Back Row and Chill with Jahannah James and Noel Clarke - Stay Home Special Series - Episode 6 - Doc Brown, Adura Onashile, Max Casella, Matthew and Jeffrey Postlewaite, Percelle Ascott, Leanne Elms, Joe Morton and Alexander Bodin Sapphir

Episode Date: May 29, 2020

In this episode of Back Row and Chill Stay Home Special, Noel and Jahannah spoke to Doc Brown, Adura Onashile, Max Casella, Matthew and Jeffrey Postlewaite, Percelle Ascott, Leanne Elms, Joe Morton an...d Alexander Bodin Sapphir.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Back Row and Chill with Noel Clark and Johanna James on Fulbar Radio. We're about to speak to the Emmy Award-winning film and television stage veteran actor, Joe Morton. Where are you in the world at the moment, Joe? I'm in the Marina Del Rey in California. Ah, Marina Del Rey. I shot Star Trek into darkness out there. Very nice area. Is that right? Yeah, really nice white beach, yeah.
Starting point is 00:00:24 I was the first 10 minutes that blew up everything before Benedict came and took everything over. So Joe, one of the most watched television shows is Scandal. And you played the nefarious Rowan. How did you get involved with Scandal at the very, very beginning? No, season two. I'm assuming as an actor is an audition, or were you offered the role originally? It's a very funny story. I came out of L.A. for pilot season.
Starting point is 00:00:44 I had, of course, heard of Scandal, but never had an occasion to watch it. Watch the first season on Netflix. After seeing it, I just found out of love with it, thought, oh, this would be wonderful. I could figure out a way to get on the show for an episode or two. And before I even had a chance to talk to my agent or my manager about trying to do that, I got a call from them saying that Scandal wanted to talk to me about coming on to the show. Nice. When I spoke to Purdue Candal, they made it clear that if I decided to take a role that at the end of season two,
Starting point is 00:01:14 the last two lines would be, Hello, Olivia, hi, dad. And I said, yes, that sounds great. I'll take a job. Wow. Fantastic. Fantastic. You, also, in my eyes, not just because of Scandal and your wonderful, career, but you're a legend because you are also in the Terminator films, which I happen to love from when I was a child. What was it like for you back then? Did you know those films or that film in particular, T2 was going to be as big as it was? Well, if you remember, the first Terminator film was rather a low budget film. Yeah. It did very, very well. So Terminator 2 was
Starting point is 00:01:47 for James at that point, a very large step up. I was absolutely excited to be part of it to work with Arnold and Linda. So it was enormously precise. Very big difference for me. I mean, I had done John Sales movies in the past, which were, again, low-budget film, so I had never been around that kind of size and that kind of money in terms of film before. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Was it one of those ones where the catering budget was bigger than some of the budgets
Starting point is 00:02:12 of the movies he'd previously been on? I've been there a couple times. Yeah, I think probably their category budget was probably as large as what one of John's movies. Yeah. thought. James did things like he would.
Starting point is 00:02:24 Before we finished my death scene, he actually went sort of, because you remember at the end, after I died, Linda sort of scooted across the floor and they started shooting at her
Starting point is 00:02:33 and all the windows get blown out. He blew up windows long before he decided to shoot that scene just to see what it would look like. And I had never been around that cloud for that kind of stuff. Yeah, crazy.
Starting point is 00:02:45 That's crazy times, man. And he still does that with stuff like Avatar, just huge, absolutely monster-sized, movies. And a couple years ago, you won an Emmy. What was that feeling like to get up on stage and after having such a stellar career anywhere? I know you don't define your career by awards, but how did it feel to actually be recognized by people at that stage? It's a very exciting thing when it happened. I was more than happy just received the nomination.
Starting point is 00:03:08 Yeah. So to win the actual award was just tremendous. Very surprising. I mean, I'd only been on the show for one season and six episodes. So all that to happen that quickly, I thought was astonishing. It was about to take in for a while. I don't know if you ever saw it, but we put out a picture the following day on Twitter of me in bed. Yeah, no, I've seen it. It's in front of me right now.
Starting point is 00:03:30 I've got the picture in front of me right now. And so it may have been surprising to you. You deserved it. I actually had the statue on dining room table from the night before, and I got up the following morning, went into the dining room just to make sure that it had really happened. And then my girlfriend said, oh, that's a good idea. Why don't you just get back in bed with the award will take a picture?
Starting point is 00:03:50 That's where that came from. It's a great picture. And sir, it may have been surprising to you, but it wasn't surprising to us. You definitely deserved that, I have to say. Well, thank you. Thank you so much, Joe, for calling in. Hope you have a lovely day.
Starting point is 00:04:01 Rest of the day, not sure what time it is in California. And continue being an inspiration for all of us. You are a genius. Thank you. Back row and chill with Noel Clark and Johanna James on Fulner-Bar Radio. Leanne Elm. Hello. Hi, how's it going?
Starting point is 00:04:17 Hi, babe. Welcome to the show. Oh, it's all very excited. You are a comedian. I am, yeah. Trying, always trying. Where did you start? Where can people find you?
Starting point is 00:04:25 Oh, well, I started when I popped out the womb. I was always quite a funny child. I bet you did. I bet you popped out a joke. Thank you. But a bop. Absolutely. Very special child, apparently.
Starting point is 00:04:39 Very special. Yeah, so I just went to drama school. Went to drama school, did an intense three years, well excited, did what loved every day, came out. Nothing there. Nothing happened. Jesus, what am I going to do in my life? Did a few bits and bobs,
Starting point is 00:04:58 opened to theatre school, became a producer for the wall of comedy. Big up the wall of comedy, brap, brap. Yep, a ball of comedy going. Follow them. Givamay, Pesel Ascot. And then, yeah, started doing stand-up comedy and a bit of social media influencing, making some funny sketches.
Starting point is 00:05:13 I'm making a twat out of myself. Great, well, that's what we're all professional twat. Absolutely. Which is great. And so what made you go, I'm going to get up on stage and say jokes? So it was when I was working with the Wall of Comedy, actually. They brought out this Wall of Comedy Stand Up Live. I was actually producing for them. Javan, one of my managers at the time, said to me, Leanne, you should get up and do this. And I was like, all right then. So I did. I put a sketch together. I put a little bit together. And it went really well. And I got a stand innovation.
Starting point is 00:05:44 Yes, Queen. I couldn't believe it. It was crazy. And then I went and did another one. the second week with Axel Blake at his club Tropicana and I got booed off so it can go one way or the other is what I'm trying to stay here oh gosh what's great is that after that booing session you've just continued to I've just continued yeah I was like I shavid up your pumper lumpur so I'm getting back up shuffing off that pump a lumpelumpur we invented a word called pumpa lumpa lumpa good so it's another word for vagin for vaginas your pumpa vagina actually while we're talking about vaginas because there's a lot of vaginas here What was like your pet word for it?
Starting point is 00:06:21 Or like when you were a kid, like, did you call it vagina? Vigina. But did you call it anything else? Because I didn't call it a vagina. Mine was a flower or a ripe petal. Your ripe petal? My ripe petal. What did you call yours?
Starting point is 00:06:35 No, but I spoke Hebrew. What's vagina in Hebrew? Pot. Pot like a pot. Like a flower pot. A flower petal and a pot. Oh my God. You're like.
Starting point is 00:06:48 My flower petal is in your pot. My girls, though, my girls have a tendency to call it a nunny. A nunny? A nunny. I don't even know why they say that. Like, I use the word vagina. I say vagina, but they seem to refer it as nanny. My mom asked me what I want to call it.
Starting point is 00:07:05 Oh. Yeah, what did you say? She went, name your vagina. Yeah, she was like, well, what do you want to call it? And I remember, she said, apparently, I looked down, I looked at the back, and I went, front bottom. Front bottom? Front bottom. Front page.
Starting point is 00:07:18 Trump Beach. It just looks like the back at the front. Made sun. So I got these pair of leather trousers. Yeah. But, you know, in the heat, sometimes it's nice to wear them on a nice cool summer's day.
Starting point is 00:07:30 But when that sun comes out a little bit stronger when you're least expecting it and you just sort of pull them down to go for a quick wee. And then you can't get them back up. Luckily, I always carry talcum powder. Just luckily I've gone back of it in my bed.
Starting point is 00:07:44 I always carry tag powder. You know, just for a casual chafe. So I think, you know, to just give that talcum powder a little squirt down those pleathers. And that's it. And up they come, you know. As I was walking, it was like dripping sort of cocaine-type substance at the bottom of my leg. As I was walking, it was like Hansl & Greto, you know, finally Anne. There she is, follow the cocaine.
Starting point is 00:08:07 Imagine if you forgot that you'd like talc'd talc'd earlier and then, you know, some gentleman removes your pants and he gets poofed in the face by a cloud of talc. I mean, it's actually got quite a nice scent to it. I mean, you're like a fairy. Yeah, I was like a fairy dust. There you go. Fanny dust out of your vagina. Fat devil chalop. I mean, yeah, I don't know.
Starting point is 00:08:29 I feel like if I put that down there, it might sneeze. Oh, Jesus. You need to do some more pelvic floss, both. I really do. Like, we went trampolining this year, a bunch of mates. And it's the first time I've been properly trampolining in about, what, seven, eight years. All of us, all of us. of the ladies when, whoa,
Starting point is 00:08:49 there is some serious bladder. I nearly peed myself a few times and I was like, whoa! Do you know what? That happens a lot. I'm actually quite concerned about my pelvic floors at the moment. I mean, I've actually been doing them. I'm actually doing them now, sitting here. I'm actually doing them. I'm really sort of pulling up. You know, the other day, I laughed quite hard.
Starting point is 00:09:10 I mean, and just a little bit of week. Yeah. Yeah. Can happen. I crossed my legs when I laugh now. Like, it's a mess. That's how you know if someone's the mom would know when she laughs. We cross our legs. Really? It's for real. I mean, yeah, I heard this stuff. I'm like, oh, yeah, when you get older, you know, bladder's weaker, blah, blah, blah.
Starting point is 00:09:28 And I thought, you just feel like I used to do gymnastics. So I was used to my body being able to do things. And now I can't do them. Yeah. I'm like, yeah, I can do the split. No, I can't. It's all getting stiff. I woke up this morning with like a frozen shoulder.
Starting point is 00:09:39 I didn't know what I did. I'm so glad you said that. It's to me on a regular. No, it does. Like, I'm in the shower at the other day. And I was just there. I was like, oh, God, that was really quite painful. Just tilt in my neck, trying to do the old pat the dog.
Starting point is 00:09:51 Yeah. Oh, the pain. All of my muscles. I think it might be partly to do with not sort of in taking any exercise whatsoever. Exactly. Get my kids complaining about stuff like that. Like old ladies and they're seven and five. Like, how is this possible?
Starting point is 00:10:08 You're new. Your body's new. My dad said to me the other day, don't come on. We're going to go swimming. I was like, honestly, I couldn't think. have any adult you need to go you need to go do it for yourself all right don't do it for anyone else for you i was that if i come i'm actually going to be doing it for you because i don't want to go i don't want to move down i just want to eat chocolate brownie yeah maybe that's how you go swimming just
Starting point is 00:10:30 get somebody put it on a float and you can just chase it up and down that's not bad idea there's motivation i'm not motivated to exercise really unless you know i know i'm going to be naked at some point soon with guests and um and and and And then I'm like... Is that way the heating's on, by the way? It's very hot in here, isn't it? She's trying to get a sleep. Oh, my God.
Starting point is 00:10:53 It's so hot. I'm aspiring from every crevice. You're sitting right underneath it. I turn the aircon off and I think I broke it, put it back on. It's putting out heat. Leanne, I would love you to do the rap. I've got a little rap. She's got a little rap that she's going to do.
Starting point is 00:11:06 Boom, boom, brap. Brap. Absolutely. Your other online alter ego, I'm going to say, is a girl called Lil T. Little Tea, big up, brap, wrap, wrap. And we've done quite a few. hilarious music videos. Yeah, we've done a few. New school parody. So, this track, what's this track called?
Starting point is 00:11:21 This is called the donut anthem. The Donat Anthem, which is quite fitting from what we're talking about today. Food. We're like, food, body confidence, flaps. Yeah, flaps, everything. What's that lyric? A belly in the front. A butty in a buck. Yes. That's the one. Right, so Toby, you're in for a treat here. You're going to get an actual live rendition. I'm actually quite nervous. I'm going to found this. I made this wrap up and had it produced, etc. because I love food. And when I bought my first wrap out, there was a lot of trials it did really well hit 1.5 million views it did really well but most of those comments
Starting point is 00:11:50 were really horrible I've been told you know don't worry about the nasty comments it's exposure the matter all right one of the comments was oh my god like do you know what I mean all that money you're getting from making that video you should totally go and buy a gym membership and then there were a few more that came in in the end I was like oh my that's it in my next one I'm just going to eat donuts. Yeah. And I'm going to make one up about being just a little bit pokey. And this is what happened.
Starting point is 00:12:22 This is the baby. So, okay, right, little tea, take it away. Oh. Let's go. Big up all my secret eaters and all my midnight feasters. Shout out Gregs and shout out every independent bakery inside the manna. Little tea's back with a brand new track. And she's dropping.
Starting point is 00:12:45 bars. Let's go. Belly in the front, batty in the back. Another KFC and your thighs go whack. Batty in a back. Tummy in a back. Tummy in a front. In between your minge and your belly is a gun. When you get down to the gym, because you're trying to get all thin. When all you really want is a donut, but you're going to crack down with some spin. Yeah, little cheese got the entire selection.
Starting point is 00:13:05 Never going to beat her donut collection. If you want to beat her, take a little seat, yeah. Never going to hop her because you know you ain't got shit, yeah. Yeah. Bally in the back. Another KFC and your fides go whack. Bally in the back. Here we go.
Starting point is 00:13:18 Yo, little T's got the entire selection. Never gonna beat her doughnut collection. If you wanna beat her, take a little seat, yeah, never gonna happen because you know you ain't got shit, yeah. Belly in the front. Bally in the back. Another KFC and your fides go whack. Batty in the back.
Starting point is 00:13:31 Tummy in the front. Indretting a wind and a belly is a gun. Yo, I'm fun to put a bit of break dancing. On the stage with a matz and ting. Oh, speed it go round like a blink, bling, bling. Let's go. Oh, yeah, not really. Everyone in it is cheering for me.
Starting point is 00:13:46 Even my mom and my daddy. Look over there, my whole family. Dry hump, step, out and a spoonie. Oh, in the back is a juicyy. Sorry, me, you're a bit lonely. Let's go. From the front of the back, your family. The lila-l-l-l-l-te-group personality.
Starting point is 00:14:01 I'm environmental, temperamental, sentimental, sentimental. Some-sammental. M-men, me-mento. Some say a min-min-min-minto. in the front, batty in the back, another KFC and your fights go whack, batty in the back, tummy in the front, in between your minge and your belly is a gun. Yo, Lilj's got the interselecter. Never gonna catch her, never gonna better her.
Starting point is 00:14:24 If you wanna beat her, take a little see, yeah? Never gonna happen, because you know you ain't got ice, and little G's got the interselector. Never gonna catch her, never gonna better her. If you wanna beat her, take a little see, yeah? Never gonna happen because you know you ain't got shit, yeah? That's right. Big up all my secret eaters and all my midnight feasters.
Starting point is 00:14:42 this is the donor anthem Charlie Sloth hear me now fire in the booth get me on there I forgot I forgot half the lyrics but don't worry we continued
Starting point is 00:15:16 That's alright That's my gym song Nothing better I really want a donut now I know I don't want a donut On me chocolate in the middle If you're gonna do it or something
Starting point is 00:15:27 Back Row and Chill with Noel Clark and Johanna James On Subbar radio So Doc Brown's here. Doc Brown, guys. That's the third voice you're hearing, who, who, who, Doc Brown, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Starting point is 00:15:39 I'm having so much needed rest by it. It was kind of a couple of years there of not really resting at all, I guess because, you know, when opportunities come your way in our business and you know how that period of time that your candle might burn, you know, I've been going for it.
Starting point is 00:15:55 Yeah, I got off like the press junket for Ricky's film, Ricky Javais's film. And did you guys talk? Where did you talk? We just did it everywhere, but we didn't have to, travel everywhere so a lot of people came to London so you didn't get to go to Japan no no no we dealt with all the press but most people came to so hotel
Starting point is 00:16:10 I think we're losing out because you know Arnold Ochoon yes you know he did the good life and he toured the world I don't know why we can't tour the world like he's in Japan places where they don't even have black people and Arnold is it that's very true if you speak to most actors they would tell you that that's the real sort of graft of the job that they don't necessarily look forward to you know but you know these days you're contracted to that the same way as you're contracted to to act in the flipping film i want three kids i look forward to it yeah okay yeah i know that i know that and i hear that the one thing i learned from it because the first time i've ever done it is that if the film is good that job is a hell
Starting point is 00:16:47 of a lot easier because there was some days where i wasn't even sure if i was saying the same thing twice to the same interview because you're doing like 10 15 in a row yeah and i just thought wow imagine if the film was shit like that must be so hard And that must happen every day to act. School the listeners. Like, so when Doc just said we do 10 to 15 interviews in a row, we're talking about literally, because people don't know this. We literally sit in the room and people coming back to back, don't they?
Starting point is 00:17:11 Yeah, yeah, yeah. The biggest break you'll get is when someone will go, do you want to need more water? Or if you need to go toilet. Yeah, and sometimes you don't have time for that. And here's the interesting thing. Most of these people come in and they go, you've probably heard this all day.
Starting point is 00:17:22 I've got a really original question, though. And they ask the same damn questions that we've been asked all day long. Am I lying? That's very, very true. And I think any time someone, just comes out of left field with a question, they get the best interview. And it really makes me laugh listening to interviews
Starting point is 00:17:38 or pre-records with other actors, other artists. And then when it comes back to the studio live, the host will say something along the lines of, oh, yeah, I think he was a bit jet lagged. He wasn't very responsive. And I'm thinking, I'm sat there listening at home, thinking, yeah, but your questions were so boring. He's been hearing the same shit all day.
Starting point is 00:17:55 I'm just breaking my chair. I was just trashed in the studio right now. But you know what I'm saying? I do. If you want to get the best out of an artist, then engage them. There's a film show on, I don't want to plug up, film shows, but there's a film show on Five Live, Simon Mayo and Mark Kermode. I quite like them, though.
Starting point is 00:18:10 And I take, well, they're big fans of you, man. I love them, actually. Mark, I'm going to. I mean, he bigs you up regular. When Simon's away, I take his place. The last time I was on it, I interviewed Ben Kingsley. So I was part of that junket, the other side, and I could see what the other interviewers are doing.
Starting point is 00:18:26 And I just thought, I'm just like, because the BBC was saying, this is what you should say, this is what you shouldn't say. And I was like, you know what, let me do it my way. I just feel like, I don't know the guy, but I feel like I can engage in. So number one, I'm not going to call him Sir Ben. I'm just going to chat to him. And they were like, ooh, I don't know. Did you go, yo, Benny?
Starting point is 00:18:42 B. You know what? Obviously, I bigged up his movie. I'd seen it. So I thought, you know what, it's actually, it's a decent movie, so I don't have to lie. So that's a good thing. So I big up the movie, got him on side. I did a bit of research on him.
Starting point is 00:18:56 I didn't realize he was of mixed parentage. You know, yes. So I said, you know what? Like, I've found, like, as an actor, having a mixture of cultures in my family, it's informed me on, like, it's given me, I don't want to say a universal voice, but it's made me open me up from a young age
Starting point is 00:19:12 to very different experiences, which I think has informed my skills as an actor. What do you think about that? Coming from a biracial background, you should have seen his eyes lit up. His eyes just lit up, and he was fully engaged. And then from that point on in the interview,
Starting point is 00:19:27 I swear down, He goes, the thing about you and I, then, the thing about people like us is we are social chameleons. Think about you and I. Yeah. Yeah. People like me, people like you. Yeah. I was like, oh, bro, no one's getting this interview today. Of course not. Of course not. Nobody. I'm very proud of it. But, you know, it just goes to show. Yeah. One small thing that's just sort of off, just out of left field, you're going to engage it.
Starting point is 00:19:51 Joanna does that and we often try to, we try to educate our young listeners. We're not young, but our listeners that a lot of them want to get in. into the business. If you ever become someone who's interviewing talent, always look for a different angle. Don't just go in with the same questions. Trying, you know, like Doc just said that he found a way to engage Ben Kingsley and probably got the best interview out of everyone.
Starting point is 00:20:10 And I think it's not just a cynical thing of just trying to get the best interview. That should be standard practice anyway. It's about just trying to be interested and understand that these people could have had 20 or 30 people. And also think genuinely about a conversation that you would be interested in. Yeah. Like if you think about
Starting point is 00:20:25 when you see your mates, you're not going to them the same stuff yeah jimine you're gonna want a fresh interesting conversation every time you see your mates so think about it like that packet of Chris Bill well you John just asked me that well I'm asking you again just not I find hiding alcohol in my underwear that always is a nice icebreaker for my interviews yeah I'm sure I don't have any right now she says we're going like airplane miniatures here yeah it's kind of like been my little thing when I do junkets if I'm interviewing celebrities I'll like we're out just to break the ice yeah just do something completely yeah that waycky that
Starting point is 00:21:02 that works yeah she's got that down you've been doing pretty well with that actually yeah been doing couple or do like fraudian slips or things like that okay because they're always like did she just just wake them up a bit yeah yeah yeah people they think i look quite you know nice and innocent and then i'll just like i went in my first ever interview was with marlon wayans for 50 shades of black and like i went in and was like hello hello and i thought he he was like great another you know interview and i was like so 50 shades of grey was good. Is black better?
Starting point is 00:21:31 And then he looked, he sort of like took it. And then went, I see what we're going. And they're like, oh, I didn't even if he just went off on a number level. We've had a lot of emails coming in and being like, oh my gosh, Noel and Doc together. This has been my dream. Oh, yeah. It's amazing. Can you guys work together?
Starting point is 00:21:46 Martha in Labra Grove. Yeah, Martha. We're just going to take a second. What kind of dream, Martha? What kind of dream? That's what I want to know. I bet you want to know. This is cards against humanity.
Starting point is 00:21:54 It's one of the best, like, pub games or anything. It's a game of wit. It's going to test your wit and see how funny you are Because you guys both write comedy So let's see who's funny I don't like comedy That's not how I would describe Nor Clarke.
Starting point is 00:22:07 But yeah I don't write comedy So it's white cards and black cards I'm going to go first round So normally the person who plays the black cards It's the first person who poop that day But we're going to forget that And I'm going to just
Starting point is 00:22:16 It's the actual rules of the game I don't play the shit in the way What am I supposed to do? So the point is that for example I will read a black card Which is normally a statement And on the white cards you have got funny answers.
Starting point is 00:22:29 Okay. So I'm going to read out a statement. We'll do a mock one, which is in the new Disney Channel original movie, Hannah Montana, struggles with blank for the first time. And you guys have got to look through your cards,
Starting point is 00:22:40 find what you think is the funniest filler. You heard it to me. Yeah, I read it out, and then whoever I think wins the funniest answer. I can look at these. I didn't realize I could look at all of them. Okay, great.
Starting point is 00:22:52 I'll pull out another black card. I've laid out mine. I've got 10 here. Okay. I'm laying them out now. But this is the first one, ready? Yes, yes. So instead of coal, Santa now gives the bad children blank.
Starting point is 00:23:04 I'd go for horse meat. Oh, I give it to you, do I? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then hand me yours. Instead of coal, Santa now gives the bad children horse meat. Or instead of coal, Santa now gives the children a middle-aged man on roller skate. That's easily that one. Okay. No, you win that worst round.
Starting point is 00:23:22 I thought I might have with that one. Okay. What's there a ton of in heaven? I'm liking this game It's so funny Okay so what's there a ton of in heaven Authentic Mexican cuisine What's hard to come by
Starting point is 00:23:38 What's there a ton of in heaven An erection that lasts for longer than four hours That's even harder to come back I think the erection is going to win that round You got a round each, well done, well done Okay awesome What helps Obama unwind What do you
Starting point is 00:23:55 Yeah I'm not This is kind of more political than it is funny. Okay. What helps Obama unwind? Sexy pillow fights. Okay, okay. What helps Obama unwind? Not giving a shit about the third world.
Starting point is 00:24:13 Political, see? Okay, no. No one wins that one with a little blow. It is easier. What gets better with age? Oh, man, this is disgusting. I'm laughing already. I don't even know what it is.
Starting point is 00:24:26 Okay. My one is technically. true actually. Oh, okay. Mine is 100% not true and anyone who agrees of it needs to see a doctor. What gets better with age? Child beauty pageants. That's dark, though.
Starting point is 00:24:42 It's dark but class. What gets better with age? Concealing a boner. It does. They're both true. It's not like the old days where you just get up halfway through your lesson in class and it's just there.
Starting point is 00:24:53 I used to be able to hang a wet beach towel on my shit and now. Now it just drops to the ground. I feel it. I know the, yeah. I bet you do. Seriously. What would grandma find disturbing yet oddly charming? Goblins.
Starting point is 00:25:07 Goblins. What would grandma find disturbing yet oddly charming? The clitoris. Yeah. I bet grandma's never found that. Depends when she was born. If she's born before 97, she's one of those hook grannies from now where she's like 37. Oh yeah, she knows what that.
Starting point is 00:25:23 When I first played this game, I played it with my younger brother, and we all played it and he got that. what's the clitoris? This is a problem. How old is your brother? He was about 17. This is a problem. You see, you young boys don't know where the details are.
Starting point is 00:25:35 The goods are? Yeah. You gotta research that. Old man like me can't take you a girl. I can't say that I knew when I was 17. Of course you did. Come on,
Starting point is 00:25:41 I can't say that I knew. I don't know. Yeah, man, I knew. My mom was a nurse. I'd be reading them anatomy books when she's at work. Nice. I had a book in my house
Starting point is 00:25:48 that was called The breast, but there was nothing about the clitoris in there. It was very scientific. Now, my mom, as soon as she's, I'm going to work, darling. All right, mom, bam, anatomy. But right.
Starting point is 00:25:58 Yeah, no, I was the same with the breast. Yeah. That's quite a shame that all you had was a little scientific. No, I also had the Littlewoods catalogue. Yes, I had the next catalogue. Yeah. The underwear section. Boom, oh my gosh.
Starting point is 00:26:08 There used to be this girl in there, and she had these pubes and you can see them through her pants and everything. I used to go and nuts, man. Such an innocent time when you think about it. I'm innocent. It was so innocent. The Littlewood's catalog. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:26:17 Early masturbation, yeah. Yeah. Tune in next week. Back row and chill. With No Clark. Johanna James on Cumbar Radio. We've got a full studio of co-host today.
Starting point is 00:26:29 I'm so happy, guys. We've got comic consultant in the studio. Do you guys want to say hi? Hey, guys. Let's go around the circle. It's a circle time. Who are we? Hey, it's Mike Olegia,
Starting point is 00:26:39 comic consultant on the mic. It's none other than y'all busier, one third of comic consultant. And shied a lot. The other third. Today, can I be an honorary member? Oh, yeah, you've been in the League of Consultants. Yes.
Starting point is 00:26:52 Of course, of course. Okay, great. Where can people find you? They can find us on Facebook. We've got a Facebook page called Comic Consultants. You can find us on Twitter and Instagram. It's at Comic Consult. Correct.
Starting point is 00:27:04 Okay. That's pretty much. Yeah. Michael, tell us what Comic Consultant is. Yeah, let them know. Well, basically, I'm the Comic Consultant. I'm your guide through the Comicverse. So you're like the guru.
Starting point is 00:27:16 So we can ask questions? Apparently so, yeah. What's the best comic? What's the best comic? It depends. It varies. At the moment, I recommend, Boom Studio. Mighty Wolf and Power Rangers.
Starting point is 00:27:26 We're loving the Power Rangers. And Sabian's Go Go Power Rangers from Beach Studios as well. That is a good run. That's where Lord Dracont is. Did most people look at comics online now, like digital comics? Or do you still get them in print? You can get them in print. There's various comic book stores.
Starting point is 00:27:39 I like paper. I like feeling the paper and smelling the paper. In Central London, there's about three comic book stores. There's Gosch Comics. There's Forbidden Planet. And also, last one, no means at least, Orbital Comics. In Camden, there's Mega City Comics. In Croydon, there is a place
Starting point is 00:27:54 space and Forbidden Planet Day as well. If you want to read it digitally, you can go to Comicsology or the particular Publishers app as well. Do you guys have a YouTube as well? We do, actually. We do, yeah, yeah, yeah. What's your favourite social media platform to make content for? Facebook. Facebook.
Starting point is 00:28:10 Yeah, for me right now it's Facebook. It started off as YouTube, but they went left, and it? I'm controversial like that, so I'll say it. They went left. Yeah, well, you guys are on to do SIS TV. Yeah, we can reach. Well, basically, yeah, favorite is Facebook slash Instagram. They can reach a small platforms, actually they can reach us on Facebook mainly and also conversive us in Twitter not Twitter
Starting point is 00:28:28 yeah Twitter too but also Instagram definitely Instagram as well okay so you guys are Facebookian Facebookers is that work you're trying to be like you maybe we're trying to reach a million yeah we're trying to reach a million like you I heard you got mad numbers so we're trying to hit that that's what I'm saying yeah I've got quite a few Facebook is a bit of a different one because it used to be the platform for getting lots of viral videos and now it is 10 times harder so absolute shout out to anyone who's still making content for Facebook or any kind of platform really because you've got to really have the passion in it
Starting point is 00:28:59 because the views aren't as easy to get now so yeah this is really cool that you guys are still like yeah yeah we've made the switch we've made the switch from red to blue yeah yeah and it's kind of funny because it's working out our content is more long form and I think that's where Facebook is going anyway
Starting point is 00:29:14 so we're kind of walking into the camera no it's me I'm the face of it I'm day behind the scenes I'm the person that's the face of it that has the knowledge, the know-how. I don't talk about comic box alone. I talk about TV shows, films that are comic-book credited, even anime as well.
Starting point is 00:29:31 Right. Well, I thought I would test you guys just really quickly. I've got a couple of Marvel theme tunes. Uh-oh. And I'm going to see if you can get them. So I'm going to play a few seconds from the theme tune. Okay. And then you guys...
Starting point is 00:29:42 So shout out. Good question, yeah? Okay, cool. Shout out if you think you know it. Okay. Here we go. That should be playing. Okay, here we go.
Starting point is 00:29:51 Ah. Yeah. Four and the rock. Yes, well done. You know, that's a real comic consort of me. Okay, well done. Well, right. Number two, it's coming up.
Starting point is 00:30:03 We've got to wait for the song to finish. That sounds like Avengers. No, no, no, no, no. Iron Man. It is! Oh, it's Iron Man! Oh, you're on fire right now. Oh, my gosh.
Starting point is 00:30:20 Let them know what you want. Okay, okay. Right, we got to wrap it up, but can you get the third and final theme tune? You're going to be free for free, Michael. I believe me. you know the true atman
Starting point is 00:30:37 yes born by you oh thanks you out any time you know you know what that is oh guys I wish I literally had 24 of those
Starting point is 00:30:48 so you guys have actually got out of having to go through 24 but guys it's been great thank you so much for coming on the show thank you
Starting point is 00:30:55 and grow and chill with Noel Clark and Johanna James on film bar radio boom we're back in the room double guests twins twins
Starting point is 00:31:04 You're our first twins on the show. Yeah. That's amazing. Well, usually it would be my fantasy. They're very good. Not my type, guys. But good looking, nonetheless. Totally is my type, my fantasy.
Starting point is 00:31:16 Okay. It's great to be here. Thank you. Welcome to the show. Thanks for coming, bro. I want to introduce yourself to our listeners because you're both actors and you've both been in things like picky blinders.
Starting point is 00:31:25 Yes. And you've got a new film that you're promoting. Yeah, so I'm Matthew Posterthwa. I play Remus in the White King that comes out tonight. And I'm Jeffrey Pustathway. I play Rumulus. For Inza. For anyone who doesn't know what that is about,
Starting point is 00:31:36 if you want to just pitch the film. It's kind of like a dystopia, futuristic, really gritty drama, very drama-heavy, which is perfect. So it's based on a Hungarian novel, is that right? Yes, it is. We actually filmed it in Budapest as well. Yes. Is this a famous Hungarian novel?
Starting point is 00:31:51 Is this like well-known? It is. It's been loads of award in his country, then there was a transcript which got translated into English. Then it landed on... It was like 20 different languages. It's in at the moment. And it landed on the top of these directors.
Starting point is 00:32:03 Table-it this husband and wife duo They both directed it Which is really interesting in Yorov and Alex Yorg actually stayed more behind the camera Alex was with the actors So it was interesting to the dynamic Yeah Then they turned it into a screenplay
Starting point is 00:32:18 Then we shot it in Hungary, Budapest, yeah We were actually in Budapest for three weeks it was Wasn't it? We were yeah The whole film was about three months No no I think it was a bit less than that Yeah maybe two months let's say two months That's like bad though like Three weeks have you guys ever been to Buda house before?
Starting point is 00:32:33 No And actually when we got there, we had three days away, we could just explore the city. That's rare. I went to all the baths. Yeah, it was amazing. They're on a lot. So it's Alex, Helfrick, and Georg Titel.
Starting point is 00:32:43 Correct. Husband and wife, eh? Yeah, husband and wife, duo. Okay. Was that a bit like sort of having, you know, how you play parents off the other? Be like, well, she said. If you ever just do your own thing,
Starting point is 00:32:54 like your own performance, and then be like, well, yeah. Jorg said, I can do what the fuck I want. Right, yeah, no, we should have utilised it more. But it was interesting to see their dynamic and our dynamics. as well because this was the first that we've done together so it was interesting
Starting point is 00:33:07 to go back to our routes and play twins again. Where are you guys from? The Lake District originally but we've been living in LA for about three or four years kind of on and off. Same with our working papers we've been doing that recently as well. But you've adopted the actor. I have no but I was talking to my friend
Starting point is 00:33:23 in America and as soon as people American I'm like... You just switch back you're kind of a bit more chill. Yeah I'm from the north of England so I'm kind of like... Yeah, great, great. So who got into acting first? Has one sort of got in and brought the other?
Starting point is 00:33:38 Did you both go in together? It was actually me that got in first, Matthew. Just to specify, it was Matthew. Matthew's like the rock now. Matthew's like the rock now. The Rock, sirs. It was me, Matthew, the girl. I ended up doing a commercial.
Starting point is 00:33:52 I was at university. We were studying business studies. Oh, wow. So quite late, eh? Yeah, it really was, yeah. We always wanted to be actors, but coming from the Lake District of Cumbria, there wasn't that many avenues.
Starting point is 00:34:02 but then like it plays and stuff, which we did a few. But then we quickly moved over as soon as we went to you. So you guys are what, 20 what now? 25. So you've only been doing this, what, like three years, maybe four years? Oh, like seven, eight. Hold on, he said university, though. Yeah, 18.
Starting point is 00:34:17 I was 18, 18, yeah, I guess, yeah. I was 18, 18, wow. Seven years. Wow, that's amazing. Yeah. That's amazing. You guys have done so well, huh? Yeah, that's really proud.
Starting point is 00:34:26 How's his mom and dad from the Lake District. How they, they must be well. They love it. They're actually down tonight. They're not getting into acting, too, are they? Whole family. Well, my mom actually, and she watched it, and she's like, I can do that.
Starting point is 00:34:37 It's funny when we always have a script as well, and we're not rehearsing with each of her. She's like, I'll rehearse with you. So she goes to read the lines, and she's like, terrible. The castle on the hill. She goes for it. She really goes for it. That's good, though. And your characters in the films are in the White King,
Starting point is 00:34:54 obviously your brothers, I'm assuming you're close, I don't know, but your brother's, in the film are your characters, I'm assuming, are twin brothers too. Are they always together or is there a sort of separation thing? Without giving too much of it worth. Actually, no in the film they're always together, aren't they? Yeah. They are kind of these bad characters. We always seem to play bad characters for some reason.
Starting point is 00:35:13 Bad is not bad character, but bad is like evil guys. It's so different to who we are as people. I think that's... Yeah, that's what they all say. We're not really super villains. No, that's what they were saying. That's what they were saying, man. How did Peeky Blinders come about?
Starting point is 00:35:26 I was in final year of university this time when we first got catching there. Yeah, Peaky Blinders is set on an actual. actual story and most of the characters are real. There was actually twins, Nipper and Henry, in the actual Piki Blinders gang so they needed twins to be cast. So I remember when we went for the audition, it was Otto Bathenhurst that was there. He actually won the back for it.
Starting point is 00:35:45 Yeah, we literally, our first audition was with the director and producers into this room. To be fair, we're still quite new to the industry. So we just went in, oh, this is how it normally is. Somewhere different. But yeah, from there we got cast. It was such an incredible experience, it really was. I can imagine. Great, great show. You guys must have absolutely loved it.
Starting point is 00:36:04 Yeah, like Killian Murphy and Helen McCory just to be around. Of course, yeah. It's just incredible. We learned a lot from that show. You can only ever learn, though, with those guys, eh? Yeah. It's just amazing experience, yeah. I know Helen McCory as well. Helen McCoy is phenomenal.
Starting point is 00:36:18 She's in 4321. Oh, really? She's in my film, 4321. I directed. She plays Emma Roberts' mother. Oh, yeah. Nice. There you go. Connected. Oh, yeah, everyone, it gets smaller and smaller.
Starting point is 00:36:30 Yeah, it does, right. That's awesome. What's next for you guys? You fly back out to LA. Pilot season, that whole crazy fun thing. He's actually flying about 20 hours after me. What was the reason for that? We just didn't end up...
Starting point is 00:36:42 We talked about loads of things, but we just know. Yeah, well, you've got the twin thing? We talk about work, but we don't talk about how we're trapped in. Do you guys live together in Illinois? No, we don't. No, we don't. Okay, interesting. Yeah, no.
Starting point is 00:36:52 Okay, that's... Too much. Independent twins, that's cool. Yeah. You guys are doing so well, so I don't want to give you any old man patronising. Yeah. One thing I've learned is, always create because you know sitting there waiting for the phone to ring you never know
Starting point is 00:37:04 what's going to happen and had i not created my own stuff we wouldn't have the greatest british trilogy of all time there you go one of the only british trilogy but you get my point yeah you know it's always create and do your own thing man it's important are you related to the great Pete Possible we are distantly it's been asked a lot in interviews yeah because it's such an unusual name yeah no no no no father my dad has told us how we're related i'm still waiting for the family I think he definitely runs in the blood somewhere. Yeah, because the name is it during. Have you met him?
Starting point is 00:37:35 I didn't meet him, my father met him, though. Yeah, we know your dad has met him, yeah. I wish I'd get a chance to meet him. Well, thank you so much for being, like, the first official twins. Twins ever. Thank you very much for having you. You should see the next ones I'm in by us. You guys might want to come back here.
Starting point is 00:37:48 Yeah, we'll be back. Twins on Twins. Back row and chill with No clock and Janada Dames on TV Bar radio. Percy, are you with us? You! Thank you for coming on the show. That's cool, man. Thanks for having me. Now, for people who don't know who you are, you are an actor,
Starting point is 00:38:07 and also one half of the Waller Comedy Empire. Let's say empire now, because it's more than just a Facebook page. It is an empire. Thank you. Yeah, we're trying. We're trying. Which is crazy. And while you guys are always, you're busy, you're always in and out of the country doing everything. I'm kind of hard to place where you are most of the time.
Starting point is 00:38:24 Run me through what you've been up to, because this year is going to be so big for you. Oh, mate. Where do I start? So currently I've just finished doing a series on Netflix and that is called The Innocence. Okay, that's good. So the Innocence, what is that about? Wow.
Starting point is 00:38:40 Okay, so The Innocence, it's about June's character. So June and Harry and they are together, they're teenagers, they live in Yorkshire, and they run away from their oppressive families to be together. So they run away to London. Romeo and Juliet. And a bit like Roman and Juliet. and they're derailed by like an extraordinary discovery that June has the ability to shape-shift.
Starting point is 00:39:04 And so these two lovers, they struggle to keep the innocent dream alive. And then we've got like a mysterious professor who promises to cure June and reunite her with her with a mom. And then Harry is going through his past experiences with his family and his dad. So ultimately it's a story about family, it's about love. And on top of all of that, we've got this ability to shape-shift, which is a curse. They can't actually control how to shape shift, stuck in someone's body.
Starting point is 00:39:31 You play Harry, obviously, like the lead guy. I play Harry. The lead guy. And so it's set in London, but where did you shoot it? Did you shoot it in London in Yorkshire? Well, yeah, I mean, we did it in Yorkshire. So I was in Yorkshire for like, say, a couple of months. I think maybe about three.
Starting point is 00:39:44 And then we were in Norway for a long period of time. Cold, right? Cold, right? Yeah, yeah, I got to see the lights and stuff, the northern lights and just spent some time there. And then we was in my hometown, London, which was quite cool, because certain locations I was like, hang in a minute, I've been here before. Oh, yeah, it was that night out I went on. And now I'm filming here for a Netflix show.
Starting point is 00:40:06 Oh my God. Pinch me, pinch me, babe. So what was the audition process like? Because what you are doing is really inspirational because you are one of very few people who have managed to go from the internet to like Hollywood. You're like bridging that gap, which is amazing because you're like cranking open the door and that's kind of the hope of that's a dream of everybody who does stuff on the internet. they're like, what if we could.
Starting point is 00:40:29 So you're like one of the first ones through. Amazing. So what was it like auditioning? It was a really tough experience. I can't lie to you. You know, like even to any actors who are listening, like I went through 10 auditions. And it was over a timeframe of, say, like, three, four months, maybe. So you know that feeling you get?
Starting point is 00:40:49 You know when you're auditioning? And you're like, okay, cool, this is the one. I just nailed that audition. And then to know that there's another one and another one. And so if anything, like, I just took everything with pinch of salt and I just went into each room and I just said to myself, you know what? Let me just do what I can do. Yeah, and that's it really. And just, yeah, keep my head up.
Starting point is 00:41:09 And fortunately enough, fingers crossed, fingers and toes crossed, I got the role. So that was amazing. Plus, obviously, working, you know, the wall of comedy and doing what we're doing there. It's nice to kind of merge the two worlds together in terms of, you know, being a social platform and running that, producing. content and then now I'm like working with Netflix which also are doing what we want to do so it's also nice to be in the Netflix engine and family and just kind of like get to see what the secrets are yeah oh my gosh you can tell us the secrets of the Netflix maybe you can tell me off there yeah just like totally link me up with that where where you were you when you found out you got the
Starting point is 00:41:46 role because that's always like a bit of a life-changing moment do you remember that was you like on the toilet or like what were you doing I wish I was in toilet now I mean that'll be that'll be a better story. So I went to a rehearsed reading for a different show. Yeah. So I went there and in back in my head, I was like, okay, anytime seeing I'm going to hear back from Netflix. We do the, you know, the first act of this rehearsed reading and then I get a call for my agent and I'm like, okay, so we have a break in the rehearse reading and I pick up a phone, speak to my agent. And it's that moment that they tell you the news and your heart's just beating out of your chest and you can't contain yourself. And I was literally in the corner of this room with like 30 other people
Starting point is 00:42:23 watching me going crazy and then I had to like calm myself down and get composure and get back to my seat and just continue that rehearsed reading but i just remember calling my mom as soon as i left that venue and calling yeah my friends and family who were supporting me and just yeah like going we did it we made it got the role mom i've made it i'm on netflix that's mental and so with like the wall of comedy so if anyone's listening you want to check out like what is that and so it started off with mandam on the wall and you were doing like was it YouTube sketches actually first we would look at them like episodes so we actually were trying to do a TV show but just on YouTube because we were doing that because we felt as though there
Starting point is 00:43:04 weren't enough TV shows that had the references that we wanted to see yeah so we just thought you know what let's just make it ourselves we got a camera got some dodgy sound and just made it happen but you guys are actually so ahead of your time because now a few years later the internet is turning towards episodic content platforms are wanting people to make episodes of characters and things. So you guys were like way ahead of the game. It's more like a cycle thing. I feel like it's like a full circle because even before us,
Starting point is 00:43:33 we had like guys called Shabrak and the Mandem. There was Jazzy, Humza, A-Sweezy. So all of these guys that were doing content before us, they were already kind of setting that blueprint. And if anything, I feel like we've gone to that place where with content, it was like bite-sized like a minute to two minutes. And now audiences want to see like longer form. So if anything,
Starting point is 00:43:51 It's just about, I guess, adapting with the times and just trying to, like, basically evolve of what's going on. And hopefully, you know, people keep enjoying what we do. For sure. So that's what you've done. This is what you're doing. What in the future is like, can you give us any kind of little insights into what you're up to or what you're doing for? What's going on in the industry? All the secrets.
Starting point is 00:44:13 I can tell you more about the world of comedy. And we're just looking to keep pushing the platform. You know, our biggest dream was to create a network. a network in which would employ talent in front of the camera and behind the camera. And we're going to continue to do that. We're going to continue to try and be a revolution within the whole TV and, you know, film department. So we're going to keep creating content.
Starting point is 00:44:32 We're going to build our own platform in which maybe people can subscribe to. And you basically model around Netflix. And we've got content that we're going to make in America now. So we've got some stuff set over there. We want to work with more talent and just basically amplify everything we're doing currently and to take it to a bigger level. And then with acting, as well as the Netflix project I've got going on, we did this thing called Sharo Story, which is on YouTube,
Starting point is 00:44:58 and we did part one of this, which is like a musically narrated short film, which did, I think, maybe about two million hits within a week. And that was on YouTube, isn't it? Yeah, that's a huge. Because that's hard. Did you get a million hits on YouTube? That's like, whoa.
Starting point is 00:45:12 Yo, we was like, this is, yeah, that was incredible. So we're looking to do part two shooting it very soon, So hopefully, you know, we can kind of get the same results there. But we're just going to keep creating. We're just going to have fun and keep creating. I love it. I just want to just also shout out again, because we've got people who are listening to the show who maybe want to get involved.
Starting point is 00:45:29 And one thing that you guys do at Waller Comedy really well is that you get people involved. So your chat nights, what's it called chit chat? Yeah, yes, yes. Yeah, you have nights where you get people who want to be, who are interested in the industry or already work in the industry and it's like genuine networking. Exactly. Yeah, I guess like the big thing with us is that ultimately, end of the day we would like to create like the solution to the problem so if we can create a night
Starting point is 00:45:52 called chit chat in which we can invite down people in front of the camera behind the camera and just basically help facilitate people meet and hopefully people can work together so we do that once a month down at our office or at a venue within shortage or old street and just yeah like we just have fun with it and get some which is really cool we get people to come and we interview people who have been in industry. And in fact, I need to get you down to the next one. Oh, thank you. I'm going to make that happen. I was for sure. I came down to one of the last ones and it was so good. I met some people that I, because they were some creators who were actually based in Birmingham, like
Starting point is 00:46:28 Sightman and T1 official and like we connected that. We're like, we should make some content together. So we've been working on content. And I would never probably cross past of them if it wasn't for your event. So I'm like, yeah. So people can go and check out wall of comedy and like Instagram and Facebook and they can find out where all these things are and get involved. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Get involved. Check on that. at the wall of comedy Facebook the wall of comedy find any of the like latest of what we're doing all the stuff that's going out oh well percy thank you so much for speaking with us and the innocence on Netflix thank you thank you
Starting point is 00:46:58 thank you to roll and chill with no Clark and Johanna James on Fibar radio welcome we've got our next guest in the studio hello so welcome welcome welcome I don't want to miss pronounce your last name but it's a juror I want to go on a show on Noshalais. Annochalet. I've got a name, people mispronounce my name. What's your name? Johanna James.
Starting point is 00:47:20 People are like, ah, Yahana? Yeah. So, hold on. So pronounce it for whatever again for me? Adira or notchalais. Adieu, a noxel. Woo! That's a queen's name, right?
Starting point is 00:47:29 I know, man. You know what I mean? That's a queen's name. I'm not even blame. That's a queen's name. I'm about to leave my missus out here. The power of a name. All right.
Starting point is 00:47:39 So, tell us about yourself, eh? So I'm here because I've got a show on that I wrote and directed some theater. Some theater, darling, as part of Africa Utopia at the South Bank Center. And it's called Expensive Shit. And it's about toilet attendants. Wow. The name is to do with the actual piece, but also it's based in two toilets.
Starting point is 00:47:58 One in the Shrine Nightclub in Lagos. Shrine Night Club was Felakuti's Club when he was alive. Felakuti, yeah. And the second set of toilet is in a club called the Shimmy in Glasgow, where a story broke in 2013 about a two-way mirror in the girls' toilets and men could pay to go and sit in a room £800 per night
Starting point is 00:48:19 sit in a room and watch the girls' toilets without a girls knowing so all I've done That's real? Yeah it's real It's real. Where is this? That's terrible! Give me the address to this place so I can complain about this This is awful, just text me to the postcode
Starting point is 00:48:36 Ani we've got to go down there and stop this is nonsense right? We've got to go and tell them to stop So is it the same character that goes from Nigeria? Yeah, so she's... Yeah, basically. She's an older woman in Glasgow and she's a toilet attendant,
Starting point is 00:48:49 but her past is as a wannabe dancer in Felakuti's band in the 90s in Nigeria. This is the true story? Well, it's based on true facts, but, you know, I've gone... Creative license, yes, yes. And you wrote it yourself?
Starting point is 00:49:04 Yeah, I did. And you're starring it? No, I've got four actresses, yeah, four, it's a forehander. Okay. Yeah, so they all dance, switch accents, switch... locations. I have a question for you.
Starting point is 00:49:15 This sounds amazing and I would love to see it. I have a question for you though. As a black woman, writing and directing, has it been a challenge to get to where you've got? Do you look at people at Amar Asante and kind of go, man, that's kind of my inspiration or... You've got to make your own work? Yeah. Because nobody's going to give it to you. That's what I'm talking about. You know what I mean? That's the reality.
Starting point is 00:49:32 I was first an actress and, you know, I thought I was all right, but I just wasn't getting the parts. I knew that if I wanted to create my own work, I had to go for it. Yeah. So, yeah, that's what I did. That's amazing. You hear that guys. You've just got to go for it. You've just got to go for it.
Starting point is 00:49:47 You can't wait for people to... Just writing and stuff. Yeah, write it. I was scared to write. Arnold's like laying off gas in the corner over there. It's like I'm saying, congratulations. He's nervous. He did the presence of the queen.
Starting point is 00:50:01 Yeah, I'm nervous, man. The queen is it? But she says the name of the game. Right, Iris? Sorry, I'm nervous. That's great. So you wrote, yeah, because I used to be so scared of writing because I thought being a writer was some sort of like far off high.
Starting point is 00:50:17 But then I was like, no, I've got some ideas. I've got some stories and I did. And I'm just going to scribble that down, scribble that down. So how did you start going? Did anyone encourage your writing? I think Schmarshmark did. Oh, right. Okay, sorry. That's good, because I think that's part of it as well,
Starting point is 00:50:29 as having people around you can help you and inspire you and support you as you as you're writing. But I think theatre needs different voices. So it's not about getting it right. There's no right way of writing. It's just a voice. And every voice is original to just put it on paper. Absolutely. Absolutely.
Starting point is 00:50:43 And how long is the show? It's 55 minutes, crammed, 55 minutes. And I don't like to bore audiences, so it's, yeah, there's a lot going on. And the whole point of the festival is to celebrate the fact that Africa can lead the way in terms of, like, technology, gender, art, film, all these things. Because, you know, Africa gets a bad press, generally. And so it's just highlighting all the different things that the continent leads on. So there's lots of arts exhibition, there's dance, there's music,
Starting point is 00:51:12 the Cape Town Opera is there, their fashion shows. It's really exciting. Previously to this show, is this like your debut show or if you have? I wrote another show, actually, about a woman called Henrietta Lax. You heard this story. The first cells to be kept alive outside the body were from a black woman in Baltimore, except nobody asked her. A hundred years ago.
Starting point is 00:51:31 Exactly. And her family found out in the 1990s, by which point her cells were in 90% of labs in the world, they'd been bought and sold and sold and bought and sold. The birth of the pharmaceutical industry was based on her cells. the woman didn't know and her family didn't know. So I read this brilliant book called The Immortal Life of Henry Atalax, which you can get. And I was just furious, man. Furious that I didn't know about this woman.
Starting point is 00:51:54 Who's affected all our lives. If you've taken a pill stronger than an aspirin, you owe it to her. Because of the fact of her cells survived. Yeah, and also they tested all sorts of things on herself because they were the first human cells that you could test stuff on. That's amazing. So Oprah's doing a film. That's what I was going to say. Are you writing the film script or anything like that?
Starting point is 00:52:11 Wouldn't that be great? Have they worked out why her cells survive? Well, I think it's because they were cancerous cells, right? But nobody really knows. And that's why her family thinks there's like spiritual dimension to it. Like that she was pissed off with the way that they treated her. Yeah. Because it was during Jim Crowe and she would have gone into a colored hospital
Starting point is 00:52:31 and all that kind of speech marks uncolored, right? And so they feel like it's her cells kind of going, I'm going to, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, if I can have the memorial cells, I'll have some of them sort of, you know? Yeah, more of a cell pill. That's amazing.
Starting point is 00:52:44 Well, that's an amazing story. Obviously, it would be interesting. Hopefully they don't Americanize the story too much. Yeah, that's the thing, isn't it? Hollywood it too much. Yeah, yeah. And would you ever think about a film of your show or a TV show? Actually, I have been approached, and it's interesting,
Starting point is 00:52:59 because I don't know how sexy toilet attendants are. I know, I know a few that are not bad, you know? Well, that are sexy? Yeah, yeah, not bad, you know? I've seen a few uncles in a lot. Strong women. It's funny because, like, male toilet attendants tend to be, you. younger than female ones.
Starting point is 00:53:14 Yeah. Not that I've seen that many, and I'm hung around in boys' toilets. Now you know that. But when I see them, they seem to be younger to me. They seem to be like you can get guys like in their 20s, early 30s, right? But then women are generally like late 40s. That's because you guys are smart enough and you've had your career and then you're chilling and like, I'll be a toilet tent.
Starting point is 00:53:34 And the young guys are whatless and they're like, you know what? The guys, they look older, so I don't know if it's the toilet smell aging them. Oh, man. Can you think of a worst job? I can't think of a worse job. I would think of a few worse jobs in that. Really? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:53:46 What? I don't know. A shit shoveler. Yeah, okay. Although they do have to do some of that. I don't know. I think there's separate teens that come in. And the attendance are the ones that spray you with the team, give you the towel.
Starting point is 00:53:59 You know what? I didn't realize. They don't get paid. What? No, they take the tips. They live purely for the eight hours during the club. They just get tips. They just get tips.
Starting point is 00:54:08 No. What they started doing is they get paid as cleaners in the dead. and then they just stay through the night. I didn't know that. Yeah, it's all on tips. But that's, it's such a, it's a cool subject because everyone's been to the toilet within a, like everyone knows.
Starting point is 00:54:22 I've never been to the toilet. I've never been to the toilet. Everyone's been to the night. And everyone's met, and attendee, they've all got a attendee's story or like, you know, especially when you get a really nice one. You know, you're just like, I really need a story.
Starting point is 00:54:36 Like, you know what I mean? Yeah, man. Yeah, they got eight in the girls one, mate. One time I needed one. It's like a boot in there. Listen, that's a long story that I won't even go into, but... No, I mean.
Starting point is 00:54:48 Back row and chill with Mel Clark and Johanna James on Subbar Radio. This is Max Castella. Yeah, I'm right here. Yay! Hi! When I was in the Lion King,
Starting point is 00:54:59 which I was in the original company. Oh, wow. And I played Timoan, and I have the Tumone Puppet on. Everyone's miced up. And puppet broke in the middle of my singing Hakuna Matata. Oh, my God.
Starting point is 00:55:11 No. And it was in the middle of a matinee with a bunch of children. Oh, no. And it was hurting me so bad. I finally made it through the number I got off stage. And before they could turn my mic down, I just said, get this fucking thing off.
Starting point is 00:55:26 It went out to the entire audience. All the kids. Oh, my God, you've learned the backstory. Yeah. They still talk about that one. I think it's even better because it's like a Disney play. That made the story even better. with Noel Clark and Joanna James on Fulbar Radio.
Starting point is 00:55:47 That was a soundbite from the new documentary, Who's Gonna Love Me Now? And we have the co-director and producer of that documentary in the studio, Alexander Bodin Safir. That's how you pronounce? Oh, yes. I just say with confidence something and hope it's right.
Starting point is 00:56:01 I just go, hey, man. Hey, hey, dude. I'm just like, yo, bro. I mean, this is powerful stuff. Let me just say something to the listeners, because obviously our show probably has a certain demographic that may think, oh, man, documentary, oh, gay people and all that.
Starting point is 00:56:13 And let's not lie, that's kind of the demographic of this show. You know, I think people that do listen to this show that hopefully I and Jahan have educated, you know, these are things you need to watch. These are things you have to go and see, you know, to educate yourself about the world and about life and about what people go through. So, you know, I'm going to hand over to you for you to say more. But I just want you guys to, you know, take things seriously. You know, we put things on this show so that, you know, everyone emails in and says,
Starting point is 00:56:36 I want to get into film, I want to do this. You're understanding that there's many complexities and many things in film and documentary and life. and this is why you're here to learn. Over to you. And actually, you know what? I mean, oh, gay films, oh documentary. That was me not so long ago. And I swore I'd never make a documentary film.
Starting point is 00:56:52 I never anticipated I'd make anything to... Tell us what it's about. Yeah, just the promise of... Yeah, tell us what it's about for the listeners before and then tell us that story there because I think I really want them to understand what this is about. It's about life. It's about the pursuit of finding a family and finding a home.
Starting point is 00:57:06 It's about an Israeli man who's gay and HIV positive and is thrown out from his... family because of his sexuality and he comes to London and he discovers a life that he never knew existed and he joins the London gay men's chorus and if you're gonna find a family that's gonna accept you there is no better family from the gay men's chorus and then the universe through McCurball as the universe sometimes does and the opportunity to reconcile with a family that he really thought he would never see again and our film is five years following that kind of reconciliation
Starting point is 00:57:35 process or not reconciliation you know you talk about gay film you talk about documentary this for me is not a gay film this is a film this is a film This is a story. No 100%. I'm just talking from the way some of our listeners would respond. I'm a straight man who fell in love with this story. I didn't expect to that at all.
Starting point is 00:57:53 What happened was, some friends of mine said, look, we want some help making a film. We've got this guy, we want you to meet him, we want you to do a bit of filming just a couple of days. And I said, I'm working on a future film, I'm writing something, I don't have time. And it's, look, half an hour for a drink. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:58:08 And when you see this film, you'll understand that half an hour was Sa, the lead character, turned into three hours. I didn't want to leave. He had to throw me out. And it's just because he's captivating. And his story is just so engrossing. And it's not a gay story.
Starting point is 00:58:23 I mean, it has gay elements. I mean, it is a universal story about family, about belonging. And something I think that everybody can relate to. It's one of the reasons why the BFI became involved. Yeah, it's about family essentially. And regardless of who or what you are, you know, it's about how your family can react to your choices and your lifestyle. It's very interesting, especially as it's bright.
Starting point is 00:58:41 I was really surprised by his brother. Listen, I mean, that family is phenomenal. And the other thing that I think is really important is dialogue and communication. And that's something that, you know, these guys have all got very, very different perspectives on life. And they don't always agree, but the fact that they can talk, the fact that they can actually have these conversations, and put their points across and listen to each other. And it's not just waiting to talk, it's actually really listening to each other. But that took a moment in itself, you know, there was, you know, there were moments in there when he says, you know, you didn't even know I was sick.
Starting point is 00:59:11 and then says, I didn't even want to tell you because you don't listen. In the span of time, those conversations start happening, you know, where the brother and the wife come and say, look, we need to tell you something and you think, okay, well, that's progress. Because before you weren't saying anything. You were just talking at him, angrily, whenever he turned up. And that's five years worth of journey, condense into 84 minutes. You filmed over five years?
Starting point is 00:59:32 Yeah. Wow. That's why I love documentaries. Yeah. That's a dying art. That long-form documentary is something that doesn't happen. So often because the funding's not there for it. That's right.
Starting point is 00:59:40 So guys, that is who's going to love me now. Make sure you guys see it is very, very powerful. It is an amazing story, and I loved it, and you will love it. And there's some good music, too. Back row and chill with Noel Clark and Joanna James on TV Bar Radio.

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