Bad Hasbara - The World's Most Moral Podcast - 129: Gaza City Flour Fund Livestream, with Jasper Nathaniel

Episode Date: July 30, 2025

Matt and Daniel are joined on a livestream by journalist Jasper Nathaniel to raise money for the Gaza City Flour Fund. They discussed Tommy Vietor's effort to Pod Save Reputation, other objects Cory Booker could hide behind at politically disadvantageous photo ops, and whether Columbia University's outside counsel needs to renew their Adobe Creative Cloud font license.Thank you to everyone who donated live!Donate to the Gaza City Flour Fund: http://bit.ly/gazaflourfundStandup Comedy October 13 with Matt Lieb, Francesca Fiorentini and Daniel Maté: https://www.ticketmaster.com/francesca-fiorentini-and-matt-lieb-brooklyn-new-york-10-13-2025/event/300062E2C3694548See Francesca Fiorentini and Matt Lieb!August 1 in Seattle, WA: https://www.eventbrite.com/e/comedians-francesca-fiorentini-and-matt-lieb-tickets-1354093864199August 28 in Houston, TX: https://bit.ly/mattfranhtxSubscribe to the Patreon https://www.patreon.com/badhasbaraWhat’s The Spin playlist: https://spoti.fi/4kjO9tLSubscribe/listen to Bad Hasbara wherever you get your podcasts.Spotify https://spoti.fi/3HgpxDmApple Podcasts https://apple.co/4kizajtSupport this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/bad-hasbara/donationsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

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All of garden us White cost for us Zabrahamas Asvaras us live and direct welcome to the Bad Hasbara fundraising live stream everybody yeah my name is Matt Lieb and I will be your most moral live streaming fundraiser co-host for this podcast what's your name you forgot to say the world's most moral the world's most moral podcast it's not so easy huh no it's hard to do your

yeah it's difficult it's yeah question for you Daniel can you can you can you tap your mic for me yeah hello am I not on using the right mic you're using the wrong mic you got such good ears I have an ear for this this is what I do this is what I do for a living default external microphones P audio is that right yeah that's it everyone prefer that that hit you in the sweet spot you see here's the thing ladies and gentlemen everyone else on this podcast we like to do a pre-record and why is that you ask because sometimes tech issues who no one needs to see that people want to see straight content they don't we were back we we they don't want to

see us arguing and bickering about who did what um that's right but we were backstage for 10 minutes might matt so you could have uh you know you could have said something then instead of in front of everybody and for i forgot another button matt adam you want me to lose another one just like this all right i'm doing it too i'm doing it too everyone's talking about how hot matt is lately i got a I got to step up. Really? Oh, yeah. Comments are thirsty as fuck for the mat man.

Finally, dude. Do you know how long I've been waiting for people to tell me that I'm beautiful? And I say this as someone who understands that, you know, I'm a solid six. But, you know, it's like as soon as I'm next to you, people are like. But that just describes your height. Right. I'm a solid six foot six. in LA2

says producer Adam I've always been in LA 2 I'm a Vancouver 11 well I just wanted to to say I'm very happy to have it confirmed that I am one of the most moral host of this show yesterday

Hadar for some reason was checking chat GPT about Bad Hasbara and it said Bad Hasbara is is a podcast hosted by Matt Lieb, so on and so forth. And she questioned it.

She's like, are you sure it's hosted by Matt Lieb? And it said, yes, Matt Lieb is a comedian, so on and so forth. She said, is there anyone else? And they said, oh, yes, it's also hosted by Daniel Matto. She said, why did you forget about Daniel? And this is what it said. You're absolutely right to point out Daniel Mate is a co-host of the badass bar of the World's Memorial Report podcast alongside Matt Leap.

I apologize for not mentioning him earlier. This is like, this is your lot in life when it comes to this podcast. And it's for better or for worse. It's for both like, you know, people like Chat ChbT trying to give you credit. And it's also haters. All of the haters, they attack me. And I'm like, what the hell? Daniel Matte is right there.

Please go after Daniel. And both of our, both of our insecurities are on full display here. Matt's worried that he's not beautiful and lovable. I'm worried that I'm not heard or seen. And the great thing about these deep insecure needs is they can never be fulfilled. We get a hit in validation. This is why we podcast to get unsustainable short-term hits

of the dopamine that comes along with validation, which then sparks another round, and we just loop endlessly. Forever. And then we die. And then we die someday. And they put on our graves ugly and unseen. LA2.

Here lies in LA2. Here lies the son of somebody. That's right. So who care? I want my headstoneers just say who care. Who care? I want mine to say what happened. Yeah, what happened?

So this is a very special live stream. We do these very rarely, but when we do, you know, they're always a lot of fun. But this one, we're going to be asking people to do something. That's right. This is a fundraiser episode of Bad Hasbar. We are not just going to be doing this. thing that you just saw us do. We're also going to be urging all of y'all to please donate to the Gaza City Flower Fund. Daniel, do you want to read the today's sponsor? I sure will. Someone just

asked me to move the mic away. Do you concur with that request? I do. I do. You yeah, yeah, turn your signal down. How's this? Any better? Oh, I think that's good. Maybe meet in the middle somewhere. Just want the mic to be as hot as we are. Oh, yeah. Is this good? perfect it's good yeah okay what number what number is that it at five and a quarter yeah that's as hot as we are we're about a five five and a quarter yeah exactly at least I am we sure are huh I also have a sure I also have a sure raise your remember raise your hands if you're sure remember that deodorant ad from the 80s or you too young oh my God I do remember I remember sure sure sure sure unsure unsure unsure well that was like the updated 90s version of it that sounds like a more

Seinfeldian coded uh yeah 90s yeah anyway the gaza city flower fund which is why we are gathered here today is raising money to feed up to 250 families in and near gaza city with two kilogram sacks of flour purchased at disaster premium prices and given directly to hungry families i never know if disaster premium prices means the prices are jacked up or there's a discount okay yes that's so especially why yes so uh i i was able to get some more information um from both mosen and uh from harley who has been helping mosen harley is someone out in the uk who has uh been coordinating with mosen for over a year now um trying to figure out ways to get money into gaza directly uh and There's been a bunch of different iterations of, you know, how the money is getting there.

But I got kind of a breakdown of how it all works. Essentially, I guess the important thing about it is that right now, the way, obviously with, you know, if you're watching any coverage of what's happening with GHF, which is, you know, the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation, which is just a front. for Israel in the United States to shoot at families who are trying to get aid. Yeah, that's the not-so-nice version of a thirst trap. Yes, exactly, exactly. Wow. And so it is, as you can imagine, incredibly hard to get any kind of food aid or water aid in Gaza right now.

And there are families in Gaza, prominent families, and also criminals and whatnot, who have stockpiles and sort of the only way that a lot of these areas, especially in North Ghaz and Gaza City, the only way people are able to efficiently get it is if someone buys a bunch of it. So that is what this is. We're trying to, you know, through any means possible, get people to, you know, purchase, you know, to give Mosen enough money for him and his comrades to buy and distribute flour for all the families in need.

And before anyone says that we're repeating Israeli talking points by pointing out that there are people who are stockpiling and hoarding, name me another, name me another situation in history where an entire population is deprived and there didn't end up being some, I mean, that's what these conditions create. And as Mohammed al-Kurd points out, Palestinians don't need to be perfect non-human angels, superhuman angels for us to end their oppression. And also beyond that, it's like, well, number one, the people who are stockpiling

are not Hamas. So that's first and foremost. Even if they, I mean, to me, the idea of even having to say that is kind of annoying for anyone who's just like, hey, that's, you know, but But the, you know, if you know anything about the history of, let's say, the Holocaust, you know that similar things were happening, no matter where you are in a war zone, you were going to be dealing with this. And sometimes you just have to say, hey, this is the reality that people are living with and they need fucking aid. It's not to blame anyone.

It's blaming the, it's blaming the Israeli government for starving these people. one way or another, barring, trying to take a flotilla into Gaza, only for it to be immediately absconded with by the Israeli government. This is one way we know people are getting aid directly to them. So speaking of getting them direct aid, what is the move for our listeners? What should they be doing throughout this live stream? Besides clicking like, subscribe, and sharing the F out of this podcast, this live stream, which you need to be doing, it'll help the algorithm It'll help more people find us, which will then help get more money to the Gaza City Flower Fund. What can people do, Matt?

They go to this link, bit.l.ly, forward slash Gaza Flower Fund. Yes. If you do that, you can donate directly to it. Obviously, we have never done like a live stream fundraiser before. So I wish we could do one of those, like those awesome, you know, the bar, you know, across the screen that's just like, if we hit this, you know, amount, then the screen explodes. It's a candy party or whatever. I can't do that. I think I'm going to actually close up a couple of buttons and say that if we're satisfied with the rate of donations, it'll be more of a chest tear party.

But I'm not just giving this shit away for free. You know what I'm saying? Absolutely. Absolutely. So right now, currently we are at 18,175 pounds on the Bitley link on the chuffed.org project. Quid, if you will. Quid, yes, or whatever they say. What's the other one they say? Stone, doesn't matter. That's Wade. That's Wade, isn't it? So, yeah, I'll be able to see by the end of this podcast how many, you know, more quid you guys have donated. Also, you can do super chats or, you know, like whatever, whatever the thing is. is on YouTube where you like give money and then you say and you say words um you can do that all of the funds from uh this live stream is uh going to be donated directly uh to the gaza city flower fund

and we will do our best to read out the super chats which yeah we're really right we should do you know yeah we're going to try really really hard but we're going to be talking also a lot and ignoring you a lot so yeah we'll try to balance ignoring you with not ignoring you we're going to do our best guys listen i i i am not in my usual studio i have to hold my mic I mean, shit is different, shit is different. But I want to first play a little bit. This is from Mosen's Instagram account just showing, you know, him distributing the aid

and what though people can see. Thank you, my Godfrey from Tahrine-Dazzo, in the same. I shall we'll show them on the people in Deguze. I don't know if we'll get copyright struck for the music. I'm not sure. It would suck if this live stream ended because I played a song. But you know, you got a little bit of it in your head.

But this is them distributing flour directly to families. And, you know, a lot of people do ask, so like I get DM sometimes about some of the charity organizations. charity organizations that we, you know, shout out at the top of each episode about, like, how they work. And the truth of it is, is that with a lot of them, I just, I know of them as legit charities. We get them from a list of, like, legit charities that do good work in Gaza, and we just shout them out. We go with it. It is nice to see with this, I mean, direct action.

I mean, what you're seeing is not just, you know, is not a. large charitable organization, you know, with tons of, you know, non-profit workers in the nonprofit industrial complex. What you're seeing here is mutual aid. Yeah. And, you know, we're at a moment right now where, you know, this is what we need to be seeing happening. It's absolutely what we need. It is really bleak. It's really bleak out there. And this episode is no different. There's going to be a bleak one, guys. Shit's fucked. But we're going to try to keep it spicy. Unfucked. We're trying to try to unfuck the world with this episode. That's right. Daniel, before we talk about the fuckery, what's the spin? Well, I got to start with the late

and absolutely great Ziad Rabani. I thought I had included him in what's the spin before, but he's not on the playlist. So I hope he would be on the playlist subsequent to this, to our lovely, our lovely, you know, playlist sponsor. Ziyadh Rakhbani, sorry.

This is his album, Houdo Nisbee. A brilliant, genius, Lebanese, composer, arranger, singer, instrumentalist,

the son of Ferruz, who's up there behind me. Oh, cool. And produced many of her albums, wrote a lot of her later stuff, and his shit is the funkiest shit you've ever heard. It's jazz, fusion, disco, mixed with traditional Arabic music.

And he died, I think, on Saturday in his late 60s of a heart attack. And he's just, I mean, he's a hero in Lebanon. I've only discovered him really since this podcast began. The rest of the spin are sort of minor callbacks or podcast-related things. Number one, we talked about Mandy Patinkin on the last page. Patreon episode that I was on. That's right. And so here's the Sunday in the Park with George original cast recording, a Sondheim musical

that won the Pulitzer Prize in 1984. And Mandy Patinkin starred in it as George Chirot, the French Pointless Painter, alongside Bernadette Peters. And Brent Spiner of Star Trek The Next Generation, who played Data, was also in that original cast. I love me some Brent Spiner. I like him. It's a wonderful show.

He played the scientist in Independence. Independence Day who gets choked out by the alien and is like, release me. Remember that? Yeah, I do. Maybe we can do a, what's the spiner segment where we just do our favorite Brent Spiner roles. That's a great idea. Because this guy on this album cover looks exactly like our guest, I included darkness

on the edge of town, especially now that Jasper has shaven. I think it's uncanny, actually. Yeah, it is. weird. He does look like spring scene. That's, damn, I never noticed that before. Do you remember maybe on the same episode as Pittinkin, we talked about Daniela Weiss? And do you remember I started making like rock, pop music puns? I mean, I don't, not specifically those puns that I remember, but yes, you do that. You have a tendency. I said, you're as cold as Weiss. And then I realized there's actually an album called Cold as Weiss.

by the Delvon Lamar organ trio. That's great. I think, yeah, Weiss is the drummer on this album. Nice. Daniel Weiss and Coldest Weiss. I had to include it. And then finally, you know, Matt, everyone who watches this show knows that your genitals are a major topic of conversation.

See? Bien. And there's an album named after one of your, you know, your main unit. The most exciting organ ever. By Billy Preston. Oh, I love Billy Preston. Nothing from Nothing leaves nothing. Right. And do you know what album by a very famous band he played on before Nothing from Nothing?

Let It Be. Correct. Yeah, he's the organist on Let It Be. And he was part of that rooftop concert. He's like one of the five fifth Beatles. That's right. Like there's so many fifth Beatles out there. Some people are like, it's Eric Clapton.

Remember that great Eddie Murphy sketch from Saturday Live? He's like, yeah, I was the fifth beetle. The original title, if she loves you, was she love you, man. And if you play it backwards, play it backwards, we'll see. And they play it backwards. And you hear Paul going, hey, John. Oh, no, you hear John going, hey, Paul, let's fire Clarence and steal all those great ideas. That's great.

That sounds like a good sketch. That's the spin. So that's what's spinning in the Mate household. All right. It is time to bring on our guest, and it is a returning champion, a amazing journalist who has a great substack that you should all be following at, what is it, at Infinite Jazz, J-A-Z. Yeah, Infinite underscore Jazz on some platforms, I think. Yeah, we'll post a link to it, but everyone should be subscribed to a substack. Ladies and gentlemen and everyone else, please, welcome back to the podcast.

Jasper Nathaniel. what's uh born in the u s i see it i see it no i spent the last two minutes seeing if i could muster an impression to come on as bruce but i couldn't do it it's all right i've never never been told that before never yeah no just in this just on this album cover yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah maybe this is even better look at that oh which is crazy because that means because the guy who plays the bear in the tv show uh the bear yeah yeah so you actually do kind of look like him dude that's crazy dude that's great i mean no you're you're more uh i would say like uh uh classically handsome whereas he is like hard to look at for me he's uh there's no there's a

name for it is a rat face hot or something oh is he is he a rat boy rat boy he's a rat boy he's a rat boy Yeah, he's like the, he's like the rat boy. I thought the rat boy was, what's that little Wonka kid? Timothy Shalamey, Timothy Shalame, I thought he was rat boy, but I might be wrong because now I think about it. He's more mouse than rat. Adrian Brody is kind of rat boy. I feel like he's something. He's anti-sometic.

I'm going to, you know what? I'm sorry to do this to you, Daniel, but I'm going to have to play the alert. There's no anti-Semitism in the United States. As Mohamed Al-Kurd said, it's not my fault. Jews have been compared to every unpleasant animal in the universe. I can't help it. Yeah, that's true. You didn't invent it.

Producer Adam says no one disrespects Karmie on this podcast. To that, I say, thank you, Chef. Yes, yes, yes. I'm just saying he's like got those faces where he looks French, but he's not French. I don't know what that's about. Jasper, thank you for coming on. And we've got obviously a lot to talk about. Your substack has, for me, like, been a place of getting...

It's one of the rare instances where you're getting real news and real analysis. And every time I read it, I start to... You just start to realize how bad things actually are. There's so much worse than even, you know, than you can... gain from just going through a Twitter timeline and seeing people sharing bad videos. So you give this context that you don't see outside of, I mean, anything else really. And how bad they are everywhere. Like your reporting really covers the map because of all the time you've spent in the West Bank.

And we want to hit several stories that you've been covering. By the way, anyone who has not heard Jasper's interview on the Chapo Trapp House podcast, which we've also been guests on. It's a, it's a, uh, go through that on there, someone in the comments. No big deal. Daniel has intellectual securities and always needs to, to let people know how much he's included in and how much she knows, which I'm not going to dispute. My therapist knows that's true.

Um, but, uh, your interview was better than ours, I would say, and it was comprehensive and fulsome and probably a deeper dive into some of these stories. Then we're going to have time on this show, but everyone should go check it out. Where do we want to start, Matt, in terms of Jasper's reporting? Well, there's a few places we could go, but I think right now what's going on with the GHF is of particular relevance. So if you could, well, I guess maybe I'll start with the more recent panic that I've seen. I don't even know if you'd call it a panic, but right now I, I,

I have not seen since like for 22 months now, this is the first time I've seen people start the process of trying to cover their asses for complicity during a genocide. And it's been kind of shocking to watch because I've, again, it's like where, obviously where were you this entire time? I wanted to ask first and foremost if you can Jasper explain what's different about this moment in your, like, do you have any theories about why they, people are choosing now, like, you know, Hillary Clinton or Cory Booker, you know, are putting out these mealy-mouthed, you know, half-stableness. Obama.

Obama, where they refuse to name, you know, who exactly is doing anything. And he would really like to see an end eventually to Israel's quote-unquote military operations in Gaza. Yes. So do you happen to know or do you have any guesses as to what is different about this moment? Yeah, I do actually. And, well, I don't know. I have theories.

And I've done a lot of reporting on this in the last couple of days because I actually have a story coming out soon about the propaganda apparatus of the GHF. Yeah. So make sure to subscribe to my sub-sac Infinity Jazz to get that. But basically, at some point in the last week, I think, or maybe the last 10 days or so, I think that the people on the ground in Gaza, whether that's the IDF and the GHF and, you know, just the powers of B realized we are not going to, like, the starvation has become undeniable. Right. And we will not be able to obfuscate it anymore.

And so they had been, like if you look at the GHF's Twitter account, by the way, I'm recovering from a cold, so forgive my voice. If you look at the GHF's Twitter account, they had been for weeks just talking about all the meals they were giving out and sharing these heartwarming videos and denying the massacre, denying that any of the do with the massacres. Then very abruptly last week, they actually started acknowledging that the humanitarian situation was getting worse. Right. Right around that same time, you started to see all the like Hosmer accounts on Twitter, start to say, actually, yeah, there is starvation. And it's the UN's fault. So that's what I was going to say. So, you know, they all basically like rallied around this particular story that actually, yes, there is starvation, but it's the UN's fault. The UN has decided not to deliver, you know, hundreds of trucks of aid that Israel has already allowed in. Now, the reality, I don't think I have to like dispel propaganda for your audience, but just like to briefly gloss it, the GHF was installed to replace the UN's aid apparatus that had existed for decades that operated hundreds of sites across.

Gaza and had delivered AIDS safely and securely for many, many, many years. And there was a really intense coordinated smear campaign orchestrated by Israel, supported by pretty much every mainstream outlet. Adam Johnson, journalist who writes the column, Substack, had a piece about how the New York Times and the Wall Street Journal really were laundering these bogus claims. But basically, the claim was UNR, the UN agency, had been, like, infiltrated by Hamas. And, you know, some huge percentage of members of workers for UNRWA had participated in the October 7th attacks and blah, blah, and they used that as their justification of dismantling that aid apparatus. And then bringing in the GHF in its place, which, to be clear, and this is not an exaggeration, it is a mercenary outfit.

Yeah. I mean, this was developed by intelligence. military contractors staffed by mercenaries and like it's it sounds crazy but also you know for those who are not like familiar with the humanitarian world there are like strict ethical principles that a humanitarian foundation has to abide by right the complete opposite literally the complete opposite of a mercenaries or a military's objectives there are also there are also principles of famine relief like specifically food aid and it violates all of them so so when the you so when the GHF comes in they get installed with support from Israel and the US I think

the US gave like 30 or 60 million dollars to it recently right was upset that he didn't get a thank you for it but when that happened they very quickly you know, the massacres started happening right away, basically. So what was happening is like they went from having hundreds of distribution sites around Gaza to having four. And this is after, you know, a month's long blockade. So people are already starving. So exactly what literally every single aid agency was saying, this is a recipe for disaster.

Yeah. And you don't even have to say, like I'm honestly going to like not even speculate on whether the goal was to actually mow down starving Palestinians, like if it was supposed to be a killing field. Because the goal was obviously, like clearly, to concentrate Palestinians in the South where these aid sites were and to force them to come through these militarized checkpoints. And it was just inevitable that chaos was going to erupt,

especially when the Israeli soldiers started shooting into crowds. Right. And they're reporting in Hararets that they, they literally were using gunfire as as their communication right like they start shooting at the crowd to say stop you know in most in most code right exactly and then they stop shooting and they can come and so people are getting mowed down every single day so anyway i'm getting off track but basically like in the last two weeks i mean the situation has just gotten materially worse is my understanding yeah like like famine is something that builds over time and then it hits a tipping

point and then people start dying and once that happens you can't just feed them like it's not like somebody who's starving to death you can just you know hand them a piece of bread and they'll like they need medical care because their organs have their their body has started to burn through its fat or it has already burned through their fat and then it starts burning through its muscle to try to get energy and then it and then the organs begin to shut down right the immune system is the immune system goes And if you're a child or a baby, your brain stops developing. So basically, I think what happened is it just the material situation on the ground changed to the point that the people who are operating the communications for GHF, who I think it's safe to say are coordinating with Israel, with the Hosbara operation, said, okay, we have to shift our messaging because like the pictures are going to come out. The New York Times is getting ready to do a story about it.

like it's like it's about to change and so overnight they start saying they have this truck story 950 abandoned trucks right across the border and and i think that basically you know people followed suit um i think like in some cases they got their talking points like the the piece that was published in barry weiss's free press yeah was written by amit seagull who is basically like a stenographer for Ninjahou. Right. I love that Amy Klobuchar was waiting to see what the mercenaries had to say before she spoke up. It's like, I'll take my cue from the military contractors that are shooting people.

When they're ready to call it, starvation. Yeah. Yeah. So I think that basically the messaging changed, the messaging changed. And then it trickled down. And as soon as like politicians started both seeing the messaging change and also So I think, like, I don't think Apex, you know, their position changed, but I think it became clear, like, it's safe to at least acknowledge their starvation now. Sure.

Like, there will not be the same sort of political repercussions. Of course, most of them have not, like, pointed the blame at Israel. But, yeah, so I think it's a combination of the situation on the ground got worse. There was a concrete, abrupt shift in messaging from the GHF and from Israel. And then everybody sort of just followed suit. Well, I would like to ask all of our people watching to put in the chat. And if you would put it as a super chat, that would be even better because then that'll, that'll be money going to the Gaza City Flower Fund. Just a reminder, please keep donating.

As you're listening, please like, share, subscribe. I think we need a new, I mean, let's keep the acronym GHF. But what does it really stand for? I'd say go home fuckers. Yeah. I heard I heard Will men. or say something like gaza holocaust something freelancers for yeah yeah genocidal holocaust freelancers yeah yeah come up with your best GHF puns in the super chats and donate please yeah so just the last thing I just want to add to that is like

what makes this whole thing just extra infuriating is that the message that the GHF has now begun pushing out in Wall Street Journal op-eds and talking points from Mike Huckabee and the State Department is that the UN is choosing not to deliver eight. So to be clear, the GHF was instrumental in shutting down the UN's entire network. And now that they have been exposed as, you know, fraudulent and murderous, they are now blaming the UN who they shut down for not being able to deliver the aid. I should say, I don't think it's working. I mean, I think like only the, you know, most zealotus supporters of Israel are buying it. Right. Even Israeli television, did you see the exchange on a, again, like Channel 12 or something like that, where this, there was a woman reporting that

that she'd been to the border and she'd seen where they were putting, you know, humanitarian material from the trucks into giant pits and burning it. She'd seen it with their own eyes. Israel is doing this, and claiming that, oh, it had expired. Yeah, that's what they're saying. The Pampers had expired. They were past their best by date, you know? Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Sorry, go ahead. No, I was just going to say, like, it's, you know, you were saying before how, like, in my newsletter, I try to sort of sweep up everything that's happening and contextualize it. But I have to say, like, as somebody who, who does try to cast up as wide a net as I can and capture all the important stories and tie them together in a sort of coherent way,

there is so much that is left on the cutting room floor, so to speak. So much that is happening that is just so nefarious and sinister and cruel that I'm not able to include. And in the case of the UN, like this is something that I think has barely made it out. the one of the really bad um thank you kyle for the hundred dollar donation yes thanks Kyle the there was like one of the worst massacres yet of aid seekers uh like a week or two ago 81 people were

were killed and that was quite literally because the world health organization which is part of the UN agreed to go with the, um, an approved route that the IDF had given them in coordination with the GHF. And it was an absolute disaster and it ended up in like a rush that where 81 people were killed. And so that is an example of like how the UN who had been saying we refuse to work with the GHF because you guys are murderers, UN then said, okay, we'll try it. We'll try it your way. And resulted in 81 people being murdered and and now the GHF is pointing at the UN and saying we'll even you know protect you we'll provide security we'll do this and that and it is just it is so grim I just I don't even know where to yeah and it's hard to like figure out like you know with a lot of

this it's some of it is just um it's so uh like devious and conniving and evil it's all of the words it's every description of every, you know, super villain in every comic book ever made, that you, you know, sometimes want to, you don't even know if it's prudent to ascribe, like, how much malice is always the question, where you go, like, is the GHF doing this to be making a killing field? Are they doing this? Or just making a, or just making a killing. Yeah, or just making a killing. You know, is, you know, and it gets to the point, at least with me, where there's almost no point in trying to parse what is, you know, what's a fuck up and what is, you know, like doing it because they're Nazis, you know?

Yeah, I think that's a really good and important point, Matt, because the, like, trolls will show up in my replies. be like, are you telling me that you think they actually formed this foundation, it did blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, so that they could murder all these people. And I think it's like it almost doesn't matter. Right. Because everybody warned them that that's exactly what would happen. Yes. If you create a militarized humanitarian, like you put four distribution points in a population of, you know, who knows how many now, around two million of starving people and you staff it with mercenaries and IDF soldiers, everybody knew exactly what would happen. And so whether or not the plan was to, you know, actually kill all of them, it just doesn't

matter. It's completely consistent with what happens in every imperialist foreign military intervention. I don't know if, I don't know if the U.S. planners meant to turn Iraq into a sectarian basket case. Yeah. But it was completely and totally predictable. Same thing. I don't know if they their master plan was to turn Libya into a place with open slave markets right you know but like the logic of military intervention treating a place like a problem and saying we're going to solve it with with guns even humanitarian aides at the point of a gun right that's what that's what that's what armies produce that's and and when you mix that with the capitalist profit motive right forget about it and like a lot of these questions remind me of uh during the shirene abuakle murder uh there was sort of this i would

say liberal zionist talking point that i would see bandied about which was um you know well it was most likely an accident you know because why would um you know why would the israeli government deal with the PR headache of um doing a murder and i just remember thinking like um The idea that in, let's say, the Nazi Holocaust, you had to, like, parse out who, what, you know, did Hitler order this particular murder or massacre, or was this just some, you know, Nazi who accidentally killed the right? It's like, no one's parsing that. At the end of the day, we all know that the Israeli army has no scruples about murdering. people because they don't consider them to be human beings and so the idea that you would give any you know benefit of the doubt to the idea of like well what's intentional and in and what is you know um you know what is coming from the top down and what is just the act of some rotten it's like

to me it's all excuses and it's uh and it's not going to hold up in the in the international criminal court and the answer obviously is it's both in some cases you have you know particularly particularly sadistic commanders like the guy who was commanding the group that literally executed 11 aid workers or whatever it was in rafa a couple months ago like that guy was you know particularly sadistic he ordered his men to execute these people in other cases i i think honestly in fairness there are commanders who are not giving orders to execute every person you see sure but but they are you know going into these missions like in the in the best case scenario with no regard whatsoever for Palestinian lives and they're just

unbelievably trigger happy. They know they'll never be punished. So they're they're coming out shooting and they're killing people. And at the very best, at the very best, you have military or Israeli governmental people who care about protocols and norms. At the very, very best. And there's very few of those left. But like they want to hold on to their self-concept as the most moral army. Yeah. No, I think that's true. I mean, there was just like the story that sort of stuck out for me recently, there was a killing in the West Bank, soldiers just like stormed into a house and literally like shot a teenager in his bed and killed him. And he wasn't even like a suspect of anything. And the father said in an interview that he heard, right after it happened, he heard

the soldiers arguing. And one of them was like, why did you, what the fuck's wrong with you? You're an idiot. Why'd you do that? And he and like it sounded like the way like a group of friends would argue if like one of their friends was like did something stupid. Like why'd you do that man? What's wrong with you? It's like you just murdered a child. Right. And and and and I think that in that case, it was like we shouldn't have done that. But they were treating it as a whoopsie daisy. Right. Like so again, it really and it's the same thing frankly with the the genocide debate. It's like, I mean, obviously, I think we all know where we all stand on it. But it's like every member of the IDF doesn't have to be trying to kill every single person they encounter for the operation as a whole to be a genocidal one, trying to annihilate an entire people.

And it ultimately, it does matter that it's a genocide, but even if it was decided that the term doesn't apply, it would still be the worst crime of the 21st century. I don't care what you call it. Right. I do care what you call it. But it's not the ultimate thing. The ultimate thing is saying that this is far beyond the pale of anything. And there's no justification for it in any case and no country that does this has the right to security, safety, never mind the bogus right to exist. And I think that it's important, like context.

you know, the genocide debate, whatever, you know, bad faith actors want to call it, you know, oh, it's not a genocide, it's this or that. I think this is important context for one of the reasons why you see, at least on a PR level, the winds shifting a bit, at least among these DC politicians who, you know, put out these mealy-mouth statements. It's because when it comes to the last 22 months of war crimes that we've seen, blown up children and, you know, kids with their limbs, you know, double amputees, it's just like, all of this stuff they can do, they can explain it away, you know, as like, well, this is collateral damage of war, blah, blah, blah. Right.

You see the amount of starvation, the photos of starving children and, you know, start. just people, the videos of people trying to get aid, getting, you know, bullets shot at them. And then it becomes immediately undeniable because of the fact that that, it's one thing to say, oh, well, that child was killed because, well, we were doing, you know, we were bombing this building trying to get this one guy. It's another thing entirely to kick out all of the aid organizations, along with all of their institutional knowledge, doing a brain drain of people who know how to get food into a crisis zone, supplanting it with some bullshit, and then everyone starts dying of starvation and malnutrition.

And then you have photos of it. You can't, it's like you can no longer deny what's right in front of you. It's the difference between a famine and a campaign of mass starvation. as a weapon, you know, it was like, I think it was, the difference between those things have been talked about a lot, at least when it comes to like the IRA and, you know, Irish people talking about the potato famine is not a famine. And not, you know, it's the case of, is this because the crops didn't come in because we had a particularly bad winter in Gaza? No, It's a case of the Israeli government making sure that people, it's a policy of people not getting food.

It's a policy of people not getting aid. That is genocidal by definition. Do you know which organization, I was very surprised to see this, not that it happened, but that it hadn't happened. You know which organization yesterday came out and called it a genocide for the first time? Betselm. Betzelem. Yeah. And, you know, I am with people who say getting men.

at celebrities for not having spoken about it sooner is understandable it's an understandable emotion and probably it's not something we should harp on for too long like we have to manage our own anger and frustration and just welcome whoever's on the boat now because eventually if the whole world is on it then it will end you know but when it comes to betsalim i was just they they're their their statement which i'm sure was geared to an israeli crowd said something like this is our genocide it's people who live here doing it to people who live here and they said we know it sounds inconceivable and i'm like yeah don't fucking baby these people it does not it sounds it sounds eminently

conceivable it sounds like the most conceivable thing nothing has ever been more conceivable in the history of conception i've been done conceived it i've been done this baby been born okay those ovaries are in heat yeah exactly this is so conceived i'm in Menopause right now. Yeah. I was, I mean, again, I agree with your point about like now, really. But at the same time, when I saw that, I was just like, okay, good. Yeah, yeah, it is okay, good.

It is okay, good. It's just my, I have these, you know, these side, these side thoughts. Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, go ahead. Go ahead. I was just wondering if we, I was just wondering if we, I was just. wondering if we might want to switch gears slightly um well i mean let's let's

definitely switch gears but before we do there's just a few uh media things oh do we have the tommy vador thing oh no but that's good uh i think that is a good discussion to have um but i wanted to uh play like we were talking earlier about um you know the uh hasbara especially around GHF, or very specifically their PR strategy, which seems to me to be the most like, it's like, it's very Trump. I don't know what other way to put it, but it's like they have the same guys who, you know, write all of Trump's PR messaging. It's like, you're going to hate me, you're going to hate me for this, Matt, but I have a piece coming out about this in the next couple days. Oh, yeah. I can't. You can't get into it yet. It hasn't gone through

legal and that kind of thing. Okay. That's fine. That's a great reason to subscribe to my substack. Everyone subscribe to his substack. Subscribe to the substack everyone. And how many how many likes do we have? And speaking of subscriptions, subscribe to our YouTube. How many likes do we have on the stream? I'm not asking this to validation. I'm asking for algorithmic boosting. Adam, can you check on that? Because we have 583 people watching. Yeah. Likes really do help yeah yeah everyone everyone put a like in there um do that but okay uh but go ahead we will no we'll we'll hold off on that because you have a piece about their PR strategy um let let's just but maybe Matt will just say i'll just say like your speculation that this is like a i don't

even want to repeat what you said but yeah yeah yeah yeah it's not far off i mean it's a sophisticated operation with some it's like it's gonna what do they say it's shocked but not surprised it's going to be that type of it my name is Matt Lieb I'm a news speculator

I think you'll this is my son and partner Daniel Matte all right well maybe we'll do like a brief talk about the Tommy Vitor because this is a great example of the Jean

of I'm only talking about this now and I'm gonna fucking it's kind of like in the vein of contra points statement you know but yeah from a from a pod save lib I want to just say before you get I think you're pulling up the thread with him and Felix is that right yeah okay oh well just his tweet yeah yeah I know you're gonna pull up just in fairness I think it's we're saying like Tommy Vitor I have a lot of issues with him with just the Obama Bros in general but he has been calling out the genocide for some time has he okay yeah long long before long before anyone in the democratic party was comfortable doing it i mean he's a foreign policy guy and he seems i don't know him it seems that he's not sort of like ideologically you know bound

to zionism he's been calling in a genocide and and calling it out for what it is for some time that having said all that i think that what you're going to show is like what it's like to still be glued to this party? Right. Has he been calling out his former boss, Obama, for his mealy-mouthedness about it? I haven't heard. Is he able to break away from the-

But I just think that's important context, that like what you're about to show is not one of these rules that has been, yeah. And yeah, and I think actually this is like part of the, this is part of the issue that I kind of had with this was that my response to his statement. So I'll read the statement for people who hadn't read it. He said, tweeting, I told you so at people who changed your mind about what's happening in Gaza does nothing to help the kids who are being starved to death.

Welcome people into the tent, build a bigger coalition, and use it to force political change. That's kind of what I just said. Yes, right. Here's the problem that I had with it. While I was reading it, was that the idea of, like, tweeting at someone I told you so. is some sort of widespread thing that's happening to just some Joe Schmo who's like, oh, man, this Palestine thing seems like a genocide. Exactly.

No, I had only seen people tweeting, I told you so, or tweeting snarkily about people who are just now speaking up, or not even speaking up, but saying the first thing they've ever said. I've only seen that happening to elected officials and media pundits who like, I mean, I saw this with Barry Weiss, Barry Weiss having a piece in the free press about how like there's starvation happening and this is bad. And that's not an I told you so. If you push back on that, that's not I told you so. Yeah. And I wasn't referring to Tommy Vitor when I wrote this. I think he might have took it that way, but I wasn't. know, I was talking about people like Barry Weiss or people like Hillary Clinton or Cory Booker who are writing these statements that have been talking about.

But what I said to him was like, I of course extend grace to the millions of people who for the first time are seeing images coming out of Gaza in which it makes it abundantly clear that there's a mass starvation campaign and having those people go like, oh shit, I guess all genocide people were right the whole time why would i extend that grace to people who spent the last 21 months uh making sure that people never saw those images right you know like or people who would like all they made their entire thing either being completely silent about it or doing nothing but running cover for the israeli government or you know actively supporting it yes or actively supporting him i mean like dan goldman all these guys were yes like paying for the bombs yes uh

shout out to preston one hundred dollar donor preston you're old dog we love you uh thank you read did you read his comment because my sister emma texted me that's why i was laughing while you were talking what he wrote oh yeah what i what was the comment uh if you can find it uh i just I'll just read it. My sister sent me a text. It says, I came to donate flour. I didn't know y'all were serving up three-layer beef cake.

I think that we are the three layers of the beef. We're the three layers, dude. Yeah. But yeah, no. Beef, beef three ways. Let me just show this. Here's the perfect clap back to Tommy.

Like, maybe it's overly mean to him, but I think it's right on point in terms of a certain sentiment. Adam, you sent this this morning. This is Jeremy Kaplowitz, who said, imagine someone saying this in response to the first they came for a Holocaust poem. And then, quote, okay, so now every time someone murders tens of thousands of people, I'm supposed to just know to not write several essays defending it.

And when it comes to Barry Weiss, I don't know about Tommy, But when it comes to people like Barry Weiss, when it comes to sitting U.S. senators and Congress people who have been pictured with Benjamin Netanyahu, their description of it as a starvation is not accompanied by a demand for Israel to stop starving or else will cut off aid. Speaking of which, Adam just told us on the private chat something interesting, not exactly, not nearly the same, but breaking. Prime Minister Sir Kier Starrmer has announced that the UK will recognize Palestine as a state by the United Nations meeting. in September unless Israel recognizes agrees to a ceasefire that's not weird the ultimatum is if you don't agree to a ceasefire we're going to recognize them as a state palestine we're probably not going to do it that is that is that's hilarious i mean that is like a perfect

encapsulation of yeah how they think of the palestinians like yeah yeah if you know like putting their they're like you either have to let them be alive or we're going to we're going to grant them legitimacy yeah yeah yeah you have to choose one kill them or you know call them a state yeah you are guess what you better if you do not do a ceasefire within the next three to six months then uh three to six months from now i'm going to officially declare that i'm sad that they all die he's also starmer has also officially told them here's the punishment for killing all of them we're gonna called the state it will be like all right yeah let's just go along anyway like it's not that bad yeah guys we're really sorry we can't thank everyone personally for every single donation there's

been some big ones there's been some small ones it's crazy no donation is too small yeah it's not the size of the donation it's the motion of the ocean um the penis joke In terms of like the V-Tor stuff, I, he kind of like followed up with me after he was just like, you know, kind of explaining himself. What did he say? He said, you take credit when every Tom comes out and breaks their silence, whether it's VATOR or York. You think it's you. It's not me. No, no, no, no.

In this case, he had, and I've known he's the one pod save guy who was like loud on Palestine. Whereas, like, the other, the Johns were always just like, I don't know, you know how the Johns be. Someone just called Kirstarm or Kid Starver. That's good. That is very good. He wrote, here's what I want. The biggest possible coalition of people who might agree on nothing else to come,

who might agree on nothing else to come together, to put pressure on the US government, the UK, etc. To cut off weapons shipments to the IDF, Intel support, support, um, domestic, oh, diplomatic cover, et cetera. This doesn't mean this war won't be a litmus test for me in, you know, 2028 and many other elections, uh, it will be, but it feels like this horrific moment is a tipping point in the global opinion and we should seize on it. And to this, I just wrote, I said, who, who the fuck's stopping you?

Like, like, by all means, anyone who has a platform, feel free to bring out every pod save listener. to a pro-Palestine demo, you know? It's like, feel free to call up everyone in the crooked Rolodex who is either a, you know, a politician themselves or in the fucking, you know, the nuts and bolts and the gears. You know, the ghouls who make that shit run, the PR people and whatnot, call them.

Tell them which way the wind is blowing. Like, to me, what blows my mind about this is that I'm just like, I understand you don't want divisive language, on Twitter, but that is an unreasonable ask. Well, I think that he's like trying, I think he's, I understand the point he's trying to make and I think it's a bad one. Yes. I think that what he's saying is we need to get politicians on our side so that they have

the, you know, like just literally the political power to be able to end this. And if you're mean to them, they won't do it. And I think that, I think that like ethically and morally that's wrong because, like if you were actively complicit in genocide you don't get a pat on the back at any point but i also think just practically speaking like these politicians listen to money and votes yes and they need to understand that if that they're going to get voted out and their only chance their only chance of surviving is if they turn enough on this that they don't lose all you know they they don't lose everybody who's on the fence right so i basically what i'm saying

is like i think tommy has it backwards and frankly like i'm not an expert on electoral politics so maybe i'm wrong but it seems to me that if i'm one of these politicians and i'm like oh that was easy i just had to tweet you know this one thing and now everybody's on my side like i'm not i'm not going to then like fight against israel you do not catch more you do not catch more liberals with honey than with vinegar i'm sorry that's just not how works Ian thank you for the two hundred dollar canadian donation how much money have have has been raised i think we're doing pretty great yeah i don't know i have to look at the we'd have to look at the the difference between now and when we started i've when we start at least with the the the bitly link it was 18 175 and now we're at

whoa shit 23 442 that's 5 000 everybody sweet well 5 000 pounds holy shit very good everyone keep it going that is uh damn that's really really good and then that doesn't include all of the the super chats everyone I love you you're doing amazing work there's got to be at least a couple of grand of super chats in there right now that's wild but yeah I mean I guess like I I what you said Jasper is exactly the point I assumed he was making you know talking about like treating the politicians nicely and whatnot and to me I just I agree it's it's backwards but I also am like I I'm just

so sick of this culture of critique that is about how online people be and especially when it comes to the to the left you know this this constant like there are people who's have dedicated the entire genocide to their grievances with how leftists speak on issues on twitter or on TikTok and that was 80% of counterpoints the statement yes and and you know to me I like look at this and I go like Tommy and the Pod Save boys you have a platform that speaks to a lot of liberals and it is I believe your duty to make sure that they know that this is not a some side issue thing that this is the most urgent matter and that they should be going out and they should do all of the liberal shit that they would do about anything else calling their senator their congressmen uh going to

protests uh like there's not a guy at protests who are like oh let me just you know check your twitter timeline for the last 22 months and make sure that you you know spoke out before no one is purity testing what podcasts you listen to at an action. If you're there, you're there. Nobody cares. So to me, this like idea of like, hey, you know, you know, treat everybody, you know, with kindness on the internet, and then we will have peace. I'm like, you're living in a fucking fantasy world. The truth of it is, is no matter how many times you yell at people like Cory Booker about, you know, their silence or their complicity. I just truly don't believe they hear it. I mean, to be honest, you know, look at AOC. Did you see, I don't know if you

saw this that I put on Twitter. So Cory Booker, actually, can you read the tweet that Cory Booker did about, you know, when he finally came about talk about starvation? Because I want to contextualize it. Yes, yeah, I can find it. I can pretty much do it. For those who do it, don't know. I'm sure most people do know, but Corey Booker, Senator from New Jersey, after the ICJ had already charged the then defense minister of Israel, Joav Galant, of war crimes, Corey Booker invited Goaunt into his office and took a photo posing with him. And then famously, you know, he was trying to duck and hide in the picture with Nanyahu a couple weeks ago. So this is a guy that like both like months into it and then a year and a half into it or almost two years into it

is posing with the people who are um are leading the genocide so anyway read this and then i want to just give all context it's not surprising that he's so in the tank for israel you know the hip-hop nickname for new jersey is new jerusalem is it really yeah oh yeah look at that the settlers are trying to create a new jerusalem with no allies Fox and Mosque. Yeah, New Druids. No, I got it. You don't have to, yeah, I know I get it.

All right. Okay, here it is. Senator Cory Booker says, witnessing the catastrophic hunger and suffering of civilians, especially children, women, the sick and elderly in Gaza has been heartbreaking. The crisis in Gaza must be met with an immediate and drastic surge in life-saving resources,

such as desperately needed food. Surge, I'm sorry, it's just that I'm such a US military coded word. I know, we need another surge, guys. This time, not an Iraqi surge, a different surge. Let's see. Such as desperately needed food, water, and medicine, including therapeutic foods for those suffering from severe malnutrition. It is our collective moral duty to ensure that humanitarian relief

reaches those who need it most urgently. The strategy of the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation has not worked, proven methods to get humanitarian aid to those in need while preventing diversion to Hamas must be used to flood the zone now. Every moment of delay will cost lives and cause irreparable harm to the health of children, pregnant women, and other civilians. We must do all we can to address the humanitarian crisis in Gaza as part of the strategy to save lives, decrease Hamas' influence and capabilities,

release all remaining hostages, strengthen Israel's security. Pee-Wee-Herman voice. Ah! You said the magic word! You finally said Israel. Ah! Yeah. Yeah, the only time Israel is mentioned, it's to strengthen its security.

And ultimately... Not to say decrease its influence and capabilities. no so okay so sorry keep keep going yeah yeah yeah ultimately and ultimately in this war these goals are not mutually exclusive rather they go hand in hand okay so here's what i want to say first of all as you already pointed out he the only mention of israel is about strengthening its security which is like come on but okay so so he starts the second paragraph by saying the strategy of the Gaza humanitarian foundation has not worked. Proven methods to get humanitarian aid to those in need while preventing diversion

to Hamas must be used to flood the zone now. Okay, fine. Like we agree on that. The next day, meaning yesterday, Senator Chris Van Hollen writes a letter demanding that the U.S. cut its funding to the Gaza humanitarian foundation on the basis that it has led to starvation across the strip and over 1,000 people killed, 21 Democratic senators sign it. Cory Booker doesn't even sign that. Yeah.

So even if you buy his logic that, well, it's not Israel's fault, but the Ghazi humanitarian foundation is bad, even if you give him that, he didn't even use his voice to defund it. So it's just like, talk about, you know, not putting your money where your mouth is. You know, just obviously like Schumer didn't sign it, Jill Brand didn't sign it, of course, Vetterman, like, you know, Mark Kelly didn't, there's the list. I posted the list on Twitter. It's maddening.

But, yeah, like these people who are speaking up now and then immediately, like within 24 hours, not using their power to do something. I know. That deserves nothing but, you know, contempt and shame and just everything else. Yeah. The idea that like, and this is why I hated, you know, this Tommy Vitor tweet so much was because it felt like this is going to be, it's laying down the groundwork for the excuse for why I'm going to vote against Palestine again. I'm going to vote against their interests is because I told you guys if you yell at them. They're going to just want to kill more.

And, you know, this is the constant refrain of anyone who is pro-Israel when it comes to, like, oh, the problem with everyone speaking out, you know, is that, you know, it's just going to make the Israeli army be more crazy. You're just going to make the politicians be more Zionist. And it's, to me, it's like a complete, I don't know. Did you see Anthony Blinken? Did you see Anthony Blinken the other day? Oh, my fucking God. Yeah, that was mind-blowing. I just saw that about an hour ago.

Yeah, you mean when he was in the interview saying that he wished that the left could just, you know, add a touch of contempt for Hamas. And wish the left could never stop thinking about October 7th. Right. What he said basically is, you know, he gets his whole sob story about how his family, you know, he lost family. in the Holocaust and that stuck with them so October 7th really hit home like guess what dude me too my mom's entire side was fucking wiped out in the Holocaust and you know I've experienced the last two years in a way shaped by that too and come to different conclusions but anyway what he's what he says is you know he acknowledges the terrible suffering of the Ghazan people now and he

even keeps two photos of Palestinian families that he met on him and blah, blah, blah. And then he says, you have to think that if the people who have come out and, you know, protested, and I forget the words he uses, but basically the people that have like spent all this time protesting Israel, if even 10% of that had been demanding that Hamas release the hostages, demanding that Hamas lay down its arms, you have to wonder where we'd be today. So he is quite literally saying maybe the protesters are the reason the genocide is going on. The ones who were right from the beginning, the ones who we were smearing when they were saying this is a campaign of extermination, maybe it's their fault that Israel's doing the thing that they

said that they were going to do. You're not like I'm saying I hate this like degree of separation that these people try to impose with the way they speak about this where you're like, oh, I can only imagine what it would have been like if public pressure had been a little bit more even keeled it's like you mean you were the guy you were the guy who was in power you were the holder of the leverage yes you tell us you tell us what would have been yes and i'm sorry but like again it's it's complete abdication of responsibility of taking that responsibility for it because you are saying damn if only people had been 10% more I don't know annoying about like if people had said release the hostages under uh you know uh as a quote suite of a wiggles music video the way people have been in the last like 22 months then maybe okay fine if if the protests against the genocide had also said all lives matter just a little bit like a small all lives matter section maybe I would uh I don't know come to an agreement but no

you're the fucking guy if not only the upper east side had been blanketed by release the hostages posters but also the east village right exactly exactly it just it just pisses me off actually Hamas said like you only see those posters on the upper west side

so there's not enough pressure on us that's right he's the hostages had we been putting them up in Brooklyn they might be free now we were looking in hell's kitchen and I guess we saw never know. Yeah, it is just, it's just such scumbag shit. And again, I say this with complete knowledge of the fact that, you know, Tommy Vitor is at least the one crooked media guy or I guess,

you know, pod save guy who has been good on this issue. But I can't like this fallback to like blaming the online left is just I'm so done with this mantra. It's so annoying. It's, it's, I mean, you have to like I hope this moment is coming I don't know when it will and I don't know how mainstream it will be but when when people look back at specifically like the student activists at Columbia and you know wherever else who's who said this is an emergency and we need to disrupt the status quo and treat it as an emergency and there there will come a time I hope when it is just conventional wisdom, they were right. They were absolutely right. This is an emergency. And if we don't all, you know, do what we can to, you know, throw things in the gears and

make them stop, they're going to try, they're going to exterminate everyone. And now we're seeing what it looks like when people don't listen to that. And yeah, I mean, it's just, I have nothing but contempt for for people who are now saying i mean like the the line on the on the right or even just on the pro-israel side is um well the problem is they spent all that time lying so it's hard to it's hard to believe them that anything now it's like okay you're right two months ago we were lying when we said famine was coming but now it is actually coming sorry we lied two months ago i know it's that's this This is good. Yeah, that Hesbar line is so insane to me. Like, who do you expect to buy this shit? Like, who is this? How dumb do you think people are that they're going to be like, oh, oh, no, it's because the whole time you kept saying that a famine was coming. And now a famine's here and people don't believe you. We said it was coming. What are we? Also, like, what? Also, do they think a famine is like an earthquake where it's like, it's not here? And then suddenly it's here. No, it's like, it's like, it's.

it's coming. You see it coming. Has anyone, have you ever been hungry? Do you remember what it feels like to be hungry? You start, you feel something and then like. Yeah.

And of course, the realities of the kind of hunger guys. I mean, there was a Greenwald on System Update did a great interview with Alex DeWall, who's like a leading famine expert, and he went into great detail about the physical components of,

of what starvation actually does to the body and what it's like and it's unimaginable. Anyway, I'm wondering, guys, if we might want to slightly pivot to another story that you've reported on. You know, Tommy Vietor is still being

not quite as bold as we want. He's being a little shy, and we want to talk about another little shy. It's this guy, and we're just going to play our favorite little bumper, even though,

well, I'm going to say this. Shy looks white to me, but this is what he said. Don't call me white. Don't call me white. We're not going to talk about his whiteness today, but I just love that. We have a few shy bumpers. I thought you were going to play this one.

Yeah, that's his main. That's his main. Yeah, yeah. We get a lot of, hush, hush, shy. We do a lot of great podcast, jazz. We're a very important podcast with a very good bumpers. I can't talk. I spent like two weeks reporting on this guy.

Yeah, I can't even imagine, man. So we want to talk about this for, I don't know, maybe 10, 15 minutes, and then we'll pivot to our last thing, at most. Because this is a live stream, you know what I'm going to say, Matt. You're going to live, watch me take a break to stream. I'm going to just go to the bathroom. Oh, you're going to go pee? Yeah, yeah. Okay.

If you need to, I'll hold down the point. No, yeah, yeah, I love it. Can you get this started with Jasper? I can do it. Let's talk about it. Well, he goes pee. We're going to talk a little bit about shy. So this was kind of an insane story.

Shy Devi Dai, friend of the pod, was finally after months of back and forth with his bosses, it looks like he has parted ways with Columbia University. And there was a little bit of controversy around what happened, why he left. Can you explain what happened with him in Columbia? Yeah. Do I need to explain who he is or does everybody already know? I'll give very... Yeah, yeah, you feel whatever you feel. Okay.

Shy Dobby-Dai was an assistant business school professor at Columbia, at Columbia School of Business. I think he taught marketing or something. And he became like the sort of face of the anti-student activist, anti-encampment movement he was like throwing actual temper tantrums um yeah well documented stomping his feet saying we are not okay yeah i mean i actually just acting like a toddler um but what he was also doing was i need to be careful and how i say this yeah he was reported what he was reportedly what he was reportedly doing was doxing and targeting and harassing students on Twitter.

He had decided were terror supporters and anti-Semites and this and that. So we're talking about 18-year-old girls, you know, teenagers, 20-somethings, Mahmoud Khalil, people like that. Right. He was, I mean, this he was definitively doing. I don't have to caveat this. He was constantly or regularly tweeting their names and calling them Hamas supporters and calling them terror supporters and calling them anti-Semites. He was saying things like they support the dismemberment of Jews.

And these students, I spoke to three of them for this story, had all in various ways, through public channels, through private channels, begged him to leave them alone. Like these were not, these were not people who were. were trying to be in the limelight. They were not, like, hoping to be in the middle of a controversy. Like they, one of the students, Layla, was she had 14 family members in Gaza killed. And she was protesting it.

And suddenly her face and her name was all over the internet because Davy Dai was putting it out there and accusing her of all these things. And so the students started getting death threats online. They were being confronted on campus. People would recognize them. them and having confrontations. And so they all went, or a lot of them went,

and filed complaints, harassment complaints at the Columbia's Office of Institutional Equity, is the body that oversees discriminatory harassment complaints. I probably need to go faster. Basically, like, nothing happens. He, well, he does at one point actually get temporarily suspended from campus,

because he reportedly was harassing school employees, not because of anything he did to the students. So he was like temporarily suspended from campus. But the investigation over his alleged harassment of students went on for almost two years with no results, no outcome. Oh wow, is that a romper that you're wearing, Daniel? It looks like he's wearing a romper. And he, well, it's my train of thought.

So basically what happens is, what happens is two, three weeks ago, he publishes a letter on Twitter that, and he announces that he's out of, he's left Columbia. He's decided to leave Columbia. And at the same time, he publishes this letter that he got from the office that says the investigation. concluded with no finding of wrongdoing. Right. Something like that. And at the same, on the same day, and I'm sorry for people who have heard, maybe like heard me explain this on Chapo already or whatever, but the same day, two of the students

published the letters that they got from the office that said the investigation concluded because he's no longer at the university. And so it was finished with no findings whatsoever. Right. So the language was like conspicuously different. His was written in an ambiguous way that gave him this sort of plausible explanation that there were no findings of wrongdoings because it's true. There were no findings of wrongdoings.

Right. What it didn't include was that there were no findings because they didn't finish the investigation somehow after almost two years they were not able to finish it. Members of the jury, have you come to a verdict? Yes, we have, Your Honor. In the matter of Shai Davidae versus the students he harassed, we find who gives a fucking shit, he's gone. Yeah, yeah, he left. It's all good.

And so anyway, I got on the case. I got on the shy case because I know, first I noticed that discrepancy. And I was like, well, which is it? There's two different stories here. And then I noticed a typo in the letterhead of the letter that Shai published. It said the office of the institutional. Yes. Instead of office of institutional equity, whereas the student's letter had spelled correctly. Yeah. And then the font size is different. The fonts were all, the color was wrong. So I was just like, did he forge his letter? Yeah. Which for you, you, I think from the gate, you said, so for the record, I just don't believe he could have possibly done something this

stupid. It just feels too stupid. I said, I don't think it's a, straightforward him forging it because that would be just like the legal you know legal ramifications of that are so enormous but something's up because how does a letterhead end up with a typo in it not in the letter in the you know the letterhead that is just sort of stamped on yeah so this is actually just a funny detail that I'll tell you guys right as I discovered this I was on my way to a bachelor party my friend Ben's bachelor's bachelor's party in Hudson, New York, and I actually was carpooling with Sam Cedar, which is kind of funny. And so this is unfolding in the car. And I'm like, Sam, look at this shit. They're like the

letterhead. And then I get to the bachelor party and like these friends are not plugged into the shy dovi-di-dive beat because they're not out of their fucking. Yeah, yeah, because they're normal people. And I was just like, blew to my phone and they're like, what are you doing? I was like, it looks like shy davidai forged his might have forged his letter and they're like and so i spent the whole weekend both like doing a bachelor party while like investigating this on my phone and and like at various points trying to explain the story to them trying to explain shy davidai to a group of normal people and in doing it i was like thinking wow how like how did i arrive here yeah what have i become not to cash any of spurses about what kind of bachelor party you're at but i'm just imagining a guy getting a lap dance and the guy next to him is like how like how did i arrive here yeah what's like like so did you hear about this shy david i think no it was more like it was more like we were in a in the pool drinking and um i'd be like on the side of the pool on my phone and like turning around and be like i just heard back from his lawyer and they would just be like yeah don't care dude don't care we're gonna play golf later i mean like they they did a couple a couple of the guys like one of them

was like okay you know what fuck it i'm i'm getting in this with you fill me in i'm gonna help you investigate. So that was cool. But anyway, so what ends up, what I end up finding out is that his letter was written by an external body outside of the office. I don't know if it was outside of the university or just outside of the office, but I confirmed through multiple sources that his letter was written elsewhere and then just sent back to the office where the vice provost signed it.

And then it was sent to Davy Dai, whereas the student's letter was actually written by the office. So I think the obvious thing this reveals is that, oh, sorry, and the university also confirmed that his claim of being cleared of wrongdoing is false. It's a false call. Wow. Wow. I can't say he's lying because maybe he thinks that it's true. Oh, I love that. That's the legal loophole. Is you going to get it? No, I know. I think lies all the time.

But what he's saying is false. It is not clear of wrongdoing. And so what I found out, I mean, basically like putting two and two together, it was almost certainly, and I'm speculating here, but like a negotiated exit because he had, you know, become like the figurehead for the, you know, anti-Semitism on campus. And so Columbia was very wary of like coming down too hard on him. So they let him leave, claim that it was mutual. And I don't know the truth behind.

that claim you know they gave him this letter that allowed him to claim that he was clear to wrongdoing and in doing so they were so sloppy that they accidentally revealed that like the whole thing was just orchestrated by people on the side wow that's it's just nuts that like the letterhead i mean so what this means is someone whoever is the one who drafted the letter was just like okay what is it supposed to say on the top i'm going to create the letterhead myself yeah and also like and and like when it gets back to the office in columbia for them to sign it they're so just like who the fuck they don't notice like not just a typo the letterhead just everything about it looks wrong right it's literally just like the colors off the font is off there's a typo it's like

and they couldn't be bothered to to notice it yeah because they were just so like get it out the door it's like an AI picture with six fingers you know like right yeah look it you just just look at it and you're like this was not generated by a human okay who care yeah what's his latest didn't he have some kind of epic rant i've got booted off my twitter account last week someone hacked it yeah i'm grateful that they haven't been posting cringe or porn from it but he do we have something from today yeah i mean he just posted this like ridiculous thread today which is actually just exactly what we were talking about earlier about how how people are like coming around yeah yeah he wrote this is like him

this is something that he does people should know he takes this tone of being very reasonable and humane he's not one of these crazies he's against batar he's you know right he doesn't believe that all palisinians are Hamas so he takes this really i mean classic just liberal yes we are going to get into we are going to get into this in detail in a moment okay and he uses that to sort of like you know build some armor so that he can then you know you know weed his vile nefarious campaigns yeah and it's a long yeah it's a long-standing tradition in in liberal zionism and he's left he's less liberal than yeah many but uh well because we we're we're running on limited time and i know that we have a couple things let's do i i would

like to let's pivot to west uh what's going on in the west bank yeah because you've been reporting a lot about that recently and we recently all i think you know witnessed a um a murder happen with the one of the people who helped no other land create the documentary no other land was recently murdered by a settler out there and and you know jasper you've written extensively about what's going on can you um yeah can you just fill us in into yeah uh masphraata which is the subject of no other land like you said is it's in the south hebron hills it's like a mountainous community and it's like various little villages

sort of like spread out and connected by roads I think there's like 19 villages and a couple thousand people and like in the 80s or something and they're shepherding people so they like they're shepherds they have livestock sheep and goats and that's how they've always gone by in the 80s I think

the Israeli government or the ideas called it, declared it like a military training zone. And in doing so, they, you know, built the legal permission structure to be able to demolish it and expel people. But there was a legal fight over it. Once upon a time, like it was possible to, you know, have some sort of like legal standing on these things. So there was a legal fight that lasted decades, I think.

Don't quote me on that. me on that. But like two years ago, I think, the fight ended. And basically, like, their complaint was dismissed, meaning like the military now had the right to go and demolish it. Simultaneously, I won't go into this in too much detail, but between October 7th and this change in the way the West Bank is governed, where Smotrich basically consolidated power to be able to make every single decision about what happens in the West Bank between those things. Settlers had already become much more emboldened to build settlements and raid Palestinian villages. And so, like, what people are seeing now, the increase in violent, in settler violence and things.

That started before October 7th. That increase started in February 23 when Smotrich came in and, like, just took control of the whole system and, like, instructed the police and the military to stop enforcing laws against settlers and all these things. So basically, like, no other land was filmed almost entirely before, or it was filmed entirely before October 7. Right. And it was about how, it was about how the Israeli civil administration, which is like a branch of the IDF, which oversees the West Bank,

was gradually knocking down their homes and, you know, taking over their land. and the settlers who live up the hill would come in and terrorize them. And then at the very end of that film, there's this video of this is on October 13, 2023. A guy, a group of settlers come down from the settlement, or no, it was not a settlement, it's an illegal outpost, come down from the top of the hill and just shoot a guy in the stomach from about a foot away. That was Zachariah Adra. who is Basel, people might know Basel from the film, no other one, his cousin. I went to Masaryata twice and spent a lot of time with Zachariah and with his family

and did some reporting on the effort to bring the guy to justice who did it, because it's on film. They know exactly who shot Zachariah. His name is Yitzhak Nir. His father was a convicted terrorist. he is like he's a very well-known figure there's no question about it they know exactly who it is and you know to make a long story short he was never held accountable and there was one point where they managed to drag him into court to it was to get what do you call it like some sort of a restraining order that would prevent him from being able to go back into the village and And the attorney who was present for him told me that the entire time he was, he was smiling. And so because I asked, this was actually at a time, this was like well over a year ago.

And at the time, I was, I didn't quite understand yet just how deeply rooted the evil is in every one of them. And so I asked, did it look like he felt any remorse, like knowing that he clearly shot an innocent guy? Or even like, did he look a little scared that me, he might get in trouble? and the attorney is like, oh, no, he was smiling the entire time. And so anyway, that guy walked free. So fast forward. Actually, fast forward to, you don't have to fast forward. At the exact same time, in July of 2024,

972 magazine publishes an article by, I don't know exactly how to pronounce it, but I think Odehathaline, who was a resident of Masfriata in a town called Umpere, who has four children and he's a teacher and he's an activist and he was part of the film The Otherland and he writes a piece I want to just read part of it if that's okay it's called Adam if you want to try to get it up on the screen

I tweeted this out like a couple hours ago but the piece is called In Um al-Kair the occupation is damning us to multi-generational trauma and he writes I saw the first bulldozers bulldozers arrive in my village 17 years ago. Now, after the most brutal weeks in our history, my son will carry similarly painful memories. And then just like a couple passages, he talks about how when he was a kid, he would see the bulldozers come in and it would terrify him. And now he

has his own children. He says, now as a parent myself, I've tried to shield my four-year-old son from this harsh reality as much as possible so that he will not have to carry the same memories that I did. But sometimes, no matter how good a father you are, there are things you cannot control and the past weeks have been some of the worst we've ever experienced and then later in the article he says he even talking about his son he even knows some of the settlers by name sometimes i tell him that they went to jail i'm lying but i want to make him feel safe but he still sees his grandmothers his cousins and his aunts collapsing on the ground in front of him it's a tough memory and i know that it will stick with him since the attacks my son has started stuttering

an entirely new symptom and one that terrifies me the doctor told us that the best treatment for for suffering is a safe environment. But this is what we cannot guarantee for our children. In Umal Khair, no one is in a safe place. And then at the very end, he says, why is the world not acting to achieve justice for Palestinians? Most of the time, we feel tired. The attacks, the raids, the demolitions,

we think about them all the time. I always say that I wish fate hadn't brought us to this point, but now we are stuck here. There's no way to leave. Okay. Wow. That village in the year between, when he wrote that almost exactly a year ago, July 2024,

was fully demolished. It was one of the first villages in Masfriata that they actually just wiped out. They took down either every single building or almost every single building. I actually don't know where those people are living now. I assume they've been sort of integrated into the other villages there,

but the settlement is now building a new neighborhood on top of where they were. And the people who, live there, are going out and trying to stop it. Yesterday, a group of settlers came into the village with a bulldozer, and a group of Palestinians came out, including Odeiathalee, whose piece I just read, come out to try to stop them. And there's video, which I'm sure a lot of people have seen.

First of all, the bulldozer swinging and hitting somebody in the chest or hitting somebody and knocking them unconscious. And I don't know that person's condition right now. And then there's a settler who you see confronting the crowd, waving a gun around. He looks like, he looks psychotically evil. Completely deranged. And then he just starts firing. And he shoots and kills O'Dathalie, the person who I just mentioned.

He shoots him in the chest and kills him. Yeah. And this was tweeted out by Yuval Abraham. when it happened. Basel's co-director. Yeah. And this was yesterday. This was tweeted out.

And Israeli settler just shot Odei Hadaline in the lungs, a remarkable activist who helped this film Northern Land in Masavar Yata residents identified Yanon Levy, sanctioned by the EU and US as the shooter. This is him in the video firing like crazy. And what is what I love, I mean, I hate everything about that but you know me word guy i've mentioned i think that the word sanctioned means two different things that are the opposite of each other oh right yeah yeah i think what yuvall is talking about there must be some kind of this guy is on some kind of list of dangerous no no he he was he was

sanctioned by so the the only good thing that biden did i just lost you i'm just talking to my desktop now but you can hear me right yeah we hear you the only good thing that biden did for the palestinians Was he sanctioned for these notoriously violent settlers? And at the time, I thought this is so insufficient. What a joke, which it is, obviously. But I was actually told by some people on the ground that it has actually, like, put a chill on some of the violent settlers. On Trump's first day in office, he removes the sanctions from them, including from this guy, the guy who just murdered Odette. And I want to just find Adam, can you go on to my Twitter account and or I'll just, I'll drop in the chat actually.

Yeah, yeah. Put it in the whatever link you want in the private chat and I can try and display it. Okay, sorry, I'm telling Adam to do things. Just you're running shit. Just to finish the thought, like the word sanctioned also means to permit something. And these settlers effectively by U.S. and U.K. policy are 100%. I don't care what individual, you know, opprobrium is sent to certain extremist individuals, the whole settler project, which, by the way, just a side note from your Chapo interview, the thing that stuck out to me the most, the thing you said, I just haven't been able to shake, is that these kids in the settlement outposts, what did you say about where they come from? from. Yeah, this is a story that was in Herretts a couple of weeks ago. When you see videos of

what, you know, we call the Hilltop Youth, which is like these young, you know, you know the videos because Will Menacher called them feral deputized street urchins. Yeah. They're just, you know, they're hideous, they're dirty, their hair, they're just like look like these little monsters. some of them were like basically street kids in Israel proper in the foster care system and the in the foster care system and the illegal outposts in the West Bank got themselves registered as foster home so they could adopt them yeah so they were adopting these foster kids from Israel and then deploying them to be uh terrorizing Palestinian villages taking the most traumatized disorganized psychologically and emotionally, rootless, directionless, chaotic, and unstable,

young, unformed, still forming individuals in Israeli society, which is the product of the Israeli state and the trauma that that state entails and imposes on everyone, including its own citizens, taking those kids and weaponizing their trauma against the Palestinians. It's a tale as old as, well, as old as Israel. I mean, that is, it's sickening because it's like, first of all, it's every, you know, it's child soldiers. It is, that's what that is. Yeah. And it's like, you know, at least like in Oliver Twist, at least Fagan was just like, steal some wallets. Like this is like stealing orphans so that you or having And it needs to be said that, it needs to be said that, like, these settlers, they look like maniacs and they look like, the attacks look random.

They're actually highly coordinated. Like, the settlers will target a specific village. And they'll, you know, say, okay, we're going to get these people out. They will build an outpost nearby. And then they'll send in the kids, sometimes adults too, of course. They'll send them in night after night after night to terrorize them to, you know, like. their land on fire to steal their livestock and in some cases the people then get up and leave and so it you know the settlers are actually organized and coordinated in their their method of

dispossession in partnership with the state who's backing them so the just that thing i wanted to show matt if you just pull up the photo um from that tweet this is so this is the guy who shot O'Day and yesterday yesterday this is a day later they brought him into court for you know a sham hearing which is what they do a police officer was there claiming that it was in self-defense a member of the Knesset showed up to support him and call him a hero and a pioneer of the national land and this is him smiling as he walks out of the court and is heading home so is he going to like house arrest or something like I think I think he was put under house arrest, which means literally nothing because he lives in illegal outpost.

Well, actually, sorry, I don't know if he lives in a settlement or an outpost, but like I will, I'll tell you, I'll tell you this. I will not be surprised if we see video in the next couple weeks of him back in Masfriata with a bulldozer. I think in all likelihood he will be back there soon. Maybe there will be enough international backlash that they'll tell him, just stay back for a little bit but but like look look at how relaxed he looks and happy like and he's going to return home to a hero's welcome and and what i have been saying is like people need to think about what it means for the people who live in masfriata who know that this psychopath who knows that he can kill with impunity is their next door neighbor yeah that's what zacharias family is living with the guy who

shot him and nearly killed him lives up the hill from them and and on a and on a more sort of long-term level you look at his face you look at his physiognomy he's not just their next-door neighbor but four generations ago he's there you know their grandparents are great-grandparents are living next to each other right in any number of you know arab Muslim societies I mean that that that's an arab right there that's an arab who's been convinced that he's in Israeli. That's an Arab Jew who's been convinced. Oh, is he? Is he Mizrahi? I think he is, yeah. I mean, you know, you see that all the time. And it's just the amount of, and maybe we need to get a, you know, psychologist or someone in to explain the kind of like the way in which the state

and the ideology of the state as like supplanted parenthood with a lot of these, you know, with a a lot of these settlers i mean obviously you know what you're talking about jasper with the uh you know it's very explicitly the point when you have uh orphans that you're doing this too but you just see it so much um you know i don't know as as this is a weird thing to say but as a dad sometimes i look at like these like terrorists like the hilltop boys and i go like where the fuck are the parents and that's a a stupid thing they don't in some cases they don't have have them but in other cases their parents are right there with them right exactly yeah i just want to say one more thing about the west bank before i have to jump uh what is happening in

gaza right now is i think like we can all agree one of if not the greatest atrocities we've ever witnessed um you know i'm not going to like say it's better or worse than the rwandan to genocide or something like that, but it at least certainly since I've been like old enough to pay attention to these things. It is the greatest atrocity I've witnessed, you know, one that obviously our tax dollars are supporting. Right. And we all should be directing our rage and anger at what is being done to Gaza. But you could take Gaza completely out of the picture. You could, you could say, you could just, let's say we go back to before October 7 and just say like, you know, they're, they're, They're being left alone for the most part.

There's a blockade, but whatever. Without Gaza in the picture, what's happening in the West Bank alone is one of the greatest geopolitical crimes I've ever witnessed. It is reason enough to send in peacekeepers and to sever all ties with the government that is supporting what is being done to the Palestinians there. And so it is hard to pay attention to what's happening in Gaza and pay attention to what's happening in the West Bank. and also like apparently there's stuff happening here in the united states too it's it's hard to

keep it all straight but i've heard that you know they're building an american gestapo and all these other things but i just want to like encourage people to um keep their eye on the west bank because it's it's getting worse and worse and the people like smotech know that people are not paying attention to it and there's no better window through which to do so at least in the world of independent media than your substack so i hope people will thank you will you know um we'll tune in we'll subscribe we'll support you because you're doing vital work and the way that you're able to keep your eye on so many things at once i know you say you can't cover it all but you have an incredibly capacious you know view screen that is a benefit to all of us so thank you for that and

thank you for joining us on this live stream yeah thank you for coming on yeah all right did is there or anything else did i miss anything i got two more minutes if we uh i mean you pretty much got it you know if you want to spend two more minutes uh you can uh sing a little parody song if you if you if you've thought of a way to you know do a bruce springsteen impression you can take this moment i'm very i'm very bad at impressions my friends all the all know this about me um you've tried no i mean why don't you just recite these words hey little girl is your daddy home has he gone and left you all alone i'm not going to even do that okay you know what i think i'm going to go all right okay bye jasper thanks for coming on oh man good man yeah uh he's he's he's really i mean he's

he's a great journalist a great guest and uh i mean truly very attractive man he gets my he gets my donate button lubricated that's for sure oh that got explicit we're talking about a lubricated button here I just want to shout out everyone who's been donating it we are Adam what are we at now okay so with the

chuffed link we are at that's English for Stoked oh is that what that means I thought I'm right chuffed like it means excited it means the whole time because like for me it's like when I ride a bike for too long and then your thighs get chuffed yeah and my thighs get chuffed um we're at 26 uh 000 365 pounds on chuffed we started at 18 um wow so we are

did we make another 8,000 that's wild and that's even without the super chats yeah and then you know we're getting close to 10,000 pounds my god um yeah let's keep going guys yeah let's keep going keep donating um You know, keep doing the, either the chuffed link or the super chats. We're getting all this money to the Gaza City Flower Fund that is doing a lot of great and necessary work. Shout out to Mosen and shout out to Harley, both heroes in my book. Matt, how much do you have in the tank in terms of fuel and time? I have about I have like less than 10 minutes because well then we'll save we'll save the article I wanted to show until Friday for our Patreon only episode yeah yeah yeah we'll save it for the the Patreon and I guess while we're here for the last few minutes maybe we read out some super chats is that yeah hell yeah that's a great that's what we should do right that's what people do and I think we we can access those if we click on starred oh yeah look at that see right next to live yeah and that goes all the way back to like

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We would love to do that. Thank you, Joseph, for your $5. Thank you to Colin Chepeka, getting one in early. Love y'all, free Palestine. And he did $5 Canadian. And then we have. A lot of Canadians in the chat today. Yeah.

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another canadian arms embargo now just put out a skating detailed report of how canada has been continuing to support Israel's genocide of the Palestinians. Barb, L.C., if you're still there, put in the chat a link to that so people can find it, okay? Yeah. Oh, man, we got a lot of these that we, I imagine we were displaying them on screen as the show is going on. Yeah, we are. Yeah, yeah. Okay, that's good.

But, you know, let's make sure everyone got a, everyone got a taste. Look at that, 100 from Kyle. We love you. Jules, 999. I love you. Carol. Yeah, yeah. Happy sober birthday, Matt.

Oh, thank you. 16 years, baby. 16 years, clean, sober. That's right. Malfuckas. No more drugs and alcohol for me. I dedicated my last big gulp-sized cup of lean to you when I, to your sobriety when I, when I was sipping it last night. When you're just sipping on lean.

I also want to explain, and I'm sure this was in bad faith, but some people were just, like you're sober look at your eyes motherfuckers i'm alert i'm allergic to everything and i i'm pretty sure i'm immune devising i can't help that my eyes look like this and you're the father of a toddler and you're you're tired you're not in your own your home city you're yeah but that's always i'm always my eyes are even when i'm at home uh people are like are you high no i'm not high My eyes are just red. For the last time, I'm not high. I've just been crying.

That's like that suicidal tendency songs. It's like, Mom, I just want a Pepsi. You're not giving you a Pepsi? You're on drugs. No, Mom, I'm not on drugs. I just want a Pepsi. All I wanted was a Pepsi. Thank you, Sparrowhawk, $30.

Thank you, Frida, $10. Lots of good puns. Yes, thank you, bye. We did that. Barb again. Thank you. That was a different one from Barb. Thank you.

Barb again. From more, double dip. Super sticker. Well, I don't know what it means, but thank you for $20. Robin Don. I think that people can purchase like special emojis or special like little graphics they can post. Oh, okay. I'm gonna try to do this as fast as possible.

I will shut up. Let's see. Marina. Marina. Yeah. Hadley. Who's doing the clicking? Every time I click, another one pops up.

Adam, are you doing the click? My hand. Hands up, don't shoot. Adam, do me a favor and control all the clicking. You start doing the clicking. I'll just read whatever you click. Okay. Come on.

His hands are up too. All right, fine. Okay. Adam. Frida, thank you for the $10. Barb, again, thank you for the $5, Canadian. Super sticker from Phase. are phazah his are uh haley 10 dollars thank you uh marina nemes 2 dollars people are really doing this uh morano 49 99 ron

there's ron nintendo days uh super sticker 99 cents that's good uh theago porto five dollars are russian um kaisuzzi uh canadian russian dollars matt what are the odds that the currency in russia is russian dollars all right to be honest i didn't think when i said it that will be 10 rusky bucks please yeah yes rubles i don't give it but okay mo gave us 4999 for gaza city flower fund uh ian wenger said $50 Canadian greetings from Daniel's most moral saltsman wanger cousins in Vancouver at Montreal. Viva la Felistine Libre. Beautiful. Thank you. Joseph George, $10. The British also starved India. True. Travis. Although Joseph George, I have to say your name sounds like it could have been the name of a British

general who stopped India. No offense. So Joseph George was known for his plunder of Hiberabad or whatever. Colono. Do they say colonel or do they say colonel out there? Lieutenant. Lieutenant Colonell. Lieutenant Colonel. Travis, five dollars.

Let's get these people some flour, Agent Fendon, $20. Super sticker, thank you. Space pilot perks. Yeah, SEC. I think that's Swedish Kroners, maybe. Yeah, yeah, yeah, like some sort of Swedish money. like swedish fish or something uh 499 from down with uh genocidal maniacs i like your username preston kroll 100 dollars i came to donate flower i did yeah i remember that joke rad mike

nine happy soberversory matt free palestine thank you rad mike uh rebecca wise ming uh salamander uh camera lander camerlander uh 20 dollars in europe money preston made me laugh so hard that money fell out of my purse maybe she means the billy preston album the oh yeah yeah yeah or maybe there was someone called breast to press in his chat brown buckaroo super sticker a hundred and 25 hammer and sickles what the fuck is that yeah yeah uh comrade bucks there's crazy symbols what is that shit uh uh yeah 50 that's like 50 wave dollars that's some planet on and or like that's fair ferricks money Yeah, so thank you for the credits.

Coe, Chloe, Chloe, K, 1999 pounds. Want me to read them, tired, boy? Do I sound that tired? Yeah, you're like, you're slow, you're like strained. You're getting them wrong. All right, you do it. I'm never good at reading. I know.

Nuteo Nouvea with 20 bucks. Keep up the good work, y'all. Thank you. Same to you. Pega, 119 euros. Merci. Pega, I just met a. See, now I can have fun.

exactly um that pegas suss uh love to the most moral co-hosts and the most morally moralized moralist chat hell yeah absolutely uh nico fuck israel iBR what is i br uh you kids every day you got new new abbreviation i and again 200 bucks canadian found some money on top of the bookshelf thanks a nice michael quinlin 10 euros gaza horrors foot soldiers i'm loving all these GHF funds yes georgina rullis maybe australian dollars five dollars uh may you take so i think that might be in maury or some language from down down under uh down with genocide maker again maniacs with 1999 thank you wow a g pl n 1199 keep up with the good work we will bad muazelle i love that handle canadian 2799 MSM says gaza is starving but something something

Matt changed to change it. I didn't change it. I'm not touching it. But Gaza is being starved. Yes, exactly. You're not starving. They're being starved. Jared 777.

Thank you, guys. Thank you, Jared, for the $4.99, 4999. Riz at 10 quid. Gaza, gross, or global hunger facilitators. Sorry if this posted twice, but then again, more money for Gaza. Hell yeah. That's right. Feel free to post twice.

Emmy. Goldheart, $5. dollars. Thank you. Emmy is a long time super fan. We love you, Emmy. Thanks. I hope it's not pronounced M because then I said Emmy a bunch. Either way, you do great work. I'm going to say M. M. Niko gave $13.12. Okay. I wonder if there's a significance to it. But thank you. He calls it the most moral string of numbers. No, all right. Let's see. You do it. You do it. You do it. Appie status. Just release the control. The podcast is in good hands. You just sit back and riff and vibe. It's all good. Everyone is safe. Everyone's good. Appy status. Five euros. Genocidal Hasbara front. Very good. Abdel Rachman, Harib, Egyptian, whatever you guys spend over there, hundred of those. Hearts from Egypt. Thank you. Magdalene. Canadian, $200. Thank you.

I wasn't allowed to write what I wanted. They won't let me send money. And I think she's got a little rebus there with those. Oh, yeah. I think that's a upside down triangle. We got a, that looks like a death symbol, too. And oh, yeah, I see what they're doing. Bobby villain.

Bobby villain agrees. We're doing a little bit of that and doing a little bit of Marg bar. Margarita Bar America is what you're trying to. Death to the GHF. Joseph George, again, sent. commander of the subcontinent, I apologize, Joseph, but I'm never going to let that go. The Conqueror of Bombay. I quit watching ContraPoint after her silly Radlib video against Revolution. We always support you ceasing, watching other content creators in favor of us.

Ahmed Abd al-Qadar, 200 bucks. Thank you, Ahmad. Thank you. Nico is right. hell is an op. Well, sure. Oh, yeah. We agree with that. Joseph George, one more time. I'm so sorry, Joseph, you're so great. But I can't resist it. Yes, I fired upon them. And no, I don't regret doing it. Also known as the plunderer of Punjab. Haley, T, $10, tell Israel to release the hostages. Deb Bush, $200. Thank you for your podcast and willingness to speak the truth. Thank you, Deb. Linkyji, 4999 in the pounds. Harley, I love you and I'm so proud of you. Thank you so much, everyone, for your amazing donations to the flower fund.

Yes, thank you. Papa Freud, another 4999 pounds, not to be outdone. Palestine, we see you, we cry for you, and you will be free from a survivor of the genocide against the Tutsi. Wow, thank you. That means a lot. Thank you. Roy Sheen Malone, I know that it's pronounced Roosheen because I met a couple of Roysheens when I was in Ireland, and they're both, of course, Palestine supporters. That's 10 euro right there from Ireland.

Thank you. Brundle Dan, Bulldoze Tel Aviv. That's a David Kronenberg, the fly reference. And I would know that even without your little picture. Remember Brundel Fly? Oh, I thought you meant bulldoze Tel Aviv. I was like, I need to see that movie. More like vomit, acidic fly guts onto Tel Aviv, which is like gold bill.

Zainab, 20 bucks Canadian. In Bismala, our Rahman al-Rachim, which is how the daily prayers start, right? Or one of them. Pega, thank you for the Euros, 60 almost. Zijad Jike Dejovich. No one mentioned that settlers are mostly severe psychiatric cases. We did, actually. Probably after you posted that.

Maybe, yeah, probably after, yeah. Joseph George again. The crusher of Kashmir. 10 bucks. It's like how Italian Americans and Irish Americans had to enforce white supremacy for decades before they got accepted by mainstream America as white. Yes, there's what I was saying about the Israelification of the Arab Jews. Marks and Angles.

I like that. 50 bucks Canadian. Resistance is justified when people are occupied. Yes. Ryan, oh, a hundred bucks, thank you. With a heart, thank you. Daniel Saunders, 50 bucks. Thank you for the Palestinian flag and the donation.

Renat, that could be an Israeli name. Thank you so much for the five bucks. Connie Kitty, $20. Hi guys, thank you so much for all you do. Free Palestine. And Israel, yell, yell, yeah, yeah. Carol, 20 euros, thank you. you I think you say 20 euro 20 euros is too many sandwiches in Canada when you

get drunk you don't say I drank six beers you say I drank six beer mm I didn't know that six yeah Bob and Doug McKenzie behind that if you listen to that out sure sure sure sir Rick Moranus yeah speaking of which when we were talking about stone at the you know how you said I thought stone could also be pence or pounds or right exactly I came up with a a very bad album title for a British alcoholic comedian or overweight alcoholic British chocolate, it'd be four stone and seven beers ago. Oh, I love it. I love it. Thank you.

Valgrind, 50 bucks, super sticker, thank you. Dwight, two bucks. I can't believe we haven't lost viewers. We're still at 640. I can't be that people are sitting and watching. People are sick around. They're just like, I just want to see them read the names. Get your super stickers in now before we stop. Thank you for doing this. Robin Donald, Donald, 10 bucks. Thanks for your humor. Seriously, nothing is serious as humor. Amen. Hadley, Sheffield, D-D-D to the IDF, five bucks. Thanks, S-H-K, five bucks. Thanks for keeping me up on where to donate for Gaza. Congrats on your sobriety, Matt. I'll have one for you

later. Oh, yeah, please. In my honor, everyone drink and drive home. Everyone drink and mistreat the people around you. Yeah. Pal Christian Anderson, Norwegian croners, I think. 200 bucks DJ Squared House 10 bucks I don't know how I would have held on in my sanity the last 22 months

without you guys barely hanging on thanks to you and all of your guests are speaking up P.S. watch the breaking points from today.

Oh, I'd rather Oh, breaking points. We need to have not confidence. We need to have Crystal Ball on. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Crystal Ball

if you can hear us. Look into yourself. Looking to yourself. Yeah. Teresa Hopkins. Two bucks. I donated $15 dollars to the Gaza Flower Fund. Thank you for the $17

total. Michael Shamesh, good Hebrew name. Shemesh means sun in Hebrew. Like the sun in the sky. 420. Oh, good number there. Oh, sick. For your sob. Passal sa. Passol's up. Hell yeah.

Bring, bing, bing, bing, bing bing bing bing bong. Yeah. From the river to the sea, use bring me sanity. Thank you, Mr. Sun, Mr. Golden Sun. truth teller more Norwegian 249 Norwegian woods thank you from the north of the polar circle Jasper gives me Norwegian wood you know what I'm saying hey boom boom boom boom boom boom boom you know what I mean Haley D shout out to Harley motion and the do not worry pot oh yeah shout out to do not worry

those guys. Who's the host of that we had on? Anthony Sargon. Yeah. Fubar, 1999 on the pound scale. Thanks for doing this podcast, boys. You keeping me sane and teaching me a buttloads, really a metric, a metric butloan imperial buttload has really been a silver lining in two shit years. Come to London. England, not Ontario. Oh, you don't have to specify, Fubar. There's no way we would voluntarily go to London, Ontario. Those Londonites can come to Toronto if they want to see this. ZD-G-R-O, Canadian 10. I came here to chew bubble gum and give flour,

and I'm all out of bubblegum. Mamut, snow-miao, 10 bucks. Swedish fish and chips, Palestine, shall, and will be free, inshallah. Thank you. F-D, Jan, 199.99.99. I've been asking this since the NOAA stream, but now that Daniel is here,

I am once again asking if we can get Gabor Mati to read us a bedtime story. Let me tell you something. Gabor Mate, for all of his quirks and complications, man, oh man, he told great bedtime stories. He had this running series with all three of us kids, and my sister is 13 years younger than me, called Percy and Siam about a parrot and an elephant

who live in the Budapest Zoo, and Siam eats watermelon mush, and they have all kinds of adventures with villains like the Aboloni brothers and the Babyloni brothers. He made up these things, these characters, these stories completely from his own imagination. And they were wonderful and hilarious. I would love to get a little bit of Percy and Siam, you know what I mean?

I don't know what you mean. Percy. It's actually pronounced Persai. All right. Well, guys, I'm tired. I mean, I don't know. Talk to Fran. I don't know what to tell you.

Percy. Hey, we want some Percy. Shout out to all the OG frock. podcast fans who know about Percy coffee money um we've got a a few more to read out I do have to put my child down I feel bad is there right three bucks free Palestine valgarine a hundred bucks thank you keep going near lift shits there's a fantastic Hebrew name what Ferrick's point credit Star Wars credits 200 thank you Brett Williams a buck thank you Malik manna thank you for the CHF 50

Lorraine, six euro, thank you. Rebecca, Wisbeg, Camerlinder, one more time, coming back for more, 20 euro, Carol, $50, $50,000, Amazing, 50 Euro, Joy H, $199, thank you. Zach Frank music, thanks for the 10 bucks. And that's it, that's everyone. Zach Frank got that under the wire.

Guys, we will announce how much we made in the super stickers and super chats, uh in the next episode and listen up if you're watching this on replay whether on youtube or this will go on our podcast feed right that's right yeah this will be on the least editing work that producer adams ever had to do he's so excited he gets the week somewhat off um because i'm not yeah we're not editing uh please don't don't decline to donate just because it's not live go donate just keep yeah keep piling on the flower bag yes yeah just because the stream ends doesn't mean that you shouldn't donate so please donate

wherever you can the link is going to be in the description and so you can donate at any point and share the link and tell everyone about it for a final total on that chuffed.org link it looks like we started at 18 and we're ending at 28,000 pounds plus Super Chats. I mean, so we've, we've added $10,000 in two hours to the Chup Link. Oh, way more than 10,000 because those are pounds. Oh, yeah, yeah, 10,000 pounds, which is however many dollars. At least, at least two stone. Oh, that's a lot of fish and chips.

So thank you guys so much for all your donations. And thank you to Jasper, Nathaniel, for coming on the pot again and talking with us about, you know, all this stuff. Yeah, we added another 2,000 pounds in the last few minutes, producer, Adam says. It is just super nuts. We're so stoked about it. Thank you, thank you guys all out there for listening. And we love you a bunch. Good luck in Seattle, Matt. Have great shows. It's going to be a lot of fun. If you're out and you're seeing me and my wife in Seattle, come say hi. Patreon.com slash badhasbarra. Badhasbarra at gmail.com for your questions. comments and concerns. All right, Daniel, let's end this from the river to the sea.

Gord, bless you all for your generosity. By Gord, I mean Gordon Lightfoot. Yeah, right? Yeah, first. Jumping jacks was us. Push-ups was us. Gopmaga us. All karate us. Taking Molly us.

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