Bad Hasbara - The World's Most Moral Podcast - 107: Less Than Slake, with Ahmed Bharoocha

Episode Date: May 15, 2025

Matt and Daniel are joined by comedian Ahmed Bharoocha to talk over an IDF recruiting commercial, news media getting rope-a-doped again by reports of tension between the US and Israel, and whether nep...o babies should stop gatekeeping caring about occupied peoples, and commit to being gatekept by the true arbiters of who gets to care about causes: opinion columnists.Please donate to Mercy Corps: https://www.mercycorps.org/See The Bitchuation Room with Francesca Fiorentini and Matt Lieb May 30 in Los Angeles: https://bit.ly/bitchuation-laSee Ahmed in Dead Kevin: https://www.youtube.com/@DeadKevinSketchSubscribe to the Patreon https://www.patreon.com/badhasbaraSubscribe/listen to Bad Hasbara wherever you get  your podcasts.Spotify https://open.spotify.com/show/5RDvo87OzNLA78UH82MI55Apple Podcasts https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/bad-hasbara-the-worlds-most-moral-podcast/id1721813926Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/bad-hasbara/donationsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Mashwam hot bitch, a ribbon polo We invented the cherry tomato And weighs USB drives and the iron dome Israeli salad, oozy stent and jopas orange rose Micro chips is us iPhone cameras us Taco salads us Pothobados us
Starting point is 00:00:20 Olive Garden us White foster us Zabrahamas Asvars us everybody and welcome to Bad Hasbara. The world's most moral podcast. Looky, looky. I see a live guest in the flesh.
Starting point is 00:00:42 That's right. That's you. We already, here's the thing, we have a live guest. That means we don't get to do the thing that we usually do, which is make the guests spend about seven to 15 minutes off screen. I can sit on the bed. No, no, no, don't sit on the bed. You are here.
Starting point is 00:01:00 People have already seen you. It is too late. You need to install a soundproof booth in your studio, you know, for guests to wait. Yeah, yeah. And we can just observe them. It's just a very small hot room and they get out and they're just sweaty. And it's like, well, in quiz show, those soundproof booths had a fan, but they could turn it off if they wanted to make the contestant sweat for extra drama.
Starting point is 00:01:24 I just rewatched a quiz show. And who's the host of that? It was the guy who played Jack McGavin. Jack Barry played by Christopher McDonald. Yeah, yeah. And I love that movie because it's low-key
Starting point is 00:01:40 about anti-Semitism. You want to be worshipped? Go to India and move. And it's so funny having John Titoro do it because he's just doing his best impression of the most annoying Jew. That's right.
Starting point is 00:01:52 And he's such a good actor that you're like, yeah, that's what it sounds like. Go ahead. a Ruggler. It's a Jewish delicacy. I'm quite aware of Ruggler. Thank you. So good. This is Ahmed Barucha. We are here with. This is our guest. Thank you so much for coming on the podcast. Thank you. Thanks for having me. I love your podcast. I love that you love the podcast because you are a, you're a comedy colleague. You're not just some guy. And the fact that anyone who does comedy,
Starting point is 00:02:24 you know or who I know personally who actually listens to it I'm just like that's really nice yeah for sure thanks for making it fuck yeah you know doing our best I mean it's easy to have the right politics yeah have the right politics and that real that real comedians find you worth listening to yeah exactly I mean I don't even go to shows I'm not on anymore you know like like you're supposed to like hang out that's like a whole thing with comedy is like oh, you were all going to go to the store and not get on. Yeah. And I'm just like, I would rather die.
Starting point is 00:02:59 I have children. Yeah. Yeah, I'm kind of similar. I tune in to my favorite podcasts every week to see if I'm on. And if I'm not, I just log on. Yeah, right. I'm just like, damn, I'm still on this week. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:03:12 Damn it. It's still not on this American life. I've been calling I. You got to hang out. Then you'll get on. Yeah, you got to hang out in Chicago, wherever meeky meek hangs out. I love. I'm sorry.
Starting point is 00:03:25 I just really love all the names and NPR shows. Everyone sounds like a rapper. And I don't mean like a cool name. I mean like, you know, uh, meeky meek. I mean, that's, that's a great name. Even, even Terry Gross sounds like a horror core rapper. Terry Gross sounds like a fucking rapper, you know, uh, yeah, there's a lot of, there's a lot of cool names.
Starting point is 00:03:47 Uh, five stars in a review. Please do that for us. Those are your marching orders. It's not even an option. Yes. We're not even telling you. We're not even asking you. We're telling you now.
Starting point is 00:03:56 That's the rating of the podcast. It's five stars. And under the review area, just write review. Okay? Stop fucking with me. And make sure you subscribe. Make sure you join the Patreon. Patreon.
Starting point is 00:04:10 com slash bad has bar. We just had a great episode with Greg Stoker. And Adam named it. It's called Dam Stoker's Bacula. Oh, my God. It's just, that's just, mm-hmm. It's one of the best. It's one of the best names for an episode we've ever had.
Starting point is 00:04:28 I told Adam, I don't generally love our episode titles that just are just plays on the guest's name. Yeah. But that one was too good. It's too good. It's too good. And because he's back because he's been on like four years. Oh, I got it immediately. I'm not talking to you.
Starting point is 00:04:44 Okay. Talking to the audience. Yeah, I guess I didn't get it. Because he was bad. And Bram Stoker's Dracula is a movie about a vampire called Dracula. there's a few people who now fully understand it and his name is Greg Stoker yes yes Most importantly
Starting point is 00:05:01 And if you put all those things together You get what's called a pun A really good episode title is what you get Shout out to producer Adam Levin For hitting us with all them Kairons and lower thirds And doing all the other stuff that is very important Behind the scenes
Starting point is 00:05:18 Hitting switches Yeah hitting switches and pulling things fucking bitches and making riches yeah that's better I shouldn't have um and then finally uh please oh new new plug uh the bituation room live is going to be happening over at the elysian theater um uh on may 30th so uh see my wife Francesc Frientini and I and a few other people we're going to do a live podcast there it's going to be a lot of fun and me and me Matt oh are you? you going? No. It's not and I. It's and me. Is it? See my wife and I are doing a show. You can see
Starting point is 00:06:00 my wife and me at that show. Because you wouldn't say you can see I at the show. You'd say you unless you were Rastafari. Unless I was Rasta. Excuse I. I might be, I might be, you don't know what my religion is. The Royal. Excuse I. I and I are offended. Sorry, Iye, aye, aye, y, bye, brap, brumbo clot. So there will be a link to that, May 30th, come out to it. Today's episode is brought to you by Mercy Corps. For more than three decades, Mercy Corps has worked in the West Bank and Gaza, meeting critical humanitarian needs. Their programs have supported Palestinian communities by helping communities cope with crisis,
Starting point is 00:06:43 supporting marginalized and vulnerable youth and increasing economic opportunities. Please go and donate to that before you even think about getting any bonus content because that is stupid and what they do is good. Mercycore.org.org. That's M-E-R-C-Y-C-O-R-P-S dot org-R-G. Do it now. Daniel, what's the spin? A few things here. Today, apparently, is Stevie Wonder's 75th birthday. Oh.
Starting point is 00:07:18 So I've got my favorite Stevie album here, Inervisions. Okay. That's nice. Is that the one that has Is Inchie Lovely on it? No, I think Is In She Lovely is on the brilliant, but overlong songs in the Key of Life. Oh, yeah, that is a good one. Yeah. This is the one with Living for the City.
Starting point is 00:07:39 Oh, that's a great song. And too high and don't you worry about a thing. Those are all good songs. You know, he's going places that Stevie Wonder. Never heard of him. He says some guy. He's amazing. And then, in honor of a concert I'm seeing later this week, a few albums by one of my favorite
Starting point is 00:08:00 groups of all time, Living Color. Oh, shit. You're going to go see Living Color Live? In Patchogue, Long Island. as yeah at the 35th anniversary of this album here their second album and i think their greatest album times up which i remember getting the cassette of right when it came out in the summer of 1990 and i remember first listening to it on a chartered yacht that took us us usually we took bc ferries to get to zinous summer camp of course this year that year for some reason they
Starting point is 00:08:35 charted like a yacht to get across the strait of georgia And I was listening to this album and it just, it just blew my freaking mind. So first up is vivid from 1988, then times up 1990 and finally Stain. Do you mean breaking in your wetsuit? Do you mean Cory Glover's body glove outfit there at him? Or do you mean the yacht going down? I assume he means the first one and the second one at the same time. Anyway, they still sound incredibly.
Starting point is 00:09:08 incredible. I saw them twice last year once in Nottingham, UK, and once in a free concert here in New York. And yeah, I just seeing them as medicine for me. Do you think Living Color gets a cut of the show in Living Color? There was some kind of lawsuit. I think there was some kind of something. I'm not sure how it got resolved. If someone, you know, else like came out with a show called Bad Has Barra, the world's most mother most moral other podcast the world's most mother but you know the different yeah on bad as barra well one of the differences in living color doesn't use the you in color living color spells it the british way that see that's where they fucked up living color it's like that uh extra pickup note in the baseline to um ice ice baby that uh you know vanilla ice was like claimed that made it a different
Starting point is 00:09:59 song. Oh, you mean like, da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da. Oh, I've never noticed that. It's not the same. That's what he said. That was his legal argument. Yeah. He said that in court. Yeah, that, that-da-da-da-da. Yeah. And in conclusion, your honor, word to your mother. Yeah. Confession, and I was saying this the other day when under pressure came on somewhere, I don't love that song the way everyone else does. Interesting. It's a good song, but it doesn't. It doesn't do it for me. It doesn't excite you. Oh, all right.
Starting point is 00:10:33 Well, to each their own. Maybe you should add the ice cube. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Vanilla ice cube. Yeah. Maybe that's the one you should check out. Daniel prefers the original sample from Snow's Informer. 100%.
Starting point is 00:10:47 I lick you boom, boom, boom down. I love to lick you boom boom down. So that is what's spinning, apparently, unless I cut one off. And have I mentioned yet on the show that someone is keeping a Spotify playlist of every single album I've ever mentioned in the what's the spin segment and it's now it's about a hundred and twenty five hours long at this
Starting point is 00:11:07 point and every week every week someone updates it with the entire album oh man the whole album Is this someone you? No it's absolutely not no no no I was reading I never do this but I went into the Patreon chat room just a general show discussion room and someone said is there a playlist
Starting point is 00:11:25 and someone said here you go and put a link Wow. That's incredible. I shout out to all of you, voracious hogs out there. Good fans. Yeah, you guys are, you guys are badass. That's cool of you. Because I need to listen to those things. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:11:40 I recommend putting it on shuffle if you're on a long plane. Like, just listen to a very eclectic mix of music, you know? I mean, putting whole albums on a playlist kind of like changes what a playlist is. Yeah. But I like it. Still, not a terrible idea. No. It's more of an archive.
Starting point is 00:11:57 I love that they do that. That's really cool. And also, since I only did the Patreon episode post Cobb Show, I want to say for all the free people, the Cobb Show went really well. Thank you to everyone who came out to see us. It was super fun. And there's going to be, you know, more shows that we plug. And then we will be doing, I swear to God, a bad has bar live show. It will happen. and it'll be so much fun. Also, my friend's dad is in one of the bands you shot it out. I know. You told that to me, Bard, the Canadian. So it turned, and I just got a new old record from them in the mail, their second album, Image. Turns out they're two Irishmen, two Americans, and two French Canadians. Wow.
Starting point is 00:12:50 Look at that. So eclectic. And someone just came up to you at the show and said, hey, my dad was in Bard. It was a friend of mine who I used to work with at AJ Plus and said that Daniel, you know, like, shouted out my dad's band. And I was like, which one? She said, Bard. And I was like, I remember that because I remember thinking there's a band named Bard. I love that.
Starting point is 00:13:11 Barred with an E. I mean, they were just a, I didn't think anyone knew of them, but I guess the daughter would. At least one person. I think that's my dad's band. It was a record that my folks had on the record player a lot as a kid and it was one of my favorites. and just, yeah, beautiful, like, Celtic and Gaelic and French Canadian folk music. Yeah, I love that. Well, shout out to my friend and shout out to Bard.
Starting point is 00:13:38 And shout out to everyone. It is time to shout out our guest once again. Ahmed Barucha, comedian extraordinaire, and person who also used to take their kids to the same daycare that my kids go to. Yeah, you can probably see it from your window. 100%. We're like walking distance. I fucking love it. So yeah, everyone, I'm at Bruchia. Hello. Thanks for having me. Thank you for being here. So much to talk about. You're a comedian. You're someone who lives in Los Angeles. And you are someone who is none too pleased with the whole genocide thing. I don't like it. Yeah? I'm not a fan. You're against it. I'm against it. Now, have you considered that, that you might be only thinking that because you are anti-Semitic? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:14:32 Oh, no, that's why. Oh, okay. Well, there we go. Hold on, let me do the alert. Other than that, other than that, it's fine. There's no anti-Semitism in the United States. So, you know, Doc, I've never had a problem with genocides before, but this one seems to be really bothering me.
Starting point is 00:14:52 Like, about the night weren't thinking about it, thinking about the people who were doing it and it just pisses me off. It doesn't sit right with me. It doesn't sit right. Listen, I'll let all sorts of people do genocides. Yeah, we got it. But not those damn Jews. It is, that is the crux of the anti-Semitism argument is essentially like, why can't we do it?
Starting point is 00:15:11 Everybody gets to do it. It's our turn. It's our church. Everybody gets a turn at being bad. So, yeah, you're a comedian. You're in Los Angeles in the industry. And I think one of the things that spurred on this podcast for me was the fact that I had personally known so many people post October 7th who just seemed to kind of lose their minds and sort of noticing a cone of silence around people in the industry, especially in like the comedy world, which I thought was interesting. Yeah, people known to be silent.
Starting point is 00:15:51 comedians. Yeah, comedians are very famously about being tight-lipped. Tight-lipped and silent and censored. We love it. I think in the comedy world, it's called a conehead of silence. That's right. That's right. So I want to ask what your experience was like post-October 7th and what it's been. Yeah, I mean, pretty sad, I guess. But yeah, I don't know. It's been hard to speak out because you kind of shocked by that it's a bad thing to show empathy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like we had, like, you know, friends, I'd definitely like family friends that had to, like, you know, completely shattered the relationship where I was just like, I just don't want little kids to die.
Starting point is 00:16:38 And they're like, you what? You're bad. Yeah. Did you consider which kinds of kids? Yeah, yeah, but you don't know those kids. Yeah, you don't even know them. Those are bad kids. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:16:47 But, Ahmed, I mean, as far as empathy goes, If your empathy for one side isn't canceled out by equal and perhaps even more empathy for the other side, is it really empathy? You're right. That's so true. I haven't thought of it like that. Yeah. This is actually an intervention. We're doing a heel turn on this podcast.
Starting point is 00:17:05 It's called Good Hasbara now. But we're going to spell it H-E-A-L. I think I even myself felt for H-E-A-L before. H-E-A-L? Yeah, heel-turn. Oh, heel-turn. I love it. It's your turn to heal.
Starting point is 00:17:19 Not bad, Hasbara. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Hey, not bad. It's like okay computer. It's like pretty good. That's a new segment for us. When we come across some Hasbara that's actually kind of, you know, you got to hand it to it. We'll do not bad, Hasbara. Not bad, comma, Hasbara. That's a great how to make the bumper. I'm curious if you guys feel like as Hasbara gotten worse or just you're paying more attention? 100% it's gotten worse. Yeah, it's gotten worse because only because I had been and. had been paying attention for a while and it was I was personally expecting people to update the Hezbarah when I would talk to them post-October 7th especially people who were taking the pro-Israel position yeah I was like well certainly they have something new to add yeah that's the waiting like I kept being thinking like well you know I always thought like these family
Starting point is 00:18:17 friends especially that like kind of came at me hard where like I was just kind of always get people the benefit of the doubt. And like, they just don't know what's going on. Right. They, they're just kind of ignorant to it. Then when, like, you know, I'm posting stuff. They're watching it. You're like, oh, hey, they're knowing.
Starting point is 00:18:31 They're learning. And then they'd come at you. Like, wait, you saw it. And you're mad. Yeah. How can you still be mad? And also. To put it in, to put it in psychological terms.
Starting point is 00:18:39 Yes, please. Pop psychological terms. Everyone knows about attachment styles these days, right? Like so and so forth. So Hasbara used to be sort of divided into like anxious. This is not a perfect metaphor, but, it'll do. I expect it to be perfect. Yeah. I expect.
Starting point is 00:18:54 I expect perfection. Yes. Jue. Holding a gun to your head. Do the perfect analogy. All right. Go ahead, Freud, Jr. Used to be either anxious,
Starting point is 00:19:11 Hasbara, like another Holocaust, so and so far, the only safe place, or like avoidant, deflecting. You know, like, look we don't have to explain ourselves at all it's the arabs who have to explain themselves right you know all that kind of stuff now it's like pure disorganized like it's the disorganized attachment style where it's like they'll just throw out anything and one minute they're cajoling you
Starting point is 00:19:35 and trying to be cute and and likable the next minute they're like we're monsters and fuck you pointing it out that just crazy hysterical shit the the the allowing of the TikTok videos, like just the kind of like, oh, well, soldiers will be soldiers. That's how I would sort of phrase it. It's certainly not secure. Yeah. It's been kind of like, you know, like the Hezbara usually, and I've said this before, it usually takes a while between news items in order for the Hezbara to change and people
Starting point is 00:20:13 can, you know, they'll forget the previous, what the previous stance was on one thing. And they'll just do the opposite. And October 7th, at least post-October 7th, they haven't been allowed to do that. So instead, it's just every other, you know, a sentence contradicts the previous one. So it just keeps going around and it sounds completely insane. For example, you know, one of the things that I saw very recently, which just was insane, was the IDF, blowing up a building to do a gender reveal. And I have that video here.
Starting point is 00:20:55 This is Israeli soldiers blow up a building in Gaza to do a gender reveal. You see it blowing up and you see that there's blue smoke coming out of it. And you hear... So all we know is it's going to be in Israeli. Is that a gender? Yeah. Yes. That's all we know.
Starting point is 00:21:14 They're like, and it's Israeli. Yeah, but, you know, like something like that where you're... That's like present, like, that's what they usually present. Like, they're teaching them to hate. It's like, yeah, it was, the gender was revealed in hate. Even pre the baby being born, it is inculcated into your, your hateful ideology. I mean, you're doing a war crime to reveal a gender. Talk about teaching to hate.
Starting point is 00:21:43 But, yeah, I always felt like. Assigned dead at birth. Right, yeah. Adab. Yeah, but I mean. I mean, you know, it's, uh, the Hezbara has definitely gotten worse. Do you, do you, were you familiar, like, um, before October 7th sort of like generally the issue? Yeah, I definitely have obviously like learned a lot more. Um, I have a Palestinian aunt and like cousins. Um, but we, I never, never talked about it. And I probably was, you know, took more, I probably took in Hasbro, you know, like just, uh, is, sorry, is her name, uh, Auntie Israel. Yeah. She's auntie zynist.
Starting point is 00:22:23 We're having fun. But like we never talked about it. And so I never really had like growing up as a kid. It was always just kind of like you knew it was something sad. Like, oh, she's Palestinian. You're like, oh, okay. That was it. Right.
Starting point is 00:22:40 And so, you know, and obviously like you grow up knowing the Holocaust and everything. So you're like, yeah, there should be a safe place for those people. Right. And you're like, that sounds good. And then I think as an. adult I started learning more but not the detail sure sure so I think you know when October 7th happened I already knew enough to go oh no this is not good yes and then you know now very like because I never wanted to say anything wrong especially like people would you know
Starting point is 00:23:06 just at first just going like hey maybe we stop bombing and people like come right yeah you get yelled after that really learn every you know and that's where I realize like you know I usually try to see both sides, but they were like, well, all the things from the sides are lies is crazy. Like, yeah. There is no other hand. Yeah. Dun dun dun dun dun dun dun. So definitely like learned a lot more sense. But you know, I think as a, you know, the last maybe 10 years, I kind of had a somewhat idea of what was happening. Right. I mean, enough so that when October 7th happened, you're saying that you immediately were like, oh, this is going to be, this is going to be bad. Yeah. And I think that's true of a lot of, uh,
Starting point is 00:23:49 a lot of people who had any even like passing knowledge about this we knew this was going to lead especially like the scale of the death on October 7th and the I didn't know this was going to happen like I knew it would be bad right oh no no certainly I didn't know it was going to be genocide but I personally I it was one of those things where I kind of said this is going to be the you know this is the perfect excuse that they will need and the world will let them do an ethnic cleansing. They telegraphed it too. They did.
Starting point is 00:24:29 On day one, we were talking about Amalek. Yeah. Yes. Right? We're citing the Bible's most genocidal verses. All the stuff that seem to be afraid of the other side is just like, that's like they think we're all bad. Right.
Starting point is 00:24:41 Yeah. That's, isn't that what you're saying? Yeah. Yes. And then, of course, you have Gallant with the no food, no water, electricity. I mean, that was no electricity. That was October 8 or 9th. Yeah. I mean, Galant also called them, was it Galant who said human animals? Yeah, you know, in the same, in the same breath. Yeah. Yeah. And we, you know, we knew that they,
Starting point is 00:25:02 for me, it was their inability to, um, even entertain the question about, uh, less civilian casualties, like when they were being interviewed on the news. Yeah. I was like, you're on like British news. You're on like British news. yelling, like browbeating a news anchor for being like, are you guys taking any measures to be careful about civilians? And then there was like, one guy was just like, oh, you care about civilians. How dare you ask that quote? I was like, oh, fuck. Yeah. And their slickest, most genial hasbarist with the perfect English accent, uh, what's his name, Alon Levy. Yes. You know, goes from smiling and, and charming to saying to this,
Starting point is 00:25:48 you know incidentally brown skinned uh interviewer i think of arab descent says i should strongly warn you not to pursue this line of questioning right i have to i have to i have to most forcefully and vigorously caution you against this particular inquiry you know like this like crazy mafia threat in this oxbridge accent in a blue fucking suit yeah yeah and and you know No, it was the, the, you know, immediate fight against trying to contextualize anything that was happening. That was exactly it. I should warn you not to try to contextualize October 7th. Right.
Starting point is 00:26:31 That's actually what he said. Which is such a, it's such a bonkers thing to say unless you are already super pro-Israel, in which case, you know, you are going to already share the delusion with whatever Hasbarus is talking. But for everybody else, it's like. this is weird. Why is this person just saying, you know, I strongly caution you not to read about history for a bit, you know? Yeah. And yeah. So one of the things that, you know, we've talked about Hasbara changing and being kind of contradictory and strange. First thing I want to talk about today is the daughter of Maggie Jillon Hall and Peter Sarsgaard, which they're both
Starting point is 00:27:18 actors if you don't know them maggie jillen hall um it was in the movie secretary also she played um rachel in batman begins part two the dark night uh that's what it's called right batman begins part two the dark night uh she replaced katie holmes and uh she was also in an executive produced a very good david simon show uh the deuce oh yeah that's right the deuce is fucking great. David Simon, I hate... Rob Schnader. Yep, that's it. The Deuce. She plays
Starting point is 00:27:51 Bigelow, male, jingolo. Although, I will say, Duce Bigelow, male jigolo, and the deuce do share a lot of commonalities. They're both very similar in a way. They're both about sex work. One of the best television scenes I've ever seen is in the Deuce
Starting point is 00:28:07 with Maggie Jelenhall and Method Man of all people. He plays a pimp, and she plays a sex worker trying to go it alone. and go solo and make her own films. And there's just this incredible scene between the two of them on the street. Method Man is great in that show.
Starting point is 00:28:22 He did better in that than he did in the wire as cheese. Although I liked him as cheese. Don't get me wrong. It's easy. Civilizing this motherfucker. That's right. A method actor. He is a method actor. He is a method man.
Starting point is 00:28:37 M-E-T-H-O-D actor. And then Peter Sarskard, who is in a bunch of shit. He's like very much that guy from that thing. He's a, you know, you've seen him, you recognize him. I don't know if he's in the Hurt Locker, but he feels like he's in the Hurt Locker. He's a great actor. Every time I see him in something, I'm like, oh, what a good actor.
Starting point is 00:28:59 I can't picture him, but I know the name. If you see him, you'll know him. He's one of those male actors where I'm like, hmm, attractive. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's, God, what is he in? I mean, I've seen him in so many movies. but anyways they have a daughter i get him i always get him mixed up with the other scars guards yeah he's not a scars guard he's not a stallin scars guard no he's not part of the scars guard dynasty yeah he's he's
Starting point is 00:29:26 sarge guard it's a it's a different guy i feel like he doesn't he doesn't guard he doesn't guard scars he guards SARS not scars uh so scars what a stupid bug that's less meaning to me i know what a dumb show we Is that my face numb? Just going down. So they have a daughter, Romona Sarsgaard, who apparently was one of the protesters at Columbia at the pro-Palestine encampments, who recently got arrested. And just the, has bar around it, I've found so funny because it is, it's coming from people who, you know, their entire thing is, I'm against. And then now they have this woke argument about why it's bad for the daughter of a celebrity, or daughter of two celebrities to get arrested for being pro-Palestine. So this is Barry Weiss.
Starting point is 00:30:29 Barry Weiss says, the richest, most privileged people on the planet are drawn to any cause that makes them, if not de-opressed, at least approximate enough to slake their thirst, slake. I got to admit, that's the first slake I've ever seen. I used the words, I used the word slake in a lyric once, and I used it in the context of thirst, and I think my dad said to me, no, you don't slake a thirst, you slake a hunger, you quench a thirst. Yes, that's right. Fuck you, I needed one syllable. Yes.
Starting point is 00:31:03 But also, this is Batya, Ungar Sargon, not very wise. I get them confused because they're both terrible. Bunga, bunga. Yeah, this is Batya bonga bonga sargon of Akkad. And she says, at least proximate enough to slake the thirst of their oppression envy in a milieu that recognized oppression. Recognize oppression is the only form of virtue. I'm sorry, but this word salad to be big mad at daughter is so funny.
Starting point is 00:31:40 But also like Bacha, who is. who now is positioning herself as like a friend of the working class. Oh, yeah. The daughter of a neurologist who went to high school in Israel. Yes. And is using words like milieu in the middle of badly written, overwritten sentences. Yes. To talk about the richest most privileged people.
Starting point is 00:31:58 All our blue-collar uncles use the word miloo. Yeah, mili-year. Tell your dad, you sate hungry, you slate thirst, two out of ten. Thank you very much. I was right? Yeah, apparently you were right. according to producer Adam. And maybe I made it up
Starting point is 00:32:16 and I'm remembering wrong, but maybe it was a dream, but I think my dad actually got that wrong. So yeah, fuck yeah. Take that, dad. Fuck you, dad. I like how you have a victory, but you're trying to undercut it. It's probably wrong.
Starting point is 00:32:26 Yeah, I'm probably still wrong. I can't have been beating my dad. It's probably my dad. It's probably my dad. It's probably my dad. I probably said it wrong. Yeah, you said it wrong. But Bataia also
Starting point is 00:32:41 published a book called Bad News How Woke Media And it's just her news Yeah, bad news And it's just her Twitter feed Bad News How Woke Media is undermining democracy
Starting point is 00:32:53 And you know Obviously Bachi is like one of these Hasbarists who has been I believe she works at Newsweek now She used to be the opinion editor At the Forward Yeah
Starting point is 00:33:06 And she used to be kind of liberal-ish Right, she was total liberal Zionist. She was absolutely the liberal Zionist to fascist you know, uh, Bay-TAR, you know, Zionist's pipeline. Like, she's the perfect example. Uh, and, um,
Starting point is 00:33:23 yeah, uh, she's also shared all these, like, dubious reports of anti-Semitic protests, uh, you know, on college campuses, including at Bard College, you know, shared things that, of people mistranslating or like, you know, miscaptioning what a crowd is saying they're like oh they're saying gas the jews and it's like they are they were not saying
Starting point is 00:33:46 that but it says it in the typing it says it's the bottom of screen and when i hear it i can kind of you know if i squint i can kind of hear it um but yeah just like this type of hasbara is so funny to me because it's coming from this place of like you know tut tutting at nepo babies or at like privilege like just imagine how privileged you are to be at a college just talking about the oppression of others. Have you ever considered how many people you oppress by being a SARS yard? And also like looking down on like these privileged people using their privilege to take genuine bodily risks and like occupy, like, for your principles.
Starting point is 00:34:36 Oh, you can afford to do that. Yeah, exactly. Yes. That's the whole point of the, you know, the whole use your privilege, you know, thing. That's why people say to, you know, use your privilege wisely. It's, you know, exactly. It's a whole liberal thing. And, you know, it's this confusion around, you know, these woke sort of, or quote unquote, woke language.
Starting point is 00:35:02 It's being able to selectively use it in order to, at the end of the day, just support a genocide. I mean, that's what this is. This is in support of a genocide. That's your privilege. That's your privilege. Yeah. How can I wokely scold you? How can I still be a woke scold and love genocide at the same time?
Starting point is 00:35:22 And that's... But also, isn't it woke against privilege? So now she's against woke privilege. Oh, yeah. Oh, and she's been a free speech drumbeater for years and decrying the woke left. I mean, as Norm Finkelstein says, there are legitimate criticisms of how woke progressive politics and hypersensitivity of policing of language paved the way for the right wing like sort of innovated it and whatever but there's hypocrisy on both sides because the fucking
Starting point is 00:35:52 right that made its bones so many of these fucking influencers came you know rose to prominence mocking uh you know weepy sensitive university students are now being like but who will think of the children yeah yeah absolutely and also I mean let's just I mean just breaking down this fucking this word salad here like this is there's so much going on here the most richest most privileged people on the planet are drawn to any cause that makes them if not the oppressed what you can't afford a comma you're so working class you can't pay for some punctuation come on bro let's see if not the oppressed at least proximate enough to slake the thirst of their oppression envy in a milieu that recognizes oppression as the only form of virtue. I'm sorry, but you could not more accurately describe like any liberal Zionist person talking at any point, the idea of like the, you know, the proximity to oppression. What is an American Zionist other than doing proximity to oppression?
Starting point is 00:37:02 What is a person living in Israel doing other than proximity to oppression? And we literally have people using their, the historical trauma in order to justify the current trauma that is being inflicted upon the Palestinians. I can't imagine a more perfect example of what you're talking. In fact, a more devastating example of what you're talking about, you know? Yeah, it's, it's, we're going to hurt you singling. Yeah, we're going to hurt you signaling. Trying to put the Palestinian cause like it's this like elite, like, privilege. thing, like it's coming from this astro-turf, like, oh, it's just these rich people
Starting point is 00:37:41 pretending to care about something. Right. They're putting it in the same, like, category as, you know, when everyone gets together and does the ice bucket challenge. And then they get, like, one, they get, like, one celebrity to do it. And it's like, you're just love causes. It was like the Nancy Pelosi, like, Kuntikinti. Yes.
Starting point is 00:37:59 Like, that's that. I think that is exactly, like, what they're trying to signal with that kind of stuff. It's like, this is, you know, Nancy Pelosi. wearing the Kinte cloth. And that way, I would call it, like, good Hasbara. I think, like, people like Batya. Batya, yeah. They're very good at, like, speaking to that audience,
Starting point is 00:38:16 reminding them of someone that they don't like. Oh, yeah, I don't like rich kids. Rich kids like Palestine? Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I'm against it because I also hate when people are annoying. College kids? College kids are dumb. Right, yeah.
Starting point is 00:38:29 Yeah, they like Palestine. And it's an interesting argument about the effectiveness of it because I do think there is something that is effective about reminding general populations that they hate college kids. Because that has been like, you know, the main takeaway from a lot of like older people. Right.
Starting point is 00:38:51 And we cut now to C-SPAN where we'll see Shabbas Kesterbaum and A.L. Yacobi, tearfully testifying in Congress about how their scrappy bootstripping, University Dreams, Ivy League University Dreams, are being dashed by these privileged Palestinian advocates. Right, right. I mean, they get nothing but airtime and nothing but like space, you know,
Starting point is 00:39:21 to air their grievances about these, you know, these kids. And meanwhile, we're, you know, talking about these protesting college kids, like they're a bunch of privileged, self-centered assholes. You're literally going to Washington to just talk about yourself. He'd be like, these thousands of kids are protesting against genocide, saying words like, I'm against genocide, and I'm going to read into that. And these are the privileged kids who are willing to, like, sacrifice that privilege.
Starting point is 00:39:47 Yes. Who are willing to get expelled? Anyone who's seen the encampments. Yeah. Yeah. You're talking about the documentary? The documentary, yeah. Oh, I still haven't seen it.
Starting point is 00:39:57 Can attest to the fact that, you know, the majority of these kids are coming from what seemed to be pretty humble back. And at the very least, even if they're coming from more wealth or privilege, their actions put them in the firing line of potential serious consequences. Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, you can say, oh, well, that doesn't include Ramona Sarsgaard. You know, yeah, well, that is a perfect reason as to why she would be one who's going to be involved in an action that is like a red action, one that's not, you know, a civil disobedience. and then when the cops come, you go away, which is a perfectly legitimate thing to do, being the one who knows beforehand, this action will most likely end up in arrest. And someone who has the means in order to fight whatever charges
Starting point is 00:40:50 or whatever, you know, even expulsion, should be doing that if they believe in this. I think that is a very brave and righteous thing to do. Nah, Matt, they're just going to jail to pad their resume. Right, exactly. It was just doing it to be cool. Just slaking their thirst. Yeah, they're just slaking, dude.
Starting point is 00:41:09 Well, I'm less than slake about this. Yeah, but I don't know. It's seeing this type of Hasbara, you see it now so fast, these contradictory positions. I was talking to Adam about this yesterday, but I was like, there was, you know, we've come to the point now where, like someone will tweet something like as bars will tweet something and it's human nature to think that the thing they tweeted is their position on the subject that's how conversations work the thing someone says is what I think right and then they so quickly will turn around and contradict the last thing they just said so you can't even have a full conversation with them
Starting point is 00:42:00 because you're like everything you're saying is the opposite I'm waiting two seconds and saying the opposite thing and yet I still fall for it I still go like well oh that's her position on this certainly that's consistent along all lines and I still I still fall for it you I still look at that Baja tweet and I go like that's her position on it it's not it's whatever position she needs to take in order for you to be convinced that you should not care about Palestinians dying it's like those episodes of of Star Trek the next generation when the shields were low and they had they decided to like phase frequency shift the the the shields really really fast so that so that you know photon torpedoes from the romulan ship won't be able to you know
Starting point is 00:42:48 crack through them because it's like you know whatever right yeah it's like that yeah I was gonna say that I was gonna say that I was gonna say that too that it's done like that thank God we're taking dilithium crystals says Adams that talking dilethium crystals oh oh Thank you. Thank you so much. I'm taking them, too. Yeah, I've got to take them dialythiums. But yeah, it is, you know, this whole line of, like, Hasbara against these kids and against, you know,
Starting point is 00:43:19 anyone who comes from privilege who is speaking out against this. I think most people do see through it, or at least anyone who's paying attention. It's easy to pick one person to make the face. It's like, oh, look at this rich person that you don't like rich people. Yeah. They're all children of, you know, Maggie Gyllenhaal, every single one, and Amalek. Amalek and Maggie Gyllenha had a baby named Ramona,
Starting point is 00:43:43 and she is invited on this podcast. Any Nepo babies who stand up to the Israel lobby, stand up to their college campuses, stand up to, you know, all of the public pressure and private pressure, they are all invited on this podcast. Well, one thing we can say about Maggie Gillenhall, clearly she's less than Jake a little button on your other joke there that is because Jake Zillenhall yeah are they siblings I think they are yeah they're brother-sister that's
Starting point is 00:44:15 gotta be so cool Jake's my thirst yeah Jake my thirsts I'm thirsty for Jake my music is not a costume Daniel oh that's right sorry Adam he loves ska well let's take a quick commercial break and then we will come right
Starting point is 00:44:33 back. So everyone, please stick around, listen to these commercials. Apologies for that one that was an oil company. I don't choose it. And we will be right back. And we're back. This Basbar, World's Most Moral Podcast. I'm here in studio with my guest, our guest. I'm Ed Barucha. How are you doing, Doc? Good. How are you? Pretty good. Do you like being in my studio with me? Yeah, it's nice. I want a studio. You can sleep in that bed. Oh, nice. I'm feeling marginalized. I would love for you to come over and sleep in the bed, Daniel. That's not what I mean. I just mean that my face is like smushed against the side of the screen because you guys need the wide shut. That's a good point. I could, you know, here we go. Let's try this. Yeah, that's good. No, no, no, no, it's not. No, no, it's not.
Starting point is 00:45:22 There we go. Is that a tiny guitar? Let me see. It looked tiny when we saw it. Oh, that's just far away. That's just how perspective worked. Oh, no, that looks tiny. You mean the black one? Yeah. Well, speaking. Speaking of Living Color, that is a Vernon Reed signature PRS. He designed the pick guard there, and it's to his specifications. Wow. Yeah. Vernon Reed, huh?
Starting point is 00:45:46 Vernon Reed. Do I know him? He's the guitarist of Living Color. Oh, that's sick. I love that. And it's a cool looking guitar. And I love a PRS. They look cool as shit.
Starting point is 00:45:56 I've never played one, but I know that Santana likes them. Yeah, they're great. That's all he plays. to continue talking about Bad Hezbarra this is a real quick one Betar Matt Yeah the funny thing about this one
Starting point is 00:46:12 Is that we were talking about how Bacha Went on the liberal To To Beatar To fascist You know Adnationalist pipeline Here's
Starting point is 00:46:23 Here's one where Betar has consigned Schumer To go from right-wing extremist on Israel To liberal simp You know So this This is incredible. He's the guy who used to say,
Starting point is 00:46:36 the Palestinians don't deserve the land because they don't believe in the Torah. Right, yes. So Beatar worldwide, this is a quote tweet. First tweet is, Beatar confirms that Chuck Schumer was called a capo to his face at the Nova exhibit
Starting point is 00:46:51 when it was in New York City. He didn't like it. The picture says he likes it. Yeah, I mean, yeah, they shouldn't choose a picture of him looking like he's very much liking something. he's like happy his arms up he's going like hip hip hooray and uh you know the idea that like he was called to capo while he was visiting a like literal propaganda exhibit about the nova festival
Starting point is 00:47:16 what is a capo a capo is like uh it's one of the worst things you can call a jew it means a jew that helps a round up and kill other jews for the sake of an oppressor well that's definitely chuck schumer yeah yeah famously chuck schumer he's always round us up um but But also, you know, like people who were like Nazi collaborators and stuff. To save their own lives. I mean, right, right. It's a highly compromised position. I mean, not to defend capos, but at the same time, I also do feel like the people who call everyone a capo are doing the same kind of like Holocaust revisionism.
Starting point is 00:47:53 Or it's like they're using the Holocaust, again. Yeah, it was all the Jews doing it to the Jews. Yeah, yeah. It was like, you know, the biggest part was all the Jews who killed the Jews. And it's like, all right, you know. Or like slavery, like, black people did slavery. Yeah, black people sold the other black people in slavery. Why don't we yell more about black people?
Starting point is 00:48:12 It just so happens that I'm already yelling about black people. It would be a lot easier for me not to think about yelling about someone else. We need some black on black reparations. Yeah, exactly. Why don't they get reparations for other black people? Yeah, so he's... For us, by us, am I right? Yeah, I got it.
Starting point is 00:48:30 So, Baytark says that. And then they quote tweet themselves, love that. Yes, we confirm, again they're confirming. Baitar leaders were thrown out of the Nova exhibit for calling Schumer a capo. They were all very upset. Why don't more Jews do this? Disrupt the lives of these terrible Jews. That last sentence is.
Starting point is 00:48:55 Disrupt the life of these terrible Jews is, we've gone full circle. Are they pro-CAPO or not? I don't know. Are they pro-Jew? Are they anti-Jew? I just, I love when they just do Nazi talking points. And they go like, I look at the question, why don't more Jews do this? How come I can't get everyone together at my do-Nazi stuff?
Starting point is 00:49:22 I'm a Jew beating. More Jews should be anti-Semitic. I was thinking, like, it's weird. It's on other Jews. There's so many Jews out here who, like would love to disrupt the lives of terrible Jews and they don't do it it's because they're pushies you know I'm trying to think there's a cabal of Jews who are out there it's the new entry and the it's the new entry in the horrible bosses franchise yeah terrible Jews terrible juices
Starting point is 00:49:51 my favorite part of this is that yes we confirm beta leaders were thrown out of nova exhibit for calling Schumericapo it's this kid who's working for the you know the middle school yearbook or the or the school television station right but they're also a member of the bully gang they're like yes i can i hear i confirm that uh that ray feinberg got pantsed today yeah and he cried like a little bitch yeah he was very upset and we saw his penis and i'm going to draw it and post it everywhere why don't more people do this to terrible nerds yeah would do this to these terrible nerds it just seems like fun i feel like it's weird that i'm the
Starting point is 00:50:36 only one sitting here alone doing now do these people actually care like they they're not like chuck schumer they don't like chuck schumer because chuck schumer is democrat and democrats are weak on israel which is crazy because chuck schumer is very strong their bombs are so much weaker yeah their bombs are pussy bombs he's criticized netanyahu right and he also said once, which was pretty notable, he said, you know, an increasing number of young people or maybe young Jews don't even believe in the concept of a Jewish state. And while that's really unfortunate and we need to convince them otherwise, you can kind of understand it. Or at least it was just sort of dealing with it realistically. Like Israel is losing people. And either
Starting point is 00:51:25 it's going to be democratic or it's going to lose its Jewishness. Now, he's not. He's just, doesn't really mean Democratic. Yeah, right. He means Big D Democratic. Right, yes. Yeah. And, you know, it's like this is the constant limbo that anyone who's Zionist and trying to be reasonable, they always find themselves stuck in these positions where there's
Starting point is 00:51:49 immovable ideological points. And that is that Israel must exist and it must exist as a Jewish state. Well, then you can't be mad about everything. you can't be like why are these kids like that we're losing the kids how do we do this fascist thing without losing the kids well you gotta stop doing the fascist thing well i'm not gonna do that and the funniest thing is they still get you know get called a capo by batar people who was ostensibly agree with everything they say oh it's great anyway shout out to uh our anti-zionist king chuck schumer that's just the funniest picture of chuck schumer yeah what is it
Starting point is 00:52:28 He's such a strange-looking guy. Did you see him at that anti-Trump protest on the Capitol steps where they were all these geriatric politicos were chanting, we will win, we will. And he cuts in because he has a better chant. And he's like, rarely close to the microphone, we won't rest. We won't rest. And it's just so. Doesn't matter if we're tired. And then they immediately took an hour.
Starting point is 00:52:58 Yeah, they're like, well, the figure. Metaphorically, of course. We won't take our pills. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Oh, my God. It's like a bunch of Grandpa Simpsons. Just knowing they're all going to rest. It's like you guys are not only going to rest, you're going to die soon.
Starting point is 00:53:19 So I did a media tour doing apologetics for a genocide, which was the style at the time. we want you to call more would it kill you we won't call all right so moving on we have to talk about the top story the release of Edon Alexander this has been
Starting point is 00:53:47 this kind of leads into a bunch of other like fun propaganda stories but first and foremost Edon Alexander was someone who was 19 years old when he was captured while guarding a post near the Gaza border
Starting point is 00:54:00 on October 7th. He was born in Israel. What's an American 19-year-old doing guarding a post? Well, I mean, sometimes you got to go to... You mean he was a goalie? Like, he was guarding the post. But yeah, so he was born in Israel.
Starting point is 00:54:19 He immigrated to the U.S. as a baby with his family, enlisted in the IDF as a volunteer. and he was as a toddler as a toddler yeah first thing he got out of the womb after the they did the gender reveal and they were like we have an Israeli soldier um mommy yes mommy and uh he was captured uh and has been in uh you know in Gaza this entire time until um the president of the United States. Cut the line.
Starting point is 00:54:53 Yeah. Cut the line. Casino magnate, Donald Trump, said, we got to get this guy out. And this is a really interesting story because I feel like there's a lot of misinformation, or not so much misinformation, but a lot of, a foolma can't get fooled again stuff going on here, where we are seeing this sort of Hasbarist Zionist panic. over the fact that Donald Trump is doing things without the consent of the Israeli government. And just very interesting to me the way everyone is getting mad.
Starting point is 00:55:35 So here is this recent video that came out of Donald Trump talking about Gaza. Gaza came up and I said, you know, we've got to be good to Gaza. people are those people are suffering we've got to be good to Gaza we're going to take care of that there's a very big need for medicine food and medicine and we're taking care of it so the you know that's anti-sad better be good to Gaza we got to be good to Gaza Gaza's got to be good and we got to be good to it back now the the way in which people have been talking about this is all very reminiscent of when Biden was president yeah and the way that he's mad at netanyahu yes exactly it was just like you know a leaked anonymous source
Starting point is 00:56:26 says uh Biden is really mad and threatened to he he told Netanyahu that he was going to bite his dick off he called Netanyahu a son of a gun yeah he's like oh it was like hey jack stop doing crime jack and then of course it comes out you know if i can what a few weeks ago that they weren't doing anything there was no pressure on the Israeli government to literally do anything uh you know, to stop bombing, to stop anything. There was always a PR campaign, a PR strategy of, we're going to say we're going to do something
Starting point is 00:56:58 and then allow the Israelis to keep doing what they're doing. I think that does have that, that does have that in common with this. That was a bad sentence. But what's different is that Trump is taking some kind of seemingly unilateral action behind Israel's back. Yes, yes. Israelis and Hasbaris are fucking freaking out about it. Did you see the meme that was going around of Trump as a Hamas?
Starting point is 00:57:26 Oh, yeah. The Trump Hamas meme is back. I haven't seen that. Yeah. It just, they just photoshopped like a Hamas headband onto him. And they're like, here's Hamas Trump, you know. And then when it comes to the Qatari Air Force One, someone did a version of it saying Hamas Force One. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:57:44 So, I mean, even that where he was somewhat feigning. empathy was just Gaza as this like concept I gotta be good to Gaza it's very much like they need medicine Gaza needs medicine he knows he's given two very in very big font talking points
Starting point is 00:58:01 we need to be good to Gaza they need medicine and stuff and and I think he is repeating you know what he you know needs to say for that you know a reporter but at the same time
Starting point is 00:58:16 I, I, the question of whether or not he is actually unilaterally doing stuff. Yeah, I'm skeptical. I'm very skeptical. I'm very skeptical. I don't know. Yeah, because the big thing that I'm seeing from all this is Netanyahu gets a pass to do a hostage exchange without taking any credit for it. So his right wing, you know, fanatics can't get mad at him. I have a theory based on nothing.
Starting point is 00:58:46 go ahead like to create this like false like hey they're pulling away from each other they're not get along and then Trump will go to Saudi Arabia and tell everybody like oh we got this good deal and they're like oh damn it's got to be good because Trump hates Netanyahu and they're going to do it and then they do the deal and then it's just bullshit yeah right and then it's just the the status quo and I think I think the ultimate sign to me that like Trump is just a continuation of the same policies that no matter what kind of PR, is that the policies continue, is that the war continues, is that like pressure is not being applied in the way it would if it were any other country, you know, or if it were a country that the United States genuinely wanted to put
Starting point is 00:59:33 pressure on. If you're not actually willing to take those steps, you might, you know, at best you could say, well, he's circumventing them to get this American back. But I personally am like, yeah, but we're, I'm not going to say it here pretending like, oh, man, he's got a good heart for the Gaza. No, agreed. And can we show just the text I just, or the, sorry, screenshot I just sent you? It's from my brother Aaron's latest substack article. I love your, I think it sums this up well.
Starting point is 01:00:01 Hey, so do I. Yeah, this is just a little snippet, a little paragraph from Aaron's substack. Trump has shown mixed signals on that front. Some in the Trump camp voiced disdain for Netanyahu, nothing new here, who's close ties to Trump's first national security adviser, Mike Walts, reportedly led to Walt's dismissal earlier this month. Quote, in MAGA, we are not BB fans, a Trump advisor tells the Washington Post. Trump is adamant.
Starting point is 01:00:24 He wants people to put the guns down. Yet Trump has taken no concrete steps to force Israel into doing that. As U.S. officials explained to the Wall Street Journal, quote, Trump has effectively given Israel the green light to advance throughout the whole of Gaza until Hamas changes course and lays down its arms. In other words, Trump so far has continued the body. Biden policy of providing unrelenting cover for a mass murder. Right.
Starting point is 01:00:48 Completely. And I feel like what I am actually seeing from these stories is you're not seeing that narrative, which is like, you know, if he was against it, he could pressure them to stop. Yeah. He could do that. And we continue this incredibly harmful, incredibly anti-Semitic trope of, well, there's nothing we can do. you know it's like Israel they're making us do it you know oh Trump is you know he's compromised or
Starting point is 01:01:19 whatever as if like Trump can't himself do stuff as if the president of the United States can't do stuff but there is a thread of sorry go ahead on it oh one tiny thing that's like maybe a glimmer of like even if it's not nothing there's no real rift the the feigning of the rift like seems like possibly like Hey, Maga's, some of Maga's base is like, this is, Israel's not that good. Yeah, yeah. So like maybe there's even at least like some sign that there's a, at least a reason to fake this. There's that, there's that, which sort of presumes that Trump is actually responsive to his base, which I think is an open question. But there is the thing that really motivates Trump always is his own narcissism and his own megalomania.
Starting point is 01:02:04 And there's a sense in which I, you know. he's not going to let this little gnome-like Jew, Netanyahu, push him around. Like, he's going to alpha this genocide. And when it stops and when it starts and when it pauses and when there's a release of a hostage. And, you know, Netanyahu's not going to get to claim the big PR victories. Trump will, which is why you see Israelis so fucking pissed off. And they're additionally pissed off that he was released in good condition. And that initially, at least, he said he wasn't going to meet with.
Starting point is 01:02:38 with Netanyahu, but he was going to go to Qatar to meet with Trump to thank him personally. Wow, I didn't know that. And do you think that if Trump actually had an issue with Netanyahu or with it, when is he ever held back? I'm talking about people he fucking hates, you know, this idea to me that like the relationship may be strained in one way or another. I think Trump will, you know, he'll talk, you know, good about someone until he feels like he's ready to throw him in the dirt.
Starting point is 01:03:06 to throw him in the fucking dirt. So I'm not, you know, the idea of the straining of the relationship. For him, I think the only kind of like strategizing that he's doing is just enough PR in order to maybe get some of his base to be happy with him. But also, I do think it is just like, this is a guy who fucking is going to call you a fat pig bitch if he feels like it. It's so hard to actually figure out what's going on with you. Well, so for me, I was thinking about this as a strategy. There was a Jewish insider article that came out, which, by the way, maybe the worst name for a magazine. I don't like it.
Starting point is 01:03:51 It just sounds bad. It doesn't it sound anti-Samaic. I don't like it. Jewish conspirer. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Jewish cabal guys. Jewish insiders. media controller monthly.
Starting point is 01:04:08 Seriously, I swear to God, it's like, why? Why, just name it something better? I don't like it. So Netanyahu calls to wean Israel off US aid amid growing tensions. See, to me, this... Like it's a baby suckling at the teat. Right, exactly. And, you know, it's not to say that it isn't a baby suckling at the teat,
Starting point is 01:04:29 but it's more to say that, like, you know, this idea of, like, like, oh, we got to wean off every time there's a, it just feels like a media strategy. It does. So let's see. Israel needs to begin to move towards ending its reliance on U.S. military aid. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said in a meeting of the Knesset. I agree, 100%.
Starting point is 01:04:51 Who doesn't agree? The only people don't agree is you, Netanyahu. You said in a meeting of the Knesset Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee on Sunday, amid disputes with the Trump administration over a wide range of national. security issues. Quote, we receive close to four billions for arms. I think we will have to wean ourselves off American security aid just as weaned ourselves off of American economic aid.
Starting point is 01:05:17 Netanyahu said and added that. I propose we begin with applesauce and crushed pears. Start there. Wow. We can no longer listen to Miss Rachel. I'm quite partial to Sharon. Lewis and Bram's old records. I'm just saying we do some sort of BDS of American goods, including Ms. Rachel.
Starting point is 01:05:44 Let's see. The American, sorry, the remark was made in the context of talks with the U.S. about the next 10-year aid package for Israel and was unprompted, his spokesman told Jewish insider. Behind close doors. Yeah, I know. It's like, Nanyahu previously spoke of phasing. out U.S. military aid after his disputes with former President Joe Biden and his administration
Starting point is 01:06:10 and his administration about delivering arms to Israel last year. The Trump administration removed some of the restrictions, but there are new tensions between Jerusalem and Washington about a long list of diplomatic and security matters. Medicine. Yeah, medicine, you know, letting people in. Be good. Yeah, being good to Gaza. Israel's defense establishment reportedly prepared plans to attack Iranian nuclear facilities in the coming months, while the Trump administration is now engaged in extensive diplomacy with Iran in hopes of reaching a deal over its nuclear program. Do you say nuclear? Yeah, I do.
Starting point is 01:06:54 I do. And I've never fully understand why that's a problem. It's a nuclear. Nuclear. I mean, it's not a problem at all. I thought of it more of as a George W. Bush kind of thing. I know. Not a coastal elite thing.
Starting point is 01:07:07 I remember when people started giving them shit for that. Yeah, I have a hard time. Nuclear. Nuclear. That was the one George Bush joke where I was like, is he seen it? Yeah, I was like, is that bad? I feel like that and squirrel.
Starting point is 01:07:18 Someone told me I say squirrel wrong. You're saying squirrel right. I don't care. Someone said, squirrel. How do you say milk? Milk? That's what I said. Did I just copy how you said it?
Starting point is 01:07:29 I don't know. I think I said it, right? and you said it right. With Iran in hopes of reaching a deal over its new cooler program, the Trump administration is open to working with Saudi Arabia on a civilian new guiler program, something that Israel has had misgivings about and was previously meant to be a part of a normalization deal between Jerusalem and Riyadh. So, like, this article goes on to talk about what the differences are.
Starting point is 01:07:59 And, you know, it goes into the Edan Alexander thing. In addition, Qatar pushed Hamas to free Israeli-American hostage Edon Alexander, a New Jersey native as a gesture to Trump as he visits Doha, the Gulf State's capital, cutting Israel out of the deal. Jerusalem was also blindsided by the U.S. ceasefire with the Houthis last week, which did not include an end to attacks on Israel, and was announced days after the Yemeni terrorist group shot a missile at Ben-Gurion Airport. Now, this to me...
Starting point is 01:08:37 I like the A missile. Yeah, shot a missile. Yeah, they're like, first of all, how dare you? Shoot multiples like we do. I have to admit, like of all of the empty Arab threats against Israel, the one that always titillates me the most... Yeah. ...is the idea of, like, really taking out that airport. I know.
Starting point is 01:08:57 mean, I mean, obviously death. God, God protect all the, all the people who work there and might be, but like, functionally in terms of like hitting, like, I've been to that airport. And I mean, why am I saying this on the podcast? What is the advantage of this confession whatsoever? I don't know why this is coming out. You're saying you don't like the airport. That's totally legitimate. It's just the layout that you don't. I also think. There's the food courts in the wrong spot. I'd be, I'll be real with you. Also, Burbank Airport. And I love how close. I like. I love how close. I. I like, I love Burbank Airport, the actual airport itself. I'm like, what are we doing here? A lot of people travel through here. Why are we acting like this is an airport that should be this small? Make it a little bit nicer. Anyways, Houthis are listening? I like that it's Burbank Airport and it's literally in the Burbs.
Starting point is 01:09:48 Yeah, it's in the Burbs filled with banks. I don't know. We're going somewhere. But yeah, to me, like I look at this article and I look at the, what we're talking about in terms of differences between them. And to me, they seem very specifically to be differences that would only matter in like Jerusalem local politics. In Israel, Knesset politics, these differences matter.
Starting point is 01:10:15 They matter if, you know, if Netanyahu is going to be attacked, he's going to be attacked from people who are trying to get his job. Right. And to me, that's what I see. this is sort of political calculations where he gets to get away with doing something that the Americans want to do and save face with his
Starting point is 01:10:35 own people in his party who are like, no, but we're supposed to kill him every last man. We can't you know, we can't do hostage deals and negotiations. Meanwhile, you know, this deal with the Houthis, you think Netanyahu's going to cut a deal with the Houthis
Starting point is 01:10:51 fucking like three days after they send a missile to Ben-Gurian airport? He can't do that. He can't do it himself. The United States can do that. And to me, I'm like, this, this all, that's what I see. I think this is a very specific type of Hasbara that is not necessarily accessible to the rest of the American public, but I think it explains these moves. Do you have more articles you want to show about this? Or can I play something I saw on X, which, or Twitter, which, so it's in the private chat. This demonstrates,
Starting point is 01:11:27 I mean, whether it's intended or not, one of the fun consequences of moments like this, is it just discombobulates the professional hasbarists, especially when talking to foreign journalists. This is on Sky News. It does seem that there's a pattern developing.
Starting point is 01:11:44 America has done this deal without Israel. They've done a deal with the Houthis. No Israel. They're talking to Iran. No Israel. Isn't this all humiliating for Benjamin Netanyard? Yeah, that's, again, the story which Hamas wants you to share, but this war will end when the hostages come home and Hamas are gone, simple as that.
Starting point is 01:12:07 I'm a minute before. I'm merely stating facts and asking you questions. You can't answer. They're not facts. They're opinions. They're opinions. We won't rest until your opinion is, Mark. And Mark, you've been wrong about this war in every single moment.
Starting point is 01:12:20 And we've had this discussion over the last 19 months. You've been wrong at every single point. You want to capitulate. Israel to capitulate our mass, and we won't. We won't do it because we're a democracy. I'm happy to be asked questions. I appreciate that. Completely appreciate that.
Starting point is 01:12:36 Ask me a decent question. I'll answer it. Well, please do. Ask me one that, you know, that I am allowed to answer in a way that would make sense. Because this one, I cannot answer. This guy uses a mask. I mean, this is, I think this is a great video because he cannot answer the question. Yeah, with any.
Starting point is 01:12:57 with anything concrete there's no way what he does here he gets another opportunity yeah let's try again buddy tell me where this is wrong did the americans have any involvement in the release of this the israelis have any involvement in the release of this hostage have the israelis had any involvement in the deal with the hoothies that the americans have done is twitch are the israelis talking to iran at the moment that's were my questions where am i wrong on that please tell me because it'll be interesting to know we are closer than ever with our American allies. What you're sharing is a view which Israel's enemies would like to share it to the outside world.
Starting point is 01:13:37 It's not just wrong. It's morally backwards. Let's not confuse the arsonist with the firefighter. We're fighting to defeat Hamas in this war. Walter White saying to Schrader, you know, these wild accusations, they can break up our family. We're closer than ever. So close. I mean, it's great because what he's doing is he's saying, you know,
Starting point is 01:14:04 these questions itself are Hamas propaganda. Because you are not supposed to, you're supposed to infer from this multiple, we can't have you inferring the same thing that Israeli society is inferring. I can't say out loud, yes, we are working with the United States in all of these things. Because if I do that, it ruins the whole, you know, thing at home in Israel. of people being like, hey, fuck you, Netanyahu, you're doing fucking hostage deals and you want to make peace with the Houthis, what the fuck?
Starting point is 01:14:34 So, you know, he's like, you're doing Hamas shit by doing journalism. And you can say, and you can say that the inconsistency and hypocrisy of our, and just incoherence of our position begs the question, but begging is undignified. That's right.
Starting point is 01:14:51 And I refuse to answer any question that begs. Yeah, we're not going to, there's no begging that's going to happen, especially the, question we're so close we're we're we're like fucking best friend inside each we're like yeah dude you should see our bed we share it together and we sleep in it and we cuddle we're so close that america doesn't even have to explain to us why they haven't answered our calls we know they're busy yes yeah we understand them you just don't get it it's because you so my point in sharing that is whatever the truth of the size of or the existence of the rift um
Starting point is 01:15:27 the appearance of it creates, you know, stutteringly, you know, difficult problems for their Hussbaris. And I enjoy that. It's always fun watching them struggle. That like, yeah, the little. No. Stop it. I can't answer that. It's crazy when that happens to something.
Starting point is 01:15:52 You see, like, someone's face just can't stop. Shut up. Shut up. And it's interesting, you know, seeing, you know, because this is, again, there's a lot to balance here about who knows what and who's going to be friends with who and who's not going to be. It's like, so a lot of different audiences are saying different things. So you're going to have these like online Hasbaris be making Trump is fucking Hamas, you know, memes and stuff. And it's just very interesting to me since the return of Idan Alexander, who the Hasbars are mad at. Because a lot of them are, you know, there are the far right-wing ones who don't care about just being mad at Trump.
Starting point is 01:16:35 But then there's a lot of the more reasonable ones, the ones who are like, Trump is still our ally. We know that. We don't want to get into this business of being anti-Trump. That will not help us. Don't wait, Daddy. Yes. So it's been really interesting to watch how mad they have been over, like, or who they're shifting their anger towards. And it's mostly the Red Cross and Qatar.
Starting point is 01:17:01 That is the thing, those are the things they're mad at. So when Idan was returned, this picture was released. The Israeli army via the Red Cross, Idan Alexander, is with us and is in good health. Al Jazeera shares this exclusive photograph of the freed Israeli soldiers. So it's him next to a Red Cross worker, next to three mass Hamas soldiers. And, you know, he's looking healthy.
Starting point is 01:17:31 He's got a, you know, Adidas shirt on and he's got a lanyard on. He's got a cool, like, lanyard. What's that? Yeah. Well, I think, you know, I think all of the freed captives get a lanyard. Really? Yeah. No, it's actually a hotel key card.
Starting point is 01:17:46 He had to use it to get through the tunnels. It's not, it's not a backseat. He's going to the tunnels like that. It's a backstage pass at the war. Very, very important prisoner. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, excuse me, my girlfriend's in there. A lot of people's girlfriends are in there. But when I saw this picture, I thought nothing of it other than like, well, he looks healthy.
Starting point is 01:18:10 Obviously, you know, he's been in captivity for 18 months. It's not like, you know, I'm sure it's incredibly traumatic. But just in terms of like looking at him, you know, visually, I was like, health-wise, this looks good. We'll see, you know, people, there's still going to be issues. I'm not going to, like, sit here and say. oh, he's fucking fine. But I was wanting to see what people were going to be mad at, and this is
Starting point is 01:18:32 what I've been seeing everywhere. This is a bunch of different accounts have been doing this, the face of evil, and they are pointing out the woman in this picture, the red cross worker. This has been something that I have been
Starting point is 01:18:48 shocked to see the amount of people who are going after this specific red cross worker, because this red cross worker has been involved that various different hostage deals like when they are turning over a captive from one person to another in Gaza you see her showing up
Starting point is 01:19:10 this is her with another hostage this is someone who had been in captivity for I think much longer than October 7th I think it was a decade that this person was and you see like this particular worker and I'm like are we going to be Sit here and be mad at the red cross. The red cross is Hamas now?
Starting point is 01:19:31 Yeah. Yeah, they've been Hamas. I mean, it's just, it's just nuts to me that the red cross, like, at some point when you're like looking at just a woman and being like, this is the face of evil, I'm like, look in the fucking mirror. At some point, you've got to be like, damn, this crazy is that every single person who's not me is evil. Yeah. What is this mindset?
Starting point is 01:19:55 have you ever at some point realize you were the problem what is there like are they saying she's she was there on october 7th their whole thing with with the red cross is that they believe that the red cross is in cahoots with hamas because of the fact that they treat hamas like uh like the army that they are you know they she is standing there right next to them in the picture well she's not fighting them well right honestly straight up it's like she has if she wanted to the ability to be in secret talks with Mossad and blow up strategic targets and she chooses not to it's anyone who chooses to be a part of the mediation process this is why cutter is the other group of people we want the hostages but don't go get them right exactly but i'm not going to like talk with guys about how to get them i'm just going to blow up a bunch of guys and maybe get them maybe not i don't know it's there it's their it's their their anger seems to be at people who are mediating. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:20:59 This is the same, whether it's Red Cross or Cutter. Because like, my God, guys, the Cutter shit is crazy. This is, so first,
Starting point is 01:21:08 this is Emily Schrader saying, Edon's family confirms Eidan will fly to Qatar where he will meet with President Trump and the Emir of Qatar. There are no words to express how disgusting this is. Qatar is the regime, which enabled Eden's
Starting point is 01:21:25 captors and torturers to take him and hold him for 19 months. Shame on anyone condoning this absolutely disgraceful act. The last thing this poor boy needs is to be paraded around the Islamist dictator of Qatar like some trophy of Donald Trump. Vile.
Starting point is 01:21:41 She means the last thing we need. I mean, this disgraceful act by whom, Emily? By the hostage himself? By his family? Right. By, is it by Trump? Why is Trump and Qatar? I mean, Trump there, I mean, cutters, and also like this whole idea of like the enabling of fucking, you know,
Starting point is 01:22:03 you are enabling Hamas. It's like mediators by their very existence enable both sides to come to a table and agree on stuff. This, this idea of a, of a mediator somehow being fair game for attacks. I mean, this is, this is not the first time that it seems. desperate. I mean, does you don't. Yeah. What do you do? Oh, you're just going to, you're just going to let Cutter talk to my guy. These guys have been
Starting point is 01:22:35 going fucking crazy. These are all of the tweets. I mean, you really have to like zoom in to see. These are all different as bars yelling the same shit about Cutter over and over and over. So are they mad at Edon for going? They're not yet mad at Edon. They can't be mad at a brave boy,
Starting point is 01:22:51 but they can be mad at a Arab state. That's what they're allowed to do. And they can sort of feign some madness at Donald Trump, but they don't want to be full mad. Yeah, man. So you're seeing this like relationship with Donald Trump being used in the same way as, I don't know,
Starting point is 01:23:12 I'm seeing it as a continuation of Biden. I just think it's the same thing. I think we're all, anyone who is, you know, partisan, is going to believe whatever they want to believe about the person that they like. And so all I would say is everyone, don't kid yourself. Do not allow yourself to believe in any way that, you know, the Biden administration, the Trump administration, no, they're not friends of the Palestinians. And I would like them to be, obviously, but.
Starting point is 01:23:48 Be good to Gaza. Yeah, I would like them to be good to Gaza, but I don't think they're good to. guys that's my opinion um so make sure to vote this november for whoever um no elections this year man what no next year they'll be made terms they got to just keep doing elections man what kind of democracy doesn't have an election every year for the top position that's what i say come on man uh and finally before we get out of here i want to play something that that Honestly, we've pushed this a couple different times because we've been like, no, we need to really sink into this. It's like dive deep into this guy.
Starting point is 01:24:33 This is an IDF commercial. That's right. It's a commercial made by the IDF. And it is, what the fuck does an arm, a conscript army need to do making advertisements? It's not the US army where they're desperate for fucking recruits. Right. Yes. No, I mean, this is, I don't think this is for Israelis. I'll just say this. Okay. In fact, it's for New Jersey people. Yes. Yes. And the question of who it's for beyond New Jersey, honestly, it's for anyone who likes this type of imagery.
Starting point is 01:25:11 And let's see if we can watch this imagery and notice something strange about it. Uh, maybe that it feels a little blood and soily. Let's play it. We cherish. Israeli soldier crawling through mud and then someone killing the land. A kibbutznik digging a trench. Yeah, exactly. Uh, the, the only Somalian Jew dancing.
Starting point is 01:25:41 So a child here. All of the things we have. Oh, let me turn this down real quick. This game is called hide from the black girl. Yeah, I know. Why are they doing hide-and-seek this way? Built upon it. We persevere.
Starting point is 01:25:55 Girls in the way. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Take care of our wounds. Yeah. We never give up. We defend our home. We remember those who sacrificed everything.
Starting point is 01:26:15 I'm sorry. Okay, he's walking through a bunch of graves. I thought he was living. literally walking on some kind of green screen background of like American bills. It does, like, from far away, it does look like he's who's walking over US dollars and he's going to put some flowers on. Four billion a year. Yeah, exactly.
Starting point is 01:26:34 And Bill Burr and Hewell are about to like lay back on it. Yeah. We keep fighting. For the small moments. chilling again make life here worth everything we lift each other up in those small moments we lean on each other because it is our duty to raise the spirit of a nation that never stops believing so now there's a Israeli soldiers coming home hugging their kids.
Starting point is 01:27:22 Everyone's hugging. Now it's a husband, wife, hugging. Then an Israeli soldier comes home. But your gun down. Yeah. So I'm sorry. All right. So this soldier just, I'm sorry.
Starting point is 01:27:35 Just walked into his child's room while he's sleeping. He's like, oh, sorry. I thought I was in Gaza. He's walked in with the fucking M16 still over his soldier. His shoulder. Put it down. Yeah. Like even the.
Starting point is 01:27:49 commercials we have here in the United States with like soldiers the only time we show them holding guns is when they are like in battle yeah this guy's going to his child's bedroom daddy there's not like a place for that in the military base you don't have a drawer at the front everyone take their guns home abba there's a monster under my bed drone strike and born the whole child. The monsters are using human shields. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Monsters under the bed using my child as a human shield.
Starting point is 01:28:29 That's fucking crazy. It is waking up every morning with one mission to fight for our country and to love it even harder. What? Even harder. Dude, if you thought you loved Israel, did you know you could love it so much more fucking hard? I love you so fucking much that I'm going to ski down with my gun
Starting point is 01:28:54 and kill some Inuit children No, this has got to be what fucking like That's the Golanus That's Mount Hermon And that's Syria behind that They're about to ski down the slopes of Syria And just be like Time for more land
Starting point is 01:29:13 Oh that's what they mean by you could love Israel even more. By getting more of Israel. There's more to love. There's more to love. That's the thing. Trying to make it nice and fat. Them feeding birds, dropping. It's so nice how nothing's blown up.
Starting point is 01:29:35 Yeah, no, it's weird. What a nice place to live. It seems like a nice army the way that they, you know, just kind of like hang out and eat food. And if someone asks what independence is, just tell them you have to live here to understand you have to live here to understand
Starting point is 01:29:54 and you can't live here yeah yeah you have to live here you're literally not allowed to live here sorry you can't live here you never can understand you will never understand the only people who will understand are the ones who are allowed to live here
Starting point is 01:30:09 and you know what if you are technically allowed to live here and you don't understand wow fuck you capo kill yourself that is uh it's a it's a beautiful uh ode to 77 years of israeli excellence and independence it really shows the tone deafness of it too like just how like look how nice everything is yeah yeah do you notice how uh you know when you show the soldier at the beginning crawling through the mud the assumption there being that like at one point soldiers are crawling through anything in order to avoid
Starting point is 01:30:45 like opposing gunfire like as if they're like oh boy we gotta get into that and notice they never showed any fighting no right of course it's just always like crawling at least in like America ones you're fighting like a dragon yeah it's right at home with their guns and their kids yeah the only
Starting point is 01:31:01 dragon is a stuffed animal that their child is holding oh my god yeah that shit is like I mean you know ending with you've got you know what does independence mean you have to live here to understand, like the whole country is you have to live here to understand. You have to be like with
Starting point is 01:31:20 the Douglas Murray. Yeah, right. Have you been? Have you been? Have you been? Have you have you been? You've never been. You've never been to Israel. How can you talk about it? Excuse me, I voted to make America great again. How is sending billions of dollars of my tax money to this foreign country making America great again? You have to live here to understand. You don't understand. Just give me the tax dollars. And maybe at some point I can explain to you via some sort of British guy.
Starting point is 01:31:50 You think they're smart. So I'll get the British guy to do it. All right. Thanks for taking my call. Thanks very much. No problem. Bye. Bye.
Starting point is 01:32:00 Bye. Bye. Bye, cattle. Check. Checks in the mail. My welfare checks in the mail. I mean, it is fucking like watching that ad for me. I just, I'm like watching it and I'm going like, yeah, at some point, you realize that there is a bunch of Hasbara that is truly only meant for my grandparents.
Starting point is 01:32:25 You know what I mean? Like, that is truly only meant for this very small select, like, I mean, the amount of American Zionists that there are, it's a huge amount because of how many Christian Zionists there are. But, I mean, compared to the entire, you know, population of the United States, we're talking about, you know, a few million, right? Versus, you know, out of 33 million, however many. And it's just like such specific media. It's for Western Zionists, Christians or Jews, doesn't matter. And, you know, it is just for them to watch and go, like, yeah, this is great.
Starting point is 01:33:09 It's kind of like when I'm trying to watch Yellowstone. Also, there was like, you know, they had like some black actors in there. Yeah, yeah. But it was like either you're there really white or black. And it was like, no, brown. There's like, you're not going to do any brown. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:33:23 Well, there's, they'll have the, the mixed like, you know, safar or Mizrahi. Yeah. The Mizrahi mix, right? But it's, yeah, I love that Israel does the diversity thing by going like, we're so diverse. We got white people and black people. that's every that's every people that's it that's all of them yeah but yeah no watching that i mean i'm just like this is who who who is this for it's for people who already look at israel is a wonderful place yeah like uh the family friends that kind of uh got really mad when was showing empathy
Starting point is 01:34:01 when one went to israel and like was posting all these pictures like oh i really needed this and like just like tables full of like nice like yeah fall offal it's just like crazy to you know in your in your feed to see like starving people and then like someone going oh look at like this is such a nice thing it's like this is so tone deaf yeah yeah yeah it's like look how fine we are right don't you worry about us i mean this is this is a constant thing that we're i'm always like so shocked by is the amount of tone deafness seems to be such that you would actually have to fully deny everything that is happening to Gossans in order to do it unless you are just fully sociopathic. And I just don't think that there's that many sociopaths out there. I think it's
Starting point is 01:34:45 like a blindness. I think it's a blindness too. I'd like to believe it's a blindness. Daniel, what do you think? I think at this point it's a willful blindness. And I think just like the, you know, the inconsistencies you talked about, how they can kind of code switch or phase shift between these two different things. I think Israelis have an incredible capacity to ignore, deny, rationalize, ignore, deny, it rationalize, ignore, it's just kind of this oscillating, you know, sprinkler system that just goes to those three points. And yeah, it doesn't have to cohere because it adds up to not feeling the impact that would ruin your good time. Yeah, yeah, I mean, but-
Starting point is 01:35:34 Unhealthy, right, see, this is very unhealthy. To me, that this feels like Part of the issue I'm having is, I'm like, how long can someone live with this brain? How long before you go fully insane? Well, pretty damn long, actually. Apparently, and that's, I think that to me is what's surprising, and I think-
Starting point is 01:35:56 At least until Israel weans itself off the U.S. taxes. Right, yes. Which it'll never do. That weaning is any day now, folks, any day now. It's a teeny weenie wean. It's a teeny ween. But, yeah, I think that's also part of mine and a lot of other people's resentment about this entire genocide, other than, of course, resenting anyone who does genocide,
Starting point is 01:36:22 is the resenting people who are making us a party to their own insanity. Like, it drives everyone else insane. When you do insane things and refuse to acknowledge the insane things that you're doing, when people call you out on holding these positions for you to immediately, Yeah, go in an attack mode or just defend both the contradictory positions at the same time. It just makes everyone else insane. Yeah. It drives me fucking crazy.
Starting point is 01:36:55 And I don't like feeling crazy. I don't like it. Don't let the bastards drag you down, Matt. Yeah. I'll try not to stay out of that funny farm. That's why I like your podcast because it's not, you know, it's a moment of brevity and with dark stuff.
Starting point is 01:37:10 Yeah. Brevity? That's not a moment of brevity. Levity. Levity, levity. Yeah. Brevity, not so much. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:37:17 If there's one thing I'm not, it's fucking brief. So much to the point. I can't even listen, like, relisten to the podcast or I'm just like, shut up, Matt.
Starting point is 01:37:27 And then Daniel will start talking and I'll be like, this sounds better, but also shut up, seriously seriously you guys shut up all of us yeah I mean and but also our episodes
Starting point is 01:37:39 aren't brief we give I mean we give fucking generous lay length episodes yeah I meant levity there are podcasts that have much bigger patrons than us that give a lot less that's right
Starting point is 01:37:50 in terms of sheer time they're girthy yeah yeah we got a lot of girth in our episodes you know we're not not a lot of depth but a lot of girth every day is girth day with us yeah every day's birthday We're a chode of a podcast, truly.
Starting point is 01:38:03 But I thank you so much for actually listening to it. Yeah, of course. It's nice to, you know, laugh and still, you know. Because that's the thing with the industry is like, sometimes I have a hard time. I love comedy, but it's like I want to laugh, but I don't want to like ignore. Right. No, of course. Of course.
Starting point is 01:38:21 Yeah. And you want, it's like escapism without escaping. Yeah, yeah. It's like, I don't want anyone to escape. but I do want you to be able to engage with this stuff without feeling the need to escape. And, you know, that's good for everyone, except for Daniel and I
Starting point is 01:38:41 because our brains are now much. We've got mush brains. But I thank you for listening, and I thank you for coming on Bad Hezbarra and talking with us. Thanks for having me. Absolutely. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:38:52 Where can people find you? I guess Instagram, Amid Barucha, YouTube, dead Kevin is my sketch group that's right they're fucking hilarious also teach stand-up there's comic comedy classes you can take online or in L.A. I love
Starting point is 01:39:08 that and we'll have a link to those classes on that is a hilarious stand-up comedian Dead Kevin is a hilarious sketch group and you can follow him and just click all the links in the description we'll put it all that let me ask you both this and up in particular
Starting point is 01:39:24 as a stand-up instructor when we eventually do our first ever bad hasborough live show my my goal my secret goal is to like get up there and try stand-up comedy for the first time as like an opener to whatever matt does yeah should i be aiming for like for my first ever time for like a tight five or is that too ambitious should i just be going for like one minute or two minutes like perfect a shorter a shorter period or yeah i would say like three or four i mean tight five is going to be hard for your very first time, unless you, like,
Starting point is 01:40:00 hit some mics or anything. But if it's just, like, your first time doing stand-up, yeah, just be loose a little bit, but... Okay, so a loose three, loose four. I think a loose three. If you can do... I say you could stretch out a loose three to a loose five,
Starting point is 01:40:14 and you do it by welcoming people. Yeah. And that always cuts about 15 seconds off of it. All of a sudden, you're cooking with fucking fire. Yeah, you'll thank a lot of people. That's a good way to start. Yeah, thank you, thank them, everybody thinking. Oh, and then giving it up.
Starting point is 01:40:32 Yeah, give it up. You got to give it up. You've got to give it up. And you just keep, and also thanking another thing for supporting live comedy. Yeah. That's right. Yeah. And there's so many things where people I could ask them to put their hands together for.
Starting point is 01:40:45 Oh, yes. But also, it's going to be your crowd and they're just going to love you. That's true. You're set up to succeed. You are going to be doing it on easy mode, which is why I'm like, feel free. Go for it. And then if, you know, if a joke bombs, you just have a little save. And you're very funny, so I don't think we're going to have a problem.
Starting point is 01:41:03 He's funny, right? Yeah. Yeah. It is its own format, but I'd like to think it would transfer. Yeah. Thank you. I think you'll do great. I also think that there's, I would say there's a 50-50 chance that if we are doing live shows,
Starting point is 01:41:18 we might need to call the live show. Daniel and Matt, do a live podcast. wink, wing, because I have a feeling that the name of the podcast, Bad Hasbara, is going to make it so venues don't want to book us. So we will find out if you see. I would be curious enough. I mean, many people knew what the word Hasbara was. I think very few people did when it started. Yeah. And now more and more, so much so now that Zionists are now saying it's a slur when people use it negatively. They're like, oh, you just mean
Starting point is 01:41:59 lying Jew. And it's like, well, then the Israeli government means that too, because they name their shit Hezbarra. What do you want? What do you want from me? Don't use our branding? Yeah, yeah. Hey, what the hell? We're the ones who say explain. Stop explaining,
Starting point is 01:42:12 explaining. But again, thank you so much. Thank you. It was a pleasure having you. And thank you to everyone out there listening. Patreon.com slash bad as barra bad as barra at gmail.com for all your questions, comments, and concerns. All right, everyone. Thanks again.
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