Bad Hasbara - The World's Most Moral Podcast - 112: New Account Who Dis? with Michael Schirtzer [UNLOCKED]

Episode Date: July 7, 2025

Unlocked this episode because Michael continues to be deplatformed for his Palestine advocacy. We have included all of his new social media links. Please sub![Recorded May 31st, 2025]Matt and Daniel a...re joined by comedian Michael Schirtzer to talk over his Instagram banishment, Piers Morgan's tête-à-tête with Israeli Ambassador to the U.K. Tzipi Hotovely, and several flagrant and lengthy violations of producer Adam’s No Accents rule.Please donate to Mercy Corps: https://www.mercycorps.org/Follow Michael on everything!Tik Tok: https://www.tiktok.com/@mikeyb_onX: https://x.com/MicSchirtzerYoutube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCS3iwjdWG087EHzUUP8baggMy podcast: https://www.youtube.com/c/ThePalestinePodPlease support our project on Patreon! https://www.patreon.com/c/palestinepodSubstack: https://substack.com/@mikeybon-----Subscribe to the Patreon https://www.patreon.com/badhasbaraWhat’s The Spin playlist: https://spoti.fi/4kjO9tLSubscribe/listen to Bad Hasbara wherever you get your podcasts.Spotify https://spoti.fi/3HgpxDmApple Podcasts https://apple.co/4kizajtSupport this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/bad-hasbara/donationsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Moshwam ha bitch, a rib and polo We invented the terry tomato And weighs USG drives and behind all Israeli salad, oozy stents, and jopas orange crows Micro chips is us iPhone cameras us Taco salads us Pothomas us
Starting point is 00:00:20 All of garden us Life costs for us Zabrahamas Asvaras Us walk one batty boy and welcome to bad hasbara uh the world's most iry podcast that's right i guess i'm joining you in the in the patois yeah that's right i was going to do italian because i'm i'm heading to italy soon but you know the the patois yeah
Starting point is 00:00:54 ross matt ross matt over here oh yeah that big Big Tingaguan. Yes. I and I welcome you to this wonderful show. My name is Matt Leib. I will be, I and I will be the world's most moral co-host. Of Batih Hasbara.
Starting point is 00:01:18 Daniel Mate. Matt, you're such a rude boy. I'm quite a rude boy. So happy for all you. And I'm a crazy, I'm a crazy balding head. That's right. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:01:30 Yeah, not quite a baldhead yet, but, you know, one day it shall happen. It shall happen to all of us, to the best of us. I am so excited for today's wonderful show. We have great content for everyone. And I know saying that excitedly is weird, given the nature of what the show is, but I am very stoked on it. And when we say for everyone, we mean everyone who pays. That's right.
Starting point is 00:02:00 For all of you pay pigs out there, for the ones who really want to get the exquisite premier slop, I mean, this is not just some free shit that we are just shoveling into your wide gullets as we do every Thursday on the Bad As Barra YouTube channel and, you know, RSS feed. No, this is this is the fucking premier shit. This is the shit that the sommelier told you, they only have a few cases of. that's right you know that's right it's in the back it's in the back it's been steadily chilling in a uh good bucket they keep it cool in the gutter that's right i was going to say the cellar but it's actually the it's a gutter it's a yeah we got it's a wine gutter yeah we know what we're dealing with here it's all slop at the end uh please give us five stars in review on all the things and please uh shout out to producer adam levin we love our big, wonderful boy.
Starting point is 00:03:05 I would give him a literal shout out, but he would get mad at me for shouting into my microphone. That's right. That's right. He would yell at you about that. So don't do that, but we're just going to shout, hey. Also, today's sponsor is Mercy Corps.
Starting point is 00:03:21 For more than three decades, Mercy Corps has worked in the West Bank and Gaza meeting critical humanitarian needs. their programs have supported Palestinian communities by helping communities cope with crises or crises supporting marginalized and vulnerable youth and increasing economic opportunities. If you have any money, please give it to Mercy Corps. That's M-E-R-C-Y-C-O-P-S dot org. So do it.
Starting point is 00:03:52 Yeah. And one other thing maybe to plug, and I don't have a link on hand, but maybe we can put it in the description. I'm sure we could. Someone, actually, Ronnie Barkon got in touch with me, who I would love to have on the show sometime. Yeah. And he mentioned the Vienna anti-Zionist conference that's happening soon. And he said, I was hoping you'd mention it on your episode with Stephen Kaposh.
Starting point is 00:04:16 And I said, oh, shit. Well, we talked about it off air with him. Yeah, we didn't actually say it on the episode. So I think that's something for people to know about it. If you're in Europe or going to be in Europe. Yeah. Yeah. when is that happening i don't know but sometime this month sometime in june mid june i think you know
Starting point is 00:04:34 who does know the description at the bottom the description at the bottom knows exactly when it's going to happen that's right and as that's right and as billy joel said vienna waits for you and as falco of rock me amadeus fame said vienna calling whoa those are the two songs with vienna and the title that i know thank you very much yeah i was going to i'm surprised there's two I actually, I had one of my actual anti-Semitism alert experiences of my adult life in Vienna. So maybe you could, maybe, Vienna start the podcast anytime soon. Maybe. Shut up.
Starting point is 00:05:12 Maybe shut up. Well, this, it has started, Adam. People like the banter at the beginning, I think. Although I did see a comment that was like, I always skip the beginning. And it's just like, well, good for you, idiot. That's what I said. There was a lot of beard discourse in the comments. Oh, my God.
Starting point is 00:05:35 We'll get to that. But anyway, I was in Vienna a couple of years ago, and it was near the tail end of COVID. And I'm always just assuming back then that, you know, it's finally over. But for some people, it was never over. And I was riding the train. I was trying to go get some vener schnitzel, which for me was the only reason to be in that city, which I didn't like much. You like the city or the vener. I didn't like the city.
Starting point is 00:05:56 Vierner-Schistel was good once I finally found some. It just felt stuffy and imperial, that city. Like a city that couldn't quite figure out what to do after its imperial phase. Yeah. Anyway, so I'm on the train, and I get out in, like, downtown Vienna, and I'm walking through the station to exit, and I am approached by a uniformed guard
Starting point is 00:06:17 who starts screaming at me in austerlitz German. Oh, shit. Something I don't say, something. And I say, I say, I don't speak German. And then he, in a very thick Austrian accent, says, masks are mandatory in the metro. Where is your mask? And I'm like, I don't have one.
Starting point is 00:06:38 You will be fine if you. And I'm like, Jesus Christ, like, I'm a, I've never had ancestral memory wake up in me or epigenetic memory, but I'm like, I'm being screamed out for not displaying the right cloth. Yeah, yeah. We will give you a state-issued Star of David mask that you will wear around town to keep people protected from your disease-ridden body. Actually, a Star of David mask would fit the nose and mouth pretty well.
Starting point is 00:07:06 I know. It's kind of perfect. Oh, shit. Don't give them any ideas, all right? Listen, and of course, mask up. I agree with the Viennese cop, but. Don't do it in German. That's what I say.
Starting point is 00:07:23 N-48 masks. Wow. But yeah, that's, you know, that's a wild thing to be yelled at in, in like, specifically in Austrian-German, you know, because it's like, I mean, Hitler, you know what I mean? Oh, I can't even think of that. No, of course I did. Yeah, yeah, you did. You already know.
Starting point is 00:07:42 Daniel, what's a spin? Spin today, just in honor of our impending guest, who I'm sure is still backstage and hasn't logged off in boredom or frustration. Yeah. Because he loves us. I've got some my favorite Michael's here. Oh. So, first of all,
Starting point is 00:07:59 fuck all the haters. Michael Jackson. Off the wall. Mm-hmm. I mean, you know, like, listen, personal life aside, the music very good. That's exactly right.
Starting point is 00:08:09 Okay. Michael McDonald. Oh, hell yeah. Now you're speaking my language. Whoever I bought this from had, you know, filed it under Mick D. yeah Mickey D's He does look like he enjoys a Mickey D
Starting point is 00:08:23 I love like a Too bad he didn't Did you guys have the McDLT ever in In America? No but I had I have only heard of it The McDLT It was a hamburger with lettuce and tomato Right exactly
Starting point is 00:08:37 Yeah Towards the end of the 80s I you know anyway Yeah George Michael Oh yeah Yeah he's good too He's great
Starting point is 00:08:47 Just a great pop star Yeah Michael D. Render. Killer Mike with his album, Michael. Yes. Shout out to Killer Mike. Come on the podcast. I know people give you shit for being a landlord. But this is not bad landlord Hasbara. This is bad Hasbara. Let's start with LP, okay? You already had him on a podcast before. I know. I know. I know. We got to get LP on. And finally, the Weavers, the classic Pete Seeger-fronted folk group have a song called Michael Rowe the Boat Ashore, which is like an old spiritual and whatever. And I just, it's like the first Michael song. I remember. The Uyghurs, huh?
Starting point is 00:09:21 Now, are the Uyghurs in, did they've recorded in one of the China camps? The Uyghurs. No, no. It's the weavers, Matt. Oh, my bad. That's my bad. Those who weave. Those who weave.
Starting point is 00:09:38 And shout out to listener Dirk. Yes. Listener Dirk. Who were outing you, Dirk, as the keeper of the What's the Spin podcast? playlist, sorry, on Spotify, which we're going to, a lot of people have been asking about it. I love it. Basically, I get to listen to my entire LP collection on Shuffle when I'm away from home. That's right. Good for long flights and commutes and anything you want to tune out. And there'll be a link in the episode description. And Dirk, thank you so much also for
Starting point is 00:10:12 taking our request and removing the silly comedy albums. The comedy albums and the weird skits. I assume maybe he didn't remove the skits but for sure the comedy albums which is really cool shout out to Dirk shout out to any listener who does cool shit like that that's completely
Starting point is 00:10:33 not required and super appreciated no it really contributes to the Bad Hasbara verse you know I know I know we're like it's an expanding verse you know it's happening you know people are listening to this podcast but I'll tell you what verse it's not also in honor of our guess it's not a meta verse that's right because fuck the metaverse
Starting point is 00:10:54 fuck the metaverse uh we are we are anti any kind of metaverse uh it includes um alternate universes it also includes a virtual reality universes with people with no legs who still can sexually harass other people with no legs um yes our guest today i have no idea what you're talking about You never put on the fucking Oculus and walked around in the Metaverse? No, I was just making a meta joke. No, I know, but it's fun. You ever, like, walked around in it and you. And sexually harassed, I don't like, no, I don't like doing it.
Starting point is 00:11:30 Well, no one has legs. I'm going to introduce our, it's a little cartoon avatars. Meta start the podcast and shut up. We're starting it. Okay. We have, oh, ladies and gentlemen, we got a great guest. he is the co-hosts of the wonderful
Starting point is 00:11:48 the Palestine pod it is a great podcast he is a stand-up comedian a Jewish anti-Zionist activist and someone who has recently been disappeared on all of your
Starting point is 00:12:04 social media platforms where else are you going to get an interview with a recently disappeared person yes with a disappeared man ladies and gentlemen and everyone else welcome back to the pod Michael Scherzer what out dog hey hey bop bop bot nice to be here on this Chet Hank's podcast oh but thank you guys so much I was actually only disappeared off of
Starting point is 00:12:28 Instagram I'm still on TikTok for the time being still on YouTube but you know when one starts the others will crumble yeah first they came for Michael on IG and I said nothing because that's right and a lot of people did say nothing so yeah And you have a replacement account on IG. That's not the one showing in your screen name, right? Oh, yeah. I should update that. All right.
Starting point is 00:12:51 I mean, my old account. See? That's what my old account was. But if you, yeah, how do I do that? Hold on. How's that? Did I do it? Amazing.
Starting point is 00:13:02 Thank you so much. Okay. I'm, you know, already we're helping. And I feel good about that. So, Michael. We do. Michael, what the fuck happened? Where'd you go, buddy?
Starting point is 00:13:14 So my account went to live on a farm upstate. My account was flagged. When will it come back? My account was flagged by Jordana Cutler. Yes. The Israel and Jewish diaspora person at Meta, the former Israeli government official who worked directly for Netanyahu and also in the embassy in D.C. When you say META's Israel and Jewish diaspora, you know, officer or whatever, you're not being, you know, hyperbolic.
Starting point is 00:13:53 This is her actual title. You are being anti-Semitic, but you're also being factual. Of course you're being in. I hate when those two things, I hate when those two things line up as they seem to do so often these days. It's always a bummer. Yes. In her official capacity as the Israel and Jewish diaspora. policy chief.
Starting point is 00:14:14 Policy czar. I love it. She is tasked with finding Jews in the diaspora that she can hunt down and disappear, take their accounts to a little digital El Salvadorian jail. Sort of a Jew hunter, as it were.
Starting point is 00:14:30 Yes. That's a title. Yeah, that's a title that I would ascribe to her. Yeah. Yeah. She's proud of that title because she's earned it. That's right. She's the Hans Landa of digital compliance. That's right. I mean, she's literally like a modern-day gobles. Like, she is a critical part of the Holocaust infrastructure, right?
Starting point is 00:14:51 Because she monitors the content that people see, ergo influencing what people think. And so if people had been seeing melted children on their phones every single day from the very beginning, they would have had a lot harder of a time pulling off this whole genocide thing. but because they have people who are pulling the strings that are directly connected to the Israeli occupation, they have carte blanche to do whatever they want. And we've seen what's happened in the last two years. Okay. That makes sense. But what did Ms.
Starting point is 00:15:24 Cutlet find objectionable about your content and why hasn't she found our content similarly objectionable? I'm feeling kind of left out. You know what, guys? I'm really sorry. Inshallah, it happens to you too one day. We're hoping. We're hoping. but I will say that there is like we're in an information war like we are informational warriors whether
Starting point is 00:15:45 or not we want to call ourselves that but that's what they are calling it they're literally saying we're in an information war and that's why they say that American Jews need to do propaganda for the Israeli occupation right and so yeah there's like you know I was cut down in the line of duty as an informational warrior and I'm super honored to have sacrificed something for Palestine And not only were you cut down, though, but, like, what was interesting is before you were kicked off of Instagram, they at least did the very, like, Israeli nice thing of roof knocking you first. I thought you were going to say roofieing him. Yeah, they roofied you, so you didn't remember it. No, they roof knocked you, you know, they sent down leaflets warning you in by a shirt.
Starting point is 00:16:36 her showing up in your viewed fucking story feed here where you can look at all the people who like view your story and you saw Jordana Cutler in there and you were like, oh, fuck. Do you know what's the funniest about that to me? Surgically striked by the IDF. Oh, yeah, for sure. It was definitely a leaflet drop when she,
Starting point is 00:16:57 her own profile, popped up in my story reviews. But do you know what's funniest about that to me? There were 221 people who saw that. And she was like, got to take him down. you know what I mean like yeah I'm I wasn't even the most famous person disappeared that day there is like an Irish comedian talk as well yeah yeah yeah tight tight hold on we've gotten in enough trouble for mutilating his name on this podcast it will be pronounced correctly sorry say one more time it's it's Todd to goha it's Todd go okay that's
Starting point is 00:17:28 that's how we pronounce out to my Irish comrades I love Ireland we love Ireland we just don't know why you spell your name weird no we're not going to say that we're not going to just kidding we love irish people yeah free free patty stein you can do it spell it a different way okay but anyways like there's no higher honor as a social media influencer than for the app to tell you that you have too much influence right hell yeah like i had i had a video that was going viral it was a stand-up clip where israelis got triggered by one of my jokes and they walked out of my comedy show. Yeah. And dude, the internet was a buzz with it. Like, it was going everywhere. And shout out to
Starting point is 00:18:12 them because it actually got monetized on TikTok. And so it's made $700. Oh, beautiful. I will be sending directly to Gaza. Oh, beautiful. Oh, beautiful. Hell yeah. No, yeah, I've seen, I've seen that happen. I think Israelis and comedy clubs at this point are not a good fit. Yeah. I mean, when they left, I thought they were going to bomb the place, but it wasn't just women and children. Right. Exactly. Yeah. And there was probably already a fair amount of bombing going on inside, not with you on stage. No, I actually. The set went well, actually. And that's what's cool. It's like, I hit the punchline as they were leaving. And like, I looked at them in disdain. And it was great. If you guys can play the clip, I don't know, play it. But if not, just look for it. It's on my new
Starting point is 00:18:57 Instagram. Yeah, yeah. We, we can find the clip. I just have to, go on Instagram and follow your new account, which is right there. But yeah, you're at the setup, right? Yeah, I was at the setup in Culver City. That's right. And so it's like right down the street from Sony. You get a lot of people who are like industry or industry adjacent. Yeah, it's West L.A.
Starting point is 00:19:21 It's where I grew up. So it's like, you know, whenever I do stand up in West L.A., I always know that at some point I'm going to get either heckled or yelled at afterwards, for that, you know, for the one or two jokes that I do that are just directly yelling about how Israel is a genocidal apartheid state, we should all be ashamed of ourselves for not yelling that every single day. And then someone goes like, you, that's not right. And I'm just always like, suck a dick. But yeah, so you were, you know, cut down by Ms. Cutler. And this, like, title is so wild to me because it's met as Israel and Jewish diaspora policy chief.
Starting point is 00:20:06 The idea that they would accompany was like, we need a direct liaison with the state of Israel, someone who can be our person who's in charge of what can and can't be set on a platform. in service of another country is totally wild to me it is it's like one of those things where you at some point go like this feels like you're doing a stereotype as a bit you know what i mean like the the fact that you're like you know we you know in order to fight charges that jews run the media what we need to do is hire someone who works with the state of is Israel to censor anyone who is saying the Jews run the media. It's like, you're making it worse, dog. And I have a, I have a video of her at the, some event, the Jewish news syndicate, which again, what a name, dude.
Starting point is 00:21:07 I know. Why did they do this? Why did they, that sounds like something people would accuse us up. Right. You know what I mean? Like, we're doing a Jewish news syndicate. Was the URL for Jewish cabal taken? Like, what the heck?
Starting point is 00:21:19 It's like, oh, they already fucked up. the brand don't worry we got yeah i said this about also there's a paper called the jewish chronicle don't chronicle stop chronicling jews i don't like it i don't like it um chronic illness yeah so here is the jewish current events cartel yeah right here is uh this uh woman cutler uh just speaking about her role at meta these changes will allow us to focus more resources on combating and high severity violations like terrorism. These changes, which have begun in the U.S., will impact many of you, and I believe for the better.
Starting point is 00:21:59 Yeah, so, Mikey, have you considered that you've been impacted for the better? You know, I think I have, actually. I think so, too. We thank you, Cutler. I was spending too much time on social, I was spending too much time on social media, and she was like, you know what?
Starting point is 00:22:12 Too much screen time for you. That's right. That's right. You've got a screen time alert, and you're like... I think she's just a Palestine pod fan, and she just wants you to have more time to focus on that. That's true. That's true.
Starting point is 00:22:21 When you spend too much time on social media, you know, pushing, you know, clips and stuff like that, it takes away from the content that you'd be making on the Palestine. You know, I think I think Gaz and Girl might have given her a call. I've been like, yo, Michael's getting a little hard to track down. Yeah. Can you focus, Mikey? Yeah, I, it feels like she wants my comedy career to succeed because I was just starting to sell out shows. Yeah, yeah, exactly. My work leading the Israel public policy team, I created a new role specifically focused on the Jewish diaspora. yes you did she created herself it's a self created role i love it is focused it is a privilege to represent
Starting point is 00:23:00 meta to jewish communities worldwide i am proud that meta's commitment to addressing anti-semitism on our platforms has remained steadfast especially after october 7th you know matt you told me to you told me that the show andor is worth watching so i started watching it uh the first season the other day watched about six episodes really enjoying it oh it's so good especially enjoyed it once they got off that scrap heap of a planet like once they got a ferricks yeah yeah sure um but i wish this lady would end or okay thank you yeah yeah there's something else uh but uh you know that that there's a lot of imperial ambition like yes you know young up and comers in the empire trying to make an for themselves and i just imagine one of them going to a superior and with this idea for uh you know
Starting point is 00:23:49 the public policy director of Israel and Jewish diaspora and, you know, and it getting approved. Yeah, it's like, I'd like to represent the diaspora of the planet Gorman. And by represent them, I mean, you know, steadfastly kick them out of the planet. Jewish people and Israelis on our platforms. Our hateful conduct policy includes specific protections for Israelis and Jews. For our hateful conduct. Our hateful conduct policy includes specific allowances for Israelis and Jewish people. They can be hateful.
Starting point is 00:24:28 We're allowed to hate. Rations of hate, you know. Yeah, exactly. Dude, the Israeli occupation soldiers are having literally no trouble uploading their war crimes. The war crimes stay up on the platform. Meanwhile, my posts about mutual aid in Gaza where people have been without food and water are being flagged for violation. Yes. In fact, she kind of gets into something else during this regarding what kind of content can and can't be seen. After October 7th, you know, just to give
Starting point is 00:25:02 context before she explains, they were quick to start removing posts that were showing videos of October 7th of, you know, like, you know, Israelis being killed or injured or captured. and, you know, under the guise that, like, everyone is celebrating this. But then she has a change of heart on that, and she'll get into that in a second. We changed industry thinking on this issue, designating denial as hate speech rather than misinformation. It wasn't just about facts. It was about protecting people from harmful conduct. Not all kinds of denial, though, am I right?
Starting point is 00:25:43 We banned the stereotypes about Jews, such as the claim that Jews run the world or other major institutions. We updated our policies to recognize that the term Zionist can be used as a proxy for Jews and Israelis. Can be, huh? I sure can. Can we pause it? Yes. That is so wild, right? Because how do you go from genocide, Joe, you don't have to be a Jew to be a Zionist to being like, actually meta interprets all use of the word Zionist as a proxy for Jews?
Starting point is 00:26:14 Right. Like, is that not jarring for anyone else? No, I mean, it's completely jarring, and it's also like it is, this is sort of become the standard go-to reason for why people are allowing censorship on their platforms, stopping any speaking about Zionism because, oh, well, it's a dog whistle. Besides which, fucking, it's mission accomplished for Zionism to have people equate Jews with Zionism. That's your whole mission! You won. And now you're going to fucking, I mean, you can't.
Starting point is 00:26:51 They're losing the information war. They're losing. And that's why they had to disappear me. Because like my very existence was a threat to their narrative. Right. Exactly. And also they, they know,
Starting point is 00:27:00 there's no other group from like Meta's point of view or country that gets their own like censorship regime at Meta's own internal audit found that Facebook discriminates against Palestinians. It violates their rights and coordinates directly. with the Israeli government. In fact, Palestinians have been arrested for incitement after META handed over their data to the Israeli occupation government. Dude, she has so much blood on her hand, she probably doesn't even sign checks with a pen.
Starting point is 00:27:28 Yeah, she just does it with a bloody fingerprint. I think she painted the background there. Yeah, right. It was originally blue. But yeah, like, the, you know, this idea that like Zionism and Zionist is like, like going to be painted completely as, oh, this is a dog whistle for Jews. It is 100% just a tactic of reinforcing the conflation. Because if you were to then argue with someone like Jordana about like, no, we don't say that.
Starting point is 00:28:02 In fact, there are many anti-Zionist Jews who point out the fact that Zionism and Judaism are not interchangeable. And as soon as you argue that, she knows about us. she knows about us because she's busy disappearing our accounts right exactly that's why she's disappearing you but as soon as you argue that the same people just like jordanna will say well as you know uh 90% of jews are Zionists like they always bring out some number of like the vast vast vast majority of outdated yeah right outdated and also like data that i feel like was uh skewed to begin with because of course the idea that like someone's personal definition of Zionism is like, oh, I have a connection to Israel, whether it's like a spiritual
Starting point is 00:28:50 connection or a family connection, is like entirely bad faith reading of what it is to, at least in Jordana's opinion, be a Zionist. Because being a Zionist at this point means allowing for this kind of behavior, including genocide and also a censor. I just can't get over her saying all this shit with the logo of an organization called the Jewish news syndicate binder with a lion's head as the fuck I mean it's like a is this shit it's the lack of awareness is like Olympic level yes it is incredible uh so she's going to continue on the world or control the media do not allow for dehumanizing comparisons of Zionists and we will prove that we will prove that Jewish Zionists don't control the media by disappearing any Jewish person who says
Starting point is 00:29:44 different. She just talked about Zionist as, you know, like this conflation, you know, as a code word, as the dog whistle and whatnot. And now you're saying any dehumanizing things about Zionists specifically. So I'm like, wait a second. Do you mean Jews? Because at this point, I'm not sure if you're doing the conflating. I think you are. Balance between safety and expression. Also, dehumanizing dehumanizing as a word is just out of control
Starting point is 00:30:17 generally speaking. It means nothing. It means nothing now. It means nothing. Hadar and I were talking about this the other day. But if we're going to be concerned about dehumanizing, like if it's a crime to dehumanize, then I want to know which
Starting point is 00:30:33 side in this debate is more prone to phrases like human animals nest of vipers, little cockroaches, etc. Like, who reaches for, yeah, death to the Arab, like, who reaches for that, you know? Now, if I was to, if, if I was to be drugged
Starting point is 00:30:52 and just assemble a random and completely meaningless string of words like all Zionists are Nazi swine, maybe you could say that that's literally dehumanizing because I'm comparing them to animals, you know, and I may be able to back up my claim or not. But I generally don't talk that way, you know, I don't have to reach for, I don't have to reach for those things. And even if I did, I think it's within the bounds of free speech. I mean, and I'm sorry, but like this, this idea of it being uniquely anti-Semitic to do sort of like the, you know, hateful anthropomorphizing, let's say, you know, what what they're calling dehumanization, which doesn't just mean comparing to animal. But specifically, they're like, they're like, like, no, that is, that is uniquely anti-Semitic.
Starting point is 00:31:40 And they'll cite like, oh, well, the Nazis call this rats and, and cockroaches. And I'll be like, here is a thousand different AI videos, you guys, and images you have created. Yeah, and here's a link to the Zionist or Nazi quiz. Right, exactly. And they'll say, like, well, you know, okay, that's bad. But it's not at, they literally will just be like, that's not as bad because the Jews had that happen to them. And it's worse if it happens to Jews. And to me, that's the shit where I'm like, you guys have completely lost the plot.
Starting point is 00:32:13 At this same event, right, this literal same stage, literal same podium, there was a guy by the name of Norm Coleman, chairman of the Republican Jewish coalition who said, quote, Jews are, the masters of the universe are Jews. I know. And then Jordana Cutler gets up on stage and she's like, and we moderate, you know, Jewish people doing mutual aid for Gaza through the Samir project. Like we are going to
Starting point is 00:32:40 disappear anyone who is trying to undercut the narrative of Zionism. Yeah. And the context for Coleman's statement was come on guys, we should be able to get this together, right? Right. We should be able to censor more. Yes. He's like, why are we dropping
Starting point is 00:32:57 the ball? Why are kids not supporting the genocide? Yeah. You know, sometimes I go on social media and I'm starting to feel like we don't control the media and that's fair it's like you're fucking so so anti-semitic it's like it's like a hockey interview after after a loss by the front writing team you know like sometimes you're your your your your your your best immortal all powerful beings have to act like your best immortal all powerful beings you know like sometimes Thanos has to step up and just have a
Starting point is 00:33:24 Thanos game you know that's right exactly our snaps were off our you know our rings were out of order yeah i'm just going to play a little bit more of this just because of what she says about post-October 7th moderation. Is to ensure that the voices of Israelis and the Jewish community are heard in this policymaking process. Finally. In the early morning hours of October 7th, and the days that followed, this truly felt like the right policy.
Starting point is 00:33:54 Now, the policy she's talking about here is a policy of removing images of stuff that happened on October 7th, Israelis being kidnapped, you know, bodies being, you know, put in cars, shit like that. The images we've all seen, right? So she's talking about Facebook removing those because people were celebrating them. I thought that was because the makers of the, you know, the cinematically released footage were like, hey, that's IP. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:34:24 I thought it was because they didn't want any footage of the Hannibal directive. Right, exactly. That too. But then this is the policy change that was made. We saw how this content was being shared and we used every tool at our disposal to prevent the glorification or support of Hamas on our platform. But as the situation unfolded, a new trend emerged. People began sharing footage of the kidnappings, not to support or celebrate them, but to
Starting point is 00:34:51 condemn and raise awareness. They shared images of the attacks and the hostages pleading for their safe return. In what other situation did people need to share footage of a terrorist attack to fight back at those denying that it ever happened. This wasn't a scenario that our policy had anticipated and meta needed to adapt. At first, this footage gave us the ick. But slowly after a few months, we started noticing little tinglings of arousal when we watched it. It started feeling, for lack of a better word, good. Yes. So essentially what she is saying here, and we'll go on to say is that initially their policy was like removing these videos, you know, for whatever reason
Starting point is 00:35:37 she's claiming, oh, people were celebrating them, which is a bunch of bullshit. I think that they were initially censored or whatnot because of the fact that it was explicit footage. And she stepped in, claiming that other people told her to change her tune here, she stepped in said, no, we need to be showing this footage. We need to be putting out videos of October 7th over and over and over again. She later in the video goes on to say that she, that they ban Hamas propaganda. Right. So, I'm imagining that they, they banned any visuals of the paragliders. Yes, yes. Oh, well, beyond just the, the, the, the, the, I mean, I'm not sure if it's they got rid of those. What they did get rid of, though, is evidence of a genocide that was
Starting point is 00:36:29 happening and has continued to happen since October 7. That's what they have done. And they put that in the realm of or in the category of Hamas propaganda. So anything that supports the idea, the reality of Israel doing a genocide in Gaza, that has been summarily silenced at any moment, including people like Michael talking about it. It's been, it's been Judea and Samaroli Silas. Exactly.
Starting point is 00:36:59 10 out of 10. 10 out of 10. Very good. But yeah, it's, it is like, you know, it's, it's crazy to go up there and talk about the specific carveouts for, not just for Jews, because this is a whole thing. This is an entire, that's fucking
Starting point is 00:37:17 bullshit explanation. Oh, this is for the, the Jews of the diaspora to feel safe. She's like, Jewish supremacy extends to online, baby. Yes, I mean, what she's saying is like, I'm creating a little Israel inside of your Facebook. You know, I'm going to create a little apartheid in which there are special exceptions
Starting point is 00:37:37 for the state of Israel specifically. And that is something that we are just supposed to go, yeah, that's normal. That's not normal. It is completely ridiculous. She goes on to talk about how she's living the Zionist dream. I mean, certainly. Can we play that clip? Is that okay?
Starting point is 00:38:00 I have been at META for almost nine years, longer than 95% of our current employees. Throughout these years, I have witnessed the company and the world change in ways I would have never imagined years ago. I am living out the Zionist dream. I made Aliyah almost 18 years ago and I am privileged to wake up every day in a city that used to be home to the Maccabees and to take my children to their Jewish school. You know what?
Starting point is 00:38:30 I would pay money to never hear. Her Hebrew accent. Yeah. You know, the language of the patriarchs and the matriarchs and the prophets and the song of songs and and you know, and the Torah being spoken by this fucking
Starting point is 00:38:49 Sarah Silverman look alike. She's like Sarah Bronzman. Like straight out. Sarah Runner Upman. Straight up like the I love that for her. She's talking about the Zionist dream
Starting point is 00:39:05 which is of course being a safe white Jew in America who's making Alia for no reason. But also also it's to the Zionist dream is to what? Be a professional. mod. That's all it is. Like, what if I could be the mods and I can ban whoever I want? And I can control what the Jews of the continent I was born on can or cannot do or say online
Starting point is 00:39:32 from over here in Israel. And claim to do it in the safety of all the other cooler, way better Jews. That's right. I'm living the Zionist dream, which is to press a button and zap the minds of my home planet from the comfort of the death star. We're like, we're nearly like 700 days into this Holocaust of the Palestinian people. And she's up on stage talking about living the Zionist dream. Dude, she's like the opposite of MLK Jr. Right. Exactly.
Starting point is 00:40:02 Jordina is on stage and she is like, I have a nightmare. Yeah, exactly. That one day, that one day people will be judged by the color of their skin and not the character of their content. I like character of their content. I thank you so much, dude. She said that she's proud to live in the same city as the Maccabees. Do you know that if you ask Britannica, where did the Maccabees live? The answer is Palestine.
Starting point is 00:40:28 Yeah, yeah. The Maccabees. You know that rag-tag underdog militia. Remember when Jews rooted for David instead of Goliath? Everybody remembers the Maccabees having the Iron Dome, right? Everybody remembers the Maccabees cutting off. food, water, and power to the people they were fighting. Maccabees.
Starting point is 00:40:47 Famous for bombing hospitals and killing journalists. The Maccabees? They were all known for dressing up in the clothing of the people they've just slaughtered. The 2,000 pound bombs were only supposed to last for one week. But yay, they lasted for eight
Starting point is 00:41:03 weeks. Dude, I wonder if the Maccabees were carving the Star of David into people's faces. A hundred percent. I mean, Maccabees, that story where it's a limited amount of oil, like how could you be so how could you lack such self-awareness that you would reference the maccabees and be withholding oil from the Palestinian people yeah dude if the macabees were alive today Jordana would cover up footage of them getting murdered by a quadcopter yes Michael's cooking this is just a yeah you cook and a string of bangers yeah but yeah I I love the uh always the comparison to uh ancient Israel and that ancient um you know Jewish history, completely disregarding any kind of, like, weird tribal genocidal nature that we all have in one aspect or another in ancient history. So, you know, this is, this is totally
Starting point is 00:41:59 fun and good. I'm glad that she got to live her Zionist dream of heading a fucking news conference called the Jewish News Syndicate, you know, just living out a fucking anti-Semitic Nazi fever dream of a job. It's really... Here's what's crazy. She is a Likud Party representative, basically. Right? She has been like an influential part of the party,
Starting point is 00:42:33 and she's the continuation of the ideological air of Ergun. gun, right? The Zionist terrorists responsible for the Nakhpa. And also the current party in charge under Sainahu. They are ideological heirs to Jabotinsky and Menachim Began, who were both virulent fascists. Jabotinsky actually studied under Mussolini. So these are the people that she represents. The people responsible for the first instance of terrorism in Palestine, the bombing of the King David Hotel, the people who are responsible for them. Nakba and the people who are still doing a Holocaust to the Palestinian people
Starting point is 00:43:11 and the people of Congo and Sudan. Yeah. Michael, you wouldn't say that if you'd ever tried the room service at that hotel. It was atrocious. Yeah. The King David. I would have left the Yelp review, but... One star got killed. Yeah. One star killed by Argoon. One star of David, terrorism.
Starting point is 00:43:28 Okay, thank you so much. You know what it's called when you watch footage of Zionist militias blowing up hotels, but you don't stop watching? I do. It's called Irguning. I knew where you were going. I knew where you're going immediately. Just a little bit of an intercept article about Jordana, META's Israel Policy Chief,
Starting point is 00:43:49 tried to suppress pro-Palestinian Instagram posts. This is back in October 21st, 2024 article by Sam Biddle. Of course, she has since succeeded in this. So the tried can be updated. So a former senior Israeli government official now working at Medell, as Israel Policy, as Meta's Israel Policy Chief personally pushed for the censorship of Instagram accounts belonging to students for Justice in Palestine, which is a group that's been organizing on campus. Internal policy discussions reviewed by the Intercept shows
Starting point is 00:44:25 Jordana Cutler use the company's content escalation channels to flag for review at least four SJP posts as well as other content. expressing stances contrary to Israel's foreign policy. When flagging S.J.P. Post, Cutler repeatedly invoked meta's, quote, dangerous organizations and individuals' policy. Acronym doi. Doi. Doip. Doip.
Starting point is 00:44:55 Doip. Which bars users from freely discussing a secret list of thousands of blacklisted entities. The dangerous organization's policy restricts, quote, glorification of those on the blacklist, but is supposed to allow for, quote, social and political discourse and, quote, commentary. The number one rule of the blacklist is we don't talk about the blacklist. That's right. We don't talk about it. And you don't know what those entities are. You don't know what's in it. But you can kind of guess through process of elimination. And I mean that literally, who has been eliminated from these platforms? You know, and I'll tell you what.
Starting point is 00:45:35 that's another good episode title yeah it's also not even my first time having my Instagram account disappeared this happened to me right 21 when they've the first wave of censorship during the unity in tifada um online where there was like a wide sweep across the platform that saw nerdine kiswani very uh you know uh dedicated organizer in new york city for within our lifetime both those platforms within our lifetime and nerdine have their accounts disappeared and then i actually found out, this is a little T, found out from somebody who works at META, not my source, but like a friend of a friend who sent meeting notes that showed that any mention of NERDIN
Starting point is 00:46:18 or within our lifetime would get somebody permaband from the app. And so these are, this, you know, this censorship is happening at a very high level, like top level executives who are making the call and then just disappearing. I didn't get a content violation. I didn't get a warning i didn't get anything i woke up i saw jordana cutler in my instagram stories and i was like oh fuck i'm cooked you know what i mean and then yeah an hour or so later my account was gone you can still google my account and like the shell of it exists but it'll take you to a link that doesn't work the rubble the rubble of your accounts still there and you're buried under it uh it is it is like you know this whole like digital warfare that you see going on and
Starting point is 00:47:05 It's, it would be more funny, I think. It's like, it's funny on one level, which is that, like, this is their, this is the battlefield that these weak, effete American-born Zionists choose to fight on a lot of the times is the PR battlefield. I include myself in that, which is like, you know, the battlefield that we're doing comedy about these fucking, you know, has bars, these people who have dedicated their lives, not to lift. a finger to fight the people they claim are the Nazis bent on the destruction of every Jew in the world. No, they fight them in the digital space. And it's so funny, you know, to watch their self-importance. The thing about it is that it is incredibly insidious and it is them doing cover for genocide, running cover for a genocide. And at some point, you look at people like Jordana and
Starting point is 00:48:06 everyone at fucking Facebook or any of these platforms who are allowing their content to be moderated by people who are literally agents of the government of Israel and you go like you all have blood on your hands. You're all covered
Starting point is 00:48:23 in fucking blood. Not fucking digital metaverse blood but actual blood. Like you are manufacturing consent constantly and you are making sure that no one else is countering that in any way. Manufacturing consent or indifference.
Starting point is 00:48:39 Yes. Or ignorance. And I mean, it's total control over what people think and what people do because like this has a chilling effect. Of course. My account going down, I have friends of mine who I've, I'd literally have been friends with for decade and we started comedy like around the same time. Like we have been good friends.
Starting point is 00:48:59 He said to me, he's scared to text me because he's like worried about getting kicked out of the country because he's like a on a visa, you know? And so that's like real because they're using AI bots basically to determine who lives or dies. And so they're probably doing a similar thing based on like my contacts list. So yeah, it's crazy. Join Palestine action. Everybody, everybody should join Palestine action.
Starting point is 00:49:23 If you can't join the Palestine action, then at least support their work, right? You don't need to swing a sledgehammer yourself, but you can buy one for somebody who would. they go into like weapons manufacturers and do a little bit of interior redecoration they're direly in need they feng shui it a little bit yeah yeah yeah and so yes please support them there are political prisoners from palestine action who are currently in jail for destroying weapons manufacturers sean middleboro is one that i know personally i interviewed him when he was outside of a different factory in shenstone um and also yeah it's the philton 18 so So Google the Filton 18, also check out the Samir Project.
Starting point is 00:50:06 The Samir Project is doing mutual aid distribution of food and water in Gaza where people are literally starving to death. And so, you know, this is what I was talking about. This is what I, like, you know, what matters to me the most. And that's what, like, Jordana couldn't handle. She also couldn't handle that my clip was going viral and people were reacting to it. People loved it, you know. And so they just hate to see a Jewish person who supports the Palestinian resistance shine.
Starting point is 00:50:31 Right. All of our listeners, please do us a solid. If you see Jordana Cutler pop up in the live chat of any of our video premieres or, you know, or the comment section, just let us know. Yeah, let us know. And we'll try our best to, you know, shape up, you know, shape up or ship out. You know, and that's what they say. No, but it is like, it is truly concerning. It is something that I have been, you know, kind of waiting for.
Starting point is 00:51:01 this, the eventual de-platforming of any voices who are going to be speaking out against this genocide. And it's, it's something that I, for, you know, there was one thing that I could say that was a positive, you know, during the beginnings of this was they seemed, there seemed to be so many people going online and sharing images and sharing, you know, what was happening on the ground in Gaza that all of these social media companies and these fucking, you know, Israeli mods who are going on and trying to ban, they couldn't do everyone at once. They couldn't like it was, it was like they were overloaded. There was, uh, you know, there's too many people.
Starting point is 00:51:45 And now, you know, it's slowly, they're figuring out ways to, uh, to mass ban everything. And it's, it does have a chilling effect. The tides are turning, right? They can only do so much. And just last year, they had to allot an extra $150 million for Hasbara. Because they've been failing so bad. Of course. That's actually like a tangible indication of our success, right?
Starting point is 00:52:12 We are taking back intellectual ground from the Zionists and we will never seed that ground. We are marching straight ahead, straight to Al-Quds. You know what I'm saying? The price of Hasbara. per barrel has gone up that's right i mean i don't think they i feel like the money didn't even get distributed to like the actual teenagers who are going online and being like palatine doesn't exist you know like i don't even feel like they're getting the money i feel like it's probably just like some intermediary who is like got a consulting contract oh yeah yeah i mean you see online
Starting point is 00:52:47 there's a you know more and more people are finally speaking out about it but yeah it will be interesting to see how much, you know, the, the censorship, because it really is going to have to increase to a level that is going to be very noticeable. It's, it's not just going to be, you know, smaller accounts like ours, you know, that are worried. It's like, don't do that. You guys are big. Everybody loves you guys. Well, come on. We all, we don't want to get, we watch you here at the Palestine pot. You know what I mean? Well, we don't, thank you. I appreciate that. But we don't, you know, we don't want to, we don't want to be too, listen, this is why we. We don't want to be too, listen, this is why we remain unsuccessful. We want to be unsuccessful, so no one notices that. We're here. You're right.
Starting point is 00:53:29 I got too successful. It's my fault. That's right. I was going to blame you. I'm blaming you for being too successful. Speaking of success. What were you wearing of your career? That's right. Speaking of success, we have successfully segued now into an ad break. So everyone, stick around. We'll be right back. and we're back this badass bar world's most moral podcast here with mike intifada aka michael shirtser what's up doc hey thanks for having me thank you so much you guys are extending me a platform after mine got de-platformed you got de-platformed and it happens and we've been talking it's shirts so good yeah shirts so good because shirts are yeah yeah i got you
Starting point is 00:54:20 I get things. So we've been talking about, obviously, these major tech platforms doing all sorts of shenanigans, you know, kicking people off. And one of the things they've been doing also is offering, you know, a little bit of free AI for people. And I just, this is not necessarily as bar related. But I was in our YouTube channels like YouTube studio, right, where you post stuff and you can read all of the comments, in one place for like multiple different episodes. Daniel and I did an episode recently with
Starting point is 00:54:56 the Holocaust survivor Stephen Kaposh. And people were commenting all sorts of things, very nice things, and someone made a comment about the fact that Daniel looked different. And it was the fact that he
Starting point is 00:55:12 shaved his beard. What I didn't know is that YouTube as a service offers free AI suggestions for replies to comments that I'm going to read for you right now. So first the comment, someone writes 40 minutes into, this
Starting point is 00:55:31 mercurial jester wrote, 40 minutes into this amazing interview, it finally hit me why it felt like something was wrong. Daniel's signature scruff is gone. I got so used to it that when he shaved it off, I had a visceral gut reaction that something wasn't right. And they suggested, as a reply, I think he shaved it to get a better glimpse of the Holocaust.
Starting point is 00:55:53 You know, I had, I had ordered just to save some money, a partial view ticket. Just want to see a little bit. You know, but I noticed that some of the seats were, were available for shaving people. So I just moved down to a lower section. I just want to go ahead. AI really encouraging the paid version. I know. Dude, this is like, I'm sorry, but who red-pilled grok?
Starting point is 00:56:18 why why is he out here making holocaust jokes in our comment section and what the fuck this shaving my beard have to do with getting a better glimpse of it whatever the fuck that means i don't know what it means i like if it was if it was you know oh daniel's wearing prescription glasses yes probably so he can get a better glimpse of the holocaust i think we can all agree that your facial hair was getting in the way oh yes yes getting away of your empathy for those uh the view of the holocaust i just like i am just amazed that google's already they're like you know what this ai is ready dog let's put it in let's put it in this episode about a holocaust survivor let's make a little holocausty joke that all the all the bots understand anyways it was
Starting point is 00:57:10 it's a elon's thing right like he rock yeah grok is like a product of elon musk and elon musk literally did the Hail Hitler on stage. So it's not too far of a stretch, right? It's not too far. It just, you know, it's, it is. And also, given that, like, NASA was founded by Nazis, like, Warner von Braun through Operation Paperclip and, like, the coordination of the United States government and Nazis and Zionists and Nazis, now the space program still controlled by Nazis.
Starting point is 00:57:40 So it's like a whole through line. Yeah, I love it. I love it that they've maintained control of their spaces, including space. Also, speaking of Nazis, you guys know that there are. are Nazis in Ukraine and Nazis in Russia killing each other? That's crazy. Which as it all works itself out. I knew about the, I knew about the, uh, the, the Azov Nazis in, uh, Ukraine.
Starting point is 00:58:02 I didn't know about the Russian Nazis. Oh, yeah. They've got the Wagner. And so it's like, uh, yeah, it's kind of like a win-win. You know. Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's fun.
Starting point is 00:58:13 Let them have fun over there. Um, just good old fashioned fun those two. Yeah. Before we continue We never talk about Nazi on Nazi crime I know, exactly Not enough, I feel We need to talk about Nazi crime staff
Starting point is 00:58:25 Is that the whitest of the white on crime White, white, white Yeah, it's white on white Yeah, it's double white, white on white. That's the crime de la crime of crime That's each battling for ultimate white supremacy I love sublime the most I don't know why sublime is my go-to white
Starting point is 00:58:44 thing, but I do think it's very white I love Sublime. Don't get me wrong. And just real quick, we got a couple of messages from supporters of our podcast who wanted to just give some shoutouts. One is from BB, who said this. Free Palestine. Oh, yeah. Free Palestine. Free Palestine.
Starting point is 00:59:08 Thank you. We really appreciate it. And then our home girl, Lizzie Sivetsky, wanted to just. give us a shout out and sent us a little message. Aloh Akbar! So thank you so much, Lizzie. Thanks, Lizzie. God is great. Masha Allah.
Starting point is 00:59:26 Mahashallah, right? Aloh Akbar. Thank you. Takpir. Yes. I need to get a video of her being lae lae la. That would be so sick. Anyways, today, we're going to end this with the
Starting point is 00:59:45 little bit of Pierce Morgan. Listen, I am no fan of Britain's worst export since, I don't know, fucking,
Starting point is 00:59:57 let's say, vinegar on fries. I know a lot of people like that. It's not for me. I don't like it. Or whatever, bread pie.
Starting point is 01:00:06 Whatever they like. Frankly, I wish he disappears, Morgan. I think I, I pretty much get it at him. Having been found guilty by a jury of his peers, Morgan. There we go. There we go.
Starting point is 01:00:23 Do you remember when he was found guilty for the phone hacking scandal that he was involved in? Oh, that's right. In the daily mirror, he's literally an intelligence asset anyway. Yeah, dude. He's like, oh, gee. This was at a time when he was also credit where credit is due. It was like he had discovered his beat was like being against the Iraq war, which were creditors due. And then he just, he was, he wasn't getting the, he wasn't getting the rush anymore.
Starting point is 01:00:50 And so he started doing phone hacking. And his plot arc recently seems to be like some kind of very early model droid trying to become sentient. Right. Yes. Like he's struggling to achieve sentience and original thought and like escape his programming. And it's very hard because the programming keeps pulling him back. But we have a clip of what I think is potentially. at least cosmetically, if not more profoundly, a breakthrough in that, in that effort to
Starting point is 01:01:22 achieve sentience and moral awareness. You seem to have a very clear idea. So he's talking to Sippy Hoto Levy. He's talking to a blueberry girl from Willie Wonka. Motherfucking name Sippy. She took a sippy of that blueberry juice and now she big as balloon. It's okay to body shame war criminals. Yeah, there, yes.
Starting point is 01:01:50 By the way, there's actually, there's a carve-out on meta for people who do war crimes. Terrorists you've killed. You've said the number, but you have absolutely no idea how many children have died in the process. I simply ask you why. Why do the lives of the Hamas terrorists get recorded? But you don't record the number of children you killed. I'm willing here to give you the strategy about the war because this was the question you were asking. Why don't you answer my question?
Starting point is 01:02:14 I'm giving you only the answers that I have. Just tell me why you know one number and not the other. But the number makes a difference just if you're targeting civilians. If Israel is not targeting civilians, according to the international law. It doesn't make any difference to the number of children who've died. It does have a difference according to the international humanitarian law. But how do you know about the number of terrorists killed, but you don't know how many children have been killed? How do you know one, not the other?
Starting point is 01:02:39 Explain to me. I'm treating me like a village idiot. Why is it you know one number? Gladly, Pierce. We all have been. I love treating you like the village idiot. It's one of my favorite past times. According to the international humanitarian law, it makes a lot of difference.
Starting point is 01:02:56 If you're targeting civilians, if you're targeting, actually it doesn't. It doesn't. I'm not talking about who you're targeting. Michael, what do you think, what do you think Lara would say about that? Laura would say that international law is being violated gravely every single day. and if we have any hope we would hold the occupation to full account in the court of law where they're already wanted for war crimes and also all of the cases that the Hindra Job Foundation
Starting point is 01:03:23 is launching against the actual soldiers who carried out the genocide day by day. That's what you'd probably say. And she'd also probably say Pierce Morgan looks like he's recording on a potato. Yeah. So it looks like he's turning into one. You're deliberately targeting the children who've been killed. That's the only thing. No, no, no, no, it's not because you know how many terrorists you've killed, you say, but you have no idea how many children.
Starting point is 01:03:51 So how many children have died in the process? Why don't you know that number two? Pierce, please ask this question to the people that can give you the answer. I don't have the answer. Who has the answer? Who has the answer? Who has the answer? I don't have the answer. I love to go on a talk show. I love to go on a talk show and be like, please don't ask me questions. Go on. I know you brought me on here as the representative of the Israeli government, ask me questions, but please don't do that. Can't we just talk about botchy? Yeah, I could talk about, you know, like how many terrorists we've killed. I know the exact number of that. But when it comes to children, what I say is talk to the hand because the face is confused
Starting point is 01:04:31 and doesn't know that number and we'll get back to you on that later. And we're missing the part in this clip. I think it's earlier when she calls the question irrelevant. Oh, yeah, yeah. Because Hamas, you know, what is relevant? Well, because Hamas uses human shields and therefore no bomb that we drop that kills a child actually is the reason that child died. And isn't it crazy that there's so much footage of them using Palestinians as human shields and literally no footage of the opposite? Not only footage, but extensive testimony of Italian policy.
Starting point is 01:05:06 As minesweepers, as tunnel rats, as, you know, as as as as as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as. people to send into a demolished home. Talk about dehumanization, right? Tunnel rat? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, they've literally, what did they? I, this is, hold up.
Starting point is 01:05:25 Speaking of tunnels, actually, you guys remember when the tunnels popped up in Crown Heights? I do remember that. Dog. I think we can, an unfortunate event. I think we can all agree Palestinians way better at building tunnels. I mean, clearly, if you're going to build. The marksmanship is unparalleled. It's crazy.
Starting point is 01:05:42 that it popped up right into someone already holding a camera I hear something going on and they're like, oh, we didn't build these as well. Yeah, this entire Pierce, you know, arc has always been
Starting point is 01:05:58 annoying because of the fact that he has clearly been doing things that I think are good, like allowing people to finish sentences who are pro psalis. You know, like, which sounds like a low bar, but it's actually fucking huge for anyone who has a big platform, especially in quote news.
Starting point is 01:06:17 He perpetuated the lie about 40 beheaded babies. Of course. He's just as culpable. And I think he realizes that the tide is turning and like he could potentially be tried for war crimes like in the Nuremberg trials. And so he's like, actually, I've been on the right side the whole time. There's a lot of people like that, right? There's a lot of people right that, you know, there was a huge list of British literary people.
Starting point is 01:06:39 I think, I don't know if they were all British, but Zadie Smith was one of them. She's the one who wrote this fucking, you know, piece in the New Yorker exactly a year ago talking about how it's, you know, dangerous and irresponsible to talk about a genocide in Gaza. There's a lot of people who are, who are, you know, having, you know, I don't know, come to Francesca moments. Yeah, not my wife, Albanese, but both, both equally cool. Correct. But it could also be a come to Jesus moment because Jesus was Palestinian. Like, that's a good point. That's a good point.
Starting point is 01:07:11 Either way. Either way. It was the road to Damascus. Did you see Brianna Wu's whole thing about Aramaic? Oh, fucking dude. I can't handle it. We're over. We're not covering her anymore for a while, but it was pretty funny. It was great because it was just her refusing to listen to linguists about what Aramaic is. Amazing. She is, I love her kind of like baby brain when it comes to Zionism because she, she, she's she's about to take Hebrew classes
Starting point is 01:07:43 she's like fuck it I'm doing it I'm learning Hebrew and I'm doing it not already in them yeah I mean listen the fact that she's like I want to take Hebrew classes is kind of like it's like when you're at a job and they're like you want to do management training because you're doing pretty good at this well I really management training I hope she enjoys finding out that there's no W in the Hebrew alphabet
Starting point is 01:08:03 yeah yeah yeah can Brianne Wu exist she's going to be V She's going to be a voo from that one. But that's what I mean when I'm saying, like, the tide is turning. Like, even Pierce Morgan, a talking head of imperialism is now trying to oppress Israeli officials so that he can clip himself being, you know, on the right side now. But, like, we don't forget and we don't forgive, honestly.
Starting point is 01:08:29 Like, I will forever remember people who were silent, people who were lying openly about the genocide. It's going to follow them for the rest of their. lives. And also, I think that's like why they disappeared me as well. It's like my very existence is such a challenge to the Zionist narrative that they were like, we're not satisfied with shadow banning. We're not satisfied with purging your followers. It's not enough that we are going to take down one or two posts. No, you are disappeared completely eradicated. And like, that's something that I now share with Palestinians. They're trying to eradicate them completely. Right. I'm never going to forget who Pierce really is or, you know, like he's never not going to be the village idiot to me. And he never will, you know, escape the stain of all of the apologetics he did and the kind of willful stupidity. And at the same time, I want to see more of that kind of interview. I mean, it's good shit to press one of these fuckers like that. And even if the question itself is
Starting point is 01:09:39 accepting some premises that are themselves, you know, faulty or racist or a historical or whatever, the outcome of seeing an Israeli official stammer and say outright, asking me about the number of children we've killed is irrelevant. Boom, I'll take it. I don't care from who. I hear you. I've been watching in this media tour of current Israeli officials struggling to complete a sentence.
Starting point is 01:10:01 And they end up just screaming at whoever is interviewing them. It happened in Norway recently. Yeah. It's actually, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum. Yum, yum, yum, yum. And my partner and I were watching it. And she was like, I don't want to see this. This is like, this makes me anxious. And I was like, this is actually therapeutic for me. Because it's the first time anybody has ever held them to account, even in the smallest way, right? Even if it's just intellectually on a talk show, this is a huge deal because I've been doing this so long that I remember when we wouldn't even be on the talk shows. That's right. Yeah. And it's, you know, like always been. insane to me with the amount of media training that these people have that they can't answer they don't have like a stock answer for a question that any not even real journalist even a fake
Starting point is 01:10:55 journalist on TV would ask and instead what they're counting on is that no one would dare ask it and that's fucking that's I think says everything about these motherfuckers and their talking points are no longer working right right they know that you got to ask come out like that literally does not work anymore right and so they're out of moves yeah intellectually yeah and it's crazy it's check bait they've they've they've had all this time they've had all this time to invent more hasbara but instead they're like no we're just going to keep being indignant we're just going to keep being fake offended that you would dare ask us to care about the lives of people that we consider to be subhuman So, you know, if they're not Nazis, I don't know what a fucking Nazi is.
Starting point is 01:11:39 They're like, how dare you accuse me of being a cannibal? I will eat you right now. That's right. Thanks for having me on. I'll show you a fucking cannibals. Mikey, it was wonderful having you. Thank you for coming on. Everyone follow him on his new Instagram handle and on all social media.
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Starting point is 01:12:09 That's right. Patreon.com slash badhasbara, badasbara at gmail.com for all your questions, comments, and concerns. All right, everyone. Thanks again. So, so much for listening. And until next time, from the river to the sea. God damn it, I hate when Pierce Morgan and us agree.
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