Bad Hasbara - The World's Most Moral Podcast - 109: Living in the Shai-aspora, with Rafael Shimunov

Episode Date: May 22, 2025

Matt and Daniel are joined by political activist Rafael Shimunov to examine the social construct of whiteness as it relates to pod favorite Shai Davidai, to witness a Shai on Shaiel war of words, and to open their collective third eye to irrational hatred of the other while getting a good stretch.Please donate to Gaza Great Minds: gazagreatminds.orgRaf asks New York City voters to rank Zohran Mamdani first, and fill in the rest of their ballot as they please - omitting Cuomo - in the June 24 Democratic mayoral primary.Find Raf online at https://bsky.app/profile/rafaelshimunov.bsky.socialSee The Bitchuation Room with Francesca Fiorentini and Matt Lieb May 30 in Los Angeles: https://bit.ly/bitchuation-laSubscribe to the Patreon https://www.patreon.com/badhasbaraSubscribe/listen to Bad Hasbara wherever you get  your podcasts.Spotify https://open.spotify.com/show/5RDvo87OzNLA78UH82MI55Apple Podcasts https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/bad-hasbara-the-worlds-most-moral-podcast/id1721813926Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/bad-hasbara/donationsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

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which feels like a really weird segue from what you just described. I set you up for that. Yeah, but this whole podcast is a weird segue from things that shouldn't be next to each other. That's right. That's right. No, I saw a headline that, you know, 14,000 children could die in the next 48 hours of starvation,

given the lack of food resources. So let's talk about some comedy albums. How do you feel about comedy albums as a set of comedian? Honestly, I used to love them. I used to listen to them all the time. Then I started doing stand-up, and now I don't even watch comedy specials anymore, mostly because I just like, I see it so much live that, you know, seeing a special doesn't really work.

But there's a lot of classic comedy albums that I still think about to this day that I consider over and over again. A few Brian Regan albums. Nice. What's his name? Fucking early Bill Burr albums and fucking, what is the name of that guy who was in all the, the guy that tool loved? I can't believe I'm blanking on his name. Bill Hicks.

Hicks, yeah, yeah, yeah. Bill Hicks is one of those guys who a lot of like right-wingers have kind of co-opted his image, and then you listen to his albums. And first of all, he was actually very funny. I know he doesn't seem funny because your worst, weirdest uncle keeps posting fake quotes by him, but he was really funny and also incredibly left wing. So he rules. What do you got?

Well, I've got two classic comedy, sorry, one classic comedy album, and two very much not classic comedy album that I've just seen in random, like, vintage shops. Like, I'm not always going to record stores, but you go to, like, a furniture shop. or you're walking around and like, you know, my girlfriend wants to look at lamps or stuff and then there's like a crate full of $2 vinyl. Anyway, here's the arguably the classic one. Oh, yeah, of course.

Eddie Murphy comedian, which is basically the delirious special on record. I remember just, there's some great shit on here. There's some just terrible shit. He has one riff about the sound of Arabic that is just god-awful racist comedy. Just racist. And that's quite aside from all the homophobic shit, the AIDS material.

But, you know, the family barbecue and his impressions of James Brown and all that. But I just remember listening to this album as an 11, 12-year-old and just my eyes going very wide and learning about the world very, very suddenly, very quickly. Absolutely. Yeah. And then a couple. What do we got? I know what you'll make of these. I'm very excited.

Okay. So first of all, what the shit is this? Jackie Martling, normal people are people you don't know that well. It's a goofy white guy making a face. He's making a childish face where you, with your thumbs, you push your mouth into a smile

and then with your index finger, you're pulling your eyes down. Like a child. So first of all, already I'm laughing. Already I'm laughing. But what you don't realize from this is that he's the king of the X-rated one-liners. That's what it says on the back.

And you can call a number, 9-2-2-1 to get your own, X-rated dial-a-joke. He's Long Island's premiere, like, X-rated comedian. And there's like an insert inside of here that says, Hello, my albums are all recorded live at clubs on Long Island. They are intended to spark your party or your spirits anytime you need a belly laugh and a little escape. I'm sorry Why is there an ad for the album You just bought inside of the album

That's more albums And it's like his catalogs That's great I just love that It's like you already got the album Yeah So it's like it's Long Island comedy At its finest circa 1980 something

Producer Adam says that he was Howard Stern's Longtime joke writer until a nasty Falling Out Wow I wonder if a Sibian was involved Crazy That's deep lore there That is deep lower.

Well, I wonder if you know anything about this comedian, Adam. La Wanda, the queen of comedy with her album, Pipeland Dan. Caught you doing it again. What do you see here on this cover, Matt? Okay. So you've got who I assume is Luanda with a rolling pin about to beat up, I assume, Pipelay and Dan, who is sleeping with another one. woman, it looks like.

And he says, just discussing some plumbing, honey. And the woman says, oh, wow, what a wrench. Yes, yes, she sure does. There's speech bubbles on them that look like they were hand drawn. That's right. And there are tracks on this album, well, it's described as a big, bad black bed full of fun for adults only. Some of the tracks are Hannah the Hoare, Pipely and Dan and big fat,

Funky Susie Ann, head artist, Daddy's Dick, and the Dying Whore. Hannah the Whore, I think, was the original title for Mac the Knife. Oh, I thought it was the original title for Hannah Montana. Oh, yeah, right. It could have been that too. Either way. Anyway, that's what I got. I haven't even put these on.

Dude, I just got them for the cover. Luanda seems like legitimately you'll put that on and be. like, this is the funniest thing I've ever heard. Well, actually, the reason I got them is that I got myself a new sampler. Oh. Which is to say my first ever sampler. Yes. And I'm, like, now learning how to sample music.

And I've been, like, trying to remix some jokes. Yeah. Well, I've been taking little clips from Beethoven. Yeah. Clips from Slayer and Aretha Franklin and LaWanda. And, you know, make some, make some interesting music. You're just listening to, you're listening to the Midnight Sonata. and then you hear about pipe laying Dan.

That's incredible. Oh, so that is what is spinning over at the Matase. Thank you so much, Daniel. And now I'm very excited to introduce our guest, returning champion. First time that he's actually been on with you at the same time, Daniel. Usually, I think he's been on when either my wife is co-hosting or you were out of town and it was just,

just me and him. He is an activist from Queens and you know him. You love him. Ladies and gentlemen, everyone else, please welcome back to the show. Raf Shimonov. Hello. Hello.

What's up, dog? How are you doing? I'm doing well. I'm doing well. We're in the middle of election season out here. We just had the Israel Day parade. It's beautiful blue and white flags. Gorgeous. Yeah, a lot of our politics.

All showing up, all showing up. Yeah. So I assume the people marching, in terms of politicians marching in the Israel Day parade, Eric Adams. Absolutely. And Cuomo. Is Cuomo usually the marshal? Yeah, he definitely marched.

And the marshal, like, he gets like the, he gets a little banner on his chest. and like that when I was at school he gets the baton and the you know like the frill the baton with the tassels and shit yeah yeah yeah he does the tricks with it I love it God bless him God bless both of them

New York deserves both can't they both win do we it's what you deserve oh man so there's a lot going on and I thought I would start with an issue that is very important to Jews all around the West. The question of whiteness,

you know, we have often been told by the loony left that because we have white privilege, that all of a sudden it means that we don't have the victim card, which is unfair because I think we all know having both is what makes us us you know what I'm saying? That's right. We are non-binary in that way. That's right, exactly. We don't fall so simply into your white, black binary. We're right

in the middle and we're whatever we need to be when it's convenient. And I believe that one person has a lot to say about this. I'm talking about friend of the pod shy dabby die. He went

on Twitter with a little rant that I think we're all going to enjoy. I just want to read this and get your thoughts. So this is Shai Davidae saying I am an Ashkenazi Jew. Yet when I

moved to the United States in 2010, I was told that I was white and accepted it as fact. I want to know. Making it sound like when I got to Ellis Island and I didn't speak the language, they pointed at me and said, welcome whitey

now join the power structure but you get none of the privileges they had to check all the boxes they changed your last name to Davy Dai and then they called you a white man and spit you on out in 2023 I realize what month

in 2020 I realized that the same people who told me I was white were doing so to erase my Jewish identity mm-hmm mm-hmm so no I'm not white. I'm Jewish. Always have been, always will be. I know it's hard to fathom, but the world doesn't revolve around the egocentric distorted perceptions of American progressive.

You know, he's joining Kendra Moore in this. Remember on the damn album, he says, don't call me, I'm not black no more. Don't call me black no more. Black's only a color. I'm an Israelite. Yeah, that's right. That's true. He's a black Hebrew Israelite now. Yeah, I wonder if his cousin told him about it. Yeah, yeah. The irony, of course, is that the same circles, which rightly insist that race is a social contract, are blind to their own biases when they misidentified Jews as white. Finishing off this thread, he says,

Truth be told, when they say they celebrate every identity, what they mean is they celebrate every identity they approve of. Far left Americans are just as bigoted in their treatment of, as far right Americans. They both insist that they, and only they, can tell us who or what we are. And to both, I have the same answer. Kiss my white passing Jewish ass.

Chef's kiss. I mean, I, I, like, feel, I feel this for him. You know what I mean? It's like, like, he is, he thought he ate so much. You know what I mean? This guy was doing like emojis. He thought he won the fucking blueberry pie eating contest and stand by me. Yes, exactly.

I mean, this is such a funny argument that I've seen happen over and over. I mean, this is not new, I think, especially within Jewish spaces specifically, it's been kind of an argument. It's not really until this, you know, until October 7th, that it's kind of left containment. This idea of white passing Jews or white Jews, you know, being, basically mirroring what is essentially a Nazi argument, which is that they are not white. And I personally love it because the, it does this thing where it erases all of the actual non-white Jews that exist, and it like asserts its own equity.

Ralph puts his hand up. Yeah. Well, but how does it feel, right? Because there's actually a word in modern Hebrew, Le Hich-Tachnaz, I think it means, to make oneself Ashkenazi, which is the process that Mizrahi Jews have had to go through to, credit to Hadar Cohen for teaching me that word. But, you know, and now you here have this, this, this, this, this, this like, pale ass, you know, Ashkenazi, like, like copy of a copy of a copy of the whitest European, uh, trying to misrathify himself. Like him in a Berlin, like, a concert, like a dance hall.

What do you, what do you make of this? Yeah, it is like, it's, it's, it's funny because he is endorsed. He's both endorsed. He kind of almost. gets it. Right. He's saying it's a construct. Yeah. Then he's not acknowledging it as a construct. So when we say, when the left says white, we actually do mean the construct and what you're upholding.

And every single day, he's upholding whiteness. Yes. Every single day. And so he's like almost there. And I almost feel like at this point, at the beginning of like the whole shy era, have all this like like it's sort of like a curve of different emotions

yes first was just like this is the most annoying person in the world yeah he does feel like he was genetically engineered in a lab to be the most obnoxious person who's ever existed yes absolutely and then the arc went to like

oh he's like just attention seeking and then the we found out his parents were or his family were like multi-millioner or billionaire like weapons dealers. And then we found out he wasn't really a professor, but like he sort of like teaches people to use Microsoft Office. I don't know what he was there. And then he that now the arc for me is like sadness. I'm just like forced to really try to like to to really go in

deep on like what makes a shy Davidae. And I thought, When you told me we're going to talk about this today, I actually, I wrote him a letter. I'd love to just like read on here. Absolutely. That would be amazing. Yeah, and I think Adam has the right sound we need for the letter. Great to get some background. I wonder what Shai's childhood was like, what the story behind the story is, his families being weapons dealer.

And it's just like picturing like him looking at his dad in the other room who's ignoring him. And him saying, Daddy, can you play with me instead of the missiles? Or even, I think of a more annoying voice. Like, wow, can you hold me like the missile? Or, and I'm like, shy just growing up, shy. And you're deciding, shy, you're deciding that the only way you can get love from your dad who loves these weapons is to become a weapon. Right?

Become the most dangerous weapon. a Hasbara weapon. And just like Daddy does, Shai, you're a weapon in the middle of a school full of children, of kids. Daddy loves drumbons. You learn to just drone on and on and on. I just want Shai to know that

you're now a weapon and rather successful. You named people who got deported. Yeah. You defame people who may not work again in certain industries, kids. And Daddy loves you now. Yeah. Let me just, Shai, this is Dad. I love you, Shai. You're finally are the weapon of my dreams. And we are okay. We are okay. That's the affirmation he

needs. That's so true. We are okay. We are now okay. You are so okay. You are so okay. I don't know what the next arc, like the next bottom of this arc is, but he reminds me a lot of the feeling that you're describing of like almost pity is the same I feel for Alon Levy, where at some point, whatever institution, you know, made them relevant, abandoned them. And so now they are no longer tied to this institution that gave them, you know, the right to say the things that they're saying. So now it's just kind of into the ether. They spit out this like vitriol and annoying, you know, hot takes and premises. He also was trying to convince someone who abandoned him, his job, his employees, right? It's like that, it's like that Korean musical I told you about last episode, Matt, that my friend wrote about a couple of retired helper bots, these two. Korean robots who are obsolete now

and they've been taken off the market and they're just lonely and looking for meaning that's what these guys are. Hasbarabots that have been, you know, and actually Alon Levy as well as Han Mazig in the last few days have put out these long

soul searching which is to say digging about a millimeter under the surface things about I don't know what to do anymore. I don't really think Hamas, I don't really think Netanyahu wants to bring back the hostages. I'm tired of this war. It has to end. I don't regret a single thing I said. The Palestinians are not subject to a genocide, but this needs to end. Enough of us have died. I'm tired. I don't know what to say. Everyone

hates me. Yeah. It's time to launder. It's time to launder what you did. Oh, yeah. Yes. Before the starvation videos hit, you're going to have your clean hands. I'm tired of my losses. I want to cut them. Yes. Yes. Yes. and it's you know we're going to be of course seeing all of the revisionism amongst this cadre of like genocide has boris for the last 18 months where they're all going to you know pretend as if they always had you know this idea that there should be a ceasefire they always thought that the war should end earlier than it did or they all thought that Netanyahu wasn't the guy and we're all going to sit there and people are going to go, yeah, you know, that's good that you're, and I'm just, and I'm sitting here with the fucking receipts, and I'm going to be like, nope, not allowed. You can't do it. This is how I feel about, we were talking about this before we started recording. Jake Tapper is putting out a book about Biden's, uh, the cover up of Biden's cognitive decline. And I, you know, I have a friend of mine who was like, oh, I can't wait to read that book. I bet it's fascinating. And I'm just like, Jake Tapper, was complicit in it. It's written by the guy who covered it up. Yes. He is what, what is he? Some outside

guy who's just like, oh, did you hear but no, he was doing it. He was, he, the entire Democratic media establishment was going, he's fine. Anyone says not his ageist. And now of course in the middle of shilling for this book, which CNN is constantly

doing now, like every segment has to be about the book. Everyone's rewriting their role in a genocide. Everyone's rewriting their role in whatever thing turned out to maybe look bad historically. And of course the two coverups are not unrelated because of who

fucking greenlit and paid for the genocide itself. Also like a microcosm of like just like Western capitalism, how it works. It creates the conditions for like jazz music and rap music and then profits from it. It creates conditions for gourmet food, which is

like food that came out of like abject poverty and because of capitalism and then sells it back to it. It's a perfect machine in a way. Yes. Yes, 100%. And, you know, we're all going to sit there pretending that any opinion we hold now was one that we held then. And no one is going to question it and no one's going to get in trouble. The difference is in this particular case when it comes to this genocide is like I, you know,

I'm hopeful, but I see this continuing, like, ethnic cleansing, this continuing final solution that's happening in Gaza. And I just don't see any escape from all of these Hasbaris, any escape from their past. I don't see how it's possible historically. They are on record. It's a historical record. You can, you know, pretend at least that Jake Tapper was doing journalism. You can't pretend Alon Levy was. You can't pretend that fucking shy Davy Dai was doing anything.

Was doing scholarship. Yes. You know. So, the real question is, like, what are they actually doing now? Even with these heartfelt posts. Well, look, they're going to get discarded by the people that are embarrassed by them. And we're the ones who are going to have to remember and never let them. You know, forget it.

But all I know is, as we do hold them, as we do hold them accountable, these fucking clowns and genocidal maniacs, there's one thing we should not do. And that's this. Don't call me white. Don't call me white. That's beautiful. Beautiful. That's right. Do not call them white.

They are also not just changing their own story. they're going to change ours. We're going to be the ancestors who they say to the new protesters, they're going to say, why couldn't you be like them? They, you know, when they blocked bridges or when they did this, they did it this way. There's always this kind of rewriting. Yes, 100%.

I prefer the Mexican tallship approach, which is to not block the bridge, but kind of scrape it from underneath. Yeah, scrape it. Yeah. Hold on. We need to play that again. producer adam came up with this

although I suggested the song no effects this is the shy davidai new program don't call me white and we're I think given what you said Matt like it is a meme at this point like Zionists being like this whiteness is being forced upon we can use this so much

it happens all the time love it love it there's Tony Hawk there There's all the white stuff. Oh, it's fantastic. And, you know, shout out. And, you know, I hate to do this because, you know, I still have major, major issues with this liberal Zionist ass. But he, Shail, Benifrin did do this post, a reply to Shai Davidae.

He said, not only are you white, you are the most typical Karen I have ever met. And Shai's response was, one of the people I love the most in this world is named Karen, so I'll take that as a compliment. And Shail just wrote fantastic. Shai versus Shiel is like some kind of Marvel, like, or Star Trek, Shy versus Shai.

The worst Avengers. Well, I'll tell you who the person in the world is called Karen that he loves the most. It's Karen Kayemet, which is the Hebrew name for the Jewish National Fund. That's right. Which marks it, markets itself in when I was a kid, it was, you know, we would take our little siddaka boxes and try to raise money to plant

trees in Israel. Now on their website, they market themselves as your voice in Israel. I saw this the other day. I couldn't believe that slogan. Your voice in Israel. Think about that. There's a charity, a so-called charity, which basically exists to plant invasive species on Palestinian mass graves. Highly flammable invasive species. Who did this to us? Arabs. The Arabs did it by making this climate weird. Why isn't this, why isn't this more like Ukraine? I think Israel's number eight or something on the skin cancer list. You know the expression, you've made your bed now lying it. You've made your forest now burning

it. Yeah, 100%. 100%. There's a few more. You had some responses, but one other person pointed out, you know, this earlier stance he took where he did say he was white. I am straight. I am white. I am male. But let this be clear. No matter what any court says, women have a right to control their own bodies. This is, of course, back in May 3, 2022, before he decided that some women

who lived in a particular part of land don't have the right to control their bodies of the bodies of anyone. Okay, so we need another bumper. Do call me white. Do call me white. When he wants to be a feminist. Offer does not apply in West Banking.

exactly oh my god yeah and uh this was great so he responded to that with nope your nazi friends have always said we weren't white and you daniel responded and your zionazi four bearers have always braggadociously insisted that we were the better to conquer oh that we were that we were white yeah that we were white the better to conquer the savages with you prodigiously gifted misser of points and loser of plots he is gifted at it

it's like you know you can say it's on purpose but I don't know sometimes I just think that the brain rot is so bad within Zionism that missing like points is part of it. And what's really sad is he can't even

take the compliment like I oh yeah you know you see that you saw the other you saw the other post right this is where he wrote to you it goes when they can't refute your claims they just resort to kindergarten level wouldn't expect the wouldn't expect less from the son of a verified hack yeah and i had just all i had said was l-l and and you know in another comment i said boy boy chick let me enjoy your you know let me enjoy what you're putting out into the world yes like take like take the love actually my dad doesn't have a blue check on on on twitter

his speaking of yeah he i don't think my dad's not a verified hack my dad's account is hacked and i can't get access to it anymore i used to actually run his twitter account years and years and years ago well never a better time to not run an account on twitter than right now you gotta mention the shake i used to have to go in early internet to the shakespearean insult generator to get these level of insults of daniel right i know i know it is it's wild it's it's crazy almost an iambic pentameter right it's like yes It's you and fucking like Bill Rawls from the wire who are really good at these types of insults, you gaping Irish asshole. But yeah.

These are shy. Yeah. You know what this? These are for you. Um, but yeah, you, you did a nice little, uh, super califragilistic. This was a little tortured. I love this. It got zero likes.

Oh, I liked this. You said super callous, fragile, piss-take, ex-pet, braggadocious. That part's good. That part's good, yeah. I like that. I didn't read the rest. Anyways, it was great. I loved it, Daniel.

It was so good. And, yeah, this conversation about being white, just to, like, you know, wrap it up. The idea of whiteness is a construct being something that he is acknowledging, like, he did learn something at something. at some point the idea of the social contract of race and then completely miss the part where just because something is a social construct doesn't mean it doesn't exist in the real world and have consequences. There are obviously consequences for whiteness and being white passing and you are part of those

consequences when you uphold white supremacy. Policeman is also a social construct. Yes, right. Prison guard is a social construct. Yeah. Yes. Rapist is a social construct. Yes. And so like this idea that he is, uh, somehow, uh, it's like you said, he's a gifted misser of points, you know, he, he understands being told at least that whiteness is a social construct. And what he took from that is, therefore, uh, I can

have it or not have it based on how I'm feeling, you know, that's what, that's what it means to be a social contract. It means it's completely made up. So at this moment, I am no longer white, so I can no longer be tied into this white, black rubric that, you know, this way of discussing oppression and oppressor. And like, we all just see very clearly what you're doing. Even in the claim he makes after about how it's like some kind of goal of the left

to increase the idea of whiteness is actually the opposite where in like there's a great group called standing up for racial justice and it's a white group of like anti-racist people they recruit other white people to become like true allies and co-conspirators with black and brown folks and and one of the practices and I've done it myself I used to in another life I would film I would be I would pretend I was Zionist and film proud boys who invited me to film them and interview that. and really young men and they were talking about how great whiteness is

and one of the great ways to deconstruct that is to remind each of them of their actual heritage, like their Irish revolutionary heritage, their Italian or their Polish revolutionary heritage, and it kind of breaks apart the myth of whiteness that was created

to, by the right, to erase all of those revolutionary and specific cultures. It's literally the opposite. took from what actually is happening right yeah this is i mean the conversation about you know white pride and whatnot is always boils down to like you're you understand that you have ethnic heritage in there somewhere you're allowed to be proud of whatever ethnic heritage you want being proud of whiteness is like being proud of uh the thing the the the construct specifically created to exist

in opposition to blackness. And to erase your ancestors in the process. There's a little known history in New York City when we became a smaller city because of Chicago, we became the second biggest city. And then because we got really jealous and it wasn't the only reason, but we sort of said, okay, Queens and Brooklyn, you can finally be New York City and absorb that. And now we were the biggest city. And that's how whiteness works in America.

Yes. Once they went out of their numbers, they kind of look at the Italians and the Irish and the Jews and the people who they excluded before and be like, all right, you get it. You can come for now. And then there's like this need for those white people, those ethnic white people, freshly ethnic. All right. You guys can come on board the Titanic. There's these decks down below.

And but then they're the ones who are most vocal because they have to keep proving that they're white. They're the ones who are just most vocally racist and most vocal. And now they're giving it, they're handing it to Jews. And Shai is like, very confused. Well, right. And actually, his understanding of race as a construct coming from this like Zionist angle, it is one-to-one mirrors white supremacist ideology because he's doing what white people and white supremacists do here in the United States, which is, you know, Zionism is essentially

the erasure of the specificity of the Jewish diaspora throughout Europe throughout the Middle East, throughout anywhere in the world and saying no, we are all this one thing. It is this, it is feeding into this. My family is a living testament to that.

We were in Uzbekistan and Tajikistan for thousands of years living with Sunni Muslims and all sorts of people. It's very diverse. Chinese, Koreans, Afghans, everyone. And And once the Ashkenazi people came to us, rather than learn from, oh, wow, they must have some form of Judaism that maybe we can learn from that they've contained over these thousands

years without any kind of influence outside, like what can learn. Instead, they came and said, we're doing everything wrong and made us adopt a European-style clothing. So now even my cousin, who's like a big rabbi, is dressed like he's from medieval Vilna instead of how we used to dress, how rabbis used to dress in in Uzbekistan. And he even has, and his son has a Yiddish accent. We speak like a Farsi type language and we speak Russian and we speak Bukhari. And some of us even speak Korean before we speak any other language.

And then, and then now we have a Yiddish accent. Yeah. It is nuts how much this mirrors the same type of, creation of whiteness as a category, you know, in the United States. It's almost the exact same thing. This complete erasure. It's please call me white. Yes, yes.

It is, please call me white. And yeah, so for I think Shai Davidae, this is a perfect inroad. And I think this is true for actually a lot of the liberal Zionists, the liberal to fascist Zionist pipeline is built a lot. on this line of like you are trying to erase my Jewish identity

by categorizing me as bad whether it's like categorizing me as the oppressor and it's like that doesn't erase your Jewish identity in Israel literally they are oppressing the Palestinian people I don't know what else to tell you.

It might reveal something about what can overlap with being a Jew, which is being a fucking asshole. Being a fucking asshole. It might bust up some of your supremacist ideas that Jew and murderer are necessary antonyms. I'm not saying they're synonyms, but they're also not antonyms.

They're not opposites. They can absolutely coexist or not coexist depending on whether you're murdering or supporting murder, which you are shy, the one-man member of the shy aspera. It's very lonely to be in the Davida The Davy Diaspora

There's no title right there Oh my God, the shy asphra We have a lot more to talk about In terms of the intersection Between white supremacist ideology And Don't call it white I'm sorry, excuse me

The non-white White passing supremacist ideology There we go Revocable whiteness Yes, the revokeable revocable white passingness supremacy ideology and, you know, the sort of Israeli and Western Jewish urge to have dreads. And we're going to talk about that, but first we need to

take a little bit of a break. But please stick around. I and I will be right back. Austin peace, Mattis, Yahoo. And we're back, this bad-ass bar, where's the most moral podcast. We are here with Rafael Shimonov. How you doing, Ralph? I'm doing great. How you doing, Daniel?

As good as I can. And I always glad to be here in this space with y'all. Oh, I love this space. And I love you. And I just say with y'all, I don't talk that way. You can say y'all. Yeah, I know he can, but like I... It's so much easier than saying you all.

you all, it's true. Yeah, it's so nice to be here with you all. Y'all. Y'all. One syllable. Let people say y'all, y'all, y'all. Yeah, y'allah. See? At this point, it's the whitest thing you can do. That's right. It is how Israelis use yala, too. That is exactly right. It is also, yes, we are doing some cultural appropriation because it sounds cooler. But also, white trash people say it. Anyone could say it. It's true. Um, so speaking of white trash, the types of white trash they have out there in the West Bank We're sorting. We're sorting. It's like a recycling bin. Yes, yes, yeah. It is, uh, you know, it's not so much trash as it is compost. Um, and, uh, so there was this article that came out, um, in Haarets

about, uh, these yoga Nazis essentially, uh, that live in, uh, the West Bank settlements and their complete fucking, like, they are hippies slash genocidal maniacs. I think before we get into this store, we all need to take a few cleansing breaths. Okay. So just together guys, just...

Like an ethnic cleansing breath? An ethnic cleansing breath. Okay. Nowward facing length. Just feel your seat. Feel your butt on the seat. Feel the floor supporting you. Feel your feet on the floor.

If that's where they are. And just feel the earth under you, which belongs to you by virtue of your ethnicity and feel your superiority to those below you and then with just breathe in your ethnic supremacy

and breathe out any sense of conscience or guilt that's right and one more time breathing in the right to do whatever the fuck you want and fuck the consequences and breathing out any accountability or not my fault not your fault exactly this is a smotechrist salutation

oh that felt that felt really good i feel centered i feel self-centered i feel centrist yeah i feel this feels good this is this is nice i feel like selfish so it's like jewish and thinking of self selfish um so uh this is but no shellfish no No shellfish, but feel free to be selfish. The Beastie Boys did that rhyme long before we did. Oh, they did? Okay, that's good. Mike, my homie, don't be so selfish.

Get on the mic, because you know you eat shellfish. Fantastic non sequitur and an excellent rhyme. I love it all. You know, sometimes I think about the DSM6 definition of like schizophrenia. And I'm like, if sometimes we, sometimes we sound schizophrenic the way we talk on this podcast. but we're not. We're actually just having fun. So there's a great article in Ha Arets, which is already being, you know,

completely just smeared. The author's being smeared by the psychopaths in the right wing. But fascinating stuff about a very specific type of guy, a girl and guy. And it's called Destroying Gaza, quote, with love. Israel's new yoga nots. yogi Nazis. Yogi Nazis, yes.

So Daniel, do you want to read this for us? Yes, absolutely. Please. Sabheading, who said spirituality and ethnic cleansing don't go together? Israel is full of spiritual types who view the annihilation of the other as a form of personal growth. Shout out to Alon Idon, the, I'm assuming Israeli Jewish author of this article. It's well done.

Rifka Lafayere is a very important. a, quote, facilitator of workshops, meetups, and group sessions on yoga themes, teacher of feminine yoga, and personal development. She lives in the settlement of Shiloh in the Southern West Bank and terms herself a proud Jew who, quote, thinks outside the box. Hell yeah. Lovely. I love that.

Also, she wants to annihilate and expel two million human beings in the Gaza Strip. Now, that sounds like a Daniel Mate or Matt Lieb. No, that's literally in this article. It's not the kind of article of reading. This article is great. Lafayr belongs to a stream within Israeli Judaism that can be described as yogi Nazis, people whose spiritualism underpins their Nazism.

No fucking quarter given here. They are a relatively new substratum, albeit with deep roots in the local culture, that has gained popularity since October 7th, largely because of its ability to weld together concepts that on the surface seem like polar opposites, spirituality and annihilation. empowerment and expulsion, yoga and starvation, retreats, and carpet bombing.

Well, you know, yoga mats, carpet bombing. By the way, shout out to Jasper Nathaniel, who put me on to this article. He posted it in his most recent substack, which you should absolutely subscribe to. Lafayr is a person who believes that, quote, music has the power to alter our consciousness, but also that expelling and annihilating two million Palestinians begins with, quote, alter. one's consciousness. I'm not going to argue with you there.

No, it's true. Both of those things are true. Yeah. You really do need to alter your consciousness in order to, you know, feel like that's okay to do. You know what I mean? Absolutely. You can't have, you can't be conscious and have a conscience at the same time. You know what I mean? That's exactly right. That's right. No, you got to, you got to smoke from that, uh, that crack pipe of moral oblivion. That's right, baby. As Leonard Cohen says, there is a pipe and everything. That's how the crack gets in.

In order to succeed in this important cognitive switch, what the fuck? We have to understand that, quote, we have an enemy here whom we look in the eyes and eliminate. Yes, look them in the eyes. Don't do it behind their backs because we must be in direct and unmediated contact with those we're annihilating. Just real quick, I need to play you a little bit of a video from this particular person they're talking about Lafayere who posts a lot on TikTok and you know if you are if you're getting the feeling that this character seems a little bit too cartoonish that you know saying these things one after the other might be some sort of condensed version of what they say but for humor you are wrong here is uh here is a rivka

Lafayere talking on her TikTok. Listen to me carefully. I love my people with all my heart and I hate my enemy with all my soul and I oppose them with all my strength and these don't contradict each other. You can be a person full of values and love and at the same time it's not a contradiction when you know the truth and you're connected to your people. You also know what's good and what's bad and you oppose your enemy and you know what needs to be done with them.

I hope I have returned this review to you. With God's help, the complete land of Israel is very close. And the pose here, like she's just lounging in the grass, kicking her bare feet up behind her. Right, picking a flower going, like, I'll kill them, I'll kill them not. I'll kill them, I'll kill them not. There was one part of that. I'm not sure if it was included in what you just played, but she's like, for those, who don't understand how you can lead yoga retreats, do asanas, be feminine,

meditate, and want to annihilate your enemy. And I posted, I absolutely have no problem understanding how you can participate in all those activities and still be a raging menace to society asshole. I've seen it many times. Countless times. Mostly in non-genicidal ways, to be honest. That's exactly right, but lady, you are confused if you think we're confused. Right, yeah.

This is not weird to anyone who's been around any spirituality people, you know? That's right. It's like, there's a lot of, of course, great people, but there's always a few who you're like, oh, no, this is to cover up some weird shit. Yeah. Not normal. Yeah, New Age spirituality, especially, which deracinates all spiritual additions from their cultural and territorial context in the context of imperialism and colonialism, and then sells it,

as Roth was saying, to people who want to stay oblivious about it. That's right. Yeah. Just looking at, you know, the amount of like Wu-Anon-type people who popped up in the last like two years. It's just like, yeah. No, I wish I had come up with that pun, but it's like, yeah, there's just, uh, You see it constantly, where the pipeline is surprisingly not as twisty as you would think it is.

No, it's, it's, it's, the pipeline is big, dilated, and lubricated. It is capacious. It can handle a lot. Pipeline Dan is right there. All right. Dan laid that pipe for sure. And to make it, it's a gaping pipeline. Exactly.

And to make it clear that by enemy, she doesn't mean only Hamas terrorists. She clarifies, quote, we are committed to take revenge and destroy Gaza from infant to old woman. Oh, my God. She tops it off with an appropriate Bible verse. Thou shalt blot out the remembrance of Amalek from under heaven. Thou shalt not forget. By the way, while Amalek is up, there's a, I don't know where I saw it. I mean, somewhere online.

There's a clip of an Israeli blonde. woman influencer, maybe on TikTok, pursuing and trying to harass and kind of own this very mild mannered, clearly pious, fellow Jewish, Haifa University Hebraic Studies professor who had just participated in Nakba Day protests. And she's berating him and trying to nail him on all this shit, you know? And he's like, do you know scripture? do you understand and he quotes some scripture to her and then she's like well have you ever heard of amalek right and he says okay great let's talk about the context of that thing and he proceeds to sort of talmudically own her ass like yeah you know and she's just not and she just walks away after this

five-minute exchange and she's like I can't believe these people yeah they're so brainwashed they're so brainwashed it's really something to watch it's all in hebrew and we don't have a translation so i don't know if we'll play it on this show but people should go try to find it i can you know i can probably get a translation all right might be good to show some time i got that last one made i can get more made whose voice was that matt dude that was i think is that is that your daughter yeah that's my daughter she's learned to uh this is how you're to teach her english yes she's learning to reading English by reading MindConf and also translating TikTok videos about yogas who do genocide.

You know, I learned to read by reading my dad's, you know, penthouse forums, you know, under the bed. Okay, so here's the paragraph that. My first sentence was, I never thought it would happen to me. So in terms of how it's possible to hold these seemingly contradictory things, being a narcissist and being a spiritual influencer. Indeed, her answer is simple. Quote, I love my people with an undying love

and I hate my enemy with an undying hatred. One does not contradict the other. One can be a person filled with values and love and at the same time, you also know what is right and what is wrong. You stand firm against your enemy and you know what must be done with them. Breathe through it, Ralph. Breathe, okay?

Just breathe it. These are contradictions. They only seem like contradictions, but in the ultimate oneness of God's truth, all dualities fall away and all is possible. Yoga is actually a Sanskrit word, meaning the union of incompatible moral and political values. I love it.

There is actually something there, though, because you're like, what is yoga other than contorting your body in ways that shouldn't be in order to, reach a position that is once seemed impossible. Morally backward dog. This is mind yoga. So, like, oh, I'm really working on my core, you know, my core sense of ethno superiority.

Yeah, exactly. And if LaFerre's Nazi spiritualism can be written off because she's a settler who's found an efficient solution for realizing the idea of greater Israel, it's worth noting that this is a far broader phenomenon that isn't limited to the occupied territories. All right, this article's getting better and better. Were you going to say something, Roth, before I continue? Oh, no, no, no, no, continue. All right. One day before Holocaust Remembrance Day, for example, stand-up comedian and satirist Gil Kopats, who has been flirting with spirituality and religion for years, posted the following. If you feed sharks, they eventually eat you. If you feed

Gazans, they eventually eat you. I support making sharks extinct and exterminating Gossens. Reflections for Holocaust Remembrance Day 2025. Do we have a picture of Gil Kopats? I don't think we have it. I've got one somewhere. He's the look of this, you know how all like reactionary British comedians look the same? Like they're wearing a little suit and they look like little twats like just, you know, hectoring the audience. Like, oh, are you offended? blah, blah, blah. Israeli comedians all just look miserable. Yes.

And angry. Like, they looked like those two, you know, two nice Jewish boys on that podcast. Right, yeah. It's because, you know, again, this is a society that forgot what makes things funny and only thinks cruelness is funny.

That's right. Yeah. After the post generated a storm, Copats posted a clarification. I don't have an ounce of compassion for the Ghazans. For Arabs as a whole, yes. For human beings as a whole, yes. for sharks, no, and not for human beasts.

Can we just, the sharks thing. I understand you're doing a whole analogy here, but certainly you're just adding sharks to it. You're like, no, I'm serious about sharks too. How are you serious about sharks too? You know how that Israeli surfer got eaten by a shark a couple of last months? I think it's because of Gilcopats.

I think the sharks were leaving Israelis alone until this shit dropped. Yeah, and they were like a good thing. We got to send a message. The sharks are like, we got to attack them before they start attacking us. Also just like the mental, like the, it's just, it's wild to even talk about any animal as not like critical to like, just like an ecosystem. Low level of intellectualism. It's so weird.

This is like a child who's just like, why do we even need bees? Yeah, exactly. And it's like, well, there's actually, they're pretty important. And so I wouldn't just, I understand you don't like the stinger, but I understand you just saw the end of my girl and are, you know, want revenge for Bikoli Culkin, but you need to relax for a second. Just, I mean, obviously, you know, the genocidal language towards, you know, the Palestinian people in Gaza here is the most distressing and discussing. I'm just also weirded out that he's also firm on this anti-shark thing. Seriously. It stopped being an analogy.

He actually hates sharks. I think this is more of hatred towards sharks than anyone. Yeah, I'm not really sure. He's like finally a vehicle to disparage the sharks. I wonder what would happen if you change the vowel in the movie Jaws. Oh, shit. Is that Jews? It doesn't work because it's,

They have to be Palestinian. Or they. Or they. We're going to need a bigger goy. Wow. Spilurga goes deep. Of course, his desire to eradicate millions of people doesn't imply he's a bad person. Indeed, quote, I consider myself to be a humane, liberal, and moral person, he writes.

We know. Yeah, we know. To top it off, he ends the post with a bit of dark humor. It's not genesis. it's pesticide it's essential a regular riot that one eh this is literally a joke i made in my like liberal uh british liberal zionist rap song that's right whereas like it's it's not a wall it's a quarantine the shit is contagious that's right it's not a genocide it's a vaccine it's containment like that's a joke the fact is is this is like again

you can't even parody them because they're just doing Nazism. Well, at least you found a way to make it rhyme with, who cares with the ICJ says. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. There's this tactic that we've seen on the right, on the alt-right years ago. Sure.

Like edge-lording where you like say these kind of things and push the window open of what's normal. But it doesn't feel that way here. It feels like this is a belief. Yes, this is a huge, difference between the edge lord Nazi rhetoric of the United States

calling Puerto Rico a trash island right and that's not to say that any number of these people doing this kind of like Nazi posting alt-right posting the United States wouldn't go all in balls in on the idea of

a Holocaust of illegal immigrants or of immigrants from Mexico or Latin Americans I'm not letting them off the hook I don't know if they'd go all in. They'd go all who cares. Yeah, yeah. I think more so there's that.

But this feels different because it's not trolling to get a response from the libs. Yeah. It's not that at all. It is, at this point, I think it's to let anyone else know who is maybe questioning whether or not is a society serious about that? this you know is it is this a bit is this you know just kind of a weird outlier i think it's just no i need you guys to know how tough i am yeah i am okay with genocide i am about this shit it's like the leather jacket comedian in the united states going yeah i said it i don't fucking care you know women need to cook more but instead it's they're going you know i i don't care we got to kill

all these people like they it's just serious it's just look at me I'm tough and that is uh it's so much more disturbing in fact most of the spiritual vocabulary in Israel has been mobilized in service of yogi nazism take m for example a woman from a large well-to-do city a few kilometers north of Tel Aviv a large city a few kilometers north of Tel Aviv what how many large cities are there are in the entire country that's yeah what is large to you Yeah. Okay. She runs a studio described as, quote, a pleasant space filled with inspiration, which espouses three values, creativity, emotion, experience. In this pleasant space, she facilitates, quote, creativity groups for children from the age of four and up, personal emotional guidance for children and youth, with a gentle connecting and nurturing approach.

All of this happens, of course, in a homey, warm, and professional atmosphere. yet when this same M is shown a video showing a hungry child in the Gaza Strip, she asserts immediately, not credible. Sorry, I've seen how clips are staged, positioning, applying makeup, putting together a script. Never mind, not credible, but the same woman who cares for children with a gentle, connecting, and nurturing approach explains, you know what, even if it is real. Oh, that's the name of the country. That's the name of the country, you know, even if it is real.

Leonardo DeCaprio pointing at screaming me After October 7th I don't have an ounce of compassion for anyone there Not even for children Furthermore, it saddens me to see people among us Actually sharing this shit And worse, identifying with it And expressing pain

And we've been pointing this out for some time now There's the No, it didn't happen. No, it's not happening. No, you're not happening. No, you're lying you know you're at the semi it didn't happen no uh okay sure and if it did happen it had to happen okay it's happening and it should happen and it should happen more and don't talk to me about it why do you care right that's that's that's the arc yes the defense mechanism there is just so natural that the crazy thing about it is that like the starting point of it's

not happening i would say for a lot of people usually comes from a place of like you deny it because if it's real then you know you are morally obligated to do something about it. In these cases, the denial is more for themselves, or

it's more for others. They're doing Hezbara for the sake of everyone else thinking, well, no, we would be against it, of course, if we actually were doing this. But then you find

No, they wouldn't be because then as soon as it's admitted, even if we are doing that, even if this is a real video, I don't care. That part, to me, I'm just like, that's the one where I can't help but be like, okay, so you're a Nazi, you're a Nazi society completely. And I know we've said this. It's not anything new, but it's just always shocking, to me at least. The entire country is Tommy Lee Jones and the fugitive. I don't care.

I don't care. I mean, you always hope that the right never achieves, like, youth culture penetration. And that's been, like, the bulwark against it. It's growth for generations everywhere. Yeah. And then when they do, like in Israel, the polls just came out that showed that the young people are even more right wing than their elders. Yeah. That's when you know it's just down.

There's no up from there. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. truly truly it is one of the more disturbing aspects of that society denial might be a river in Egypt but it's a it's a drinking water reservoir in Israel yeah from the river to the sea glug glug glug to make it clear that she's not a callous person she sums up the writer is a mother a lover of humanity and an all-round great person it always say this yeah all around

I'm actually good doesn't matter how many times you yell that after the sentence kill them all Hitler's substack said the writer is a dog owner Yeah, vegetarian And aspiring artist And lover of humanity

Asterix It's just that quote October 7th took away my innocence Poor woman, she's really struggling A2 Using initials here is not a settler She lives in a wellest established city in Israel and is simply looking to find a new home for an amazing dog quadruple

exclamation mark she's fully house trained a dog filled with love who needs a warm loving home so much caring so much love so much compassion and yet when she encounters a photograph of a gauzen child who was killed in an Israeli bombing she instantly grasps that someone is trying to confuse her and posts let's make things clear if there had been no massacre here there would be no massacre there It's not the chicken and egg case. The famous case. Chicken v. Egg. Chicken v. Egg.

Went through the Israeli Supreme Court. In the case of chicken v. egg, we find both parties guilty. Imagine the discovery process in that case. We must keep them separated. Otherwise, it is not kosher. We must keep them separated. And now we would like to call our expert witnesses the offspring. The offspring.

Oh, my God. Afterwards, when the chicken and egg can't seem to figure out what she meant, she resorts to some of the best debunked calumnies spread in the wake of the horrific massacres. After babies here were burnt, after babies here were burnt, after babies here were burned, their heads chopped off, put into an oven, et cetera, and concludes resoundingly, there was no reason to send in a container of clothes for their children. Of course, she too was once a compassionate, sensitive person. Don't get me wrong.

I thought exactly like you until October 6th, but if someone comes to kill you, it's case closed. They started and we will finish. God. There are many of these in present day as, spiritual people who view the annihilation of the other as a form of personal growth

and the eradication of the enemy as empowerment they live in one big retreat that's a good play on words where consciousness is so finely tuned that all noise disappears all disturbances are muted so that they are left with only themselves them and their inner being

pure, compassionate, unsullied and finally able to connect with what resided there all along waiting to be revealed the desire to annihilate and destroy millions of people, including children, women, and the elderly, with great love. Wow. Kill them with kindness.

It is truly a great article. I mean, and just... I'm thinking it's translated from the Hebrew. It reads like it was originally written in Hebrew. It could be. An article that would not have been written in the U.S. on a major paper like that. Yeah, yeah.

It would have been enormous backlash. I mean, there is there, too, but. Other, other articles that would not be written in the U.S., Israel killed 100 people last night, as they did the night before and the night before and the night before. Yeah. Other articles that would not be written in the U.S., here's what's actually happening.

Just like shy, they also, like, kind of make the case for us sometimes. Like, in this case, they're, like, acknowledging the cause and effect of revenge and self-defense and all of these things. And if you even take all of their arguments at face value or whatever, you could easily just apply it to Palestinians armed resistance for 75 years. That's just like that one little thing just somehow is missing to connect the two things. So in a way, they're so close. I mean, it's, you know, this is the fundamental,

I would say comedic aspect in a dark way of this sort of like Israeli urge to be both hippie and Nazi at the same time and the funny thing about liberal Zionism is like this

idea of it's so close it's so close you you are now seeing instead of what I think you would more normally see people going you know what fuck it why I left the left You know, fuck it.

Why I'm no longer associated with, you know, liberals or liberalism. Why I no longer think that Black Lives Matter. Like, people usually make a brand change, you know, when they become a fascist. In this particular case, what makes it unique is the refusal to change one's brand. It's the, I don't understand why I can't. be someone who does yoga, loves crystals, and thinks it's funny when babies die. Like, they refuse to change anything about what they're putting out into the world. Yeah, Stringer Bell had more humility as a brand manager.

What do you do when you have an inferior product and an aggressive marketplace? Rebrand, change the name, you know? And I think, you know, a lot of it comes from denial. This is, you know, they can't acknowledge a fundamental change that they are going through either as a society or individually. And so to acknowledge it, especially with something so grotesque. And I think the grotesqueness has to do a lot with the, you know, adds to the not wanting to rebrand. Because, you know, it's one thing to be like, I'm going to go from being a left-wing pro-trans rights person to someone who's anti-trans psychopath, right? Not to say that that isn't bad, but it's genocide is more pressing and like really, really acknowledging the fact that I'm going to change everything about what I'm putting out into the world.

that would mean you're acknowledging guilt over something, that something was happening that was outside of the norm. People don't want to do that in Israel. So instead they lead their lives as if nothing is going on. And when someone asks them what's going on or they are confronted with a picture of someone dying or starving children, they lash out and go like, I was having a nice time trying to fucking give away this dog. But look, what they're revealing is that this was always what they believed.

I mean, it's not actually like, they say that October 7th changed me. No, it didn't. Yes. It just revealed who you really were. Yeah. The second Intivada didn't change anything. It didn't change Israel, you know, Rabin following Israelis in, you know, who loved Oslo and believed in peace. into Palestinian haters.

It just revealed that Oslo was bullshit. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And that it was a cover for continued Israeli domination and Hafrada, separation. Get them out of my consciousness. Build a wall in the center of my reality and put all the shit that challenges who I think I am

and what I need in order to be secure in this world behind that fucking wall and police the shit out of it. and I don't care what you do on the other side of it. They don't leave yogi. They don't leave the practice of yoga. They don't leave the culture of like, you know, that dance kind of peace and love culture. Right. They occupy it.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I think they keep, they keep steady drinking that Zayahuasca. Yeah. They love the Zayahuasca. And, you know, just seeing how easy. it fits into their aesthetic

I think is one of those things that really sends a chill up your spine because we had this preconceived notion about spiritual people as being fundamentally different than religious fanatics you know there's there's nothing I think

more scary than seeing that kind of behavior mimicked by people who are doing, who look like people you went to fucking UC Santa Cruz with. You know,

at least this is for me personally, one of the things in this particular influencer, you know, lady, this Rivka La Flair,

La Faire, La Faire. She, first of all, she is not Lafair. I would say she's not Lafair at all.

She has a bunch of videos of her at the Alaksa Mosque, at the Temple Mount, quote unquote. This is like in her TikTok. And I was looking at the videos and I didn't fully understand what exactly I'm seeing. I think from a certain angle without being able to translate it, you'd be like, oh, they're just taking a picture of themselves near Al-Axa because it's a beautiful mosque.

And so there was this one where you see her kind of lying prostrate on the ground in front of Aloxa. And I asked, sorry, I saw, because you had, you had this picture loaded up in our, as prostrate. Prostrate. And I read it as prostate. And I was like, this is definitely going to be about Biden. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is definitely got a Biden part. Yeah, this is a picture of Biden's prostate.

What a great transition. she's got she's got prostrate cancer yeah so she's got prostrate cancer and i asked a a friend of the friend of the pod uh edo about this um and uh he was saying that this uh laying flat down face down on the floor is a new kind of invented ultra fanatic ritual that some jewish extremists uh do on the temple mount um and uh there are there are prostrations in some jewish holidays i'm not sure if it's flat down but there are i mean well muslims do it five times a day a hundred percent i think there's some of that in in jewish tradition too but this thing at the temple mount that yes yeah so the difference being uh not just being at the temple mount but also the

rhetoric uh you know involved in the video uh that she's putting out while she's doing this and so like the the video itself says uh in it what i did on uh 2020 Why? For no reason you think it's for, let's see, Hanuka, H-A-N-N-N-O-U-K-A. I don't know if that, and the first of the month of Tibet. We've come here. It's the first of the month. Yeah, it's the first of the month. Get prostrate and then stand up.

We've come here to our holy place, very specifically our holy place, to pray for the kidnapped, whom we will return with might for the annihilation of the enemies and for the expansion of borders and for building the third temple very soon. Um, Yusrael, hi. So this is, you know, third temple fanaticism.

I'm trying to take it off. We're trying to both take it off the same time. God damn it. It's what happens when both hosts have men privileges. Yes, we have too much privilege. So, yeah, This is a hippie girl doing third temple fanaticism. And at some point we're going to have a full episode on these like third temple greater Israel psychopaths who have, you know, at this point, so much power in the government that at this point I don't know whether or not it is some bullshit thing. you shouldn't even be worried about, like, some Israelis have said, like, oh, why do people even

talk about those? Those are just fanatics. No one cares about them. Well, they said the same thing about the settlers. They said the same thing about settlements in the West Bank. You know, this, oh, these are just fanatics, you know, nothing to fear. The Israeli government is normal and would never fall in line with these fascists. This is the fascism. This is all happening. There's a fucking genocide going on in Gaza and there is ethnic cleansing nonstop. And we're supposed to just watch these fucking hippies. Crunchy ass fools, barefoot ass hippies

with their dreads and their fish t-shirts. And just think, oh, there's nothing to worry about here. And the delusion is that strong. We're supposed to just watch this. We're supposed to just watch this and not say excuse I. Yeah, not say excuse I. It's unbelievable. Murder, she wrote.

Sorry. Yeah, anyways, this was a great article and truly horrifying premise. You know, being genocided by hippies. But before we go, I want to cover one more thing this is about the wonderful new Hezbarist America's

number one Hasbarist since 2024 part of the new class of Hasbaristas Brianna Wu Rookie of the Year Award Rookie of the Year Award Brianna Wu as we all know we've talked about extensively

went to Israel, made Aliyah and you know sort of an Aliya vacation took a three-week birthright trip and has come back just spouting Hasbara 101 talking points

including one that we have seen multiple versions of but this idea of Israelis build Palestinians destroy yeah and it's well it's Hasbara 101 but spun out through her own kind of kooky

like her shit is like she tries to get extra credit like she goes she paints outside the lines a little bit. She's sort of a gifted child that no one quite understands what she's really doing. Yeah, yeah. Almost, it's like a, you're not sure if a prodigy or an idiot. Yeah, idiot savant or just idiot.

Yeah, yeah, idiot savant or just idiot. It's like either way, endlessly entertaining. So this was, first she put. posted a picture of Israel at music festival, and then it shows the, I assume that's woman who lost Eurovision at the top, and then said, Palestine at music festival, and it's a picture of what is purported to be a Hamas fighter. This is, I assume, Nova Festival footage, although I don't know if I've seen that one in particular. And so, under this, over this meme, it is tweeted, Brianna Wu says

if you give Israelis a pile of bricks, they'll build a city. If you give Palestinians a pile of bricks, they'll throw them at Israelis. And then she goes on to say that the only way that Palestinians are ever going to be free is

if they learn to stop hating Jews and build their own thing. That's her point there. Why don't the Palestinians ever build anything. Yeah. I know.

Have you guys tried building something? The videos are now of just Israel bombing rubble at this point. Right. Which gives them many piles of bricks. Yes.

That's more bricks. Now no one's doing anything with those bricks. I mean, Israel is actually helping the resistance. I mean, what did they have a few minutes ago? A university?

A library? You can't throw that. Yeah. But when the thing is in ruins and it's all just bricks, all of a sudden, there's a whole bunch of weapons. Endless possibilities.

It's like a blank page. They could build something with those bricks. What Israel likes to do is Israel likes to create a blank page in Gaza every few years, although this is one that seems to be the blankest of pages. So this argument is one of like, I don't know, one of like the first things I remember hearing as a kid. That the problem was is that Israelis all they wanted was peace and to build and to like make a society and make it like Jewish and beautiful and perfect and liberal and blah blah blah and Palestinians given the same you know tools that anyone else any other people has

have only ever used tools to do anti-Semitism this is we made the desert bloom yeah they just want to make the desert go boom that's right and it's uh I mean I remember accepting this kind of thinking like hook line and sinker when I was a kid purely based on just anti-Arab racism you know purely just oh yeah that's right Arabs are like kind of crazy um and then you kind of learn anything about the power structures about the disparity between these two parties the Israelis and the Palestinians and you look at a sentence like what brianna woo just fucking farted out of her And you go like, this is, it's just completely devoid of any idea of what she's talking about other than Islamophobia. That's it.

That is just, it is just purely Islamophobic to be like, you give Israelis bricks and they build, you give Palestinians bricks and they throw them at Jews. So I decided to make a analogy for this that maybe might make a little bit more sense among people who. who would like more context. I said, if you give Buffalo Bill a basket, he'll lower down lotion for Catherine. If you give Catherine a basket, she'll try to trap Buffalo Bill's little dog precious as a hostage.

The only way that Catherine can ever get out of that well is to put the lotion on her skin or else she gets the hose again. And I think, you know, the answer to that is the, You hurt my dog. Don't you make me hurt your dog? And you don't know what pain is.

So I kind of feel like this analogy, not to toup my own horn here, but I feel like it's kind of perfect. I do. Now, let me just check something. This is Silence of the Lambs, yes? This is Silence of the Lambs? A movie I have not seen, but I recognize the character names. Okay, good. And the sort of memed phrase there about the motion of the scale.

Sure. I mean, we all know about putting the lotion on the skin or else it gets the hose again. We all, you know, we have all, you know, heard these lines. We all know this. What's the fucking lotion in the basket? Just part of, but I was just thinking about it. The more I was getting attacked by Brianna Wu for this, the more I was like, yeah, this is actually a perfect analogy. It really is just this idea of like if you take in isolation the idea that Buffalo Bill

is taking a basket of lotion and bringing it down to Catherine he looks like the good guy and if all you know about Catherine is that she tries to kill his dog you're like wow what a piece of shit that's all you know and this is what like the point of Hasbara seems to be

is to paint everything in this particular light without ever showing you that Catherine's in the fucking well that we talk about the tunnels we talk about Hamas tunnels a lot you know this idea of tunnels tunnels is like one of the memes of the last 18 months in terms of Hasbara tunnels Hamas lives in tunnels they live in tunnels they have tunnel system bigger than New York City and Chicago combined

all of this shit And the context of tunnels in general, I mean, just the image of tunnels is, oh, that's where the penguin's layer is. That's where supervillains hide. That's where, you know, evil doers do their plotting. I don't know, man. That's where the teenage meat and ninja turtles. That's true.

There are some good guys who live in tunnels. But mostly, we think of alligators and sewers. Think of fragor rock. That's what I think of. That's true. That's a very good point. Listen, I think we all, Fraggle Rock, though, is based. I think we can all agree that Fraggle Rock is about Palestinian resistance.

But yeah, like, once you know anything about what tunnels would be created for and what they would be used for in Gaza, you get a completely different picture as to, well, why are there tunnels? Why is there any tunnels at all? Now, first of all, in terms of its length and how big it is, I have not seen any evidence that they have some sort of super tunnel system that contains a bunch of command centers all under hospitals. I think we all know that's fucking bullshit. But we do know that the smuggling of goods did have to happen because of the siege. And tunnels is how you get shit into your borders when you have a fucking siege.

The entire context is completely erased, the context of why would a Palestinian throw a brick at an Israeli? You know, I saw a video recently of a Palestinian, or this is an Arab-Israeli, quote-unquote, spit on a public bus, spat on an IDF soldier. And it was a woman. And there was this outcry like, we got to arrest this guy, find this guy. and you know sounds like misogyny to me yeah yeah and I just like looked at this and I go like

at this point you think that anyone doesn't have the proper context to understand why spitting on an Israeli soldier would be something that a Palestinian would want to do are you fucking insane and how dare you be like treating us like children treating

every person who is subscribed or following your fucking Twitter feed and being like, yeah, I'm going to, I'm going to tell these fucking morons, you know, that the Palestinians do nothing but do hate crimes. They're born to do hate crimes. Everything they do is out of hate. Everything they do is out of anti-Semitism. And I just can't, I can't stomach that coming from such a fucking stupid person. Anyways, well, but you said that Brianna pushed back on you. I imagine it was reasoned arguments explaining what she meant. 100% yeah yeah she she said uh astonishing levels of transphobia even for free

palestine why because buffalo bill was a cross dresser yes i assume that's where she's going with this was it's transphobic to call israel buffalo bill because but first of all Buffalo Bill is not trans. It's, I've both seen the movies and read the books. Very specifically as Hannibal Lecter, the good doctor, he may have his problems, but he was, we all know he was good at his job, said, this is not someone who is trans. It's someone who thinks he's trans or thought he was trans.

And then it turned out was just mostly wanted to do cross-dressing and killing. So calling Buffalo Bill trans is, completely not canonical. Second of all, what is she offended about? In fact, transphobic itself. Yeah, in fact, transphobic itself. So what is she complaining about here? She is she, I mean, to try to like dig into what she meant by that.

This was clearly just a, wow, transphobic much. I think that's as far as she thought about it. This was merely an attempt to see if, if this would. The irony of like the idea of Palestinians not building when they are the number one builders in Israel that are hired for skills for their, the cost of their force to bear the low cost pay, which in my history, like we have Mizrahi relatives in Israel who do a lot of construction stuff too. And we get hired only when Israel attempts to punish Palestinians and block. them from coming through the border to work on construction. In fact, after the second in Tafada, that was like a big boom because Israel tried to ban workers from coming over. And it was the Israeli like business lobby, the developers who were like, hey, we cannot build without Palestinians.

Wow. So, you know, just like the idea of saying Palestinians can't build while saying Israel is built, guess who built Israel even where you put a building up? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, And it just so clearly mirrors any of the fucking language that we, you know, throw towards immigrants here in the United States. And, you know, it mirrors anti-black racism and it mirrors all that shit. It's all just the same fucking thing. Or even like, if you go back, like, as they do, often go back to the Holocaust and how they, what's the name they call us, Capo or whatever. The Germans would create the system where they put pressure on someone, a Jew, to turn code on. other Jews through psychological pressure through preserving loved ones and things like that.

And then in their diaries wrote how, you know what, I didn't know how subhuman Jews were until they turned on each other for a piece of cake. Yeah. You know what I mean? 100%. They create the situation of desperation from trauma and pain and then point to that desperation as why you're inflicting the trauma and pain. Right.

And then decades later, these, you know, ethno-nationalist maniacs supporting the latest genocide used the term capo as a term of derision and scorn. Because now they identify with the people who created the conditions in which capo became a necessary category for survival. Yeah. And they both, they both use that as like the example of a subhuman. they both share that's something I had never considered that that is

you know that is absolutely right both relish in creating the conditions in which people you know act in desperation

and go like look at them crawling around like rats yeah yeah that is that's true that is that is absolutely right happens in New York too look at the food cart

look at these people with the food cards. Why don't they start a real business? Why don't they do this license? Why don't they do this and that? And then basically they don't because we're not giving them licenses. We capped it. And it's like extremely prohibitively expensive.

So then they're criminalized for just selling what we want and what we buy. No one's getting sick from it. So then we create the conditions of like them selling food in the subway and then saying like, there's food being sold in the subway, arrest them. Yeah. it's it's it's it's engineering yeah and there is something i mean just talking about the the capo thing is is interesting to me because there was also a um you know i did not become familiar with the term uh you know capo until obviously i started talking about israel and uh i had grown up

you know always being like there was during the Holocaust like you wouldn't talk shit about any Holocaust survivor was just kind of like blanket statement because a lot of things happened during the war for some people

that you know they may not be too proud of whatever helped them survive is usually the guilt associated with it and we just don't you just don't judge someone got out that was always kind of the feeling around

And then when I started hearing capo so much, it was just like, oh, you're just like those people, you know, people who mentioned George Soros or some shit, you know, it was basically a child who was hidden. Alan Dershowitz tried to imply that Finkelstein himself had accused his own parents of being Capos. He never said any such thing. Yes. But he tried to, you know, well, how did they survive? They must have curried favor with the authorities. somehow. It's the most disgusting smear. And it's one of those smears that you only get from the Zionists. It is, it is, and it's something that is an insult to Holocaust survivors. You know what I mean? Because

they hate, they hate Holocaust victims. They actually, they, Israel has always hated the Jews who died in Europe and they hated the Jews who didn't die in Europe and came there. Yes. You know, they fetishized them and used them for propaganda, but they called them soap. Yes. That was a, that was a slang term for, you know, survivors of that war. Right. But it's just like, I don't know, it's like further proof of this because you just see that, oh, yeah, that's, you know, this proliferation of the word capo amongst the Zionists has been something that I've just kind of like fundamentally thought was like, oh, yeah, because that's, you know. that is, that's just what you call someone who's a Jew you hate and you're like,

you're collaborating or a Nazi collaborator, but I just realized it is fundamentally an insult to Holocaust survivors. And that's just wild to me. One of the most tortured Holocaust survivors. Yes, yes, yes. I think we can officially now say Briano Wu is the second worst thing to happen to Wu-Tang Clan. 100%. What's the first word? The remedy. Do you know Remedy? Yes, hold on. Remedy is Remedy the sole Jewish member who became extremely Zionist, who actually had a really great track called Never Again on, what was it odd?

Maybe the Killabees album. Yeah, Volume 1 or something. Not a member, but an affiliate member. Oh, yeah, Remedy did that song where he's like, The Remedy is a dangerous liaison, a bit of comedy. Are you saying Jason Moraz wasn't in Wu-Tang Klan? And what are you telling me? The second realistic, yeah. Anyways, it is just, she is, Brianna Wu, worst member of Wu-Tang Clan, second-worst next remedy.

You know, say what you will about remedy. At least he actually is Jewish. Brianna Wu is just wooish, you know. So I think that's been a pod. what do you guys think she's the true leader of wooing on that's right she's yeah she is she is the woman on queen i do want to tell your listeners you have a lot of listeners in new york oh yeah and i want to just tell them the the election day is june 24th the primary premier that's right early voting who you like in there ralph who you liking who you're looking strong to you right now actually

out of nowhere people are shocked at how successful zoran mdani's do doing the DSA candidate, the one who created the legislation to stop our non-profits here from being subsidized for funding West Bank settlers and violence called Not Another Dime campaign. His whole platform is like free buses, freezing the rent, all of those kind of like bread and butter issues for working people in the city. And then we have rank choice voting. So what we're reminding people to do is not just vote for Zoran, for example, but also rank everyone except Andrew Cuomo. Nice. Yes. And even Zoran has been so successful. In fact, I think the number is now. He has 22,000

volunteers. Wow. And they already knocked on almost half a million doors in New York City. Zoron. And yeah, yeah, yeah. I've had people approach me in the park to ask if I'm a registered. I don't know if I can vote here because I'm not, I'm not America. as a New York City resident maybe I can we could look that up I'm not sure actually has has Zoron gotten any prominent endorsements from DSA affiliated National Democrats that you would assume would just be a slam dunk to endorse them at all we're working on that okay working tirelessly I hope so someone's got to be working tirelessly

we hope that she does endorse she i who are you talking about nobody man we're just asking a general question i'm also i hope it happens right now i also want zoran to come on the show so i can ask him what you know i think a lot of people think he needs to answer this question how are you going to pay for it how you're going to pay for it taxing the rich it's how are you going to pay for that the richer. It's a pyramid scheme. With blood, that's how you're going to pay for it. It's an inverted pyramid scheme. That's right. Yeah, so I'm just, you know, reminding photos, rank everyone.

Even Zoran has capped at fundraising. He hit the cap. He's basically saying, don't send me money anymore. And now supporting fundraising for his opponents, his more progressive opponents against Cuomo. So that's the spirit of this. Everyone's kind of working together to make sure Cuomo doesn't win the sexual, you know, sexual abuser, killer of people in a nursing home, spend millions of dollars of New York money to defend himself from all of those accusations.

Remember during COVID? What a fucking hero. Pin-up idol he was of the whole liberal world and his book and his little graphics about New York Smart and New York Strong and all that bullshit. Yeah, Cuomoexuals. Yeah. He's a fucking creep.

And I'm sorry that he's from Queens. like Trump. Yeah, yeah. I mean, if there's one thing we can take from that is barring anyone from Queens from running for anything. Well, Roth, if you're in Queens, I'm in Brooklyn, we should meet in some border neighborhood. Like Ridgewood. Ridgewood, yeah. I live on the border of Bushwick. We could easily do it. Oh, yeah, it's beautiful. Oh, man, you guys can go out and you can talk about, talk shit about me. If you guys go out together, you have to, I want to, I want to be on FaceTime. Okay, we got you.

Let me be on FaceTime. But, Raf, we really appreciate you coming on, and we will be putting some links in our description, not only for following you on social media, but also a reminder to people, voters out in New York, hey, that election is coming up. So please, you know, vote correctly, you know, vote for Zoron. Vote Zoran Memdani. Then everyone else except Cuomo. Except Cuomo.

Yeah. We say no mo to Cuomo. No more. Has anyone ever done that? You guys should make that a bumper sticker. The T-shirts are printing now. Hell yeah. Hey, Matt, last night I had a dream about fucking you in the ass.

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