Bad Hasbara - The World's Most Moral Podcast - 125: You're Unhasbaraiable, with Lukas Arnold

Episode Date: July 17, 2025

Matt and Daniel are joined by comedian Lukas Arnold to talk over the post-clobbering attempts to reset the NYC mayoral race by Adams and Cuomo, advice on shifting the conversation from genocide to orange juice, and a hasbarist seemingly robbed of her sense of smell by a career spent shoveling bullshit.Please donate to Gaza City Flour Fund: http://bit.ly/gazaflourfundUse promo code MOSTMORAL at CBDistillery.com for 25% off your purchase. Specific product availability depends on individual state regulations.Find Lukas at https://www.instagram.com/lukastarnoldGet in touch with him at https://beacons.ai/lukastarnoldSee Francesca Fiorentini and Matt Lieb!Friday August 1st - Francesca and Matt will be at Laughs Comedy Club in Seattle. Tickets here: https://bit.ly/4kFt1xESaturday August 2nd - The Bitchuation Room LIVE in Seattle. Tickets here: https://bit.ly/4khBhnKAugust 28 in Houston, TX: https://bit.ly/mattfranhtxSubscribe to the Patreon https://www.patreon.com/badhasbaraWhat’s The Spin playlist: https://spoti.fi/4kjO9tLSubscribe/listen to Bad Hasbara wherever you get your podcasts.Spotify https://spoti.fi/3HgpxDmApple Podcasts https://apple.co/4kizajtSupport this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/bad-hasbara/donationsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

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Like this droid is constantly being crestfallen. Are you talking about K2SO? I'm talking about B2 Emo. B, yeah, no, yeah, B is very sad. I waited, I waited for you. Yeah, they're like, what if a droid was just that dog in that one episode of Futurama that's just waiting for, I don't know if you watch Futurama, but listen, I'm going to do a pull.

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downward um and before we continue on with all this i have a very exciting plug daniel this is the most exciting really i usually tune out for the plug so i'm going to tune in yeah no this is the one you're going to want to hear uh daniel and adam producer adam shout out to producer adam by the way on the ones and twos uh myself daniel and producer adam are going to be doing our first official live shows that's right we're doing live bad has barra and where are we going to start of course new york city it's happening baby it's happening after months and months of talking to venues and having them uh uh ghost us and not want to uh you know talk talk to us what's your podcast called yeah sorry this this is a veterinarian's office yeah yeah yeah yeah you got the wrong place you got the wrong

sorry this is uh bye bye yeah um finally a venue has taken us uh on october 10th and 11th in brooklyn at the gutter we're going to be doing uh our first ever uh bad hasbara live shows that's right the gutter what is the gutter it's a bowling alley but it's a bowling alley that has a venue attached to it uh and it's a it's a small venue and so you know this is going to to be our obviously our first run of shows so we're going to do them and you know have fun work out some kinks see what we're doing who knows what we're doing no kink shaming as we do yes so please do not shame us for the kinks we're going to be working out um and guess what tickets will go on sale first for patreon members this friday that's july 18th uh and then very quickly after that to everyone

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Francesca Fiorentini and Friends. We, you know, that's a few nights later, right? Yeah, like I think a couple nights later, maybe like one night later. It's, it's, uh, and we'll have that information. We'll get you the dates. So that'll be in the thing.

It'll also be in the description. I should have prepped that. But the point is, is that you can see stand-up. at that show but go to gutter see us do live bad has borrow it's going to be so great uh once again seattle come to seattle august first and second i will be there jessica will be there it's going to be super fun in the description come to houston august 28th my wife myself punchline houston ah there we go so today our episode is brought to you by gaza city flower fund The Gaza City Flower Fund is raising money to feed up to 250 families in and near Gaza City

with two kilogram sacks of flour purchased at disaster premium prices and given directly to hungry families. This is an incredibly important charity and it's one in which if you have any money and you are budgeting it for expenditures, I would suggest giving your money to Gaza City flower fund first and foremost before anything else for tickets to lock. live events before Patreon, put your money there where it'll actually go to good use rather than just to a bowling alley that we're going to perform at. So please donate Gaza City Flower Fund. Daniel. Homie. What's this man? Well, I told you about that Edmonton record store I went to

and I'm visiting my folks up on a BC Gulf Island right now and I flew up here in a sea plane yesterday. I did not bring my records of me, but I took pictures of them. This is a little selection of records. I got based just on the cover alone. It's from the world music section, like Africa, Asia, Middle East. Starting with this guy, Omar Horshid, giant and guitar, which is an Egyptian guitar player.

This is from the mid-70s, 1974. It's a really good album. You can see him. He's got his guitar. He's on his motorbike. He's making it through the streets of Cairo. Yeah, it doesn't look giant to me. He kind of, I mean, he looks like in regular.

size guy, unless it's a really big bike, but I definitely see a guitar. Yeah. I love it. I think he's probably more of a proverbial giant of the art form. Yes, a music giant. This guy stared out at me from the rack, and I had to pick him up. Simigua. Guido be amboli from Ghana, high life record, really cool music.

Nice. This guy is the dopest. This guy's looking super cool. Oh, look at this. Dr.C. El Abasi, who is a Rai practitioner from Tunisia, I believe. He's a what practitioner? Rai. It's a style of music from, is it Tunisia or Algeria?

I might be getting it wrong. I think it's Tunisia. All right. But a lot of revolutionary lyrics, anti-colonial stuff, some wah-wah guitar. Very cool. And he's hot as shit. Isn't he cool? He just look at him.

God damn. See, I always try to have a mustache. like that, but I can't, mine goes, it's wispy, his is thick like yours. Very Miami vice-coded. Yeah, 100%. He looks like, he looks like he's going to find the cocaine. Yeah, yeah, you call him Tamer Seleck, Selik. And then we got Okute from, Okuta from Cuba.

And again, this record, you know, this album was just too cool looking. I had to pick it up. And all I listened to all of them, and they all are just, full of excellent cool music and some of it's on Spotify so maybe it'll show up on their what's the spin playlist that someone is still i know still updating maintaining and updating yeah every every week they put it up uh some some new albums on that on that their playlist so a shout out to whoever's doing that and uh those look like good records i love them i love it pretty exciting and my sampler's excited too because there's all kinds of cool

moments i'm grabbing i can't listen to music anymore now that i have a everything i'm listening to sounds like a grab bag of things i can steal and manipulate. To what ends, Daniel? I don't know. It's imperialism. Don't. I love that.

You're doing, yeah, it's a version of imperialism where you're just like, I'm doing cultural appropriation, but just a little section at a time. Yeah, and I'm going to, exactly, I'll turn it inside out, I'll change the key. Yeah, exactly. You won't even recognize it by the time I'm done with your culture? Yeah, exactly. I'll make it better and more civilized. I'll put it in a blender.

Yeah, exactly. Daniel remixing the elgin marbles. I don't know, man. Do you get that reference? No, I didn't get that reference. No, it's all right. I think when Adam drops the reference, we don't get it. We know it's time to move on to our guest.

It's true. Maybe that's his way of doing it. I also like that we both kind of looked at it like dogs hearing their master's voice through a voice message machine. It just, oh? Ain't that daddy? So that is a good point. Adam, we should move on to finally introducing our guests.

We have a great guest this week. He is a comedian out of New York City, and we're very excited to introduce him and have him here in the bad, Hasbarra family. Ladies and gentlemen, everyone else, please welcome to the podcast, Lucas Arnold. Hello, how are you guys doing? We're doing well. How are you doing, dog? I'm doing great.

It's crazy you don't know what the Elgin Marbles are. That's really disappointing. Oh, there we go. He's got it. Explain. This is bad Hasbara. Yes. Hasbara means explanation. So go ahead. Hasbara. Please, Hasbier. Hasbier. Yeah, I wasn't able to back it up. I just really wanted to get on a high list, you know. I think they're Greek. I think they're Greek. That sounds right to me. Elgin could be. Yeah. Yeah. I know that there are, I know that there are a set of marbles in the British Museum that it's a debated topic whether they should be return to Greece. I'm aware of that.

Ah, well, looks as I'm getting confirmation in the private chat from Adam. Yes. Stolen from Greece. Look at that. Someone, well, marbles. Wow. That's horrible. That's good. Oh, buckle up. Welcome to. This is nothing but puns. Great.

Adam gave you a three out of ten. He's just, that wasn't even a pun. Yeah, he's at, no, that was just an appropriate phrase. Yes. Just, yeah. That was, that word reminds me of an idiom. Yeah, exactly. This is what people with schizophrenia do. Welcome to the podcast, Lucas.

So excited to have you. You are a comedian out there in New York City. Yes. The gutter. The big smoke. Yes, I, I performed at the gutter a good few times, yeah. Okay. It's a great place.

It's a fantastic performance venue. I don't know how it's going to be, like, you're doing a live version of the podcast on stage. Is that? I'm sure. it's going to go great. I've only, I'm only familiar with it as a stand-up venue. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But, you know, it's just, it's like stand-up, but with more chairs. Yeah, and a lot less vibrancy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It'll be great. You're going to do amazing. It'll be great. Listen, everyone, you'll hear it here first. The gutter is great.

It won't be stand-up comedy so much as sit-down whimsy. Yeah, yeah, sit-down whimsy. That's a perfect distillation of a podcast. They should call it that. Sit down whimsy, yeah. I do sit down. Yeah, yeah. I do sit down. Funny? No, whimsical.

Make you think. I've been doing sit down like five years or so. Yeah, yeah. Closed mic. He's a sit down. Oh, how long you've been doing sit down? Lucas. Yeah.

Can you hear the bowling balls hitting the thing? No, you can. Okay, good. That's great. So far apart. So far apart. It's wild how much one place has Because it's really like bowling alley

Very standard bar And then pretty good performance venue And it's all in one connected space It is I never really thought about how much Square footage they have But it's really a lot that they do Go to the gutter, it's a good place

Yeah especially in Brooklyn I mean everything's so close together out there And it's not far from Brooklyn Bowl Which has a similar setup But it's much larger You are right. You are absolutely right. Brooklyn Bowl, I actually did a, it was a Zoron fundraising event that I performed stand-up at. You're telling me that there's another bowling alley venue nearby. Oh, yeah, much larger. I saw Fishbone and Living Color there. I performed on that stage myself. I did hip-hop karaoke there many times back in the day.

Wow. Why is New York like that? And they have many, many bowling lanes and two bars and food. but we're not we're not there we're not we're not shouting out that bullshit no we're at the better venue stop it they got it yes better

I don't know bowling feels like a good sport for New York because New York is a very cramped city it's where there's like everyone is on top of you and so like bowling is a very it's a very narrow sport that's true so it works for the city it's built for the architecture

are like bowling alleys in a way you're absolutely right yeah Every apartment you go into is just basically a hallway with a kitchen in it. Yeah, the space is the silhouette of a bowling lane. Yeah, that's wild. I never thought about that. Now that I have, I got pretty much nothing more to say about it. It's been great talking to you.

Yeah. So you went to, you said you had done an event for this man, Zoron Mamdani. Yes. Which is my segue into talking about your recent video that came out a few weeks ago. I think it was right after he had gotten the Democratic nomination for mayor of New York. Possibly just before. I think before. It was right before.

Oh, so you helped rocket him to stardom. It was with the intention of trying to promote discussion and buzzing and in the zeitgeist and trying to, yeah. It's where I first encountered you and I was so delighted by it that I instantly was like, well, you come on our show. on the strength of this one video alone. Can I ask? Was it the sketch or was it me interviewing him? It was the sketch. Gotcha.

Which I think we're about to play. Yeah, very cool. Let's play that for anyone who hasn't seen it. It is from your Instagram, which we'll have in the show notes. Here it is. Someone get me anti-semitism on Zoran. Of course, he's laser-focused and making the city affordable for NYC's 1.4 million Jewish residents. He thinks anti-semitism isn't real.

No, he's like, not. He's planning on working with Jewish communities with an open hand. Not the open hand. It's very inviting. He's anti-Zionist, though. Yeah. So we got him. Anti-Zionism is anti-Semitism.

But he's consistently steering the conversation toward the absurdity of an apartheid state. Wait, bagel order. Wait. I think we got him. Damn right. Don't. It's bad. Give it to me.

It's a toasted poppy seed bagel with... Spinner scaly and cream cheese. He's one. Hey, Steven. Jewish friends? None, right? Candidate Brad Lander co-endorsed each other for their voters ranked choices like two cutie-pittos and a PayPal. Hey, boss.

Please, tell me you got some. There's not much, but maybe all we got. Brown plus Muslim, it says, on a piece of paper. That's it? Yeah. Just dress it up, make it look like an accident. Very good. Thank you so much.

It's very odd hearing... I'm glad that you enjoyed it. But it's, it is one of the only times that I've actually heard laughter along with it. Oh, yeah. Oh, I know that feeling well. I know that feeling well. Anytime I'm on something and they play a video of mine from the internet, I'm just like, oh, good. So people do think it's funny. Well, because, yeah. Internet videos are not meant to have laugh tracks. They're meant to be accompanied by someone chuckling very softly to themselves in bed. No, no, no, literally just going, hmm, just like just that. Yeah. Just a little. And you have to like rewire brain, especially as a stand-up comedian, you have to rewire your brain to like look at faves as laughs and you're just like, okay, I think they like it.

Absolutely. It is, you do have to restructure how your brain metabolizes success and approval. Right, exactly. Which for a comedian is the most important thing because there's nothing, there's no other reason to do it. It doesn't pay well. You know, it's just. Like, you do it because you're like, that room full of 25 people thought I was good. I could live one more day. Yeah, one more. And, yeah, before I end it. Yeah.

That's right. So this, you know, obviously post that video, Zoran Mamdani one. In your, you interviewed Mamdani. I did, yes. Can you tell us about that? What was your impression of him? Is he secretly an anti-Semite harboring? anti-Semitic feelings?

Oh, yeah, no, he killed me. No, you're dead. Yeah, no. I will tell you the way I got to meet him was that I posted that sketch. And it was literally later that day that I met him because it was the same day he was doing his big walk. Yeah, yeah. It was the same day as him doing a big walk of Manhattan from the top tip to the bottom

tip. And another comedian, Canese Circa, she messaged me and said that she had actually gotten in touch with someone from Zoran's campaign and said that he's doing this big walk. He's going to be stopping at like a few different points, X, Y, and Z in Manhattan at these times, any content creators that want to come over, make some videos with him, and get the word out, really just trying to push people to vote. He'll be stopping at these points. You can come organize a little time slot where we can make some stuff.

And she gave me a phone number and I got in touch with a very nice lady called Amelia. and I met up with him. And I basically was like, all right, it's a limited amount of time. Let's really just get a message out. Not like think, how can I create it? I was like, let me just do what he really wants to get out there because I ultimately wanted just to be of service. And so I came up with these questions, gave him to him to, like, approve a little bit

to make sure that, like, it wasn't any, like, gotcha moments. Sure. And he came up with just really very polished answers in, like, under a minute. And in a way where I like, I stutter a lot. I like, I go, I have a lot of, I could, I was more impressed than anything. It just his ability to come up with something so present and succinct. And all the while, he's just being, he really was matching my energy really well in a way that I was just very impressed by. I've noticed that about him.

And his campaign did something very smart and leaning into the support of community. I don't know that I've ever seen this before. I mean, you know, there's been political satirists in the mix, you know, who, who, you know, like late-night talk show hosts or whatever, who do their job in glazing certain candidates or whatever or attacking others. But in terms of a grassroots campaign of someone without much name recognition to start with, really play, like really being playful. and even self-deprecating without being totally irony-pilled and managing to mix that kind of sincerity and earnestness that you need to get a positive message out there to people who don't listen to podcasts

while recruiting the creative skills and whatever it is else that comedians bring. I was impressed. It struck me as quite unique. But also it's very clear, like the type of comedian that he is, you know, talking to him or wants to talk to him for the most part is, you know, like openly left-wing comedians out there, comedians and podcasters who have more of, you know, independent funding.

Not, it's not like, you know, late night. Like, you get Zoran on a late night show like Colbert and Colbert instead just asked him, you know, about anti-Semitism. and about how all Jews are scared of him. Lucas, are you a Jewish man? Yes, I am, I'm half Jewish. I was, yeah, my father was Jewish. Right, so you're a trafe, you're a trafe like me.

You're only Jewish enough to kick a post. I have learned a new word. Yeah, well, there we go. Yeah, yeah. No, yeah, I'm, Patrilineal. I am Haram, yes. am indeed no my mom is actually raised Muslim I was so I but I wasn't raised religiously I was wait are you serious your your mom was raised Muslim yeah my mom

is sued at ease oh wow that's amazing that's very cool so you're you're a mixed American boy yeah and I want to ask you about like the charges of anti-semitism against him in general yes I've been interesting to me as someone who is like, you know, been watching the way in which anti-Semitism has been more and more co-opted by people who are not Jewish whatsoever and used as like a political cudgel against other people, including Jews, which I find really interesting. The, yeah, the discourse around it, what was your impetus for making this Was it that you saw a lot of people going around calling him an anti-Semite and, you know, for no reason or, yeah, tell me about it?

Yeah, yeah. I would say, number one, main impetus was I had a feeling that this was a good idea for a video that I thought would do well and ultimately help bolster his campaign. That's what I ultimately thought I think this would be helpful. and I like anytime I make a video I always send it around to a bunch of like-minded friends even some like I always try to get feedback I always try to make sure that it's like as strong as possible

that was my main reason but really it's just he was asked so much about Israel which is I don't think that I'm like saying anything new it's not a relevant thing for a New York City mayor

sure to have like a strong opinion about but and i say like for some reason he is that it was because he is a brown man a brown american a muslim american and a vocally pro-Palestinian dude and there is a one-to-one ratio drawn between anti-zionism and anti-semitism and it's so angering to see yeah and it is and i will say i would say a big reason why it made it me angry is because I know being someone who is mixed, I mean, like, I function, I'm a white dude, I am, I simply am, but I do come from a mixed family and I know that I get less pinpointed questions in the way that Zoron has received because of how I look. And it's so infuriating seeing simple racism at work. That is what it, that is what it is. And that's why it made me,

it's a big reason why I wanted to make this video is to really just peel it back and show this is racism at play this is simply racism at play and powers of be trying to stop a guy with a lot of good ideas simply because he is Muslim because he's brown because he cares about human rights yeah and I love the ways in which that the structure of the of the sketch itself reveals like they're like they're trying to get something substantive and juicy and scandalous right and you know you go to the anti-Zionism but then you realize oh shit he's covering those bases very well and he's speaking to to jews so he can't be anything semi okay the bagel order and finally the like the coolest fuck fixer comes in at the end with the sunglasses he's like i got it and what does he got he's got the fact you have pretty good intel that he's brown and muslin yeah the most surface level thing yeah dress that up do which

do what you need to do with that and that is all they have and then all they do is they just dress that up with terror language or you know, globalize the antifada. Exactly. That Photoshop of him looking more brown than your beardy. Exactly the point is that it was also that I wanted

that sketch I don't want to like put myself down but it is just a thinly veiled reconstruction of what we know has happened. That's not putting yourself down. That's a testament to the skill of it. Right. I appreciate it. You worked with the

number. It was very parsimonious. You just take the basic truth. You dress it up slightly. You put it in a genre and boom, it's art. Yeah. And it's actually not, it's not your fault that reality is almost as ridiculous as parody now. That you didn't, you didn't invent the society. The society just cropped up around you. Well, forgive me for, forgive me for diverting, but I just saw Superman. Highly recommend if you guys haven't seen it yet. We're going to. We're going to. Don't worry. Everyone out there, been asking us about Superman, we're going to see Superman, and we're going to do a deep dive, we're going to talk about the movie. I'm very excited to see it because it's so fun. It's one,

it's hilarious. It is the, it is, I would say easily top five funniest superhero movies have ever seen. James got in an amazing job. No, seriously, it is so good. It makes you love every, almost every single person on screen. But what I wanted, the reason why I wanted to bring it up is that a lot of people are saying like, oh, this is an anti-Israel movie. This is clearly a send-up of like BB and so on. And I have like a mixed feelings of how direct they meant it to be. But really it's just, but really the conclusion is that the world has just become so cartoonishly villainous.

It's a fucking, that it matches what a superhero movie and a villain. It's like, the world has become like this. And I was like, that's exactly it. Yeah. And I think the funny. thing in the world is anyone who's like a Zionist getting mad at it is just clearly telling on themselves

where yeah you know I think it was Adam who said something along the lines of like hey hey sir I resemble that remark it's like yeah yeah that's you fucking telling on yourself that you see the cartoonishly evil people

and you're just like is this about me like maybe don't maybe don't do that but yeah I really want to see that movie and we will and we'll it's fun it's so fun and we have a clip of a leader who I don't

know if he's cartoonishly evil he's cartoonishly something he's cartoonishly buffoonish and he's one of my favorite characters it is the current mayor of New York Eric Adams he was recently interviewed and

asked the tough questions about Mamdani and he had this to say Do you think that Mamdani is an anti-Semite? Yes, I do. I think that when you're in the streets, after what we saw took place on October 7th, when you're in the street either the next day or days later and don't immediately denounce it, when you're unwilling to talk about global infidata, infatata, infatata, infatata, infatara.

Indifada. Intifada. Endifada. God. I'm sorry. When you're in the streets. When you in the streets, when you out here in these streets. When you're in these streets and you cannot condemn the globalized veggie frittata,

then clearly there's some anti-semitism going on in there. I'm sorry, if you can't literally. Intimata, entifada. If you can't pronounce the slur that you are trying to imply, your opponent is doing then maybe uh maybe you shouldn't talk about it you know i i love how he feels he's he's just it's just this like awkward thing everything has to have like some like street like attitude to it with him he's got like you know when you when you're talking to your people yeah yeah right when you're when you're when you're kicking it in a cipher yeah yeah

And you can't even... When you're in a B-boy stance. Yeah. Yeah, no, it's... When you're moving the crowd till the break of dawn. Yeah. And you can't even speak about beheaded babies. Oh, my God.

Yeah. It's so unfortunate that he's mayor because he's so... He is hilarious and he is so interesting. Yeah. He is at the very least a very interesting. guy. Yeah. He's like he's like vegan diet but then says like New York is like a place where you can build a business one day, towers crash another. That's New York. The magic of New York is your ability to eat from a halal cart and then watch 2,000 people die. It's really beautiful. It's the

place where you can you can sort of brush, you know, incinerated building dust off your falafels. have he seen the compilation of him going new york is the islamabad of america it's like it's whatever community he's talking to he's like his his pandering skills are unparalleled because they're completely like almost uh incomprehensible his yeah well he's never heard of any of the places he's referencing no and nor nor he's so authentically inauthentic yes exactly well him and trump are in a class all their own, which makes them both the funniest guys and very, very, very sinister

when in power. Right. Yeah. A small story I want to share. Last year, I took part in a roast of Eric Adams, me and a very good comedian, Athir Yaqub, who I think has a special out on YouTube, if anyone listening or watching,

A-T-H-E-E-R, A-T-E-R, she's amazing. But we made this roast of Eric Adams and it was actually for high school kids I believe because it was a political latching group trying to get like not a pack but a political group trying to get like young people involved in politics and this one kid who I think he he came from a cop family when we started doing jokes about Eric Adams immediately started yelling you should be ashamed of yourself you should be ashamed of yourself enough and he was he was so angry at us and everyone else was like dude, what is wrong with you?

Everyone else was down to like rip on Eric and I spoke to him and I, because he was a kid and I had a feeling that he was probably on the spectrum as well. It was just a vibe he was giving off. I just and so I thought, okay, I want to be kind. I don't agree with this kid, but I was like, hey man, my name is Lucas. I was paid to be here to do a professional presentation. I have a feeling if you stay here, you're going to hate this. and it's going to get worse

it's going to get a lot more disrespectful with no disrespect to you I invite you to leave because I don't want I don't want to put you through this and he like stormed out but relatively peacefully I like that I like that he actually took the advice

he just wanted to let you know he was mad about it I think he calmed down a little bit like I passed by him in the hallway and he didn't do a little he didn't do any of that he was just like he was just sort of like stuck in this position man yeah i mean you know eric adams the weird thing about him to me is you know obviously i'm coming from outside i'm in l a daniel's in new york but uh is he is this is the thing with all new york politicians where i i look at the fact

that any of them are successful as like i guess in new york people are surrounded by just kind of goofy guys. Like, Cuomo's the same way, Trump's the same way. Like, it is incomprehensible as like an Angelino to look at these politicians and go like, you guys see they're doing shtick, right? You see that they don't believe anything that they're saying, that everything they're doing is like a pretend man on the street. You know, they, and I can't, I don't understand people being like,

yeah, that's my guy. He talks like me, looks like me. We gobble gul together. And I'm just like, he's doing it. It's an affectation. You think Cuomo, like, Cuomo to me is the fakes motherfucker I think I've ever seen in my life. He just did his first ever man on the street,

dressed in short sleeves, trying to be Zoran now. Can I tell you, I've already written a video about that. Oh, yeah, you got a video about that as well? I have a video. I, basically, I won't spoil it. I won't spoil it. No, but I, but I, immediately when I saw that, because here's the thing,

found a uh because there you can see like a street signs like across uh cross street signs and then i found out if you look deeply in the videos you can find the location of everywhere he is he didn't leave a five block radius of that one spot on the upper east side of course of course dude it's all on the upper east side i i found every location it he doesn't leave like within five blocks north and south. I have to play the video because it is so funny for him to like, number one, still be running. I've been to Madison. I've spoken to people on Madison Avenue. I've spoken to people on Lexington Avenue. I spoke to people on Park Avenue. All across the end street. 91st, 94. He also, you don't hear a single other person speak. Yeah. Oh, no, of course not.

Yeah. Here's some of that video. Hello, I'm Andrew Cuomo. And unless you've been living under a rock, you probably know that the Democratic primary did not go the way I had hoped to the 400. All right. So in this video, just for the podcast listeners, there's B-roll of him walking around in a short-sleeve, you know, polo shirt, hugging people, doing the Zoron thing. And I just want to point out that I will now, I will now give DAP to my constituents. If you look on the top right-hand corner, there is a boom mic. Oh, my God, there's the boom. Yeah.

So he is stage. Dude. Page B-roll of him being human being. Just zoom in. Yeah. I mean, or. You can do that on the editing floor. Do it naturally.

I'm sure someone's going to want to hug you. Like the fact that you're like, no, we got to hide. a black guy, like he's straight up has footage, B-roll of him hugging what's supposed to be just that every day African-American man on street that he clearly

staged, bro. This is crazy. For me, a sincere thank you. Thank you for believing in me, in my agenda, and in my experience. And I am truly sorry that I let you down. But as my grandfather used to say, when you get knocked down,

learn the lesson and pick yourself back up and get in the game. And that is what I'm going to do. The fight to save our city isn't over. Only 13% of New Yorkers voted in the June primary. The general election is in November and I am in it to win it. Okay. So I just want to point out that you start the video off with an apology in which you're like, I'm so sorry I let you down New Yorkers who voted for me. Unless you've been living under a rock for the last several weeks. You know, that I ate absolute dog shit recently.

You have someone holding up a card like reading off this, please. There's someone doing that. Yes, I love it. It's just like, unless you have been in some sort of medically induced coma for the

If you have had an injury at your workplace. I call 1-800. Oh, no, sorry. He's an injury attorney. That's how he comes across. Yes. It is, wild watching

just to me the most inauthentic man who's ever lived be someone that he was governor I mean I know he was governor because his father was governor but it's just very funny to me that and yet it's a more sincere and contrite apology than we've

ever seen him do for I don't know groping women or killing old people in nursing homes like he's genuinely sorry he's sorry he lost he got his ass kicked yeah he's like yeah I'm sorry that I'm the one I hurt. Yeah.

I know you had high hopes for me. Like, this is something he would say in a mirror, not to constituents. I know after the whole gropey, gropey thing and the whole killy oldy people thing, you were all really hoping I would be your next mayor, and I'm sorry to disappoint you. But also, my grandfather always said,

if you lose, you could still run because there's new rules. That's what my grandfather always said. Is that it's so easy to come up with, a more entertaining and more engaging video for him to do even if it's obviously fake like you could show him like doing like some like fake workouts with like foam dumbbells like when you got when you get knocked down you got to get back there's so many ways that are tongue-in-cheek that would actually be fun to shoot like he may even enjoy doing no zero joy no he can't do it because he's a joyless man you know

it's like he'd have to surround himself with people uh who weren't just like Like grandfathered in cronies who have been trying to get him to win, you know, his whole life. All of these people are surrounded by these operatives. But, yeah, it is, it's wild to watch. We have so much more, as Barra, to get into, before we continue. But we do need to take a tiny little break for some ads. So everyone, please stick around. We will be right back.

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And we're here with comedian Lucas Arnold. How you doing, Lucas? Doing lovely still. I love those commercial reads. I didn't hear them, but I know they were good. They were great. We read those ads so perfectly. Amazing.

Everyone who saw it immediately bought product. Hell, yeah. What product? Don't know. Good product. Good product. Great product. Great product that I stand behind. Here we go. We have some accidental Hezbarah. This is amazing. So this ad has been circulating around, you know, the internet for a few days now.

And it is just incredible the way in which Israeli society lives in its own bubble where they, you know, to the rest of the world, the you know if you talk about israeli technology and you talk about you know israeli military capacity it it uh i don't know you your brain sort of goes to some dark images a lot of death and destruction and genocide and whatnot but in israel it's a completely different thing and in israel they love tanks they love guns so here is an accidental bDS ad they did recently in which I believe the point of the ad is to let you know that every time you buy an Israeli product, it goes towards, quote, keeping Israel safer, which is... Basically begging their own citizens not to BDS them.

Please keep buying local. Yeah, it's so wild to me because I'm like, this ad is actually incredibly useful tool for BDS because it just reinforces what we say all the time, which is that, you know, when you purchase anything that is in Israel it helps the Israeli economy you are also helping the genocide you're also killing people

I think the ad may also qualify for our bad or Am Israel AI just given the aesthetics of it but oh should I play the bumper? Do you want to play the bumper? I'm going to play the bumper this is I think everything in it is AI generated including the singer this is M. Israel AI

A picture of a lion with an Israeli flag. And a picture of Hamas as an octopus or a bus. I am Israel, aye. I'm Israel. Hi. I'm Israel. Hey, hi. Israel.

Hey, hi. Fuck yeah. Oh, yeah. good shit. All right. So that is the bumper and here is the ad that we are going to be playing for you. Just amazing stuff here and we will

give you a translation of it after the fact but for those viewing and those listening will also explain what you're seeing. Just enjoy the music. All right AI girls singing. All right orange juice.

Turning into a rocket. Yeah. Cheese. Windows? Windows. Tanks. Pharmaceuticals. Satellites. Shampoo.

Shampoo. A drone. A drone. Hmm. Looks kind of like Korean Jean-Pierre. I'm glad she found a nice career for herself after. All right. So you guys got to hear this translation. What is it say?

This is the most, this is the most fascist copy I've ever seen. Now, I've seen more like the, when I say fascist, I mean like propaganda for the population itself. I'm not talking about like the like exulting bloodthirsty like Habu-Daboo like pop songs that Israel was doing about killing Palestinians. This is more like the pep talk given to the population about everyone buck up. Yes. Because we're all in this together.

So it says in the coming, this is the lyrics. In the coming ad will mix it well, compliments to to Totserat Ha'Arretz, which means produce of the land. So produce of the land is the title of the song. It's the hook of the song. It's the theme. Produce of the land. Have you ever heard something so Nazi-coded in a language that wasn't German?

Jesus. The squeezed orange, the interception arrow. That's, I guess, an iron dome. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's the type of, yeah, it's the type of missile that they have. So the squeezed orange, the interception arrow, the cheese, produce of the land. The shopping window, the Merkava tank, the medicine, produce of the land. The sideline in space, metals shampoo, the UAV drone, all produce of the land.

When you see it all together like that, the heart fills with pride because the prod use of the land is power, security, independence, and hope. Today we all understand the Israeli industry creates security, independence, and power. Strong industry, a strong Israel. I can only assume it rhymes in Hebrew. Those last two bullet points are spoken by the voice. By the non-singing, but everything before that does rhyme. Yeah. Oh my God.

That is terrifying. Yeah. Yeah. And it's just like it's shit like this where I just can't, I truly can't imagine it puts you in the shoes of the sort of media bubble that you must be in if you were an Israeli citizen. You know, like. And they thought Superman was making them look bad. Yeah. Yeah. You're just like, because the intended audience is obviously Israelis. and that means that for this intended audience they're like well certainly they're going to look at all these products and you know weapons of war and death

and be filled with pride and for those not watching like these products are morphing into each other the way it does in AI yeah the singer is also completely AI generated I think yeah very very pretty black woman with you know I mean it's AI it's an AI lady you know it's also her hair like dissolves into the shining light background if she just turns like and there's nowhere with lighting that powerful.

Correct. Yeah. Yeah. Correct. But these items, these products, the orange melts into an iron drone missile melts into a plate of cheese. Tank melts into medicine. The satellite melts into a shampoo bottle

into a fucking baby killing drone. It's like Terminator 2. I mean this, and you're right, Matt. We are getting a window into what is normal for these Israelis. At the end of the ad, does it say like

who it is that made the ad or like, or is it just like? Oh, you know, actually, no, I don't,

I don't have the information of who made this ad. So I don't know if it's, you know, it's one of the ministries, I assume. But, yeah,

I don't know. The Department for Industrial Morale. Yeah, exactly. Oh, oh, God. I'm just making that up, but something. No, but it sounds real and it's just like, oh, it's just, it hurts to hear. Yeah, I mean, you know, it's like, first of all of that, I do love the morphing thing

because it is very much like the, it's like the end of Terminator 2 where the T-1000 is in the lava and he's just melting back into all of the different people. I was thinking it's like the black or white music video, the Michael Jackson song. Oh, yeah, yeah. That's what it looks like the way those, like. that's probably where they got the idea probably i saw michael jackson on that tour at a concert in tel aviv in yeah michael jackson us yeah black or white is probably probably the most popular michael jackson song in israel yeah they love the sentiment it don't matter if you're

black or white as long as you're not palestinian that's right that was the undertones but yeah like this was you know i i assume made by some ministry and they have a bunch of these you know obviously like weird, internal ministries, inward-facing ministries, and then outward-facing ministries that are, you know, propaganda. There's propaganda for the outside and propaganda for the inside. Obviously, deep within Israel, you don't have to convince anyone that what they're doing is okay, which is just crazy, it's crazy to see as, like, you know, not an Israeli. Like, oh, so people are just sitting around going like, you know, oh, yeah, this makes me feel good about buying that cheese. as long as I know whenever I buy that cheese, it's going to go to

building Merk of a tanks that go into Gaza and just like carve stars of David into people's homes. You know, like that shit to me is unfathomable. But then you see the type of Hasbara that's on the outside and it's a much different tone. Very, very different. And we have some. I want to talk about from 2016.

So this is obviously, October 7th. This is the type of propaganda that I have become so accustomed to. This is I really hate you posted this, who is an ex-Israeli recently moved out, a huge anti-Zionist Jew. He wrote that this video published in 2016 on the YouTube channel of the education ministry is a mandatory watch for any Israeli high schooler who goes abroad with slash on behalf of his school so this is really inward facing yeah about about outward facing yes so they're telling teenagers here's how to represent us out there yes uh and it is it's fantastic uh this is this is it's very similar to when you know i did birthright this was like kind of the uh sort of the same

pitch uh you know it was this is what you need to do when you either you know when you you go back home, this is how you need to talk about us. And notice which word they use absolutely freely, unapologetically, and intentionally here in terms of the mission. Yes. Here is that, now I have a translated version of it with the dubbing. Should I play the translator with the dubbing? I would prefer the dubbing. Yeah. Yeah. It'll be helpful for those listening at home. And we'll let you know if there's any mistranslations. And there's one untranslatable word, which we'll have Yes, which we'll play later at some point. Hello, nice to meet you.

I am Ilana Stein from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. I want to share how you can help improve Ice Rails image globally. Okay, I love that the AI dubbing software is getting very close to calling it is not real. Ice real. Ice real. That's great. First, we'll discuss what public diplomacy is. Hold on, hold on.

It's not public diplomacy. No. That's so funny. AI translated Hasbara as public diplomacy. Yes, it did. They probably, yeah, but in the actual, and I really hate you's subtitle, it says Hasbara, because that's... And it's the word she uses, yes. She says, yeah. Yeah, here we go.

Our current situation in the world, your thoughts on how to proceed, and then I'll offer advice on how you can enhance these efforts. Support the country and enjoy it. IF, you are in the eyes of someone from abroad. They think about negative things, and I have to say, unfortunately, that is also true. true. Many of them constantly watch the media. And what do they see in the media? They see, for example, this picture where we see them. All right. So the picture they're showing is what do they constantly see in the media. They see, for example, this picture, a tank and a small child. And unfortunately, it's true. We do have tanks. And they are small children.

Yeah. So this is a picture. It's a famous picture of a small child throwing a literally pebble at a giant Merkava tank. It's a picture of an EWalk up against a fucking ad ad or whatever those two-legged ad-ads are called. I've never seen a worst depiction of David and Goliath.

Right. Yeah, exactly. But they're about to tell you who David and Goliath really. That's right. Who's who? The problem with this picture is of course that when you see it, you might get confused about who is David and who's Goliath.

I can see how that's confusing, so here it is. The small child. Now, inch this picture. We know that the tank represents us, and we feel that we are the ones defending ourselves. We're the Israeli defense forces. And this kid, who is throwing a stone, is actually attacking us. The problem is that someone who just looks at it doesn't see it from our perspective.

For the person in the tank, he is certainly the attacker. From their perspective, whoever's in the tank must be the aggressor, right? Yeah. Think about it as... They literally are saying, oh, no, that kid's the bad guy. He's got a rock. Yeah, straight up. And we know that, but no one else out there looking at the picture without knowing the

context will understand that we're really the ones being attacked. That's the problem. When we can't make these pictures go away, so what are we going to do about it? Yes. And I'm going to play the rest of it. Daniel, can you read the subtitles? Because I think the inflection is also. The subtitles are better.

Yeah. Yeah. The inflection is important to, you know, this is. This is why AI will never replace us. From their perspective, whoever's in the tank is obviously the aggressor. So what we're trying to do is explain this image, and in a sense, that's what we call. What we call, unhazbariable. Unhasbariable.

And thank you for giving us our episode title. I know. Not just our episode title, but also a brand new sting, guys. Here it is. Hasbariable. Oh, good. Unhasparable. I can't even do it. I mean, giving us unhasberiable is such a gift.

That's the biggest gift. I'm almost crying for gratitude. So unhasperiable, which is something that is so damaging to the image of Israel that you literally just can't explain it away. It's so funny having that now. We live in a time where literally everything is unhaspariable. She foretold this podcast. Yeah, exactly. She knew someday. All right, here we go. Go back just a touch. Yes, yes. I want to hear unbatsuriable again from her. something you can't explain or explain.

She changes her accent to make Hasbara the way we say it, as we like to say here. She said the exact same word. Yeah, but she just wanted to, just in case you need to use that word. And that graphic is hers. I thought that was, I thought that graphic was from your sting map, but she actually, they actually made that. That's her. That's her.

Yeah. It's a confused, sexy librarian. Being like, I can't Hasbara this. Yeah. That's crazy. There's no way. to Hezbir this. How do you explain Israel's image in the world?

They told us, here's a collection of traits. Let's say which traits characterize Israel. At first, take all the traits and say which one characterizes Israel the most and which one the least. For example, what characterizes them most is leadership, creativity, intelligence, and initiative. B-roll of doctors, arts, you know, a play, a puppetry. These are the things we're good at.

And then we said, what do we do with this information? Meaning, when you want to represent, who did they poll to get those attributes? Do you think those are the traits that the world told them? It's truly, I don't know. These are the traits that I've always known. You know what I mean? Do you know what? Yeah.

A thing I want to jump in, I remember I saw a documentary about Jewish comedy. it was about like the like the the tradition of like comedy writing stand of comedy within the Jewish community in America yeah and I don't remember who it was but I remember this older dude who said you know taking care of your family it's a very Jewish thing yeah yeah and I that always stuck with me as just a perfect encapsulation of the idea that and this is not exclusive to the Jewish community. I think everyone does, especially with like Italians like, we eat a lot. Everybody does that. Right. We feel

guilty a lot. Right. Exactly. Just the idea of canonizing typically human qualities as exclusive to your own group. Breathing to oxygen your blood is a very Jewish thing, Adam says. We do it every

Passover. There hasn't been a year when we didn't expel carbon dioxide. But yeah, it's just, it's a clear example of just dehumanizing another group by saying the most common denominator things that all human communities enjoy. And thinking that like onboarding and branding this brand of explanation is going to convince anybody. Right, exactly. Especially when the only reason anyone would need convincing is because of the picture of the little boy who is throwing a rock at a tank.

Well, she must have some more strategies in the bag. Oh, I'm sure she does. So she says, meaning, when you want to represent yourself, you need to use something real for that. And we concluded that what we need to do is call it creative energy. That's what characterizes what's happening here in Israel. On the one hand, creativity. And on the other, a lot of energy. From there, you can put a lot of things under this title.

Yeah, like energetically creating settlements. Yeah. we can highlight our focus on innovation and high tech and the fact that we have many startups we use ways they're showing ways it's our theme song at some point when I was watching this

I was like wait wait way way way way way way this is just did I make this video in 2016 and I love that there's B-roll I'm not sure what play this is but I do love the ancient Egypt play that they are currently watching in the B-roll.

We can showcase our culture, which is very diverse. A mix of East and West. Yeah. No Orientalism at all going on in this picture. The version of East is like Cleopatra. I'm like, all right. Yeah, I'm sure they got belly dancers and everything.

And how did that mixture happen? Was it a friendly mixture? Was it like a purely by invitation, voluntary mixture? or is something a little more violent than that. Oh, boy. No, everyone just liked it. Everyone came over of their abolition. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.

Open borders. That's right. Yeah, the borders were open on both sides. It's a beautiful mix of East and West where the Easterners needed to completely leave their easternness where they came from, where we... Exactly. Yeah, I love it. Oh, my God.

So one way is, with creative energy... If we have that same image we showed you earlier of that tank and a Palestinian kid trying to throw a stone, let's fill that picture with more things. That'll help. If you have that picture, put the cheese behind it. Yeah, Photoshop some cheese.

Maybe put like a USB stick in there. If you could put out one of our famous Jaffa oranges. That'll just to just kind of. A picture of a Palestinian kid being run over by an Israeli tag. Except there's also a picture of a giant shampoo bottle. How much are they telling, how much are they trying to embellish? Like literally just that image. Are they saying no Photoshop in something else and be like, yeah.

No, I think they're saying you need to round out the picture. Right, right. Fill in the picture, round it out with the narrative. Some other narrative that exists. And the thing about that is that she doesn't mean explain why we need to have a tank run over a child. She instead, she explains that, well, we'll let her speak. They might still see such an image on the news, but they have more associations, more things to remember us by. There's a chance that that image will fade a bit.

We can talk to them about our inventions. Like, for example, a pill you can swallow that has a camera inside. It travels through your body and can film your insides. What the hell? Someone really loves cherry tomatoes. This sounds like Eric Adams.

It does. Israel is an incredible country. We have cameras we can swallow. We also have tomatoes. That's Israel. Yeah, exactly. That's. Have you ever.

swallowed a Jewish camera pill if you had, you would not be anti-Semitic in these streets. Yeah, I know you're seeing this picture of a tank and a child almost being run over about it. But have you considered the fact that we've invented a very small tomato?

And by the way, they didn't. They invite they like made cherry tomatoes more cultivatable and exportable and industrializable. Yes, they did not invent the cherry tomato. They settled to the, tomatoes. Yes, yes. They settled everything. They domesticated the tomato. Yeah, exactly.

They might be interested to know that we invented them. Or before we had WhatsApp and all the things we had today, there used to be ICQ. Okay. I love that. I love being like, and also we invented this technology, which is kind of, it's gone now because of the fact that WhatsApp and shit exists, but we had ICQ, remember ICQ? Is that Israeli aim? Is that like, AIM? Is that like, Basically that? It was, yes. Have you heard of Betamax? That's great.

Oh, man. We invented laser discs before the whole DVD thing got out of hand. That was how people used to communicate with each other on the internet. It was considered very sophisticated at the time, and we, the Israelis, brought it to the world. It was a very popular thing. All right? And so I tied a clove of garlic to my belt, which was the same. style at the time.

Which was the style at the time? Oh. Including the USB stick I'm using now to show you the presentation. That too was invented by Israelis. So if someone loves gadgets, this will interest them much more than a child being run over by a tank. So if we manage to fill the picture of Israel with all kinds of images. I'm sorry, but like the only person inspecting that picture of a tank almost running over a child

than being interested in gadgets is Inspector Gadget. They're the only person who's going to be like, gadgets, you say. How distractible do they think the conversation is? I know. Like, do you mean start talking about just say USB stick as soon as someone says the word occupation? Is that what you mean?

I'm just like, imagine it like you're having a conversation with like an Israeli over lunch and they're like yeah this is like this is really destructive and horrible to these kids and then you look down to your salad and you're like you like those tomatoes yeah yeah it would be a shame if something happened to those yeah yeah it'd be a shame that they weren't as easy easy to cultivate as we made them back in the 70s yeah i'm it's just the idea that they just are constantly like okay so you're talking to a moth right and they're like what's going on with all this tanks killing children thing. What you do

is you shine a light and you go look at that look at that. Check this out. And it'll just fly right into the light. You don't even have to worry about it. They have no attention span. So we managed to feel the picture of Israel with other images. We have a better chance to get people interested. Now I want to tell you something

that's also a life advice. Now this is where it gets. I love a little life advice. You're ready for some life advice, Lucas? Are you? Oh, yes. Oh, I'm broken inside. I need this. Are you in the dating pool currently? Are you in a relationship? Are you in a relationship?

You're in a relationship. But you've dated before, right? Yeah. What if I said no? Yeah. No. Well, I want you to think back. Skip dating, what straightens a relationship?

It was an arranged relationship. Yeah, it's like early decision with college applications. I don't have to do any other. Exactly. Well, I want you to think back on the torture and misery. I'll put myself in my single cat. And you're dating. Okay.

What would you have done? How much better would life have been? if you'd had this kind of life advice from a government spokesperson. Yeah, delivered by Israeli Janice Soprano. Here we go. Oh, my God, wow. Yeah, right? There it is, right?

All right. Yes. Here's a little life advice. We're going to talk about dating. I don't know how many of you are already going on dates. And if not, I wish for you to go and I wish for you to enjoy it too. You won't always enjoy it. I'm warning you.

Now, let's talk about how this relates to us. But first, I'll give you some dating tips. Okay, she's doing the thing of like, I'm going to make this relatable. But first, I'm going to tell you why it's relatable. Right, yeah. You've telegraphed enough, lady. Yeah.

All right, there we go. But let's say you go out on the date. One of the things you can do is start talking about yourself a lot. And you can go even further. You can immediately start by talking about all your flaws. In my case, I can't really see, can't really hear, and I can't smell. Okay, I don't know what. That's got to be a mistransation.

That's a translation that I don't understand. Or maybe she actually has major sensory defects. Yeah. Is she blind? She can't. She just can't really see. I can't really smell. And she's like she can't really hear?

Yeah. Oh, man. Okay. All right. Okay. Cool. Wow. So how does you put me?

Pretty good eye point contact for someone. Okay. I'm not even going to, wow. You know, how did you pick me on Bumble? All right, fine. I could spend the whole date talking about that. I'm sure the other person would just love it. More than that, I could tell him about a feud I have of my cousin who was super

annoying and he started it. And ever since we were kids, he's always picking on me. And he's always doing things on purpose. So in the end, I have no choice and I have to slap him. I could talk about this. that. That's true. I can tell you that if you do that, chances are you won't get a second date. Trust me. Believe me, I've tried. Yeah, believe me. I've started every date I've ever had talking about the genocide I'm currently doing on a population of people, and it does not go well.

So what we're saying is she single? Yeah, it sounds like it. I can't imagine she goes on many dates in which they don't have that conversation about how it's good that they're doing occupation and ethical. Well, pheromones don't work with her because she can't really smell. That's right. She can't see. She can't smell. She has the longest COVID. Yeah, I like this. Here no evil, see

no evil, smell no evil. Another way to handle a date is, for example, to show interest in the other person. What I love here is that the Israeli teenagers she's speaking to have never heard of this way of dealing with other human beings. that's wow this is really this is really deep stuff this is really high level i love i'm learning a

lot the dating advice is like you know see what interests them as that relates to this conversation yeah that means your your response to someone asking you about that picture is uh well enough about me why is your country murdering children oh can talk about yourself for a little bit what kind of books do you like you see any movies what do you like to smell yeah what's your favorite smell mine's napalm

or like more more pertinent retaining to the picture did you ever like to skip stones when you were a kid or yeah you have your favorite vehicle to ride yeah what's the biggest yeah all right to see what interests him or her how big does it oh no sorry no go ahead

I was going to say, how small does a rock have to be for it to be okay? Right, yeah, exactly. Maybe they're into extreme sports. Okay. And now you're both going to climb some mountain together, or maybe a climbing wall. In my case, there still wouldn't be a second date, but in your case, maybe there would be. I love that. Okay, that was funny.

That was good. That was a good line. I'll give her that. That was funny. In my case, still wouldn't work. I'm still. Like for her, half of this is like an informational video that she's doing. The other half is like video dating where she's just like, by the way, I can't see, I can't

smell, I can't hear. And also, if you talk about mountain climbing, I'm fucking out. Just so you know. It's like also she's talking to a very specific person. This is unfortunately hilarious. Yes. This is really good. Unfortunately hilarious was the other subtitle of this podcast.

For you, it might work. For me, my lack of hearing means that I can't tell what I'm screaming and my lack of smell means I can't tell when I need to take a shower. There is no hope for me. I'm beyond hope. But you can protect Israel's image. That's right. Maybe, because maybe you also love, oh, she's saying, I'm not an

extreme sports person, and you could go together to climb some wall. Maybe the other person likes movies and you'll go watch some cool action movie. Again, in my case, nothing doing. I hate movies. I am not interesting. I can't see and I can't hear them. It's really, uh, it's

a mystery to me. Every movie is a murder mystery. I can't believe I have a job. Or someone likes music concerts. Oh, we love music concert. Cool. I like movie films and music concerts. Or someone is interested in the environment. You'll go clean up a beach together.

There are all kinds of options. If you show interest in the other person, you can discover what you have in common. And what you can do together. Then some actual kind of connection could be developed. And that connection can flourish. And next time you can continue with shared interests. And how is this related to us, besides the fact that you also got a life tip about the world of dating? It's the same when you try to do Hasbara abroad.

You'll meet people from around the world with teens just like you. By the way, the meeting can be online or face-to-face. So my suggestion is also not to do something that a lot of Israelis do, which is act Israeli. sorry where we immediately start talking non-stop we have this feeling that we have to explain ourselves that everyone has to understand that we're okay okay pause matt yeah do you understand the mind fuck of being israeli yeah always be doing hasbara but don't explain yourself so much yes yes barra means explanation it means explaining mm-hmm so it's basically han solo fly casual try not to be noticed but don't act like you're trying not to be noticed yeah yeah yeah yeah

fly casual exactly just i mean just to continue on what you're saying here it is it is wild that this is an informational video about like at some point you're going to be outside of the bubble and outside of the bubble people have a lot of questions about what goes on here and it's important for you to know to keep your mouth fucking shut about what's going on here there's no sufficient way that you're going to be able to handle explaining some things about our country and why they're necessary. So ask them immediately if they're into rollerblading. Like this is this is like this is like Scientology or like some sort of fucking cult. You know what I mean? It's just like like this is a video for people so that they understand that the outside world is scary and has a lot

of questions and these questions will not be suitable for you to answer. And worse, they're legitimate questions. Right. Right. Like if they said, this is bullshit, it's all anti-Semitism, that'll be one thing. But she's not saying that. No, no. She's saying they're going to understandably want to know what a tank is doing facing down a three-year-old with a pebble.

Yeah, right. So ask them about rollerblading. Yeah, exactly. It's just wild. It's a bit like what I told you about with the cousin. Oh, is it? I didn't get that immediately. I think it's also funny that she's like, hey,

you're going to have a lot of people who really dislike you. It's so much like dating. like that that's that's really the twist of it is she's like hey it's a hellscape out there like trying to find the one that's what it's like being Israeli

bro just like that's what it's like you guys know the kids in the hall sketch cabbage head no I don't vaguely go ahead it's one of their earliest sketches Bruce McCullough as this raging misogynist chauvinist prick who's always trying to get laid he's got a big cigar

and he's very unpleasant and very uncouth and he's got a cabbage for a head and whenever women turn him down he's like it's because of my cabbage head isn't it yeah right yeah this is a cabbage head of countries it is yes it's so wild that's constantly having to explain that we're okay and the conflict isn't our fault because they did this to us and they started it because that's what happened the other side well okay the other side will say okay enough already you chewed my ear off i don't want to meet with you anymore and you've lost everything but now if the if on the other hand you try to show show interest what interest this person what what does this girl like to do does she like going to the movies

does she interested in fashion does he like sports is he into the environment what are they interested in when you find out then you can connect and show them how it's done in israel what if what they're interested in is saving kids from being run over the takes well then then we have a problem with the date that i think is a no go with the date if you start off the date and you're just like what are your interest and it's like stopping genocide then there's nothing left to say to you i can't even talk to you it's wild to see someone manipulate a massive audience into manipulators yes yes yes that is a that's a lot to have to lift up for a video yeah which honestly it's so messy it's kind of genius. It's a masterclass. Yeah. And I mean, it's just, it's so like sickening too because

I mean, at the same time, I like, I'm always going through these feelings that are conflicting when it comes to Israeli citizens because of the fact that they are simultaneously oppressors and then also in a way being, you know, victimized by their own government. If I could jump in. I could jump in. It's, I think it's the same relationship with how the patriarchy, you know, it like, it, it, it, it oppresses women and all other genders, but it also reduces the scope that men are available to express themselves. Right. And that everybody suffers under patriarchy, two different amounts, but that everyone does suffer. And it aggressively, and it aggressively has to propaganda, propagandize men and traumatize them out of feeling their own feelings, you know,

valuing their own vulnerability, all the other things it has to do to make them less than a whole person because a whole person will have connections to other parts of them, like their heart, their soul, their mind, their critical thinking, their empathy, their own femininity, whatever, that would make them ineffective enforcers of that system. And that's what Israeli society does to Israelis from birth, from before birth. And this video is a hilarious, horrific, poignant demonstration of that. It's incredible how fucking bald-faced it is. It's also so similar to Eric Adams, because I'm sure you guys have seen that video of him saying, like, if this is how you find out if your son has drugs in his backpack. If you, for anyone who hasn't seen this video, you need to go online and just look up Eric Adams' like backpack.

And it's, it feels like a sketch. Yes. There's weird music in the background. He's being himself. Everything is so goddamn weird. it feels like a sketch. This in the same way as her being like,

and it still wouldn't work out for me. But for you, it would be, like, it's so insane. Yes. You forget you're being. Yeah, it's, yeah. That's how you can really get them interested in Israel. Now, that's when you're face to face. You can do this on social media too.

You, and they certainly do. They certainly do. Skype. This is 2016, Lucas. Oh, fair. Look at all those different platforms. I do forget. Yeah, look at, look at Facebook.

There didn't used to be an everything app back then. You're right. That's right. You can post things about the conflict, and that's fine. But if you do it all the time, who would even want to follow you? Who wants to start their day with something negative? Yeah. It's so funny saying that because literally all of these platforms,

they, you know, prioritize that type of negative engagement. It's like, you know, this is why there's so many has bars. This video came out in 2016 where there was clearly not a full understanding that like the way that all of the has bar, like, this is when I was becoming familiar with like half of the cast of snakes and ghouls that we've talked about on the show. Like I learned about them through a lot of these like Facebook accounts in which they had made it their job to do this kind of Hasbara. and yeah it is this this video is like the last stand of good hasbara like this is the end of an era it's it's as if we you know it's as if i don't know you could go back to like before the fall of mordor you know before the ire of soren like like a sort of chipper government agency is like you know here's how you can protect soron's reputation you know like explain to people that

urukai are yeah are just orcs like everyone else like like what's her name again her name yeah what's her name uh we'll go back to the beginning yeah yeah sure no but let's see it at the end first yeah yeah all right here we go people want positive things too and that's the way you can contribute so i hope you enjoyed and that you learned and that now you'll help Israel because we need you you're part of our creative energy and that you'll also enjoy it and that you'll make friends and meet people around the world and through you, they'll get to know us. So good luck, and I hope to see you online somewhere.

Thank you. Oh, fucking A, dude. I mean, it is truly beautiful. This is, her name is Alana Stein. Yeah. Alana Stein. I wanted to Google her and see if she, like, found someone. Yeah, or, like, got glasses or something.

Yeah. Or hearing aids, or maybe she got her smell back. Okay, I googled Alana Stein. I'm afraid that I just, I asked for the most generic Jewish woman. Like, yeah, I'm not going to narrow that down. That's not going to work. There's like three Alana Stein's at Mount Sinai Hospital Oncology Department. I think I have an Alana Stein as a cousin too.

Probably, yeah. It's probably our same cousin. Probably the same one. We're probably related. Probably. Look, I don't want to hear about your cousin. I want to start the day with something positive, all right? Yeah, exactly. Don't tell me about the cousin who you've been systematically oppressing for 77 years, but who hits you sometimes and therefore they are the bad guy.

Yeah, it is, it is like, it is also the fact that she would use a cousin analogy. I know. That's a different era. Yeah, that's true. She's not talking about Amalek. Yeah, she's not talking about the children of fucking darkness. She's not talking about like, yeah, Amalek. She's now, she's still doing the cousin thing, which was like, yeah, it's a family stuff.

It's a family feud. Don't get in the middle. Don't interfere with our family issues. It really brings me back. I know. It's just a different time and it's only nine years ago. I know. It was like it really was that type of Hasbara.

And it's so funny. It's like one of the reasons this, you know, podcast started was because I noticed that they were trying at least for the first. I mean, still to this day a lot of the times you see it. But they were trying this type of Hasbara. uh to explain what they were doing in gaza you know post october 7th and people were just like this doesn't work anymore and no one was telling them guys this whole like look over here at this USB stick strategy is not it's not going to work when every day we're getting that picture the picture

she's showing of the tank and the child throwing a rock like we are seeing uh that you know like times a thousand really because not only are we seeing you know this you know clear images of genocide every day but we're not even seeing the rock part of it where they are you know there's some sort of defense happening well you know what you're seeing is defenseless people being murdered every day and they're still out here in these streets to crib eric adams They out here in these streets talking about WhatsApp. They're in these streets talking about fucking cherry tomatoes and USB sticks. And it's like that that does not work.

It doesn't work anymore. Look, if you're not out here in these streets talking about cherry tomatoes and USB sticks and shampoo, then what are you doing trying to be the mayor of the Upper East Side? That's right. That's right. You can't go out and just talk about globalizing the, you know, Katakana. or the Japanese katana or what is it called into catana yeah yeah into katana that's right

into katana yeah Eric Adams is like a much much worse version of Clay Davis I just realized oh yeah 100% yeah like Clay Davis was a thousand times smoother yeah yeah and Clay Davis code switching was was was yeah it was a thousand times I'm not familiar with Clay Davis who is that the wire he was a state senator on the wire you're a young guy right you're 23 I'm I'm 30 Oh you look great

We got a 30 year old We got a 40 year old And we got a guy turning 50 in two months Wow On this podcast Look at this Decades apart And yet we're all

Together here Podcasting because there's no more There's no more industry in America What? Yeah You know where there is industry Where The place where the produce

Of the state Oh good Comes from The produce of the land I love how like drones are produce. It's an amazing bit of spin. That is an amazing bit of spin. Like, oh, you know, this is basically a vegetable.

And we're proud of it's organic. Like, yeah, in America, we do a meme where pizza is a vegetable. In Israel, they do drones are vegetables. Arrow rockets are vegetables. Yeah, man. I mean, that video is just incredible. And it's just like, you know, again, I'm not trying to, obviously. when I talk about my own

sympathy or empathy in terms of the victimization of the Israeli public by their own propaganda and their own, you know, government mandated ideology of manifest destiny

and expansion of them. I'm not, yeah. Forgive me for interrupting you, but I often think about if I, I don't know how possible it is to divorce my soul from my lived experience, but I really try to imagine if my soul, whatever me is, if that was put

in a German boy in the 30s, growing up in that time, Aryan family, everything, would I rebel against it or would I, or would I just believe what I was being? I really wonder how well I would have interpreted what I was being given. Yeah, I don't know if I haven't, but it's But I do try to remind myself, at the end of the day, these are still human beings. Right, with agency, yeah. Exactly. And responsible, but still, like, they're human, yeah. I don't think it aids our understanding of the Holocaust one bit,

nor does it increase our compassion for the victims of the Holocaust one bit to imagine that the population. of Nazi Germany sprung fully formed from some evil Soranian hellfire in Mount Doom. The point is it's a human phenomenon. The point is it also robs us in the ability to stop that happening again in the future which obviously we haven't done

well. And I also think there's no way we would be able to do good satire on this podcast, good parody if you don't have some compassion which is to say you get inside the psychology. You understand why this stuff appeals to people why it makes sense and you know i'm saying so you don't have to apologize matt we were talking before the before we were recording about not needing to apologize oh i'm not apologizing what i guess what i yeah yeah what i'm saying is that you can i can't look at that video and not put myself in the position of like having to sit down and watch this

fucking thing the mindset you have to be in to be in israeli and watch this shit is like uh like i just i couldn't i i don't know man i don't know how they do it and uh you know at the end of the day when looking at all this you see well what did this culminate into it culminating to a society that is currently uh vastly in favor of continuing genocide and continuing ethnic cleansing like polling data has shown overwhelmingly over and over again that uh in israel um there is no real majority out there that has called to stop the genocide that is called for Palestinian statehood or, you know, anything. I mean, literally the bar of stopping genocide, stopping ethnic cleansing.

No, they are for not just continued, but expanded ethnic cleansing. And so, you know, you look at that and, you know, I'm not sitting here calling them the, the the victims uh you know the clearly the palestinians are the victims of uh of the israelis but it's it's i just look at it and i go man the mind fuck you have to live with you know that and i i'm not going to see here and say could never be me because you know you just don't fucking know i'm not i'm not going to you know pretend that if uh you know i well if i was is israeli'd be a refuse nick but i i also part of me is like it's I mean come on man there's there's just no way of knowing at the end of the day

but it does make me respect my Israeli friends who have broken out of that mindset sure seen it from huge either from a young age or more recently and or or anyone who's working their way out of it at whatever stage they're at that doesn't mean everyone else needs to stand on the sidelines and cheer and give them give them cookies and whatever but whatever it takes to to go against that kind of tide yeah yeah those are those are easily the most admirable and most exciting stories to tell is someone who actually is able to swim against the current yeah breaking out of the cult you know it's it's it's beautiful to see when it happens and we super encourage it and yeah and

also at the same time every time I I'm not gonna give an example because someone in the Patreon comments will accuse me of glazing yeah But I could. But yeah, no, it is wild to see. But yeah, man, that video is just, I wish, you know, there used to be days when we would just have cherry tomato talk. And, you know, there was a time when the occupation was brutal and quiet. And I'm sure there's going to be a lot of liberal Zionists who are wishing for those days to return. You know, back when, you know, it wasn't so.

public when we could just oppress Palestinians and be able to move the conversation forward with an outsider, just be like, yeah, it's just some cousins having a little bit of a feud. Anyways, did you know we invented galoshes? Those are the days. And that's the days of this podcast. Lucas Arnold, thank you so much for coming on. talking about Hasbar with us. Thank you so much for having me.

I had such a good time talking to you guys. Where can people find you on the internet? Yes, you can find me on all social media at Lucas T. Arnold. That's Lucas with a K. Please go to, if you find me on socials, please go to the link in my bio. It starts with Beacons. And you will find a link that says, tell me where to perform. That is where I would love you to tell me, like, your name, your city,

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Thanks for coming on. Very grateful to be here. Thanks again. And thank you to all of you out there for watching. watching Bad Hasbara, patreon.com slash badhasbara, badhasbara at gmail.com for all your questions, comments and concerns. All right, everyone. Thanks again. So much for listening. And until next time from the river to the sea. The global infratada needs your creative energy. Beautiful. Jumping jacks was us. Push-ups was us. Godmaga us. All karate us.

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