Bad Hasbara - The World's Most Moral Podcast - 104: Rachel Profiling, with The Deprogram

Episode Date: May 1, 2025

Matt and Daniel welcome Yugo, JT and Hakim from The Deprogram for a swing through Shael Ben-Efriam's sudden awakening to actual reality, followed by his immediate ejection from establishment zionist circles, and to discover whether an Israel-Palestine peace accord can be induced by an art form that's historically caused so much pain: boy band music.Please donate to the Sameer Project: https://chuffed.org/project/113222-tent-campaign-the-sameer-projectSee Matt and Francesca Fiorentini at Cobb’s in San Francisco May 7: http://bit.ly/mattfrancobbsSubscribe to The Deprogram: https://thedeprogram.org/Subscribe to the Patreon https://www.patreon.com/badhasbaraSubscribe/listen to Bad Hasbara wherever you get  your podcasts.Spotify https://open.spotify.com/show/5RDvo87OzNLA78UH82MI55Apple Podcasts https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/bad-hasbara-the-worlds-most-moral-podcast/id1721813926Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/bad-hasbara/donationsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

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Better to do that than to donate, than to subscribe to this podcast, that just better use of your money. So do that for us, please. Extra slot versus a warm feeling in your heart that you've helped save a life? Yeah, yeah, or at the very least made it, like, slightly more comfortable during a genocide. I feel like that's probably going to feel. better than listening to us do dick jokes about something terrible.

Uh, yeah, so do that. Like dicks. Yeah, right. Dick jokes about dicks. Mostly the, our dick jokes are just about dicks. We don't use it as a metaphor all that much. Um, Daniel Mante, I know you're still on the road. I am. But can you tell me what's the spin? Well, I'm on the road. Uh, here I am at a hotel near the Yellowstone River in Montana. Oh, that sounds so lovely. Once again, I'm not afraid of divulging my location, because by the time you hear this, I'll be long gone. And there are record stores along the way. What's that?

You're moving from bunker to bunker like Dick Cheney during the War on Terror. Now I'm in Montana. I'm going to find some children blood to drink. I don't know if they shoot them in the face. But there are record stores along the way. So I stopped in Idaho and in Montana. Got a few great ones. Wow.

the coup oh the coup hell yes genocide and juice yes appropriate yes yes very nice very nice not genocide and jews no although although they have accused i was really excited to find this one for some reason i didn't think it was available on vinyl it is this is peter gabriel's soundtrack to the last temptation of christ oh shit i had no idea that that's a peter Mostly instrumental music, yeah. That's a Peter Gabriel soundtrack? It is. It's one of the rare Martin Scorsese movies

where Robbie Robinson wasn't involved. Wow. Interesting. Yeah. Or at least he's done a lot of music supervision for... Right. For Scorsese. But yeah, it's a beautiful album. Then also on the Jesus tip,

the musical Godspell. Okay. Yeah. I believe like there were a lot of second city people involved in early versions of it. I think Andrea Martin and maybe Eugene Levy, like there was a Toronto incarnation of it and a lot of those guys were involved. Is God Spell a comedy? No, but it's sort of an exuberant, uh, upbeat retelling of, uh, of aspects of the Bible.

I don't, and I don't even know if it's like specifically Jesus, but it's, I don't actually know much about it. Yeah, that's interesting. I've never, I've never seen it. I don't know it. Written by Stephen Schwartz, who wrote Wicked. Oh, shit. But one of this very, very early shows, maybe his first. Maybe.

And then finally, I had to get this one. Oh, Lord, John Wayne, America, why I love her. That is, I did not know he put out an album. Yeah, he did. There are, there are tracks like, why I love her, the hyphen, my roots are buried here, face the flag, why are you marching, son, the pledge of allegiance, and an American boy grows up. And there's a big, like, there's a little inscription here by John Wayne about the importance

of America to him. So I'm looking forward to, I someday hope to be a sample artist. I would love to, you know, make sample-based music, and there's going to be some great samples on that. You know, it's just so funny that he put out an album, and it's like, you're an actor. You're not actually a cowboy. Well, William Shadner has albums.

Leonard Nimoy has albums. Right, but William Shadner's albums weren't about, you know, fucking green women in space. You know, like, he's not actually a fucking, Like the idea But John Wayne really believed in this stuff I know he believed in it But Christ with the fucking

You know It's like he was like sort of like The proto what we have now Of everyone cosplaying a fucking cowboy It's just like No you don't actually have to be a cowboy To dress like one You just have to love America

And wear a big hat Yeah That's great I would love to let I'm gonna see if I can find that one on Spotify Yeah I don't know if it's there But yeah I don't know

I don't mind giving him a few percentages of a penny for every listen. He's dead now. Who even owns his estate? His roots are buried here. That's right. That's the spin. That's some wonderful music that you yourself could listen to or not. At the very least, we know Daniel is.

Before we introduce our guests, just a quick hit, a little bit of content, just to wet your whistle. So this is from Max Blumenthal. He just posted this. Apparently, a former senator named Norm Coleman said this very interesting thing at the Jerusalem JNS Policy Summit. JNS, what is it, Jewish National Services, let's guess. Yeah, I don't know what it is. What is JNS that is the Jewish New Syndicate? There we go. Good. See, this is why I'm a journalist. I Google sometimes. He was calling on the

Jewish tech industry CEOs to counteract Gen Z's growing support for Palestine. So Coleman apparently was the warm-up act for Netanyahu who came out. But this is just like one of those one of those things that you see that you can't help but go at this point we I think as a community have just fully embraced

anti-Semitic tropes as very real things and can't be all that helpful to us now during to distract eight year old excuse me eight day old Jewish males during their brist they just give them a tiny globe to hold

so that their hands don't get in the way if the boy's work. Exactly. Just hold on to this globe with one hand and maybe give, I don't know, give them some money in the other hand. Okay, but we're jumping ahead. All right, here we go. Let's like people know what we mean.

Here it is. Here's the video. A majority of Gen Z have an unfavorable impression of Israel. And my friends, I think the reason of that is that we're losing the digital war. They're getting their information from TikTok and heck, whatever it is, and we're losing that war. And when you think about it, the masters of the universe are Jews. You know, we've got...

What? Oh, yeah, we've got Zuckerberg. We've got Sergei Bryn. We've got a group across the board, Jan Combs, you know, founded WhatsApp. It's us. I have a... Ha!

We are the masters of the universe. Hebe man and the masters of the universe. Just how do you go up and go, you know, guys, we're losing this, this PR war and we shouldn't be because we control the media. I don't think it's out of the left feel. I'm not telling tales out of school to say that we. Not telling tales out of Yashima. How do you shiva to say we, as, you know, the Jews, we run stuff.

So what the hell? Like, how, how do you, at this point, what's even the point of anti-Semitic tropes anymore? If they're just going to be used by, you know, proponents of the state of Israel, fucking age. But we're going to run this globe tonight. Oh, my fucking God. So Norm, I had to look this up. I was, Norm Coleman, uh, is, he is Jewish. Yeah, his paternal grandfather changed his name from Goldman. I, I love that. Because at first I was like, Coleman, that's not, that's not a, that's not,

that's not a, that's, then yes, he, he, uh, he, uh, he was a senator. He lost to, I believe Adam, uh, producer Adam said it was, uh, it was Al Franken. Yeah. Um, he lost to Stuart Smalley. Yes, he lost to Stuart Smalley. He was, uh, you know, gosh darn it, people didn't really like him. But that's fine because he uh you know went into lobbying went into all of the other things that uh the you know revolving door of washington does but it's good that he's landed on doing anti-semitism but positively that's where we're at that's where we're at we wanted you to be elders of zion we wanted you to be elders of zion we wanted you to control the banks isn't that right you're emotionally damaged jewishly thank you rabbi um yeah

So that is, hey, that's the state of things. And now it is time to introduce our wonderful guests. You know them from the great podcast, The D program. Ladies and gentlemen and everyone else, welcome the hosts of the D program. You go, JT, and Hakey. Let's go. Hello, hello. What a, it's the collab.

We're having us Masters of the Universe. Yes, yes. Are you Jews? I don't know. I'm calling you my master's. Oh, thank you. I am not to toot my horn, but I am from the country with the longest continuous up until the 50s existence of a Jewish diaspora. So there must be somewhere up in the line somewhere.

Yeah. So you'll probably have some like masters like blood. Exactly right. The difference is also I'm actually a Samite, unlike these Europeans. Excuse me? Gallifers are coming out. You're saying I'm not from the Middle East. Is that what you're saying?

Hey, you might be. You might be. But Mr. Coleman? I'm not sure. Mr. Scottish, Irish, God knows, whatever American blend. That's me too. That's the thing. That's my herring.

We're changing your name from goal. like you're moving from gold to coal yeah yeah i mean it's it's it's it's i like it too because it's uh it's something i mean this is not uh something that was that strange at that time when people were like uh new immigrants from americas a lot of people changed their name and uh one side of my family uh are kramers and they added like an extra a um oh no i'm sorry they took away uh like one of the letters to make it seem, it's still Kramer, but it's spelled more angloly, apparently.

It's not Kramer. Yeah, yeah, it's spelled Kramer. Oh, okay. But yeah, it's, it is just very funny. Like Coleman also sounds like, you know, I don't know. Actually, it makes sense that it's spelled Kramer because you are half and half. That's true. Oh, my God.

That was good. You guys should enjoy that. That's going to be the podcast. That's quality. That's quality here. You've had us on your show. You know how we do here. Absolutely.

And you know us as well. But half and half. Okay. So to be members of the Master League or whatever, rulers of the universe, how big of a percentage are we talking? So like if Khakim has like three, four percent, is he allowed in? Is it 15? Is it 25? Well, how much does he love Israel?

That's the thing, though. Like a bit less. Are you going to include the bit that I, that I was, when you made me test the audio, are you going to include that? yeah we'll add that at the end just like just so you know before the podcast he was saying some arabic words about israel that i did not understand but i knew someday we will do a compilation of all of our guests pre-tape yeah bloopers and cancel real yeah it'll be a massive you know content you know content it'll be a content nuke yeah yeah there you go we'll content nuke

all our bridges that's right blooper whatever happened to bloopers man whatever happened so much fun yeah i know i don't even want to see movies anymore i just want to see them fucking up and laughing that's what i say oh actually completely derailing and just on that note i remember when i was younger i mean you guys remember it for sure the toy story movie for some reason at the end of that they have bloopers but it's an animated movie as if they're shot it's cute but also as a kid i I was like, what the fuck? It's real! It's real!

This is bullshit. Sorry, sorry, please take it away. No, let's change it to a toy story podcast. By the way, if anyone goes and sees sinners, which you should, it's great. Stay through the credits. Is there a blooper reel? No, there isn't. Damn.

Doesn't that have like 100% of Rotten Tomatoes? It's fantastic, yeah. I mean, I don't know that 100% of it works, but, but it's so ambitious and so over the top in its imagination and it's great. I got to check it out. It looks good. I'm going to watch it. My birthday's

coming up at the end of the week and so I think I'm going to I think I'm going to go see it for my birthday. Nice. Finally turning 25. So the program, tell me how did a Slav and a Rocky and a southern gentleman get together and try to take down America. It was the American.

Well, you see, both our countries were bombed by one of them. Really, I was doing an apology tour, and then these two guys were like, hey. It was like, okay, I got to pay reparations, but I don't have money. So I will help you produce a really good show. These foreigners. And then you'll take absolutely all of the, all of the income. And it's been going really well. I mean, three years in, I still have no idea why J.T. does it.

Like, that room that he's in, it's actually a garage. Me and Hakeem, in a respective developing countries, we are in a literal mansion while J.T. still, I think by year six, JT's reparations will have been paid, and he can have like 5%. I think that's respectable, yeah. Look, I'm still in the listening and learning phase. well that's good I'm letting him keep his curls for now thanks partner

well I appreciate JT that you sit your white ass down and listen and that's that's what this podcast is all about so you guys have been doing the podcast for three years you have a booming Patreon

which is the envy of the world aka the envy of this podcast and you have have a great community on Reddit that which is completely disjointed from disavow disavow. We have the exact same problem.

It's a Reddit community. Own separate universe that thing. There are times people make posts about the podcast and there will be hundreds of comments about like what the there's a podcast? I get DMs, do you guys support this? And it's a screenshot of a random guy

commenting on the Reddit. I'm like, oh, yes. I am actually hundreds of thousands of people We're the masters of the universe Remember we're so we have an omnipotent view So you guys You started doing the podcast And what has been the blowback from it

Because I imagine given the fact that You guys are like some sort of communists Right you guys are some sort of radical Respectable social Democrats no You're democratic socialists You believe that no matter what... No, that's too radical. Yeah.

It's too radical. Centress. What we need is a mixture of the Nordic model. No, no. Yeah. Yeah, yes, we're all different flavors of... What has it been in terms of blowback? I mean, we have a very specific type of blowback in that it comes exclusively pretty

much from Zionists and, you know, whatnot. I know. You guys have the, you know, the added pressure of also, you know, going after capital, going after this, you know, two-party system. All of the stuff that is like, we like to talk about through the lens of Israel. What has it been like doing this? JT is best equipped to answer this, I think. Yeah. For the most part, it's been overwhelmingly positive, I would say. It's united our. three fairly different audiences in a really cute way like the the discord we have is is incredibly wholesome there are we obviously as you guys know there are some people individuals whom we will not name who make it their life's work to try to get us to to bait us to respond or to you know clout chase stuff like that we don't respond it's not it's never worth it um the only real actual blowback that i think i think any of us have had is that uh i am no

longer with the streaming platform that I was with before because after October 7th and I was very outspoken I was not willing to pull any punches the platform not outspoken you had the only sensible and correct take

and you and for this and children should maybe not be killed senselessly as a reward depends on the context but go ahead as a reward for my beautiful brain

I was asked to make a both-sides statement on the genocides. Like, hey, well, you know, just say Israel has the right to defend itself. I'm like, I don't want to do that. I'm not going to do that. So that's, when you say the streaming platform you were with before, you mean, was it for streaming? You mean like, can I ask which platform? Sure, yeah. It was one of the earlier creator-run ones called Nebula.

I was the sixth person to join that platform I was there at the beginning They wanted you to make a more nebulous statement It was a brand thing Because they had nebulous morals, that's why That was it And that's the thing that I really took away from the situation I was like wow

Even though like I know you people Like I know the guy who started it I know all the five people who came before me They were my friends And not one of them You know went to bat for me and said, hey, we should not, you know, make this guy say something that he doesn't agree with. That is, you know, not the right thing to say.

Right. But, no, I was sent to talk to the PR lady, and, you know, and to her credit, she worked with me. She was patient and stuff. I'm just like, look, I don't want to say any of this stuff, so I'm just not going to do that. So maybe I need to, yeah. Were you a contractor or were you an employee or was? So the way it works, they call it, you know, creator-owned, and it's like a shadow equity kind of thing. where you get a certain amount of money

depending on the amount of watch time generated from your content on the streaming platform so you own it which he has a lot like a lot yeah um I mean compared to some of the big channels there it was it was not that okay still political content yeah take a fucking compliment god damn no I'm terrible I hate myself

no it was a but yeah it was a bummer and so it was like okay so lesson learned if the platform is not ideologically aligned with you, they're going to choose optics over the taking the moral stance every single time. And that is an important lesson to learn that I should have learned sooner. Yeah. It's, I mean, it's interesting you bring that up just

in terms of, you know, the way that streaming platforms are going in terms of like ownership of them because there was a story that came out recently that I want to segue into. It's apparently Paramount

plus is doing some sort merger and I think because it's a huge you know media conglomerate the merger itself would have to be you know is monitored and has to be approved by the Trump administration so Sherry Redstone famous ghoul owns Paramount Plus and very recently it came out that the long time the longtime executive producer of 60 minutes is left. Left 60 minutes due to the fact that they were asking, Paramount was asking for more oversight over their content. Now, Paramount controls 60 minutes? I thought 60 minutes is CBS. That's who owns CBS? It's Paramount now. Also the big mother corporation.

Yeah, yeah. Honestly, my only interaction with Paramount Plus is when this is maybe a little embarrassing whenever Beavis and Butthead releases anything new I will do a free trial or I'll subscribe for a month so I can binge watch the new season or Beavis and Butthead do the universe which made me laugh until I cried I love this I did not know you were a big Beavis fan I didn't know they're still making it oh yeah

oh yeah yeah yeah they made a new season which was a little hit and miss but they made a movie called Beavis and Butta do the universe which I just thought was hysterically funny. There's a great scene where Beavis, I mean, essentially they time travel from the 90s to now and they're totally, and they get told by, they go to college and they get told derisively by a fellow student, woke student,

that they have white privilege and they're so into it. They're like, yeah, we can do anything. It's okay, we have white privilege. Don't worry about it. But my favorite scene is Beavis falls in love with Siri. But who doesn't? I know.

She's so helpful. The only woman in my life that does everything I tell her. And Beavis to me is such a character with such a pathos, actually. And at one point, he's talking about himself. And Siri says, I don't understand

Beavis. And Beavis says, neither do I sometimes. Oh, that's amazing. I did not know you were that into it. I have a friend who writes for the new Beavis and Butthead. Maybe you guys can meet some day. Kudos. But yeah so they're merging, Paramount is merging with Skydance and so yeah, because of that 60 minutes, you know, for all the faults of various different like network news outlets

and mainstream media outlets in general, 60 minutes has done some surprisingly good work on Gaza and on Israel and Palestine and the ousting, basically. I mean, he resigned, Bill Owens resigned from it, but it was directly linked to this wanting supervision over the content that they were doing on a news program. And sort of famously, news programs, you know, in the past at least, you know, were always trying to have independence from the main network. They were always essentially funded

by other shows in the main network and it was meant to like bolster the credentials of your channel. Like my channel has the most independent news. There is. You can trust us. Those days are gone. And interestingly

Sherry Redstone also put out this statement after the famous Tanahasi Coates v. DocoPill interview said Sherry Redstone says CBS News quote, made a mistake by rebuking Tony DocoPill

over Tanahasi Coates interview. No one rebukes count doco pill. Yeah, exactly. And so like, you know, this is this is the state of the streaming industry, you know, now is like having to deal with shit like this. And in terms of other things that Paramount Plus is going to be putting on, Daniel, I know you get the free trial to watch Brevis and Butthead, but maybe in the future you might consider watching this wonderful documentary that's going to be coming out.

He's raised my roots. Palestine, Tel Aviv, Sapir, Haifa, Raha. Eating, drinking, breathing music. It's so addicting. Israel and Palestine pop group. I don't want to do anything except doing music. Arabs and Jewish people together To have a co-existent Okay so first of all

Can I stop at Arabs and Jewish people working together There's something I like intrinsically That I I cringe when This is going to be about Israel But we're never going to say the word Palestine Yeah We're just never going We're never going to admit these are Palestinians

Yeah And that's number one. But also, not only things that they're saying Arabs and Jewish people. No, you mean Israelis. Arabs and Jewish people have worked together over a thousand years. In fact, many Jewish people. Many Jewish people are and were and have been Arabs. Yeah.

Yeah, that too, as well as people who identified as Arab but still were of the Jewish faith or people who identified just the Jewish who served in incredibly high positions across many different Muslim empires or Arab kingdoms and stuff. Like this is so fucking stupid when you should make it put Israeli. No, no, just say Israeli. But were they ever in a boy band together called? That's the thing. That's right. That's right.

Did they ever sing together? Cooked me. The band is called one, one something. Okay, yeah. As one state. They should have called it one state. That would have been hilarious. One direction, one state. I completely agree with you, Hakim, about the idea of like, you know, this like, can you imagine Jewish people on Arabs working together? And it's like, this is every day in America.

This is every day in all over the world. This is not a weird thing. This is only weird to you because you live in a Jewish supremacist apartheid state. Which is the chief driver of so-called Jewish. Arab division and discord. Just a question, do you think they have

separate green rooms? There's a green line for the green room? Probably. It's special. A four-part music documentary series. There's a lot to do. There's a lot to work on.

Now more than ever feel really important. Comes the next global boxes. Why is there American English so perfect? That's what I was just going to say. Where are the I don't know a single, I mean, I know some American, I know lots of American Israelis who grew up in the States or whatever.

Yeah. I don't know too many like 48 Palestinians who speak, who live there, who speak with like perfect American accent. Or Israelis who are born and raised who are not of American origin or extraction who speak English like this. I mean, I don't mean to burst anyone's bubble here about the boy. bands that you loved and grew up with but they're all media creations yeah what thing is I know I know they weren't all actually friends no I know I know we all thought they you know the backstreet

boys did not live all on the same back street together growing up they they were invented to believe that what we're doing here might just be historic now it's world mode now it's money time all right why they got to make the jews say it's money time we will solve conflict through content let's fucking go these guys like i sometimes feel bad for being a podcaster and talking about this shit to an extent commodifies it and you're like am i doing a shitty thing yeah uh but holy fuck we're not at least we're not a fucking genocide boy band bro yeah yeah this is the thing it's like i i don't care

if you make content necessarily. Is your content in favor of or opposing the genocide? That's always the question I have. Or ignoring it all together. All together, yeah. In favor of coexistence bromides. That's right. Bro mites.

Bromides. Witness, witness a quest for stardom, five years in the making. Then there's superstar. It's hard to deny. We're going to have a whole page about us on a billboard. Oh, okay. I thought he was going to say on Wikipedia. I've never heard of Billboard magazine.

Is this a big deal? Unbreakable bonds. I feel comfortable. I was going to say, unbreakable bond. How about they go to their villages? The villages, the Palestinians, let's see how. You know, one group of people who I think could break that bond, maybe a checkpoint soldier.

Don't worry about six kids from Israel with a message. From where? Ah, there we go. Oh, the war. It's really hard to be far from home. If there's something that I'm going to work, I will work on it. Pain brings us a lot of strength. It's not really hurt right now.

Can either bring us together or break a support. Oh, shit. Together, their potential is limitless. Everything is possible in this life. There's something amazing about it. Everything is possible in this life. What's that? Except for the International Criminal Court.

of flying their fucking directives. What are you talking about? Except for equal human rights. Let's see. Except for a single secular democratic state. Or for American support for Israel. That doesn't seem. Breaking that does nothing.

No aid from Washington. Yeah, exactly. It also feels like very like minstrel-ish, you know, like in the 40s or the 50s and the states when they were like, so I have an idea. for the like relatively liberal new audiences, why don't we go to like a very underdeveloped part of the country and pick out like a few successful but only in that city black artists and then pair them with very popular white artists and really pitch it to everyone like it's this new progressive thing

but they're getting paid completely different amounts and also I am a member of the KKK. I just think this is a great way to make extra money. It's so fucking like, like, ooh, look at this package. I mean, my, Mike? Yeah. Oh, I'm going to say it's just, it is 100% packaged liberal Zionism. It's 100% like feel good.

That's what I was going to say. Yeah. Like, who's the audience for this? Because, like, Palestinians were, again, like, you still the land stolen people are like, no. And Israelis are like, why are the children of light merging with the sons of Amalek? Or what about them are scientists? And this only person who will sit there and clap like a fucking dumbass or liberal's eyes who will be like, oh, see?

All of us can get along into Disney. But it's for them. They clearly want to sell this to an international audience, too. Who won't buy this? Which Brazilian is going to look at this? I've just looked them up on Wikipedia. As one was conceived and formed by music entrepreneurs James Diner, who signed and developed Maroon 5,

and Kent Levitan, who signed and developed Kings of Leeds. On, two shit. Both sound like Jewish music entrepreneurs, especially Levitant. Kings of Zion. But just skipping ahead to the end. Well, number one, do you know who they recorded with in London at Abbey Road Studios? Oh, God. No.

Nile Rogers from Sheik. Oh, I don't know. He produced a song for them, I think, or featured on it. Oh, he's a legendary bass player and producer. Yeah. He's worked with everybody. African American and

here's at the very end of the Wikipedia article the song was called their first single featuring Nile Rogers was called All Eyes on Us Tupac Yeah

All eyes on us Bombing the gods Strip until the day we die Listeners criticized the song And the band's branding Till the kingdom of David returns It's all eyes on us I'm sorry, go ahead.

Listeners criticized the song and the band's branding as disconnected from reality with regards to the ongoing Israel invasion of the Gaza Strip. Some users highlighted the similarity of All Eyes on Us to All Eyes on Rafah, the viral slogan in reference

to Israel's Rafahevensive and accused the song of drawing attention away from the conflict. Other users defended the brand. I love that. I love that. No, no, no, no, no. Get away from All Eyes on Us, please.

All eyes on us. Don't look at Rock. Rafa, that is very literal. I can imagine that their video could be like that, that, that, that graphic that was used for All Eyes on Rafa. Yeah, yeah. There was like some AI stuff. Yeah. Except the camera zooms in and they're standing there in the middle of the field being like, no, look at us.

No, no, no, no, check it out. Other users defended the band and said they were free to express themselves how they wished, which is such a funny, funny line because J.T., if you experienced, at a startup streaming platform pressure from above not to express yourself how you wish how much more completely owned and controlled in terms of what they're allowed to say

are a completely concocted boy band like a corporate brand notion made flesh as if these guys have any freedom whatsoever to even think any original thoughts no absolutely not AI generated meat puppets literally like the whole band is like yo

chat GPT audience type guys who are like peace in the Middle East right right what do I make it it's like two Israelis two Palestinians it's going to be nice make them all hot and have apps I love it just the prompt is asking

chat GPT can you make a boy band that my mother wouldn't like the music of but would approve of the existence of yes uh there's nothing that can beat us here we go we're gonna be together as one as one the is hold that was there's the song yeah israel polysinian pop music journey new documentary series streaming december 3rd paramount plus uh when you ask who is this for um i think the answer is pretty clear uh sherry redstone and the trump administration yeah you know this this is

about the merger. They're stopping CBS News from doing actual news. They're, you know, they're yelling at the executive producers of the Sunday morning CBS News program for telling people, sorry that Tony Doku Pill, you know, spent the entire interview with Tanaasi Coates being like, but why are you a terrorist? You know, like, and let's remember that. their beef with 60 Minutes was that 60 Minutes published some year old footage. Yes, yes. Of Palestinians, you know, living destitute lives amid terrible rubble and just evidence of the destruction. Yes, but one year old, you know, it's not like, it's not like 60 Minutes was on the forefront of anything in terms of like covering what was happening in Gaza.

No, it was like 60 months. Yeah, it was like 60 months. Yeah. And, you know, just the idea that they, you know, were like, well, whoa, whoa, whoa, this merger's happening. We need to be careful about, you know. 60 weeks. I can't believe we didn't see it coming because Paramount Plus is the company that brought you, Mayor of Kingston, which is prisons is good, the agency, which is CIA is good,

lioness, which is death squads is good, the landman, which is. Big oil very, very necessary and also kind of good. Shut the fuck up, Lib. And Yellowstone, which is owning lots of land, is awesome. My favorite scene in Yellowstone is when there's Chinese tourists that are exploring his little area. And a Chinese tourist, like, walks in and starts taking photos. And he rides in on his horse. He tells him to get the fuck out of there.

This is my land. And the Chinese guy is like, what the fuck? Nobody's supposed to own this much land. They put it in the show. And he says, well, this is America. a baby but no joke how do we

not see it coming these are like the most like in your face not not too in your face it's relatively well done

garbage can of ideals there's deep there's dark sides to these agencies you know we're not perfect but that's much

better propaganda or these industries and so on sure it's much better propaganda and then directly like oh look how fucking awesome

we are but just when it comes to their fictional content how did we not see this coming it's all like word for word

just state department and fucking awesome. Yeah, exactly. You know, we love NATO. Adam says, complicated men need complicated entertainment. Don't you dare come for Taylor Sheridan. I have watched all of them. You see the creator of Yellowstone?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. All of those shows. I'll be driving through Yellowstone Park tomorrow. So I'm definitely going to try that thing that you go. Yeah, careful. I don't take any pictures. Yeah. Or if you do, you know, make sure, oh, if you go there,

see if you can find the Yellowstone. I assume it's a show about a really yellow stone. Surely it's there somewhere. Don't people who tend to own lots of land and ranching types, they're usually conservative, right, in the U.S.? Yeah, yeah. So conservatives tend to be really pro-Israel, right? Right.

So, Danny, why don't you just go and tell them that this land was promised to you 4,000 years? Oh, shit. That might work on them. And then he might be like, well, you know what? Here's my horse. We've got a good scheme going. We can make money here.

They're like, well, okay, I mean, certainly I don't like the idea of giving up my land, but I do love Israel for no reason. You know what? Take it, Danny. It's yours. Yeah, so, you know, that's state of the streaming industry. We're going to see how this all goes. Consume the slop. We're going to consume the slop, and we're going to choke on it till we're dead.

and we have some more interesting and fun stuff to talk about but we do need to take a quick commercial break so everyone please stick around we'll be right back and we're back this bad Hasbara meets the D program we're here with Hugo Hakeem and JT

what's up guys Howdy fillers? Thanks for having us You know in the comments on the the episode that we, that you featured us on, there were a few people debating whose show has the theme song that slaps the hardest. Hey, there we go. Yours goes hard. Yours goes hard.

Yours lyrics, you know? Yours goes really hard as well. And when I saw that, I saw that comment before, you know, I had listened to the episode. And I had realized that I had always, when I was listening to your show, I would fast, fast forward through everything. I kind of, I always skip through to get to, uh,

that's a nice thing to say, Matt. I know, no, you're not, you're a fucking stalks, dude. I know,

when I was listening to your show, I had it on five times speed. I played them five X, bro. We all do. I got a lot of shit to listen to. My ears are busy. Yeah.

Um, and I was listening to, uh, the theme song and I was like, uh, for the first time ever, I was, uh,

I was like this might actually be a better, a better opening, you know, intro than ours, only because it is, uh, it just goes so fucking hard. Like, it makes you excited. Who, who did the intro music? A guy called Sam Kuzel. He, we worked with him, like, way back at the, before we even launched the show, I think, we're like, we need to do this properly. And he took a long time to do it. But it was because we're like, take these three very disparate musical styles from your homelands and make it good. And he managed, he pulled it off. It's an impossible task.

He traded it up great. He killed it. It's a super great intro. And you know what, guys? It's a super great podcast. Oh, thank you. It takes one to know one, right? Sometimes you've got to skip through a little bit of the intro stuff.

Not like ours. It's all dick jokes anyway. Yeah, definitely. Not to slob the knobs of both of our audiences, which are hopefully like melting together. But half of the comments were like, Jesus Christ, two of my worlds are finally Yeah, I did love that

And this has been a collab Long time begged for by our audience as well I think we share I think we share a lot of the same audience. It's a lot of people who are desperately looking for normal voices Who are not pieces of shit Not pieces of shit

So since the beginning of this podcast obviously one of the things that we have often has driven us the most crazy has been the amount of liberal Zionist takes out there. We find them to be the funniest. They are always skirting the line between I'm a good person and how can me as good person

somehow still support the state doing genocide? And there's been multiple ways of people doing it. Number one has been denying that there's a genocide denying any atrocities, you know, saying, well, remember that Israel is trying their best, whereas Hamas is just trying to kill civilians, depending on... It's complicated. It's complicated, depending on people's sort of like unconscious bias of believing a white Israeli over a brown Arab, all sorts of things.

Or a brown Israeli over a white Arab. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it doesn't matter. The point is, if you tell me someone is Palestinian, you tell me someone's Arab, you're like, okay, I automatically put you in the, well, take everything they say with a grain of salt. But believe the IDF. And a lot of, and a lot of them have played the, you know, look, I hate Netanyahu. I was at the protests or I supported the pro-democracy protests, but they treat the ID, and I hate the settlers, you know, and I hate the way the IDF protects the settlers, but they still maintain. this faith in the core of that army. Yes. And so, you know, my sources in the IDF tell me such and such and such. They believed in the stated goals of the thing. And their main objection is, are we, you know, are we actually rescuing the hostages?

Is this good for the hostages? And then, and then occasionally excess here, excess there, mealy mouth condemnation. But, but never. This is a set their mindset, right? When you have these people who are so insulate, like, of course, liberal Zionists in the U.S. or around the world, the very few of them around the world, compared to liberal Zioners within Israel,

they're two different beasts because the ones in Israel are so insulated from what's actually happening. The amount of supreme, like, censorship and media control that exists in Israel is unparalleled anywhere else in the world, really, with how walled off they are from any real information. And also, as a population, they're not that interested in consuming other information. They just kind of swallow it. It's part of their education.

There are, you know, the ideological justification of existence of their state and their entire, like, life purpose and so on and so forth. But they will, you know, consume, obviously, like, American movies and television. Yeah, of course. Their big thing is, is, like, Western stuff, you know, which has worked out for them because, for the most part, Western movies and TV do not speak about. Israel in any way other than positive. More importantly, whenever you see these liberal Zion, it's like, oh, I was, especially in

Israel, like, oh, I was at the pro-democracy, quote-unquote pro-democracy, oh, I was against something, I was like, yeah, okay, if you're pro-democracy, do you think that there should be one state with equal rights for all people, regardless of ethnic or religious identifications? Like, whoa, slow down there. I'm not that pro-democracy. Israel is in Jewish state, all right, first and foremost. Yes. And in America, obviously, you know, the liberal Zionist flavor is different, and that

liberal Zionist flavor is always basically buoyed by a bunch of misinformation about what Israel is and what Zionism is and sort of this like it's this you know hastily cobbled together ideology of like well all things

that are good and liberal that I believe in is what I assume Zionism and Israel is all about which of course is not the actual reality of it. There's sort of like, you know, it's almost like a, a secular version of God where you're just like, you know, I think, you know, I believe in God, but I just, my God says that, you know, everyone who's cool gets into heaven, there's no hell, but there's like sort of like a hell sort of jail where it's like five years of hell. You know, it's like people just like, they have no religion. They just kind of like make up a bunch of stuff, but they still want to have some sort of spirit. It's the same thing with, with liberal Zionism. It's like their assumption, of what Israel is makes up

you know that's what they say that's what they tell everyone Zionism is and it's not the case the biggest I think I guess example that we have talked about on the show is this one poster

Shail who he has been someone we featured heavily on this show because he's such like the perfect liberal Zionist and you know we I'm a fan I mean you know

get them on the pod well here's the thing you know in general my thoughts about having Zionists on this podcast and well first it's just I book people

who I think are funny and cool and there's just not very many funny cool Zionists but also it's been about like you know the idea of wasting everyone's time

debating somebody who is going to to be completely delusional where we can't even agree on the power imbalance. You can't even talk, make it a skit. They wouldn't get the fact that it's a skit and that they're being made fun of.

Yes, 100%. But, you know, I have always had this thing since the beginning of this podcast, which is like, if you're someone who's willing to admit it's a genocide, then you're someone who I might want to talk to. Ladies and gentlemen,

something has happened in the world of Shaal Ben Ephraim He Ephraim He Ephraim He recently took to Twitter To say this It took me a long time

To get to this point But it's time to face it Israel is committing genocide in Gaza Between the indiscriminate bombings of hospitals Starvation of the population plans for ethnic cleansing slaughter of aid workers and cover-ups there is no escaping it is trying to eradicate the Palestinian people we can't stop it unless we admit it now this

this is I got to say there's I'm not sure like dogs and cats living together mass hysteria like I you know my first response to this when I saw it was like oh shit uh we got one and then my second response was it's been 18 months we got one yeah yeah we need we need to do a uh a bumper with janine from ghost busters oh yeah we got one yeah we got one yes i had a i had a mixed response i mean i was really happy for him and i was like kind of proud of him because i've been dragging him for a year yeah and making fun of him and he's been so ridiculous but like it it that this is a journey like he has come a distance true and to be able to say that is something and i had a part of me though there's a scene from quiz show the 1994

robert redford movie love it yeah great movie um at the very end after raffine's character charles van doren makes a sort of vague confession which doesn't implicate the higher-ups at NBC of the quiz show scandal. He just sort of expresses contrition. And he gets a whole lot of congratulations from a bunch of senators in this House Oversight Committee. There's another senator from upstate New York

who says, I'm also from New York, a different part of New York, and while I'm glad you've made the statement, I can't join my colleagues in... Congratulating you or lauding you because in my mind, it's just not something worth praising someone for it, to finally at long last, just tell the basic truth. Do the bare minimum.

Do the bare minimum. Now, I've got both of those, that angel and that devil on my shoulder. I got both of those wolves in me. But ultimately, I come down on welcome over. Like, I've been saying to him or trying to, you know, I think he ignores me, but it's better over here. Yeah. The position I'm taking is actually more consistent with what,

you fundamentally deep down know to be true. There's less contortion. We actually have a photo of Schild trying to hold his liberalism and his Zionism together at once. Can we put that up on the screen? There he is right there. For those listening, it's what is it, Dylan G from Severance, holding the buttons together at the same time. Yeah, yeah, in two different rooms, you know, and because he often does this thing where he'd be like, I don't recognize Israel anymore. This is not the Israel I grew up with. And he posted something like this the other day. I was trying to find it, but he's actually deleted the post, but my reply is still there. But he said something like, my mother and my teachers and the army taught me that we are a

tolerant place and that we believe in human rights, all and this kind of stuff. And I'm like, dude, what I wish you would realize is that what you're seeing now is actually not discontinuous from the reality when you were growing up. You were just lied to about it. And these people can't face that they were lied to. And I know that's a hard step to take. Like that's full disillusionment. But I'm totally here to celebrate that this one prolific poster and apologetic

apologist for Israel's crimes has actually, he's, he's straddling the Rubicon at least. Yeah. Yeah. And go ahead, please. Yeah, and like 101 propaganda type shit, but like good propaganda. Everything is propaganda. You know what I mean.

Right, right, blah, blah, blah. I'm not going to bore you with that. I'm sure that the audience knows as well. So as what you guys do and to an extent what we do, our reaction when it comes to our platforms, in my modest opinion, should be one very similar to what Daniel was talking about, you know, keeping an open door. so that as many people that potentially want to stop being active propagandists for apart high genocide and mass murder starts changing their opinion, et cetera, et cetera. What you as an individual, as Daniel, as Hakeem, as J.T. as Matt, as Hugo specifically think about someone's, you know, not one could call it an improvement.

I would just call it no longer being an absolute piece of shit, which is an improvement, but it is not something, you know, you didn't invent a new vaccine. something. Right. What us as individuals think about it should, at least on our platforms, be kept inside because our platform we're trying to pitch this kind of idea that you are going to be relatively welcomed once you change. Basically, we need to... Once you change, though.

Once you change, of course. Yes. You need to not build up additional walls for people that you're trying to convert, not out ethical reasons? I'm not talking ethics or morality at all. It's strategic. Pure practicality of the funnel, right? Yeah, but I do give myself the license to, to be honest about that other part of me that's like, of course. You know, yeah, the part that's a little bit judgmental, a little bit petty, maybe, but maybe it's not petty, but either way. It's completely, but that's subjective morality, right? Yeah, I think, I think you make a good point, yeah. Yeah, and I think it's, you know, this is something

that I've seen with the regard to the normalization discourse that people have when it comes to this subject matter specifically where part of keeping, I think, you know, creating a welcoming atmosphere is the idea that it will attract a broader coalition of people who might want to join you in the calling a genocide a genocide, you know, and I think what happens is you do have, you know, people whose politics can sometimes be a little bit divisive in terms of like, they go, well, you know, you shouldn't, you know, I don't believe them and whatnot. And it's like, and you're, you're, you're free to not believe someone. And definitely like this is a journey and I'm uh as we will see in some of these other tweets that we have uh he is not

of course fully uh reckoned with his uh feelings about these things um but you know in terms of like the feelings that he has the idea of you know praising it and then you know people saying oh you're normalizing someone who is still a liberal Zionist is just like well yeah but liberal Zionism is uh normal that's That's what this has been the, you know, the big block that I've been going up against and talking to these people in my personal life is that like, this is what I get the whole time is like, I see that Israel is doing bad things. You know, usually they won't say genocide.

That kind of knocks down most of the reservations, but they'll say, you know, Israel's doing bad things, but also deserves to exist. It should be a Jewish state. And it's just like, you know, that's the normal line. minute you admit that it's doing a genocide, you've you've gone over the peak and you're heading on a downhill slope towards it doesn't actually have a right to exist. Like there's no genocidal state has the inherent legitimacy to continue to exist if it's going to continue to do genocide. Right. Maybe in the abstract, you'd be nice if it existed or I'd like it to exist, but if it's

going to behave this way, if it's going to commit the ultimate crime of all crimes, that's the first step towards realizing maybe this whole thing is actually if this is what's required to keep the state going and this is what Shail hasn't yet realized he still thinks there can be a Zionism without this end point

and there is no such Zionism it's like that this might be a weird comparison but I'm sure most of you guys know about it it's like one of those loudspeakers that they would place on Battlefield fields in Vietnam during the war where they would, you know, usually a female voice would be like, GI, you are being lied to, GI, join our side, pass over. And that was, you know,

you will not be hard. Just fall out of the sky like broken birds. Oh, I thought you meant the American loudspeakers that play the, Martha and Vandella is nowhere to run to. You are, you are a tool of imperial. You know, like in all the movies. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The opposite one, the opposite. And when a GI would pass over, they would still be prosecuted and stuff. They would still be arrested and stuff. They would still be, you know, introduced to a lot of

additional information, call it education, call it re-education, call it whatever you want. But the fact that they willingly passed over, obviously, is much better than if they never passed over whatsoever. But in the speaker, you know,

Passover, GI, pass over GI, they didn't all, like, constantly say, And when you pass over, we will arrest you. We will arrest. Right, yes. Right. So practicality versus the point is we have to, we have to bring Shail in, put him, then put him in the re-education. And then he'll be good.

No, by the way, caveat as always, no Palestinian is obligated to open the door for anyone who still calls himself a Zionist. No Palestinian is obligated to do anything. It's just not our business. tell Palestinians how to feel about Jews way too slowly waking up out of what is fundamentally a genocidal ideology. Right. But as for us who have a certain role to play, I think there's something to be like, okay, thumbs up.

I also think that there's a worthwhile distinction to be made that it's good and important to accept these people if and when they do change their minds and start making the morally correct stance, but also not to waste too much breath trying to convert those people ourselves. Yes. That is something that I get a lot of the questions on my YouTube videos. Like, why don't you're very critical of the people on the right? Like, why don't you try it harder to convert the right wing? I'm like, that's not my job.

Like, I don't, at best, I would end up with a highly suspect comrade. Right. I'll praise them if they do come over and say, hey, you know, I have been watching your videos usually because I hate you, but now I've actually. changed my mind. Like, great, welcome. Thanks for stopping by. But there are people, and there are people who are actually ideally placed to do that work. Yes. Someone like Peter Beinot, for instance, who was a liberal Zionist for a long, long time, and then fully came over to seeing that a one-state solution is the only solution. And he's very comfortable in the Jewish world. He still belongs to it.

He can speak to those people very effectively. He's doing a televised debate with Shai, excuse me, with Shai Davidae, actually. Oh, wow. Which is going to be interesting. But even the work you're describing, JT, could be done by some people, but it's not on us necessarily to, if it's going to be, if your breath is going to be wasted or if your energy is better placed somewhere else, then make that call. 100%. I think, you know, this is, I think I've said this before, but this is sort of the one of the important things that I learned being part of a 12-step program for 15 years is. well number one don't do heroin anymore but number two has been uh is uh is that it's about attraction rather than promotion you know it's like it's not really uh you know i don't think it's

effective uh to uh and and i think it is uh honestly um a waste of time because there's so many you know bad faith actors out there um to try to convert every single liberal zionist every single you know because it's like you are, you're, that strategically just doesn't make sense. What makes sense is that like you see a community of people who are just speaking openly and honestly about something you know in the back of your head, in your mind, that thing that's just been gnawing at you is real. This is what's happening. And Shail's known this, but it's hard to break through that programming for a lot of people.

And I'll say that it's so hard that you rarely see this. And, you know, I do applaud anyone who is going to, you know, come to that conclusion eventually. And he actually, in another, in a reply to that tweet, he expressed how liberating it actually feels, which is what I've been telling him forever. Yes. Someone says, that's it. You've lost it. It's really sickening, which is, this is the refrain from Zionist. He's gone off the deep end. He's crazy now. He's become dangerous. And he says, this is so liberating. You become a self-hating Jew. Yeah, it's liberating to look at yourself and be disgusted. No, but it is liberating.

We're able to sleep at night. I feel the conflict within you. Give in to yourself aid. Yes. But I mean, you know, it is a liberating feeling that you can take a deep breath. Like imagine just the weight off your shoulders of the weight of having to carry water for a genocidal state. that within the very country, they're not carrying the water you're carrying.

They're openly admitting a lot of people, at least, especially on the right. All you have to do is press on the translate from Hebrew, translate to English on the Hebrew tweet. 100%. And, you know, these guys will still argue with you about the meaning of genocide, what is and isn't a genocide,

but they won't argue about whether or not they think it is okay to mass kill Palestinians. They'll be like, it is okay. I wonder if now that Israelis are taking to the streets in larger numbers actually holding pictures of Palestinian children and saying stop the slaughter, not bring them home, not free the hostages, not end this war, but actually like just stop slaughter. And again, way too few Israeli Jews are doing this and it's way too late, but it's happening. and you see that the Israeli police

just absolutely cracked down to them. I wonder if that turn of events has encouraged Shail to be like yeah, any country where that is not sayable where you're not allowed to like show pictures of children must be trying to kill children. And if

that's what we're doing it's genocide. I mean, not by definition but it's, you know what I'm saying. If that sells it to him, yeah. Right, then maybe everyone else isn't lying about what Israel is. Yeah, I mean, you know, who knows what did it. But he did obviously get the pushback from the Zionists who have been, you know, his base of support,

at least somewhat. You know, he's always been a liberal Zionist. So, you know, he's always been attacked by, you know, the Batar, you know, and Khamis and like right-wing Israelis and all that stuff. So he's used to getting it from all sides. And he's, he's used to getting it from all sides. And he's always been like, that's how I know I'm right, which always makes me want to blow my brains out. It's like that's how you know you're white, right? When everyone hates you and everyone's

like you're wrong. You're a literal adolescent. Like, mom and dad disagree with me and I hate mom and dad that means I'm right. Yes, that's what a middle schooler thinks. That is the fucking negative attention. Mom and dad are divorced and they both grounded me.

Yeah. I'm the one thing they agree on. So he went on to, you know, clarify some statements here where it says... There seems to be a debate on whether to accept me in anti-Israel circles. We were just kind of having that debate, weren't we? Not that debate, but that conversation. Let me settle that for you. I left one cult and have no intention of joining another.

I remain a Zionist. Okay, then you didn't leave one cult. that's completely and totally contradictory he just named the cult what cult did he does he think he left the cult of no it's not a genocide that's not the cult that's the rallying cry of the cult

that you're claiming not to have left I don't think you can even be a Zionist if you deny that genocide has happened it's pretty tough it's pretty tough because like I said the slope is very very steep but you see he's still holding the two buttons right I still fully believe the following.

One, Israel must remain a Jewish state to defend Jews against atrocities. How's that going? Number two, anti-Semitism remains a major global problem. Number three, October 7th was a crime against humanity. Number four, Hamas is an evil terror organization and must go. Unlike most Israelis, I believe that both Israel and Hamas

must be held accountable for their crimes. but I harbor no hatred of my country. I know how we got here and I feel empathy for people on both sides of this conflict. The wounds of anti-Semitism in Israel run deep. The trauma of constant wars

and terror attacks shaped the Israeli reaction to October 7th. That doesn't justify the response but it does explain it. Okay, well, if you'd really left the cult then you'd be able to form the inverse of that which is the trauma of constant occupation,

ethnic cleansing, brutality, massacres sexual violence by an army administrative detention torture house demolitions and being

caged in a concentration camp shaped the October 7th operation or attack or massacre whatever you want to say and that doesn't justify it

but it does explain it but he'll never say that what I truly stand against is the attempt to whitewash the crimes of the leaders on both sides I will not join with anyone who justifies atrocities whether they be October 7th or the genocide Israel has perpetrated since.

Okay, Shail, Shal, it's okay, okay, okay, it's okay, come on over. Just get a little closer, okay? You don't have to justify October 7th in order to understand, some people do, right? We can have that conversation, but you don't actually have to justify what happened in order to have a principled anti-Zionist, anti-genicidal understanding of why it happened. And, but what's going to require, like I said, is you understanding, that Israel's quote response to it is not discontinuous from some fantasy Israel that you've

always believed exists and that you belong to. And that's going to be the next step for him. And I'm not sure if he'll take it. But that's where he's stopping short of. That's where he's half-stepping. This is, I think, it's one of the reasons why, you know, I discourage, you know, the idea of using this podcast or any, you know, anyone's platform, unless you're, you know, this, you're made to do this kind of work from like individually doing the handholding required to pull someone over to, you know, to the side of, I'm, I'm really, always tempted with him because he's so close. No, no, no, no, no, no. I, it's, I like, I like talking about it. I like doing it, but it's, it's just funny because you, you see this and you go like, yeah,

well, who has the time? Who has the time to be like, you know, Okay, so you believe it's a genocide, right? Right? Okay, we both believe that. You believe that genocide is wrong, right? Yeah, okay, good. Go, go, just making sure. Is there any part of you that looks at people in mass who are saying Israel's doing a genocide

and that's wrong that goes like maybe they're not a cult? Maybe they're just the ones living in reality and they're screaming at the people who are in a cult who are denying the atrocities that you yourself were doing for the last, you know, 18 months. give or take a few times where you're like hey what's going on here i mean it's just who has the time talk about it with your therapist talk about it with your friends talk about it you know with your mom i don't have that time to teach you uh but i do love watching it happen in real time it's it's interesting and i and i encourage it you know i it's like every i think every at least anti-Zionist Jew sees a little bit of themselves in a lot of these like liberal Zionists.

And this is one of the reason why, you know, we don't, you know, I don't close the door to the idea, you know, it's why I don't want to make it unattractive to be an anti-Zionist, you know, because I'm like, yeah, we all started somewhere and most of us at least started with a lot of fucking programming that we had to break through. It's just most of us did it privately and didn't tweet to their journey out during a genocide. Actively, yeah.

Yeah. Milk to this content. Yeah. Yeah. But it is wild to, it's wild to watch. I mean, I like watching the Zionists

who are mad at him, who are being like, you know, next thing you know, this guy, I see where this is going. One day he calls himself a Zionist. Next day he's going to build a statue to Yahia Sinwar. And I'm sitting there and I'm going,

that would be sick I would do that please and you know who knows they might be right about that and he has to fight against the urge to be like no no I'm not that

in fact I'm going to meet you in the middle somewhere and that's that's on him you know what I mean when you remove the Zionists from liberal Zionists you're still left with the liberal that's the problem here they have a supreme difficulty of interrogating their

ideological positions because to them it's either part of their personality or they have this mental pathology that they think being in the middle of two positions is somehow the moderate or correct position. It's like, oh, well, I don't like my shower, ice cold or burning hot. So here a little bit warm is perfect.

But no genocide or full genocide. I'm going to be here just a little bit of genocide. You know, like no apartheid or yes apartheid. A few discriminatory laws will be good. You know, like there's some things you can't middle position. Right. Right. And there's some things, you know, in which like the middle position, like what's the point of taking the middle position on this? Well, it's so that you yourself can comfortably stay within at least some of your pre-programmed worldviews. It's so that you yourself are like, well, it wasn't completely wrong. It's so that you yourself don't have to argue with people who, you know, for the most part you've agreed with for your whole life. And now all of a sudden your community is now complicit. It's now implicated in something. that is a genocide you can't you can't be like it's hard for you know people to come around to

it so they like people love to stay in a middle position because they love to be um you know uh they they think that part of being right is uh making room for evil yeah it gives you it gives you that extra spice of thinking that the the this is wisdom. This is coming to a conclusion that includes absolutely all the factors at play. Yes. So it combines this, you know, rejection of a very human internal drive screaming at you that something's wrong, something's wrong, something's wrong.

This is fucked up, but obvious you cannot deprogram. I said the thing. Oh, shit. You can't kill the hasbara in you. I said the other thing, right? So, number one, that is the negative incentive because it's very hard to pass through. But what the centrist position also gives you is not only the stick, but the carrot of you're a really smart guy. Look how academic you sound.

Yes. Because you're right in the middle. Because everything else is, you know, radical de facto, you know, populist de facto. Right. Not set in reality and so. So there's both the characteristic. And you are adorned in nuance, which is sort of the ultimate. It's the ultimate prize for lips.

And to take the super cynical view, it's a lot easier, 50 years down the road, to justify to your grandkids that you were 50% wrong. Like, well, actually, I was, you know, 51% on, you know, that 1% towards the correct direction. There were a lot of people who were entirely wrong. So whichever side wins, they're able to just scoot just a little bit. closer to that one a hundred percent it is it is like classic hedging your bets and uh you know and i think that like just the the mindset of a lot of this comes down to you know like when you have these like centrist liberal you know uh right in the middle positions where you're you know holding fucking like dillengie holding these you know two radical sides at bay it's like

it's it's it you have to do it because otherwise what is uh what is your i mean once you come over to the idea that like this thing uh that you've supported your entire life has been a fucking lie like how do you how do you not then completely dedicate your life to its destruction you know what i mean like like that i feel like that is hard for people. There's something about centrism that they see as like almost like proletarian in nature. Like, well, you know, the regular

guy on the street isn't like concerned with what's going on every day in the, you know, Middle East and stuff like that. Why should I be? So I'm going to hold this middle position that says like, ah, some it's good, someone's bad. I don't know what's going on over there. Only all of human history is actually that random guy on the street saying, okay, this

is really fucked up. We're not fucking doing this anymore. And then doing something about it. That's exactly right. It's exactly right. And so people have, but they need to have some sort of, I think, emotional separation. I think this is what makes liberal Zionism very particularly potent is that they need to have this emotional separation from the reality because otherwise it is, I mean, it can be devastating. It can be completely devastating. I mean, you see the way in which people who are, you know, who grew up in Jewish communities or in Zionist communities who see what's going on and say, like, well, I got to say something about this. You see the amount of family members who, like, are going to shun them. You see, like, their entire community. It's the same thing of leaving a cult.

Yeah. It's that all of a sudden not only is everyone fucking disconnecting from you, Scientology style, but they're also smearing you, Scientology style. And that is, which is what creates this, this protracted scene of, I'm leaving, I really am, I'm leaving the cult, and they still haven't left. It's, you know, the waiting Godot thing, waiting for Godot thing, let's go, yeah, let's go. They do not move. It actually reminds me of a scene from Steve Martin's, the jerk, where he's like, I'm out of here, I'm leaving, I don't need anything, I don't need you, I don't need anything, I'm going. I just, I just need this clock.

I'm taking this clock with me. That's all I need, just this clock, just this clock, and now I'm going to. going to go and and and i was like what fucking movie is he talking about and you did it so fucking well i'm taking this pen and he ends up with like eight things it takes about six minutes he's like now i'm going to go and his arm's full of shit yes yeah and you know i i do think it is like uh not that i'm calling shylla a jerk no no no you're just calling him uh you know just he's doing the thing and and you know we we just talked about the amount of smearing it's been interesting to watch with him specifically when we've talked about him um we have noted but never really

made i think too many jokes about it uh that you know he had been um uh he had had had like some sort of allegation against him he got like fired from you know or he had to something at ucla where he like tried to kiss a co-worker something like that i don't know i never looked into it because i was like his liberal zionism is enough content for me i don't need to smear smear the guy look into his past. Of course, that is exactly what happened as soon as he admitted that this is a genocide. No way. Yes, yes, of course. All of the people at one point supported him, at least supported his worldview, who would have no problem with him if he had not said this is a genocide, started going after him. This is from Rachel Moysell. Is she Irish? Oh, I have no idea who

Rachel Moysell is, uh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. She's one of these, like, she's one of these, like Irish, what is happening to my country? Uh, Zionist. Yes, my favorite type of Zionists is, is the one that's, uh, Zionists because they're Irish and they, and they're like, well, we're crazy over here with this anti-Semitism. I have a little, little schizophrenic. Yeah, oh, Irish, Zionists. We need a queen. I think if they really believed in the cause, they should all go break their own kneecaps. That's right.

That's right. So she doesn't mention anyone, but the replies and her replies all make very clear who she's talking about. Yes, yes. I wasn't going to say anything about this, but there is a prominent voice in the Israel-Palestine space who has been getting very obviously, increasingly erratic over the past few months,

and he has become dangerous. Well, I have some mitigating information that might explain it. Number one, he's gotten sober. Yeah, yeah, yeah. In the past few months, actually. And he's gotten engaged in. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Oh, good for him. Yeah. And so people are accusing him of like dripping, you know, falling off the wagon or whatever. He's like, actually, my sobriety has contributed to my waking up politically. Oh, shit. It is very, yeah, there's another reason for you to kind of like the guy, Matt. It is very disappointing to me to see people continue to platform. him given his noted history against women, one that in recent months he has made clear he

hasn't fully reckoned with. He denied the experience a woman had with him until she provided proof. Liberal progressive people continue to praise him because he espouses the correct political opinions despite his increasingly public disrespect towards women and despite the fact that he is very clearly unstable. I was aware of one instance of sexual harassment against him, one that is on public record and for which he lost his previous job. I am profoundly ashamed that I associated with him knowing this, thinking that everyone deserves a second chance and rationalizing that he had fully owned up to his wrongdoing

and faced huge professional repercussions for it. But now that he said the word genocide, I no longer think that he deserves a second chance. Scientist, me too, let's go. You know, it's one thing, is one thing to, you know, commit sexual harassment and then be sorry for it and me accept it and give him a second chance is another thing to do all of that

and then go against my belief that Palestine should be turned into Israel and Gaza should be turned into a parking lot. That's a bridge too far. Progressives have officially won. I'm being hella ironic here because right-wing

Zionist chuds are using the most like classical 2017, 2018. Yes. like, always outdated. Yeah, always update out there, like, believe. She's literally doing believe women,

but only because the guy doesn't fuck with genocide anymore. Right, exactly. Yeah, and now she's saying that, you know, she was messaged privately by another woman to say that he forced a kiss on her, and then, you know, yeah, she doesn't like the way,

that doesn't like the way he responded to it. He admitted that it happened and attributed to a problem with alcohol, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Yeah. This man continues to be astoundingly verbally abusive towards people publicly on this platform. I haven't seen any evidence.

And we literally follow him for the lulls. I follow him religiously for the lulls. Yeah. And also the liberal speak. I'm sorry, I'm obsessed with this. I'm obsessed with aesthetics. Astoundingly verbally abusive towards people publicly on this platform.

It's like, it's, ah, it's so good. He has committed microaggressions. Microaggressions Mega aggressions Gigga aggressions You know added in conjunction All together The microaggressions

Equal one kilo aggression Yes You know Yeah the fragility here Many others have said this But I will add my voice To the chorus And say that yes

This man has flown into Blind fits of rage Against a woman An ex of his In a group shot I was in But also against me Personally in DMs After his tirade against me

I responded to say This behavior was concerning and thankfully it largely ended there he didn't message me much much subsequently perhaps because i never responded oh what a stalker he stopped responding when you respond stopped i woke up this morning to see a recent post of his uh the post wasn't what concerned me most bullshit it was the fact that i'm sure she's talking about the one about genocide it was the fact that in the comments i have seen him responding positively to two noted antisemites on this platform who have large followings.

This is highly concerning to me. Yes, yes. I won't name this man, but everyone in the comment, excuse me, everyone in the combating anti-Semitism space will know who I'm talking about. Ah, yes, the combating anti-Semitism space.

I love that space. Everyone in the cult will know who I'm talking about. The pivot is complete. Yes. Publicly associate, no, sorry, the combating anti-Semitism space. I have the arc has has been complete

okay we have officially cuckified the right wing this is the real this is the real horseshoe theory yes yes yes 100% you know from reactionary

right wing grifter to like woke hand ringer I love it I am saying something now because he is publicly associated with anti-Semites, i.e. people who are mildly congratulating him for calling it a genocide. And combating anti-Semitism is a primary focus of my advocacy. This could get very dangerous.

I hope this man gets the help he needs. I implore my Palestinian and Jewish friends to stop platforming him until it happens. As if you have any Palestinian friends. No, that's not true. She's best friends with Mossab Hassan Yusuf. That's exactly. The son of Hamas, you know. She visited the camps and waved at the, what's it called, through the barn barbed wire. That's right. This is, this is annoying that this could get very dangerous. This is Twitter. Yeah.

What the fuck dangerous? What the fuck do you mean? How is? If this is dangerous, what would you say what's happening to the Palestinians is? Yes. Yeah. How is this dangerous? But what's happening in Gaza, fine.

I don't know this guy. I don't know what the accusations are. I don't give a fuck. Honestly, I don't care. Right. Maybe he's a horrible person. and maybe he's not, maybe there's lies, maybe it's true. I don't care.

But if we're talking about this being very dangerous, where is your fucking threshold, where are your reference intervals, where you're, I don't, God damn, these people. She's speaking for the cult.

It's dangerous to the cult, and it is mildly. He's not going to bring anything down single-handedly, but she's seeing what we're seeing. The space. The space like him. The space must be defended. That's right.

They need some sort of space force. It'll come out. Help. help do the combat in the anti-semitism space. You're doing very serious work. In space. I love that space. I will post to liberation.

I must post all the time. Yes, yes. I think that's... You're verbally abusive towards my posting. You were a dangerous person. Yes. And it's just like, it's so funny how, you know, perfectly these tactics, you know, mirror the same thing that happens. if you try to leave Scientology or you, you know, you try to fucking...

It's just like, this is what, this is the cult-like behavior that you're going to deal with. Now, you know, politics in general has a lot of, like, different, you know, cult-like attributes. I'm not going to, you know, sit here and pretend like people don't also do that on my side where people are like, oh, you know, now I'm going to fucking start saying it. The difference is, is, in this case, she's, I like that she's saying out loud the things that are like, well, I was very tolerant and accepting of the idea that this person had done sexual harassment before but now

now that he's coming out and calling us a genocide he's fair game that's just straight up what it is he is fair game now he is dangerous now we need more ships in the space fleet

you gotta create the whole environment where if I'm literally like a cult where if anyone even starts thinking about, thinking about, thinking about leaving, the repercussions will be immeasurable. But it's hilarious because it's, as Khomew said, this is a Twitter. This is a Twitter.

And it's like, we must punish this man. But it's not, yeah, it's not like 1915 or something. Log out. All of a sudden, this dangerous man disappears. He plays no role in your life. He's gone. I killed them. I don't know how.

Maybe that's a solution to, like, a piece everywhere. Their murders no longer exist. The block button. She can't log off because who would combat anti-Semitism. Oh no, what was her name?

No, Angelica. No, Becky, don't leave. I like how that was your white people names. I got to stop myself because I was like Irish and I know it's some weird fucking out of what. Angelica is. Her name's Rachel.

Rachel. Oh, it is Rachel. Rachel's, isn't that technically a Hebrew name? Oh, yeah, yeah, absolutely. There's a lot of Jewish Rachel's, but they're not all Jewish. If you think that's, that's called Rachel profiler. Oh, that's profiling. I see where the community is right now.

I'm going to keep doing that joke on this podcast. It's funnier every time. I don't think I remember it. Oh, I've done it. Thank you. Thank you, Adam. I got a 10 out of 10 from producer Adam. I know they give up those.

The comic passport, I'm revoking it. I think that's episode title worthy, personally. Yeah, yeah. Right, look at that. Well, listen, apparently you haven't heard Rachel profiling, and I love it. Before we get on out of here, we're not going to have time to go through all of the, I mean, just, I just have so many things that I got prepared for this episode. But I do want to do a little bit of Mosin, Madawi. update um which is that if for those you who do not remember um we and we i you know i don't

think we've yet fully discussed this on the pod because so many of these stories happen and we only have you know two episodes a week but uh this is uh someone who was arrested by ice he is a legal permanent resident of the u.s who has lived in vermont uh you know for you know the last decade, who was arrested by ICE in this video. If you haven't seen it, I'm going to play it for you now. It's him being

arrested. At the east side, with the victory sign. And we're going to go around, see what's going on here and they took them and so uh he is you know uh someone who like you know so many others that we have seen and talked about uh he was taken by ice and they tried to and failed to this time uh to transfer him out of vermont they've been doing this thing

that we've talked about on this pod where they are um taking these uh students and immediately shipping them off like abducting them and shipping them to Louisiana where a Trump judge will deport them

which is a fucking insane I mean just an insane sentence that I said but apparently according to NBC news judge says Trump administration can't move detained Palestinian student out of Vermont a federal judge blocked

officials Wednesday from moving a Palestinian student from Columbia University who was taken into custody during his naturalization interview in Vermont. Oh, by the way, that was, he went to do a naturalization interview and that's where he

was abducted. So, U.S. District Judge Jeffrey W. Crawford extended a previous temporary restraining order that keeps the student Mosen Madawi in the state where he is a resident. Madawi is being held at the ice enforcement facility in Vermont.

Fucking, fucking insane, but at the very least, we have this judge who is not moving him. And we can hope for the best from that. These attacks on our universities and our university students are obviously insane. The most recent thing that I've seen is now the Trump administration through the EEOC is starting to text the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, I believe. And I will know. Right off the bat. That was impressive. Yeah. And we'll find out if that was right as soon as Adam does a Google for me. But I'm going to

to assume it's right. Sounds right. They started sending emails and text messages to professors over at Barnard College asking if they were Jewish or not. And let's see, Adam says correct. By the way, I'm correct. I'm the smartest man in the world. And thank you so much.

So here is an email that was sent. Dear faculty and staff. Guten tag. Yeah, good morning. Good morning. Good Morgan. Over Gruber-Stor, Fuhrer. Yeah.

They've received multiple reports that some employees have received text messages. Oh, so this is them, this is actually Barnard responding to it. Here's the text that they got. All right, okay. Gooden talk. The Equal Employment Opportunity Commission is currently reviewing the employment practices of Barnard College. As a current or former employee of Barnard College,

the EEOC requests that you complete a voluntary survey regarding your employment. Please do not take the survey during work hours or on company supplied equipment, whether you currently work for Barnard College or another employer. And then the link opens up to this survey right here. Are you currently, or have you ever been employed by Barnard College? uh yes and then um under that please select all that apply i am jewish i am israeli i have shared jewish slash israeli ancestry i practice judaism other other what do you mean other what are you supposed to fill in other yeah uh wopop balaubab bala bamboom like like like you could

fill in literally anything i am yeah i'm every woman it's all in me like what the I am the walrus. I am the law. Judge, I am the one who knocks. I am the one who knocks. I am what I am. I am whatever you say I am, if I wasn't, then why would I say I am? In the paper, the news, every day I am.

So, you know, it's like these, this is the text that's come out. And then Bernard, I am the man who will fight for your honor. Adam says, I am the very model of a modern major Zionist. Thank you. I'm on that, Adam. I'm going to have to write that one. You're going to write the full version of it? Do it.

Okay, so then Barnard emailed their staff. We've received multiple reports that some employees have received text messages from the EEOC, inviting them to complete a voluntary survey. Bernard was not given advance notice of this outreach. Participation is entirely voluntary. If you choose to respond, please know that both federal law and Bernard policy strictly prohibit any form of retaliation.

Thank you. So I guess that means that even if I don't check any of the boxes, you're not going to fire me for just not being Jewish or not being Israeli. Yeah, I mean... What is the point of this? What are they doing?

I mean, speculation. So here's the story that came out. Because it's online and it's like a form and you know it feels very, let's call it clean, not clean, it's not clean, they're asking you if you're Jewish, but it feels sterilized. Sterilize, yes. But imagine, imagine, I mean, I'm going to use two guys as an example,

you're just sitting at a bar, like completely minding your own business, or at a cafe or whatever. There's just a guy that you don't know that comes up to you, and you're like, yo, bro, you're a fucking Jew, you're Jew. Well, as Adam said to us, as Adam said to us a few days ago, Like, they're investing all this fucking, you know, bureaucratic time and energy into something anyone can get by just getting off the subway in Crown Heights. Yeah. If you ever been to Brooklyn at some point, someone is going to go up to you and ask you if you're Jewish?

And then if you see, depending on whether you say yes or no, they'll give you a candle. Or they'll usher you into a van for you to shake a fucking citrus. A palm frond and a misshapen citrus fruit. Yeah, exactly. It's like, why am I holding a lemon? Or they'll, you know, they'll tie your arm up as if they're about to object you. Yes. No offense to to fillin wearers, but.

I mean, listen, had I been born religious, I absolutely would have used Tofillin in order to do heroin. I would have just wrapped it up, put a little GoPro on top. in order to fill in the gaps in your will to live. That's right. That's right. So there's a whole article that came out about this from The Intercept. Who was it again that wanted to maintain a comprehensive list of Jews historically? I forget the name.

I forget the name. There was one good list. It's Chinler's list is the good list. That's what they're doing now. So Trump administration texted college professors, personal phones to ask you. if they're Jewish. Just a little bit from the story. Most professors at Barnard College received text messages on Monday, notifying them that a federal agency was reviewing the college's employment practices according to copies of the messages reviewed by the intercept. The messages

sent to most Barnard professors' personal cell phones asked them to complete a voluntary survey about their employment. The federal government, quote, the federal government reaching Don't skip the top paragraph there. Oh, okay. Other questions, because we didn't see the rest of it. Other questions asked respondents whether they had been subjected to anti-Semitism, as well as whether they were subject to, quote, unwelcome discussions, graffiti or signs depicting anti-Semitic messages or image, anti-Semitic or anti-Israel protests, unwelcome comments,

jokes or discussions or pressure to abandon change or adopt a practice or religious belief? I mean, first of all, just the idea that you would go to a college campus and somehow avoid pressure to abandon, change, or adopt a practice or religious belief. Have you tried, have you been threatened by changing your mind at the educational institute? Have you ever been subjected to anti-Semitism via reading a book that says the opposite of a core belief that you have? Right.

And as Adam says, when it comes to unwelcome Joe. Have you ever been subjected to an Andrew Schultz stand-up set? Yes or no? Yeah. I mean, just like the idea that what is going to be considered anti-Semitism is going to come down to just like, has any student ever said you're wrong to you in your face, Professor? You may be a victim of Nazism. Full unfortunate weaponization.

Who? You know, cliche by Jesus Christ. I've always thought. I've always thought about the, you know, the woke, whether it's the woke left or woke right approaches to make sure students have a safe space in college. Now we're supposed to be making sure professors have a safe space in college, not to have their beliefs question. Right toys are literally using safe space. Again, we're going back to Rachel profiling. Every accusation is a confession.

That's what has always been this. Yes. Yeah, 100%. But why are they so late? So what's the current big 2025 thing that we'll see that's semi-annoying but sometimes necessary that, you know, leftists to do

that we'll see in 2031 right-wingers. Yeah, they're going to adopt in order to defend the state of Israel. Yeah, it is great. Pressure to abandon change or adopt a practice of religious belief. Yeah, I went to college, and I had a small same-sex relationship,

and now I believe that to be anti-Semitic in nature. Let's see. The federal government reaching out to our personal cell phones to identify who is Jewish is incredibly sinister, said Barnard Associate Professor Debbie Becker, who is Jewish and received the text. Quote, they are clearly targeting what most of the United States, I hope, and I think defines as freedom of speech, but only in the case of anti-Israeli speech.

Got on. Yeah, good. Sounds great. Let's see. In an email to professors on Wednesday, after the Intercept first reported on the text, the General Counsel at Bernard, a women's college affiliated with Columbia University, said the EEOC initiated an investigation against Bernard last summer in to whether school I discriminated against Jewish employees.

I'm going to call it the EOK from that one. Yonk! You know, that's the thing about, like, you know, the EEOC being a tool of this level of, like, you know, obviously repression is one of those, like, weird, sinister things that if a, if a, you know, right wing, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if. Obama did something like this. If a fucking Democrat, they would just be like, this is fascism, you're doing fascism.

This is where affirmative action was always going. Right, exactly. This is what the guy is all, you know, really about. And, uh,

the national institutes of health has gotten on board now. Do you know that like, yeah, they have to sign a loyal, basically a pledge saying they won't do any research affiliated with anyone who engages in boycotts of Israel now?

Yeah. Yeah. You know, and, and, main health crisis that he seems to be looking to eradicate his anti-Israel sentiment. Yeah. I mean, it's just, it's crazy because it's like, you know, in the past, the EEOC has been there

to be the person, the people that you call when you are discriminated against at a job. The idea of using the EEOC in order to go on a fishing expedition for Jewish professors, you know, who might or might not have experienced seeing a graffiti is like so obviously and clearly intended as, well, we're laying the groundwork here to, you know, do a federal, a nationalization of Columbia or whatever, like federally take over or federally defund these institutions, which should be, you know, I think for anyone. normal should be like scary and bad

and fucking insane everything can be co-opted right and that's a cliche as well what I said earlier at 2025 what we might see in 2013 I just got an idea but they're fast they're becoming fast because you know the big whole spiel about DEI this to an extent they're doing

the EI they're fucking but okay they're getting faster it's pretty impressive yeah they're speeding up they're speeding up their ability to co-op anything my culture is not your, what was that? My culture is not your costume.

Yeah, everything they do is like taking the culture and turning into the costume. Yeah, it is just fucking insane the amount of like, yeah, like you said, of co-opting these kinds of, especially like these government organizations that you would assume as like a conservative, small government fucking, you know, psychopathic fascist, that they're just going to be like, let's get rid of it. Let's get rid of the EEOC. Let's get rid of the FDA. Let's get rid of the Department of Educate.

You know, but instead they're like, well, can we use any of these to somehow support Israel? It's like, what the fuck? What is happening? And luckily, we have people like, like, what's his name? Jonathan Greenblatt. He's out here and he's speaking sense on all of this. Here's Greenblatt on CNN. Speaking power to truth.

Yeah. The federal government, which is pumping billions of dollars into higher education, has the right to expect some degree of accountability from them. We've seen, you know, the U.S. government demanded with law enforcement agencies, with other institutions. They're pressing here, and that is long overdue. Now, at the same time, let's also admit that I think there are ways you can tackle anti-Semitism. You can go at this cancer without killing the victim, if you will.

So, for example, our system of higher ed, it's the envy of the world. It fuels innovation. It enables economic prowess. It is so important to our scientific leadership on the planet. I don't want to obliterate the whole thing. Notice that he doesn't, hold on, hold on. Nowhere in there is a celebration or veneration of intellectual freedom. No.

Creative freedom. No. There's just no sense of the universities as an incubator for free independent thinkers. Utility, utility, utility, yeah. Utility for the empire, right? Yes. He is only interested in a version of the university system, the college system, that is there to train people to serve the empire.

Yes, exactly. Very revealing. Specific strategic measures that you can get to the root causes of anti-Semitism, and the federal government has a role to play, but I worry about the overreach. Oh, do we? Could kill the golden goose, if you will. Yeah, we don't want to kill the golden goose.

Yeah. It's 100%, you know, using... Golden goose step. He's like, and you know how much I love gold. Just kidding. Parity jokes. No, but like, he's using, you know, this... what is a repression on free thought and free, you know, speech and intellectual curiosity and

diversity and everything that, like, college offers in it. It is like, how can we, you know, more forcefully turn this, you know, these institutions into what they should have been and were built for, which is a conformity machine. And it is like the willingness the willingness for people to like fucking the ADL and Jonathan Green Black to like completely abandon any semblance of like the idea that maybe you know this is something that even the Jewish students won't like it doesn't matter because it's not about them it's about Israel that's what it's about Adam you're right the Golden Goose is being able to profit

and fundraise unimagined anti-Semitism it's the Golden Grift that's right and Jonathan Green Black is one Greenblatt is one of its most tireless advocates. Yeah, he loves it. So it's quite rich for him to be like, oh, overreach. But, you know, he was happy with the threatened deportation of Mahmoud Khalil. Of course. I mean, and he says that out loud.

And, you know, the thing about this, like, you know, looking at Greenblatt saying something like this is, especially with the like, you know, hedging with the like, you know, the overreach is a little. It's 100% self-preservation because anyone, anyone who's going to be talking about this on the pro side of this is going to have that bit of hedging. And the reason is because they know deep in the back of their twisted little fucking mind that state repression is bad, repression of thought is bad. And that, you know, if you don't think you're next, you're always next. But that's why you redefine, as Daniel perfectly put.

That's why you redefine what the university is supposed to be. So not a bastion of creativity, art, critical thinking, et cetera, et cetera. We take us capitol and we remove that while keeping the pure utility of, you know, creating more managers, more middleman guy. Lawyers, lawyers, lawyers. Yeah, we need more lawyers. Someone's got to read these ancient texts. We've got to just We've got to decipher what they mean

And figure out a way And which to continue to control It is the long-term pitch When it comes to education Especially by Republicans At the States, right? To a certain extent by Dents But Republicans mostly

To completely Remove The The The Way education plays Into people Potentially

Criticizing the state Or criticizing the state of quo Or in this case the big, bad, which is criticizing, you know, American imperial overreach to the prism of Israel. It's just the first stepping stone. That's right.

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