Bad Friends - Ouch! w/ Marc Maron

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Starting point is 00:00:50 Available right now at badfriendsmerch.com. Don't go chasing waterfall. To the rivers and the light and the sea. I know that you're gonna have it show away or nothing at all, but I think you're moving too fast. You know the whole lyric, huh? I have no doubt. I seen the rainbow yesterday and so many.

Starting point is 00:01:13 You know a song? What? I got you a gift to start the show. Gift, dun, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, gift, gift. Dun, dun, dun, dun, I have no gift. Dun, done, done, done. Well, last time you told us about how much your new hobby has

Starting point is 00:01:28 enthralled you. And although we couldn't get you exactly what I thought we were supposed to get you, we got you something else. Who did it? What size are they? Your size? Nine? Nine, baby. They're nice. You like these? I love Europa. These are the Europa track control. These are the grippers. Who's are there that they wore it and then they don't want to wear anymore? No, this was a 14-year-old boy who lives in Burbank. That's what we got them from. No, really? Yeah. But they're yours now, dog. Thanks, bud. And look at the rubbers worn out. on the brakes. Do they work though?

Starting point is 00:02:01 Do they work? Well, they don't break unless like the wheels don't but of course they work. Strap up and rock out. You want to take a break and roll around the parking lot for a minute? 1199! That's how much they were.

Starting point is 00:02:13 1199! What would you like them to be? $300. Why? I want the high tech versions of this. Those are the highest tech. Dude, I can go on light right and I get a higher tech. It's last year's model.

Starting point is 00:02:25 Is it really? Yeah. That kid was ripping. I don't like it. Come on, put them on. Put them on and rip around the neighborhood for one minute. Please. It would really help me out.

Starting point is 00:02:35 Really? Yeah, but I'm having a tough day. I need a good day. All right. Hell yeah. You're being real? Yes. I wipe out.

Starting point is 00:02:43 You're not going to wipe out. What do we go? Yeah, those are gone. I don't think we have ice here. I think you have to go get ice. You okay, Bob? Who has that clip of him falling? That's all I heard you laughing.

Starting point is 00:04:06 No, and that makes me realize that we don't have the friendship that we have. I'm not sure. I ran. I said, are you okay? Then I turned and so. Oh, you said okay. And then you cackle like a hyena. We have the footage.

Starting point is 00:04:15 If you want to rewind it, we can actually watch what happened. Is you fell? I go, oh my God, is he okay? And then I turn my head while we're coming over to you. And those two Mexican guys are dying laughing. And I mean dying laughing. Am I wrong? Do you have audio on that?

Starting point is 00:04:28 See, my friend, my supposed friend, cackling like a hyena. Oh, you jump over. You said jump over. No, he said it. No, you said it. Don't wait, stop, stop, stop. That wasn't Mexicans laughing. You left as soon as the fall happened, you piece of shit, dude.

Starting point is 00:04:53 No, no, rewind it. Look to my right. To my right, it's an Irish Irish laughter. Look, to my right. You didn't even look right He's looking That's where he's looking He's looking at him

Starting point is 00:05:08 He laughed and then you looks You laughed and then you look You piece of shit dude Are you? I said are you okay In laughing Watch listen to the rest Are you okay

Starting point is 00:05:24 Honestly concerned Fuck we said Our hands on hips Nervous See? It's all, are you okay? Look at the Mexicans. Look at the dude's laughing.

Starting point is 00:05:53 Look at it. Look, he's right there. Look at these Mexican guys laughing. Trump, do your job, Trump. And get these guys. They're cracking the fuck up. Yes, he is. Zoom at that guy.

Starting point is 00:06:16 Right now. Zoom on the other guy. Okay. From what I see He ain't laughing Yes he is 100% He's laughing Yes he was

Starting point is 00:06:24 Everybody saw it Oh we go back to the fall though Here we have this Different angle This is what Oh my god Oh my god Oh my god

Starting point is 00:06:41 Are you okay That's the first thing you hear My fucking finger Well I asked are you okay I'm the first one Are you okay in a laughing Haina style Laugh dude

Starting point is 00:06:52 Rewin the laughter Three are you Get the audio up, dude. So many are you okays. Shut the fuck up, dude. You're a piece of shit. So many are you okay. You're not a friend of mine.

Starting point is 00:07:04 You okay, Bob? Volume. See, are you okay, Bob? We're concerned. Go right to that fall again. All right, everybody don't laugh. Don't laugh. When the fall happens, do not laugh.

Starting point is 00:07:15 If you smile, I will literally, no, put your shirt down. Any of you, you guys smile, I'm... Dude, I'm... I'm going to leave. Dude, if you guys laugh, you're going to get deep shit. No more. I'm not even fucking kidding. Pop, hold on.

Starting point is 00:07:39 Play the video, and if anybody in the fucking boost laughs, you're fired. Any enthusiasm or, you can't cover your mouth. Nothing. Nothing. Show your face, you cowards. All right, go. Oh, my God. Oh, my God.

Starting point is 00:08:00 Carlos? You're fired. God, are you okay? See, look, and I'm concerned, are you okay? Five are you okay's. Why are you crying? Because I'm sad. You got hurt.

Starting point is 00:08:13 I'm laughing a joke, not you. One more for the other angle. You okay, Boblin? Hold on. I have a third angle. Hold on, play this out. Yeah. Oh, my God.

Starting point is 00:08:24 See, fancy smiling. Yeah, I need, um. The Mexicans, dude. Do you break your wrist? I think I did. I'm so. Dude, you literally aren't a friend of mine. It's so sad.

Starting point is 00:08:42 It's so fucking sad. Those guys are laughing and it made me laugh. No, dude. You laughed at impact. That's not true. We just watched it again. I didn't crack a smile. Watch the first one again.

Starting point is 00:08:52 Watch the first one and I won't laugh. Okay. Watch. Make it big. Right when I fall. You're the one. You're the fucking dick. Pause.

Starting point is 00:09:01 Pause it. Jump over the curb. Start it over. McCone yells. It doesn't matter. Jump over the curb and I go, yeah, jump over the curb. I repeat what you said.

Starting point is 00:09:09 Am I, that is true. Yeah. I'm a bit of a trip. Jump inside the volcano. Yeah, jump inside the volcano. It's the same fucking thing, dude. I thought it'd be cool. I thought it'd be cool if you jumped over the volcano.

Starting point is 00:09:16 You went in. Okay. Go ahead. He didn't even get near the volcano. See, he just said jump over the yellow one. Fuck you. Stop it. Sit out.

Starting point is 00:09:38 Please sit. Dude. Let's move forward. That's insane. Look, we all learned a lesson. No more gifts. This was, this was retaliation. If I'm being honest.

Starting point is 00:09:50 from how much my heart hurt when I bought you those Arsenal shoes and you didn't like them. That's kind of with this. Oh, really? And I knew that you'd fall on these and I bought them knowing you'd fall. Yeah. One Christmas, I bought probably $4,000 or $5,000 with the gifts to you.

Starting point is 00:10:05 And yours is worth, what, $3,400? We can get into it a little. I've given you more gifts consistently than you've ever given me. I do it in chunks, in big chunks. You do it once. You did it one time. Oh, my God.

Starting point is 00:10:15 I'm sorry that you feel bad. You need to put ice on your hand again, though. Yeah. You just ice it. Oh, my God. It was terrible. Anyway That's not what it's like

Starting point is 00:10:22 When you go to the roller rink No It's way more smooth You don't go out to go over It's not bumpy Well chiseled Chiseled Chiseled

Starting point is 00:10:29 Concrete is not the moon I was doing some moves Out there even too It looked good Yeah I was slicing it out And everything too And then the middle Part of the thing

Starting point is 00:10:38 I can handle But when it got bumpy And when I heard The little weasel go Jump out of the curb Jump over the red Yellow thing bud That was him

Starting point is 00:10:46 Yeah Jump over the yellow thing Buddy Yeah he was he was instigating. You weren't even attempting to jump but you just fell in the middle. Yeah, I'm not a fucking professional roller blitter, dude.

Starting point is 00:10:55 Not anymore. So I think even me saying that is ultimately irrelevant because you didn't even hurt yourself jumping over the yellow thing. You just couldn't even get over the middle of the street. Oh my God.

Starting point is 00:11:05 Don't. Please don't. Oh, my God. We're done. We're done. No, no, no. Please. Oh, my God.

Starting point is 00:11:20 Okay. You're fucking attitude. You know, I gotta tell you something. Can I tell you something why I love you so much? Shut up. I was having a real, real bad day. Fuck off. Okay, do you want me to level with you for real?

Starting point is 00:11:31 My dad had a heart attack last night. Jesus. And he's in the hospital. So I was having a crazy day. Which one? What do you mean which one? Stepdad or real dad? My real father.

Starting point is 00:11:41 Okay. What is that? You laugh now? See, the one that abandoned you? And see, you laugh? Yeah, yeah. that you laugh. Say it again. The reason you laugh is why I laugh when you fall on roller. See it again.

Starting point is 00:11:59 My father had a heart attack last night. You think it's funny. See? Now are we even now? Now we're even. Oh, is he okay? He is okay. Yeah. Really is he can be okay though. We'll find out. All right. Sorry. No, it's okay. But that's why I laugh at you when you fall. Yeah. A little different. Because you're actually a bad person. No, you're a terrible human being. Well, you'll be hearing from somebody. Who? You can't even.

Starting point is 00:12:23 Your assistant can't even answer your text. What are you going to go get a fucking lawyer? So Andrew, texts is my assistant on Monday. She doesn't reply until Friday. That's right, one week. I go, hey, what's Bobby's schedule? She has a shit,

Starting point is 00:12:35 he has a shitstorm. You know what I mean? In rage, right? To whom? About my assistant. I didn't say anything bad to her. I just go, don't worry about it. No, you said, great assistant.

Starting point is 00:12:45 Do when I called you. Five days. Right. And I called my. Five days! Yeah, yeah. I called my assistant. I go, great job.

Starting point is 00:12:53 continue the work my friend and then she texted me and was like I'm so sorry I'll never do you went camping yeah and I can't go camping brother she's been camping oh is it another fucking weight joke what I don't even know what she looks like I've never seen her in my life body shaming you know what's interesting

Starting point is 00:13:12 I've never seen what she looks like and here Bobby is saying how he feels so you're saying you're projecting no oh interesting really I've never met this human in my life I don't even know who it is it's an appur's a far as I'm concerned. You've never met Melanie, my assistant. When would I have ever met fucking Melanie? Well, then take that out. Fuck you. No, that least stays in. You get it out. You feel that way. Yeah, you do. You body shame people. Never seen her in my life. Don't even know. By the way, as far as

Starting point is 00:13:36 I'm concerned, she's chat TPT. I don't even know if she's fucking real. I've never even known this human to be real. Also, fat people don't go camping. Bam! Bam! Oh my God. Bam, dude. This guy's shooting the fat gun. Dude. Put away your fat gun did. You asked me for restaurant recommendations. Oh my God. Did I send you to a good spot? We can't go for negative deposit of that quick.

Starting point is 00:14:02 That's the best part of the show. No, no, no, I don't like it. No, the part of the show is, you fall. You fall. You make fun of my dad that has a heart attack. No, no. I fall. You can't like a little child at a playground.

Starting point is 00:14:13 Are you okay? Were you okay from the fall? Is your daddy going to die? Maybe. Maybe huge difference between the two. You fall in the past. You. Yeah, and you fell, you little fat jelly roll.

Starting point is 00:14:26 Yeah, I got not what, now how is it that he's more mad than me? No, no, I'm not mad. If you shoot, shoot at me, I'm going to shoot back. You should be first. How? You're gackling when I was falling. It's hilarious. It's hilarious.

Starting point is 00:14:38 When a short little fat guy falls on rollerblades. Huh? You want to watch it again, see if it's funny. No. What I mean, dude? Dude, it's funny. All right. It's fucking, this is inherently funny.

Starting point is 00:14:52 Yeah, yeah. That's good. That's good. That's good. Oh, no. Oh, no. Oh, no. Oh, no. I fall.

Starting point is 00:15:07 I fall. I fall on the ground. I go for the yellow thing. I fall on the ground. Laughing to the mic so we know you're laughing. Will you cut it out? Having a blast. Oh, God.

Starting point is 00:15:23 Man. What a beautiful sunny day, no less. Yeah, yeah, yeah. In front of my two favorite Mexicans. Embarrassing. All right, jump to something fun. Imagine if they were like a group of like hot chicks. I mean, come on.

Starting point is 00:15:36 That would have been so sad for me. No, no. See, I disagree. Hot checks would have found it endearing that we were having fun with it. And they would have been like, are you okay? Are you okay? No, it's not high school. That's why.

Starting point is 00:15:48 That's high school. What? They would have got the ick. They would have got the ick. If they were, if they were, if, A guy with no balance? People want balance. How about this? What do they look for? A job?

Starting point is 00:15:59 You know what I mean? Security, balance. Look up traits that women love and men. Balance is not on there. Balance is on there, dude. No, it's not. Traits that women love in men. Ready? Confidence, kindness, intelligence, balance. Oh my God, it is.

Starting point is 00:16:11 It's a force one. Yeah, yeah. A sense of humor. See, you fell, we laughed. I know, but not that. It would give, right, Carlos back me up, but ick. Yeah, it's totally ick. If they're, okay.

Starting point is 00:16:20 A producer, ick, not get a job. How about this? I'm not going to be in fucking Commando 2 You know what? He's got to run across the field with a fucking M16 You know what the producers? You know what the producers of karate ghost? They'd be like, we got to put this guy in the movie again.

Starting point is 00:16:34 You mid-air, you did a kick. You did a karate. I didn't kick, dude. Both might have kicked out. Do women find it important for men to have balance? Do women find it important for men to have balance? Oh, fuck! There's a rock in there.

Starting point is 00:16:48 Oh, this piece of skin. Yeah, you want some? No, thank you. Yeah, yeah, I'm going to put it on your body. All right, and I'll punch you. Why? I don't want your skin. Yeah, put my skin on your body, then.

Starting point is 00:16:56 I don't want it. That makes, that's blood brother. Look, generally women find it important for men to have a healthy work-life balance, and you do. Work and life out there. Oh, my God. You have a Band-Aid or no? I doubt this place has a Band-Aid. Okay.

Starting point is 00:17:10 I don't even know if we don't have, like, proper anything here. Okay. You know, someone else said that. Who walked in the studio and goes, this is how you guys operate? Yeah. This place is a joke. It's a joke. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:17:19 People go, oh, congratulations. You know, you got to. great podcast. And I'm like, we work in a dump. We work in a dump. In an alleyway. But don't you like, isn't this good? It's the way it is.

Starting point is 00:17:31 I would rather this than the other thing. It's like Sesame Street. Like we went down Sesame Street. Right? And then there was like a door there. What's up? He's got paper towel. Please.

Starting point is 00:17:42 Do you want some, get him some Purel. Purell is alcohol. It's going to hurt. But you got it. You have to clean the cut. Oh, you do it. I'm going to close my eyes.

Starting point is 00:17:52 Fuck. Give it to me. Do you have a... When was last time you got a tetanus shot? I've never been caught in one. Oh shit. Okay. Ah!

Starting point is 00:18:04 Sorry, sorry, sorry. Yeah, but you have to. You have to clean it. Ah, sorry. Punch him. Take it out of McCone. Take it out on McCone. Anyway, let's go to positive.

Starting point is 00:18:17 Let's go to positive. You called me up. You said, I need a good breakfast restaurant. I suggested it. It was called Miracle Bakery. Yep. In Burbank. So I was with...

Starting point is 00:18:24 somebody I'm seeing and we were in Burbank and we're shopping. I bought a um a 2012 Godzilla statue. Shut up. How big? It's like this big. Wait, is it at your house now? Yeah. I also got a master blaster statue. Dude, where did you go shopping? It's called um it's called Blast from the past. Oh, on in downtown. Yeah. I know exactly where it is. Yeah. Yeah. They got a master blaster and then I got a transformer old transfer and then I got um a bunch of stickers and whatnot. Hot. And then we were, I got that. Whoa.

Starting point is 00:18:58 And then we, um, that, you know, and then my date was like, she was like, um, I want something breakfasty. I don't know anything around here. Let's just get tacos. I want breakfasty. Yeah, you got to do what they want. When they want breakfasty, you got to give it to. I called Andrew and he brought me to a place that was really good.

Starting point is 00:19:15 And I'm going to be honest. Let me be honest. When you ask me about a spot, don't I deliver typically, I said. That's the thing about you. That's why I call you. I know. I love you. Especially in the Burbank area.

Starting point is 00:19:24 because you used to live in that area. Love Burbank. That I know that you know the spots there. I think you know globally. Like if I'm in like Indianapolis, I think you know. I got you. Yeah, you got me. Anywhere in the cities, I think you know.

Starting point is 00:19:36 Yeah, the rules are going to be hard for me. Even places like Taipei. If you're in Taipei, I can hook it up too. You can hook up Taipei, yeah. So Miracle Bakery, phenomenal stuff. Breakfast was great. Go say hi. Also, they, um, they treat me like a king.

Starting point is 00:19:49 Well, well, you are. No, they were just nice to everybody. They're great people. Yeah, yeah. They make phenomenal food and they cook it all there. We disagreed with the donut. What happened? Well, this is not a really, you're a donut purist.

Starting point is 00:20:00 It's different. Yeah, I disagreed with a donut. Okay. A donut, I mean. But their specialty was all the other, the breakfast items are their best. Yeah. What was wrong with the donut? It was like a faux nut kind of a, the consistency wasn't what I look at it.

Starting point is 00:20:12 It's probably a little healthier. Probably. That's why it's not good. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, look, healthy stuff that's supposed to be unhealthy. But everything else was exilante. Oh, no. Whoa, it's vacation, Marin.

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Starting point is 00:24:28 Oh, that's nice. That's awesome. That's clever. Do you have a volume from my cans? Yeah, no, no, he'll tell it. He'll adjust you right there. Get some volumes, please. Yeah, I like to.

Starting point is 00:24:35 He's older, and you might not hear well. Well, that's funny. That's a pretty good one. How's the new material coming? Oh, okay. You go right to the throat? That's fucking cruel. And let me tell you something.

Starting point is 00:24:46 That's cruel. That's cruel to be ever. And last thing, I have to say, Peter Shore came up to me and goes, That's six minutes I've never even seen before. I know. And they're strong. He told me today I just spent four hours with him. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:24:55 And did he say something about my act? Yeah, he said he did new material. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, what's the slam about guy? I thought it would roll right off you because it's not true. No, but I should do more. The output should be more. Dude, Aaron.

Starting point is 00:25:09 He's clever. He's so good at what he does. He is. With comics, you know, you want me to be open? I can be open. Yeah, you can fly free on this go. I feel that. I feel safe with you guys.

Starting point is 00:25:18 You should. That's when I was driving over here, I thought this is going to be a supportive safe room. Yeah. You can say whatever you want to watch. Say whatever you want. No, I got nothing. Do you guys have a plan? We do.

Starting point is 00:25:30 We do. We do. We got a plan for the yam. Yeah, yeah. The question to me is, why would you end? Let me, I'm going to say something before I even say that. I want to say that I feel like there's two people that are the pioneers in terms of comedy that inspired this generation to do it. but which is a generation below you.

Starting point is 00:25:50 Yeah, I get it. It's you? Just one below me. And Mario Batali. For sure. His podcast is so good. I think we all, we probably all owe it to Tom Green. Yeah, we do, actually.

Starting point is 00:26:01 I did, yeah, yeah, yeah, right. Tom was first. With the video podcast. With the video, yeah, yeah, yeah. But yeah, me and who else? Rogan. Okay. Who's that?

Starting point is 00:26:08 Who's that? Joe Rogan. Joe. Joseph Rogan? Yeah, he's out of Texas. Oh, Texas. Got it. Yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 00:26:13 I got it. Got it. You love awesome, don't you? He's running half the planet out of Texas. Yeah, yeah. He's got a tight hold on the enlightened meatheads. Dude, Marin's disdain. It's not disdain.

Starting point is 00:26:28 It's reasonable criticism. Reasonable criticism. When's the last time you spoke with him? I don't know. That's a good question. I guess it would have been at the store. I never talked to him in Austin. I don't go into the club.

Starting point is 00:26:40 I don't really think I'm on his radar. So I don't. Something tells me you are. Oh, yeah. Yeah, something tells me you are. I don't, you know, you know, You know, it's weird that you get lumped into a certain thing. And maybe it's my assumption that, you know, his army of, you know, healthy fellas.

Starting point is 00:27:01 Is that their title? Army of healthy fellas is so good. No, you just got to, you know, you know, I got to stay and keep the machine. The machine's got to be good. Yeah. That's a shot at Bert. Go ahead. What do you think the Austin shelf is going to be?

Starting point is 00:27:14 Well, I don't know. Like, I think that it's so effectively tribalized at this point. It really comes down to material. I mean, at what point, like, at what point, it's like whatever they represented in terms of policy. Sure. And it's not a stretch. It's like they won. Trans people are frightened.

Starting point is 00:27:30 They have no ability to get health care anymore. And they're afraid of being alive and have no freedom left. So that's done. When do you stop with the jokes? When you start? Like immigrants. Okay. Well, they're being ripped away from their homes.

Starting point is 00:27:45 And yeah. And they're, you know, and they're all terrified. And okay, so that's done. When do you stop with the jokes? Right. I mean, it's one thing to pick on the vulnerable and the marginalized, but I mean, they're down. I mean, like, why do you got to keep hitting them unless you're a hack? Now, there's a question.

Starting point is 00:28:06 Wow. Mark, wow. It comes in swinging. No, so I don't know the last time I talked to Joe. People for a while were like, you know, why don't you go on Joe's show? And my answer to that is like, why? why right well you it doesn't service you well no i don't need him and also it there's no there's no way for me like what am i going to talk to him about and there's no way for me to to to sort of not walk out of there

Starting point is 00:28:33 and be like all right i guess i'll look at my phone uh fuck how long is this going to go on for you know right but it's like martin luther king and malcolm x made me meeting at once at one point you think let's go historical with it say it again malcolm x and um martin luther king meeting. They've met at one point. Yeah. Well, that's right. Pioneers of the Civil Rights Movement. Which one is Malcolm X and which one's Martin Luther? I don't really think that's not Martin Luther? The analogy

Starting point is 00:28:58 doesn't work. He doesn't. He's so bad analogies. Let him keep going with this. It's going to get funnier as it goes on. Yeah, yeah. Okay, let me go with more analogies. He's like, this is if Hitler's and Gerbils had to hang out off the work site. One of those is right. Yeah. Yeah, I think you got half that analogy. Thank you, you, see.

Starting point is 00:29:18 Mark, what could you just once support me? You know what I mean? With an analogy. Shut up. But that was just wrong. It brought race into it in a very profound way. Yeah. Mine was angled and funny and distant.

Starting point is 00:29:30 It went somewhere else. Yeah. I think on one side of that, there's a guy that's aggressively fighting for the civil rights of victimized white people. God knows they've had it hard enough long enough time for a long enough time. But has Joe asked you? No. Oh.

Starting point is 00:29:44 Here's a better angle. Adam used to go like, hey, what? And I'm like, no, why? Well, because it's interesting being someone like us on the outside of it and watching you guys. Oh, you got one foot in, baby. Well, yeah, it's right up your ass. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:29:57 That's the other. I think what it is for me is I would love to see you guys chat, but I'd love to see you guys chat in neither of your arenas. It would be the only way it'd be legit. Because if you have to go to his show, not going to work. Very good. He has to go to your house, not going to work. You guys would have to do this thing.

Starting point is 00:30:13 It's like setting up a mob meeting here. Yeah. No, seriously. They should do it here. Moderated. You should do it here at bad friends. They should do it here. It would piss both of them off so fucking much.

Starting point is 00:30:21 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Look at the art behind them. I know. It would just be of us behind. This would be good. Neutral ground. But you do have to understand something. I have known Joe since he started.

Starting point is 00:30:31 Yeah. I mean, literally since he first set foot on state. I was there. Boston. Yeah. Yeah. And I remember my initial issues where there was another guy, Kevin Flynn, who's out of the game. And he was like,

Starting point is 00:30:45 a soccer jock. And at that time, Joe was like a, you know, regional kickboxing champion. And my initial reaction was like, what are these guys doing here? This isn't for them. All right. It's like Louis once said to me years ago when Jay Moore started in New York when he was like 17. He's like, it's not for them. It's not for the good looking guys.

Starting point is 00:31:07 It's not for the jocks. This is for us rejects us guys who don't fit in. That's what comedy was. By the way, was Jay Moore that good looking? Is am I crazy? He was cute back back there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. Okay, but let's be honest.

Starting point is 00:31:19 Let's go back to the truth tree then. Mark Marin is a good looking guy. Not always. I was a little sweaty. You're a good, dude, why are you getting TV shows every fucking second, man? And we'll get to that. It's not for my looks. We'll get to that.

Starting point is 00:31:29 It is. It's a company, your face, I've seen you on screen. No, he's a handsome guy. It's annoying. You have great angles on your face. When you were young. Now. Yes, you're right.

Starting point is 00:31:38 You matured. When you were young, you were a hideous. I was a hideous man to look at. I was sweaty and, you know, bloated and long hair. But getting back to Joe, look, I imagine. All right. Sex machine, dude. I was okay.

Starting point is 00:31:52 Ladies, who's that? That's a hot. But look, I could I? I really couldn't land on a look, could I? Yeah. God, you really rotated. Now go to the, no, the Comedy Central photo down below. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:32:00 Awful. Awful. That was a bad night. Off. I mean, this is what anti-Semi stream of. No, that's not quite, that's not quite a full Jew. I would say full jude. Look at the one of me and Sam Kandeson.

Starting point is 00:32:12 That is me at my drugged out fucking best. Wow. What a legendary photo. That's such a good photo. What a crazy. I was out of my mind. I know. Out of my mind.

Starting point is 00:32:23 Everything had a reason. Was that at Krestil? Did you live in Krestil? Yeah, I did. That was in the back lot. Yeah. Wait, hold on. Was that you in a young Fits?

Starting point is 00:32:31 Yeah, yeah. That was in Boston, me and Fits. Yeah. Look at that, dude. Oh my God, dude. I've never seen this photo. Look at how Jacked Fitz looks. Wow.

Starting point is 00:32:39 And then up there on the, where's that one of me and Dave Cross in the red shirt? Dave Cross, it was probably in the mid-90s, yeah. Hey. Oh, my God. Yeah. Wow. But that night for the Comedy Central, the first half hours, I was, I fucked it, man. It was so sad, dude, because I got out here.

Starting point is 00:32:58 I wasn't living out here. And I was still doing Coke then, right? And I had one guy who would get me the blow here, right? And it was, you remember, you remember Bob Baker? Oh, yeah. Sure. Bob Baker Bob Baker did

Starting point is 00:33:10 I couldn't trust Chewy but Baker had other connections You know Chewy had other connections You know Chooey House of Blues You can get in there for free Yeah but

Starting point is 00:33:17 But nonetheless I don't know what happened to Baker But he wasn't a dealer But he you know He was here And I would say like I'm coming out

Starting point is 00:33:23 You know Try I guess I'm So I was really dead set On like trying to keep clean Before that special And I thought I did Because I was like You know

Starting point is 00:33:31 I'll just do a little The night before But I'll stop at like Six at night You know And But need to us say I didn't sleep much and I tanked I didn't tank but it was not good it was the same that

Starting point is 00:33:46 that hadberg whether it was that night of the night after did the special that made him yeah but he didn't do well either but he was him that that special yeah that was at the iv yeah on on he bombed so bad well yeah talks about it in the special right doesn't he talk about eating shit and comes out again it was weird but it took on mythic proportions that special yeah yeah really was what put him on the map. But that was the same bunch of taping. So I was kind of sweaty. I did okay.

Starting point is 00:34:13 I really didn't have my voice totally. I was still kind of bitter. But the saddest thing about this is like, you know, after you do a set like that, you want to go into a room full of friends and like, and they had food there too. And I'm like, all right, I finished the set and I walk into where the food is.

Starting point is 00:34:29 No one's in there but baker. And he's going, they got roast beef. And I'm like, wow. Wow. Yeah. Wow. That's the victory party. So what years were you a doorman at the store, though?

Starting point is 00:34:40 I got out here, I guess it was 86 and 87. Yeah. So I got out here in like the summer of 86 became head doorman. And, you know, she made me head doorman. I got to, I had to get all these idiots jackets. It was a different thing there. She tried to open that. She tried to open one in Universal City.

Starting point is 00:35:00 Wow. Like in a hotel there. So it was my job to make the schedule for the door guys. There was no security or anything. and nobody wanted this job. Wow. So it was me, Rod Blackman, who wasn't a comic, Andy Volver, Mike Jocelnik.

Starting point is 00:35:14 Do you remember that guy? No. He was, he became a lawyer. He's in Cleveland. You know, Jay Pope was another guy. I can't believe him remembering these names. But like, you know, she was like, man, you got to get him jackets. And I'm like, I got to get him jackets.

Starting point is 00:35:29 So I'm down in fucking Chinatown trying to find black blazers for these idiots. And yeah. And then like, I was with. living in Culver City with Steve Brill, and then they kicked me out of the apartment. Because, like, Pete Berg, you know the director? Yeah. Steve Brill is also director. I went to college with Steve, and we were best friends.

Starting point is 00:35:47 We actually started doing comedy together. Pete Bird is killing it now. He does all right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, he did a few Sandler movies. He did Sandler's last special, but Berg is definitely killing it. He's definitely killing. And he's got a real.

Starting point is 00:35:58 He was your college roommate? Wow. No. Steve Brill was my good friend in college. So Brill lived out here, and there was a whole crew of them, including Berg. When I met Berg, he was like, he was trying to act. I took pictures of those guys and he used a picture I took of him as his headshot for years out in Culver City. But him and Brill were friends.

Starting point is 00:36:18 And I was living with Brill and Culver City in a building his uncle owned or his mom or something. And what happened was Berg needed a place to live. So all of a sudden they're like, you can stay on the couch. And it was so sad because I was trying to get in doing stand-up. The way I got the job as a dormant at the store is like, Mitzie. I was doing PA work. This is a funny story. Like, I didn't know what the fuck to do when I got out here.

Starting point is 00:36:40 I just wanted to be a comic and I didn't know how to get on and know anything. And when I got out here, I'd showcase at the store. And I showcased, I don't even think it was a real showcase at the improv. And I just, like, didn't know what else to do. There wasn't any other options. And I started doing PA work. And so the first job of has a PA was on a... It doesn't matter.

Starting point is 00:37:02 Yeah, tell me. We have to know. It was on a shoot. It was a series of videos called kid songs, music videos for kids. Kids song. Kid song. Like kids' bop. Yeah, whatever.

Starting point is 00:37:14 It's something like that. Yeah. And this one was a circus themed one. And they were shooting at the circus Vargas, which was on, it was not, it was, what do you call it when they're, they're not in season? Off season. Right. So, I know. It's hard.

Starting point is 00:37:28 I'm getting old. I see why you're ending the show. That's pretty good. Thank you. Thank you. I'm going to give me. Wait, wait, save it. Come on.

Starting point is 00:37:37 Just finish the story. Don't attack me. So it's just all these circus people and these kids and the director's all coaked up and it's all crazy. And I'm just a PA running around getting things. But it's like really, it's all circus people. And the kids are running around. And then after a day of shooting, there were two clowns.

Starting point is 00:37:56 And after we wrap, the clowns come up to me. And they're like, you want to get high? And I'm like, yeah, okay. Yeah. I do. Yeah. I've never been high with clown. Well, that's the fucked up thing.

Starting point is 00:38:08 Like, let's go to our trailer. So I go to the clown trailer and they're in there. And the one dude just starts rolling in joy. And I go, like, hold on. You got to take the makeup off. I can't be still staring at you guys in fucking clown maker. I can't do the clown. Was the nose still on?

Starting point is 00:38:26 Everything was a long. That's insane. So anyway, so I get another PA job for Mitzie. And I didn't know it. I just got a job. You get into this. the circuit of PAs. And she was shooting at that time where,

Starting point is 00:38:37 what is over there now? Where the petri is, petri used to be the house of blues. And before that, it was a house. Wow. It was called, it was John Barrymore's old house,

Starting point is 00:38:48 an old Hollywood house that Mitzie owned. And she put a restaurant in there called Barrymore's. And for a while there, no one would eat there. Was it good? I don't know. There's a full restaurant. No one would fucking eat there,

Starting point is 00:39:00 man. Well, they tried to offer packages like, you know, dinner and the show. So you, all while, yeah. And then you go to the main room show. But it was, it was a restaurant for a little while, and there were production offices underneath it.

Starting point is 00:39:11 And she was trying to produce the comedy store channel. So she had all the guys that were working at that time doing all kinds of sketches and all kinds of shit. It was this big undertaker. All they drew praetor. Yeah, probably. Yeah, yeah. I'm trying to remember who was, well, she was fucking Danny Stone at the time. Oh, my God. Danny was like, you know, how are you? All he did was like, oh, my God.

Starting point is 00:39:32 Rodney, Dangerfield. Yeah, he has that kind of vibe. Yeah, always wearing a suit and sweaty, bug-eyed. And, you know, but I heard Jimmy Schubert ate her pussy, but I don't know if I can. All right, Mark, finish your story. Yes, he diverts and it's... Sorry, sorry. Yeah, no, Schubert will cop to that.

Starting point is 00:39:47 Yeah. Yeah, Schubert used to say... Really? I think so. Oh, that was urban myth. Okay. No, no. He used to say, I had a pager on my dick.

Starting point is 00:39:56 Wow. Wow. But I don't want to talk out of school, but I think that's public information. Sure. Okay, good. It is now. So anyway, so I had auditioned for Mitzie. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:40:05 And I was running around doing PA on this weird shooting. You know who was around Charlie Barnett? Charlie Burnett? You remember the guy from Washington Square Park? Yep. He was in D.C. Cab, I mean, he was a comedy store regular, old street performer. And I just remember he was around. Ollie Joel was around, all of them, Jan Hart, Karen Haybridge, all the, that crew of the late 80s.

Starting point is 00:40:23 Freddie Asparagus? No, he wasn't part of that. Okay. But I did some blow with Freddie once up at Crystal. All right. You know who that is? I know Freddie Asparagus. Yeah, I've heard the name.

Starting point is 00:40:33 Three amigos. Yeah. He played the bartender. Oh, he was. You know what? Yes. That line, that role was. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:40:40 Where he's like, uh, uh, I gotta get out of this town. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I remember. Yeah. He's a good guy. Great guy.

Starting point is 00:40:47 Yeah. He died, right? Yeah, he died. Yeah. Oh, so anyway, so I know I'm in, like I audition for Mitz. All I want to be is a comic. So I'm like, I see her at this, at, you know, she's running around or moving slowly around and her boa.

Starting point is 00:41:00 sashing around yeah yeah yeah and i go mitzi i finally get a minute i'm like mitzy i'm mark merrin do you remember me i audition for you she for you she goes oh yeah you're funny go talk to be a doorman wow so i went up to mike becker's office was it a big deal back then yeah wow because that was the entry level position wow so like so then so i go meet with becker and and she's i said she wants me a dormant he's like all right and and And then he's like, can you be headdorman? I'm like, yeah, sure. And I'm fucking in Chinatown buying jackets for guys.

Starting point is 00:41:36 But so that's how I got in. Wow. And what had happened where I was living. So. Crestle. Wait, how old were you? No, this is before I moved to Cresso because I was still with Burr. They made me move to the couch.

Starting point is 00:41:47 Okay. At Brill and Berg's house. But then they just started bringing parties home, bring chicks home. And they'd wake me up. And Berg would be like, play some guitar. You know, I'm like, what am I doing? Wow. Why am I the bitch in this situation?

Starting point is 00:41:59 Get us late, dude. This is late 80s, right? Yeah, and I didn't know how to get an apartment because I was a moron. I was like a feral. And I'm like, I wanted to get in, I had to get out there. So I go look at apartments, but I don't know how to look at apartments. And then like an apartment opens up down the hall. Some woman needs a roommate down the hall from Berg.

Starting point is 00:42:17 So I go take this apartment. And within days, you know, I'm doing blow. She's supposedly sober. I get her fucked up on blow. And like I drank all her champagne for her party. And then there was literally an intervention. Like her and her boyfriend and their friend said, you can't live here anymore. Wow.

Starting point is 00:42:34 And I'm like, all right. And then, and then Mitzi was like, you can live at Graston. And I'm like, great. So that's when I was living there at the time, Crestall. Well, for people that don't know, Cresthill is a house at the comedy store owned. And it's like he would house. More on the hillside of the store. It's right above the store.

Starting point is 00:42:49 It was a great old place. At the time, it was funny, because I got a really good room. The room right off the kitchen had its own bathroom. It was a good room. and then crossed away Todd, Todd, Todd Lemish, the Todd. Tamayo lived upstairs, Tomayo Zuki. Yeah. And then across the hall, who the hell was that?

Starting point is 00:43:09 Well, Todd, there was another Todd, the sound guy. He lived downstairs. Yeah. And eventually, Schubert was living upstairs in the porch room for a while. Nancy Redmond was there for a minute. Yeah, yeah. I'm trying to remember who lived in that main bedroom. But that was sort of the crew at the time.

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Starting point is 00:47:32 Give summer one last hurrah. Keep the good vibes going with chubbies. It was crazy. It was the last, I think, really crazy time when I was there. I talked about this recently with Andy Richter and it all sort of comes back to you. You know, because I mean, I've told some of these stories before, but it's like when you get back to them, it's sort of like, you know, you start, you start, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you start getting back into it.

Starting point is 00:47:53 Yeah, yeah. But it was just, it was just so crazy because no, Monday night was no cover night, right? Wow. So, so the way that worked was like all the rooms were open. They had to buy drinks, but that was like Sam night. So Sam would take over the main room Monday night. He'd show up like 1030, 11. Wow.

Starting point is 00:48:14 And then it was just all the freaks from Hollywood would converge. It was just such. Stevie Nicks, everyone. Well, it was like more, it was porn stars occasionally, you know, people would come and Sam would have to, you know, put on it like he was a good guy show for him. I remember, you know, one time, like, I was such a fucking cocky dick. Like one time in the kitchen, like, they Clapton and Phil Collins had come to see Sam. Wow.

Starting point is 00:48:40 And I don't give a fuck about Collins. But Clapton a little bit. A little, but not much. You know. What? Eric Clapton? Yeah. Yeah, but he's Eric Clapton, but like, I'm a guitar player, so I have him in a certain place.

Starting point is 00:48:54 Okay. I tend to play more like him than I want to, but I, whatever. So he's back there. James Taylor, would you, James Taylor is somebody that would you be impressed by him? I interviewed him. Okay. He's a lot darker than you think. Is it, yeah.

Starting point is 00:49:08 What is fire and rain meeting? Dude, full on depressive junkie for years. Couldn't get out from under it, dude. Couldn't get out from under it. Isn't that Clapton's story too? Yeah, but like Clapton. Dark, dark guy. Yeah, I guess, but why does he play?

Starting point is 00:49:22 He's kind of a hack. You know, I love this. Clapton is a hack. I love that. A blues hack, yeah, a bit. Wow. I mean, he had been pretty good phrasing and, but I think that his best work, oddly was with like John Mayall and the blues breakers, the first band he was in when he first

Starting point is 00:49:36 realized, like, if I just crank this, I can still play these old dumb blues licks and sound like a genius. So, wow. What? I love you. He'll cop to that. Joe Bonamassa. Bonamassa is a savant, but I don't know who he is. Do you?

Starting point is 00:49:51 No, but that's kind of why I like him. But you think he keeps him, he keeps himself hidden in an order for us to not find out. No, I just think he's a sort of like naturally gifted guitar player. Yeah. Who can play the fuck out of anything. And he's a good mimic. And he's like, you know, he can play like anybody. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:50:12 But like, I don't, if you can fake feeling. Who do I believe? You know, you got to figure like Freddie King can only play Freddie King. And when Freddie King plays Freddie King, you're like, holy fuck. This guy's really in it. So Bonamasa can play exactly like Freddie King.

Starting point is 00:50:30 I'm like, yeah, but you're not Freddie King. It sounds right. Right. But the feeling's not there. Right. Well, who makes sense? Yeah, who's your God then? Who's the guitar god?

Starting point is 00:50:41 Well, that's a good question. Or who are the gods, plural then? Who are the three gods? If there's a little Mount Rushmore, a little whatever, who three or four gods? In terms of guitar playing? Yeah. Hendricks? Look, you know, in terms of blues, you know, I'll go with those old guys.

Starting point is 00:50:57 You know, I like Freddie and I like Albert and I like, who else do I listen to? His name, too, man. But I like Helen Wolf. I like his guitarist, Hubert Sumlin. I like, uh, what? He's just deep, tuck, cut. I'm sorry. Any of these fucking Albert Humes?

Starting point is 00:51:15 Albert King Albert King was Stevie Ray's guy You know Albert King He was Stevie Ray's guy You do Yeah yeah And Freddie King

Starting point is 00:51:22 Like was pretty Pretty great He's Kaptan's guy But I like I like dirty shit I like houndog Taylor Oh wow I mean I like dirty

Starting point is 00:51:31 fucking blues I'm a big Keith Richards guy And he's not really a lead player But I love him Yeah I like Hendricks a lot I mean you can listen to Hendricks That stuff's crazy

Starting point is 00:51:39 It's still stick But he's doing buddy It's so funny I saw buddy guy You know Because, you know, Hendrix got a lot of buddy guy in him. And it was just, it was, it was very funny. When I saw a buddy guy in Junior Wells when I was in college in Cambridge,

Starting point is 00:51:54 they were both shit-faced. It was second show. And buddy was like, you like, you like Hendricks. I'll show you Hendricks. And he's just started doing these looks. I'm like, holy shit, those are your licks, you know. But Hendricks was a genius. You don't like pop bands then?

Starting point is 00:52:08 Like when Nirvana came about, did you like it? That's pop. No, I like Nirvana. Sure. Okay, okay. Oh, yeah. I listen to popular music. Well, they became very popular.

Starting point is 00:52:16 Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no, I listen to all the music, dude. I'm a big giggy pop fan. Okay, good. Yeah. Did you ever find yourself? I used to listen to, like, I was listening to Skinnerd the other day. I grew up in New Mexico, dude.

Starting point is 00:52:27 So I had to. All right, dude. But I knew a guy at a record store who was like one of these like weirdo art guys, Steve Leroo. And he turned me on onto all the sort of art rock stuff and Bowie. But on the radio, you were Skinnered and all that other shit. So I'm pretty well versed in all of it. What do I go back?

Starting point is 00:52:43 to the most. I think I honestly, I listen to more stones than, stones more than anything. Well, I go back to the Mott. ACDC. Huge Angus Young fan. He's definitely one of my guys. Okay. Angus Young on the lead guitar. And a fucking performer, no less. But you can't beat that guy. And his licks are just straight up blues wicks, but man, he's the, he's one of the best. Good performer. Fuck it. Yeah, yeah. Great guitar. Did you find yourself ever liking John Pryne or no? Yeah, sure. I like John Prine. I could see you liking him. Oh, he's good. I interviewed him. Great guy. Because I feel like he's kind of your style

Starting point is 00:53:16 of guy where he doesn't... Clever. He's clever. No, no. That's not what I would say. I would say no, he just doesn't give a fuck if it feels like it's supposed to be the right way. If it's like, I'll do it my way. He does it his way and some of his

Starting point is 00:53:32 songs are fucking great. Angel from Montgomery. Why don't you end your podcast? Sorry about that, Mark. Oh, let's get back to what we started. Yeah, let's go with the original stuff. I don't know what. I drifted from it.

Starting point is 00:53:46 It's just like John Prine, this and that, feeling. I don't know about that. Well, we're just chatting. I don't like it. Let's go to what you. But the thing with Joe, the thing with Joe. Yeah. Is I don't know that we have a lot to talk about because of my, you know, my idea of what he's done to comedy.

Starting point is 00:54:04 Sure. And I don't think it's great. I think that it's tribalized. And I think that, you know, he's created a sort of army of people. people that think they know comedy, but they only know a specific thing. And what they think is good is not necessarily good. It may be what they're like, what they like. But on the outside of that, most of this sort of sensitive weirdos that we all grew up with in comedy have been sort of pushed aside and the space for them has become limited. And it's a little...

Starting point is 00:54:33 There was a time, though, that alt comedy was the... Not all comedy. I'm not even talking about the alt people. I'm talking about just like interesting stand-ups. Right. You know, weirdos. Yeah. Like Brent Weinbach has a great special. Sure. I think he's so weird. Joe Mandy. Yeah, Joe Mandy. You know, and now it's like kind of this, you know, there's this cultural idea of what comedy is.

Starting point is 00:54:54 Is there a world? And I understand what you're, I get your perspective. Yeah. Is there a world where both these things exist and it doesn't fucking matter. They do. So this is what I always say. Like, I get that you don't like that world. That's part of why I love you because you're like, fuck that and you'll shit on it. And that's what's great about comedy. There's some good comics in there.

Starting point is 00:55:12 And there is a lot of middle section. There's a lot. I believe that we all exist in the same world. And it doesn't matter as my point. I get why you. It's not all on him. No, no. The culture has changed.

Starting point is 00:55:23 Right. And I don't necessarily think for the better. But it's changed in a lot of ways in that, look, you know, there are comics that only drive clips. And that, you know, we do crowdwork. And they don't care if they do other people's jokes because the traction is with the clip. And what they don't realize, I think, and what a lot of people don't realize, is that you're just you're you're the you're the internet's bitch you're the platform's bitch so in the sense that if you're not able to fucking confidently do an hour without worrying about

Starting point is 00:55:54 getting quips so you can get people come see you to do crowd work yeah what are you really what is your voice who do you work for you'd like to think you're working for yourself yeah but you're just a platform bitch who doesn't really need to find who they are up there do anything interesting at all that's a problem yeah so and the bigger problem about what you're saying I think we all still do exist, but the nature of the comedy business is fragmented and some of it's tribalized. But there used to be a lot more weirdos around who were kind of exciting and interesting and took it a different place. I would argue with just talky talk comedy, there's not that many people bringing it to a different place, dude. Right. Well, there's some good ones that,

Starting point is 00:56:33 like, I think that kid, Casey Rock, it's really entertaining and fun and different and unique. I think they're there, right? I think the problem is you were, there's so much. sludge. There's so much shit. There's way more noise than we've ever fucking seen. So it's hard to appreciate or even care because all that's really being shown is kind of the constant like, give it to him, give it to him, give it to him, give it to him. So I get. I'm tired of the attitude. I thought you were going to say violence in this country. No, no, no, no, no, no. I'm tired. They come up back to L.A. One guy, I want to name his name and go, oh, you seem like you're thriving. He goes, I'm killing it. Killing it. Yeah, I mean? And I'm like, whoa, whoa,

Starting point is 00:57:12 oh dude, you moved out because you couldn't survive here. Yeah. This is a different... It's an animal. It's an animal. Well, I think the weirdos you're referring to, by the way, we're birthed, and I defend this to I'm fucking blue in the face, we're burst at the comedy store.

Starting point is 00:57:25 Wow. I think the biggest mistake that's made whenever I go back east is, you know, the New York guys that I have very close friends out there, they all they make fun of the store and blah, blah, blah, blah for all the years. And I'm always like, dude, you'll never find a bigger group of fucking lunatic all over the mappers. When I started, when I moved here in 06, it was Wackadoo Central. The late nights were fucking insane. In fact, the front patio, you were like, is this illegal?

Starting point is 00:57:50 Do these people live here? Yeah, this is crazy. And I think I always push it. I was like, people don't know that about the store. They think they hear this like corporate bro bro bro. And that happens internally in L.A. a lot too where they're like, the store is a fucking, you know, whatever, sellout factory of fucking bro comics. Not anymore.

Starting point is 00:58:07 No, but there was a wash of it that came through. And I think. Yeah, Joe. They moved to Austin. No, I think, I think even, I think even, even up to a few years, even when I was starting out, and the Largo guys or the East Side guys, if I go to East Side shows, they would make fun of me going back, because I had a lot of good friends that were East Side guys. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:58:26 And we started together. That's because they couldn't cut it at the story. I know, but they still would hate on me for going. They'd go, they'd be like, why the fuck you go in there, Santino? It's all fucking loop. And I hate it because I was like, you don't get it. That place is diverse and insane and weird. But the bottom line is, you got to do the job.

Starting point is 00:58:40 You got to do the job. You don't got to do the job. Right. You got a bunch of like-minded people that'll sort of watch you worm your way through a personal story that goes nowhere. Right. And find, you know, love. The whole issue, whatever alternative comedy was, it didn't deliver the goods because

Starting point is 00:58:58 it ain't around anymore. And that weird argument, it wasn't that alternative comics were open micers. They were just trying to do something different. Right. But if you're brought up with the working ethic of like, you know, you open, you middle, you headline and then you fucking do the job that that wasn't the same sense of of purpose so when you do the store and the reason why I've never stopped doing it and I was always a club comic from the beginning but you're like blade though you live in both world that's right well I help build

Starting point is 00:59:25 the alternative world in New York but but I'm just saying there's some comments like you that do both sure I wonder why I mean there's you I think Zach lives in both Gafflanacus Pat and Oswald lives in both yeah but some of them don't live in both well some of them don't with anywhere anymore. I'm not sure what they're doing. They're back on that couch, baby. But the truth is, is that, like, in my mind, it's like you've got to be able to do the job for whoever. Right. So, like, the idea, and sometimes at the store, it's hard. It's not always easy at the store. No, there's tough, tough. And there's a lot of times where most of the room

Starting point is 00:59:56 doesn't know who the fuck I am, but that's the job. Right. I mean, you know, I do have my, my people and I go do theaters and stuff. Of course. But you want to go put yourself through the, I still have that weird ethic. It's like, because a lot of people are like, why would you go the store anymore. I'm like, I don't know. Because I got to do the job. Yeah. And it's a way to make, to know whether shit really works. If you can make it work over there.

Starting point is 01:00:19 Yeah. It's going to work anywhere. I think that's it. I think everyone that got successful with a store that became a store person or store name. Yeah. They have that like unrelenting. I have to be a comedian. I have to do it. Yeah. Like even when wives and girlfriends and friends are like, what are you going to do a, you're going to the fucking now?

Starting point is 01:00:38 Yeah. That's why I don't have any. of those things. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you want transition to stick? Real fast. Yeah. Well, just because I can even tell you what it is. Go ahead.

Starting point is 01:00:48 He was a very masterful golf player. I know. You do? I do. I know he's a good golf player. He's also a great bowler. He's good at everything. Yeah, he's like he's got all those white guys sports down.

Starting point is 01:00:57 Right, right, right, he does. Right. I have some of the black ones. No. And he's also, I don't know if you know this. Yeah. Great actor. Okay, that's not.

Starting point is 01:01:06 That part's not. I think you are. No, I think you are. We've talked about this story. You're a great actor. Yeah, yeah, but anyway. He should have gotten something instead. Yeah, but it has nothing to do with you. I kept telling them. You know, where's Andrew?

Starting point is 01:01:17 They kept saying, no thanks, no thanks, no thanks. I was mad. We saw the show Stick. It's a great show. It's on Apple. Of course, our good friend Mark Marin is on it. You wouldn't have played my part, though. No. No, no, no, no, no. You would have played Owen's part. That was a tough self. Yeah. I think it was attached early. Yeah, it was either me or Owen, basically.

Starting point is 01:01:34 No. There's no other part. The joke is there's no other parts. It's a young, it's Owen and a young child in him. It's like a fucking, how was it? You could have easily done Timothy O'Othant's role. Yeah, fuck you, Timothy. And you could have, uh, you could have done the kid's dad's role, too. Who's that?

Starting point is 01:01:51 What's his name? I forget the actor. He's great, but I mean, I'm just thinking like you could have done those. Thanks a lot. Yeah. Recommend. I'm the only, I'm the only fucking comedian that, me and Nate Bargasi, the only comedian's that golf.

Starting point is 01:02:01 It's so funny. I sent Nate a picture of me and, uh, and I don't even know the guy's name. This is going to piss me. fuck off, I bet. Yeah. It'd be a guy that I like. Well, I'm sure you like him. The fact that I can't remember his name is not great, but hold on me see if I can find it.

Starting point is 01:02:15 Holy shit, I know that him and I talk. So happy Gilmore, too, you should have got a real golf part in that, too. Yeah, why didn't you get a role in that? Not going to say anything bad right now if Sandow was listening. Okay. Thank you, Adam. Thank you for everything. As if Adam would ever fucking hear this.

Starting point is 01:02:28 No. You know what's so funny? He might. He's got his finger on the pulse. He's pretty, he's not listening to our show. He's pretty good, though. Adam knows. He's so good.

Starting point is 01:02:35 Adam knows. He's smart. I'll be honest with you. I thought that last special that Josh Safty directed was one of the best things I've ever seen. Yeah, fact. It was like, and nobody watched it. And it was so weird and it was so clear that he had an agreement with Adam to be like, I'm going to do some shit during the show.

Starting point is 01:02:52 Yeah. He's just going to react to it. Well, the special before that got a lot of love because it was more. Oh, that's Kalamorakawa. Yeah. So I sent that picture to Nate. And Nate says, this is my happiest day. Oh, that's.

Starting point is 01:03:05 I never in a million years thought I would say. see this fiction. You with Kalamorkau is so funny. And Kalamorakow, of course, is a human. Asian. Yeah, Asian. He's like you, bud. Damn it. I got it right. Just like you big guy. It's like if you got a photo with Tyrionri or something. It would change your life. It would piss me off. Yeah. God, I hope I do. He's one of the greatest French soccer players of all time. Yeah, I'm not a sports guy in any way. I'm just saying if you had, I know that. Well, golf's not a sport. It's an activity. But I mean, I'm athletic, but I don't do it. Yeah, we get it. Okay. Okay.

Starting point is 01:03:37 He has been working out a lot more than usual. I know. Look at your legs. I thought we were cutting down on the zins though. We're not. No. The no is, no, we're not. And we're not going to. Now I'm starting to see them all around my yard because I don't even spit them in the right.

Starting point is 01:03:52 I'm just like, you know you got a problem where you're like, is that a zin? Under my pillow? My buddy told me. Why did it end your podcast? Time out. Hold on. Yeah. Stick sink.

Starting point is 01:04:02 Yeah. We're going to get there. The interesting thing. Am I a bad interviewer? No. No, no, no, no, no. No, no, no. I'll be honest with you.

Starting point is 01:04:07 about the stick casting for me. Yeah. Is that like, okay, so I get offered that role of Mitz. And it's the role of a caddy. So I immediately said, like, I read some of the scripts. I'm like, I don't know anything about golf. And they were, and I was basically saying, no, I can't do it. I don't want to do it.

Starting point is 01:04:25 And they're like, doesn't matter. And I'm like, okay, but, you know, I have a podcast. I can't do it. And they're like, no, we'll figure it out. And I'm like, okay. And I kept telling them I couldn't do it. but ultimately what became appealing was a couple of things

Starting point is 01:04:39 that if I want to act I should do it you know what I mean? Yeah. The business is so anemic now if you get an offer and you say no you're like all right well then we're then you shouldn't do anything. Right because this is it.

Starting point is 01:04:50 Yeah, it's one of them. Yeah. But the thing that was appealing to me was outside of the event, I don't really need to play golf in it. No. But the the friendship between two guys who are sad for very deep reasons

Starting point is 01:05:02 and have stuck by each other for this long through thick and thin and through these emotional cycles well that was kind of compelling to me to be able to play that and I and I thought I could play that and the nature of a caddy is it like fundamentally codependent I mean you're there to to service the dude yep so that dynamic with Owen I thought was really interesting and could be kind of touching and that was really what drove me to it and I learned enough about golf to to sell it but it wasn't on me to carry the golf of that show. Pun intended,

Starting point is 01:05:36 carry as a cat. Yeah, you didn't have to carry the golf of the show. But it didn't matter because, honestly, like anything else. He got a straight offer, bro. What's that?

Starting point is 01:05:43 Straight offer. Can I finish the thing with him and I? So we can have a good, you know what I mean? A good rapport out of it? In the middle of the thing. Am I a bad interviewer to the guys in the booth?

Starting point is 01:05:53 No, you're the best. Anyway. It's a conversation, Bob. Okay. Yeah. Ask away. Whatever else. Go ahead.

Starting point is 01:06:00 No, no. We were going to tie it up. Tie it up. Put a button in it. Yeah. Put in it. You see a button in it. You see how good he is at the thing?

Starting point is 01:06:06 On it. Yeah. It's good. It's good. I think this whole comedy team thing works for you guys. And it really does. It does. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:06:13 We're not, we don't, we're our own little ships. And nobody wants to be on this boat, by the way. Like when people say like, you know, those worlds have been kind of, I don't want to say, like, corporatized or whatever, eaten alive by other bigger things. Yeah. And Bobby sometimes will say, how come nobody wants to buy our show? Yeah. And I'll say, buddy, we don't, we're not really sellable. We're not really like. No, but you thank God because now you just run your own ship and cash your own checks. Whenever someone says,

Starting point is 01:06:43 this is kind of funny, we don't ever have politics on the show. We never do it because we just are like, that's not for us. Go over there. Yeah. I don't like it on this show. And we had a few offers of like people, politicians wanted to come on the show. None of the big ones. Yeah. But anyway. I only did a sitting president. Yeah. I know. We remember. But it was unfortunate because it was the what it was the black one it was the black one yeah you said it not me i you're the one take it away mark it was great no he was fucking amazing it's one of the best interviews of all time no but i said i said we shouldn't have politicians on you know he obviously agreed he's like yeah i don't want that shit on here and then i also thought had they seen this show this is not yeah yeah but that's the thing they don't

Starting point is 01:07:22 give a fuck all they want is your audience that's right that's what that's because politicians will talk right through you right they don't give a shit they're not they're going to say what they're and you know And you can say whatever you want and they'll be like, yes, but I'm going to say this now. Right. I'm going to say what I want to say. Yeah. And also, why did you quit your podcast? That's Bobby's question.

Starting point is 01:07:41 I know, but Bobby, go ahead and ask it. Well, because, I texted you, didn't I? And what did I say? He said, it was very nice. Yeah. He said, congratulations. I said, thank you, Podfather. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:07:52 And look in the future. Yeah. Did I say anything? No, you fucking did. Of course you didn't text. No, you were like, why? Yeah, that's all. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:07:59 Yeah. Why? I'll tell you why I was mystified by it. Is that right the word? Sure. That works. Yeah, I love when he tries. It did work, but I love it.

Starting point is 01:08:08 If it were the 40s, you guys would be the best team. Because you'd be like, what, Bobby? You'd be like, all right. Don't you think we're a good throwback to old comedy teams? That wasn't even an Asian thing. No. That was just a tone. It sounded like Asian.

Starting point is 01:08:21 No, it was just a, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. I've heard villagers say that. We are like a good comedy duo from the old days. Totally. Of like the old stupid wakadoo. You're the straight guy and he's the wacky guy. Right.

Starting point is 01:08:32 Yeah. Classic. You're like Marty Allen. Go ahead, wacky guy. Hello there. That's Marty Allen. Hello there. See, that was racist.

Starting point is 01:08:41 Do you see what he did? Yeah, I see what this is now. Yeah. No, no, that's a team up. It's an old school team up. It's a team I'm up. Go ahead, Bobby. Let's be serious.

Starting point is 01:08:49 So let's be serious for a second. Because you've had, I think, the best guess, I mean, you can imagine. Thank you. You've had Leo. Right, Brad Pitt. Barack Obama. Yep. In that order, by the way.

Starting point is 01:09:02 It goes Leo, Brad Pitt, Barack Obama. One of the best moments of the podcast, we had Barack Obama on and then President Obama. And then me and my producer did a sort of post talk about what it was like to have the president on. And people were like, who are you going to put on after that? And we're like, I think Rich Boss. Wow, wow, wow. Rich Ross very funny. Little drop, though.

Starting point is 01:09:24 The best. A little drop from the president of the United States. States. Voss is so funny. I've known him forever. He's so funny. I knew him when I was starting out in Boston. He used to come up from New York. And back then he had like this Jerry Curl Italian ponytail. Little Italian horn necklace. But he was always something. But it was so funny. I had a great interaction with him. Because he knows Norton. And I'm, you know, I'm friends with Norton. I haven't talked to Norton in a while. And I saw Voss at the comedy store. And I'm like, how's Jimmy doing? Is Jimmy doing all right? How I heard from him? And he goes, Jimmy's great. Like, got a beautiful wife with a huge cop. All true. All true. Yeah, yeah. Why'd you make the decision?

Starting point is 01:10:06 Your hair looks good, buddy. Please stop. It does. Stop with this. You know what guy? Oh, boy. Oh, boy. You're misreading me again.

Starting point is 01:10:15 No, I'm not missing reading. Yes, you are. You always think that I'm like, you know, condescending or I'm busting your balls. I'm being honest. Oh, it's because of the history we once had. Yeah, but at one point you didn't like me. No, that's not true. That was all in your head.

Starting point is 01:10:26 Okay. At one point, he doesn't like every. That's not true. But then he learns to like you a little bit. I'm just guarded. It's not that I don't like. You've never had a point where you didn't like him or you didn't like me. I never didn't like you.

Starting point is 01:10:38 I never didn't like you. There we go. That's how he does it. That's how he does it. That's how he does it. All right. Good. I didn't know you either.

Starting point is 01:10:44 I treat you like shit. And here's the problem. I would argue that I didn't treat you like shit. I may have come off as a lot of people think arrogant. But it's not. I'm just like I'm just guarded. Right. Everybody thinks it.

Starting point is 01:10:57 May it be true? You know me now. I do. Yeah, yeah. I love you. I'm a pretty softy guy. Great, great guy. But here's the problem.

Starting point is 01:11:04 Once you get the key to me. But here's the problem, Mark. Yes, that is to be true. The problem is losers like us. No. Yeah, we fucking loved you through it because we were like, I still really like him and I really want him to like me. But I don't think he likes me.

Starting point is 01:11:18 And we did that. And we all did that. Although I was so, did I tell you about Oklahoma City? No. I'm shooting the Green Day movie in Oklahoma City. Yeah. I'm at the hotel. I'm at the day off.

Starting point is 01:11:27 and I'm coming out of my hotel room and from afar I see the back of his head but I thought there's no way that's not wearing he turns around and it was the most exciting I was excited

Starting point is 01:11:42 I speed ran toward you it was unbelievable yeah well he was doing a show there I was stuck in a hotel yeah it was a great meeting it was great

Starting point is 01:11:50 but he had the other times when he didn't look at you in the hallway and he was away you remember those days yeah well I think that you didn't like my style of comedy. I'm a, I'm very needy on stage. I use little tricks. I am not very new. Who isn't

Starting point is 01:12:03 needy on stage? Yeah, I use tricks on stage that you wouldn't, you know what I mean, do? Let's be honest. What are some of the tricks? Right? Just like, you know, it's not a Mark Merritt trick that you do. Like, kiss people on the lips. You do. Different things like, you know. Pew shot. Yeah, show the belly. Show the belly. Show the belly. Little tricks that, but I want you to know that once you guys, anybody, any comic, once you figure out. You the trick of me and you figure out how to bust my balls. It's over. Yeah, it is.

Starting point is 01:12:30 I don't believe that. I believe you softened. No, no, no. No, he's saying there's a, look, dude, he's saying. He's softened. He's saying, there's a fucking code and you got to get to the code. Once you get the, you know what it is in video game? Like, once you found out where that extra thing was in Mario and you're like, I know

Starting point is 01:12:45 how to get that fucking thing. Oh, right, right, right. But it looked threatening it hard. Yeah, yeah. You jump on the mushroom, you get to the thing. Then you can do. We got the thing. Then you get it.

Starting point is 01:12:54 That's what it really is. That's what it really is. Doesn't that make sense? Yeah, it does. Yeah. And you got to get there. But also when I knew you, right, it was like, I knew you when WTF was new. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:13:06 Even before when you were married to me from him. Yeah. Right. Weird. What are you fucking do. I think maybe it was a secret or something. I'm through it. You're through it.

Starting point is 01:13:17 Yeah, yeah. I'm okay with it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Which, you know, I have feelings about. But, yeah, but I knew when you weren't as successful. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:13:26 And, you know, the reason why you were. You started WTF is because you were in a good place. Bad place. Very bad place. Yeah. And you were a little angry and sad. Yeah. Right.

Starting point is 01:13:34 And so I think that once you got through the divorce. Yeah. You know, right? And, oh. Right. Yeah. And then, you know, WTF started taking off. Then you were getting TV spots and you were all the things that you deserved. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:13:50 Okay. And then you softened. Well, I softened with age and I softened with a lot of stuff. But yeah. But I, but also the. the primary intention of WTF at the beginning was to sort of settle these scores of people that either I did have problems with or people had problems with me. And most of the time when I thought I had, you know, caused some trouble for somebody or they

Starting point is 01:14:10 didn't like me. They didn't even know what I was talking about. And I'd be, you know, I'd bring up these events and be like, oh, yeah, okay, I guess. And it was like I had decided somehow that I was an outsider of the community. You're not. And no, I'm not. But, but I'm crazy. Okay.

Starting point is 01:14:29 So that's true. You're a leader. Wow. Yeah, you are. You're a leader in the community. You're one of the forefathers. But you're also crazy. You're crazy.

Starting point is 01:14:36 It just lines up. Yeah, yeah. A little bit. All right. So say it. I know, so say it. What? What?

Starting point is 01:14:42 Why did I stop? Just why? Why are you done? Why? Oh. Well, the truth is like we've been doing it 16 years. And, you know, when we set out to do it, it was not, there was no money to be made. It was really just an,

Starting point is 01:14:55 active trying to create something, you know, honest and interesting. And it evolved over time. And my producer and I were audio guys and he's a very specific type of producer. He spends a lot of time with these interviews. He crafts them. And over time, it developed a very personal style. And it was sort of a sort of the arc of my life and my engagement with these people. But it was ultimately a lot about me. And the thing about the show is that we've worked very hard at it. We never wanted to do video. It was never part of our thing. We're not content generators. We're not, we don't put things into the world to make money, really. And the fact was, it's three years ago. We got that deal with the platform. And it was something we deserved. And it was not a huge deal, but it was a good one.

Starting point is 01:15:45 It was a good one. And, you know, we got in under the wire on that. And, and, and, and, right before we took the platform deal, we were like, you know, we don't have to keep doing this. We've done an amazing thing. We've helped sort of create a foundation for this medium. We've created a style of doing it that a lot of people copped. And, you know, we're still operating at the quality has never shifted. The audience has never gone away. But it really becomes a question of like, how long do we need to do this?

Starting point is 01:16:15 And the arc of the deal with the platform is three years and it's coming up on that and we made our money in a way but it's it's it it becomes the I think the landscape is different you know we do what we do and people still do it come to it audio is a great thing but after a certain point it's like we've interviewed everybody and my producers like we're a little exhausted it's consumed our entire lives and we just thought like in terms of our our legacy why not just let it be done. You know, why do you want to end up like down the line having people going like, oh, Marin's still doing it?

Starting point is 01:16:56 Who the fuck needs that? Yeah. God, that's fucking wild. By the way, he gets regarded as an interviewer in public and you and I are at the airport and people go, Bobby's mom! That's what we hear. Yeah. You know what I also get?

Starting point is 01:17:07 The reason I'm doing a special is because podcasters come to see my show and then afterwards they go, wow, we didn't think you could do stand-up. I know. They never knew you did it. Yeah, I never even knew I did it. And that's the most important thing in our life. Yes. When's theirs coming out?

Starting point is 01:17:21 I shoot it in January. How long is it going to be? You know a headline on the road, Mark? How many openers you put? Two or three? No, no, no. Yeah, I do. Three or four.

Starting point is 01:17:40 Yeah. You have to understand something. I think you're fucking hilarious. Okay. And you don't believe that. You're doing a special. Oh, he doesn't want the attention. I don't want the attention.

Starting point is 01:17:49 Yeah. I shot a special New York. Yes. And I think it's one of the best I've done. Wow. Where is it at? I shot it at the Bam Harvey. It's like, it's in Brooklyn.

Starting point is 01:17:59 Okay. I was going to do it at Town Hall again, but I didn't, I didn't, I don't love that space. And I said, isn't it like an 800, 900 cedar anywhere in New York? You only did one show? No, I did two shows. Okay. But the theater is like this old theater from the early 1900s and they've maintained it, but they didn't restore it. So it almost has sort of a half a ruin theater.

Starting point is 01:18:17 feeling and they had this back wall that looked like a fucking piece of modern art and I'm like that wall is the whole thing we got to we got to make that part of it and the production design on it it's fucking genius wow the guy like the production design guys he saw the space and he wanted to integrate it and I'm of the mind that you can't really make those things look that much different than anything else no leave him alone but this guy was genius he goes I'm thinking ketsuki and I'm like I don't even know what the fuck that is so I google it and it's this ancient Japanese art of restoring ceramics with gold to

Starting point is 01:18:48 in the cracks. It's all any and I'm like all right well that sounds good. You just do that. So we just created this vibe that was amazing. I did a full fucking 73 minutes. I had it in my mind. 73.

Starting point is 01:19:01 Well they wanted an hour and like I believe this is what we work for and that's why I love HBO is because they they curate shit. Yeah. They're still producing good shit. Yeah. And they're like you're going to do an hour. And I'm like, yeah, I'm going to do an hour.

Starting point is 01:19:15 But then I was like, I think it should be 73. Because my last special was 73. So I got it in my head. That's what I could do. 73. And they were like, all right, fine, do it. And it's so fucked up. And I guess it's just a testament to how long I've been doing this.

Starting point is 01:19:32 Like, I had like an hour and 45 for the tour. And I knew a few weeks going into it that I had to get it down. And I just got the redundancies out. I found the callbacks. But I swear to God, both shows that I did that night, 73 minutes. Like on the fucking dot. Wow. No,

Starting point is 01:19:47 no cognizant of the time, you were just rolling. No. Wow. And I look at the clock and I'm closing at 73. I'm like, I know how to do this.

Starting point is 01:19:54 73 is phenomenal. Yeah. It's good though. And I just want to tell you guys. It's going to be on the HBO. HBO, it premiered August 1st. August 1st.

Starting point is 01:20:02 August 1st. August 1st. Go check it out. Yeah. What's it called? Panicked. Literally perfect. It's perfect.

Starting point is 01:20:10 And by the way, for the record, go see, watch Panicked right now on HBO. a great name is hard to find. We're trying to find his name for his special. Yeah, we'll figure it out later. No, give him, come on. Could you call it Bobby?

Starting point is 01:20:24 Yeah, that's good. With a lot of ease. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It was going to be called Trama Lama. Yeah, that's pretty good. Trauma is really good. AI generated that, unfortunately. We asked what AI thought it would be.

Starting point is 01:20:37 What's in the running, though, really? I have no idea. Well, no, we had a few. The Slep King. He likes. Trama Lama. chink in the armor I think that one's very funny

Starting point is 01:20:47 I do think that one's very funny AI came up with all these Yeah yeah Anyway watch marks What was the other one? Tiger Daddy Tiger Daddy Oh that's pretty good

Starting point is 01:20:57 Yeah yeah I think you should capitalize on You know the name of the These shows Yeah you should Yeah Well my nickname on Tiger But my other podcast

Starting point is 01:21:05 Is the Slept King Right Yeah The what king? The Slept king What is that? Slept? Yeah because I'm not woke

Starting point is 01:21:12 I'm the opposite It's too complicated. See what I'm, yeah, it's hard to get it. Yeah, yeah. It's hard to get it. Panicked, panicked on HBO. I see it, I get it. Okay.

Starting point is 01:21:20 And I'm sure you name that yourself. I did. We had a few things in the running, but I kind of stuck with that one. I'm like, let's just do this. What was the other one? Yeah. What was the other one? You don't have to clear it with HBO, right?

Starting point is 01:21:30 They don't care. No, you got to. Oh, you do? Yeah, and I, yeah, you definitely got to clear it with HBO. But we were going with one that I thought was too long, and now I can't even remember. Equanimity in the bird theory or whatever? Exactly. Yeah, I was, yeah, no, I just was, but it's really hard to find those one-word ones, and you kind of feel like you need to.

Starting point is 01:21:47 But there's so many of them had done already. Right, or it's, or it's, it's two words, but it's quick. It's got to be pop-up. Yeah. Yeah, it's got fast. Yeah, I can't remember the fucking other names. It's so crazy. Yeah. But when I got panicked, I'm like, this is it. Panicked is perfect.

Starting point is 01:22:00 Thank you. Panicked is perfect. Go see Panicked on HBO. All right, thanks. For those of our fans and friends. We love you. Yeah. We always say thank you for being a bad friend to the audience, and I want you to do it because it'll be a nice sign-off for us. thank you for being a bad friend

Starting point is 01:22:14 and that's it no don't cut him off that's it fuck you don't do more and I'll be honest with you these two guys are good friends and of mine

Starting point is 01:22:27 and if I was in a pinch I know I could call you the deal yeah yeah thank you we love you okay god wow that was

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