Bad Hasbara - The World's Most Moral Podcast - 116: Exit Music (For A Fanbase), with Anthony Fantano

Episode Date: June 20, 2025

(NOTE: This is an UNLOCKED Patreon exclusive episode. You should really join the Patreon.)Matt and Daniel are joined by music critic and creator of The Needle Drop, Anthony Fantano to get the knives out for Thom Yorke's muddled stance on Gaza and Israel, to declare Gen-X as jaded as Mila Kunis in a video for a third-tier Aerosmith song, and to definitively adjudicate the Kendrick-Drake beef by Roberts Rules of Order.Please donate to Islamic Relief USA: https://irusa.orgLIVE COMEDY SHOW DATESFriday August 1st - Francesca and Matt will be at Laughs Comedy Club in Seattle. Tickets here: https://bit.ly/4kFt1xESaturday August 2nd - The Bitchuation Room LIVE in Seattle. Tickets here: https://bit.ly/4khBhnKHOUSTON AUGUST 28 - Francesca and Matt will be at The Punchline in Houston. Tickets: https://www.ticketmaster.com/event/3A0062C3F8154B3FVisit Anthony's channel The Needle Drop: https://www.youtube.com/@theneedledropFind Anthony online at https://x.com/theneedledrop or https://www.instagram.com/afantanoSubscribe to the Patreon https://www.patreon.com/badhasbaraWhat’s The Spin playlist: https://spoti.fi/4kjO9tLSubscribe/listen to Bad Hasbara wherever you get your podcasts.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/bad-hasbara/donationsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

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Dan's face looks a little sunburned. Right. You'll say, yeah, well, that's because you climbed a mountain today. I climbed a volcano today. Jesus. That is, I mean, it's very cool, but aren't you? It was Jew versus the volcano. Yeah.

Aren't you worried? It's a Joe versus a volcano joke, for those of you don't know. It's a great movie. Aren't you worried about the lava? Anyways. It was a volcano that erupted like 10 days ago. Yeah. Mount Netta. Yeah. It was quite a, quite a hike. Yeah. Was there, I guess there was no more lava. They cleaned up all the lava. They cleaned up all the lava. It cleaned up real good. Mr. Lava lava, shaggy. But if you are someone who is watching, Michael, I think I told you I'm a lava, not a fighter. Mr. Boombastic, we have a fantastic episode. But if you're watching, you'll notice maybe the video looks a little bit different. With this episode, Streamyard went down right.

before the recording. So we switched over to Zoom. So obviously things are going to not be as, like, look as good. But also because of that, we did things in sort of a little bit out of order. So for today's What's the Spin, we actually recorded it at the end of the episode with our wonderful guest, Anthony Fantano. So you will be seeing him for the What's the Spin. And then we will be reintroducing him because that is how pre-recorded podcast work.

And speaking of pre-recorded, folks, I just want you to just put yourself in my position for a second. Yes, please. And imagine, you know how excitable I get about records and music and talking about them at length and, you know, making you wait for the actual substance of the show. That's right. I want to, I want to just spin off in the whole thing. Wax poetic about the.

Wax poetic. Very good. Wow. Sometimes you treat me like I'm dumb man, but I'm smart. I'm very smart. So how do you think I reacted when I found out that we were getting the internet's busiest music nerd on this podcast? I mean, it's cool enough that Anthony given, and we speak to him about this, you know, given what his main focus is, what he's known for, which is music reviews of all kinds, is speaking out about politics. Turns out that's not such a lane shift for him given his background and his interests and all that.

but that aside I mean I really had to come correct with what's the spin today so I actually recorded something I pre-recorded something back home in New York that's right

I left on this trip knowing we'd be interviewing him and so it was I mean you can just you can the giddiness I think was quite palpable thrill of a lifetime and Anthony was nice enough

to be able to stick around for a bit to watch the what's the spin and to comment on it which is lovely So I will now toss over to myself and this. Daniel, what's the spin? Well, Matt, I'm so glad you asked.

Anthony, I'm sure you'll be able to tell what all these records behind me have in common. For those not in the know, these are all albums that Anthony has given a 10 out of 10 to. That's in honor of you. But I wanted to select some records that I consider perfect 10s that you haven't reviewed or that I haven't seen your review. Number one, and I'm sure you wouldn't disagree. company flow fun crusher plus the 1997 full length from the underground hip hop classic trio of mr len big just and of course the mighty LP later to find fame with run the jewels angel dust by faith no more i think faith no more gets a bad rap

either they get written off as a one-hit wonder or they get lumped in with vastly inferior so-called new metal or funk metal groups that were completely indebted to them, I can't recommend this album enough. I think it's a perfect 10. And honestly, Anthony, you got enough people in your comments begging you to review it. So I hope you will. And then a couple of albums looking at relationships

from very different angles. Number one, Cort and Spark by Joni Mitchell. I'd be hard pressed to name Joni's best album for me. It wouldn't be blue. Pretty much everything that came immediately after Blue from For the Roses through Hijira is actually superior to blue more interesting, more ambivalent and musically more adventurous. I chose this one just because it's so slick with that L.A. Express sound and so many great

songs about insecurity and ambivalence in relationship. And then the Afghan wigs gentleman from the early 90s really gets into the weeds of what these days is known as toxic masculinity and all of the dark, twisted psychology and emotions of that. In a very honest and faithful way, I think, great, great playing by the entire band, and Greg Dully's lyrics and vocals are really classic. While on the shelf behind me, there is three feet high and rising somewhere. But for my money, this is where I think they really found their most unique and exciting form.

Prince Paul's production has never been more soulful. funkier and their rapping is at its most oblique here and i think that really serves them i know we've got bitches brew on the shelf but for my money in a silent way is miles davis's best and finally anthony i know you're probably going to disagree with this one but i selected it on purpose because i think you need to reconsider i'm going to make an appeal to you that don't say steely dan no when i heard you speak about it you were character doing it as smooth insipid jazz rock which i think really does this service. This is not Kenny G. This is some funky, funky shit. And artists from De LaSoul all the way up to MF Doom, hip-hop artists, producers have understood that the Steely Dan

catalog is a treasure trove of some of the tastiest moments in music. But what I think often gets missed is the lyrical skill. They're incredibly precise, very sardonic, not always easy to understand off the jump, but if you just take a look at them and soak in the the songs a little bit and get into the characters that are being portrayed. There's a deep sense of humor, irony, and on this album, also some poignancy with tracks like Deacon Blues. So, that's my pitch, Asia, Stelied Ann. I think it's a perfect 10. What do you think? Let me know in the comments below. Transition. Am I doing this right? Beautiful. I need to get into Afghan Wigs. And, you know, I'm also an appreciator of late Erejone, especially the jazz fusion stuff.

Unfortunately, that also includes the album where she has blackface, which is also very weird. Don Juan's Restless Daughter. Right. Wait, she's wearing blackface? Yeah, on the cover, on the cover, she's dressed up as her character, Art Nouveau, a black man with a mustache and a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a blacklistless daughter. top hat. And she once showed up at a party in New York City, like a music industry party, and no one knew it was her. She dressed up as him. But, hey, Mingus made, right after that album, Mingus made his last project with her, Herbie Hancock, Wayne Shorter, Prince's favorite. I'm not saying, oh, black people like her, so she's, so that's cool. Right. You know, black people love her. And we made a, you know, we all make mistakes. You know, I used to be,

I don't think she's, I don't think she's ever recanted. I used to be a one man bone thugs and harmony acoustic cover band and you know that probably it's not the best time of my life uh probably should have you changed some lyrics though didn't you matt it took a while for me to change certain lyrics and i learned later in life that uh you know matt i shouldn't do all the lyrics tell me what you gonna do when cancellation comes for you yeah uh my friend were having a wonderful day that's Uh, anyways. Thank you for, uh, thanks for hearing me on that, Anthony. Yeah.

Thanks for doing the video. It was fun. All right, everyone. Now it is time to get to the portion of the show where we introduce our guest. I am super excited about this guest. Uh, we've been, uh, back and forth trying to get him scheduled for a bit now. And, uh, Daniel, I know that you can't, you can't contain yourself. You're so stoked.

Look at you. The music, the music trivia. lyrical references incontinence is just it's just spilling out of the seams of my of my cerebral underwear of your loins your brain loins are wet wet with anticipation uh you know him from of course the needle drop he is the internet's busiest music nerd ladies and gentlemen and everyone else welcome to the podcast anthony fentano what's up dog hey how you guys doing I'm doing all right. How are you doing?

I'm doing good. We need a big horn intro or something. Yeah, yeah, we'll add that in post. Or maybe an air horn. Yeah, we can do the reggae horn. We have like a soundboard, but it's a lot of inside jokes. Just like, you're emotionally damaged, Jewishly. You're Jewishly emotionally damaged.

We have this for no reason. What's this one? Crazy Jews. Crazy Jews. That's Anthony. No, your name's Anthony. That's Benjamin Netanyahu saying crazy Jews. Anthony, first, thank you for coming on.

We're always stoked when we get someone to come on the pod who's not necessarily from the world of like politics and stuff or whatever. And, you know, for a lot of people in a lot of different industries, this issue seems to transcend politics. It's like not even political for a lot of people. It's moral. But that, of course, that leads us to our first question. Does it?

I think it does. That was an accident. Well, no, it's perfect segue. Anthony. We discussed this in advance, Matt. We agreed on what the first question would be. We did, but I forgot. You forgot.

So I'm going to take it right now. I'm going to take the fucking ball and run. with it. Anthony, how the hell does the internet's busiest music nerd have the time and the bandwidth in his schedule to have a moral conscience? How do you how do you juggle these things? How are you so good? Talk about how good you are. I'm just kidding. I mean, I just follow politics very closely and graduated with a concentration of political science from where I went to college and originally had sort of aspirations to be a news reporter of some type or stripe when I originally got out of college and kind of being a radio disc jockey didn't really seem like a great idea after the housing bubble had popped in 2008 and a lot of those jobs were getting kind of cleared out and obviously like the ongoing corporatization of like music radio and so on and so forth. But, you know, I ended up kind of like getting back into doing a music show through, you know, a podcast for the NPR station where I was interning, which kind of rolled into a blog and the YouTube channel and so on and so forth.

But like over the course of all that time, I never stopped following and paying attention to world affairs. Yeah. To the point where it has been sort of like this consistent thing since like the beginning of my YouTube channel where I like, you know, sometimes every once in a while, like. mention something or bring up something in a record or tweet about something that's like politically related. People are you talking about this? Right. Don't talk about politics. And I'm talking about politics. I've seen that in in some of, uh, you know, your comments occasionally, um, you know, you'll see people just go like, why are you even bringing up politics? This, you know, this isn't you. This isn't your channel. I've seen it more so, uh, when you have been speaking out about, uh,

Palestine, which I find to be interesting. That sounds coincidental to me. Yeah, no, I'm sure that's absolutely a coincidence. I mean, yeah, I've even been getting it lately with some of the video clips and stories I've been sharing about, you know, everything going on in L.A. right now and in New York as well. It's, it's always kind of funny because, like, more than 10 years of, like, making it clear that this is, like, something that I just kind of pay attention to.

beyond like where I kind of fall on ideological lines with any of it. It's just kind of funny to be consistently still to this day like getting comments that are like, why do you pay attention on politics? Why do you post about anything political? And it's like I don't know. I live in the world where all of this is happening. I have to live on the same planet as all of this. No, you live on the needle drop. You only live when I click on you. Why do you pay attention to current events in politics? Can you go back to your review of Evil Empire by Rich Against the Machine and there's a riot going on by Sly and the families don't please. Yeah, right, exactly, exactly.

And, you know, that's kind of another reason. I feel like if I didn't pay attention to any social issues, like, my reviews would be a lot dumber. Yeah. I wouldn't, I wouldn't understand the social context for anything being said or communicated in any of the songs I'm reviewing at any given time. Rage against the machine conjures an absurdist vision of male cows marching down the street. Or, you know, even something that's as silly.

perceived to be as casual as like, you know, um, a Billy Elish song about the, the way a young girl has to sort of like wrestle with something like body image issues, you know, like even something as simple as that. Like I would, you know, whatever's being set on a track like that would just completely fly over my head and I would have no sort of like, you know, perspective or frame of reference for any of it if I didn't like pay attention to social discourse. I mean, it's like, you know, art is downstream from the culture that it exists in and, and that it's created within. I mean, a lot of art is made, whether artists intend for it to be or not, is as a reflection of the world that it's existing in. I mean, you know, if you don't understand the world you're existing into some degree, like, how do you interpret the art that's coming out of it? So, I mean, to me, like, you know, again, outside of advocating for any kind of like political point of view, at least being aware of the things that are happening. and what's like socially going on in the zeitgeist, I think is like pretty essential to understanding, you know, the art that's coming out of it and critiquing it effectively.

I guess a useful counter to the whole stupid stay in your lane, you know, admonishment is, yeah, I'm staying in my lanes, plural. These are, you know, this highway is wide and I occupy all this space and, you know, you're not new to this. It's not like you're some person with music. who's suddenly deciding, oh, let me have a hot take about politics. It's all connected. That's a, that's a powerful place to come from. Yeah, yeah, essentially.

I first became aware, not of you. I was already aware of you for a few years now because of, and I'll, you know, we'll get to this at some point, our shared love of the band Radiohead. and you know I rarely look at like music reviews online and whatnot but I would watch you talking about a specific radio head albums and I loved the way that you did it and you know I thought it was great but I became aware of your public advocacy for Palestine through I think it was during the Kendrick Lamar Drake Beef you were reacting to maybe it was not like us and I saw that it was a charity stream

or at the very least you were shouting out a charity during that stream for Palestine and I was like what holy shit is Fantano a pro-Palestine person and you know beyond that then I've seen you more and more doing more public advocacy for it

before we get into talking about Radiohead I do want to talk to you about that beef, Drake versus Kendrick. I don't know if you know this, but Kendrick is being sued by Drake for the beef. And for many reasons, including, and this is real, for anti-Semitism. It's unconsher beef. Yeah, it's a very unconsher beef. in the lawsuit one of the clauses says furthering the recording's refrain that Drake is

quote not like us the recording the recording alludes to Drake's Jewish heritage saying that Drake is quote not a colleague but quote a fucking colonizer well that's telling on yourself isn't it if you hear if you hear the line you're not a colleague you're a fucking colonizer and you're mind goes to your Jewishness. There's something wrong. Yes. That's that is also my personal opinion. Can I ask you, Anthony, when you heard that line, did you immediately think anti-Semitism or do you

think it's speaking to something else? Yeah, I don't think that the line was trying to speak to, I don't know, like what's going on in the West Bank or anything like that. I don't think Drake has any sort of like personal connection or I believe even like I don't know the man well enough to say whether or not he has a strong opinion on it. I know early on he was quick to adopt a this letter that was going around announcing or sort of calling for a ceasefire. That's right. Before some other celebrities, including Kendrick Lamar like had said any such, you know, and any such thing about the issue. So, you know, I don't think, you know, Drake is being characterized by Kendrick like that over this, over that matter. I don't think it has anything to do with this Jewishness as

much as it has to do with what Kendrick and a lot of people perceive to be as him being culturally outside of hip-hop due to the way that he was raised and his family ties and so on and so forth. And I feel like, you know, these are things that you could legitimately disagree with and take umbrage with as, um, you know, a Drake fan, a Drake supporter. Um, but, uh, and it cuts a lot of different ways, too. I mean, you know, without necessarily like, um, getting into another issue here I can't necessarily entirely speak on. There's like a lot of discussions around colorism within the black community in terms of. of like how the song is currently being framed in terms of like you know is this sort of like a negative characterization of all those who may be light skinned and right and sort of like you know putting some way yes exactly or mixed and putting them underneath um you know anybody else

within the black community like there's a lot of different ways the song could be interpreted you know i don't think it's uh i don't think that assessment of it is accurate that uh you know he's He's going after Drake's Jewish heritage right there. Yeah. But who knows? The entire third verse. Yeah, who knows? I mean, look, look, the entire third verse is structured, like the first verse and the second

verse are a series of like, you know, punches from left and right, pedified this is like coming from all directions. The third verse is a thesis. Right. Let me put you all on game. Like I'm going to actually, I'm going to like lay out the argument for you. you. And he says it over and over again. You run to Atlanta for this, for dollars, for street cred, all this kind of stuff. And he concludes it with his concluding sentence. You're not a colleague.

You're a fucking colonized. Yeah. He explains what he perceives to be the colonization. Right. He explains the source of it or what he thinks is sort of colonize. I'm more offended as a Canadian than I am as a Jew. But I'm not offended because fuck Toronto and fuck Drake. Right. In Vancouver. But in any case. It's an absurd claim for Lekinto. Yeah, I mean, it's clearly ridiculous. And also, like you said, Daniel, it is telling on yourself, you really should. Like, this is the problem I have with a lot of this Hasbara and a lot of the sort of panic around anti-Semitic dog whistles is people will just say something as a dog whistle that ends up being this weird indictment of all Jewish people that no one was making.

Like, like, I'm just grateful, I guess, that they didn't think. that him being called a pedophile was somehow Epstein coded, or I mean, I guess he does, he is called Epstein, but as if that's somehow like because he's Jewish. And people have been trying to do that. There was an article in the, I think it was the Jewish Chronicle talking about how all of this talk of Drake being a pedophile, you know, alludes to a time when Jews were called, you know, sexual, you know, deviant. And I'm like, stop doing this. This is not good for us if you keep trying to make the connections happen.

It just makes people, you're just making people think that we're profiles. It's fucked up. We're not, Fantano. Okay? We're not. Okay. Thank you. Thank you.

Hey, everyone. So we're going to take a quick little break. But please stick around because we will be right back. And we're back. That's right. It's Bad as Barrow, World's Most Moral Podcasts. And we are going to return to our wonderful episode and interview with Anthony Fantano. So good. Moving on from whether or not Drake is a West Bank colonizer or a culture vulture. Or a West Atlanta colonizer. Yeah, or a West Atlanta colonizer. Uh, we got to talk about Tom York's, uh, reply. Um, I, I need to start this out by talking about something that happened with a different band. Um, the band Imagine Dragons, uh, which is a band that exists, whether I like it or not. Um, they have been, uh, they, recently a video came out of

them doing a performance in which they unfurled a Palestinian flag. And when I saw this, my first reaction, which I immediately took to Twitter, was, oh my fucking God, now radio had, has been lapped by Imagine Fucking Dragons. And Dave Matthews band to boot. I mean, Dave Matthews band. I mean, there's a few, and McElmore. I mean, there's, there's. Mid is the new base i mean what's the fuck is going on yes and it was uh just one of those things where i i have been for a while now trying not trying to do anything other than complain but like you know waiting and hoping that maybe tom york would change would like speak out about it uh because it is something that he has historically uh done you know he has

spoken about politics and I was sitting there waiting for it and it still hadn't happened so I did this tweet it went viral as well way like biggest tweet I've ever had and then not a day later Tom York put out his statement now obviously I don't know whether or not he saw the tweet as the saying goes just because you tweet it doesn't mean he's aware and but the question remains, is this, is this my fault? Did I do this, Pantano? Do you think I did it? How viral did the tweet go? Like four, four million views and it was like a lots of retweets and shit. Do you think is this, you can say it's not my fault? You know, I'm, I'm going to say yes. You know, I feel like, you know, I feel like this is all you.

I think I think no I mean you know to own it you know own it I think uh it's you know how disappointing it is I've loved Radiohead for way too long for this to be how it ends before we read the statement can I just ask you about your history with this band are you are you a fan of the music of Radiohead um yeah I mean I like Radiohead's music I've never been the biggest fan of the band, you know, ever, ever, ever in the world, you know, I think they make a great songs. I think they have classic records. Some of my favorite rock records of all time are radio head albums, but I mean, you know, I feel like when I originally came into the band, um, there, they were, they were, maybe I wasn't as enamored with sort of how, or sort of, you know,

as deep into the perspective that this is like, you know, the deepest, most profound, most mind-blowing band of all time. Because I was already on to sort of like comparatively weirder stuff, you know, but like, you know, kind of came back around after, you know, sort of a very, I guess I would say, like, pretentious stint in college where I just like wasn't, uh, uh, sort of deep into the tank for radio head and kind of came back around when in rainbows came out. I was like, okay, well, this is like just one of their best albums ever, you know, um, which, you know, caused me to sort of like, uh, jump back on the radio head team

a bit. Um, but, uh, you know, with, with that being said, like, I still think they're a great amazing band. I've covered their music multiple times. And I always look forward to it every time they have a new record out. I've even covered Tom York's solo stuff and, uh, the smile albums. that he's been dropping that I've that I've been enjoying, you know, most of. And, you know, being, um, someone who came of age during the Iraq war, uh, you know, very, very vividly remember radiohead being one of the few bands who were out there who were kind of like willing to take a stand and say something significant, um, during a time when there was just like a lot of hostility toward anybody who would like, you know,

dare question the war on terror and you know everything along those lines um so you know yeah i mean radio heads a band that for a long time i've you know had a lot of respect for even if they haven't been one of my favorites musically at least socially because like they were willing to say something when a lot of artists weren't right or were uh afraid of getting like kind of lambasted uh if they if they did so right um so uh it was kind of like you know even even if like I wasn't necessarily taking it personally as a disappointment like oh Tom why would you I had so much faith in you um when I first saw like a lot of fans kind of urging them to say something and they just like weren't coming through and doing so it's still to me read like a bit of an inconsistency because like you know aren't you guys kind of the hail to the thief band you know yeah like you guys did kind of like base a bit of an album cycle around this and build your identity around this a little bit and I mean this isn't like some kind of of I mean, the whole war on terror is obviously like so deeply ingrained politically into the whole like Middle Eastern Western imperialism meta, you know, and to sort of like take issue with that as an artist, but then not sort of be able to understand the context of how Israel ties into that, to me just seems like really weird. It seems like you're very much like cherry picking, like in the most obvious way.

Johnny Greenwood lives there, am I right? Johnny Greenwood is actually located there now. As far as I know, he at the very least is one of the places that he lives is in Israel. And he's been very recently making a lot of solo music outside of Radiohead with various Israeli Arab and Israeli Jewish artists. And I think he recently had one of his shows get canceled at a festival because of that. And he also released a statement regarding, you know, sort of his anti-BDS feelings about it. But yes, Tom has, I think at this point, made it very clear, if not explicitly, at least implicitly, that this is an issue he doesn't want to touch because he doesn't want to fuck with um the band uh or at least that's kind of how i viewed it as like it's too

awkward for me to make this an issue that we care about which is like a level of like cowardice that i'm like come on man like you've known johnny since high school can't you just talk to him about about it and i happen i happen to know how i spent a bit of time with ed o'brien a couple of years ago, not to put him on, you know, on Front Street, but like, I know that it's not, the band is not entirely unanimous on all this stuff. Of course. Yeah. Um, but I think the issue that we are taking or that we're going to, you know, what we're going to dive into here is not so much the long silence, but how he broke the silence. Yes. It's the same thing with like when Brunay Brown in the self-help world was silent for the first four months or whatever.

And then she put out this mealy-mouthed, both-sidesy statement. I went to YouTube and made a long video that actually went quite viral as well. And what I was taken to task for was not, you know, why didn't you go online right away and professes? But if you're going to break your silence with this, you think you're being neutral. You think you're honoring all human beings. And here's what's completely wrong and backward about that assumption. And, you know, Anthony, I saw you already put out a video with you're responding to this entire screed from from tom york saying in your own way rather similar things i think yeah and uh we'll we'll be asking you to uh you know repeat some of that uh here for our listeners but just to read the posts the posts that

there's i'm going to give it a 50 50 chance that i may have accidentally made him do are you going to do the accent man i can't do the accent i uh at this point it's too many he's too many slides i can't be oh some god sharing it me from the dark i if like my voice will i'll lose it um so i'll just do it in my normal voice some guy shouting at me from the dark last year when i was picking up a guitar to sing the final song alone in front of nine thousand people in melbourne didn't really seem like the best moment to discuss the unfolding humanitarian catastrophe in Gaza. Afterwards, I remained in shock that my supposed silence was somehow being taken as complicity, and I struggled to find an adequate way to respond to this and to carry on with

the rest of the shows on the tour. That silence, my attempt to show respect for all those who are suffering and those who have died, and not to trivialize it in a few words, has allowed other opportunistic groups to use intimidation and defamation to fill in the blanks, and I regret giving them this chance. This has had a heavy toll on my mental health. The notoriously cheerful and mentally stable Tom York has suddenly been plunged into a glum depression. Now I'm depressed for the first time in my life. Also, I just want to say, he's hit sadness for the first time. Yeah. I don't know what his feeling is. I used to be let down and jumping around for joy. He used to be such

Such a chipper. Yeah. Well, the original lyrics. Original lyrics to let down was called Happy Town. Happy Town. Get down. Get down. Jumping around.

I just, him saying, you know, like, that his, he, he is silence was, you know, taken out of context. It's like, he talks about his silence as like a way to show respect for all those who are suffering. I truly don't understand that sentiment. It's like I think he's mixing the idea of taking a moment of silence and the idea of silence being somehow respectful. Everyone, everyone, everyone, please.

In honor of all the people suffering in Gaza right now and in Israel, allegedly, however, they happen to be suffering to, we will now take a century of silence. Yes. Let's begin now. Can we take a 20-month moment of silence, please, for all the victims suffering and who will be suffering during those 20 months? Yeah. A moment of silence that will allow the suffering to continue?

I know. So he says, I would hope that for anyone who has ever listened to a note of my music, my band or any of the music I've created over the years or looked at any of the artwork or any of the lyrics, it would be self-evident that I could not possibly support any form of extremism or dehumanism. of others. All I see in a lifetime's worth of work with my fellow musicians and artists is a pushing against such things, trying to create work that goes beyond what it means to be controlled, coerced, threatened, to suffer, to be intimidated, and instead to encourage critical thinking beyond borders, the commonality of love and experience and free creative expression. Sounds... He's anti-borders now? yeah like wait okay so we're he's an anarchist like what i don't i don't know uh sounds naff but true

i guess the hell is naff who knows some english thing um it's like sometimes you forget that he's like an oxford boy yeah and then he'll say sounds nap i agree with him it sounds positively downright naft sounds totally naft totally knackard that means tired i don't know british shit um For others, let me fill in the blanks now, so we're nice and clear. I think Netanyahu and his crew of extremists are totally out of control and need to be stopped and that the international community should put all the pressure it can on them to cease. Cease what? And also, are you, the international, you're part of the international community.

What is pressure other than the pressure of people in communities internationally? Well, look, to be fair, I think his. naming the culprits as Netanyahu is a political statement and that it's a statement of support and complete lockstep solidarity with Bernie Sanders because that's the only term Bernie will use to refer to the culprits. And also every sort of like liberal, liberal Zionist talking point is like, yes, Netanyahu is out of control. And it's like not that people don't agree with that, but it's like at this point, if your critique of this situation is prime minister is bad, I just don't believe it

I don't believe that Tom is sitting there going like oh I don't know much about this and that'll become perfectly clear in these next few slides well because of course also one of the liberal Zionist talking points is we were so close to overthrowing this in Yahoo and the crew of extremists

in September and October of that month we were protesting we were you know and we would have succeeded too if it weren't for those blasted Hamasnics yes yes oh damn October 7th never mind So the big slide here and the one that's being shared the most is while our lives tick along as normal, these endless thousands of innocent human souls are still being expelled from the earth. For what? At the same time, the unquestioning free Palestine refrain that surrounds us all does not answer the simple question of why the hostages have still not all been returned. For what possible reason? For what possible reason? Why did Hamas choose the truly horrific acts of October 7th?

The answer seems obvious, and I believe Hamas chooses to hide behind the suffering of its people in an equally cynical fashion for their own purposes. So, I mean, this is the part where if it had ended, you know, a slide earlier, I would have been like, it seems like kind of like, you know, a weak wishy-washy statement where he refuses to call this what it is, which is a genocide. He refuses to call it what it is an ethnic cleansing. He refuses to take any ownership or to point a critical eye at those who support a regime that would allow this to happen. Instead, it's just kind of this like, oh, what are we going to do? But I think I would have just been like normal disappointed. This idea of the unquestioning

free Palestine refrain, as if, as if there's a question here that can be answered in a way that doesn't sound completely psychopathic. Free Palestine means free Palestine. Am I crazy, Anthony? Does free Palestine, should we be questioning the refrain pre-Palestine more so than we are doing? You tell me. It sounds like he thinks the free Palestine people should be asking questions and What questions do they need to be asking? Well, and it seems like the questions he wants them to ask are how come the hostages have not been returned, which is a question. Free, free Palestine, but not until we understand why the hostages have not been returned seems pretty cynical to me. That's a great chance.

I mean, it's catchy. I'm down. I like it. I'll lead it at the next thing. Phil can do some drums. But I mean, and, well, I mean, you guys are probably already. talked about this multiple times on the podcast. But I mean, if you've been following this issue closely, you already know that the people in Palestine and Hamas have made multiple attempts

to go to the negotiating table and get some kind of exchange for the hostages in terms of, you know, either ownership of their land or just a pullout. Yes, a pullout, a ceasefire, something. And by the way, they went to the negotiation, they wanted to go to the negotiating table before October 7th, too. That's what's never reported on. Right, exactly. Has indicated willingness to negotiate along all kinds of internationally recognized lines for years. And it also ignores the fact that while they're not politically necessarily interpreted as hostages per se, but Israel has tons of Palestinian prisoners in their prisons who they haven't charged, have not seen trial.

But again, they're not considered to be. hostages. They're just in the prison system and because they're a legitimized nation and, you know, they have all of the sort of benefits and aid of a first world country. It's just sort of perceived as like totally legal and fine and above board. Yes. So, you know, we have talked about it. You know, it's administrative detention. Anyone in any of the occupied territories is not subject to civil law. They are subject to military law, which is arbitrary and based on. on what, you know, individual, like, military commanders say is the law. They can hold you for no reason. This is why it is categorized by every single human rights group in the fucking world as an apartheid state. This is why, this is why. And what's worse about it is, like, in terms of like, okay, if you want to, like,

parse the meaning of the word hostage and say, well, it doesn't count, you know, because they may be held, you know, extradite. judiciously, but they're not there for the reason of hostage exchange. The truth of it is is that, first of all, yes, they are. And second of all, after October 7th, they started ramping up the administrative detention arrests they were doing in the West Bank, specifically for the reason to have more Palestinians to use in trades for any possible diplomatic solution to to, you know, the hostage issue. And like, so literally, they did take hostages.

They did literally, figuratively, all of that shit. So the idea that Tom York is sitting here going, like, you guys need to question why the hostages haven't been returned, as if we haven't all been openly discussing this for 20 goddamn months, dog. It's just like one of those things where at this point, I'm like, I just flat out refuse to believe he doesn't know the answers to these questions, but that this was the answer he is the most comfortable with of like, oh, well, you know, the reason is because Hamas is evil, because freeing Palestine is a dog whistle for, you know,

destroying the Jews or whatnot. And he doesn't want to question it further. And it's so disappointing. I do want to say that the best lyric of all time featuring the word hostage, I'm going to say, is Busta Rhymes from Everything Remains Raw, I think 1995 from his debut The Coming, when he says, I will endanger your species like an ostrich, hold you hostage, and crazy feed you swine sausage. That is very good.

I enjoyed that line. You know, Busta had bars. People forget. He had bars, yeah. Before he roared it up, I was a big fan. Yeah, yeah. But yes, he then goes on to talk about social media witch hunts. nothing new on either

side pressuring artists and whoever burn the witch isn't that the witch hunt I do like that track it's a great song I've been yelling at him to record it for years

and then he did and now That's on moon-shaped pool right? Yes it is yes as well as true love waits he finally put down on wax so social media witch hunts pressuring whoever they feel like that week

to make statements, et cetera, do very little except heighten the tension, fear, and oversimplification of what are complex problems that merit proper face-to-face debate by people who genuinely wish the killing to stop and an understanding to be found.

This kind of deliberate polarization I think we should stop there for one second just because even in my own video, I just thought that was a hilarious line because I was thinking like, when are we holding this debate when is this debate being held who's getting engaged in the debate who's volunteering for it is tom wait's getting tom tom tom you're getting involved or is tom wait's

sure i was thinking of tom waits because he said true love waits yeah i was going to say you know who else waits tom right right but like when is the debate happening is there going to be like you know a net and yahoo versus whoever else we put up their debate and is that going to end at all is do we just need a few face-to-face debates to happen and then so this will all just sort of be open and shut. Right. And moderated by Pierce Morgan, I'm sure. Right.

Yeah. It'll be on his show. It'll be on prime time. Yes. And what's worse is that like this idea of like, oh, you know, these things are things that should be happening, these discussions should be happening face to face and, you know, by implication, in private, with people who you trust. And it's like, I don't know how you can sit there and think this is.

the moral position to have. Like, this is the position that you have. What, what if you had had this position during the war on terror? Like, guys, you know, there's a lot of complex issues going around in terms of whether or not we should invade Iraq, you know, what we should be having is face-to-face discussions. I mean, think about how quickly the war in Vietnam or slavery could have ended if instead there was a nationwide whisper campaign.

There's people going back and forth like, you know, it's really fucked up. This whole slavery thing's pretty bad. Someone should do something. I'm not totally convinced, but maybe we could meet for, maybe we could meet for drinks next week and you could calmly explain your position to me. I was going to be against slavery, but then Roger Waters wrote an email I didn't like. And so now I think I'm just going to kind of let it happen. I think that's fine. You know, that's kind of another, and maybe we'll get into this more by the,

time you're done. Yes. Reading all of this. But, like, I, I, I, what, one thing that, like, has kind of struck me since I've done my video about this and, and now that you're reading it again is, like, so much of it feels like it's coming from this place of, like, I'm just going to dig my heels in. Yes. I'm just going to be pissed off about it because you told me what to do. Yes. And it has nothing to do with him feeling any particular way about anything. It just, it just comes from this incense feeling of like, I don't want to be told what to do. do. Yes. I don't want to be told what to say and just, you know, and I'm going to just

act staunchly in opposition to what I'm being told to do just because I'm being told to do it, not on the principle of what it stands for or the severity of the situation. It just seems like so. Yes. It seems so self-absorbed. It doesn't seem like it has anything to do. I mean, even if like, even if I was like it of the position, you know, that Israel is completely in the right with everything that they're doing, I wouldn't come away from this feeling like, oh, yeah, Tom really cares about the well-being of the Israeli people and the way I see things over here. He doesn't seem like he gives a fuck about any of it. It just sort of seems like, I don't want to be, I don't want to hear about anything that I don't

want to already say or think. Yes. And the worst part of it is, uh, just the last thing I'll read from this long, screed, whiny ass creed is he, uh, in the seventh frame, he goes, I sympathize completely with the desire to, quote, do something when we are witnessing such horrific suffering on our devices. But I now- It completely makes sense, he says. I now think it is a dangerous illusion to believe that reposting or, you know, one or two messages are meaningful, especially if it's to condemn your fellow human beings.

There are unintended consequences. I'm sorry. That's why Roger Waters posts 20-minute videos every two days. That's why people dedicate themselves to speaking up. I mean, if you don't want to speak up, fine. But don't act like the only kind of advocacy is perfunctory, you know, performative, expedient and ultimately disposable virtue signaling. Because there actually is a different kind of using your voice and using your platform

that's possible if you have the courage and the moral will to do it and if your conscience drives you to do it. I feel like this is a bit of a, I don't know, not to get like, generational about it, but I feel like this is a bit of a Gen X thing, just the perception that any and all sort of like,

it's okay. Well, I mean, you know, you're one of the good ones. And, you know, and there are many. But like, I've heard simultaneously from a lot of Gen Xers who just sort of seem to be jaded. You know, I think you just reach a, it's, I don't even think it's a Gen X thing as much as you just reach a certain age. And there are some people who stay passionate and stay hopeful and stay engaged. And there are some people who just get really jaded and they're like, nothing means anything. And it doesn't really matter what you do or what you say. Everything is just going to play out the way it's going to play out, whether I want it to or not. So don't annoy me into standing for anything because it's, it's all just going to be whatever at the end of the day. or yeah teenage angst has paid off well and some of us are bored and old right right and so so I think he's kind of like succumb to that mindset where it's like it's a bit of nihilism yeah it's like it doesn't matter anyway and he's just being very cynical about it and when he sees other people engaging in it because they're actually passionate and they actually believe in something he's like oh well you're just being annoying and yeah doing a social media witch hunt and and you know just just being dismissive about it's just dismissive right and it's so annoying because it comes from this place of judgment of those who are doing what he considers to be merely symbolic acts of solidarity,

which is like, I think a critique that can be levied, but only by someone who is doing something. You can't do nothing. You can't criticize the idea of doing something. I sympathize with the wanting to do something. He put that in quotes. I can only imagine is that under a freaking video of his someone said, Tom, could you please do something?

And he immediately spun out like, oh, do what? Like, unfurl a Palestinian flag? Like Imagine Dragons? Fuck them. And fuck Imagine Dragon. It's like this is such a weak, like, it's a weak statement, but it's also a weak-minded critique. It like comes from a place of just like,

don't bother me, you know, and not only is it nihilism, but it's just pure reactionary like in its, it's like dictionary definition form, like, do you think he's on a Morrissey track? Do you think he's on, do you think it's on like a John Lydden Morrissey like plot arc where he's going to, I mean, I don't know about that. I mean, like as as boneheaded as Morrissey is what he's, the things he says actually comes from a place of passion. Yeah, I think, I think, I think Tom York is just self-interested and apathetic. Yes, I think that's right.

I think that's, like, Morrissey actually believes the dumb stuff that he says. Right. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Which is like, you know, at least he gets credit for that level of like human interaction, I guess. Like that he's at least, believes in something outside of himself for a second, even if it's the wrong thing. Like that, and I'm sorry, but like, that's also what like being uh more than just like a self-involved narcissistic rock star means and this has been the pedestal that he's been on for so long with you know tom york that he i he spends most of that thing just saying i figured you guys knew by now if you've listened to any of my music that of course i am good and it's like yeah but that's what i thought too until you decided

to be completely silent about a genocide. It's strange. We're not great. Like I said in my video, like I and many other people had that we all agree. We all had the same read, which is why there was an expectation that you might want to say something. Yes. Well, and speaking of listening to his music closely, maybe just to close this segment, Anthony, we were wondering if you would just take a gander at some of our attempts that Radiohead lyric plays on words and puns around this topic.

and you get to choose, do you want to tier them or do you want to rate them out of 10? I guess we could try a 10 rating. Let's do it. Hell yeah. So you want you to be honest, you know? If you feel in a light six, say so. If it's a strong eight, let us know.

If it's a zero, we'll take it. Some of these come from us. Some of these come from listeners and followers. But here we go. Matt, you want to start us off? Okay. Two plus two equals five, unironically. all right

go ahead Daniel oh yeah that one's a seven okay all right that one's cute it's cute all right my iron dome

okay we could do that one's like an eight that's good all right let's see weird misses arpegy it's like a five

I don't like that we have to rate them but you do it you know what I can handle it I can handle it exit music for a fan base. Oh, fuck.

I had that. Okay, that one's a seven, too. Yeah, that was pretty good. Mine was exit music for a band I once respected, but that's, yours is better. Um, okay, uh, instead of true love weights, I wrote, boo, bruv hates. Okay, that's like a three. That's like, yeah. Um, fitter, happier and more reductive.

Oh, okay. that's a little it's a little bit more cerebral but right yeah no it's true that yeah that one that one's like a six that one's decent okay okay okay thank you um all right oh what I'm shit oh mixed message is

uh metosis all right this is god damn it that's a deep that's a deep cut that doesn't cut that deep yeah let's let's say that one's like a four alright my last one fake drastic please That was not hitting for me

Okay, I'm still in the game Yeah, yeah, I suppose a little bit Okay, all right My last one Oh God, this sucks All right, it is the song I will It's I will, it is no dream So that's a quote

That's a Hertzl reference From Herzl, I will, if If you will, it is no dream. Anthony, not everything we do can be a 10 out of 10. Yeah, no, it's true. That's true. I also have where I end and I dig in.

Huh? Okay. All right. Someone on my Instagram said, and I like this just for the absurdity of it, paranoid apartoid. Yeah, that's cute. Okay, that's like a nine.

That's like nine. All right. So the Instagram guy. We are lapped by one of our Instagram followers. It was excellent. Ooh, yeah. Anyways, it is, it is all incredibly annoying. It is all incredibly disappointing.

And I appreciate you, Anthony, for doing a video about it and talking about it because I've seen the, you know, the mean comments about it where people are, they're mad at you for hating their best boys radio head. And I, I guess, there were a lot of those. Also, did anybody say kid apartheid? Did anyone say that? Someone did. Yeah. Someone did. Okay. Good. Good. Good. That's very good. And amnesia extends by itself. Yeah. There's a bunch of ones that are just straight up like life in a glass house. Matt, Matt, your best one. You didn't say it. What was it? How to disappoint completely. Oh. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's very strong. That one's like an eight. Yeah. No, that one's good. Yeah. Yeah. There's a bunch. I mean, literally, there's just song titles that work. Let down. Yeah. Let down. Let down. life in a glass house you know dollars and cents dollars and centress really and fade out yeah fade

out um anyways i uh i do appreciate uh you talking about it and i appreciate you talking to us about about this whole thing it's uh it's been really cool getting to to talk to you and uh again i do really appreciate you being someone who is not in the like explicitly in the politics space and being someone who's going to stand on principle, especially given all of the retribution from the music industry for artists who have, you know, said literally anything about Palestine. Yeah, it's nice to, you know, to see someone who is not, who's going to support those artists, you know, like, including McElmore, you did a whole video on how it was unfair how macklemore was being attacked for saying he hated america yeah and and look i mean um

uh i feel like i am in a unique position because i sort of climbed the ladder to where i am independently so it's like i'm not necessarily beholden to anybody per se when it comes to speaking out about something like this that's not the same thing for a lot of artists and i um you know sympathize with a lot of creators out there who may want to say something but don't or won't because they're afraid of some kind of repercussions. You know, I'm not of the opinion that like every single artist who's out there who's seeing this needs to say something. I feel like that's not even necessarily entirely necessary in an age where like this has just caught on so much like wildfire over social media that there's more awareness of it than ever like, you know, what more awareness is going to be brought to it by Tom York saying something, you know, at this point. Yeah. Um, you know, you know, like the the biggest kind of takeaway for me from the statement that he posted and I said this in my video. I'll say it again. It's like, why did you even say anything? Yeah. What are, what are you even clarifying here? You know, it's like I feel like at this point, you should

have just continued saying nothing. Yeah. Yeah. Like I feel like that would have been a greater benefit to you than coming out there and putting out whatever the heck this is. Yeah. You know, um, 100%. To me, up until this point, you know, or since October 7th, the artist who, you know, who I felt more most passionately about, you know, saying something in a vast majority of that I can think of off the top of my head that kind of fit this bill have are, you know, the ones who up until this point have like really made a name for themselves like, you know, building a brand on we address social issues in our music. That's our whole thing. We're a social issues kind of band. And, you know, we're kind of artist. And, you know, to be

that sort of artist and build your whole world around that. And then, you know, when we reach this moment in time and you say nothing whatsoever, that that's kind of disappointing. You know, that's kind of like, well, you know, what's what's going on? Like, I mean, you know, I don't think I or anybody who reasonably cares about you and your music is expecting you to come out here and with, you know, one single statement, save the world and change the whole thing. But like, it's, it's kind of odd for you to be the person who's like, yeah, I'm aware. I'm aware. I'm aware. I'm aware. I'm aware. And, you know, You know, and then when this pops up, you're like, oh, actually, what is this? I don't know. I'm woke. I'm woke. I sleep. I'm asleep. I sleep.

I'm sleepy. Go to sleep. All the more, all the more when you contrast it with groups that, I mean, I don't know massive attacks history of political statements, but they didn't have to, based on their reputation, come out and say anything. Yeah. No. But they did.

Right. Yeah. And Dave Matthews band, sure as hell, didn't make, Dave Matthews didn't have to come out and say anything. Yeah. Yeah, my opinion on Dave Matthews band was not going to change over the next several years, whether or not Dave came out and said anything. Right, right. You know, and like when Imagine Dragons originally came out and we're kind of like, yeah, we're kind of ambivalent when it comes to the topic of playing in Israel.

I was like, I mean, okay, that's kind of them, though. You know, I'm not really surprised that Imagine Dragons wouldn't really care. Right. I'm more surprised by and impressed by kind of the turnaround of them being like, actually, this does seem to be like a really serious issue. we're going to you know at least show some sympathy for it yeah um you know that to me says like wow you know this band that everybody shits on actually has like some character right and it's also like if it is something that you do agree is uh you know Tom York doesn't say it's a genocide or ethnic cleansing but he talks about it being you know sort of a moral and humanitarian catastrophe

if it is something that you if that's what you think then at the very least looking at Imagine dragons, you know, waving a Palestinian flag, as symbolic as it might be, you can at least understand, like, well, that sounds like it's good for the morale of the people who are fighting against this apartheid regime, are fighting against, you know. Yeah, exactly. And I feel like if you had, you know, a heart in your chest, that's sort of the conclusion that you would come to, regardless of the immediate, you know, sort of an outcome of making such a

statement. You know, it's like, you know, the only way in which, you know, you would prevent yourself from getting there is if again, you were like completely cynical.

Yes. And you were like, none of it fucking matters anyway. Yeah. Everybody's bad and everybody's just as bad as each other. Yeah. And both sides are terrible and I'm just above the fray. Yes.

And I think all of it's bad and I don't endorse any of it, which like, I just feel like that's a cop-out. That's kind of like a cop-out. We live in a world of shades of gray, you know, and that's just like a cop-out. Yeah, completely. And, you know, it's hard to not look at that statement

and kind of reframe most of the music that I've enjoyed as, like, being sort of as shallow as, you know, as that statement. Well, and Matt, I think as, I think as fans, there's something for the pop pop culture fan to own, at least in my psyche, which is, sure, I want Tom York or someone like that to make a statement because I think it'll make a difference. But also, I want Tom York to make a statement

so I can continue telling myself that my parisocial connection with Tom York and his music is super valid and important. It's based on something. You know what I'm saying? That it's the right thing to do to listen to radio help. So I can continue to feel good and associate good feelings.

feelings of all the memories I have, all the drives I took listening to OK computer or whatever. And, you know, on a certain level, Tom York does not owe me that. He may owe the world something, you know, along the lines of what Anthony was just talking about. But he certainly does not owe us a continued fantasy about what we mean to him. But this parasycial relationship that I was, you know, fantasizing about has now been completely invalidated as the real parasycial relationship I have with Tom York is being the guy who made him do the statement. And that fucking sucks.

I just wanted, oh God, I just wanted to be good. Well, Anthony, thank you for coming on and talking with us. We really appreciate it and really appreciate your work, and we think you do great. And I'll let you know when Daniel found out that you were down to come on, he texted Mellon, and I don't know what that means, but he assured me that he meant it with respect. yeah you know watermelon's a Palestinian thing there we go hell yeah exactly it's related got it got it got it's what it is

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I'm not particularly impressed by someone making a video about my grandmother. You do not know her. You don't know her. Yeah, check out his work, Anthony. Again, thank you so much. Thank you, guys. Thanks, man. And thank all of you out there for listening to another episode of Bad Hasbara.

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