Bad Dates with Jameela Jamil - Speed Dates: You Gotta Have A Carrot (w/ Jordan Carlos)

Episode Date: January 26, 2026

On an all-new Speed Date episode, host Joel Kim Booster is joined by the hilarious and thoughtful Jordan Carlos (The Nightly Show, Everything’s Trash, Adulting with Michelle Buteau) to discuss Jordan meeting his wife over The Civil War, learning ALL the love languages, and the theory behind Jordan’s new book Choreplay: The Marriage-Saving Magic of Getting Your Head Out of Your Ass. He’ll also give Joel some tips for success ahead of his forthcoming nuptials, and of course we get Jordan’s answers to our classic Speed Date questions, leading to talk about LARPing romance and the great Rob Reiner. Catch Bad Dates live at SF Sketchfest, Sunday February 1st! Subscribe to our YouTube Channel for full episodes. Merch available at SiriusXMStore.com/BadDates. Joel Kim Booster: Psychosexual, Fire Island, Loot Season 3Jordan Carlos: Adulting with Michelle Buteau and Jordan Carlos Subscribe to SiriusXM Podcasts+ to listen to new episodes of Bad Dates ad-free. Start a free trial now on Apple Podcasts or by visiting siriusxm.com/podcastsplus. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Bad dates. Speed dates. Hello, hello, hello, and welcome to another edition of Bad Dates, the Speed Date edition. For those of you who are just joining us for the very first time, you might not realize this, but a speed date is not a regular episode of the podcast. Normally on the podcast, I have a panel of three esteemed guests who talk about their dating traumas for your enjoyment, but the speed dates are a little bit different. We slow things down, which is, I know,

sort of an sort of opposite of what you think a speed date would be. But we slow things down, we sit one-on-one, and we chat about whatever the hell we want, not just relationship stuff. But today's guests, we might be jumping into some relationship stuff anyways because of the nature of a book that they wrote. I cannot wait to get into it with him. Joining me today is a comedian, writer, an actor who you've seen in shows like The Nightly Show, everything's trash, the Colbert Report, and First Wides Club.

He co-hosts the podcast, Adulting, with his friend and ours, Michelle Boo. And his new book, Chorplay, The Marriage Saving Magic of Getting Your Head Out of Your Ass, will be out in February. Guys, it's Jordan Carlos. Wow, what a send up. Thank you so much, Joel. I appreciate that. I am so excited to have you today, Jordan. This is a really exciting time for me to be interviewing somebody who is a marriage expert.

And I say you're a marriage expert because you wrote a book about it. So you have to be an expert. And you can't argue with me. Otherwise, that would be terrible promo for your book. Stand by. I am I like to say I'm like a veteran. I'm a veteran in the in the cause and I've been at it for 18 years now. So I think I'm going to get a contract extension for 19th year. I'm really excited about that. And yeah, I think I think it's more just like being a wily veteran than being an expert. You know what I'm saying? Like an expert is it's like, yo,

I hope this goes well for you. But like a veteran, you know, I don't know. I can tell you I don't know, man. Going on 19 years, that sounds pretty expert level to me. You're not playing on easy mode in 19 years in. You're intermediate advanced for sure. Yeah, our marriage could run for Congress. You're right. It's that old. It's old enough for that. It's old enough for that. Yeah, for sure. Amazing. So before we get into the book, I mean, just very quickly, I know we've talked about this before, but give the listeners a little bit of background on you and your marriage. You've been married almost 19 years. now. Talk a little bit about the genesis of that relationship and a little bit about why you wanted to write a book about. Absolutely. First and foremost, I always punch way above my weight. And my wife is like, she's a PhD and she, Sumicumlai from Smith and all the things. And she often gets like mistaken for Naomi Watts. So. Oh. And yeah. And then and then like, Hi, I'm there too. He's lying, guys, if you're watching the video component of the show, you know that's a falsehood.

I have a good chin. I have a good chin. All right. So, a strong chin. All right. So that's all. That's all I'll give myself. So I met my wife on 4th Avenue and 13th Street in New York City at a club when you could do that.

And, yeah, through friends of friends. And we got to talking. She was behind me. And, like, I heard somebody talking about, like, U.S. history. And I was like, the Civil War. And then I turned around and like started talking to her. And I was like, this is working. And then so basically from there, we had a wonderful conversation

in the middle of this nightclub. And like, I was too scared to say like, you know, can I have your number? But like I, and Joel, this is where it gets like mad creepy. But this is like, this was in the 1900s or right after. I came back to the club like every weekend until she showed back up. Oh.

And then my God, that's so cute. Thank you, Joel. I was so worried. You're like, creep. No, that is way more charming than like internet stalking somebody on Instagram, which is I think how the kids are doing it these days. That's how they're doing it for sure, going through all the data. So then I invited here to a show, to find her to a stand-up show.

And then she showed up with a guy. And I was like, oh, man. And then all my friends, all the homies were like, you just got to go and just. do your thing and just rip, you know? And she was front row with this person. And so I had a good show. And then after I was like, thank you so much for coming. And then that guy turned out to be her brother.

So then like, it was like, okay. It was okay. It was okay. So our marriage has been one of like, I'm just really enamored with her, her amazing, like, her intelligence. And all that she does. And she found her to school in Brooklyn and all these wonderful things. And so our marriage is. has been one of just like a lot of a lot of laughs and a lot of like a lot of discussion and debate

and that's how we've kind of like lasted all these years. It's definitely been the spark. We both love history and we both have the exact same musical taste, which is insane. And I think that those are like, that's the cornerstone for our relationship. And she's also in ways like she's, she's a neat freak and I'm not. Right. And I think that was cute when I was 20, but what's cute in your 20s, it's not always cute in your 40s. Sweet days. Sweet days. Let's get into Chorplay a little bit now, since we were talking a little bit about the

differences in your cleanliness habits. Chorplay, where did you get the idea for this specifically? And what is Choreplay? Chorplay is, to me, like, a way or an operating system, right? It's a way to do yourself a favor and stop trying to have your mate or person. I'm writing this from the point of view of a straight dude. So there's a lot of mothering involved. Right.

So it's basically to un-attach yourself from that matrix and create a standard of cleanliness, a standard of organization for yourself, right? And not to get mad or excuse me, not to clean so that your partner doesn't get mad at you, right? And not to keep yourself organized so that your partner doesn't get mad at you, but what do you want? Right? And so I kind of had this point, a watershed moment where it was either, it was going to be stay or go. A lot of, a lot of slabs like myself in their 40s, well-meaning, not through, not through like, it doesn't have anything to do with like infidelity or anything like that. It's just the pizzazz and is gone. You know, Esther Perel talks about how,

like marriages have like different phases and how like you go from the romance which i mean in my experience uh n equals one of just like you know of research um it you got about 10 good years you got about 10 good years of romance and and then you need another you need another you need something else you need another element and i've noticed that that is just like partnership you need someone, you need someone that's got your back 100%. And what I did notice was that my wife is an alpha. She doesn't need 50-50. She just needs a great backup quarterback who understands the entire playbook and will come in and sub in well, you know, when she, because she can't do it all. So saving her from doing it all is, is where it's at and just understanding that. So that's kind of

what the book is about and just like and making sure that you are taking enough off your partner's plate to keep things sympathetico you know that is it's such a good point that you raised to the idea of of getting some of this stuff done not so that your partner will stop not so that your partner will stop being mad at you i think is is learning to do it for yourself because that is something that i definitely struggle with in my own relationship i'll say is that i'm i am a much cleaner person than, or much tidier person. I would say we are both a little messy, but we are not dirty. And I do think there is a distinction between those two things.

Oh, let's go. You know, we're a little disorganized, but I am a tidier person than he is. And I found that at the beginning of our relationship, the only time he would really take initiative and tackle some of the cleaning of the house is when he knew I was not upset at him, but like had a bad day or was upset about something else that had. happen. And in order to make me feel better, I would come home and the house would be clean. But unfortunately, that gets you into this feedback loop of, oh, if I want him to clean the house, then I should be upset about something. And it's not a, it's not a sustainable way to operate.

I think you're on to something. If you just come in mad tight, like, I feel like. And the fundamental difference, unfortunately, between the two of us is I've read, I've read that this is a common thing, is that I need, in order to relax, I have to clean. And in order for him to clean, he has to be relaxed. And so we're never aligned in terms of when we feel like doing it. And so I think part of it for me was like sort of scaling back the idea that we should be doing this together at all times. And that like sometimes it's okay that like I don't have to like he will get to it after he plays that video game. And I don't have to, it doesn't have to be necessarily on my timetable.

when it gets done. And that's sort of how we met in the middle is that he's going to do more of it, but I'm not going to control when he does it at all times. That is huge. I wish for that in my partner, but that is not. My partner, I had to really figure out something for myself, right?

I had to figure out a role for myself. And I had this, like, we have these great, like, these people that we always rent this little place in this tiny island in Maine. We get a great little deal. And we live not far from this guy that's like he was a quartermaster in the army and like and I was like I was always like you know, how did you, you know, tell me about your experience and he'd always just be like, I was always prepared. I'm a quartermaster, all this kind of thing. And I was like, oh, I love that. You, you had to take inventory and stock of what you had. And so I kind of like tried to like graph that onto my own life and create a role for myself, which was just like, if there's anything we need, I just check the levels. Because. I like to say like the devil is in the levels. Like I check like the level of milk.

I check the level of orange juice. I check the level of nut milk. Like whatever it is. TPP, pt oil like butter. Like let's go. And I told myself that I was just, we were just never going to have that argument again, you know?

And if you have, and I say this from a place of some privilege and, you know, like I'm able to do this and to like Costco bomb my house with these things. But that, that, you have no idea. Like when you have two kids.

And, you know, whatever, the yogurt squeezers are just, you're out. You know what I'm saying? You can reach for the last one. It's like being at war, and like there's just like no more ammo. You know, it's like, it's like Costco. And this is not a plug for Costco, but like, but wholesalers and things like that can save you. Because like we'd always be out of some like some coffee or things like that. And I'd be like, what about a three pound drum, babe?

You know, like, because I, you know, listen, we used to live in Gawanas, which is kind of like, akin to living in like silver like whatever you want to call it, Highland Park. And then now we live in Bay Ridge, which is just like, it's different. And like, we don't have to be cool anymore. So, like, now I feel like those kind of buys are okay. And I just enjoy the kind of peace and tranquility that that can offer. And I like the role that I can play in that. Because I think, like, we ran out of, like, some toilet bowl cleaner or something a couple days ago.

And she's like, that's so crazy because I thought you would have been on that. And I was like, babe, thanks. you know, like, because you find something for yourself in this kind of, you know, in this next phase, I guess, you know, that's basically what it's about. That's huge. And have you noticed, like, that, just that act alone of taking on this responsibility and making it and owning it and making it your own? Like, how has that affected your marriage, would you say, like, positively or negatively if it

for the better, but it's all about, honestly, it's for the better. it's it starts with me and I feel better about what I contribute you know like I'm not just contributing like material resources I'm contributing to I have a role to play in the house beyond just providing something and like and I and I love that you know and and beyond that like my wife grew up in New York in the 1980s and 90s and and she grew up in this kind of crumbling old brownstone and they had tenants and her only um she was very organized so that was like kind of she she did that because the rest of like as a child other things were chaotic right so i think learning like why someone needs to be needs things to be neat is important and now i just

kind of like instead of getting my head around it so much i just kind of like try to put my arms around it you know and and and i think that like i before that i would because we're both very rational people and I was like always rationalizing I was like what is wrong like things end up on the floor like all systems fall apart you know like and using like Newton's first or second laws to you know to rationalize my behavior and that's just not going to cut it in a marriage you know you might be right but especially one with two kids especially one with two kids that and these kids are who I mean they are stretching to the limit to the limit it's wild I just feel like that is when I when I look over my marriage and I and I think about how I've

understood my person more that is that is something I can definitely like hang my hat on you know because a lot of it a as you're saying she becomes calm or calmer through a clean space and whatever I can do to do my part to my bit that's great and and what I know from researching the book and and everything like that and just you know heavy google searching is that um women at least uh as it says are they need to feel secure in order to hook up which is another part of the book as well so like so if the you know if the dishes were not done or like you know whatever food was out and i was like hey how about some peanut butter jelly time she was she would just be like now man you know

and i i wonder why but but if i dusted them corners did the lawn this and that, like suddenly that's a possibility. And I guess that's, that's of course, the play part, you know? Yeah, I mean, you got to have a carrot and you got to have a stick, you know? Yes. And you're getting both. Period. You're getting both.

Let's go. So I wanted to talk. One really cool thing about your book is that you gamified your book a little bit. And explain what that is for people who may not know and how you did it. This, okay, so I gamified it, of course. It's got level. right? So you start in the mezzanine, then there's the first floor, the second floor, and then there's like, you know, boss level. Because I have an amazing editor, Nyati Patel, and at Grand Central

Press in Hatchet, and she was like, well, you're trying, you're aiming this and sneaking vegetables to straight cis dudes. And you, they need a video game kind of situation. And I was like, you're absolutely right. So, so I'm just, that was, that was recent, One, and then second, I just want people to know that, like, you start off small and then you get, you know, you have to make a small change before you can make a bigger sea change, right? So that's what I try to do. That's why I gamified it. Like, for instance, I think the final level of chore play is, like, if you can, if you can do this, is getting your mate to get things at the store for you. You know what I'm saying?

Like, if you notice that something is out, like, we're running low on whatever nut milk. Like, babe, while you're out, can you get some nut milk? Like, I remember that was like the final thing I put in the book. And she was like, nah, who it is? And I was like, damn it, you know? But the thought is there, you know? Like the roles have kind of reversed in a way. And I do that.

And gamifying it helps people see that, like, you know, it's not as serious as all that. that, you know, that small changes can be fun, right? And for example, like making her coffee every morning has been an experience. Because all the different things that it entails, like, getting up early as comedians, you know? I mean, look, you're, look, you're, first of all, Joel, congrats in your life. You know, you're doing great. But like, but you know what I'm saying? When I first saw you at La Poisson Rouge, I'm guessing you didn't wake up at like, you know,

whatever crazy hour it was, right? We woke up when we wanted to wake up, right? So that's the thing. It's like, you know, having that saying to yourself that you can do that and putting, you know, putting those pants on one leg at a time is part of the game, you know? And I feel like you can't achieve it and get to that big board at the end and really, and be a different person. Yeah.

I mean, it really does sound like part of this experience of writing this book and living this book is learning a new love language almost. Like it's like learning a new language because I actually think that like I subscribe to the love language theory like I know what mine are and I know how I like to receive love and it's but I do think that it's done some great harm in a certain way which is that it excuses people from doing the other ones like I know so many people who are like well my my love language is physical touch that's how I give love and so I can't clean the house because I'm not acts of service and that's not important to me. I literally have her people say things akin to that. And it's interesting because I think like what you're advocating for is like even if that is the case, you got to learn the other languages. You've got to learn the other languages. And more than that, you got to do it for yourself.

You really got to do it for yourself because you might break up. And then you and then like you're just going to be out here hoping that somebody does your laundry for you. Somebody like cooks, cleans for you. No, you got to do this for yourself. That's little. Thank you. Yes.

That's what it is. That's what it is. And I think that shedding that skin, so to speak, and kind of, I don't know, becoming an adult is part of this process. It was definitely part of that process for me. I thought that I was grown and I definitely was not. And I think that there's just a level of maturity and an executive function that you have to take on if you're going to be in a marriage that lasts. like I didn't know the names of my kids teachers. I didn't know the names of their doctors. I didn't know when their next appointment was. And I had to change all that because my wife was doing all of that.

My partner is doing all of that. And that's not it, you know. And you should know, not, you know, you should know as a parent. Like because I tell a story in there where I called up, I was like, I'm going to change things around. I'm going to see when their next appointment is. And I call over to the dentist office. And I was like, Shout out to Dr. Safarian. I was like, what, um, doc,

to the receptionist, I'm like, you know, um, when is their next appointment? And they're like, the mother knows. And I was like,

yeah, I'm just, I'm just dead and I just like to know. And then she's like, oh, okay, so y'all are divorced. And I was like,

no, I'm not divorced. And she's like, it was a Brooklyn receptionist, by the way, so they're not really receptive. And so, um,

I was like, so only divorced dads do this? She's like, yeah, pretty much. And then that was like, That was alarm bells for me, you know? And I remember I wasn't, I'm not the worst ever, right?

Because there was a dad at my kid's school and I asked him where his other kid went to school. And he did not know the name of the school. It was just you, the things that we are doing, the things that we are leaving to our partners, I'm surprised that folks aren't out the door sooner. I'm surprised that people put up with that. much for that long and try to make it work, you know? And maybe some of those divorced dads wouldn't be divorced if they knew that information a little bit sooner, at top of other things, I'm sure.

True, true, true, true. Sweet days. So, Jordan, I'm getting married at the time of recording in two weeks, exactly. Congratulations. I've been listening and I, and congrats all the Mazel Tov. This is beautiful. Is it destination? What's it going to be? It's San Francisco.

Yes. New Year's Eve. It's going to be an amazing time. I'm so excited. I'm more excited than anything. But I have to say that divorce is maybe my biggest fear. Not because I think it will happen, but like it's that it's that big scary thing that like no one expects that to happen. And yet it does over half the time. And so I guess like, you know, we've talked a lot about what you've done. to make sure that your relationship stays strong. But outside of cleaning, what are some pieces of advice for my first 10 years? You've made it successfully through that first easy, quote unquote, time maybe, where the romance is alive and kick in. What can I do to make sure that that first 10 years goes well?

And what can I do to make sure that you're almost through with that second 10 years? What are your two big pieces of advice for both those periods? Okay, so for the first 10 and the second 10. For the first 10, what I wish I had done more often is go to bed with my person. Just no matter what. Like, I know there's science that says sleeping at different times is totally fine, but there's nothing like unwinding with your person and having them be that person that you check in with. and and whatever look at this dumb meme you know this is what i'm reading you know i can't believe this is one of our children said to me today you know i think that that's got to be you've got to

have the post game wrap up with them and like it always feels i feel so much better doing that i wasted so much time not doing that because of shows you know i should have done the show and then come home you know i'm sorry i get a little emotional about it but i should have done the show and come home and I didn't I didn't and I'm trying to make up for it now but you know I think in the next 10 years you can't regret what you you know maybe did in the first 10 it's it's a it's about it's about growing more and experiencing more and like and for yourself like for me like like now I have routines and discipline a lot more and so I I like try to go to the gym I try to like every day, like, just do this one thing for myself at, like, get up at five, gym at six, so that I'm

ready for my little ragamuffin crumb snatchers at seven, you know? So like, and, and I think that doing something for yourself that does not enmesh you with your partner, but gives you something to, to your, like, for yourself and for your own, for your own good and whatever, your own edification is great. It could be, it could be, it could be you going back for a degree. It could be like, you take up painting or sculpture, whatever it is, it should be on you. And then I also believe in like, and lastly, and this is just a bonus, I think that solo trips, like, I think solo trips are really cool for your partner, whatever. I know that, like, my wife's going to Paris with her hairdresser is in Paris, so she's going, he moved back, so she's going there. And, and I want that for her.

And I want her to have a good time because you and I know, like, as comedians, we've had good times in the name of like what we do for a living. Yeah. Like solo out there just like seeing the world. And it's a very rare and unique thing to be able to do that. So that's my advice to you. I think you'll do great. I mean, those are both really incredible and insightful things to think about.

I actually think the first one is not going to be a problem because we've actually taken it too far to the point where he stays up later than I do, but I have fallen asleep on the couch almost every night for the last like six months because I prefer to fall asleep next to him. And if that means falling asleep next to him while he's playing a video game on the couch, then that's just how it usually goes down. And so, yeah, something we're working on is going downstairs to our bedroom at a reasonable time so that we aren't waking up at 3 a.m. on the couch and then moving down at that point.

Listen, you're doing the right things, though. You're ending the day with that person. That's what I mean, in the day with that person. because it almost scares me like how intimate that is, you know? And, and I'm like, damn, dude, this is really intimate and very beautiful. And then I also do this thing. Like, and I'll give you one more freebie, which is don't pretend like you're not having a great time with your person. Like, I've done that.

I have too much second banana energy. So if, like, I'm like, are we, we're hating our, we're hating our spouses? Yeah, I hate my spouse too. Like, you know, like, I've done that around friends instead of just like being like, I'm sorry, that sucks. You know, I don't have to share. I don't have to like broadcast that it's going well. But, but like I don't have to pretend like it's not, you know, or find something that I don't like about my person on the spot, you know? So.

Yeah. I mean, that's so real. And that's so real as comedians, I think, too, because it's always like the strife is always comedically, at least in part more interesting, I think, to a lot of people. It's easier to write from that place focusing on the negative than it is to say like to make a joke out of how happy you are. I mean, like, that's just not. That's just a higher bar to clear. People are not here for it. No, they're not here for it.

Happiness, no way. Does not sell. Does not sell. Not relatable. Yeah. Yeah. Not relatable at all. Yeah.

Well, this has been an incredible conversation. I've gotten some incredible piece of advice, advice that you all have access to in February when the book. chore play comes out. But before I let you go, a question that I always ask on this, speed dates is sort of a, it's a personal one, but what is a, what's your favorite or most influential, most memorable depiction of love in pop culture? And that can be on a television show, a movie, a music, a song, a poem, a book, whatever. But what is something, a depiction of love that you have experienced through pop culture that you have said, that is what I want for myself. That's the model. That's, oh my God. That's it for me. Well, only because it's been, I mean,

I hate to go here, but it's been such a rough weekend for comedy. And it's got to be when Harry Met Sally, you know? Yeah. When I was a kid, I was watching that way too young. I mean, I even bought the Harry Conach Jr. soundtrack. What was I doing? You know, but it was like, Rob Reiner brought this beautiful magic. And I was like, this is, I want this.

I want to live in Manhattan. I want to roll out a carpet with a lady, like, you know, while I talk about whatever relationships I'm in. I love the banter and the back and forth. And that just made me fall in love with New York. It made me fall in love with romance. Meg Ryan, you know, and it made me like want to be Billy Crystal. I was halfway there. I had a little half row. You know, it was like, that's okay. I loved that. I wanted to run to the park and make doves fly up while I met her at the, you know, the New Year's function, whatever he was running late to, you know. And I think that that had an indelible mark on me. I mean, for real.

Nora Afron, come on now. Oh, I sobbed. I saw it as an adult for the first time on a plane, and boy, what a mistake to watch it on a plane because it's the way I cried. I also watched it immediately following a breakup. Oh, my God. Yeah, don't recommend either of those contexts

for your first watch of when Harry met Sally. If you have not watched it, definitely do, but don't do it then. And did you know? I actually just saw a video of this of Rob Reiner on Drew Barrymore talking about how he changed the ending of the movie because he met his wife midway through filming that movie and originally they don't end up together.

He was so cynical about love. He was so like it's much more realistic if these two people don't end up together. And that's how originally the movie ended. And then he ended up falling in love halfway through making this movie and completely rewrote the ending because of his wife and because of falling in love. And that's the kind of love. you know, that it's funny because I did the same thing with Fire Island. I changed the ending when I first, after I met my partner.

Really? And it wasn't as drastic as that. I mean, they still were ending up together. It's just sort of the way it was framed for me completely changed because it's so funny. Yeah. I felt like, you know, I've written, I wrote a whole ass rom-com before ever being actually in love. And it really is like, I felt, I suddenly realized I was like, oh, my God, I've been larping this entire time.

and when you really understand it and feel it, it does change things for you, especially in your art. So that is, that's such a great poll. And classic for a reason. By the way, Fire Island is incredible,

by the way, I just want to say that. I watched it. It was on Hulu. I was like, let me, let me support this guy. So good.

Thank you so much. Yeah. So if you want to hear more of the wisdom of Jordan, Carlos, check out Chorplay. marriage saving magic, getting your head out of your ass. It'll be out in February. Can you pre-order it right now, Jordan?

You can pre-order it right now. Thank you for asking. I appreciate that. So if you go to hatchet.com, you can pre-order the book, or you can check out my links on my Instagram, Jordan Carlos. I'm one of one. And it'll direct you right to the pre-order page. So that would be awesome.

Thank you for asking. Perfect. So if people want to find you Jordan Carlos on Instagram, is there anything else you would like to plug that is not your book? That is not my book. No, I think we did it. I think that's okay. We can walk away feeling good about this.

This is really great. I want to plug your marriage, your upcoming next to shows. I'm so happy for you. If you want to drop the registry in the chat, whatever. No, no. I mean, like for real. Congrats. It's amazing.

Amazing. Thank you so much. I really appreciate that. And congrats on the book. I hope it is a huge success. And it sounds like it's going to help a lot. of people. So Jordan Carlos, everybody, that's been our speed date. Please rate and review us if you enjoyed what you heard. Five stars only though. That's the only stipulation. You're not allowed. It's

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