's what's annoying me about it. He doesn't want it. But it's not supposed to give you motion sickness. No.

it's not supposed to give you motion you put it on your head. It's a big helmet you're put on your head and then I guess it's like you're in the video game. That sounds fun. Do virtual reality is that what he doesn't like it? Yeah, but if you don't like it, what are you going to do? You can't just, you could take it to a charity shop, but maybe give it to Ian.

Sure, don't suggest all the things. Give it to Ian. Why wouldn't you give it to Ian Jim? I mean, I wasn't expecting this. I wasn't expecting her to back me up on this. This is a surprise straight away. First of all, right. Two and one now, mate. Two and one. First of all, depending on the head. Either way, it's effort,

boxing it up and taking it for the post office, and you've said, I don't like the sound of any of that, then there's the expense incurred in the shipment, plus if you're... I'll pay your fucking shit. How much is your shipment? How much does shipment be? Yeah.

I don't know. I don't routinely send out virtual reality. Well, when it was delivered to you, how much did they pay? You could probably work it out from that, couldn't you? Hold on. Oh. Which one is it even that you want?

Because one of them I legally couldn't even give you. Give the other one then, Jim. Then the other one, then. Clearly the other one then. Stop making excuses now. And if you just said, Jim Sterling, you've got two. Yeah, yeah. You've got two.

We're having a discussion. You've already got two. Can I just say, I don't believe Jim. I think he likes it. I think he's wearing it on his head now. That's how much he likes his VR helmet. I tell you what I don't believe. I don't think he's even got one.

Oh, really? this is all front. I don't think he's even got a PlayStation. I think he's giving it. I think what he does is he goes on YouTube and he rips video of other people playing games and pretends it's him. And that's why he's saying things like oh, let me give the seven stars, because he'd never played it. He never played it. No, doesn't even like

computing things. That's what I reckon. That's my conspiracy on Jim Sterling. How do you answer to that, Jim? I'll tell you one thing, right? When I first listened to the Ray Peacup podcast, which was brilliant for its time. which was brilliant for its time it was very good

and I was as Ian said at the beginning of the interview something of a fan boy of him and his work and every now and then as a fan boy you get dreams of working with your hero yeah that's true you get dreams of thinking wouldn't it be great you're welcome Jim you're welcome if I did some sort of show you're doing it now mate it's like Jim will fix it well here's the point I'm trying to make right is I'm glad Had it never, like that dream never came to full fruition.

Wow. Because, because I see the trajectory this is going, and judging by the other people you've co-hosted with, I'm about a month away from you feeling comfortable enough to start hitting me. What? Right, well. You explain that? Well, I will retort to that.

First off, I've never hit anyone I've worked with. I've threatened to, but never done it. So that's important. I threatened to kick Barry's teeth in the other day, but I didn't do it. That's not very nice, though, is it? You've not been in a room with him for that amount of time. Oh, I spent the night with him. Right.

I mean, an evening. At an evening at an award ceremony. All the exclusives today, aren't me? No, not like that. So, first off, Jim, I wouldn't hit you. I know you've got a bad back as well, so I wouldn't hit you, okay? Now, I will say, I'm very grateful, Jim. I'm very, very grateful that you promote my work within your work

and that you say kind of things about me, and that is much appreciated. You don't need to do that, but thank you for doing it, all right? Is that what you want to hear? I mean, that's a nice start. Do you want to hear, is that what you, you want your hero grovelling back to you? Is that what you want, is that what's happening here? You need the helmet.

You've got to do what it takes to get the helmet. To get Jim's helmet. To get Jim's helmet, you've just got to say what you need to say. Right, let's get into some technicalities here. What were you saying about you can't give me one of them? What was that? What's that? Oh, one of them is, like, still technically forever, the person.

property of Sony. Right, fine. They can have that one. That's fine. Why have you got another? The other one is the HTC Vive, which is for computers. And your computers have got to have specific specifications to run it. Which, that I'm not sorting out for any one.

I don't want that. I don't want that. They can't have either of them, can you? I don't want that anyway. That's a problem. Right, well, no, it's not a problem, is it, Jim? Because as far as I'm away, you're a billionaire. So there's no reason where you can't just go down the shop and buy me one anyway and then just swap that for your Sony one and I'll have the free one.

Well, it's the thing, right? So you bought yourself one essentially? Right? The thing about the money that I get is it's a budgetary. It goes into production, you see. I can't just spend it on VR's and burn the things like you wanted. Oh, God. This is hoisted by my own.

Do they make this in the UK? Do they make these in the UK? I don't know. Well, I can see what's happened. All I know is that Barry's got one and I've not. That's all I know. Then all Jim needs to do is just pop on the Argos website, order it and deliver it to your house.

Just get on Argos. Yeah, that's a good point. Doesn't need to like, from a minute. There's no shipping cost there, is there? Have you got a parapod mug? Is Argos still a thing? Yeah. Is Argos still a thing?

Just about. Yep, still going. Have you got a Parapod mug? That's how out of touch I am culturally. I told you the other day. I'm not joking, you're the closest I've got to British culture now. We have an email they're saying that last week as well. I've got right.

Have you got a parapod mug? I've got a parapod mug, yeah. Did it just beam up to your house? Did it just, like, materialise out of the air? No, it was shipped. It was shit? Oh, was it? Well, given that we know that the limited amount that Barry does an admin,

how'd you think that ended up at your house? All right, no, I see the point you're trying to make. I see the point you've made. I don't see why it's being made now, after we've already determined you don't want either one. That was, that was, right, that was me speaking in anger, and I take it back. All right? I was panicking.

I was panicking, Jim. He does want it, Jim. I feel like I've been brought into a kangaroo court. You've not? We're all very pleased about your lawsuit, and we've already discussed it. This is a case interview. It's fun straight after this. She can go back to your won't as well.

I'm going to walk up by the B-Eas on Clive Anderson. A cultural references I've got left. I would fucking love you to slam the phone down, but not as a joke. I would not have to do it. It was serious. And then you sent me emails going, I wasn't fucking joking. I genuinely never want to hear you ever again.

And then I'd lead a campaign to fucking bring you down for your reviews. We would end up mortal, like Anakin Skywalker and Obi-1 we'd become mortal enemies. I'll cut your legs off. And the diabetes will seat in that soon anyway.

Have you got diabetes? Oh no. No, no, I was just being very self-deprecating. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah, well, both me and you are both shirings for that, aren't we? Shewins? Yeah. We'll both end up with no legs crawling around near a volcano.

Yeah, but the thing... Which is how I remember that film, and then. That's true, that's true, but giving our jobs, won't matter, will it? No, not really. Both just sit on thrones, don't we just doing shit? Yeah, so long as we got Wi-Fi, we're okay. Yeah, well, that's one of the places I slightly falling.

Can we before he goes find out what the film was? I do actually want to know. What film? The Blue Movie. We didn't get back to that. We said we were going to circle back. Now, I said to you, before this show started, this interview does not end until we have a confirmation that he's sending the VR. Good point.

Come on, Jim, please. I was like, the show will end, and this will be a five-hour, like, extravaganza. I mean, I will also say to him at some point as well that we're not even recording this. It's not even real. Yeah, we're not even doing a show. It's not even doing a show. We only do it. You did a pre-record.

I've already pre-recorded next week's show. Did it ages ago? I don't even do it pre-record. It's live 2-24 on a Monday, so I don't know what things are going on here. It's just a phone call, this, mate. That's all it is. It's being recorded. Jim, can you just agree to, please? He won't agree to it, that's the problem.

Because he's got all this Sony legal shit and all that as well, so he can't even do it. Well, when the Sony legal shit is sorted. No, it's not. It's in perpetuity you've said that. Well, can you just buy him one then, Jim? I've got to say. What's throwing me here is that Nats fucking batting for me in this? I just want you to have to have this.

I mean, I mean, I mean, like, I was expecting the VR thing to come up. And this, this ambush was not something I was... And I will say to you. The fact is an accidental ambush as well. Yeah, yeah, unplanned. It's incredible. Unplanned. I had no point.

I didn't even tell Nat I was going to mention this. She thought you were coming on to Bang on about your lawsuit. Yeah. And then I just went, well, let's not talk about that. I just want the VR sorted, really. Let's move on. Why don't you buy me one, Nat? How much are they, Jim?

like about $800. No, I'm not... Dollars. No. Yeah, but Jim can afford it. If I was sued for $10 million, I don't know what I'd do. Why are you assuming Jim can afford it? Just because I said he was a billion...

I don't think he's a billionaire. A millionaire, though. He might be a billionaire, but I don't think he is. Okay. I'm not... I'm neither of those things. I'm considerably less rich than I was when you last vote to me, considering what I've paid my lawyer. On legal fees are something that shouldn't have even been brought up in the first place.

I sympathise with that, mate. But all I'll say in, I'm going to bring this to a close. But what I will say in closing is what you don't want at the moment in your life, right, is another enemy. Yeah. That's the last thing. At the moment, what I'll say to you, mate, in how your life's going with the Zelda, Ferrari, and the, you know, the legal case that's thankfully dropped on the rest of it, all this shit that you're getting. The last thing you want, mate.

You want to do, you want to do anything, literally anything you can to keep the friends you've got, anything. There should be no cost on any of that. Do you know what I mean? Fair point well made. That's kind of a yes then, isn't it, really? Fair point well made. Sort of like, yeah?

So the people you've got on side now, of which I'm proud to say I am one. proud Jim proud of it I'm proud proud to call you a do you know what not just a fan anymore you're a friend

well I'm very touched by that and I'll tell you what I mean I'll balance the books I'll move some money around I mean you know the medical bills from last year I can default on them for a bit and I'll see what I can do

I'm your friend but I'll say now I'm not asked about your back don't care about any of that right all right If you're going to sit around playing video games all day, I've literally no sympathy. How I sod your kidneys too then, mate? My kidneys are fine now, mate, past the stone.

I've got a diverticular disease now. Oh, okay. Well, whichever one it is you've got this time. Yeah, sod that one, yeah, that's fine. That's fine. I understand that. That's my own fault. It's unhealthy eating over the years.

I get it. Yeah, it gets to you. It adds up. That's one thing I've learned. How old are you? They did tell me when I was a kid. I'm like 30s. 30s, okay.

Sorry, fake. Yeah, not long left. I'm 20s, me, but I'm... Early 20s. Well, look, it's always a pleasure to speak to you, Jim. Likewise. And, you know, I hope you enjoy... I mean, even if you just play it yourself, I won't feel as bad.

He doesn't like it. It gives him motion sickness. Just don't like that he's probably just kicked under his bed or something. It seems like a way. And I don't think Sony had mind, you know? And if it, you know what? If it kicks off with Sony, he'll just say, hey, look, fuck off. Send it back. There you go. I'll send it back to GM. I'll cover the shipping.

Do you know what I mean? Jobs are good. Jobs are good. Yeah, yeah. Like I said, you know, it is a fair point. You made it quite well and eloquently over the course of this discussion. Just keep all of the friends that you've got, definitely. Because the last thing you want is someone who's proven as vindictive. And, you know, proven as someone who, even if they might not seek revenge immediately,

is always thinking about it. Does keep hold of a grudge. You know, I'll tell you now that every one of my previous girlfriends if they're not, they should be worrying that something's going to happen at some point. No. What do you mean by that? No.

Absolutely they should not be. Oh my God. No, not physical. Not a physical threat. But I mean, they should be worried that one day I'm going to, you know... Say something. I shall have my revenge. Yeah, say something.

Oh, God. No, you're not having a revenge. Say something or post something. No, because that is not... That is illegal, so we're not doing that. Not condone that whatsoever. No, I'm not saying I'm going to do it. I'm suddenly backing away from you now. I'm like, no.

What I'm saying is, they should be worried about it. And what I'm saying to Jim is, he should be worried about it as well. Do you post some pictures of Jim? What have you two been up to you? Just not been up to anything. Okay. Well. Don't mean I can't Photoshop.

Photoshop, yeah. So I'm just, all my point is, is I'm saying to Jim, just watch you back, mate. Maybe your ex-girlfriends have got pictures of you and you should be worried. But I have I'm proud of it. Okay. You'd like it, wouldn't you? Yeah, that is me. Oh, I don't mean, I wouldn't do revenge porn, anything that.

Well, okay. Like, what, you need to clarify what you're doing. Oh, God, I wouldn't wish that on anyone. Anyway, back to Jim. Just say I'm the sort who will have my revenge one day. I reckon you sit on it. You're not an obvious one straight away. Like you bide your time, don't you?

And lull people down. It's like chess. It's all cool now. And then you pounce. Don't know the hurt till they're. I'm the same way. If I have a physical fight, I'm exactly the same. I just can't imagine you fight.

Don't know they're on the floor till it's happened. Two hits. you hitting them, them hitting the floor. Three hits. And the ambulance is it in 19. What was the film anyway before you go back to it, Jim? Quick, Jim, what was happening? Was the dogs in it? Oh, no, there definitely wasn't.

They definitely was not, Jim, even if they were. That's legal in America, in it? No, it's not. Beastiality is not legal. Boy, it was. What were you watching, Jim? I don't know why he lives there, then. What? Can't even want that.

I was just some bloke just whacking off his huge cock. And then you realised that you hadn't, even switched on the computer. That's a good joke, isn't it? It would have been like a mirror, wouldn't it? That's quite good. That's the joke I'm doing. They're the sort of jokes, mate, that mean you can share as long as we're friends.

All right, well, I'm going to do my very best to make sure that that is maintained. All right, man. Okay. I'm relatively high maintenance, but I'm loyal. I'm loyal. All right. I'm going to put some Beyonce on now, mate. Okay

Love me speaking to you, man Keep up the good of work I know you're not down But don't be not down by these fucking idiots With reviews and shit All right I'll be good And you too best all up

With every soon with you And your boy Barry Thank you very much indeed And just for the record I would say that Zelda's probably 10 star I tell you I'm out of topics to talk about God We've got 45 minutes left

I tell you what we can do I'm out of topic to talk about And the guest hasn't turned up But I tell you what we could do Maybe that's what's going on Maybe this is why The whole thing about him doing it on his own was a big deal because he can't be trusted on his own.

Maybe he's been told to come down to the studio to do an interview on his own. It's probably just wandering around North London somewhere now. So that's probably why they're making a big deal saying, is he's going to Russia on his own. So what the saying is, he might not get to Russia. Well, we should check if he does things on his own, like does he go to the supermarket on his own? What else does he do on his own?

Before we can send him to Russia on his own, we need to know what else he's done by himself. Fine, but what I don't want to spot, I don't know this man. I've never met his man. I don't know anything about his history. so we don't want to start to come out in being on his own and all that. And then find out that, you know, he's an orphan or something. Oh, right, yeah.

Do you know what I mean? Well, maybe we'll ask that before he comes in. Have you had a wank? Are you an orphan? Two questions. For guests? Last week, I didn't start either interview how we plan to start it. So I didn't ask that lad, Charlie.

I didn't ask him if we's good for you. Oh, God. Yeah, well, you ran out of time, didn't we? No, it's meant to be my first question. I didn't ask Zoe if you had a story about a coat anger. But she did tell us afterwards that she didn't have one anyway. We did find out the results. I feel like Charlie was going to say no to the wee drinking.

I don't think he would know. It's sort of science. Did you not get the impression he didn't really know that much about science? I think he knew about science. Consider about ghosts and stuff, I don't know. It's not the area, is it? I mean, it's not the area for him, is it? He would not consider ghosts to be science.

Sorry, Barry's going to text it. No, you're not because it's pre-recorded show. But, yeah, he's not really science. it ghosts and vampires. But the people that believe in ghosts they think it is science. Like Ghostbusters. I watched that the other night, the remake. What do you think? Do you like it? That was alright, I thought.

I thought it was brilliant. I thought it was good. It was my second favourite film last year. I think Rogue One just eclipsed it. But only just. Only just eclipsed it. But I did like, yeah, I did like Ghostbusters. I particularly like the use of Chris Hemsworth in that role. I thought that it was an interesting, I was kind of funny. From time to time it graded on me a little bit. But overall,

honestly, I just loved that film. It made me laugh loads and loads and Barry absolutely hated it. Was that because it's four women? I've got no idea. No, I don't think it's just that. I don't think that's the... What would be... I mean, I like some of them. I'll ask him. I will ask him. I don't say on his behalf what, but

he hated it. It was endorsed by most of because obviously Bill Murray's in it, Dan Aykroy's in it, Annie Hudson's in it, so all the original, only Rick Moranis said he doesn't do acting anymore. And obviously the other one passed away, Howard Ramis. But I think Rick Moranis also had a misconception about what it was because I don't think

Rick Moranis is actually closed to doing acting at all. Apparently when they offered it to him, he said he doesn't do acting anymore. No, what he said was he didn't understand why he would do one scene in a film with playing a character that he played years ago. So I think he was under the apparel. Or maybe that's what they did. Maybe they did say play that character. Maybe it was the same.

None of them else did. Sigourney Wee was in it as well, isn't she briefly? She's not. They're one at Apocon Rick and Carol Romance's away. So whether he misunderstood or whether that was the deal with him. I'd be surprised if he'd be the only person from the original person from the original cast they want to play that character. I think Rick Moranis is wonderful and I don't just mean as an actor I mean his entire

personality that I know of it's his public personality but everything I know about Rick Moranis I can't find fault with him. What do you know about him because I don't know anything about him? Just about when he gave up acting and why he did it and why he, well he sort of one of the main reasons was because his wife died. So his wife died and he had young children. So he wanted to bring up the children. You want to make sure they got the attention that they deserved,

which is obviously something to be highly commended and stuff. But I think there was also an element of it. As I recall, so this is me just recalling, so it might be a little bit off, that it was that it wasn't really what he wanted to do now. It wasn't really why he wanted to do it in the first place and what it became and playing a similar character and all that, he just sort of fell out of love with it a little bit, I think,

and he found filmmaking a bit boring. So he does music stuff as well, and he still does that. And I think he was in a double act or a triple act, something, and they've done reunions, and things from time to time. So I think he did just go back to I've a lot of time for Lee Hurst for the same reason. The comedian

Lee Hurst. And I've also, there's a lot of things about Lee Hurst that I think are truly abhorren in my opinion. I don't know much about him. There are some things that I don't respect, very much don't respect about Lee Hurst. But I do respect

that he did turn his back on the sort of panel showy sort of, you know, that. Oh, he did the, is it? They think it's all over, yeah. And then it was just like, I don't want to do this shit. It's fucking all. You know, I think that's, as I understood it, that was what happened. He just went.

He just got bored. I'm not doing telly. I'm not doing. I'm going to set up my own club and all that. And he did that. But like I say, there are other things about Leehurst that I'm not. I'm just going with Twitter and I will look. That I don't respect at all.

And I don't, I find quite confusing. We talked about Barry Humphreys last week. Would I be not similar to that? And then some. Oh. Really? That's how I view it from now. Okay.

Okay. Yeah, again, just something that doesn't seem to make sense to me that's someone who worked in a stand-up. I mean, I'm always slightly buffered by people that work in entertainment or stand-up or stand-up or anything. It's like our friend who's departed from this station and how he don't look confused. Adam.

I thought, Adam. I thought, what? Not Adam. I think he's all right, Adam. Not Adam. But our friend who Adam would fit in one of his hands. that he started out on the fringe and doing plays and stuff

that had a social conscience and he's aware of how the arts industry works and how the entertainment industry works and what the difficulties are within that and the political difficulties that there are within that and you know things that you know you would have been you would have thought from his early work

that he had a good heart on him you know that he had a good sort of socialist maybe that might be pushing it, but certainly an understanding of society, an understanding of what was important and what was, you know, the things to attack and things not to attack, which in my eyes appears to have just been completely warped over the years. And that's what I think, a similar thing with Lee Hurst is I don't understand how anyone who works in this industry covering radio, covering, well, radio is perhaps a bad example, because there's loads of right-wing maniacs and that, isn't there? But in performance industry like comedy and acting, you know, to a slightly lesser degree, but still to a degree, people that work in that environment who are on front line with people and have to relate to people and have to get opinions across and think outside of the norm and outside of the conventional stuff and break rules really.

And, you know, you look at stuff in a more honest and truthful way with no consideration really for social niceties. So the point where you can bring shame on your street you were brought up in. but that you will actually push those sort of things. It always baffles me slightly that those people sometimes end up quite fascicistic or quite right wing or

because it doesn't tally up. Donald Trump was in The Fresh Prince of Bel Air. So he obviously had his backgrounds in comedy and... That's true, yeah, you've just destroyed my argument now. Now he's cutting funding and building walls, isn't he? Well, there we go. Well, again, that doesn't... let's simplify my speech.

Yeah, please. So we'll say it to something. We'll just say that I don't think that somebody who was in the Fresh Prince of Bel Air should end up a right-wing president. That's what we're saying. Maybe what we're saying is like that's a barometer. Like if let's go back and look, everyone has been

the Fresh Prince of Bel Air and say probably none of those should be president. That's true. That's why, excuse me, that's why I'm always suspicious of those people. I'm always... Will Smith? No, no, no, no. The people, not the actual people,

the sort of people that I've talked about just now. So people like Leehurst, people like gone on that. I'm always suspicious of those people because it doesn't make sense. So there's always a niggle in me where I'm thinking, is this an act? People are right winged though, aren't they? They are, but they are. They are.

But there's also people who, right, let's put this way. If I went out on tour tomorrow, okay, I'm relatively confident I'd sell maybe, I'd probably manage 100 tickets at each venue, right? If we selected the venues right, so on this show, on the Parapod, on the mental pod, on the things that I do, on the fan bases,

the disparate fan bases that I have, such as they are, I could probably shift them tickets. Or if me and Barry went out tomorrow and did Parapod Live in London, it'd sell out, it would, because it's not happened before it would be a thing. So it'd do all right. But so what I'm saying is I can make a decent living doing the job that I don't really enjoy. I don't do it at that.

I don't do stand up very often now. But I can make a decent living doing that, okay? But if I started being right-wing, immigrants, shit and all that, you know, all that business, you know, feminazis, you know, if I started chucking all them phrases around, my Twitter account would get hard. and higher and higher. Yeah. My audiences would get higher and higher and higher because they're the sort of people

that would treat it like a rally. So they're the sort of people that would buy up all the tickets at a theatre would sell it out and would love it when I was using, you know, using racial access on stage. They'd love it, they'd fucking lap it off. You'd get a whole new audience,

yeah, that doesn't mean I believe, I don't... Now, we know, I don't believe any of that. No. But from a business point of view, I could do that and make a good living out of it. so you can make a living being a professional right-wing commentator even if you don't believe a word. People say about Katie Hopkins,

that she doesn't believe a word of it. People say that. I don't know if she does or not. I don't know how a human being can, but if she does, she does. But you can make a living off it. Yeah, you can. And a decent living off it

by going out telling lies from what you actually believe because the people that do believe it will gravitate towards you and will buy your tickets because they like a rally. They do. Well, the social media thing will go up because, like, Trump, you know, a lot of people follow him.

And if you look, there are a lot of people that definitely don't support him. But just for the kind of what's he going to tweet next, they will follow him on Twitter. So his, like, social media is going to rise and rise and rise. The same with other people, the Hopkinsy, those sort of people, because it's like, oh, what's she going to say. Oh, God, look what she said now. What an idiot.

I'm still following her. I mean, I don't know. I mean, I don't many followers she's got, but I mean, hundreds and thousands, if not millions. But, you know what I mean? But if I thought for a second, that that many people agreed with what she said,

I'd fucking do away with myself. On the spot, I'd be like, I can't live in this world. It's not the only way to get followers. Charlie Science had, it's got a lot of followers, isn't he? Two million YouTube followers, I fact, he's not going on about immigrants.

Can you see what my suspicion is when someone's not been like that in the past? Right. So when, so Lee, Lee's a good example. So Lee Hurst, I've seen do stand up lots of times, not in recent years, but back in the day,

someone who just stand up lots of times. Someone at the old comedy store and stuff, you know, Was it the old comment store? I think it was the new one. The one that is there now. And he showed no sign of any of that. Right.

Things that he tweets now. No sign of that. Well, he appears to be. And I'm also not saying that Lee's doing this. I'm not saying it's a considered thing for a career reason, because Lee sort of turned his back on a celebrity career. Could he just have turned his back on a career, had a life and then thought, this is actually what I believe now, possibly?

Absolutely. I'm not saying that's true. No, but that definitely could be the case. And that's fine. If that's what life's done to you, fine. You know, who are we to judge? You know, it's like, that's what gets battered out with you in life. And you end up like that, then so be it.

It's a shame, but so be it. As far as I'm concerned, it's a shame, but so be it. But I find it suspicious. I think there are some professional right-wing commentators of not knocking about the place. Here and America and everywhere, of course there are people who are right-wing for the sake. but who don't just not believe what they're saying.

No, it's wrong. They believe the opposite. Yeah, yeah. And that, I think, is terrifying. I really do. I think it's terrifying. And, you know, all for freedom of speech, all for people saying what they say, and, you know, people can say what they want. They can.

With it, there's always a limit to saying what you want. No, absolutely not. No. Anyone can say whatever they want. They can do, but will they get away with it? No. What's getting away with it? Should you be pulled for what things you say?

Absolutely. Should you be responsible for things you say? Absolutely. Definitely. And if someone wants to be angry about it and have a row with you about it, that's their right as well. Because everyone's allowed to say everything that they want to say. So I can't say there are certain things you're not allowed to say. But you have to be responsible for the repercussions. Of course you do.

But I'm not sure that they are some of these people. I'm not sure that some of these people are being responsible for the repercussions or even think or understand what they're doing. I don't know. if you say something that could considerably be seen as hateful and you don't believe it then how do you go home, what do you do when you go home

and you sit there and I'd be crying thinking, what am I doing? Isn't that interesting? Then you go to your cash point and you put in your pin and you're like, oh cool, that's alright because that's to have to do a balance check. But again it might just be different sorts of people. All I can say for myself is like if I had

I was going to say Jacob, that's a bad example but if I had you knocked off why is Jacob Why am I a good example Well I'll tell you the story If I had you killed in a hit Yep Right

And I got Because I'd done that for someone else One of your ex-boyfriends or something I got a million pounds I'd really struggle with that money That would be like That wouldn't be compensation to me That it would still get to me like

No But that's someone's I know the boyfriend you're thinking of as well Yeah yeah It wasn't quite a million But you know There would be But with my own

money it will just nudge it narrow. Yeah, yeah. But I couldn't live with that. I couldn't deal with that. That's why Jacob would be a bad example. But, no, I don't think most people could. No, no, no, no. A financial reward would

not be enough for the self-loathing. Would not be enough, if indeed you have that or. Levels of it, though, because if I was bumped off, that's a death, in which case you should feel guilty, but if you just gone, and I say just gone, it's still bad. And I like the immigrants. I know, but it's something that had made. my life a lot easier.

Like, there's lots of pluses for you being dead. But I just don't think... I'd like to hear them. I just don't think I'd be able to be comfortable knowing that I'd been part of the plot. It's better for you if I'm alive, though, really. I think I'd be mainly concerned. I'd get caught, actually, when I think about it.

No, well, you would get caught. It's better, better, really, if I'm alive, I think. Just, can you just give me one second? I just need to just quickly do something in a scene. Diane, can you get back to that hit manager say that we're not going to do that. The Natalie, sorry. Don't say the names.

Dabgood Cherry Pie. The Nat situation. We're not going to do that now. Thanks, Diane. Okay, that's that sort of. Oh, no, I wanted to hear that then. What, you want to hear five and a half minutes of the Twin Peaks team, please? We will play five and a half minutes of the Twin Peaks thing.

Yes, let's do it. No! It's Meatloaf again. All right, I'll play it for you. That was actually an accent that I tried to pretend was deliberate. I just brought the vinyl of this, didn't tell you? Yeah, you didn't. And it's a good choice.

I've got the soundtrack. Very nice. Have you got it on vinyl? I haven't. No, I want it. Colored vinyl. Get Jim Sterling send it to me. Get Jim Sterling send it to me.

I'll tweet him. And I've got the vinyl for the movie as well, which I've not even seen yet. Oh, well, watch the series first. And that's coffee colored and I've seen a bit of it. I've said a bit of it. Yeah, but it's too weird if you haven't seen the series. I started watching and then me and the girl that was with just did it. Oh, it's a horny film.

Oh, it's a horny film. Yeah, isn't it? Oh, dear. Oh, dear, Jacob. you're right, Nat. Sorry. Started, mate. That was the mic going live, that was then.

Oh, dear, Jacob. We can continue with that, can we? What that does is that gives the listener a little insight, behind the scenes at Fubar, and in case they were wondering whether the thing with Jacob is made up thing, like we were just talking about, it's not at all.

You just heard Nat off mic say, oh dear Jacob. Well, wait till we find out why. It's walking around a deaf hat as well. We're joined now by Lewis Parker. Hey, man. Hey, how are you? Very well, thanks.

Good. We've been talking about you all the way through this show. Oh, gosh. Building up what you're about to get up to. Do you what we're focused on, or what I focused on, rather, is in this statement about you that you're going to Russia, which you've just told us you've been. Yes, that's correct.

It's already happened. But I focused in on, so I'm going to read the sentence. Journalist and campaigner, he's going to Russia on his own for a week to experience the underground gay community full stop, right? Yes. Do you know what bit I focused on in that? What do you reckon? The underground gay community?

No. Going to rush it on my own? On your own? Yes, that was the bit. That really intrigued me, because that, to me, says a million things. Yes. That's like, well, what, is this a first?

Is he never been on his own somewhere before? Like, we actually said, because it's a little bit late and starting, we said, is it because he's on his own? Is he not really allowed out on his own? And it's like, that's why he's been on his, that's a brag that you're on your own. Did you go on your own? That you did.

Oh, okay. He did go on his own. So why on your own? Why is that a relevant thing? So, well, I've always been fascinated with Russia as a country, especially I studied it at GCSE history. Okay. and like the Tsarist period of Russia

is quite fascinating. Okay. So when I decided that I wanted to go to Russia, I asked a few friends, and their immediate reaction was, why the hell would you want to go to Russia? You know, we hear about it in the media, about Putin.

So they all thought it was a bit crazy, actually. So when all my friends turned me down and I felt quite alone, I just thought, why not, I'm going to go on my own. Oh, so that's a dig at your friends. Yeah, it's a dig at my friends who didn't have the ball to go to Russia with me. Right.

So you're essentially saying, fine, I'll go on my own then. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I knew there was something in there. And I'll show you. I'm going to Russia anyway. Yeah. But we should put this into perspective. So the reason, and it's like, oh yeah, so what?

He went to experiencing the underground gay community. But it is essentially, as far as I understand anyway, in Russia, it's kind of like the UK in the 40s, really. It's not an accepted what they would consider a lifestyle choice. That's what they would consider it to be. It's not my opinion. So it is an underground thing. Is that right?

Yes. It's not allowed. No, no, that's kind of correct. So homosexuality, it's not illegal to be gay or bisexual or trans or anything else, though it's the actual displaying that in the public. And that comes under a Russian law, which is against the, essentially, the promotion of homosexuality. So, like, Clause 28 was. Yeah, yeah.

Pretty much. So, I mean, I didn't actually go to Russia just to experience the underground gay community. I went there just to actually, like, go around some museums and experience the country. but unexpectedly I found myself well I guess I experienced the underground gay community so it was a very strange turn of events So what's the legal risk of that in Russia?

So it's not Well it's not illegal to have gay clubs It's just that they can't be signposted So like here in London for instance We have like the J.A.Y brand So like J.Y. Light Heaven So obviously outdoors there's like rainbow flags and you know it says J.A.Y. in

writing. Whereas in Russia, it was basically, on the outside, it looked like an abandoned warehouse with some security guards on there, one door into a building, and some security cameras. And then you get on the inside and there was like six floors of just

this most flamboyant thing that I've ever witnessed. It was very interesting. So what was your reason for going? I mean, cock aside. What was your reason? But what was the actual what was the... I mean, was there a... political issue. Was that something you wanted to experience in terms of what I mean, even though I said

coccaside very flippantly, I actually kind of mean that. Other than getting off in there, all the rest of it, what was your, what was the reason? Why did you want to do that? Well, as I said earlier on, I've always been quite fascinated with Russia. So I wanted to just experience the country and get to see places that I've read

and studied essentially. So upon going there, I flew into St. Peter's And on the first day, I went to get a coffee and tried to order. My Russian is terrible. I will not, like you hear that yet. We wouldn't know if it was bad. No, we could have just said anything. That sounds about right.

Fair enough. So, yes, on the first day, arriving there, I went into a coffee store, tried to order, and it was a horrific failure. Okay. And so some students who were sat down and came over and noticed that my British accent and they could speak English, which was great. So they invited me over to a table with them. We got talking for about an hour or so,

and then they suddenly invited me to go to a gig with them because they had a spare ticket. So in one hand, I was thinking, okay, I'm going to get killed. I'll have a really good night. And I decided, I'm listening to go, but I'm going to experience it. So I went, and it was one of the craziest nights. It was a Russian band called Little Big, so they actually sing,

in English, so which is great. Okay. Yeah, which was good for me. And afterwards, they was like, oh, we're going to go to a nightclub afterwards, but we're not sure if you'll like it. And I was like, oh, why? And I was like, well, we legally can't tell you.

Yeah, I'll have to tell you. Yeah, so the biggest one, well, it's one of those gay clubs and I just went, well, you don't know me. So, and then they found out and we had a great night. Okay. I still would have been thinking, I'm nervous. All I'd have been doing is

replaying hostel in my head. the film hostel I've just been like I'm gonna get me I blow-touched out here well I've seen I have seen a number of documentaries about Russia

Reggie Yates did one for BBC here it was very good actually but I still not watch that it's really good yeah I remember me saying and I'm interested when you go into the gay club

which obviously can't be signposted and it's obviously and you said it was very busy for the most flamboyant when they leave because it seems like there are a number of people who are getting attacked

on the streets for being overtly camp and overtly flamboyant do they go out into the night Or do they change? Is that a big... Is that one of the big issues in Russia that there are homophobic attacks?

Yes. There's a lot of homophobic attacks. Especially, I was talking to a few people and they were saying they have apps like Grindr and Hornet, and people will often set up fake profiles, arrange to meet them, and then beat them up in the street or wherever else. So it's very an underground scene, not just because of the legality of the situation,

but also because of the homophobia, which is rife in a Russian society. So it's... But people were... busy in the club. Male and females, I'm assuming. Yes, male and female, drag queens, everything. That's what I think when a drag queen leaves there, are they going to de-drag

to go onto the street? I mean, I left there in quite the state, so I don't remember saying drag queens walking into the street, but what I do remember is I came out at about 4, 5am, quite intoxicated, as you can imagine. And there was quite a lot of security guards which were employed by the club,

who was walking up and down the streets, and then there were taxes waiting outside, so She'd take them, make sure of safe. It was very much sort of get out the club and straight into a taxi. Right, okay. So, yeah, that's what I sort of witnessed. So I imagine that's how it works in sort of other Russian cities where they have LGBT clubs. Okay.

Did you find intimidating any part, apart from in that club, any other points? The only sort of area that I found intimidating was one evening. It was my last night in St. Petersburg before getting the overnight train to Moscow, which was that was another incredible experience, which also involved some Russian government officials sharing. sharing a cabin with me which was I was a bit sceptical so I was walking to the train station with one of my friends who I've met

so I was just chatting and obviously speaking in English so then as we were walking down the street it was like half past 10 at night and a load of Russian youth probably like in their sort of early 20s bumped into us and then the guy who was with were just like oh it's nothing but then I noticed that they tried to grow into my

pocket and then they were following us so I said oh shit obviously they've heard accent and the language I'm speaking. They know that I'm a tourist and they pray they want to mug me or do something else. So I was a bit sort of anxious at that point. So I, thankfully there was a tourist shop, which was just on the right-hand side. So I walked into there and we waited in there for about 10 minutes. And when we came out, they'd gone.

So that was pretty the scariest experience that I had. Well, I mean, you're a journalist, campaigner, political commentator. What's a creative strategist? So I work on campaigns. So for instance. Oh, for political creatives. Yeah, yeah. Okay.

Videographer, occasional YouTuber based on London. Right, so here's the thing. So given, just from that, from that description of you, so what, where do you take it now from, after visiting Russia, where do you now take that? Do you, have you written about it and stuff? Are you? Yeah, so, I mean, I've written sort of, I've got a diary of each day that I was in Russia. And I've been doing quite a lot of traveling as well, because my aim is essentially to travel to most countries

in the European Union by the age of 25, hopefully more if that's possible. How are you doing on that? How many of you? I'm doing quite well. I've got... I'm on 16 at the moment. More than 16. How old are you? 21. 21, you've got a few years. Okay. Yes, I've got a few. And then later on this year, I've got Croatia. Oh, love it. Nice. The grab are you going to? Dubrovnik. Oh, yeah, yeah. That should be nice.

These all gay clubs. This is a place. This is a city, which actually is where Game of Thrones, Kingslanding is based in... Oh, is it? I didn't know that. Phil you, I've never seen an episode of it. I've seen all of them. I was judging there. You look like a Samotho episode of it. Whereas I am the Game of Thrones.

I work with that last of it. What was that last? I worked with Fubbertsin's in Game of Thrones. Oh, Gemma Whelan. Yeah. Yeah. I know some other people in Game of Thrones as well. I've never seen it. I think I probably would like it. Is it John Snow? I'd love you to know John Snow. I mean, if you know John Snow, you can knock us up. I either of you remember why we're here? Oh yeah. Sorry. Sorry, but we were allowed to. Just getting lost in thoughts. the end's typical.

You've walked in, she's got a new gay mate, and suddenly it's like, chat, chat, chat. Well, the reason I ask you about what you do from here, how you address this, is that if we stick on Russia for a second, when I hear, like,

the stuff you've said today, and the other stuff that you hear in reporting the press and stuff about it, and there wasn't a thing in Russia recently about a soap star or something who'd condemned homosexuality or something? I'm sure I read something along... I'm not too sure.

It was something along the time. It was somebody quite famous who said something about... It was about Beauty and the Beast. Oh, well, it wasn't going to be shown there, was it because of one scene? Yeah, yeah, it's about Beauty and the Beast. So some famous bloke who was, I think, in a Russian soap, had said he wouldn't let his child watch that film if there was homosexuality displayed in the film. So I guess that's been a major issue, hasn't it, over there?

Fucking good. I mean, from what I understand as well, the scene in Beauty and the Beast is like, it's literally like a second or two. Like, and it's a very subtle message that... It's not a big clot point. Well, look, I've got no idea, but I also strongly suspect, Star Wars is going to have that'll be the next one I think Star Wars will have

a gay story. There was the hint between John Beeger and Finn and I forgot this name that's great. Everyone forgets his name. Is it John Beagle and Dom Norgleason? No, no. That's good as I'm bad news. Oscar Isaac, yeah. I can't remember his fucking name. I'm a massive Star Wars fan. I can't remember. Google, Oscar Isent's character's name please.

Jacob, I'm not seeing you typing and that's... Oh, look. Oscar Isaac plays. That makes me like you even more than. that you're a Star Wars fan so we can bond over that. I'm building my own Artadie deat at the moment. Wow.

He's going to be awesome. Poe Dameron. Poe Dameron. That's a ridiculous name by the way. I feel like his character's not quite getting the clout that it needs to get. No, as you'd know it. Yeah, there was, apparently, well, they both said stuff. I think Mark Hamill's also said an interview.

Possibly. A suggestion that Skywalker's guy. Yes, but between those two, there was a bit of a dodgy eye contact. It was a bit, a bit of a bit bite, which can be read into. Yeah, I sprayed the, I sprayed the, body white last night there's the oh wow that's full size Artadita

I look and that's not impressed I look forward to seeing that when it's fully completed I look on my Twitter mate I do regular updates on Twitter I lose followers by the day well I will make sure I follow you and I don't care I don't want to see Artadisi's

leg again thank you so getting back to what we're saying though what is the what happens in Russia what's going to happen how is that combated that's not that can't continue that can't be, that's not.

Why? Why will it not continue? As long as Putin is... Well, no, it's not fine, but as long as Putin is there. Regardless of that, what... No, but you think if Putin died tomorrow, do you think they'd all suddenly have no issue with gay people? I mean, the issue is... Sounds like it's ingrained.

Yes, I mean, the issue is obviously changing attitudes and Russian society is very complex in many ways, as I'm sure you know. I mean, there are opposition parties which do tend to voice their opinion, but for instance, a few years, ago, I don't know if you remember, the leader of the opposition, Boris Nemstov, he was shot dead outside the Kremlin, and there's been numerous journalists who are considered to be quite liberal, who have been killed as well. So it's very hard to sort of actually change opinions without getting power.

And it looks like Putin's going to be going for a third, well, it would be a third or fourth. And he'll get it. No, he'll get it because he very cleverly, to bypass the constitution, stood down to allow his prime minister to become president for a term. and then so it starts again for him. So it's a very clever method which is used. But in terms of actually changing opinions in Russia, well, it does, you know, we have to wait until Putin goes and hopefully a opposition party gets in

that isn't United Russia, which is his party, because he's very much created this one party state, which has a monopoly on the media, on society, the propaganda makes people not trust the media, but they do trust Putin because he sort of was there to pick up the pieces after the fall of the Soviet Union. And so I think ultimately it comes down to waiting, waiting for him to go, whether that's,

he gets elected out of office, so dies. So, you know, we can. In it, do you have, even though you're obviously very politically aware and you're, you know, obviously, aware from a social point of view and that sort of thing, do you ever, this is what I get the most. Like, I have a background in sociology, but I don't really engage it too much nowadays. I sort of read it on the toilet.

but I don't really I think it's all in me I think I get things Yes From my perspective anyway I get things I understand how society works and how

you know family structure works and all the sort of things that are influenced sociology including politics but do you ever just like have a minute

and just go of all the things it seems so simple but of all the things to be cross about like ditter with racism as well where you're like

like, it's all so messy now, but you're like, let's just set this down to the bottom. Let's say it's down to the bottom line of this and go, would you look at what you're upset about? Would you look at what, why are you upset about that? Is there even an answer to that about why that happens? Why is, why are people judged on the color of the skin? Why are people judged on, you know, who they choose to, whose trousers they take off? It's like, why is that a thing even? I think none of us are obviously born with these prejudices.

They come with sort of life experiences. Is it just socialisation? Do you really think that? I genuinely do think it is. I mean, you know, if you look, you know, 20 or 30 years ago, you know, having, you know, one of those, it was the gollywog toys, you know, they were considered quite acceptable. So obviously you look at it now and it's very much cultural appropriation and, you know, and I think it's even small things like that sort of feed into the general system, which then, you know, it allows everybody else to make up prejudices and it's just things which happen, which are set in the school playground. So, you know, from a young age, people are sort of getting fed information. They're taking things in and, you know, it's what they're being, you know, taught. And they're taking it in as their own sort of a part of them.

And that's what they believe in. So I think a lot of it does come down to early years education. So, and yeah, but I mean, I think definitely my generation is the most liberal sort of what we've had so far. So, you know, the future is hopefully looking bright, you know, I don't want to jinx that. But later, but in Russia, though, if education is state control, then there's not, that's just propagating that idea, isn't it? completely. They're being taught it. Yes, they are, you know, so it's, you know, it's, you know, it's, you know,

it's, you know, it's, it starts when Putin goes and hopefully the opposition comes in, but it's going to take generations to come to, you know, to go down to the fabrics of society and, yeah, and break that stigma down. And where you just stand on the theory that, you know, a degree of homophobia comes, you can't really apply it to racism,

but a degree of homophobia comes from somebody's own sexual insecurity or perhaps fear of their own feelings. I do think that place a massive part. I mean, internalised homophobia within the LGBT community is massive, you know. I mean, you know, I've,

friends of mine who, you know, some of them aren't even out, you know, they sometimes make comments and I've got to say, you know, you do realize you're actually being homophobic and they're like, how can I be homophobic? I'm gay, you know, and it's it's that realization, you know, that women, you know, if a woman can't be sexist, you know. Yeah.

Yeah. I have a difficulty with it, because I'm a comedian, so I have a difficulty with it, because, you know, most things I will talk about not particularly on this show, I want me to have, serious discussions like this, but most things when I talk about them, I've always got one eye on either being mischievous or being

whatever. And we had an ongoing thing in one of the podcasts, the other podcasts that day, we were about, that I was suggesting that my co-host was gay. And it happened over a series, really, it was going on. And I actually spoke to Barry about it at one point and said, I think we're on dodgy ground

with this, because even though I know what I'm doing and you know what I'm doing, there are people. It's just, it can, and then we just started, getting emails and I was literally writing back and I never did it's just going honestly we've already had this talk and I absolutely agree with you like they would say you know I love the par up and I really love what you do and that just doesn't say you know not all gay people either it wasn't similar I'm a gay man or people also gay fans who had no issue with it at all

and I was having to write back going and I've actually not got a defense for this at all I've not you know that what my defense is is I'm being childish well there's one in this week's episode not this would be last week's episode now where it's the bullying Barry special because people say I bully him and I don't so I decided for one episode I am just going to bully him so I've got nothing to lose

and right in the middle of that I say you've got hair like a gay right? And he goes, he's what I go you've got hair like a gay you look like a gay and I actually had to say in the episode they actually said

please don't email me about that I know that's wrong I'm doing what children do in the playground that's what I'm trying to get across here but even that But do you think someone could listen to that and think oh that's an acceptable I mean that's the issue of it

I think so it's the manner of saying something well I have to say yes because I'm a comic so I have to say I have to like I said before I have to go full freedom of speech and say intent is everything but your intent does not rule out how somebody responds to it so you start to be responsible for what you said so I consider myself response

so if I get emails about that again I can't the only argument I can offer is what I say in the episode which is I was doing I was doing a child in a playground who think it's all right but it isn't all right I mean there's definitely a line between comedy and sort of casual hermophilia I mean personally I wouldn't sort of take offence to that comment I mean I haven't seen the guy's hair but you know if it's proper like it looks like I mean I don't think it'd be in the fence it's like a proper bender

you know what I've met Barry and I can't remember his hair No it's the way he'd done his ear all right He was like proper So what sort of style Was it a quiff? Was it a pub or was it? A bit like yours back

All right Okay well In that case it's the greatest compliment Yeah he did It was sort of a little quiff But I didn't think that wasn't me I didn't think that I wasn't saying that you like

I thought Barry had no hair Oh he sometimes In my head In my head I think I met him I'm definitely don't remember him having hair That's quite bad that you've met someone and don't know what the house is. That is actually really bad, isn't it?

Unless you met him, did you meet him during this cancer treatment? Oh, no, I didn't. So, but you're right, though. And I understand saying you wouldn't take offence at it, but that's my overall point is that I can, I can't get too stamping my feet about artistic freedom and shit if someone took offence, because I don't know what their background is and I don't know what their triggers are or whatever, you know.

And I think that even though some people can do, dismiss triggers out of hand sometimes. It's like Dodds goes mad about trigger warnings. He said, oh, trigger warning, people need to fucking grow up. And it's like toughen up and all that. And I always respond to him saying, if you're bothered by a trigger warning, it's not for you. So just let it go. If you think that's pointless, it's not for you.

Well, everyone's got the right to be offended by something that you might go, I think it's fine. But I say, well, that has offended me. But then it goes, should you not say it? No, you have the right to be offended. You don't necessarily have the right to enforce your offence in a sensorial way. No. You can't say, because I am offended, that can't exist. No, but I could say to you, you've said it,

but just let you know I am offended by this. He needs to be a right laugh this show. I know. It's not really faint. I think fucking question time is, right? I know, isn't it? Well, there's more to come without. Yeah, wow.

God almighty. I'm not offended at the time as well. Yeah, it's interesting, isn't it? Yeah, but I just want, I do have. find it quite a desperate situation really. There's no real answer to it, is there? Because there will always be people being offended, and there will always be people saying,

I've got the right to say anything. It's very hard because, obviously, there's, you know, free speech on one hand, you know, being offensive on the other. So, I mean, especially for me as somebody who considers themselves as a campaigner and activists, but also managing that as a journalist as well and trying to uphold the values of free speech,

which is fundamental to Western democracy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a very hard balance, you know. Well, they don't sit hand in hand, do they necessarily? They do not. I think if you believe in trigger warnings and no platforming like some sort of places do

like the NUS, the National Union of Students and sort of limiting what people can say it is going against freedom of speech so if you believe in those things you're not fully committed to freedom of speech and that's very difficult for my mind to comprehend and because I'm very mixed on the issue so. I've said plenty of times on this show militants will ruin the world.

I agree. So anyone militant on either side on either side getting militant is never the way well let me just say being a member of the Labour Party I completely understand that because Christ have mercy it's fucking horrendous

it really is I dare say one but you know you've got to look for the good people aren't you you've got to go well who's actually even if they're doing it wrong Corbin No but I get it but I think with Corbyn I mean I don't he even got a time to talk with this, but

do you not believe, you might go, that makes you one electable as a party. And I say you, I'm a former member in the Labour Party, I'm not a member of any party now, right? I pretty much tell me back on organised politics completely. But what I will say, as a now outsider of something that I used to be a member of,

and I think if I had to support someone, I'd support the Labour Party, that, you know, but I'd just rather just go, ah, fucking get on with it yourselves. I live in my house. I wish I made that decision on a while again. It's too late for me. But you know what, man, you may well do. But I occasionally miss the old days of being an angry young man,

but I mostly am a much happier individual. I can imagine. Without that constant fight for things that weren't always that important. That's how I see it. The important thing sometimes got lost is what I feel. My feeling on Corbyn is that he is a good chap, is what I think. I think he is a good person. That's what I think about him.

And I also feel that I understand why people in the lay party would be like, oh, for fuck, I get that. We're never going to win. But I think sometimes thinking we're never going to win is losing sight of goodness. This is what I think. I agree a little bit, but then we don't have much time, obviously, and I could debate this for hours and hours, trust me. I mean, I've got to cut you off that, so you don't get a right reply, mate.

So, I mean, you know, I do think he's a good man. I think he's made some questionable decisions in the past. Yeah. And I do honestly think that, you know, the way that, you know, the way that, that he and his leadership team is acting isn't very good and I don't think it is, dare I say moral,

because it is denying the country of an opposition at a time when we're going through so many changes and so many people need an opposition to this government. And, you know, look at Prime Minister's questions last week, you know, the government, you know, went backwards

on national insurance contributions. That should have been an easy shot for any leader of the opposition. Yeah, that was the week before last one at? Yeah. Yeah, sorry. Yeah, sorry. Yeah, sorry.

Yeah, you're fine. And, you know, it's just, you know, Theresa May left the PMQ's laughing. So, you know, there's no opposition. There's no chance of labour winning. And it's just a disaster for anyone. But what my fear for the world is, is that in order to be a viable opposition, you've got to get down the Blair route, that's what my feeling is. And, you know, and I was, I was going to say, I was instrumental in getting Blair.

I wasn't. I mean, if you were, then please tell me more. I'm very intrigued. I've got me. it actually was. But I said, that was a big support of the Labour Party leading up, like for many years leading up to that. But going back to Kenner, it leads up to that.

And John Smith, fucking what would have happened. And then I watched the Labour Party sell out the Dockers within like a week. And it was like, what is that? What is going on there? What is, you know, and then I met John Prescott. I was like, what the fuck? I thought you like, Trubby League. I thought he'd be this fucking maniac, this bloke.

That's how I, you know, I was like, I don't know what I thought you were. not that's really when I came away from politics, to be honest with you. That was what destroyed for me. But they got elected. They managed to do it by going, you know, well, well spoke by, in it,

by going right, go right. Well, going to the centre, not necessarily to the right. It's still right from where they were. I mean, yes,

but when you consider the actual changes, what that was made under the Valer and Brown government, you know, it's amazing what happened. So, you know, and completely shifted, shifted the political centerground and,

yeah, changed British society for, well, for years to come. I just, I want my Labour Party left and I want my Conservative Party right. I want it to be that, I want it to be that sort of battle. I imagine Game of Thrones probably is. I want it to be.

Stormtroopers and rebels is what I want. I want it that far apart. I don't want to move and close it on. I'm fucking far apart. And then once the election happens, then we can all get a bit closer again. But I think you've kind of got that now with, you know, the current government and the Labour Party. But as you're saying, though, that makes them unelectable.

So it's one and difficult ones. But although how the present Conservative Party is electable is beyond me, much as I try to be a political. Well look, it's been a pleasure to speaking me, I've been great to be here. And I was about to say, and your book is a, would you go back to Russia again on your own? Yes, I would.

Would you go on your own? Well, my choice, just to finish it off, since I've been, so many of my friends now want to come with me, so I'm like, yes, so you've been saying, you're the fucking canary down the line. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So now they want to come, now I've been and tried and tested it out.

Yeah, yeah, nice. A lot, pleasure speaking to you in your man. Thanks for joining us there. We've got Sarah and possibly Mice. We don't know. It's a week before. I think it's Sarah and Mice are on after this. Or them, like, doing all the rapping.

Things go happen in a week. Or the rap group. It's the hip-hop show after this one. And do you know what? If you're listening now, Sarah, can you orchestrate it in the hip-hop show so it's a bit less aggressive this week? Oh, it's aggressive.

Not all shouting at each other. Just do nice rapping for a bit. Nice rap. I call me, crappy chicken. That's weird. If you enjoyed this podcast, please don't forget to rate and review us on iTunes.