Bad Hasbara - The World's Most Moral Podcast - 108: And Why You? with Sana Saeed [EXCERPT]

Episode Date: May 20, 2025

Subscribe to the Patreon to get the full episode and an extra Bad Hasbara every week!https://www.patreon.com/badhasbaraMatt and Daniel are joined by returning champion, journalist Sana Saeed to examine NYU withholding the degree of Logan Rozos over his graduation speech. Please donate to Children in Conflict: childreninconflict.orgSee The Bitchuation Room with Francesca Fiorentini and Matt Lieb May 30 in Los Angeles: https://bit.ly/bitchuation-laFind Sana online at https://x.com/sanasaeedSubscribe/listen to Bad Hasbara wherever you get your podcasts.Spotify https://open.spotify.com/show/5RDvo87OzNLA78UH82MI55Apple Podcasts https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/bad-hasbara-the-worlds-most-moral-podcast/id1721813926Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/bad-hasbara/donationsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Hey, what's going on everyone? I'm Matt Lieb. I'm Daniel Matte. And we are here doing a pre-roll bumper for this episode of Bad Hasbarah. Sort of a cold open, except it's not because we're already talking about that there's no mystery to it. There's nothing cold about it. You clicked on it and you're getting something that you expected. But we want to let you know that this is an excerpt from our episode with Sana Saeed.

is it Sade Fuck Saeed It's like somewhere in between It's somewhere in between And as you know I can't do pronunciations correctly

But Sana is someone who I worked with at AJ Plus Also somebody who As a previous former guest of ours It was a really fun episode The full episode Available on Patreon But we liked it so much

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Have you ever heard of it? It's called NYU. And Daniel, you went to NYU. I did. I got a grad degree from NYU. Wow. I entered NYU 20 years ago this September. Oh, yeah.

theater writing. NYU is also the punchline to a one of, you know, one of these jokes that depends on its length, like you tell the joke for 20 minutes and it's in the telling of it, and then there's just a really corny punchline that kind of, you laugh because you're defeated because you've been listening for so long. So there's a, there's a lengthy joke I heard once about, you know, a Jewish immigrant who starts in the old country, the Stettel and leaves his his mamelan, his popola, and moves to New York and moves to the Lower East. side and the tenements and he works his way up and so and so forth and he invests and whatever and then they decide to name a school after him because he's done so much good work in the community

and he uh he he goes to tell his mama uh that that this has happened and she looks at him and she says NYU Enviu. I like it. Enviu. Enviu. That's great. You went to Enviu. And there was recently a, there was a graduation ceremony by the NYU Gallatin School, which I assume there's just different names of schools. Yeah, I went to Tish. Gallatin is closely affiliated. They have like the music production program, I think, engineering. Yeah. So Gallatin had a commencement speaker named Logan Rosos. And he, gave this speech, did you chuckle because did I pronounce the name wrong?

No, you didn't. I chuckled because just remember we were talking before. This is why we had succession in our minds because if you were to, Logan Roy. The student you came up just before him

because it's R-O-Z-O-S was Logan Roy whose commencement speech was just fuck off. Oink for your sausages! I hated that episode. That scene. Oh, I love that.

I think I've never related more to a character. Then who, Greg? No, then Logan, when I was like, yeah, it me when I upload a new episode to Patreon. Go on, it's a game. It's fun. So Logan Rosos is someone who graduated for. from Gallatin gave this commencement speech. I'm gonna play it right now.

For those of you haven't seen it, obviously it's been making its round, so many of you have, but just in case you haven't, here is his speech. Moral and political commitments guide me to say that the only thing that is appropriate to say in this time and to a group this large

is a recognition of the atrocities currently happening in Palestine. The genocide currently occurring, is supported politically and militarily by the United States, is paid for by our tax dollars, and has been live streamed to our phones for the past 18 months, and that I do not wish to speak only to my own politics today, but to speak for all people of conscience,

all people who feel the moral injury of this atrocity. Just to clarify also what you're hearing, too, In the background there, you are hearing cheers, but also jeers and booze from other family and whatnot who are there, who are vocally, you know, letting it be known that they are against what is being said right now. And if your ears are open, you'll notice what is being said right now is a condemnation of genocide. And of American complicity in that genocide. One of the things I love about this clip is watching his demeanor move from such nervousness before he says it. You can feel it also in Basel Adra's Oscar speech.

It wasn't there in Yuval Abrahams because of their different levels of comfort and their different levels of privilege and all that kind of stuff. Right, yes, yes, most importantly. But here unlike Basel, you have someone who speaks, fluent English but he's he's he's he's stuttering a bit or he's hesitant and then as he says it and the jeers start you can feel his courage pick up yes yes and and you know the jeers start and it just makes Logan um you know more firm in what he's saying and also it makes it more powerful what he's saying and I think it's really important to point out what was happening

in the audience of that speech because of the way that people have reacted to it since. Including the school. Including the school. And the reaction to it has been obviously from the Zionist side

pure rage and anger. We had Lizzie Sivetsky is back, friend of the pod. Lizzo Sivetsko. Yeah, Lizzo Svetsko, former almost housewife. of New Jersey, I believe, who ended up quitting the show because she accused everyone of

anti-Semitism, but really it had something to do with matchmaking. And Lizzie went on to make a little video saying how mad she was, especially since Lizzie herself has already had someone canceled from NYU and spoken directly to the dean who said they would never cross her again. And here is that video. The genocide currently occurring is supported politically and militarily by the United States. I don't need to explain to you why this is messed up. You know.

I love that. I don't need to explain you why this is messed up. If you follow me, you know I'm a piece of shit. You already know. You need to say, I had the best years of my life at Gallatin. Last year I made a video calling out Gallatin because there was a professor that they had on staff who spoke openly about his participation in the Intifada, throwing more. Molotov cocktails, never understood why he was high.

I'm sorry, I love that. You had a professor, there was a professor at NYU who participated in the Intifada. I love the idea of that, to her, participating in the Intifada is when you, what, fly over to Palestine and are like, I'm going to do Molotov cocktails as opposed to being someone who lives in occupied apartheid Israel and is, in Palestine, and there is an organic uprising that happened. That is like such... And you're at the receiving end of the collective punishment that ensued there from. Yes, exactly. But of course, you know, participating in the Intifada sounds a lot more, you know, optional.

You know what I mean? It's like the... Yeah, the guy who asked me if my dad was involved in the Holocaust. Was he involved in the Holocaust? Your dad... Yeah, he was heavily involved. He's a Holocaust. survivor. He's a holocaust involved. Yeah. It's just, it sounds worse when you say it this way,

Lizzie, and I think you know that. Fired in the first place. It was only after all the information came out, and there was an uproar that they said he's no longer employed here. I was then brought in. There was an uproars, an uproarsing. Yeah, yeah, which you were the uproar. And she openly admits that. And then she brought in. By the Dean of Gallatin, Victoria Rosner, who asked me if we could have an off-the-record conversation. We sat around a table. We had a very open and honest discussion. I broke down in tears.

I felt like there was a sense of trust there, a sense of understanding, not allowing something like this to happen. And here we are. You promised me. Yeah, straight up, she's about to say. I trust you. She's literally about to say what you're joking she's going to say.

To reach out to you if there was an issue. I don't think you're going to be surprised that I take issue with this. she literally talks about she's like i feel betrayed by the uh the teacher that i snitched to these zionists are such proud snitches it's like it is wild to me i've never seen people who are so proud of the fact that they're like um teacher someone's in trouble Like, these are the most disgusting snitches. Oh, my God. I had not seen that video, so I'm just like...

Yeah, no, it's a lot. And, of course, you know, Lizzie and all of the other, you know, Zionist uproarers got what they wanted. This is the statement that was released by the NYU Gallatin spokesman who said, quote, NYU strongly denounces the choice by a student at the Gallatin School's graduation day, one of over 20 school graduation ceremonies across our campus to misuse his role as student speaker to express his personal and one-sided political views. I have a question. What's the other side? The other side is, nah-uh.

It's, there's, it's, it's, nah-a is the other side. If he'd said, on the one hand, my moral and political conscience impels me as I speak to this large a crowd to acknowledge the atrocities happening in Gaza right now with the complete funding of our government. On the other hand, the Holocaust happened. And sometimes, you know, sometimes there were reasons for things that are beyond our comprehension. Yeah. Yeah, there are some cases in which certain lives are actually worth less than other lives. I could be wrong. I could be wrong, but it's important for us to say both sides of the issue.

I mean, that's, sorry, I interrupted you reading that, but I had to, like, that point about, like, his political opinions and one side. I was like, he's talking about atrocities, one side. The other side of atrocities being committed is there are no other, there are no atrocities being committed. The other side of there's a genocide happening is there, it's genocide did. denialism. Like, you're going to put yourself in a statement and say that. That's what, you know, the D. And genocide denialism is giving them the benefit of the doubt. That's actually an optimistic view of what that means. Because the other side of that is, uh, the one-sided political view is that genocide is bad. Like, have you considered that genocide good?

Yeah. Like, that's, that's an insane thing. Or at, at, at, at, at best, it's like, have you considered that something happened 20 months ago. Right. Right. Something bad also happened 20 months ago. Yes. And that's why I refuse to believe that the comms department was involved in putting that together because I feel like anyone worth a lick of like having a career in comms would

be like maybe don't say one-sided when he's like very explicit in what he's talking about, but just be like his political opinions. Like if anything, right? But to say one-sided, I'm like, oh my God. You put it in writing. Talk about like showing your fucking hand. And it continues. He lied about the speech he was going to deliver, which is now, of course, the main

like Hasbara Line regarding what's going to happen. This was not pre-approved content. This was not pre-approved free speech. Yeah, exactly. This was not pre-approved critical thinking. You said you were going to go up there and say, we're all at crossroads in our lives. And we got a graduation. and then you were going to sing the song

Graduation by Vitamin C as we go on You stated explicitly that your speech would aver that our generation may just be the fulcrum that might turn the tide of history and at the same time

not provide any concrete examples about what in the current moment might need to be turned tidewise. What might need to be changed? And the Dean just should have that have you considered our donors? Yeah, right, straight up.

Have you considered our donors? Yes, because they certainly have with this statement and with this action that they took. He lied about the speech who was going to deliver and violated the commitment he made to comply with our rules. The university is withholding his diploma while we pursue disciplinary actions. NYU is deeply sorry that the audience was subjected to these remarks and that this moment was stolen by someone who abused a privilege that was conferred upon him. This is an insane thing. They are literally withholding his diploma. You know, that thing that he earned?

It's not a privilege to speak at graduate. It's an honor. Yes. And it's an honor that is. He paid for it. He paid for it. He went to student debt for it. He went to student debt for it. What are we talking about?

It's a privilege. Yeah. Absolutely. And the reason this honor was bestowed upon him by, you know, whomever picks the speakers, the commencement speakers, is probably because this person is known for having something to say and was trusted to be smart enough to deliver a speech of, you know, this importance. So the idea that it's like, oh, you abused the privilege by, you know,

we thought you were going to go up there. If you wanted him to go up there and just say like, hey, we're all, you know, in it together, new generation, fucking. Like, maybe don't pick smart people and educate them, you know? Like, you know what I mean? Like, you're, you're, you are asking for people to not learn, which is such an insane thing for a university to do. Can I also just say, like, I really, really loved that he did this and what he said. Like, first of all, he didn't use vague terms.

He was very explicit in his language. I love how, I think too often as well, too many people with all the right intentions, we end up making the United States kind of like a bystander or like a passive partner in this genocide as opposed to the overseer, the funder, the permission giver. And I love how he was like, no, we are doing this. We are culpable. And how, yes, as the jeering also started, he gets stronger and stronger what he's saying. And what made me so happy is like, first of all, I'm looking at this kid who I'm like,

what do you mean he's graduating from college? That's a baby right there. Like, what do you mean? But it's also like, we're old now, sonah. Stop, stop, baby. Do you see this? No, there's no Botox in this face. You're younger than I significantly, but, you know, we're old now.

I guess so, yeah, that just turned 40. I'm 40. What? Because I'm not significantly younger. I'm 37, babes. I'm turning 38. That's significantly younger. But no, my point is that, you know.

I'm turning 50 this year, so both of you need to get off. Wait, what? I know, but you have good. skin. It doesn't matter if you have good skin. Wait, I'm sorry, what? I know. Isn't that crazy? 50? That's insane. Masha La. Like, what? That's crazy. You look really good. I always think Arabs are saying martial law when they say that. I mean, martial law. How do you know they're not? They like the Sharia law. Tell me where I'm wrong. Convinz you what I'm wrong. Tell me where I'm wrong. We do love Sharia law. Anyways, no, what I was saying was so, so here, I think what's also really

incredible is that after 20 months of like all types of violence being used against especially student protesters, right? Whether it's like, you know, knocking their skulls, violently ripping apart their encampments, pursuing all types of legal action. I mean, we have students who've been abducted also by ICE who is rotting in detention. We've had two of them, of course, released. We've had one, a couple already self-deport. Like, there's been such a concerted effort by every level of society, whether it's the universities, themselves, whether it's corporate America. I mean, we remember those articles in early, in late 2023 where it's like, don't hire my law students. Like, you know, like all these

people coming out and being like, don't hire these pro-Palestine kids, et cetera. They have been hit by, including the federal government. And that this kid, Logan, went up on stage knowing what the possible ramifications of it could be, right? He knew what he was risking when he went up there. And he still did it. I think it points so incredibly to like, there is no turning back for this generation and all the generations to come, they are not going to stop because this is their moral. This is the thing that actually brings a lot of young kids right now into their, like, their moral being. This is it.

It's going to be like the evil that they understand. What they understand to be evil is Israel. What they understand, sorry, go ahead. Well, there's, there are fewer and fewer of them that you can lean on by saying, oh, you're going to ruin your chance at a future. this system. What future? Right. Exactly. Exactly. Like there's sufficiently disenchanted, disabused of the notion that the society is making any kind of place for them to thrive if they play by the rules. There's less and less assurance of that. And the hypocrisy and corruptness of

the Western liberal order and Western liberal values, as Omar Al-A-Qad writes about in his book one day, everyone will be against this, which I'm reading now. It's sort of a it's sort of a chronicle of the end of a myth and young people more and more of them just know this implicitly so you don't have that that cudgel to to beat them with and these kids right the ones who graduated last year the ones who are graduating this year the ones who've been going through college these are kids who were born for a lot of them if I'm not mistaken right their first president was Obama right so they're coming into that era they were coming into a financial They live through Occupy Wall Street.

I mean, they're babies, but still, like, that is a political context, right? They saw the BLM movement, George Floyd. They've seen, they've grown up in such a particular political context of, like, even the way we taught, also the access of information that they have, the way they have the ability to connect with people anywhere in the world, right? When I was a kid, learning about Palestine, you had to open up an encyclopedia and listen to what, like, your teacher had to say. which was all like Zionist propaganda anyways. Like, that is how you were learned. Unless you knew Palestinians, unless you actually knew Palestinians, you were not learning about Palestine in any, or like, like I said,

when I grew up in a Muslim household, of course, like, all you really know about Palestine is, uh, the Israelis are occupying it and we got to free it. You know what I'm, we got, we got liberated. That's all you know, you're like, bam, I'm down with that. I don't know what it's all about, but I'm down with that. So these kids are growing up in a very particular political and social context where this is only, like, going to continue to inform how they live in this country.

And exactly, as you said, like, there is no, they see their, what future, right? They're also increasingly seeing, like, how fascistic this country is becoming day by day by day, not just since January 20th, since before then as well. They see it very clearly. And so, yeah, they're going to keep talking about it. And I love that he did this. And, you know what, like, screw NYU for their actions against him. but that's to be expected.

These universities, like, that's what they're going to do. They're not going to support this. These kids, and correct me if I'm wrong here, Sona, but these kids are saying, Yanni future, right? Yeah. Yanni future. Isn't my using that term? What's Yanni mean?

It's an all-purpose word in Arabic that means well or I mean, but it's often used to imply a kind of like, yeah, rightness. Oh, okay. Interesting. as if it's the it's the it's the wayne's world as if oh excuse me the clue the clueless as oh i guess wayne's world proceeds clues that's right that's right um just uh to continue on um the actions that were taken by n yu to punish logan um this also includes erasing logan rosos uh from the website and yu deleted a page highlighting logan rosos uh from its website last night at approximately

8.30 p.m., the pages for the other eight highlighted students, including 20, 25 graduates, are still live. They disappeared a graduating student. They disappeared. Yes, they are digitally disappearing. I'm sorry. When you pull that up, I didn't realize

what his double major was. I'm sorry, cultural criticism and political economy. Beautiful. That is, that's, this couldn't get any better. I had no idea what he had, he didn't even go outside of his lane. Yes, he did. Exactly what he was trained to do.

The idea that you'd be like, oh, well, I didn't know you're going to get all political with it. What is this majors? Cultural criticism and political economy. The idea that you would expect this person to not speak about politics

fucking insane. Also, like, I assume that Logan, and this is my assumption, right, based on his very strong, point in words, that he wasn't just like walking by the protest. Like, he wasn't like, oh, cool, that's happening. Like, I feel like he was probably involved in.

He had said something before, unless he was really like, I'm playing the long game here. Yeah. Unless he's like, really playing the long game. I'm going to wait until I get to do a commencement speech. Yeah. Everyone knows that cultural criticism, the only valid cultural criticism, is writing think pieces about how Marvel movies are taking a strong stand against

Vladimir Putin. That's right. Yeah, that's right. I'm sorry, did someone actually write that? Did anyone actually write that? I guarantee it's been written. Look up Thanos Putin. then I'm sure it exists.

But yeah, it's, it is, it's crazy. And then also the BBC reported on this. I'm just going to read a little. A since deleted profile of Mr. Rosas on NYU's website indicates, indicated he's studied cultural criticism and political economy at a small liberal art school within the campus. In another online profile, Mr. Rosos is described as an actor, artist, and gay, black trans man. NYU is one of 10 universities being investigated by Trump's anti-Semitism task force for incidents on campus since the Israel-Gazalt War began in October, 2023.

NYU was not, however, among 60 universities that were sent letters by the Department of Education, warning of, quote, enforcement action if it did not protect its Jewish students. The U.S. President's son, Barron, is a student at NYU enrolled at the Stern School of Business. I love that name of business. Oh, you're muted, Daniel. Somehow you got muted. I love the, because I wanted to mute myself while I clickety clacked looking for boot and Thanos. I didn't find anything.

But except some memes. There are some memes. Sure. I love the stern school of business. They teach you how to talk. Sternly. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No.

The grumpy school of accounting. Yeah, I'm more of the sort of like cash school of business. just kind of like, I don't know, man, we got a little overhead, but we're pretty much in the black. Baron Trump famously called and, quote, oddity by the head of the college Republicans. Was he? Was he called an oddity? Oh, that's, I mean, he is six foot eight. That's insane, by the way.

Like, what does that, like, what did they feed it? Like, what is going on? Six foot eight. They got something. Like, how tall is Trump? Trump is like six four or six three or something. Oh, really? But as the end of the matchmaker said in Fiddler on the roof, but only side to side.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, could be fat. But yeah. Six eight is. The amount of big mad energy and the amount of obviously, so the amount of pressure on these universities by the Trump administration is obviously, you know, a potent factor in this kind of statement that NYU gave out. But also that statement in and of itself, I think, is

proof of a pretty baked in political bias, especially when you consider the one-sided nature of genocide. But, you know, everyone is big mad about it. Shai

David Die, also mad, and I want to read this wonderful... People have been big mad that you don't play don't play his bumper whenever we mention sometimes oh can i also just say yeah sorry to interrupt but i have to say i was one of like the first well maybe not the one but i was definitely one of the first people that man blocked on there because remember do you guys remember his friends i know but like do you it makes getting laid off all the more worth yeah yeah so do you do you remember when uh he he kind of got

famous by posting this thread about being a jewish father to jewish kids oh no i don't think i remember this is kind of like where he really first got on everyone's radar on Twitter, like, where he had this whole threat about, like, I'm so afraid of my kids, for my kids, et cetera, et cetera. All these students are afraid of my kids. Afraid for my kids, like, all these, like, terrorist sympathizers on campus. And all I did was, I just quote, tweeted him. And I said, I'm sorry.

I just saw a Palestinian man hold his children in, the remains of his children in plastic bags. And you're talking about being scared for your kids on a campus because they're kids who are protesting that, bam, immediately blocked. Yeah. Yeah. No, I mean, you know, this is like. shy with the blocks.

Yeah, he might be shy, but he's not shy with them blocks. But yes, we are talking about shy, did he and die. Fuck, that, fuck, that was the wrong one. God damn it. It's in, it's in, you know. I was like, did we just get hacked by Vatai? I was about to like, oh, here it is. I got it.

Shire, shush, hush. Yeah. That would die. Yes. No, don't give him that song. No, I won't. I won't give it to him. But he's so shy.

That's an even better song. So he wrote this and this is like, I mean, it's so every accusation of confession. We know this. And here's another one. The at NYU student who wasted his commencement speech for performative activism is not a hero. He is a privileged, pampered, petulant child who wants more attention. This is not how adults behave. grow up can you show us how adults behave yes this is how adults behave here's how they

behave yes that that right there not the acts of a petulant child the acts of an adult that's what adults do they stop their little tutzee their feet yeah yeah they go no no no I'm a grown up and the idea he was like it was performative everything you do is a performance shy you're nothing but a performance artist for a genocide and that's your lane you've chosen it

everything you have done and the idea that you know there's this whole like not a hero not brave narrative doing it for clout doing it you know to be get a pat on the back doing something that you know

the real brave thing to do is to be pro Israel in public. This whole narrative is so ridiculous. Considering watching the actual footage, you watch this person nervous about what's happening, what he's about to say, he starts getting booed for it, and he still is going to make his point. He's still going to say it. You see the amount of blowback that they receive. I mean, people, students are getting deported. He's not getting his fucking diploma that he earned. He is going to be in a world of shit for this. And so this whole narrative of like, oh, you think you're so

brave? That's not brave. What's brave is being pro-Israel. Fuck all. Matt, as a black, gay, trans young student, he had privilege to burn. Absolutely. He had nothing but privilege. Just one of the most privileged identities out there. Thank you so much for watching that. Please like and subscribe. And please support us, patreon.com slash badhasbara, or go to badhasbara.com. Ah.